Pretty impressive, considering PSE was bought by the Outdoor Group last year and some people expressed their concerns on whether PSE bow quality would diminish. I'm not going to rush out and buy the Mach 30 to replace my Levitate, but even in a subjective test like this where three people shooting the bow had similar tight groups suggests the design is pretty solid. Now the question is--can PSE sustain this, and improve on it to produce tge "Bow of the Year" next year. Not everyone has to agree. If you bought a Lift or an RX-8 this year and are satisfied with it, that's YOUR top bow for 2024, and that's what matters. Master you bow, and you'll get great results. Good hunting to anyone who has read this far.
Similar to hunting rifles, everyone's bow they currently own is "the best", but we've found that if folks just head to the bow shop and try the latest flagships for themselves, they'll be pleasantly surprised!
As a shop owner, it must be great to get to shoot test all the newest bows. But I'll bet it's challenging to figure out how to convince potential customers as to why this year's model is so much better than last years.
Especially when it’s all just bs and gimmicks at this point. I truly feel that the quality of product from every bow company across the board have took a nose dive.
@@jasonbarnes3188and got to take out a LOAN to get one now. I haven't bought a new bow since 2011 or so I think . Don't need one . Nothing is faster. Maybe a bit smoother and less vibration, but I only hunt with it. Used to work at a pro shop for years. I shot everything out there. But I can't blow that kind of money anymore with 3 kids
@@jasonbarnes3188I’ll probably never buy any of these flagship bows. I’m a darton guy where my bow will shoot faster than any of the flagship bows at a pretty smooth draw. I’ve had my issues with them too. My dads bow is 30 years old and I don’t think he’s even ever changed the cables. Dropped out of a tree stand a few times all good to go
It's a very fun yet long week. The test is quite eye opening every single year. Typically the new models change enough YOY, but when they don't we'll be the first to call that out!
It's chill they keep coming out with new stuff every year. I'll stick with my 2014 Bear Attitude though. I used it in an in house tournament at a local range this past weekend (1st tourney ever) and shot 305 out of 360. Only the to 3 got placed and at least 1st/2nd were 328 so i don't feel that bad about my score. I was also using cheap Vital Impact arrows from Sportsman's.
Bow technology really hasn’t changed that much. Not really faster at all or more smooth than the older bows just a little quieter and dead in the hand and a little more stable
6:26 Reword that phrase. Change it to. Revolutionary, in Bows shorter than 33" or more. Previously, what we traded away, in a lightweight, smaller package bow, was some stability and accuracy. As you said, the larger Target Bows, at 40 inches and more, with 7 and 8 inch brace heights, and more, brought in increased stability and increased accuracy. So traditionally, the 34 or 35 inch bow is the compromise between the Target accuracy 40inch bow, and the Lightweight, small package 30 inch hunting bow. But what your testing with this bow shows, is that the company has gone back to the drawing board, diagnosed those weaknesses on the shorter bow, identified areas where they can remove instability, or, areas where they can increase stability, and compensate. And the final package, is a new design, that is able to do, at 30 inches in lightweight carbon fiber, compete with longer Bows, and perhaps outperform them. In accuracy at range. And just like with a backpacking rifle, there is demand for an accurate package, that is lightweight and maneuverable. But yeah. Change the phrase. Don't say "it should not be able to do this". Say something like "revolutionary in compact, lightweight hunting Bows. 30 inch carbon fiber, outperforming 34 and 3t inch Bows" IMHO
It's 1,799, and cheaper than a Hoyt carbon. Not much more expensive than a Mathew's (which are expensive to set up), and they aren't carbon. It's a top of the line bow, with a price tag less than some of the others. So yeah. It's remarkable.
@@hitmanhartman1394 It’s a $2000 bow because of the US labor costs and high end material that went into making the hand-laid carbon fiber riser. This bow is not for everyone. It’s for those who want a high end bow that is unique and exclusive.
Damn. I've been out of archery for like 7 years now just getting back in. Back then hoyts carbon bows, bare bow were 1200, and 1349. Mathews halons were 950 bare. The Mathews monster always been 2k. But pse flag ships were all about 900 to 1k. Dream season, full throttle. Ill be getting a new bow soon, just have a entry mainline for now. As I sold my halon 6 back then. A lot has changed, even their websites. Seems like each company has less models, they don't seem to be posting MSRP. Which is fine. I heard pse was bought so, idk if they still do proline and mainline, or just one? Been a bit disappointed to see some equipment I liked discontinued.
my fifteen year old carbon High Country Triple S with perf-x cam comes in at 3.6 lbs all set up. that sight on the PSE probably cost more than my whole hunting rig.
You'd be surprised at how much the modern bows have improved in 15 years. Honestly, it's worth heading to a bow shop just to try some of the new flagships out, even if you don't walk out the door with one.
Well done with the article and review! Do the pros have any comments on how one bow actually shot worse with stabilizers? Those results for the evolve on day two are pretty surprising and I’m hoping it was explored a little more. Cheers!
Very interesting with regards to dynamic brace height and even brace height in general. I don't know exactly what my Hoyt Defiant 30 does, but it is a pretty good bow. But sometimes I feel that my short leverbow, Monsterbows Phoenix, actually can feel more stable than the Hoyt at full draw - probably because it has a pretty big brace height plus the dynamic brace height is probably a bit longer at full draw, because of the flex in the limbs. I look forwarf to my comming new leverbow, Monsterbows Dragon / Honey Creek Archery Swarm. It is pretty much the same as my Monsterbows Phoenix, short leverbow - just a longer version.
Wishing there were more criteria used for this year's bow review like what was used in previous years bow of the year reviews. Used to get real scientific and even used sophisticated equipment to measure such things as shock.
We found the lab measurements of shock were a little misleading because the accelerometer can only measure for forward movement, not residual vibration. So it could measure if a bow jumped forward after the shot, but not if it buzzed your hand. We think three different archers judging the post-shot experience gives a more well-rounded look at what you can expect.
I read the full article, noticed a few different stabilizers were used. Was there a consensus on stabilizer for the Mach 30 from the group? From video it seems it was the Frankenstein stab… I’m having issues quieting mine down
Are these as dead in hand and vibe free as the Hoyt carbon? Does it come close to Mathews lift? I've stayed away from PSE carbon due to how loud they used to be and how it felt in my hand at the shot. Love the 90% letoff for hunting and the design is starting to get much nicer looking. I shot PSE bows for a long time and still have one as a backup so Im happy to see they are back on top again
The Mach 34 is fantastic, and we tested it in 2023. It tied the Elite Era for most accurate last year. I think 30 DS will appeal to most people and the 34 is ideal for archers who like the string angle on a longer bow or have a long draw length. You can read last year's test here: www.outdoorlife.com/gear/best-compound-bows-2023/
I’m new to archery, is some kind of special technique to point your bow towards the sky at an extreme angle while drawing back an arrow as demonstrated in the video?
pretty sure thats considered taboo. Im not an experienced bloke like that guy by any means. i just know that it usually means the poundage is too high.
take a bit of practice to get your muscles working, but if you can not draw the bow with the arrow facing straight forward without struggling, the poundage is too high. if you can not draw the bow while sitting down, don't even buy it for hunting. at 10F sitting for 3-5 hrs, it's not gonna be any easier..
Pse shows that the low let off mods (65-75%) are available for the evolve ds 30 but it doesn't list them for the mach 30 ds. Will those mods work with this bow?
Curious to see these groups in some wind/weather. not saying that it doesn't affect shooting for all bows, but the lighter you go, the more difficult to hold in weather conditions. My old Creed Xs was super light and short. Holding in a breeze was extremely difficult.
I have a Levitate, the 1st edition with the E2 cam, and have shot a few through my friend's Mach 34, and 1 thing they both do extremely well is hold on target...it's actually kinda weird how well they hold..
We shot the 50-yard groups outside in late-February. It was a bit breezy, but not terribly windy. Honestly, it felt like a mid-November morning in the woods. So it wasn't dead calm for the grouping tests.
The Era wins in the post shot category. It's 100% dead after the shot, which makes it very fun to shoot. But, the Mach 30 DS wins in the accuracy and forgiveness category. It holds on target better than anything we've tested to date.
The thing is, every bow that PJ stands in front of a camera with,is awesome. In My opinion he is not a credible source in terms of reviews. Not one time have I ever heard him utter the phrase, ' what I don't like about this bow. '
Been trying to explain what you are calling “dynamic brace height” to many people claiming that reflex measurements matter. I’ll have to use that term now instead of calling it horizontal tangent point travel. I’d say that the majority of archers with an internet voice do not understand any of this or why it matters.
I think the main difference between our review and others is that we tested all the flagships head to head with multiple archers and tested them for accuracy. The data ultimately decides the winner and this year in particular it was a landslide.
Most all older bows actually feature this technology where the “dynamic brace height” at full draw is longer than the brace height at rest. However some bows for example I’ll just say it, Mathews hunting bows, actually have a shorter “dynamic brace height” than the actual brace height. This is due to limb and cam design. The reason for this stability is the moment arm length “dynamic brace height” that the string tension has to resist torque around the axis of the grip. Not a new concept at all . I personally don’t like the idea of calling it dynamic. It’s not dynamics it’s still statics. Just statics at full draw. Dynamics would be how the bow reacts upon release. It’s not the riser reflex that hurts stability as many are trying to make us believe based upon their theories. If these archery “experts” could draw a simple free body diagram or do basic statics they would understand archery a lot more and wouldn’t parrot their undeveloped theories. I still cringe every time I see a bow review where riser reflex is measured and that measurement is the basis of a stability claim.
@@theingobeck4772 It takes us nerds that understand archery and basic physics to push the industry in the right direction and to get past the marketing and influencer bullshit that seems to be plaguing the industry right now. Lots of guys with a lot of good information they are sharing but an equal amount of bullshit being parroted. In my opinion the number one completely false claim being made is that reflex measurement can be used to compare the full draw stability of different bows. In reality there is only one measurement that can be taken at full draw that matters and that is the length of the moment arm resisting torque. A simple measurement to take with a straight edge and ruler at full draw. But instead we will just keep hearing people say a bow should be demerited because it has reflex riser geometry. The worst is seeing people discuss where to take a reflex measurement and why their measurement point is the rightful one. The easiest way to throw a wrench in their thinking is to say what if the limb pocket is longer, or what about a Bowtech Commander. It blows their brain up and throws all their false theories out the window. Just because everyone repeats a theory enough doesn’t make it true and unfortunately that’s where the archery industry is at. Took us nerds to convince the world that it’s not flat.
The Era wins in the post shot category. It's 100% dead after the shot, which makes it very fun to shoot. But, the Mach 30 DS wins in the accuracy and forgiveness category. It holds on target better than anything we've tested to date.
@AntonyKarolis house and a bow are two totally different things, one you need, the other is nice to have. But to play along on another dumb question.... my house I bought 21 years ago for 145,000 the appraisal value is 210,000 so that's a 69% increase. Now one of my custom bows I bought 15 years ago for around 400 is now selling for about 1200...... three times as much. And a top of the line compound, bought 30 years ago was about 200 and came with a quiver, sight, rest , and arrows .... now go look and see what they bring. And like I said, a home is pretty much a need, a bow is not. Anymore questions?
Accuracy is the shooter, not the bow it comes from good form and practice. The bow just makes it comfortable, I’ve watched guys shoot bows just carved out of a piece of wood and it was like wow! So before you spend the money make sure you are worthy of it.
Lol there's plenty of bows that shoot just as good, are just as quiet, and vibration free for a fraction of the cost... So many better options without the staggering price tag !!!
I am still using my Hoyt Razortec I ordered 20 years ago! 32" axle to axle, witha 6.5" Brace height. I have Robinhood so many arrows at 20yds that I absolutely never shoot more than a single arrow at a time at a single target. So I stopped doing groups at 20yds long ago, 30yds my bow will group 1 to 2". I thought about replacing with a new Hoyt or PSE, my 2 favorite brands, but that itch never got strong enough. I did waste my money on a $1300 TenPoint crossbow that I never used 10 years ago that's sitting in my game room, brand spanking new.
I took the plunge and bought one. Pricy, pricy, pricy. My groups were not as good as PJ’s, until I made this change - stabilizers. This bow come alive with both a front and side stabilizer.
@@teamflanneloutdoors5631yeah because being a top level archer with decades of experience in the industry and competition going into collaboration with a bow company is a bad thing because the unknown nobody said so. 🤣🤣🤣
Absolutely. A big ol crock O snot. Draw force curves tell the tale every time. The bows they sell today are less shootable and no more efficient or fast than 15 years ago. If it weren't for the ignorance of youth bow manufacturers would be closing their doors or cutting prices back by 2/3rds at least.
It's funny how the actual footage is like everything is wow & then u go into the comments and there's nothing but negativity... Pro tip: always go to the reviews/comments... Real people real experiences real answers
Everyone who has one seems to be loving theirs. The negativity seems to stem more from folks who don't have one and aren't open to trying something new.
The Era has less vibration and smoother draw. It's an incredibly fun bow to shoot and was very accurate. It also has the Elite features we like: 1/4" draw adjustment and SET. But, for performance, accuracy, ease of holding on target, lightness, and forgiveness the Mach 30 DS is the way to go.
When you buy a $2k rifle/shotgun it appreciates, you can hand it down to your kids and grandkids.... keeps appreciating. When you buy a $2k bow, its worth $500 in 2 years and nobody wants it. $2k for a bare bow that people will consider "obsolete" or "less lethal" next year is just, well, stupid. I always have 2 compounds. I've bow hunted since I was 12 in 1991 (Bear whitetail 2 lol). Hunted 3 to 4 states since 1999. So I have one Flagship (Currently V3X) and I also have a mid-level backup bow (Bowtech Zion) in case something happens and I'm nowhere near my press etc. I don't go nuts like a lot of guys. About every 5-7yrs I'll get a new one. I hunt all of October with traditional gear, killed last years PA buck with a 1970s 55# Bear Grizzly recurve. Last yr OH buck was w the Zion. I've killed bucks with almost every brand, from every era. I've had at least 20 bows in last 33 yrs. I hunt enough to justify the costs. But its just not worth it anymore. Bow technology made huge jumps from 2007-2017 +/-. But now we're paying all this $$ for something maybe 1% better than last year. The V3 was my last flagship. You guys/gals just starting, most of todays mid-level stuff was Flagship technology just a few years ago. So buy a solid mid-level bow. Spend the money on solid components, the best arrows and heads you can afford, then shoot it.... a LOT. Use that extra money to pay for taxidermy and hot sticks.
I invented and patented a compound bow that does not require a cable guard. An arrow is nocked the same way an arrow is nocked on any other compound bow. View TH-cam video "COMPOUND BOW NO CABLE GUARD". How can I get a bow tested with the MODIFIED CAM technology?
Gotta say I was worried about the new ownership but since this one and the others came out it’s clear pse is gonna try to dominate going forward and who wins the customers! 🤘🏻
Compound bows are great for power and accuracy. Perfect for weekend hunters. If you truly need to survive, you can’t fix it without a professional bow shop and special equipment. Go traditional.
Not true at all I can disassemble and reassemble my compound in the field without a press. I shoot traditional as well and while it is fun, it is like getting out of my new pickup and into a horse and buggy and making a 300 mile trip. You will still get where you’re going. But not anytime soon.
PJ uses increasing tension to activate his shot. That tension in his body has to go somewhere and it results in a follow through. The arrow is LONG GONE by the time his body reacts
An $1800 bow?? That's why bows like this are a waste, two years from now it'll be worth half that if you're lucky and two years after that it's a garage sale bow. I made the mistake of paying almost a grand for a PSE Mach 10 when it came out in the 90's, I'll never do that again and I absolutely love the PSE Mach series bows.
i made the mistake of spending over $1000 on my pse omen when it came out. never doing that again. Today, it's worth ...maybe $200 and people will still not buy it. it's still a good ass bow though. bows depreciate so fast vs guns. my $1000 gun i bought 10 yrs ago is still worth almost as much today.. :D
I have a 400 dollar diamond with sights rest an cable slide all custom an iv chrono at 311 fps but more importantly im super accurate an still spent a little over a quater of this bow price
We backed it off to make it equal to the other bows in the test. The one we had to work with was a 70-pound model and all others were 60-pound bows. Me, personally, I shoot it better at 70 pounds than at 60.
I wouldn’t be surprised here in the near future…..these hunting bows would perform just as good, or better than the norm of “ Target “ bows 👍🙏 that would be awesome, and the best of both worlds👍🏹🏹🏹
Absolutely hilarious to see "adult men" falling into the Marketing Rabbit Hole. This really explains a lot about the " Purpose of Life" topic & what the future looks like.
$2000.00 + bow? WHY? Self made Long Bow, or my purchased 'Raptor' from Simon's Bow Company. 'Raptor' is a "Tartar Style" Ancient bow design. Thumb release and all, with Tartar/Turkish 'Raptor'. With both bows I get better than 1 inch groups(5 arrows@ 198 Raptor/167 Self Bow fps) at 25 yards.....Raptor cost $400eu? My $60.00 Marlin Model 60 .22...still shoots circles around most of the expensive .22 Target Chassis, blinged out guns I have come across. LEARN TO SHOOT and save your money! Not saying I wouldn't buy one though lol I am complicated 🤣🤣 Love me some Precision!🤷♂🤷♂ PSE was my my first love.
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It's no good if it isn't quiet. Sounded pretty noisy to me. Also seems too heavy. I want my bow under 4 lbs or even less. Groups that tight at 50 yds, very impressive, but under 300fps and noisy, no deer is going to stand still for that.
completely opposite review from MFJJ. He shit on this bow. I am surprised to see an honest review on the PSE and the fact the new matthews didn't make the top spot. PSE is a grossly underrated bow at this time. Many more matthews/hoyt fanboys should give PSE an honest shot.
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Glad to see its getting the glory is deserves..I freaking love mine!
Pretty impressive, considering PSE was bought by the Outdoor Group last year and some people expressed their concerns on whether PSE bow quality would diminish. I'm not going to rush out and buy the Mach 30 to replace my Levitate, but even in a subjective test like this where three people shooting the bow had similar tight groups suggests the design is pretty solid. Now the question is--can PSE sustain this, and improve on it to produce tge "Bow of the Year" next year.
Not everyone has to agree. If you bought a Lift or an RX-8 this year and are satisfied with it, that's YOUR top bow for 2024, and that's what matters. Master you bow, and you'll get great results. Good hunting to anyone who has read this far.
Hawh!
Similar to hunting rifles, everyone's bow they currently own is "the best", but we've found that if folks just head to the bow shop and try the latest flagships for themselves, they'll be pleasantly surprised!
As a shop owner, it must be great to get to shoot test all the newest bows. But I'll bet it's challenging to figure out how to convince potential customers as to why this year's model is so much better than last years.
Especially when it’s all just bs and gimmicks at this point. I truly feel that the quality of product from every bow company across the board have took a nose dive.
@@jasonbarnes3188and got to take out a LOAN to get one now. I haven't bought a new bow since 2011 or so I think . Don't need one . Nothing is faster. Maybe a bit smoother and less vibration, but I only hunt with it.
Used to work at a pro shop for years. I shot everything out there. But I can't blow that kind of money anymore with 3 kids
@@jasonbarnes3188I’ll probably never buy any of these flagship bows. I’m a darton guy where my bow will shoot faster than any of the flagship bows at a pretty smooth draw. I’ve had my issues with them too. My dads bow is 30 years old and I don’t think he’s even ever changed the cables. Dropped out of a tree stand a few times all good to go
@@alexgarete1521 Darton is also really expensive, just get a bear.
It's a very fun yet long week. The test is quite eye opening every single year. Typically the new models change enough YOY, but when they don't we'll be the first to call that out!
I hope they update the Mach 34 with the same features.
It's chill they keep coming out with new stuff every year. I'll stick with my 2014 Bear Attitude though. I used it in an in house tournament at a local range this past weekend (1st tourney ever) and shot 305 out of 360. Only the to 3 got placed and at least 1st/2nd were 328 so i don't feel that bad about my score.
I was also using cheap Vital Impact arrows from Sportsman's.
Bow technology really hasn’t changed that much. Not really faster at all or more smooth than the older bows just a little quieter and dead in the hand and a little more stable
My god people put your big boy paints on. If you like your Mathews keep it he didn't say they suck just maybe PSE knows how to build a bow too.
Am a Mathews never going chip bow psi
Mathews
The bud light of archery.
@@richardlehoux683 What language is this nonsense?
Better buy a pse now my phase 4 is obsolete ancient technology
6:26
Reword that phrase.
Change it to.
Revolutionary, in Bows shorter than 33" or more.
Previously, what we traded away, in a lightweight, smaller package bow, was some stability and accuracy.
As you said, the larger Target Bows, at 40 inches and more, with 7 and 8 inch brace heights, and more, brought in increased stability and increased accuracy.
So traditionally, the 34 or 35 inch bow is the compromise between the Target accuracy 40inch bow, and the Lightweight, small package 30 inch hunting bow.
But what your testing with this bow shows, is that the company has gone back to the drawing board, diagnosed those weaknesses on the shorter bow, identified areas where they can remove instability, or, areas where they can increase stability, and compensate.
And the final package, is a new design, that is able to do, at 30 inches in lightweight carbon fiber, compete with longer Bows, and perhaps outperform them.
In accuracy at range.
And just like with a backpacking rifle, there is demand for an accurate package, that is lightweight and maneuverable.
But yeah.
Change the phrase. Don't say "it should not be able to do this".
Say something like "revolutionary in compact, lightweight hunting Bows. 30 inch carbon fiber, outperforming 34 and 3t inch Bows"
IMHO
$1,800 real pricey us poor hunters can't afford that!
i use a $200 bow i found on amazon and it shoots just like the expensive bow
@@FPSWildlifeAngler bwahahahahahaha!!!
Find a cheaper bow. Anything can kill an animal.
@@skoolynugenator1802 its true but you want to ethically kill the animal like i mean fast without pain
We'll have a new budget bow test coming out soon: www.outdoorlife.com/gear/best-compound-bow-for-the-money/
Calling a $2,000 bow remarkable is a bit ridiculous imo. For that price the damn bow better be amazing.
It's a flagship bow. Most flagship bows are running around that $1500 - $2000 range nowadays, whether we like it or not!
It's 1,799, and cheaper than a Hoyt carbon. Not much more expensive than a Mathew's (which are expensive to set up), and they aren't carbon. It's a top of the line bow, with a price tag less than some of the others. So yeah. It's remarkable.
@@hitmanhartman1394 It’s a $2000 bow because of the US labor costs and high end material that went into making the hand-laid carbon fiber riser. This bow is not for everyone. It’s for those who want a high end bow that is unique and exclusive.
I guess you don't understand how expensive technology and research are to make these bows do what they do
Damn. I've been out of archery for like 7 years now just getting back in. Back then hoyts carbon bows, bare bow were 1200, and 1349. Mathews halons were 950 bare. The Mathews monster always been 2k. But pse flag ships were all about 900 to 1k. Dream season, full throttle. Ill be getting a new bow soon, just have a entry mainline for now. As I sold my halon 6 back then. A lot has changed, even their websites. Seems like each company has less models, they don't seem to be posting MSRP. Which is fine. I heard pse was bought so, idk if they still do proline and mainline, or just one? Been a bit disappointed to see some equipment I liked discontinued.
my fifteen year old carbon High Country Triple S with perf-x cam comes in at 3.6 lbs all set up. that sight on the PSE probably cost more than my whole hunting rig.
You'd be surprised at how much the modern bows have improved in 15 years. Honestly, it's worth heading to a bow shop just to try some of the new flagships out, even if you don't walk out the door with one.
Well done with the article and review! Do the pros have any comments on how one bow actually shot worse with stabilizers? Those results for the evolve on day two are pretty surprising and I’m hoping it was explored a little more. Cheers!
Very interesting with regards to dynamic brace height and even brace height in general. I don't know exactly what my Hoyt Defiant 30 does, but it is a pretty good bow. But sometimes I feel that my short leverbow, Monsterbows Phoenix, actually can feel more stable than the Hoyt at full draw - probably because it has a pretty big brace height plus the dynamic brace height is probably a bit longer at full draw, because of the flex in the limbs. I look forwarf to my comming new leverbow, Monsterbows Dragon / Honey Creek Archery Swarm. It is pretty much the same as my Monsterbows Phoenix, short leverbow - just a longer version.
Does the Mach 34 have the same shooting perks too?
Appreciate the content! Can you guys do a video of the Matthew Lift X vs PSE Mach30?
The best cam system in the industry ,and pse has the only carbon riser made in the USA!
Hoyt isn’t made in the USA?
Hoyt is made in the USA.
Wishing there were more criteria used for this year's bow review like what was used in previous years bow of the year reviews. Used to get real scientific and even used sophisticated equipment to measure such things as shock.
We found the lab measurements of shock were a little misleading because the accelerometer can only measure for forward movement, not residual vibration. So it could measure if a bow jumped forward after the shot, but not if it buzzed your hand. We think three different archers judging the post-shot experience gives a more well-rounded look at what you can expect.
I got a use PSE last year as my first bow and it has been excellent and given me no reason to look elseshere
Excellent Footage.
I read the full article, noticed a few different stabilizers were used. Was there a consensus on stabilizer for the Mach 30 from the group? From video it seems it was the Frankenstein stab… I’m having issues quieting mine down
The Franken stab and the antler ridge were favorites. These light bows don’t need a ton of weight to make a difference which is nice.
Are these as dead in hand and vibe free as the Hoyt carbon? Does it come close to Mathews lift? I've stayed away from PSE carbon due to how loud they used to be and how it felt in my hand at the shot. Love the 90% letoff for hunting and the design is starting to get much nicer looking. I shot PSE bows for a long time and still have one as a backup so Im happy to see they are back on top again
Surprisingly dead in hand. Honestly, you should try to shoot one at your local shop and experience it for yourself.
When I think of a “light bow” it doesn’t weigh 6 lbs. it’s a recurve, a thing of beauty, and can be carried miles and miles and not get heavy.
The compound bow game is rife with hyperbole and fluff.
Just wondering why it was not compared to the Mach 34. I own one and find it very stable given its light weight.
The Mach 34 is fantastic, and we tested it in 2023. It tied the Elite Era for most accurate last year. I think 30 DS will appeal to most people and the 34 is ideal for archers who like the string angle on a longer bow or have a long draw length. You can read last year's test here: www.outdoorlife.com/gear/best-compound-bows-2023/
I’m new to archery, is some kind of special technique to point your bow towards the sky at an extreme angle while drawing back an arrow as demonstrated in the video?
pretty sure thats considered taboo. Im not an experienced bloke like that guy by any means. i just know that it usually means the poundage is too high.
@@mbs6585 thanks for your help and input 👊
take a bit of practice to get your muscles working, but if you can not draw the bow with the arrow facing straight forward without struggling, the poundage is too high. if you can not draw the bow while sitting down, don't even buy it for hunting. at 10F sitting for 3-5 hrs, it's not gonna be any easier..
Pse shows that the low let off mods (65-75%) are available for the evolve ds 30 but it doesn't list them for the mach 30 ds. Will those mods work with this bow?
Last PSE I shot was a PSE Carroll Intruder. Might check this one out.
Curious to see these groups in some wind/weather. not saying that it doesn't affect shooting for all bows, but the lighter you go, the more difficult to hold in weather conditions. My old Creed Xs was super light and short. Holding in a breeze was extremely difficult.
I have a Levitate, the 1st edition with the E2 cam, and have shot a few through my friend's Mach 34, and 1 thing they both do extremely well is hold on target...it's actually kinda weird how well they hold..
bwahahahahaha!!!
We shot the 50-yard groups outside in late-February. It was a bit breezy, but not terribly windy. Honestly, it felt like a mid-November morning in the woods. So it wasn't dead calm for the grouping tests.
I’d be interested in your take on non-compound bows, longbows for instance for 2024.
We've got you covered: www.outdoorlife.com/gear/best-recurve-bows/
Why is your range uphill?
How does it compare to the elite era, which was the winner last year?
The Era wins in the post shot category. It's 100% dead after the shot, which makes it very fun to shoot. But, the Mach 30 DS wins in the accuracy and forgiveness category. It holds on target better than anything we've tested to date.
This bow will give deer a nervous twitch.
The thing is, every bow that PJ stands in front of a camera with,is awesome. In My opinion he is not a credible source in terms of reviews. Not one time have I ever heard him utter the phrase, ' what I don't like about this bow. '
Most bows are more capable than we will be able to ever shoot them nowadays, tech has advanced a lot from ten years ago
I kind of agree 👍 😊
Everything he picks up is the best ever, he’s just a salesman. He has no credibility whatsoever as far as I am concerned.
He'd better sell used cars to soccer moms. That bloke is a pain in the butt
That's because he works for a shop that sells them.
Been trying to explain what you are calling “dynamic brace height” to many people claiming that reflex measurements matter. I’ll have to use that term now instead of calling it horizontal tangent point travel. I’d say that the majority of archers with an internet voice do not understand any of this or why it matters.
It's a pretty interesting piece of engineering they've done.
I think the main difference between our review and others is that we tested all the flagships head to head with multiple archers and tested them for accuracy. The data ultimately decides the winner and this year in particular it was a landslide.
Most all older bows actually feature this technology where the “dynamic brace height” at full draw is longer than the brace height at rest. However some bows for example I’ll just say it, Mathews hunting bows, actually have a shorter “dynamic brace height” than the actual brace height. This is due to limb and cam design.
The reason for this stability is the moment arm length “dynamic brace height” that the string tension has to resist torque around the axis of the grip. Not a new concept at all . I personally don’t like the idea of calling it dynamic. It’s not dynamics it’s still statics. Just statics at full draw. Dynamics would be how the bow reacts upon release.
It’s not the riser reflex that hurts stability as many are trying to make us believe based upon their theories. If these archery “experts” could draw a simple free body diagram or do basic statics they would understand archery a lot more and wouldn’t parrot their undeveloped theories. I still cringe every time I see a bow review where riser reflex is measured and that measurement is the basis of a stability claim.
@@jrhunt414nerd alert! 😂
@@theingobeck4772 It takes us nerds that understand archery and basic physics to push the industry in the right direction and to get past the marketing and influencer bullshit that seems to be plaguing the industry right now. Lots of guys with a lot of good information they are sharing but an equal amount of bullshit being parroted. In my opinion the number one completely false claim being made is that reflex measurement can be used to compare the full draw stability of different bows. In reality there is only one measurement that can be taken at full draw that matters and that is the length of the moment arm resisting torque. A simple measurement to take with a straight edge and ruler at full draw. But instead we will just keep hearing people say a bow should be demerited because it has reflex riser geometry. The worst is seeing people discuss where to take a reflex measurement and why their measurement point is the rightful one. The easiest way to throw a wrench in their thinking is to say what if the limb pocket is longer, or what about a Bowtech Commander. It blows their brain up and throws all their false theories out the window. Just because everyone repeats a theory enough doesn’t make it true and unfortunately that’s where the archery industry is at. Took us nerds to convince the world that it’s not flat.
Would love to see a 36/38 inch ATA with this bow
Awesome video! If we were interested in setting up a potential product for you to film, how could we get in contact with you?
I'll stick with my Bowtech Carbon Knight, I shoot less than 1" groups in 50 meters, around 56 yards, with an arrow speed of 340 fps.
How would you stack this against the Elite Era?
The Era wins in the post shot category. It's 100% dead after the shot, which makes it very fun to shoot. But, the Mach 30 DS wins in the accuracy and forgiveness category. It holds on target better than anything we've tested to date.
In my lifetime of 60 years we have went from 100 for a top bow to now 1800 for a stripped down bow. Sad.
I'm confused.... was inflation not a thing 60 years ago?
@jackroman8821 yes but nothing like the last decade
@@davetoms63 Fair point.
How much did pay for a house?
@AntonyKarolis house and a bow are two totally different things, one you need, the other is nice to have. But to play along on another dumb question.... my house I bought 21 years ago for 145,000 the appraisal value is 210,000 so that's a 69% increase. Now one of my custom bows I bought 15 years ago for around 400 is now selling for about 1200...... three times as much. And a top of the line compound, bought 30 years ago was about 200 and came with a quiver, sight, rest , and arrows .... now go look and see what they bring. And like I said, a home is pretty much a need, a bow is not. Anymore questions?
Accuracy is the shooter, not the bow it comes from good form and practice. The bow just makes it comfortable, I’ve watched guys shoot bows just carved out of a piece of wood and it was like wow! So before you spend the money make sure you are worthy of it.
That's why we have multiple people shooting for accuracy. It helps give a true look at how each bow performs.
would love to test my creed xs to this
Thank You PJ
Lol there's plenty of bows that shoot just as good, are just as quiet, and vibration free for a fraction of the cost...
So many better options without the staggering price tag !!!
PJ so your giving up your Mathews bow ?
Does it come left hand.?
Story time with PJ Riley once again 😂
I am still using my Hoyt Razortec I ordered 20 years ago! 32" axle to axle, witha 6.5" Brace height. I have Robinhood so many arrows at 20yds that I absolutely never shoot more than a single arrow at a time at a single target. So I stopped doing groups at 20yds long ago, 30yds my bow will group 1 to 2". I thought about replacing with a new Hoyt or PSE, my 2 favorite brands, but that itch never got strong enough. I did waste my money on a $1300 TenPoint crossbow that I never used 10 years ago that's sitting in my game room, brand spanking new.
Nice review PJ.
what sight is that?
I took the plunge and bought one. Pricy, pricy, pricy. My groups were not as good as PJ’s, until I made this change - stabilizers. This bow come alive with both a front and side stabilizer.
But wouldn’t any bow that’s paper tuned?
@@ET-sp6qm Don’t know, haven’t shot every bow.
Stabilizers seem to help 99 times out of 100
@@outdoorlife Some more than others. Didn’t do much for me on my V3X 33.
What scope is that??
I see the Mathews fan boi's are upset.
nothing beats single cam!
john Dudley made pse great again. I love my levitate
You misspelled ruined.
@@teamflanneloutdoors5631Explain your opinion? He's not my favorite personality but how on Earth could you say he had a negative impact at PSE?
@@teamflanneloutdoors5631yeah because being a top level archer with decades of experience in the industry and competition going into collaboration with a bow company is a bad thing because the unknown nobody said so. 🤣🤣🤣
Brace height is measured bow is at rest. That is what brace height is. It's always been the case. "Dynamic brace height" seems like a marketing ploy.
Absolutely. A big ol crock O snot. Draw force curves tell the tale every time. The bows they sell today are less shootable and no more efficient or fast than 15 years ago. If it weren't for the ignorance of youth bow manufacturers would be closing their doors or cutting prices back by 2/3rds at least.
PSE makes great bows.
My recurve is pretty good, too. My primitive wood bow is good also.
It's funny how the actual footage is like everything is wow & then u go into the comments and there's nothing but negativity... Pro tip: always go to the reviews/comments... Real people real experiences real answers
Everyone who has one seems to be loving theirs. The negativity seems to stem more from folks who don't have one and aren't open to trying something new.
Thats more than a premium rifle.
I’ve only ever shot a bow once and want this badly 😂
How would you compare last years winner the Elite ERA to this year's Mach 30?
The Era has less vibration and smoother draw. It's an incredibly fun bow to shoot and was very accurate. It also has the Elite features we like: 1/4" draw adjustment and SET.
But, for performance, accuracy, ease of holding on target, lightness, and forgiveness the Mach 30 DS is the way to go.
When you buy a $2k rifle/shotgun it appreciates, you can hand it down to your kids and grandkids.... keeps appreciating.
When you buy a $2k bow, its worth $500 in 2 years and nobody wants it. $2k for a bare bow that people will consider "obsolete" or "less lethal" next year is just, well, stupid.
I always have 2 compounds. I've bow hunted since I was 12 in 1991 (Bear whitetail 2 lol). Hunted 3 to 4 states since 1999. So I have one Flagship (Currently V3X) and I also have a mid-level backup bow (Bowtech Zion) in case something happens and I'm nowhere near my press etc. I don't go nuts like a lot of guys. About every 5-7yrs I'll get a new one. I hunt all of October with traditional gear, killed last years PA buck with a 1970s 55# Bear Grizzly recurve. Last yr OH buck was w the Zion. I've killed bucks with almost every brand, from every era. I've had at least 20 bows in last 33 yrs. I hunt enough to justify the costs. But its just not worth it anymore. Bow technology made huge jumps from 2007-2017 +/-. But now we're paying all this $$ for something maybe 1% better than last year. The V3 was my last flagship.
You guys/gals just starting, most of todays mid-level stuff was Flagship technology just a few years ago. So buy a solid mid-level bow. Spend the money on solid components, the best arrows and heads you can afford, then shoot it.... a LOT. Use that extra money to pay for taxidermy and hot sticks.
What are "hot sticks"?
Amazing. Until next year's bow
I invented and patented a compound bow that does not require a cable guard. An arrow is nocked the same way an arrow is nocked on any other compound bow. View TH-cam video "COMPOUND BOW NO CABLE GUARD". How can I get a bow tested with the MODIFIED CAM technology?
Gotta say I was worried about the new ownership but since this one and the others came out it’s clear pse is gonna try to dominate going forward and who wins the customers! 🤘🏻
Haven't tried PSE in years,just can't justify getting rid of my carbon spyder,always found pse verry harsh draw cycles,maybe they changed
The pse draw cycle changed with the evolve cam ,came in around 2016,2017
I still like my wood laminate bow 32” draw 60lb break shoots good to 75 yards? But coming from a 70lb recurve guess I just never shot a $1000 plus bow
To fork out $1799 for a bow it'd have to drive itself out to the tree stand and bag the buck itself! Cricky!
Compound bows are great for power and accuracy. Perfect for weekend hunters. If you truly need to survive, you can’t fix it without a professional bow shop and special equipment. Go traditional.
Not true at all I can disassemble and reassemble my compound in the field without a press. I shoot traditional as well and while it is fun, it is like getting out of my new pickup and into a horse and buggy and making a 300 mile trip. You will still get where you’re going. But not anytime soon.
Have shot a half a dozen brands, and my short ata matthews never have torque issues. Or i dont. 😂
I shot the Mach 30 and was shocked by how much it lunged and vibrated on me. Being so light it’s expected but it’s not exactly a miracle of a bow.
It's remarkable how he moves his bow arm away from the target soon as he shoots and still hit something.
Goes to show you just like bows, there’s preference for everyone
PJ uses increasing tension to activate his shot. That tension in his body has to go somewhere and it results in a follow through. The arrow is LONG GONE by the time his body reacts
I own the Lift 29.5 & the Mach 30 I agree with PJ not by much tho
An $1800 bow?? That's why bows like this are a waste, two years from now it'll be worth half that if you're lucky and two years after that it's a garage sale bow. I made the mistake of paying almost a grand for a PSE Mach 10 when it came out in the 90's, I'll never do that again and I absolutely love the PSE Mach series bows.
i made the mistake of spending over $1000 on my pse omen when it came out. never doing that again. Today, it's worth ...maybe $200 and people will still not buy it. it's still a good ass bow though. bows depreciate so fast vs guns. my $1000 gun i bought 10 yrs ago is still worth almost as much today.. :D
I have a 400 dollar diamond with sights rest an cable slide all custom an iv chrono at 311 fps but more importantly im super accurate an still spent a little over a quater of this bow price
I'll stick to my longbow and wood arrows...
Good for You. There is a site called the leather wall maybe you should visit that
So you backed it off and got better groups
We backed it off to make it equal to the other bows in the test. The one we had to work with was a 70-pound model and all others were 60-pound bows. Me, personally, I shoot it better at 70 pounds than at 60.
What does a hickorey stick cost. Im thinking of target archery as a hobby. Longbow preferred.
man id like to have one but at 1700 bucks, ill be sticking with my 30 yard trad bow haha
The arrows used have ( IMO ) more to do with the grouping than the actual bow itself .
We used the same arrows, Black Eagle Spartans, for all nine bows tested. They were all tuned to a bullet hole before testing.
$1800.00 for a bow?!?! It better pack the elk out for that price.
I wouldn’t be surprised here in the near future…..these hunting bows would perform just as good, or better than the norm of
“ Target “ bows 👍🙏 that would be awesome, and the best of both worlds👍🏹🏹🏹
Absolutely hilarious to see "adult men" falling into the Marketing Rabbit Hole. This really explains a lot about the " Purpose of Life" topic & what the future looks like.
Sounds awesome but no thanks on 30” ata
PSE is the king of carbon bows
Very interesting here…
40 inch bows are perfect for hunting.
$2000.00 + bow? WHY? Self made Long Bow, or my purchased 'Raptor' from Simon's Bow Company. 'Raptor' is a "Tartar Style" Ancient bow design. Thumb release and all, with Tartar/Turkish 'Raptor'. With both bows I get better than 1 inch groups(5 arrows@ 198 Raptor/167 Self Bow fps) at 25 yards.....Raptor cost $400eu? My $60.00 Marlin Model 60 .22...still shoots circles around most of the expensive .22 Target Chassis, blinged out guns I have come across. LEARN TO SHOOT and save your money! Not saying I wouldn't buy one though lol I am complicated 🤣🤣 Love me some Precision!🤷♂🤷♂ PSE was my my first love.
Shoot 5x 6 arrow groups. I
My pse baby g smokes arrows down the 30 yard fast too
Tough crowd so many butt hurt , why because he said something about a company they didn't spend there hard earned money on.
Welcome to the world of social media...
I can get a beautiful wood recurve bow for a fraction of the cost rather than carbon fiber, easier to restring too.
Hi BJ how it goin like the bow but I got ask there someone on here that could possible donate me left hand bow I m sorry feel like free loader but I got every thing I had stolen frome couple weeks ago they might not meant much thet all come from pawn shop they were ether to short or little long on draw length I'm pooran but that beside the point I really appreciate someone help me I don't have money go buy any more I'm left hand 28 half draw length 60 pds 70pds ether one ty
If Lancaster sells it, he's gonna love it! 🤔😉
Maybe they can improve the price.
I prefer my Rytera Alien XT and Martin 2012 Shadowcat
It's no good if it isn't quiet. Sounded pretty noisy to me. Also seems too heavy. I want my bow under 4 lbs or even less. Groups that tight at 50 yds, very impressive, but under 300fps and noisy, no deer is going to stand still for that.
Quiet bows are a myth. Been hunting for fifty years. Not one bow in the world is quiet enough that a deer won't hear it. Marketing hogwash.
Speed is not going to make up for noise I don’t care how fast your bow is unless it’s shooting faster than 1100 ft./s
I need one, send me one please.
I waited on this bow to come in before making my mind up and this Mach 30 was pure disappointment for that price point. Swing and miss by PSE.
Until they make the draw length adjustable to 32”, I’m not interested.
contraptions getting a little ridiculous
completely opposite review from MFJJ. He shit on this bow. I am surprised to see an honest review on the PSE and the fact the new matthews didn't make the top spot. PSE is a grossly underrated bow at this time. Many more matthews/hoyt fanboys should give PSE an honest shot.
Is that the guy who didn’t shoot the bow past five feet?