Very good idea, in real life, F1 cars are not designed for Indy 500 or Daytona 500, because they don't have electric motor recharging without braking zones. You'd use up your battery and be left with the combustion engine.
@@aaron_r6611 Exactly. The only real issue is the transmission. Because they have to use one gear ratio for the whole season (and the F1 season doesn't contain that long flat out passages), they peak way too early the way they are. But assuming they'd have Indy and Daytona (the ovals) in the calendar, they'd definitely use different gearboxes and would smoke both Indy and Nascar. It's just a question of how much money they put into F1 vs. how much money they put into the US series.
@@11mousa there are tracks on the F1 calender with longer straights than the back stretch of Daytona or Talledega. Look up Baku, Monza, China, Bahrain just to name a few. Also, they use an 8 speed transmission, with more than enough torque at lower gears, they can run higher ratios for 6,7,8 gears easily. Plus F1 cars have DRS, which at a track like Daytona would be borderline OP.
@@nathanwho1384 there are tracks with longer straights, yes. But all of those have heavy breaking zones and stop and go passages, where a longer ratio would make them overall slower. Only on two tracks in the calendar (Monza and I think Austria) they would slightly benefit from a longer ratio, whereas they would be significantly slower on all other tracks (they need to use the same ratio for all tracks).
I disliked, I am not offended. It's really boring and the repetitive sound is annoying af. So I just don't like the video. This is what the dislike button is there for you know.
@@scoobyruuuu Nope, ever heard of tuning, they could easily make the engines run on lower rpms to prevent overheating, they sure as hell wouldn’t do 14k rpm on a circuit where the brakes are pretty much useless
I would love to see the nascar without the restrictor plate so it could really unleash the horses, its a shame we dont get to see them do what they were built to do and thats go fast (and suck at cornering 🤣) although next gen is really cool and a step in a right direction
@@Vinnay94 f1 would probably fly off from a Nascar track that track is for slow cars f1 are light and fast they would have been in audience if they went all in on a Nascar track
@@kiraamv5507 NASCAR ovals aren't for slow cars. You obviously didn't watch old school NASCAR with out the restrictor plates. Nor do you watch IndyCar which have higher top speeds. Your ignorance is showing. You're not a fan of automobile racing, you just like suck F1's 🍆.
I’d love to see something like this in real life, a car bred to go around ovals vs a car never meant for one on an oval track. I’d be very interested to see how the tires are affected, because we know the compound on the nascars can handle the steep angles of the track, but physics show the F1 car’s tyres would destroy themselves on the banks. So in essence, while the F1 car is lighter and has far more downforce, it’s still limited by cornering forces on the tyres. Seeing who could outlast who on a 25 lap stint would be epic to watch and if I were a betting man, I’d say the nascar would make up a lot of ground really close to the end of the 25 laps.
Think of IMSA series racing. Different classes and makes all on the same track. I'd say 10 F1 cars, 10 Indy cars, and 10 NASCAR Cup cars on Talladega for an exhibition race/test experiment. Set the Indy and F1 cars speed to the limit of the Cup cars to be fair or vice versa as far as safety will allow and see which series has the better aero package, drivers, and mechanics. We know which series has the most money to lose so start with F1. Thats what I'd like to see. Oh and did I mention that talladega is know for speed and wild wrecks?
@red_array Restrictor plates aren't that old...i remember as a kid the first race they did them and it sucked, but as a couple races unfolded we discovered good things....like Earnhardt absolutely mastering pack racing and you always got "The Big One"
@red_array yeah for sure...some of Bill Elliott's and Geoff Bodine's track records from the 80s and 90s are unbelievable. Bodine 197mph in Atlanta still boggles my mind
The F1 car could adjust the suspension geometry to counteract the problem with the banking. So the reason they had all those issues at Indianapolis that year with the banking was because the cars still had to have the suspension geometry set up to make all the other turns on the road course. If the car was going to strictly be going around the oval, they could put a similar set up on their suspension on the car as Indy Cars do when they are on oval tracks. Then put the lowest amount of downforce possible on the car. I think the tires would perform just fine. Obviously the NASCAR tires would outlast any F1 tire, but the compounds are intended to. But I don’t think the F1 car would have an issue making it around Daytona 25 times with the hardest compound tires on the car. I also think it would finish 3 to 4 laps ahead of the NASCAR.
It’s weird right because the F1 car would accelerate way faster but honestly if you unrestricted the NASCAR engines you would probably have very similar top speeds if not higher top speeds for the stock car. The F1 car would definetly corner faster but in the straights it would be very close maybe even advantage for the stock car. At that speed weight doesn’t mean nearly as much as Aero and although the F1 cars are downforce monsters at a 2.5 mile oval downforce just becomes drag that slows the car down. Combine that with the fact that open wheel cars create a lot more drag and turbulence at high speeds than a stock car would and I honestly think the stock car would be going 230-235 while the F1 car would top out at about 225-230 with DRS and ERS. So it would be close.
@@TERRAJOVEM6000 I don’t really speak Portuguese but from my knowledge of Italian I think you said “F1 is more slow, like it or not” which doesn’t really make sense since I’m saying I think the stock car would be faster.
@@TERRAJOVEM6000 in certain cases f1 would be faster and other cases it might bit slower. If you take the f1/indy cars into 1.5-2.0 mile track it definitely kick stock cars but because it will have the corner speed. Stock cars has more restricted motors if you take that out on 2.5mile oval such as daytona and talladega it would be similar. Rusty Wallace did a test at talladega and took out the restrictor plates from the motor he was going about 240 and the tires only lasted I think it was like 2 or 3 laps. That was with the stock car. I can look for the video and post it if you like. So you can see what I'm talking about.
They did this some years back with Lewis Hamilton. I don't remember the name of the Nascar driver, but when he swapped to drive the F1 car, he said it was the fastest car he's ever been in.
@@Bolt_theG35 actually I believe it was Tony Stewart at Watkins Glen. Gordon did a seat swap with Montoya back in the early 2000s when Juan was still at Williams
Place both on an F1 grid. That would be cool. But since it’s on an oval the F1 could lose the wings and pick up more pace. As is, the down force is robbing a ton of speed on the open stretches of this exercise.
Well was the Stock Car restricted or not? NASCAR restricts them to keep them from going over 200 mph at Daytona for safety reasons. Unrestricted they can exceed 220 and possibly 230. The F1 car would have probably eventually caught up but the video didn’t disclaim that.
I actually don't think it would catch up. The banking is enough to keep the cup car close to flat out and the formula 1 car engine doesn't have near the power continuously. It would be down a couple hundred HP with no clear aero drag advantage.
@@HieuTran-ck7oe the fastest an F1 car has ever gone was 231 mph in Mexico. A NASCAR will easily exceed 200 mph unrestricted and Scott Dixon won the poll at the Indianapolis 500 this year with a top speed of 243 mph. I know exactly how fast these cars go.
@@HieuTran-ck7oe that’s a very subjective question that can only be answered with a very subjective answer. In a straight line and on a road course, of course not, an F1 car is much faster than a nascar because it’s designed for those kind of tracks and has such short gearing, and it’s aerodynamically designed for maximum downforce through corners. On a track like Daytona or Talladega however, if the nascar was unrestricted, it more than likely would be faster, especially in tandem racing; in other words two F1 cars vs two nascars, the nascars will probably be faster because that’s what the nascar is designed to do; two nascars are faster than one. The F1 car has way too much downforce/drag and too short of gearing which will more than likely make the F1 car suffer on the 31 degree banking at Daytona and Talladega, and it’s hybrid engine would be pretty much useless on a track like that. The F1 car just isn’t designed for that kind of track, so it’s possible the nascar could be faster on a big oval like that.
I like how everyone is talking about if you remove restriction plate from the stock the car it would do 240mph. F1 with the restriction will do 240mph with low drag aero setup. And if we remove restriction it will probably do over 300mph. Donno who told NASCAR fan that F1 doesn't have restrictions. These are some of the restrictions just on the engine alone: Engine Size limit Restriction on Type of engine Fuel-flow rate limit Fuel-injection pressure limit Engine RPM limit Power Output limit
There's no probably it would clear 300. Hell the nascar might at Talladega by now at least until it gets into a turn. Everything in racing would come down to tire development if the gloves were taken off by now because unless some big development changed it racing would be always be limited to what the tire could withstand by now. Both the current F1 and nascar would look like moving glacier shitboxes in comparison and would bore you to tears if all restrictions were taken off, so saying if this or that one restriction was taken off is pointless and arbitrary. F1 would literally look half alien to modern eyes lol
For one , the present F1 car could probably make a few laps , but the screaming F1 cars naturally aspirated would blow up within a lap , those engines need load all the time . I would have used an Indy car for this comparison , and two . the present nascar would be soooooo much faster without restrictor plates . Virtual rality is the only way you could have a race like this , which i enjoy
It's actually dependant, forced induction is allowed they also just have hefty regulations to actually slow them down such as fuel flow restrictions, limited boost level, lower rev limiter, and the turbocharger (superchargers are allowed, however, all constructors opted for the turbo). There are hefty build restrictions in comparison to F1 than NASCAR because of the complexity of the cars and how they operate. These engines wouldn't blow up after a few laps they'd be worn down but in no serious danger until around the 500-600 laps area unless something was already seriously long this is why we tend to see retirements due to engine failure (if the team hasn't already opted to potentially take the grid penalty or swapped out parts before race weekend) around the middle part of the mid season or nearing its tail end.
We all know there would be no contest for the Mercedes F1 on the Daytona roval course, but I wonder how much faster an IndyCar would be compared to the Mercedes F1 on the high banked oval?
It wouldn't, F1 cars never run a downforce spec low enough to reflect how powerful the engines are. If an F1 team were to race their car against Indycars we would see a super low downforce spec. F1 cars have hit the area around 380kph with a lot of downforce on now can you imagine if they trim all of it? Modren F1 cars have the most efficient and complex engines ever built and reach 1000HP compared to the 650 of indycar. You can say Indycar engines are closer to F2 than F1.
@@ruben_m8907 The most recent V10 era cars would probably beat Indy but the current hybrids? Once the battery runs out I don't think so. Big power losses. Not to mention, bending the rules changing to down-force set ups never seen isn't really a good answer. By the same logic, let's fit DRS and modern aero to the F2004 and see how it compares to the modern F1 cars. We're talking about cars in their natural form. Indy gets thrashed by F1 on the Road for sure but on an oval? Not for me.
@@stevenhickenjr pretty much. Likely with a hybrid setup, AWD, upgraded engine, higher downforce, an IRL Indycar could easily beat an F1 car around a road course. Kind of a stupid argument. If we are assessing cars, it needs to be in pure form, not some what if.
@@jeremiahd2417 True but also if you took the restrictor plates off of NASCARS, NASCARS would average 260-270 MPH lol it would be insane speed you can even look it up to.
@@stevenhickenjr well the bhp of the combustion engine is 750hp, and changing aerodynamics setup is completely legal in F1, all teams run very different rear and front wings in Monza compared to Monaco, I don’t see what would be the problem running even less downforce in an oval
Come on, it's Cole Trickle! " before your car weighed have as much and your tires were twice as wide, now your car weighs twice as much and your tires are half as wide and you're burning them up "
In the real world the speed would probably be pretty even. Nascar runs a tapered spacer at Daytona that limits them to 450 HP. The F1 car would run out hybrid battery so fast and not be able to recover it because the car is wide open the whole time.
The combustion engine on F1s is over 750hp tough, still more than enough. Reliability is on point too, the real thing that would create problems for the F1 are tyres
not exactly, the mercedes would still trump them but it would take longer, individually, the highest performing NASCAR Toyotas can only grt to around 195mph at daytona, tagether they could theoretically clock in 210mph when working together
@@kieranchadderton3894 i think 210 is being optimistic. I know quite a bit about nascar. Alone they do about 188 190 because of the restrict or plate on the intake. Bump drafting they would be more likely to get 205 in a perfect world. What I don’t know, is F1 cars lol
That is true that F1 cars average a 22 MPH top speed but if you took the restrictor plates(Restrictor plates are devices installed between the carburetor and intake manifold that restrict the amount of air and fuel entering the engine's combustion chamber causing the NASCARS to always be at a even pace. (Basically limits the amount of speed that NASCARS use.)) off of NASCARS they would average 20 MPH+ top speed and be faster than F1 cars.
Fun fact (if memory serves), road america races, in Elkhart lake Wisconsin, in 2021 had both the NASCAR and MotoAmerica Superbikes clocking similar lap times!
So it takes at least three full laps around Daytona to catch up to the stock car. Most impressive Mitsos. I'll admit it as well. F1 is way faster than Nascar I can guarantee that.
@@schizoidforjesus Well that's for the road courses in NASCAR. They added that quite some time back but it's becoming a full guarantee race in the rain in NASCAR. But F1 they deal with it and race in the rain like they're legends even if they aren't.
I wish we could get an accurate representation of an unrestricted modern stock car to fully unleash its power they were going 212 in the 80s just imagine what they could go now, iracing’s unrestricted car can go up to 260ish mph
But the nascar Is way slower and it’s only built to do that we need to try this rest on a f1 track see if the Americans have managed to handle corners yet
@@essexginge9167 you Europeans ever heard of google? Have you used it to figure out about a mysterious series of open wheel racing called “indycar” 😱 ikr so difficult for you guys to do but trust me it exists. And guess what, they race mostly street circuits and road courses but ALSO ovals. Complete madness. You guys should get caught up
@@Kilo-sz4ch Eh, I’m European and most F1 fans (for example on the F1 subreddit) know that it isn’t about corners and what not. The whole series spec is different, budgets are different, and there’s good engineering going on everywhere. www.grandprix247.com/2018/04/10/porsche-lmp1-breaks-formula-1-lap-record-at-spa/ is the perfect example of why series spec/restrictions are the thing that defines speed.
It would be cool if F1 were to include traditional NASCAR ovals with steep almost vertical banks into its list of races. Have 1 NASCAR style race every year. I think the velocity the F1 cars would pick up racing in an oval would probably reach dangerous proportions. They might have to put in limiters to make the car safer to drive on such a track.
Nascar cars are limited on the biggest tracks (Daytona and Talladega) from 780hp to around 520. They would do 400 km/h without restrictions easy. With only 4 gears and a weight of 1 and a half tons
@@JUSTRACINGYT lmao im just trying to balance out the comments about which car would be faster without restrictions, nascar has the higher preference right now
In 1986, Road and Track did a test at a test track (8 mile oval) between Al Holbert’s 962 and Tim Richmond’s Monte Carlo SS. It wasn’t even close even with LeMans gearing. Richmond won like 235 to 220. We’ll never see this in real life, but Cup cars in the right setting are massively fast. F1 cars are quick and fast, but aren’t optimized at all for an oval.
@@coolfred2832 Because they are more restricted. The record speed of an unrestricted stock car was 271.8 MPH but without a draft and the restricted engines, they run 180 around Daytona. Almost 90 MPH is dropped from these restrictions.
Both types of racing are interesting in their own way. NASCAR is more about driver endurance, and allows for more competitive racing because drivers can actually use their bumpers. They also focus on safety, not having a death since Dale Earnhardt back in 2001. F1 is more about precision and raw speed, with cars that are designed to go really fast but not make any contact. Both forms of racing require tons of athleticism and talent, so comparing the two in terms of which one is better is like comparing apples to bricks
What are you talking about? F1 cars run faster on more difficult tracks. How in the world NASCAR is “more competitive” than F1 is beyond me. NASCAR have more non-fatal injuries, whilst having just 4 less fatal injuries during races. Love both types of racing, but your comment is a little bit unfair.
I’m nascar (pre-2019) the package was around 750 hp and the aerodynamics of a brick. All that power to the rear wheels in a car that doesn’t want to turn or do anything well. Not to mention the other 30-40 drivers that also have the same problem and are pushing the issue to try to come out on top. Nascar is very competitive. Also now we run 660 hp with less downforce so you have to manhandle the race car. I’m not dissing f1. I respect in it it’s own way but it’s just all about being smooth and dirty air controls everything (also kinda did in nascar) but to me, nascar is more competitive and has some of the best racing.
@@sankara90 Well joe its like this. Count how many times you see a pass in a F1 race and how many you see in a NASCAR race. THats why. F1 they just follow each other around the track, the winner is determined by qualifiing.
F1 cars could change the set up quite a lot to become better in this environment. They run less downforce at certain tracks. In this scenario they could run even less downforce than Monza. Plus with f1 levels of R&D I'm sure creating an optimised Oval setup while staying within f1 rules wouldn't take too long for the richer teams.
@@seven5677 I have heard of it, and it does sound amazing, but I grew up watching NASCAR around the turn of the century, and didn't start watching F1 until the turbo hybrid era.
If the cup car was unrestricted there wouldn't be much difference with the F1 car with all its drag/downforce. Cup car would be running 240+mph on the straights. The F1 car driver would probably black out from the G force if it was trimmed out and geared for top speed.
G-force? F1 drivers regularly drive with up to 6 Gs so I don't think you need to worry about that. Also restrictor plates wouldn't increase it to 240 more like topping out closer to 230 rather than 240+. It would be close without restrictor plate if using f1 tires but still f1 would win
NASCAR cars only use petrol and have a big spoiler on the back on. For speedways they only have 500 horsepower. The f1 car has 1,000 by the engine alone. See the difference now
Unrestricted F1 versus a NASCAR with its restrictive plate (because that’s a fair fight). 🤣🤣🤣 Take the plate off of that NASCAR and let’s see how it goes. These cup cars unrestricted are capable of over 220 easy. NASCAR did a test about 10 years ago at Daytona with unrestricted cars and said the cars were way to fast because of the aero they now have.
F1 generates way more drag than a Stock Car, and it has a similar top speed, an F1 car without aero would obliterate even a Bugatti Chiron in straightline speed
Hmmmm I see the reunite between Lightning McQueen and Francesco Bernoulli is epic
Glock'd
@@sebastianL42 ah fuck sake
Mercedes is German so it's Franz Bernold 😂
@@olipapa7436 lol
Before he lost at italian GP he is now francesco bruhnuli
This whole video:
NEEEEOOOWWWWMMMM
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NEEEEEOOOWWWWWMM!
This video reminds me of nascar races
lol
My favorite part was when they were both flat out.
AHHHHH so you mean the entire thing?
@@dhruvnarain3948 r/missedthejoke
@@jimmy_ww298 that isnt even a subreddit? plus i was joking as well
😂😂😂
@@dhruvnarain3948 r/wooosh
It's fun to see the differences between these two kinds of racing. Although, I really hate that people take these kinds of comparison so seriously.
ikr
yEaH buT F1 iS beTtEr
@@bloba4443 It's better if you like to nap.
Sameee
I agree, it's apples and oranges.
Told you that Francesco isn't lying,he really is triple speed
Lol
Lol yeah and I miss the old sound than hybrid era
@@mrdllo1731 it’s German you muppet, you’re seriously using the color…
@@mrdllo1731 are italians red and green
@@mrdllo1731 african countries dont have black flags
i loved it when they went nyoom
Ngl it was sick when they did that
Very good idea, in real life, F1 cars are not designed for Indy 500 or Daytona 500, because they don't have electric motor recharging without braking zones. You'd use up your battery and be left with the combustion engine.
Dang your comment just actually explained so much to me about the difference between the capabilities of an f1 car and a stock car. Thank you✨
Although I believe they still make 750 hp without the EM's
@@aaron_r6611 Exactly. The only real issue is the transmission. Because they have to use one gear ratio for the whole season (and the F1 season doesn't contain that long flat out passages), they peak way too early the way they are. But assuming they'd have Indy and Daytona (the ovals) in the calendar, they'd definitely use different gearboxes and would smoke both Indy and Nascar. It's just a question of how much money they put into F1 vs. how much money they put into the US series.
@@11mousa there are tracks on the F1 calender with longer straights than the back stretch of Daytona or Talledega. Look up Baku, Monza, China, Bahrain just to name a few.
Also, they use an 8 speed transmission, with more than enough torque at lower gears, they can run higher ratios for 6,7,8 gears easily. Plus F1 cars have DRS, which at a track like Daytona would be borderline OP.
@@nathanwho1384 there are tracks with longer straights, yes. But all of those have heavy breaking zones and stop and go passages, where a longer ratio would make them overall slower. Only on two tracks in the calendar (Monza and I think Austria) they would slightly benefit from a longer ratio, whereas they would be significantly slower on all other tracks (they need to use the same ratio for all tracks).
Let the record show that over 1,400 people genuinely got offended by a video game.
Edit: make that 2,500 people now.
And they were all from the USA
I'm from the U.S but I'm a fan of F1 as opposed to Nascar.
@@MiguelHernandez-ev7wd sure thing "Miguel Hernandez"
@@QuickNickGT yes sir!
I disliked, I am not offended. It's really boring and the repetitive sound is annoying af.
So I just don't like the video.
This is what the dislike button is there for you know.
If the Stock Cars didnt have restrictor plates at daytona It would take longer for F1 car to catch up
If this track had corners it would take shorter for the F1 to catch up.
And if was real life the formula 1 engine would blow by the backstretch on the second lap.
@@scoobyruuuu Nope, ever heard of tuning, they could easily make the engines run on lower rpms to prevent overheating, they sure as hell wouldn’t do 14k rpm on a circuit where the brakes are pretty much useless
@@broshido2745 you're a moron life isn't a video game where tuning is the answer!!!
The f1 cars are restricted on what they can do aswell to a certain point, but I get your point
This man predicted the Rocket League Season 3 trailer
I'm just intoxicated by the noise of that V8 engine,revving over 9500 RPM on ethanol
NASCAR doesn't use ethanol. NASCAR fuel is Sunoco Green E15, a 98 octane, unleaded fuel
i mean its a video game. so its not really powered by ethanol. unless your pc is ethanol powered.
@@soulfly3438 ethanol cooled
@@true_neutral3378 I’ve found Dexicool concentrate works best. No point in adding water
Lol nascar doesn't use that crap
Watching this... took me 5mins to work out it wasn’t real!?! Haha
U can tell withing the first few seconds of the video and you can definitely tell from the sound
Iam amazed it took you *THAT LONG* to notice
@@BigBrex0124 hes prolly quite old you can tell straight away these graphics are alright at best 😂
@@LFXGaming 🙄
@@BigBrex0124 you niggas need a life if you are getting this angry
The video isn’t even five minutes long xD
2 Tracks that I’d like to see
1. Charlotte Motor Speedway Road Course (2019-2021 version)
2. Utah Motorsport Campus full layout
I’d prefer but Indyroad course but charlotte is my home track so I’d like to see it at Charlotte
3 lap battle from Gran Turismo 4 vibes. Im loving it
could have made the same video with Mercedes vs Williams 2020 car.
The Alpine car would dominate
Or haas
Even Hass vs Williams hahahahahaha
Or Haas vs Haas
(Haas F1 vs Stewart Haas)
On an oval track performance would be similar.
Makes you wonder what an F1 race at Daytona would look like.
Id be interested to see them race at the Daytona road course, but i’d prefer if they went back to Indianapolis instead of Miami
@@OumuamuaOumuamua that Miami circuit is fantastic though
@@eats4cheaps305 I think it’s alright
Without a restrictor plate rusty Wallace was doing 228 at Daytona. It would be very interesting to see the F1 car , Nascar simulation of that
J.C. ..............and that was 20 years ago , but the cup car could sure dirty up that air that F 1 needs !!!!!!!
@@dannycalley7777 F1 2022 cars say no.
Look up bill elliott unrestricted coors car..i believe 142mph
I would love to see the nascar without the restrictor plate so it could really unleash the horses, its a shame we dont get to see them do what they were built to do and thats go fast (and suck at cornering 🤣) although next gen is really cool and a step in a right direction
They have to restrict power, otherwise you'll have way more deadly crashes.
@@Vinnay94 f1 would probably fly off from a Nascar track that track is for slow cars f1 are light and fast they would have been in audience if they went all in on a Nascar track
@@kiraamv5507 NASCAR ovals aren't for slow cars. You obviously didn't watch old school NASCAR with out the restrictor plates. Nor do you watch IndyCar which have higher top speeds.
Your ignorance is showing. You're not a fan of automobile racing, you just like suck F1's 🍆.
Restrictor plates exist for a good reason, nobody wants to see these guys killed
GOK 13 ................no restrictor plate and the Cup Car could keep him in dirty air ?????
This reminds me of the rocket league season 3 trailer
Yes it does
I thought of the same
"Get in there, Lewis!"
That stock car sounds very realistic.
I’d love to see something like this in real life, a car bred to go around ovals vs a car never meant for one on an oval track. I’d be very interested to see how the tires are affected, because we know the compound on the nascars can handle the steep angles of the track, but physics show the F1 car’s tyres would destroy themselves on the banks. So in essence, while the F1 car is lighter and has far more downforce, it’s still limited by cornering forces on the tyres. Seeing who could outlast who on a 25 lap stint would be epic to watch and if I were a betting man, I’d say the nascar would make up a lot of ground really close to the end of the 25 laps.
I agree.
Think of IMSA series racing. Different classes and makes all on the same track. I'd say 10 F1 cars, 10 Indy cars, and 10 NASCAR Cup cars on Talladega for an exhibition race/test experiment. Set the Indy and F1 cars speed to the limit of the Cup cars to be fair or vice versa as far as safety will allow and see which series has the better aero package, drivers, and mechanics. We know which series has the most money to lose so start with F1. Thats what I'd like to see. Oh and did I mention that talladega is know for speed and wild wrecks?
@red_array Restrictor plates aren't that old...i remember as a kid the first race they did them and it sucked, but as a couple races unfolded we discovered good things....like Earnhardt absolutely mastering pack racing and you always got "The Big One"
@red_array yeah for sure...some of Bill Elliott's and Geoff Bodine's track records from the 80s and 90s are unbelievable. Bodine 197mph in Atlanta still boggles my mind
The F1 car could adjust the suspension geometry to counteract the problem with the banking. So the reason they had all those issues at Indianapolis that year with the banking was because the cars still had to have the suspension geometry set up to make all the other turns on the road course. If the car was going to strictly be going around the oval, they could put a similar set up on their suspension on the car as Indy Cars do when they are on oval tracks. Then put the lowest amount of downforce possible on the car. I think the tires would perform just fine. Obviously the NASCAR tires would outlast any F1 tire, but the compounds are intended to. But I don’t think the F1 car would have an issue making it around Daytona 25 times with the hardest compound tires on the car. I also think it would finish 3 to 4 laps ahead of the NASCAR.
Doesn't that make it like a one lap magic in Gran Turismo 4 driving missions lol
Now let’s see how good the F1 car does against blocking and bumping😉😂😂😂
It’s weird right because the F1 car would accelerate way faster but honestly if you unrestricted the NASCAR engines you would probably have very similar top speeds if not higher top speeds for the stock car. The F1 car would definetly corner faster but in the straights it would be very close maybe even advantage for the stock car. At that speed weight doesn’t mean nearly as much as Aero and although the F1 cars are downforce monsters at a 2.5 mile oval downforce just becomes drag that slows the car down. Combine that with the fact that open wheel cars create a lot more drag and turbulence at high speeds than a stock car would and I honestly think the stock car would be going 230-235 while the F1 car would top out at about 225-230 with DRS and ERS. So it would be close.
F 1 é o mais lento, queira ou nao
@@TERRAJOVEM6000 I don’t really speak Portuguese but from my knowledge of Italian I think you said “F1 is more slow, like it or not” which doesn’t really make sense since I’m saying I think the stock car would be faster.
@@TERRAJOVEM6000 in certain cases f1 would be faster and other cases it might bit slower. If you take the f1/indy cars into 1.5-2.0 mile track it definitely kick stock cars but because it will have the corner speed. Stock cars has more restricted motors if you take that out on 2.5mile oval such as daytona and talladega it would be similar. Rusty Wallace did a test at talladega and took out the restrictor plates from the motor he was going about 240 and the tires only lasted I think it was like 2 or 3 laps. That was with the stock car. I can look for the video and post it if you like. So you can see what I'm talking about.
Rusty Wallace did a test at dega without the restrictor plates and did a out 240mph
Take off rev limiter from f1 engine and it would go upto 19000 revs. Now whose talking
They did this some years back with Lewis Hamilton. I don't remember the name of the Nascar driver, but when he swapped to drive the F1 car, he said it was the fastest car he's ever been in.
Jeff Gordon
@@Bolt_theG35 actually I believe it was Tony Stewart at Watkins Glen. Gordon did a seat swap with Montoya back in the early 2000s when Juan was still at Williams
Jimmie Johnson also did a swap with Fernando Alonso at McLaren a couple of years back
It was Tony Stewart. Think Mobil1 sponsorship has something to do with it also.
Place both on an F1 grid. That would be cool. But since it’s on an oval the F1 could lose the wings and pick up more pace. As is, the down force is robbing a ton of speed on the open stretches of this exercise.
However the lateral force on the tires would destroy the F1 car’s race after about one lap.
Felt a little slow to me too
@@benk7849 not if they removed a lot of the downforce
FYI it's not called a NASCAR, it's either a stock car or NASCAR Cup Car. NASCAR is the organisation.
"Stock" car
or. National association of stock car auto racing cars
@@dhruvnarain3948 Just made it sound silly lol
Or NASCAR Race Car
@@pomegranates3269 No. My one is the best
Great
Can you do le Mans?
The sound of a pissed of v8 turning at 8100-8400 rpm vs a indy v6. Just sounds so much better.
Well was the Stock Car restricted or not? NASCAR restricts them to keep them from going over 200 mph at Daytona for safety reasons. Unrestricted they can exceed 220 and possibly 230. The F1 car would have probably eventually caught up but the video didn’t disclaim that.
I actually don't think it would catch up. The banking is enough to keep the cup car close to flat out and the formula 1 car engine doesn't have near the power continuously. It would be down a couple hundred HP with no clear aero drag advantage.
You should look at the fastest F1 drivers
@@HieuTran-ck7oe the fastest an F1 car has ever gone was 231 mph in Mexico. A NASCAR will easily exceed 200 mph unrestricted and Scott Dixon won the poll at the Indianapolis 500 this year with a top speed of 243 mph. I know exactly how fast these cars go.
@@Bolt_theG35 Are you saying Nascar is faster?
@@HieuTran-ck7oe that’s a very subjective question that can only be answered with a very subjective answer.
In a straight line and on a road course, of course not, an F1 car is much faster than a nascar because it’s designed for those kind of tracks and has such short gearing, and it’s aerodynamically designed for maximum downforce through corners.
On a track like Daytona or Talladega however, if the nascar was unrestricted, it more than likely would be faster, especially in tandem racing; in other words two F1 cars vs two nascars, the nascars will probably be faster because that’s what the nascar is designed to do; two nascars are faster than one.
The F1 car has way too much downforce/drag and too short of gearing which will more than likely make the F1 car suffer on the 31 degree banking at Daytona and Talladega, and it’s hybrid engine would be pretty much useless on a track like that. The F1 car just isn’t designed for that kind of track, so it’s possible the nascar could be faster on a big oval like that.
I like how everyone is talking about if you remove restriction plate from the stock the car it would do 240mph. F1 with the restriction will do 240mph with low drag aero setup. And if we remove restriction it will probably do over 300mph. Donno who told NASCAR fan that F1 doesn't have restrictions. These are some of the restrictions just on the engine alone:
Engine Size limit
Restriction on Type of engine
Fuel-flow rate limit
Fuel-injection pressure limit
Engine RPM limit
Power Output limit
There's no probably it would clear 300. Hell the nascar might at Talladega by now at least until it gets into a turn. Everything in racing would come down to tire development if the gloves were taken off by now because unless some big development changed it racing would be always be limited to what the tire could withstand by now. Both the current F1 and nascar would look like moving glacier shitboxes in comparison and would bore you to tears if all restrictions were taken off, so saying if this or that one restriction was taken off is pointless and arbitrary. F1 would literally look half alien to modern eyes lol
For one , the present F1 car could probably make a few laps , but the screaming F1 cars naturally aspirated would blow up within a lap , those engines need load all the time . I would have used an Indy car for this comparison , and two . the present nascar would be soooooo much faster without restrictor plates . Virtual rality is the only way you could have a race like this , which i enjoy
It's actually dependant, forced induction is allowed they also just have hefty regulations to actually slow them down such as fuel flow restrictions, limited boost level, lower rev limiter, and the turbocharger (superchargers are allowed, however, all constructors opted for the turbo).
There are hefty build restrictions in comparison to F1 than NASCAR because of the complexity of the cars and how they operate. These engines wouldn't blow up after a few laps they'd be worn down but in no serious danger until around the 500-600 laps area unless something was already seriously long this is why we tend to see retirements due to engine failure (if the team hasn't already opted to potentially take the grid penalty or swapped out parts before race weekend) around the middle part of the mid season or nearing its tail end.
Well technically you can make the engine last at least halfway distance of what NASCAR races in Daytona if the limiter was rearrange
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We all know there would be no contest for the Mercedes F1 on the Daytona roval course, but I wonder how much faster an IndyCar would be compared to the Mercedes F1 on the high banked oval?
It wouldn't, F1 cars never run a downforce spec low enough to reflect how powerful the engines are. If an F1 team were to race their car against Indycars we would see a super low downforce spec. F1 cars have hit the area around 380kph with a lot of downforce on now can you imagine if they trim all of it? Modren F1 cars have the most efficient and complex engines ever built and reach 1000HP compared to the 650 of indycar. You can say Indycar engines are closer to F2 than F1.
@@ruben_m8907 The most recent V10 era cars would probably beat Indy but the current hybrids? Once the battery runs out I don't think so. Big power losses. Not to mention, bending the rules changing to down-force set ups never seen isn't really a good answer. By the same logic, let's fit DRS and modern aero to the F2004 and see how it compares to the modern F1 cars. We're talking about cars in their natural form. Indy gets thrashed by F1 on the Road for sure but on an oval? Not for me.
@@stevenhickenjr pretty much. Likely with a hybrid setup, AWD, upgraded engine, higher downforce, an IRL Indycar could easily beat an F1 car around a road course. Kind of a stupid argument. If we are assessing cars, it needs to be in pure form, not some what if.
@@jeremiahd2417 True but also if you took the restrictor plates off of NASCARS, NASCARS would average 260-270 MPH lol it would be insane speed you can even look it up to.
@@stevenhickenjr well the bhp of the combustion engine is 750hp, and changing aerodynamics setup is completely legal in F1, all teams run very different rear and front wings in Monza compared to Monaco, I don’t see what would be the problem running even less downforce in an oval
Now do f1 cars vs nascars under Nascar rules. That F1 driver might never muster up the guts to attempt a pass lol.
This was pretty relaxing
Come on, it's Cole Trickle! " before your car weighed have as much and your tires were twice as wide, now your car weighs twice as much and your tires are half as wide and you're burning them up "
In the real world the speed would probably be pretty even. Nascar runs a tapered spacer at Daytona that limits them to 450 HP. The F1 car would run out hybrid battery so fast and not be able to recover it because the car is wide open the whole time.
Would be good to have one of the old F1 cars from 20 years ago. They had way more power and ground effect.
The combustion engine on F1s is over 750hp tough, still more than enough. Reliability is on point too, the real thing that would create problems for the F1 are tyres
I’m wondering if you put three stock cars at Daytona bump drafting each other, if you would get the same result...
not exactly, the mercedes would still trump them but it would take longer, individually, the highest performing NASCAR Toyotas can only grt to around 195mph at daytona, tagether they could theoretically clock in 210mph when working together
@@kieranchadderton3894 i think 210 is being optimistic. I know quite a bit about nascar. Alone they do about 188 190 because of the restrict or plate on the intake. Bump drafting they would be more likely to get 205 in a perfect world. What I don’t know, is F1 cars lol
In the 2020 Daytona 500 they were hitting about 211 with restrictor plates. In whatever year. Rusty Wallace ran a 235mph lap at talladega
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TONIGHT I'LL FIGHT!!! I'LL BE THE HEROOO!
That is true that F1 cars average a 22 MPH top speed but if you took the restrictor plates(Restrictor plates are devices installed between the carburetor and intake manifold that restrict the amount of air and fuel entering the engine's combustion chamber causing the NASCARS to always be at a even pace. (Basically limits the amount of speed that NASCARS use.)) off of NASCARS they would average 20 MPH+ top speed and be faster than F1 cars.
@@YEGGS_1 put them in a road course and watch the f1 car lap the stock car 7 times
The race we didnt want, but shouldve expected
Well Nascars have restrictor plates.
@@pomegranates3269 yup they sure do
Sitting here baked asf, and it took me until half way through the video to realise it was a game.
Fun fact (if memory serves), road america races, in Elkhart lake Wisconsin, in 2021 had both the NASCAR and MotoAmerica Superbikes clocking similar lap times!
Considering the F1 has much more horsepower, I’m kinda surprised that it took that long to catch up even with DRS.
You can only use drs when your close to another car
@@starlord7636 in an F1 race, which this is not - you can see DRS used on the straights
I'd expect the stock car to have far less drag.
@@sausagecatjohnson the stock car has the aerodynamic capabilities of a brick lol
@@wolfgangvan-uber6515 which is still far better than an F1 car. High Downforce = high drag.
“If you no longer go for the gap that exist , you’re no longer a racing driver”
So it takes at least three full laps around Daytona to catch up to the stock car. Most impressive Mitsos. I'll admit it as well. F1 is way faster than Nascar I can guarantee that.
@Random Animations Okay that too. That works for me.
And in other news, water is wet.
@@schizoidforjesus Well that's for the road courses in NASCAR. They added that quite some time back but it's becoming a full guarantee race in the rain in NASCAR. But F1 they deal with it and race in the rain like they're legends even if they aren't.
@@markdemars7648 ya didnt get the joke
@@schizoidforjesus Oh. It was a joke? I didn't know that was a joke.
I literally thought this was real life until I saw the description
I wish we could get an accurate representation of an unrestricted modern stock car to fully unleash its power they were going 212 in the 80s just imagine what they could go now, iracing’s unrestricted car can go up to 260ish mph
Exactly
They were going even faster than that in the 80s, that 212 lap was the lap average
I don’t know why I expected this to be real.
Haha me too
Interesting but not to be taken too seriously, folks! You can always add "yeah, but non oval tracks" or anything else. Fact is both are hella fast. :)
But the nascar Is way slower and it’s only built to do that we need to try this rest on a f1 track see if the Americans have managed to handle corners yet
@@essexginge9167 you Europeans ever heard of google? Have you used it to figure out about a mysterious series of open wheel racing called “indycar” 😱 ikr so difficult for you guys to do but trust me it exists. And guess what, they race mostly street circuits and road courses but ALSO ovals. Complete madness. You guys should get caught up
@@Kilo-sz4ch Eh, I’m European and most F1 fans (for example on the F1 subreddit) know that it isn’t about corners and what not. The whole series spec is different, budgets are different, and there’s good engineering going on everywhere. www.grandprix247.com/2018/04/10/porsche-lmp1-breaks-formula-1-lap-record-at-spa/ is the perfect example of why series spec/restrictions are the thing that defines speed.
I'm shocked about the fact that hamilton didn't complain about his tyres
Love both types of racing
F1 👍🏽
@@victorcisneros.1196 all Motorsport 👍🏻
Is the Cup car running with a restrictor plate? If so it's an apples and oranges comparison.
aaaaaahhhh I love the sound of a 5.8 liter naturally aspirated cross-plane V8,much better than these vacuum cleaners F1's using
It’s actually 5.9 liter
no its not
You never heard an F1 car in real life
@@lindsaymartinez5341 I have heard both and the cup car sound is better
1.6 litre vs 5.8 litre ? No contest
Mercedes, "Hold my beer !"
It would be cool if F1 were to include traditional NASCAR ovals with steep almost vertical banks into its list of races. Have 1 NASCAR style race every year. I think the velocity the F1 cars would pick up racing in an oval would probably reach dangerous proportions. They might have to put in limiters to make the car safer to drive on such a track.
2000 Indianapolis GP. The reason why F1 has only 1 tyre manufacturor since.
Without a million restrictions on the f1, it would catch up to the Nascar in no time
Nascar cars are limited on the biggest tracks (Daytona and Talladega) from 780hp to around 520. They would do 400 km/h without restrictions easy. With only 4 gears and a weight of 1 and a half tons
@@JUSTRACINGYT lmao im just trying to balance out the comments about which car would be faster without restrictions, nascar has the higher preference right now
In 1986, Road and Track did a test at a test track (8 mile oval) between Al Holbert’s 962 and Tim Richmond’s Monte Carlo SS. It wasn’t even close even with LeMans gearing. Richmond won like 235 to 220.
We’ll never see this in real life, but Cup cars in the right setting are massively fast. F1 cars are quick and fast, but aren’t optimized at all for an oval.
@@coolfred2832 Because they are more restricted. The record speed of an unrestricted stock car was 271.8 MPH but without a draft and the restricted engines, they run 180 around Daytona. Almost 90 MPH is dropped from these restrictions.
@@canon1753 f1 car will explode at the back stretch
In real life
Take the restrictor plate off of the NASCAR Cup car and the F1 car would never catch it.
that cap
Have you done an f1 onboard video for fuji speedway?
You're gonna enjoy tomorrow's video
People do not realize how fast these two cars are going. Unreal.
Both types of racing are interesting in their own way. NASCAR is more about driver endurance, and allows for more competitive racing because drivers can actually use their bumpers. They also focus on safety, not having a death since Dale Earnhardt back in 2001. F1 is more about precision and raw speed, with cars that are designed to go really fast but not make any contact. Both forms of racing require tons of athleticism and talent, so comparing the two in terms of which one is better is like comparing apples to bricks
What are you talking about? F1 cars run faster on more difficult tracks. How in the world NASCAR is “more competitive” than F1 is beyond me.
NASCAR have more non-fatal injuries, whilst having just 4 less fatal injuries during races.
Love both types of racing, but your comment is a little bit unfair.
I’m nascar (pre-2019) the package was around 750 hp and the aerodynamics of a brick. All that power to the rear wheels in a car that doesn’t want to turn or do anything well. Not to mention the other 30-40 drivers that also have the same problem and are pushing the issue to try to come out on top. Nascar is very competitive. Also now we run 660 hp with less downforce so you have to manhandle the race car. I’m not dissing f1. I respect in it it’s own way but it’s just all about being smooth and dirty air controls everything (also kinda did in nascar) but to me, nascar is more competitive and has some of the best racing.
@@sankara90 Well joe its like this. Count how many times you see a pass in a F1 race and how many you see in a NASCAR race. THats why. F1 they just follow each other around the track, the winner is determined by qualifiing.
After that one F1 Indianapolis GP we can't even imagine an F1 car take a banked turn.
*cough cough* netherlands *cough cough*
NASCAR did better than I thought considering it’s breathing thru a straw.
Explain I don’t get it
@@username_password NASCAR uses an aluminum plate with small holes in it to restrict their speed so they don’t take flight.
IT'S LIGHTS OUT AND AWAY W-
Get in there Lewis
Lol at everyone that thought this was real
In real life after a lap maybe the F1 car would be in the wall
I would’ve liked to see the speedometer to compare the speed in the bangings „or however it’s called“
Bangings.....seriously?
2:27 If I’m in that NASCAR race car I’m rubbing fenders... because in NASCAR “Rubbing is racing”.
How many drs zones?
lmao
It’s messed up F1
this took me half the video to realise it was a game
Just imagine how exciting this would be if was real !
With no restrictor plate NASCAR is way faster, and with less downforce and the right tuning the f1 could go approximately 300+ I'd say
Miles per hour, not kilometers per hour.
A bit generous but ok
It took a while for an F1 to reach a Nascar car on this track, didn't it?
Most of the difference was the acceleration of the lighter car. Things leveled out once they were both at terminal velocity.
@@The52car yh but their is still around a 30 kph difference between their speeds
Cup car also has a restrictor plate, if wide open...the f1 tires may last longer..but a 21 second difference..he may never catch it
Because f1 isn’t for ovals
Good lord the sounds are absolutely incredible
F1 cars could change the set up quite a lot to become better in this environment. They run less downforce at certain tracks. In this scenario they could run even less downforce than Monza. Plus with f1 levels of R&D I'm sure creating an optimised Oval setup while staying within f1 rules wouldn't take too long for the richer teams.
The acceleration of the gen 6 stock car was epic!
Please, Rubens Barrichello (as a Brazilian stock car) and a 2000 Barrichello’s Ferrari
It gotta be awesome!
Loved the part when they turned right
Can we all agree that NASCAR *SOUNDS* better?
Nothing beats a pack of restricted stock cars around the turn of the century imo. Not even the cars NASCAR runs these days.
@@nicolesgaming8917 Have you heard of the Ferrari F2004? That thing revs at 18k RPM! It also sounds amazing.
@@seven5677 I have heard of it, and it does sound amazing, but I grew up watching NASCAR around the turn of the century, and didn't start watching F1 until the turbo hybrid era.
@@nicolesgaming8917 I agree. The sounds of Nascar cars as they go right next to the safer barrier is amazing
The ONLY good sounding V6 F1 car is the Mclaren's of the 80s and 90s. The current F1 cars aren't even close.
Try that on an F1 track. The results would be even more devastating.
Two different types of racing. A cool comparison but it’s pretty obvious which car is faster on the track. But man do those nascars sound amazing
Why does the Nascar sound like a sismic charge from Star Wars ?
So I wonder how quickly it would catch the unrestricted 1987 Coors Thunderbird that did 210 around Dayton.
It would take longer but eventually catch up f1 cars go around 231 mph
I actually wanna see that.
But it should be F1 cars before FIA started clamping down on the cars since people actually started dying.
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Which GT4 mission is this?
I was watching this on my phone and even my phone fell asleep.
But could a F1 car win a 500 lap stint? 🤔
Nascar: I am spe... WHAT WAS THAT!?
Nascar = Box on wheels
F1 = Missile on steroids
Both have similar top speeds, the F1 car just has raw acceleration, less weight and infinitely better downforce.
Why is the wind blowing in 2 different directions ?
*you sound husky and beautiful*
I think the F1 jumped the light. He would've had a hard time if he didn't..
I wonder how much all of that dirty air coming off of a big stock car would hurt the F1 car trying to make the pass.
F1 cars make alot more dirty air than stock cars, and on an oval the dirty air from the Stock car is beneficial because it cuts drag
If the cup car was unrestricted there wouldn't be much difference with the F1 car with all its drag/downforce. Cup car would be running 240+mph on the straights. The F1 car driver would probably black out from the G force if it was trimmed out and geared for top speed.
G-force? F1 drivers regularly drive with up to 6 Gs so I don't think you need to worry about that. Also restrictor plates wouldn't increase it to 240 more like topping out closer to 230 rather than 240+. It would be close without restrictor plate if using f1 tires but still f1 would win
In all seriousness, it would be so cool to see two professionals in NASCAR and F1 swap
Jimmie Johnson and Fernando Alonso in 2018?
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The F1 car sounded a little more like the IndyCar when it ran flat out like that.
You had drs and hybrid you shouldn't have used either of them to make it fair
the stock car was able to use it's speed tricks
@@Dr.Doomsday19 ?
@@BigCheeseIsReal lol
Well that's not fair, the stock car gets to use 100% of its potential and the F1 car doesn't? I mean, they gave the stock car a 21 second head start.
NASCAR cars only use petrol and have a big spoiler on the back on. For speedways they only have 500 horsepower. The f1 car has 1,000 by the engine alone. See the difference now
And what if an Indy car were there? I'm new to watching auto racing so what are your thoughts?
Unrestricted F1 versus a NASCAR with its restrictive plate (because that’s a fair fight). 🤣🤣🤣
Take the plate off of that NASCAR and let’s see how it goes. These cup cars unrestricted are capable of over 220 easy. NASCAR did a test about 10 years ago at Daytona with unrestricted cars and said the cars were way to fast because of the aero they now have.
F1 generates way more drag than a Stock Car, and it has a similar top speed, an F1 car without aero would obliterate even a Bugatti Chiron in straightline speed
@@marcoar3109 an f1 car without aero wouldnt be an f1 car dummy
@@BigCheeseIsReal When did i say something like: "An f1 car without aero isn't an f1 car"?
The highest speed a Stock Car reached unrestricted was 271.8 MPH.
Put a current ford FR9 Stock car V8 in bill elliott's 1987 Thunderbird without a Restrictor plate I project about 240 if you can hold it on the track