Lerdge Main Boards - Install & Test - Chris's Basement
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 พ.ค. 2024
- In this one we take a look at the Lerdge line of mainboards. These are designed to be completely configured via the touch screen. Lets see how this is going to work out.
00:00 Intro
01:07 Overview
07:59 Install
13:08 Config
28:04 Test
30:46 PID tune
31:57 Sensorless homing
37:23 Getting ready to print
39:39 Set first layer height
41:53 Firmware update
43:31 Timelapse
44:41 Prints
47:38 Serial module for Octoprint
48:32 Conclusion
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1st time seeing this board, thank you for a very thorough intro and setup video, excellent production as usual from Chris.
Glad you liked it! Thank you
Great video Chris. Thanks. The pictures were a very nice bonus IMO!
lol, Glad you enjoyed it
great job, very well explained and by far the most complete install of any board I have seen yet...from start to finish..
Wow, thanks!
I love how detailed you are in your videos, even if I have no clue what you are talking about at the start of a video, I some how leave feeling like an expert.
Great to hear Jon, thanks for watching.
Very didactic, detailed and informative as always, thank you for your dedication to help and guide us to discover and understand different 3D printing stuff (sorry for my approximative english).
So nice of you, thanks for watching
Great video, Chris. Very interesting breakdown.
Thanks Ben!
I really love this channel. No bullshit, just pure information, i cant see the other channels anymore, where they spend more time to create a hyper modern clean setup and computer animations, instead of just delivering what we are here for. Well done sir. Also lol, President and CEO of your own Basement 🤣Send you a lot of respect from Frankfurt/Germany.
Thanks so much for the kind words.
Thanks fot your work! I`ve learn so much about 3d printing here!! Please make more in detail videos about this board!! Once more : Your channel rocks!!
Thanks! Will do!
Great walkthrough
Thanks for you using your time on an other approach
Thanks for sharing :-)
Thanks Asger!
Been looking at this board for almost a year. After seeing how nice the UI is and all of the built-in features, I think I'll go ahead and order one for my Anycubic Predator.
Great! Let us know what you think
Good review, concise and clear! Missed the detail where you enabled the second Z motor though, could be me lol
Thanks! Yeah, I left it set as default, it still worked, but I should have set it to 2209.
Chris is the toe tapper king. So smarts d classy and look at his basement! Awesome channel and a staple in the community. If jobs ever come back I want to send Patreon to my favorite channels.
Wow, thank you!
epic video and I loved the timelapse music!
Thanks!
This is a great solution for people like myself, who can't figure out what VSCode is.
Awesome to hear!
Thanks, Chris, I appreciate the comment. My K board took 6 weeks to arrive. I installed it yesterday. My end stops are NO, but I don’t think they’re working. Your info on how to plug them into the board may be a solution. I’ve ordered BTT 2209’s, v1.2 from Amazon based on Kelsey Fabrication’s videos about the Lerdge 2209’s. Then I watched your video , and saw you installing the jumper wires, but not the pins? Also, removing the 4 jumpers was a surprise. Kelsey didn’t say or show that? So there’s some confusion there. That’s for this video. And thanks again for commenting.
Super nice video Chris, not so sure this board is one I would but, have a very happy Thanksgiving take care and be safe
Thanks David, I hope you had a good Thanksgiving as well.
Hey Chris, another outstanding video. im kinda bummed about your amount of view mate. These videos deserve a lot more. You are ultra informative, cover almost everything, and I have a sneaky suspicion that other TH-camrs use your knowledge for their own videos. I have a video idea for you as well. The V1 engineering site had a "Low Rider CNC" available for makers. I had a Skr1.4Pro Board and 2209's Without sensorless homing (for the auto squaring function for the Z and Y-axis). I did end up getting everything functional but had a hell of a time setting it up and marlin to get those functions. Thank God for those videos on the Skr board you had and the tmc35v3e3. i would have been still trying to figure it out. While i was in Malin i noticed Spindle options as well as Lazer options. (I think the laser option would be better to program) My plans are to have a CNC that doubles as a laser engraver. Even an overview of those options would be a great help. Thanks for the help mate.
Thanks! I have never understood how the TH-cam works, but we do what we can. I have always wanted to do a CNC kit live the low rider, but have never had the time. I would be glad to go over the whole thing. We will see if I can get to something like this over the winter. Take care.
thanks Chris - just what I need to get started with my lerdge board; I want to make a side by side comparison with a btt skr 1.4 on the same printer
Let us know what you come up with. :)
Great educational video, as always. One question. Which leveling probe are You using on LOG?
Best Regards.
At the moment I am using a PINDA 1 probe from prusa. www.printedsolid.com/products/pinda-1-probe-replacement
@@ChrisRiley Thanks Chris. Best Regards
Thanks for this video. I have 2 Lerge boards waiting to go into 2 printers. I will gladly pay for proprietary if I do not have to waste a week of freetime trying to compile and program.
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Very good vídeo. I have a Lerdge X type in a Core XY from an artezanal brazilian manufacturer. Works great. Good prints and easy to change parameters. I liked, my focus is to printing and study modeling.
I'm glad your happy with it. Thanks for watching
I got burned when they dropped support for the Lerdge-S board with the last few software versions all having some combination of bugs. Including no thermal runout protection. So I helped the porting effort of Marlin to that board and now it runs with that. Which reminds me to test the latest TFT changes and push my code for switching the thermistor type.
That sucks they dropped it, but thanks for working on the port of Marlin for us! :)
Hey Chris, thanks for the cool video, have you already found out if you can use the extruder 1 output for the fan, or the output from the second extruder for a controlled fan?
Nice, I am glad it will work that way.
I've been watching this video, and working on my Lerdge K setup for about six hours how. Kudos to you for making such an in-depth video. I even managed to resurrect my Original BLTouch, and get it installed. So right now I'm trying to HOME my three axis. Here are my results using the settings you established with your setup: X-axis, Currently, it's at approximately 100mm. When I touch the Home X icon, the print head goes up about 10mm, it goes to the right about 20mm, and then it goes down about 10 mm. Y-axis, well, that's weird, the X-axis does the same thing again, and the Y-axis moves forwards (towards the front of the printer) about 10mm. For Z, this is even weirder: The X-axis goes up 10mm and goes to the right until it's pounding on the right tower, at which point I turned the printer off. While that disaster was happening, the Y-axis went all the way to the front of the printer. I think turning off the machine prevented the Y-axis from pounding on the front of the axis, but I'm not completely sure of that. ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
Thanks for watching the video, from the comments, it looks like your working through it.
Hi chris! Greate video! I buyed the same board for my ender 5 plus, but I am having trouble with the stepper temperatures. After some minutes they get to hot to touch them. I have tryied lowering the currents to 300mA and verified the reference voltage. Do you know if this is normal? Or should I change something else? Congrats for the good job!
Hello, thank you! That's doesn't sound normal. I would check the model numbers on your motors and try to get there specs. Most nema 17's should run around 800mA with no issues.
The lerge isn't for everyone. I have it on one of my printers, and honestly, it's a print and go.
But I don't see myself going for another lerdge printer in the future. They're not as fast as marlin in updating new features, and there was a time they messed up an update when linear advance equivalent was still new. Nevertheless, they offer polished standard features on the lcd screen and a good plug an play ecosystem.
Well said, I can see a use case for the setup.
For 4 years now I'm using the Lerdge board. I started with the "S" board and now today I have 3 K boards running. The service of Lerdge is what it is, but at least it is a lot better as the very poor one from Bigtreetech.
In general I'm very satisfied with the boards and the upgrades. For Delta's I'm not sure if they have already introduced auto-calibration, in the past that was missed in the firmware.
Thanks for the info on you experience with these.
Oh my god! I just homed X!!!!! Changing the mechanical endstop for X to Normally Closed worked!!!!!
Great!
Very through review. I agree with you that I would prefer a board that does not have proprietary firmware. Marlin seems to be the flavor of choice. Is their firmware open source?
Hey Dave, a while back I thought you could download their firmware and take a look, but now it appears they have taken it down. At least I can't find it.
So I'm confused. On the 2209's that come with the Lerdge K Board, stealth chop IS available without any soldering, any pins added to the stepper driver, and no jumper cables, right?
You only need the jumper if you want to use sensorless homing.
Did you change the 2nd Z motor to TMC2209 later or did Log run those motors with different settings? (Not that it should matter much in standalone)
Hey Magnus, yes I did change it over, but as you point out, I didn't see any difference.
Good work Chris question I installed the Bltouch to the board but when i trie to trigger nothing moves can you help?
Not sure on this, make sure servo angles match the degrees in the bltouch commands.
M280 P0 S260 ;reset.
M280 P0 S120 ;self test.
M280 P0 S90 ;stow probe pin.
M280 P0 S10 ;deploy probe pin.
I had a question for Chris Riley. With the x lerdge board I had to set the extrusion rate when printing at 400 every time is there a way to set that in structure or does the stepper have to be set at 480 or something? I want to set it up permanently .
Did you get this sorted? You wouldn't want to adjust extrusion rate every time, you want to update E steps and be done with it.
Would you know the stepper values for the ender 5pro with the 2208?
Sorry, I do not, I would assume start at around 7-800mhA.
Hello, I have been subscribed to you and watching all your videos. I have Lerdge-K board on Ender 5-plus. I installed the power control from Lerdge. Every times when it done printing it shutdown the power without cooling off the hotend first. I contact the Lerdge and they told me it fine on their end and it does cool off first before shutdown. Since it does not work on my, how do I insert the GCode to cool down first before shutdown the printer? I use the usb drive directly to print to the printer. Is there a way to insert the ending G-codes to do the cool down before shutdown. The Lerdge firmware does not allow this on the UI.
I'm not exactly sure how the board/firmware knows the print is done. In you end Gcode, try putting in a wait. Wait for like 1 minute to start out G4 S60
I bought this for my tevo little monster and everything went well until I tried to enable the Bltouch for "probe used for z-min" will not check or enable like in video. I'm' not sure if animation error, I'm going to go through config of firmware. Hope its fixable because this printer needs it and yes, worked fine before just wanted a less nosey printer that was faster. Any thoughts or ideas on what's going on?
I am hoping it's just the animation. I hope the lerdge supports the probe on delta, I am not sure ehy they wouldn't
@@ChrisRiley It's a animation error, not sure why or where in file but finally got it to work with prob and prints as good as before but sooo much faster and more quiet.
This is really cool, and it supports all the features I want, and its really easy to set up compared to the SKR, but what if future features arent supported? The closed source is meh.
It feels close.
The duet has all the cable crimping which is a pain, and that large price but includes wifi, but then the SKR boards just seem like the best value with upgradable open firmware where even with a raspberry pi they are still significantly less than a duet.
Yeah, that's the kicker, they do update the firmware from time to time, but I am not sure how quick they are to add features. You are right, it's close, but maybe doesn't cover everything.
I have no voltage on sink fan and also mb fan and no spin. Is there way to turn on or it should spin permanently?
I think those fans only come on with the hotend heater is active.
Hi Chris I see you made the jumper cables for sensorless homing for X must this be made also for Y ???
Correct, yes you do.
I'd like to see this same video done for both the Delta and CoreXY builds using that board. Those two types seem to have very few walkthroughs online for any board. Especially the Delta. I think you can count on one hand how many guides there are for the Delta, in English anyways. At least from what I have found. I haive seen a few in other languages but I don't count them.
Anyways... Most of what I have learned from those two types of printers has been self taught so I know there is still a lot I can learn for them. It's just a matter of finding the info on them. :)
A great suggestion, I will see what I can do.
Lerdge vs standard Marlin is like Apple vs Android in smartphones. I have a Lerdge X in my corexy printer for almost 2 years now, and i like how convenient it is. It has 2 key selling features that Marlin based boards did not have back then: Print from USB thumb drive, and the Auto-Power OFF after the print completed(it needs the power subboard).
That's a good way to look at it.
How did you figure out that the ORANGE wire from the BLTouch goes to the BROWN PIN on the left side of the SERVO SOCKET? As far as I can tell, the color chart does not have a BROWN CODE?
I just looked up what the pin were assigned to. Brown ground, red vcc, orange signal.
Can any of those current 3d printer boards like this one or a SKR be used on a K40 laser cutter (the board that comes with them is atrocious)? I don't think I've seen someone do that
Makerbase MKS SBase 1.3 is one board commonly used on k40s. They support GRBL which then lets you use lightburn as your software.
@@Section59. That's exactly the goal. I can't seem to find a video of anyone actually doing that. I know that you can install a Cohesion3d laser board as a direct replacement but those are more expensive than the k40 itself
I am not sure what boards are compatible with K40's, I don't have any experience with lasers yet.
So, here's my update. 1. I rebuilt the 3 endstops. Now they're one wire to C, the other wire to NC. I got that information from a Smoothieware article. On the Lerdge K board, I'm using the two outside pins. 2. I'm using the latest firmware circa 8-22-22, and I'm wondering what's going on with PID Tuning. I'm not seeing a "DONE" message, but the new values are appearing on the screen after I x-out of the PID window? 3. I got my ORIGINAL BLTouch to do it's initial dance. Frankly, I'm scared of HOMING the axis because of all the pounding I listened to yesterday. 4. I've got a fan over the board for some extra cooling. I've seen it come on, but I have no idea what's controlling it. I've also seen the hotend fan come on, but I'm assuming it works from the thermistor telling it to? I can't verify that, however. 5. I've noticed that all of the videos about the K board are old, like at least 9 months ago, but most are a year or two or three. That's a youtube problem; they should delete all these irrelevant videos? 6. This board is reminding me of the Duet board I tried to get going, a lot, and that isn't a good memory. 7. I'm going to focus on the end of this video today, because you get into senseless homing, and I would like to see if I can make that work. 8. I tried using a ground off the hot end socket plus my tester on the first 2209 to see what it's set at. The numbers I saw were crazy no matter what setting on my meter I used?????
Looks like you're still making progress.
I installed the x lerdge board on my ender 5. It worked ok. But I would like to know how to set it up perfectly?
I think that is the main downside, not enough knobs to turn to get it dialed in.
@@ChrisRiley I had a question for Chris Riley. With the x lerdge board I had to set the extrusion rate when printing at 400 every time is there a way to set that in structure or does the stepper have to be set at 480 or something? I want to set it up permanently .
I also had a bad motor.lol
I'm watching this video again because I want to understand how you delt with the endstop, specifically how you plugged them into the board.
Thanks for watching!
How can I do double Z with double Z limit swich (separate endstop for every Z motor)?
It's a feature, you can just turn it on in configuration_adv.h
@@ChrisRiley configuration_adv.h as in Marlin? Or does the Lerdge board actually save configuration.h and configuration_adv.h files to the SD card?
@@anthonyrich1592 Ha, I didn't realize this was a comment on Lerdge until now. Yes, you can use the second endstop on this board, it is selectable under the EX menu I show in the video.
The SKR print looks noticeably better to me but maybe it's lighting or camera angle.
Could be the camera, they are different, but both have some issues.
I'd LOVE to see a short video on how you set the DIP switches on the Octopus Pro board to use a PT100/PT1000 Temp sensor. The switch is sooooo small I am having a very hard time physically setting the switches. I know that it is 1 ON 2 ON, 3 OFF, 4 ON for my setup. But again physically setting the switches is nearly impossible. Maybe if you have 2020 vision and a microscope you can do it.
Thanks for the idea!
Okay, I unlocked my steppers, and moved Z to zero plus a sheet of A4 paper. Then I HOMED the printer. X was fine, Y was fine, but Z came down from 90, and tried to go through the bed. So I'm close, but I need to work on the settings for Z some more. At this point, I'm feeling like the LERDGE BOARD is a lot smarter than I thought it was, and it may actually work once I understand what it's asking me to enter into it's settings.
Hopefully, changing the Z stop setting solved this.
to be honest the propriety firm ware is not such a big issue it is a really well thought out firmware and i prefer it to marlin it has a lot of potential and you can set everything up via the screen so it is better than complicated compiling of marlin and everything you can do with marlin is there in the lerdge firmware the lerdge firmware is a big win for me i love it i have the lerdge k board and its fantastic and people need to give it a chance to me it wipes the floor with skr boards
Great to hear, I don't see a lot of people using these. Good to hear something from someone with perspective.
Well, 2 out of 3 isn't horrible. The Z axis went up. The print head / x-axis went to the left, and homed itself, and then the Z axis went up again. So Z-hoome is at about 180mm's.
Probably a logic issue on the Z stop.
Yes, on price you can get the BTT Octopus Pro board for around $80. I will have to check, But I don't think you can do Senseless homing, etc from the touch screen. I have the BTT TFT35 E3 touch screen. With the recent Marlin update 2.1.2 and the latest Touchscreen update I can finally use the touch screen. That's what I did not like with Marlin and the BTT board was that all or most of the advanced features just did not work. Example: I am using a EZABL Sensor because I could not get the ANTec Bltouch to operate. And I still can not get E0 on my BTT board to operate. So I am using E1. But the main thing is I think Marlin just did not support or work correctly with the BTT advanced features. All Older features seem to work fine. BTT needs to do more testing before releasing their boards to make sure all the features work.
Thanks!
Hi Chris i got a issue with my K board on the TFT i have a blue screen with a message find no App for Bootloader how do I fix this please
That don't sound good. I am not sure how you would resolve it, sound like the firmware is out of wack. Not sure how to reset it without the screen.
@@ChrisRiley you have contact to lerdge store i think ,would this be great to ask them about this fault on the K board and when you got the answer you can make a video so everybody who got this fault can perhaps solve this too
The update was working without problems When I tried to do a update with Force 4.2.0 it did not work and with the new 4.3.1 on first try Thank you very much
both boards now have marlin support and you can flash marlin on them if you want
Cool, thanks!
I was with you riiiiiight up till the part you said there was no noticeable difference between those two test parts. The SKR part looks better on the hexagon, on every side.
I don't even remember how this went down at this point.
@@ChrisRiley it's cool man, I enjoy your videos. It just seemed kinda funny, I'm 80% blind (past legally blind), and I use a 52" plasma tv as a computer monitor. I just assume everyone sees things better than I do. But you put the parts up side by side and said which was which and it just seemed very clear to me that they both had issues, but the one was way smoother than the other. It was just funny cuz you said something like "these two are basically the same" (or whatever) and I was like... wat O.o nuh-uh.
Just got my second printer last week! It has become all I do all day. Nice to have something I can do without worrying about cutting fingers off or having to leave the house. :)
I will try to leave positive comments more often.
My 3dtouch deploys but didn't stop the bed from moving. Help?
Check the wiring again, make sure the endstop trigger pin is correct.
@@ChrisRiley it is set up exactly like yours. All wires have been checked many many times over the past 2 weeks.
chriss why is there four wire for the bed?
It should be 2 for power and 2 for the thermistor.
Can you see using this on a prusa?
You could, but probably not the best choice, you will loose some features.
Can you use the USB 2.0 port built into the board to connect to Octoprint, instead of having to put on the USB-B module? EDIT: Nevermind, I looked at the schematic and see that it's not USB 2.0, it's actually a "U-Disk" port.... whatever that is. You'd think they'd have some kind of USB port built into the board by default...
Glad you found it. I wasn't sure.
hello friend , I need software PC to convert STL file to G-code fit with lerdge-X board . I use CoreXY printer
I don't know of a config that will work for your printer, I use Prusa Slicer.
Not a bad option for those of us who hate digging through code.
Agreed.
I just homed Y!
Awesome!
Hi my hero you tuber like allways good work I did the installation on my Creality Ender5 printer and everything seems allright until i tried to make a Testprint the hotend bumps the endswitches when the Test should beginn the Motors scream like mad it is like the print goes the wrong way made the slicing in cura for your help a coffee is paid
Thanks for the coffee! So there could be a lot of things going on here. Which board are you using? What drivers? Make sure you have step/dir type drivers and you have the steps set correctly.
Have you installed the wify?
Not yet, haven't tried it.
@@ChrisRiley
Thanks anyways. What about the Bltouch?
@@customsrusprincalifornia2284 Nope, but IR sensor works fine, bltouch should as well.
Well, yeah, it's a wreck. I was searching through all of the settings, looking for something; I don't know what. The thing is: I don't understand HIG, LOW, MIN, MAX. Those are printing words. They mean something, but I don't know what that is. I ended up on the Auto-leveling page. So I told the X-axis to go to the center of the bed. Instead, it went towards the left tower, and pounded on it until I turned the printer off. So, I guess that means my mechanical end-stops are messed up. HOW SHOULD THEY BE WIRED AND DESCRIBED IN THE LERDGE INTERFACE?????
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Think in Marlin, must think in Marlin
lol, how true.
I just want to comment that I like the print music compared to most channels with the obnoxious techno etc.
Thanks! Glad you like the music choice. We try to mix it up.
does not ex have tmc2209 hmm ;) :D
It does, I have failed. lol
@@ChrisRiley i waited and waited and u never changed it so i just had to ;) :D
Anschließen, einstellen und drucken.
Marlin - anschließen, einstellen , stundenlang lesen und wenn man Glück hat funtioniert es am Ende
Das ist lustig. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Vielen Dank, dass Sie sich unsere Videos angesehen haben.
Well, the BLTouch isn't doing it's dance, so I guess that's messed up two. This is almost as bad as my so-called experience with the Duet board two months ago. Nothing like writing a 1000 posts and getting nowhere because no one would tell the truth, I guess.
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Most newer boards can't match RAMPS for servo ports ; Going Backwards technology
Yeah, but what do you use them for?
@@ChrisRiley Nozzle cleaner wiper improved. Servo driven. 3D Printing (One example)
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Log is looking awesome! What is that blue filament you used? Here's my i3 MK2S clone I built, inspired by your Log project/channel! th-cam.com/video/uEHn1uvv8fk/w-d-xo.html
Very nice! That is filament PM transparent blue ABS, not sure you can still get it.
hey cuz ....... yunno this techno stuff doesnt even scare me anymore ....... piece-o-cake ..... heck i downloaded an app to my phone last week all by myself ...... well ............ with very little help ....... all i had to do was get a friend, well a friends 7 year old daughter, to open google on my phone, find the site, i did download it but i let her have the honor of installing it ........ but i did everything else ..... after all it was my phone
lol, well done Brian.
Ugh lerdge is garbage. Poorly documented closed firmware. Support messages go unanswered and forced to use Facebook groups.
My one printer has never been consistent since this lerdge board has been installed and have to constantly tinker with it. No more! Picked up 5 skr boards to fix this and to build two vorons.
Sorry to hear that about Lerdge.
@@Lerdge3D i have and was told they never received one. I pulled the email off their site and used yahoo. Also tried the support request on the site.
Funny enough the skr board is running perfect. I tired to use a simple setup but wasted time, money, and lots of spools. Bad board? No idea but it’s in the electronics garbage box for what ever