As a blind shooter, I listen to the bow more than anything, and the one thing I've noticed about Grozer bows, they have a unique solid sound to them, once you find the right arrows, and this bow is no different to any other Grozer bow, that to me suggests quality. Many other manufacturers you can hear the difference from one model to the next, with Grozer, you do not.
Thats super interesting. I also always listened closely to the Sound, Its Kind of the only indicator to look "inside" the bow. I also Like the silent Sound of Bogars assyrian for example. But Its true, grozers has a super solid Sound!!!
I was referring to the "Bogar" Assyrian bow, not grozer. But you are for sure right with the rest. 😉One day i would like to have a grozer as well, now i can just tell from the Vídeos.
I've noticed that all of Grozer bows are especially loud like a "pop noise". Hurts the ears a bit and I'm not even shooting it. I like a solid tong not a pop sound. To me it always seems like the arrows are too light but the sound doesnt change
While reading some history on Carpathian Valley bowyers, I stumbled across an archeological find from 1920+/- . It was grave sites from the 10th century and contained the remains of some Hungarian bows. The riser section and siyah inlays survived. For me, this answered why Grózer's "tips" are so big beyond the string groove. It appears he was replicating or inspired by this historical find. Just thought I would share. I found it very interesting. I'm loving every review!
I‘m a Grózer Biocomposite Bow fan girl - these bows are all fabulous! 🥰 The square handle hurt my small hand a little, so I have wrapped the lower section of the handle. No hurts anymore ☺️ Thank you so much for the very nice review, Armin! ☺️🙏
One of my archery dreams is to own a Grozer bows, they just seem like mastcraft. That looks like a beast of a bow. Just rough but in a primal yet gorgeous way Great video as always Armin.
Lieber Armin, Du bist es schuld! Ich bin von Deiner Begeisterungsfähigkeit so überzeugt, dass ich gerade einen 41lbs-Bogen bei Grózer bestellt habe. Danke für Deine tollen Präsentationen/ Tests. Viel Spaß in Österreich, auch wenn Malta deutlich die bessere Länderoption ist… 🙂
Hungarian bows are always incredibly accurate I find. I had a cheaper fibreglass Hungarian model for many years, almost like a centre shot, almost no deflection or deviation from left to right. Similarly with Kassai fibreglass I've used. This is a Hungarian bow I've wanted to get for some time! I've noticed that all the models I've used/seen also have the extra length on the siyah, and they tend to get very thin. I think it's part of the Hungarian design, not sure what purpose it serves other than being more aerodynamic than a cut siyah, so the air wil smoothly move around it; the difference would be minimal though.
I own a Hungarian biocomposite with 39 LBS at 28“. Beautifully built, very smooth draw, great to shoot. I own many bows, so I always need some time to get used to the squarish handle. Considering shipping and taxes when ordering bows from outside Europe, in my opnion outstanding price/value.
yay, you nailed the pronounciation of his name, its said exactly that way! Also, his "extra3", biocomposite and most of fiberglass bows are based on original findings, so that waste material at the end of siyahs are historically accurate. On the other hand, his normal laminated bows are sport bows, way lesser waste mass anywhere.
Thanks Armin, I needed that...lightness of this review gave me a mood adjustment. 😣 to 😁 That Groszer bow sure is pretty, this one speaks to me. Uh oh...$$$
Great review sir and I'm pretty sure the tips/sides were horn reinforced too prevent warping during weather changes when these bows were used for war. A Style now I guess
Hi Armin, I'm curious, as I knew the draw weight could floating in different season on horn bow but laminated bow are not. How about biocomposite bow, is more like laminated bow or horn bow?
Hello armin, i receive this bow today. But it's 56 pounds. It's so hard to put the string on, i'm so scared to broke it. I already had a grozer bow (55pounds fiberglass trukish). But idk if i'm not use anymore but i can't string it ! do you now if a technique like yemen (with a rope) it's a good idea ? I never be a fan of classic stringing im si scared of broke the bow.
The first Grozer I bought 2005, a Hun standard 50lbs. Later a laminated Assyrian, then the Hungarian you showed, a Hun Extra 3 (the original technic with fish glue) unfortunately with 60lbs, and a bio-Turkish with 35lbs. The best is definitively the laminated (not Bio-) Assyrian, followed by the nice Turk. The Hun is standard, not good, not bad, but nice to carry arround in the woods. I also had an early crimean tatar, but sadly it broke. Maybe one day, I will try to get an Assyrian Extra 3. All in all Grozer bows are great, very authentic and of good quality. I like them. :-)
Hi Armin! Thanks for another great review! i was actually looking at buying the short hungarian recently! Could you tell me, what is that thumb draw glove you are using?
That is down right a beautiful bow !! I'm drawin to the horn on the belly side.. Bow looks like such a super smooth shooter !. Do you know if there sold here in the states ?. Bow like this needs to be on my want list. Great review my friend Cody
I’ve seen you draw ~45 lb bows and this one seems easier for you than most other ones. It seems to draw very smoothly, yet pack some punch - like a good weapon.
Question about the arrowpass Overtime would the arrowpass become scratched by arrows in the release? Could this damage the bow? How could you prevent this? Im assuming you could stick some leather on
@@wannabearcher5680 If you're wary of a scratched arrowpass, you could always tape it down. Personally I use hockey tape but at the range I saw some ppl use masking tape too.
If you don't want to damage your bow (because bows like these are not only good for shooting but they are also ''exhibition piece''). Use paper tape for arrowpass during shooting and then you can easily take it off so it will not damage looks...
I'm trying to figure out if I should get one of these because I love the look. I'm tall with a long draw though, like 32" with a Mediterranean draw, and that seems like the max draw.
Hello Armin, I just ordered this exact bow from Grozer (although at 46 pounds at 28 inches) and have been wracking my brain on what arrows to get. I'm still quite new to archery and have a lot of trouble matching bows and arrows and was wondering if you had any arrow suggestions for this now. Thanks in advance, excellent video as always :D
HI. As mentioned, I would go with 10gpp. See what your bow is doing at your full draw, then get arrows with 10gpp for it. Can be wood, carbon, bamboo. Does notmatter :) enjoy shooting
My next bow will be a Grozer bio composite for sure. Everyone loves them 😁 How would you compare these bio composite bows to laminated ones? Which do you think shoots smother?
Great review. I am serously thinking about buying Grozer's bow, just can't decide which one. Assyrian BIO or Hungarian BIO... I have huge dilema :D I am shoting just for few months so I considef myself a beginner. Should I consider this into my choice between mentioned bows ?
After I used it in almost all my videos since 3 years, TH-cam thinks now that it’s not royalty free music. I had to fight a few times now already, but they just don’t accept that it’s free music from my editing software. So I either need to mute it or simply use another one
I want to know what the pound range is for this bow... I'm really liking it... It's beautiful... But what lbs can it be made with... Even if it costs a bit more???
@@ArminHirmer oh. I missed... Sorry sir... Thank you... This bow is soooo beautiful... If I got a 60.. or 65 lb... It would be my bow for years and years.. I love how thick it looks .... Stout... Like it's actually got material to it
Easy. I shoot my Assyrian biocomposite under rain for 3 hours, and it took a toll on the sinew wrappings under the nocks and where the limb meets the siah. The sinew became soft, kind of gelly and lost a bit of its shape. I had to comb the wrapping and dry them afterwards. Also on the side of the bottom limb, the sinew became soft and it's not smooth anymore. Bow still works great, but I'm not shooting the Assyrian in wet weather again.
Absolutely gorgeous bow, and another top notch review. Honor is due, to the archer and the bowyer! I find it interesting that, like the Chinese bows with very large siyahs, the traditional Hungarian (Magyar?) bows seem to be intended for throwing comparatively heavy arrows at moderate speeds. Were the Magyars traditionally in conflict with people who fought in armor? If so, who...Bohemia? Holy Roman Empire/Austria? Turkey?
If my history class memories are correct (might not be, it was a long time ago 😃 ), when the nomadic tribes of huns and magors entered the carpathian basin, they started a sort of conquest period where they initiated circa 50 campaigns in the surrounding regions. This period is called adventuring in hungarian, but let's be real here they were raids, the name is just way of not portraying our ancestors as assholes 😅 But I digress, one of the major campaigns was an intervention between the Byzantine Empire and the Bulgarians on behalf of the latter one. Soo yeah you could say we were in conflict with more heavily armored armies.
Morning Sir, I am new to archery & recurve bows. Would you reccomend a nice bow that wont break the bank ? I would be willing spend $400 US. dollars.... thank you
I would spend not that much for my fist bow and get something light weight, to learn technique and form. Later I would get something more fancy. Still it depends which style you wasn't to shoot, what draw length you need, which design you like in which environment you live
Rob. Buy akosbow :] short hungarian, or long hungarian, depending on your taste U will love it.. I bought one from him, just for 120£ to the UK including delivery.
They look and feel very good, their performance is how ever lacking, good bowyers make wooden self bows faster than these, but you don't buy these for their performance anyway, but for the horn bow look, without spending horn bow money. They have had lots of delamination issues tough, grozer says that has been taken care of, but my grozer biocomposite still has one side the "horn" becoming to delaminate, but nothing serious thus far, it still works and shows no signs of getting worse.
@@agamagreen i don't remember, maybe around 2017, but it has the horn color that starts black and changes white towards the outer limb, most of the horn length is black. When grozer him self wrote about the delamination issues in facebook atarn croup, he put pictures of the old and the problem fixed version, and mine was the later. I don't know if those bows have had even more resent update.
@@agamagreen good luck with them, maybe always remembering to unstring after use will help keeping them intact. Maybe even use a stringer or waist cable to string them, step tru method always has little sideways torque.
biocomposite is such a weird term to use. I always saw the stuff with fiberglass as being modern reproductions, and bows made with horn, wood and sinew as being a "hornbow". Using that term for stuff made out of glass and wood laminations seems strange, just like how those modern longbows are called "traditional" even though they are anything but. what is traditonal about using materials that were invented many centuries after these bows were?
Armin No doubt that u are a way better archer than me, but u do something wrong, you shouldn't grip the horn when you set up the bow. You only need to hold your hand under and push. If u grip the horn, u risk twisting :D
As a blind shooter, I listen to the bow more than anything, and the one thing I've noticed about Grozer bows, they have a unique solid sound to them, once you find the right arrows, and this bow is no different to any other Grozer bow, that to me suggests quality. Many other manufacturers you can hear the difference from one model to the next, with Grozer, you do not.
true that
Thats super interesting. I also always listened closely to the Sound, Its Kind of the only indicator to look "inside" the bow. I also Like the silent Sound of Bogars assyrian for example.
But Its true, grozers has a super solid Sound!!!
I was referring to the "Bogar" Assyrian bow, not grozer. But you are for sure right with the rest. 😉One day i would like to have a grozer as well, now i can just tell from the Vídeos.
I've noticed that all of Grozer bows are especially loud like a "pop noise". Hurts the ears a bit and I'm not even shooting it. I like a solid tong not a pop sound. To me it always seems like the arrows are too light but the sound doesnt change
While reading some history on Carpathian Valley bowyers, I stumbled across an archeological find from 1920+/- . It was grave sites from the 10th century and contained the remains of some Hungarian bows. The riser section and siyah inlays survived. For me, this answered why Grózer's "tips" are so big beyond the string groove. It appears he was replicating or inspired by this historical find. Just thought I would share. I found it very interesting. I'm loving every review!
I‘m a Grózer Biocomposite Bow fan girl - these bows are all fabulous! 🥰
The square handle hurt my small hand a little, so I have wrapped the lower section of the handle. No hurts anymore ☺️
Thank you so much for the very nice review, Armin! ☺️🙏
What can I say another beautiful bow by Grozer again. His finishing is impeccable 👌. Thanks for another great review as usual my friend.
One of my archery dreams is to own a Grozer bows, they just seem like mastcraft. That looks like a beast of a bow. Just rough but in a primal yet gorgeous way
Great video as always Armin.
Lieber Armin, Du bist es schuld! Ich bin von Deiner Begeisterungsfähigkeit so überzeugt, dass ich gerade einen 41lbs-Bogen bei Grózer bestellt habe. Danke für Deine tollen Präsentationen/ Tests. Viel Spaß in Österreich, auch wenn Malta deutlich die bessere Länderoption ist… 🙂
Hungarian bows are always incredibly accurate I find. I had a cheaper fibreglass Hungarian model for many years, almost like a centre shot, almost no deflection or deviation from left to right. Similarly with Kassai fibreglass I've used. This is a Hungarian bow I've wanted to get for some time!
I've noticed that all the models I've used/seen also have the extra length on the siyah, and they tend to get very thin. I think it's part of the Hungarian design, not sure what purpose it serves other than being more aerodynamic than a cut siyah, so the air wil smoothly move around it; the difference would be minimal though.
That’s a magnificent looking bow, I really like how well it shoots and looks
I want a shirt with your face on it, that says “it’s a pretty bow.” You say it often, and I love it. 👍
hahaha let me think about it :D
Another one saying "Ooostra!"
Oh wow
Those pics in the beginning... It's looking sooooo beautiful
Is not my favorite design but for sure is a nice bow. Thanks for the Review. Keep having fun Armin 😀
The background @ 6:40 looks gorgeous, looks like a golden temple of an legacy inka city with the moon in the center. Great Cinematic Art.
haha thank you, just the sun setting on the other side :)
I own a Hungarian biocomposite with 39 LBS at 28“. Beautifully built, very smooth draw, great to shoot. I own many bows, so I always need some time to get used to the squarish handle. Considering shipping and taxes when ordering bows from outside Europe, in my opnion outstanding price/value.
Guaranteed quality Groze :-) Nice review, made my afternoon 🙂
happy to hear that
yay, you nailed the pronounciation of his name, its said exactly that way! Also, his "extra3", biocomposite and most of fiberglass bows are based on original findings, so that waste material at the end of siyahs are historically accurate. On the other hand, his normal laminated bows are sport bows, way lesser waste mass anywhere.
do my best :) thanks
Thanks Armin, I needed that...lightness of this review gave me a mood adjustment. 😣 to 😁
That Groszer bow sure is pretty, this one speaks to me. Uh oh...$$$
Great review sir and I'm pretty sure the tips/sides were horn reinforced too prevent warping during weather changes when these bows were used for war. A Style now I guess
I love hungarian bows. Shoot one from AF archery. I use arrows that are 12 gpp. Great accuracy. That long one is super nice
Dang buddy I'd say that bow likes you that's the cleanest release I've seen you do in awhile.....you made a friend 😉
Yeah I know I am bad with my release, I should shoot more
I've had this bow for some years now. I love it. Mine is #50 draw.
Absolutely awesome review like always
Can you tell me what is the difference between Horn composite and bio-composite bows?
the first one is using the horn and sinew directly as is, the bio is using processed horn and sinew
Hi Armin, I'm curious, as I knew the draw weight could floating in different season on horn bow but laminated bow are not. How about biocomposite bow, is more like laminated bow or horn bow?
Hello armin, i receive this bow today. But it's 56 pounds. It's so hard to put the string on, i'm so scared to broke it. I already had a grozer bow (55pounds fiberglass trukish). But idk if i'm not use anymore but i can't string it ! do you now if a technique like yemen (with a rope) it's a good idea ? I never be a fan of classic stringing im si scared of broke the bow.
that would be very sad to be not able to use it just because i can't string it when I know I can pull this power pretty easily
You will manage, if you used similar poundage’s before. Take your time
The first Grozer I bought 2005, a Hun standard 50lbs. Later a laminated Assyrian, then the Hungarian you showed, a Hun Extra 3 (the original technic with fish glue) unfortunately with 60lbs, and a bio-Turkish with 35lbs. The best is definitively the laminated (not Bio-) Assyrian, followed by the nice Turk. The Hun is standard, not good, not bad, but nice to carry arround in the woods. I also had an early crimean tatar, but sadly it broke. Maybe one day, I will try to get an Assyrian Extra 3. All in all Grozer bows are great, very authentic and of good quality. I like them. :-)
Hi Armin! Thanks for another great review! i was actually looking at buying the short hungarian recently! Could you tell me, what is that thumb draw glove you are using?
the glove is from Freddie Archery
That is down right a beautiful bow !! I'm drawin to the horn on the belly side.. Bow looks like such a super smooth shooter !. Do you know if there sold here in the states ?. Bow like this needs to be on my want list. Great review my friend
Cody
Thanks Cody. I am not aware of any reseller in the States. But you always could order one directly from Grozer
Grozer does fast shipping from Hungary!
Grozer bow are like pokemon , gotta got them all
I’ve seen you draw ~45 lb bows and this one seems easier for you than most other ones. It seems to draw very smoothly, yet pack some punch - like a good weapon.
Awesome bow Armin!
Ohhhhhh my gosh. I need this in my life.
Question about the arrowpass
Overtime would the arrowpass become scratched by arrows in the release? Could this damage the bow? How could you prevent this? Im assuming you could stick some leather on
I have a seven year old Grozer biocomposite short hungarian. Just checked the arrow pass. No damage, Hardly any marking at all.
@@gregsoncumminggregsoncummi952 thank you. Beautiful bows!
@@wannabearcher5680 If you're wary of a scratched arrowpass, you could always tape it down. Personally I use hockey tape but at the range I saw some ppl use masking tape too.
I wrap all grips with a bees wax cloth, that works just perfect
If you don't want to damage your bow (because bows like these are not only good for shooting but they are also ''exhibition piece''). Use paper tape for arrowpass during shooting and then you can easily take it off so it will not damage looks...
I'm trying to figure out if I should get one of these because I love the look. I'm tall with a long draw though, like 32" with a Mediterranean draw, and that seems like the max draw.
It’s a great bow
Hello Armin, I just ordered this exact bow from Grozer (although at 46 pounds at 28 inches) and have been wracking my brain on what arrows to get. I'm still quite new to archery and have a lot of trouble matching bows and arrows and was wondering if you had any arrow suggestions for this now. Thanks in advance, excellent video as always :D
HI. As mentioned, I would go with 10gpp. See what your bow is doing at your full draw, then get arrows with 10gpp for it. Can be wood, carbon, bamboo. Does notmatter :) enjoy shooting
500 spine for under 33" 400 spine if over 33" long
Where do u recommend getting arrows for this bow? Love the videos by the way.
I get carbon arrows from Nijora.de as example. But there are many sources
My next bow will be a Grozer bio composite for sure. Everyone loves them 😁
How would you compare these bio composite bows to laminated ones? Which do you think shoots smother?
in general I would say biocomposite is smoother
@@ArminHirmer I would imagine that were the case. And with the current prices of Grozers bio composites, I see no reason to go laminated then 😂
Great review.
I am serously thinking about buying Grozer's bow, just can't decide which one. Assyrian BIO or Hungarian BIO... I have huge dilema :D
I am shoting just for few months so I considef myself a beginner. Should I consider this into my choice between mentioned bows ?
I would go with Assyrian :) it is that simple
What happened to the opening clip video music? Can we get the old one back please… was so nice and punchy
After I used it in almost all my videos since 3 years, TH-cam thinks now that it’s not royalty free music. I had to fight a few times now already, but they just don’t accept that it’s free music from my editing software. So I either need to mute it or simply use another one
I want to know what the pound range is for this bow... I'm really liking it... It's beautiful...
But what lbs can it be made with... Even if it costs a bit more???
I mentioned it in the video. 30-65#
@@ArminHirmer oh. I missed... Sorry sir... Thank you... This bow is soooo beautiful... If I got a 60.. or 65 lb... It would be my bow for years and years..
I love how thick it looks .... Stout... Like it's actually got material to it
Logically, the bracehight should be measured from the same point where we measure the max draw?
yup, but max draw as least how I measure is from the back of the bow not the belly
@@ArminHirmer Same should be done with the bracehight, I guess.
Say. How practical are biocomposite laminated bows for climates which alternate year around weather: hot dry, cool/cold dry and hot humid conditions.
pretty good and for sure better than laminated fiberglass bows
Easy. I shoot my Assyrian biocomposite under rain for 3 hours, and it took a toll on the sinew wrappings under the nocks and where the limb meets the siah. The sinew became soft, kind of gelly and lost a bit of its shape. I had to comb the wrapping and dry them afterwards.
Also on the side of the bottom limb, the sinew became soft and it's not smooth anymore.
Bow still works great, but I'm not shooting the Assyrian in wet weather again.
Perhaps it was sealed with fish glue or some other material that doesn't tolerate water. I don't really know. I don't know enough about the matter
Shot my Hungarian (and Persian) biocomposite in the rain several times this summer, never had a problem yet.
Absolutely gorgeous bow, and another top notch review. Honor is due, to the archer and the bowyer!
I find it interesting that, like the Chinese bows with very large siyahs, the traditional Hungarian (Magyar?) bows seem to be intended for throwing comparatively heavy arrows at moderate speeds. Were the Magyars traditionally in conflict with people who fought in armor? If so, who...Bohemia? Holy Roman Empire/Austria? Turkey?
Not a historian but I guess even out of the fact that wood arrows in that length and for the draw were quite heavy
If my history class memories are correct (might not be, it was a long time ago 😃 ), when the nomadic tribes of huns and magors entered the carpathian basin, they started a sort of conquest period where they initiated circa 50 campaigns in the surrounding regions. This period is called adventuring in hungarian, but let's be real here they were raids, the name is just way of not portraying our ancestors as assholes 😅 But I digress, one of the major campaigns was an intervention between the Byzantine Empire and the Bulgarians on behalf of the latter one. Soo yeah you could say we were in conflict with more heavily armored armies.
Have you fired 200-210 fps short bows?
We need a review of the persian biocomposite bow as well.
tell Csaba :D
Good old fashion grozer Hungarian bow. I find my self most comfortable with grozer comparing to many bow in same price
Morning Sir, I am new to archery & recurve bows. Would you reccomend a nice bow that wont break the bank ? I would be willing spend $400 US. dollars....
thank you
I would spend not that much for my fist bow and get something light weight, to learn technique and form. Later I would get something more fancy. Still it depends which style you wasn't to shoot, what draw length you need, which design you like in which environment you live
Rob. Buy akosbow :] short hungarian, or long hungarian, depending on your taste
U will love it.. I bought one from him, just for 120£ to the UK including delivery.
Is this bow ok for beginners? Danke Herr Armin :)
I personally would not start with it. But of course it’s for beginners
Would you any video on which traditional bows are good for beginners? Danke Schon Herr Armin 🙏
When they call it bio composite... What is the difference from composite?
the materials and the making is different. On the website of Grozer you can find what it means
They look and feel very good, their performance is how ever lacking, good bowyers make wooden self bows faster than these, but you don't buy these for their performance anyway, but for the horn bow look, without spending horn bow money. They have had lots of delamination issues tough, grozer says that has been taken care of, but my grozer biocomposite still has one side the "horn" becoming to delaminate, but nothing serious thus far, it still works and shows no signs of getting worse.
Which year your bow has been made, if I may ask?
@@agamagreen i don't remember, maybe around 2017, but it has the horn color that starts black and changes white towards the outer limb, most of the horn length is black. When grozer him self wrote about the delamination issues in facebook atarn croup, he put pictures of the old and the problem fixed version, and mine was the later. I don't know if those bows have had even more resent update.
@@jkre If an issue is identified, most often solutions are there to fix it. My oldest Grózer bow is made in Jan 2021 😁
Fingers crossed! 🤞☺️
@@agamagreen good luck with them, maybe always remembering to unstring after use will help keeping them intact. Maybe even use a stringer or waist cable to string them, step tru method always has little sideways torque.
@@jkre Yes, I unstring all my bows after use, and I do this veeeeery slowly for the biocomposite bows ☺️
Cool one.
The Great Wall bow!
0:55 "Short Hungarian Bro" Kekius Maximus
biocomposite is such a weird term to use. I always saw the stuff with fiberglass as being modern reproductions, and bows made with horn, wood and sinew as being a "hornbow". Using that term for stuff made out of glass and wood laminations seems strange, just like how those modern longbows are called "traditional" even though they are anything but. what is traditonal about using materials that were invented many centuries after these bows were?
depends if you look at design or materials I guess
Inches?
oh Donnerwetter, noch ein 44# recurvbogen !
aber faszienierend !
서쪽으로 간 물길/말갈/여진/주션/동이의 후손들 마쟈르 애들
Armin
No doubt that u are a way better archer than me, but u do something wrong, you shouldn't grip the horn when you set up the bow. You only need to hold your hand under and push. If u grip the horn, u risk twisting :D
yes sir, I will think about that next time
That's a good price imho
Wait... Does that mean... Real materials... Like.. not man made... For 400 dollars. Or there abouts.
Also.. like the Shelby Cobra statement
the sinew is not applied in strands on the bow, they are pre made plates, same with the horn, it in some way processed
The Huns!
3. :D und 1. :P