I gotta admit your plate method is something new for me, korean dude I learned from uses woods ranging from bamboo which is very tough itself to mulberry which is very brittle to garbage like birch and mountain pine and he'd always hammer the first layer into separate strands before gluing to the bow. On the other hand I've never made a 120 pound (or stronger) bow so perhaps i'll try doing it this way when I try some really "risky" constructions! Thanks for the video, always great to learn something new from a master craftsman
You are an amazing craftsman who has paid his dues in hours upon hours of experience. I make bows myself but could not in 10,000 years make one of those bows. Thank you....Lee
More people asked me, in which material does the sinew and the wood boiled? The wood is a plant-extract, which is fermented, and after that it is acidified. This material makes the wood's structure more rigid. There was handled the arrows with this same material, to shoot it also from strong bow, and don't twist them. The sinew is a protein-tincture (very liquid, and slightly alkaline). This material can made from milk too. After that, when this material dry together with the sinew, it could be fragile, and not to happen this, we should fix it (so there should be cross-binding between the proteins).
I think in America you can actually purchase the one used for sinews it in a powdered form online, I have no idea about the plant based liquid used for the wood, never had to process mine in this way (and I don't live in America anyway xD). I'm also pretty sure I've seen some guides online on how to make it (or similar one), again - only the milk way.
@@victorneto6014 That is an acid treatment with a natural material. It makes a little more carbonated the wood and makes it more durable. The horn is needed to be treated as well but with another material.
@@csabagrozer7557 Thank you for your answer Mr Grozer. I understand this maybe a secret and you do not wish to reveal to public what is that natural material. I respect your wish. I am just starting making bows in my free time. I am a helicopter Technician and I don´t know much about Chemistry. If you ever accept to reveal that secret material please use my personal e-mail vpsneto@gmail.com Great respect for you Sir. You make very beautifull Bows. Best luck and much success.
the decline of craftsmanship over the ages has made me both appreciate this video and also become sad at the future prospects for mankind given the current prevailing social consciousness of 'the world'
I bought my wife's Sythian bow for him in 2006 , not very expensive either and at 35 lbs. It's an awesome bow. It can shoot 240 or so yards with a 32" carbon arrow. He also paid test the bow and string Pink for her. So I say thanks ,this guy's a great bowyer.
A true crafts man. Amazed. I want to try this just as a crazy project. Many cultures use this method I was allways inteage how it works. Now I know. Thanks.
I'd really love to learn how to use those synthetic materials, it's a real pain to get horn and even sinew in my country, people don't like questions they don't not expect to hear so whenever I ask butchers about sinews they look like like I murdered their loved ones and asked if I could have theirs... Oh and horn? No water buffalos (or anything with large horns tbh) in a few thousands of km^2, while import duty costs so much it's comparable to to getting an off the shelf grozer bow lol
I've never seen somebody use a fashioned sinew strip as a base Before adding the sinew fibers. Maybe he's on to something. Absolutely beautiful bow, job well done!
You are a great bowyer though,I have two of your bows in my humble collection,my favourite being the Asyrian biocomposite bow, amazing bow @44lb draw it is a constant pleasure to shoot with ease...
Amazing ..... simply amazing thank you so much for sharing your ideas... you are so talented... lots of Love and respect from Manipur, India.. oh pliz tell me what do you add in the boiling water to make it red....
Elismerésem, és köszönöm az érdekes, értékes videót! Édesapám kölyökkoromban rendelt Öntől Debrecenbe egy 55#-osat (fekete), öcsémnek meg egy 35#-osat (fehér) lassan 20 éve, bár üvegszálasak, de még mindig szépen muzsikálnak! Azóta is azzal lövünk. Karácsonyra kaptuk, az egyiket hitelre - nagy örömöt szerzett vele! Ahogy "bemelegítette" az íjat ajzás előtt, már akkor láttam, milyen dinamikus íj lett ez!
I am an artist sculptor, inventor and great handyman since childhood. A 76 year old grandpa. For months, I have been bothering to cut bamboo blades with a plane and files to make Asian, Turkish, Mongolian arches etc. I won't hide from you that to hand plan a 9mm bamboo blade to arrive at 4 and 5 mm thick, moreover with a change in thickness along its length, it's a hassle. File in one hand and caliper in the other. I don't have a circular saw and an electric planer, damn. I have just bought from a seller of archery equipment in France large (reconstituted bamboo blades 5 cm wide and 1.90m long and 2mm thick.) For the manufacture of several bows for my little ones children and my daughter. the problem is, i'm broke and these bamboo blades cost me an arm even both. Can't find the original manufacturer which I think is from China? "It is not a certainty" I am looking for a distributor and the Asian manufacturer of these large reconstituted bamboo blades. Thank you Why are the handles of Turkish arches the other way around? I can't seem to get a good answer on this topic. ??? Can you help me find this maker? Thank you. Yours truly Patric
Ez az íj nagyon szép lett. Tetszik a sok szaru felület rajta. Én Önt tartom a legjobb tradicionális íjkészítőnek az országban. Van egy nomád G5 ősmagyar íjam már évek óta megvan nagyon szeretem. Csak így tovább!
Köszönöm a feltöltėst! Szemėly szerint már többször is próbálkoztam íj kėszítėssel. Nem jött be, de a most látott videó után ha sikerük kitapasztalnom hogy milyen páclė is lehet a fához talán sikerül. De minden esetre a magam 19 ėvėvel s tojáshėjal a valagamon meghajolok a mester elött. Szeretek a maga által kėszített íjakal lôni. Kedvencem egy öreg Szkíta 1 kb 32# de nagyon jó, a mostani 55# os nem Grózer íjamat is szeretem, de sulis bemutató napokon szívesebben tarhálom el s lövök azon kis idô alatt azzal. Remėlem valami hasonlót tudok ithon reprodukálni :). Gratulálok Mester, az íjkėszítėsben elėrt sikerekėrt!
it is a beatifull bow.Respect.I am from Austria. I would like to visit you in Hungary as soon as possible to pick up a beatifull bow.I am interrested in a Turkish or tatarian style bow.
Exelent work. Ive been playing around trying to make horn bows. I made 2 of them and they broke so i took them all apart and mede 2 more. This time they worked good. It blows my mind how u treat the sinew. How u prepare it. How u mix the glue. Wow. How did u learn that proses of gluing ?
Tehat a lenyeg vegul is, hogy a szukseges anyagokat a szukseges anyagokkal ossze allitjuk a szukseges modon a szukseges idoben. Ennel talan tobbet szeretnenk megtudni (szuksegszeruen). Egyebkent nagyra ertekelve a tevekenysegedet az ijkeszitessel kapcsolatosan.
WAOOU:-)..I WISH TO PURCHASE ..ALL .. YOUR HARD WORK. (BOWS). And Bless you for the heart you put into sharing the creation of Beautyfull Bows.more power to you all in Ukraine hope you are all well:-)TNBS -DENMARK
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Terrence Scott He is hungarian, not ukrain, but you are right, they need strenght.
game tendons are better, cow ext tendons have a high fat content and they spoil faster. at least thats what they used to say not sure it applys if you use modern glues with them. but they used to like the gamyest tendons they could get because they made bows that lasted the longest. cow was ofc available as where sheep but if you could get something gamy like a ibex it made a longer lasting bow than one of your sheep and im pretty sure cow is better than sheep not 100% but i know sheeps the fattiest meat it probably also goes for its tendons
what i find ridiculous is that these compound bows cost just as much as this HAND made bow. I just dont get how these mass produced bows cost so much. And for you Csaba all the time you spent making these awesome bows only ask for 1200 E? Very informative video thank you for sharing!!!
Hello, that is a good question. The normal price would be 1800-2000 euro. We sell these kind of bows for 1200 euro, so this way more people can buy it.
@@csabagrozer7557 i thought so. but you do also earn respect in a way that factorys dont, i found you where referred to by many of the other builders & archers i came across when i went looking for resources for getting back into bowering (havnt done it since i was a kid/teen, but my nana's last name was literally bowyer so id like to lock in at least some skills in my generation)
If you were to make a War Bow with a 100 pound draw, what would be the best Historical Style and what characteristics would this bow have, fantastic video, and I will be ordering a Bow from you in the near future.
Mr. Groser. This is a great video, just like your bows. Let me use fragments of your video in the preparation of the material about your bows? Links to this channel!
Bonjour Monsieur Grózer , c'est fantastique de vous voir travailler. Vous étes un grand artiste. Malheureusement je ne comprend pas l'Anglais. Je suis désolé. Pouvez vous me répondre à une question. Vous utilisez la colle de tendon pour coller les fibre de tendon. ou la grande lanière de tendon séchée, les deux morceaux que vous avez raccordé avec de la colle de tendon. Mais combien de temps de séchage avez vous eu ? avant d'enlever vos sert joints , de votre invention. C'est génial vos systèmes de serrage. Votre colle animale, c'est de la colle de peau de lapin je pense ?. Vous utilisez aussi de la colle de vessie natatoire d'esturgeon. Mais elle coute tres tres chère cette colle. Merci pour vos vidéos. Patrick Dupré de Montpellier / France.
I used to have a Grozer bow. A work of historical art.
This Guy, is an Absolute Wizard, of Bow Making‼️ my hats off to You, Mr. Grozer. You are Truly A Master, of Bow Making👍
I gotta admit your plate method is something new for me, korean dude I learned from uses woods ranging from bamboo which is very tough itself to mulberry which is very brittle to garbage like birch and mountain pine and he'd always hammer the first layer into separate strands before gluing to the bow. On the other hand I've never made a 120 pound (or stronger) bow so perhaps i'll try doing it this way when I try some really "risky" constructions! Thanks for the video, always great to learn something new from a master craftsman
a veces NO HAY PALABRAS para celebrar y felicitar a alguien que posee este arte,gracias por mostrar y de forma muy pedagogica,saludos.
You are an amazing craftsman who has paid his dues in hours upon hours of experience. I make bows myself but could not in 10,000 years make one of those bows. Thank you....Lee
A real privilege to watch, thank you Csaba. I shoot an old scythian these days I dream of owning one like this one day.
More people asked me, in which material does the sinew and the wood boiled? The wood is a plant-extract, which is fermented, and after that it is acidified.
This material makes the wood's structure more rigid. There was handled the arrows with this same material, to shoot it also from strong bow, and don't twist them.
The sinew is a protein-tincture (very liquid, and slightly alkaline). This material can made from milk too.
After that, when this material dry together with the sinew, it could be fragile, and not to happen this, we should fix it (so there should be cross-binding between the proteins).
What?
I think in America you can actually purchase the one used for sinews it in a powdered form online, I have no idea about the plant based liquid used for the wood, never had to process mine in this way (and I don't live in America anyway xD).
I'm also pretty sure I've seen some guides online on how to make it (or similar one), again - only the milk way.
Mr Grozer. Can you be more specific about the material for the wood boiled. The plant extract?
@@victorneto6014 That is an acid treatment with a natural material. It makes a little more carbonated the wood and makes it more durable. The horn is needed to be treated as well but with another material.
@@csabagrozer7557 Thank you for your answer Mr Grozer. I understand this maybe a secret and you do not wish to reveal to public what is that natural material. I respect your wish. I am just starting making bows in my free time. I am a helicopter Technician and I don´t know much about Chemistry. If you ever accept to reveal that secret material please use my personal e-mail vpsneto@gmail.com Great respect for you Sir. You make very beautifull Bows. Best luck and much success.
Gorgeous bow! Absolutely LOVE the old school technology used to make this bow.
Really fascinating! Thank you, and thank you for the English subtitles!
Lovely!!!!!
Mr. Grozer makes VERY hard work look so easy!
A true sign of a Master Craftsman..
Bravo!
Thank you!
the decline of craftsmanship over the ages has made me both appreciate this video and also become sad at the future prospects for mankind given the current prevailing social consciousness of 'the world'
I bought my wife's Sythian bow for him in 2006 , not very expensive either and at 35 lbs. It's an awesome bow. It can shoot 240 or so yards with a 32" carbon arrow. He also paid test the bow and string Pink for her.
So I say thanks ,this guy's a great bowyer.
Typos . I bought from him and he painted the bow pink.
Nagyon köszönöm a bemutatót.
Örömmel néztem végig
a videót.
Élmény volt.
Sok-sok sikert kívánok
a munkádhoz, és eredményes hosszú
Boldog életet. 👍🏻👍🏻
Genuine Craftmanship...Amazing work !
That took a good year to make. I love my Grozer Bow.
Gorgeous bow. Thank you for sharing
Absolutely Beautiful!!!!!
Thank you for the english subtitles.
Потрясающее видео / awesome video
You are an amazing, true craftsman... I cannot express.
Excellent skills and craftsmanship it turned out beautiful a lot of work went into this bow.👍👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👋🙏👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
WOW... Truly amazing, thank you.
With all that thing being glued, how it will curve in its final form is totally amazing, without tillering materials.
A true crafts man. Amazed. I want to try this just as a crazy project. Many cultures use this method I was allways inteage how it works. Now I know. Thanks.
beautiful work , an important skill to pass on
Thank you
beautiful bow, i only have epoxy fiber bow, gonna make one of these one day, thank you for showing this...
I'd really love to learn how to use those synthetic materials, it's a real pain to get horn and even sinew in my country, people don't like questions they don't not expect to hear so whenever I ask butchers about sinews they look like like I murdered their loved ones and asked if I could have theirs...
Oh and horn? No water buffalos (or anything with large horns tbh) in a few thousands of km^2, while import duty costs so much it's comparable to to getting an off the shelf grozer bow lol
@@Sk0lzky where do you live?
Very Nice work ... and very good Video ... i am working this time at my first hornbow as well ... hope it will be good too ... Nice time cu
Magnifique, Wonderful.
very impressive knowledge and excellent looking bow
Excellent bow I like it. Very good work sir! Greetings from Germany!
I've never seen somebody use a fashioned sinew strip as a base Before adding the sinew fibers. Maybe he's on to something. Absolutely beautiful bow, job well done!
you see it in eskimo & native american horn bows sometimes the sinew is just chewed on not really hammered out fully even before soaking
wonderful presentation, drop the music
Beautiful bow
You are a great bowyer though,I have two of your bows in my humble collection,my favourite being the Asyrian biocomposite bow, amazing bow @44lb draw it is a constant pleasure to shoot with ease...
Wouaw amazing work....👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏
Great Work!
I'm Ukrainian archer and fan Hungarian archery
Very nice bow 👍
I'm Indonesian archer
in your archery video it looks good
Amazing ..... simply amazing thank you so much for sharing your ideas... you are so talented... lots of Love and respect from Manipur, India.. oh pliz tell me what do you add in the boiling water to make it red....
Elismerésem, és köszönöm az érdekes, értékes videót! Édesapám kölyökkoromban rendelt Öntől Debrecenbe egy 55#-osat (fekete), öcsémnek meg egy 35#-osat (fehér) lassan 20 éve, bár üvegszálasak, de még mindig szépen muzsikálnak! Azóta is azzal lövünk. Karácsonyra kaptuk, az egyiket hitelre - nagy örömöt szerzett vele!
Ahogy "bemelegítette" az íjat ajzás előtt, már akkor láttam, milyen dinamikus íj lett ez!
Köszönöm szépen!
Muito boa a produção deste arco ....
wow the nuance of boiling the wood is amazing
I am an artist sculptor, inventor and great handyman since childhood. A 76 year old grandpa. For months, I have been bothering to cut bamboo blades with a plane and files to make Asian, Turkish, Mongolian arches etc. I won't hide from you that to hand plan a 9mm bamboo blade to arrive at 4 and 5 mm thick, moreover with a change in thickness along its length, it's a hassle. File in one hand and caliper in the other. I don't have a circular saw and an electric planer, damn. I have just bought from a seller of archery equipment in France large (reconstituted bamboo blades 5 cm wide and 1.90m long and 2mm thick.) For the manufacture of several bows for my little ones children and my daughter.
the problem is, i'm broke and these bamboo blades cost me an arm even both.
Can't find the original manufacturer which I think is from China? "It is not a certainty"
I am looking for a distributor and the Asian manufacturer of these large reconstituted bamboo blades. Thank you
Why are the handles of Turkish arches the other way around?
I can't seem to get a good answer on this topic. ???
Can you help me find this maker? Thank you.
Yours truly
Patric
amazing work thnx
I seen your bows man you are the bow God beautifully made an best I have ever seen
I have one of your bows on order, Looking forward to seeing my bow.
Nice artwork
Ez az íj nagyon szép lett. Tetszik a sok szaru felület rajta. Én Önt tartom a legjobb tradicionális íjkészítőnek az országban. Van egy nomád G5 ősmagyar íjam már évek óta megvan nagyon szeretem. Csak így tovább!
Köszönöm.
Szervusz régi barátom!
very nice bow
Nice work sir keep it up
Köszönöm a feltöltėst!
Szemėly szerint már többször is próbálkoztam íj kėszítėssel. Nem jött be, de a most látott videó után ha sikerük kitapasztalnom hogy milyen páclė is lehet a fához talán sikerül. De minden esetre a magam 19 ėvėvel s tojáshėjal a valagamon meghajolok a mester elött. Szeretek a maga által kėszített íjakal lôni. Kedvencem egy öreg Szkíta 1 kb 32# de nagyon jó, a mostani 55# os nem Grózer íjamat is szeretem, de sulis bemutató napokon szívesebben tarhálom el s lövök azon kis idô alatt azzal. Remėlem valami hasonlót tudok ithon reprodukálni :). Gratulálok Mester, az íjkėszítėsben elėrt sikerekėrt!
Superb job..
Kecskerágó. Priceless.
Turan traditional bow, think you maestro!!!!
it is a beatifull bow.Respect.I am from Austria. I would like to visit you in Hungary as soon as possible to pick up a beatifull bow.I am interrested in a Turkish or tatarian style bow.
You can order online
Best hand made bow in the world
What model is that finished horn bow in this video? Is it the Avar extra III horn bow or is it Hungarian extra iII
Türk yayı,dünyada bunun üstünde kullanışlı bir yay yoktur.🤘🇹🇷
Exelent work. Ive been playing around trying to make horn bows. I made 2 of them and they broke so i took them all apart and mede 2 more. This time they worked good. It blows my mind how u treat the sinew. How u prepare it. How u mix the glue. Wow. How did u learn that proses of gluing ?
I have made a lot of experiments with the glues, and with different materials.
Practice makes the master;-)
@@csabagrozer7557 why does those woods need that chemical treatment? They didn't use that in the old days
What protein based material do you recommend for soaking the sinews? Thank you.
animal hide glue
What substanve is it being boiled in
What material do you boil the wood in? Thanks.
Tehat a lenyeg vegul is, hogy a szukseges anyagokat a szukseges anyagokkal ossze allitjuk a szukseges modon a szukseges idoben. Ennel talan tobbet szeretnenk megtudni (szuksegszeruen). Egyebkent nagyra ertekelve a tevekenysegedet az ijkeszitessel kapcsolatosan.
WAOOU:-)..I WISH TO PURCHASE ..ALL .. YOUR HARD WORK. (BOWS). And Bless you for the heart you put into sharing the creation of Beautyfull Bows.more power to you all in Ukraine hope you are all well:-)TNBS -DENMARK
Terrence Scott He is hungarian, not ukrain, but you are right, they need strenght.
does anyone know what the liquid solution he was boiling the wood in was?
Beautiful. What is that protein based soaking material? 😊
what's the liquid you boil the wood in?
Amazing
Thank you
Awesome!
Thank you !
There are many similarities with traditional Korean bow. For example, cow tendons. It is similar to using buffalo horns
game tendons are better, cow ext tendons have a high fat content and they spoil faster. at least thats what they used to say not sure it applys if you use modern glues with them. but they used to like the gamyest tendons they could get because they made bows that lasted the longest. cow was ofc available as where sheep but if you could get something gamy like a ibex it made a longer lasting bow than one of your sheep and im pretty sure cow is better than sheep not 100% but i know sheeps the fattiest meat it probably also goes for its tendons
I got a year ago Turkish short biocomposite bow 54# from Grozer, worth all the money I paid.
I was hoping to experiment with Osage orange as a wood core, would that be a waste of time if it was highly reflexed?
what a bow making master
what i find ridiculous is that these compound bows cost just as much as this HAND made bow. I just dont get how these mass produced bows cost so much. And for you Csaba all the time you spent making these awesome bows only ask for 1200 E? Very informative video thank you for sharing!!!
Hello, that is a good question. The normal price would be 1800-2000 euro. We sell these kind of bows for 1200 euro, so this way more people can buy it.
@@csabagrozer7557 i thought so. but you do also earn respect in a way that factorys dont, i found you where referred to by many of the other builders & archers i came across when i went looking for resources for getting back into bowering
(havnt done it since i was a kid/teen, but my nana's last name was literally bowyer so id like to lock in at least some skills in my generation)
Nagyon jó ez a videó.Végre láttam hogyan készül egy Íj.Nagyon sok munka van egy Íjban,és most már azt is tudom miért kerülnek annyiba.
If you were to make a War Bow with a 100 pound draw, what would be the best Historical Style and what characteristics would this bow have, fantastic video, and I will be ordering a Bow from you in the near future.
We have made more War bows, for example Turkish.
A master craftsman...…..
Thank you
Mr. Groser. This is a great video, just like your bows. Let me use fragments of your video in the preparation of the material about your bows? Links to this channel!
Excellent 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🐺🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿 like our bows
Awesome, beautiful bow but it didn’t seem that fast.
Tell this to the 4th and 5th century european citizens.
what glue did he use?
Where to see and buy in Hungary
Good Job Mr Grozer, are you also shot with thumb ring?
First / первый
Awsom
👍
great.
whats in the liquid you boil the bow in?
In what do you soak sinew at the beginning?
hermoso arco, estoy recolectando materiales para hacer uno igual
What about technical - tactical data of this bow ? Power ? Optimal arrow characteristics ? Initial velocity ? Range ?
The bow is 60#.
Wow!!!!👍
What glue do you use for sinew?
Mr Grozer whats about cornus mas?
👌
in whic material are you boiling wood
you boil the wood in just water... or there some thing else?
Bonjour Monsieur Grózer , c'est fantastique de vous voir travailler. Vous étes un grand artiste. Malheureusement je ne comprend pas l'Anglais. Je suis désolé. Pouvez vous me répondre à une question. Vous utilisez la colle de tendon pour coller les fibre de tendon. ou la grande lanière de tendon séchée, les deux morceaux que vous avez raccordé avec de la colle de tendon. Mais combien de temps de séchage avez vous eu ? avant d'enlever vos sert joints , de votre invention. C'est génial vos systèmes de serrage. Votre colle animale, c'est de la colle de peau de lapin je pense ?. Vous utilisez aussi de la colle de vessie natatoire d'esturgeon. Mais elle coute tres tres chère cette colle. Merci pour vos vidéos. Patrick Dupré de Montpellier / France.
Grózer úr! a szarulemezt puszta főzéssel lehet ennyire puhává tenni? nagyon szép íjakat készít.
Nem csak főzéssel.
gondolom a többi műhelytitok :)