Here are some facts that give hope that the F1 engine could complete the 24 hours: - F1 teams do 3/4 days of 8h testing during preseason with a single engine. - The current Alpine Hypercar uses a Mecachrome Formula 2 engine (with even more power!). - Last year, a NASCAR car managed to complete the race with 0 engine issues. That car also had more power from that engine than a current NASCAR Cup car. - The Acura ARX-06 has what was going to be the next IndyCar engine. That car has also successfully completed multiple 24-hour races without engine dramas. - DTM. Their races last less than an hour right? Well, in 2003 a DTM car won the 24 hours of Nurburgring. A race that doesn't even have SCs to give the components a break. - Cars like the Porsche 911 Carrera Cup or TCRs weren't designed for 24-hour races, yet they compete in endurance races all over the world every week. - The Mercedes-AMG One has a current F1 engine in it. You can do thousands of kilometres with it. - There's multiple examples of prototypes using F1 engines for endurance races when F1 engines were way less reliable (they had to last one weekend instead of 6-8!). It's not impossible for the F1 engine to last 24 hours specially with a low power mode, "the lift and coast", the low temperatures at night and a dozen of 10+ minute pitstops. SCs, FCYs and slow zones would help a lot too.
-The a424 has a heavily modified v634 (alpine said in an interview), when others tried to use it without modifying too much it failed (ginetta g60 lmp1) -The NASCAR had a gearbox issue and was only allowed to rebuild and continue because of it being a special class, otherwise would have been disqualified But yeah, if they wanted to make it last 24hrs while being faster than a hypercar by modifying it, they surely would be able to, no doubt in my mind
I think it's very possible for an F1 engine to complete a full 24h Le Mans race. These engines get the absolute sh*t tested out of them in every way possible. People are reacting like an F1 engine is put together by 4 guys in a garage using spare parts. I understand the hold back but again when these engines are running on test banks they get pushed to the absolute limit.
@@haddenindustries2922People forget this engines run balls to the wall for most races that’s why they don’t last long. People also forget F1 engines get 800+ hp out of a 1.6 so they could probably bring it down a little and still be faster than HyperCard.
@naplesbluesrt don't know where you got that false information. The Canadian GP is the same weekend as Lemans next year. Plus he has stated he would only do it after he retires from F1. (Likely after his contract ends in 2028)
@@THEWINDTUNNEL If we consider the engine rules and the average, if we say that F1 cars generally change engines every 6 races, 6 grand prix equals 1800 km. But at Le Mans, those in the hypercar class travel 4700 km. I think it's enough to understand whether they will succeed or not :D
@@TrFerrariF1 You're only including the race, what about free practices, qualifying, sprints and tests? It's a LOT more than 1800km, only in FP2 they do a race long driving
I guess if you modified the F1 to allow for refueling and have the engine turned way down to last all 24 hours there's a possibility of winning. It would be an interesting project.
@@professoroflogic8788it’s not the weight, it’s the reliability aspect! The gearbox itself changed gear almost 25000 times. F1 engine and gearbox just aren’t designed for that type of use. You would have to put an entirely different PU in them to compete
In addition to all the engine reliability concerns, to make an F1 car legal to run on this circuit, you would need to add fenders, lights, necessary safety requirements, and a starter. At that point, you would basically have an LMP1 This is a good theoretical video though
I think lights would be a very easy fix, their safety is unquestionable up to par. It probably exceeds LMP1, and they have starters. The fenders is definitely an issue though. I wonder if theyd let one compete in garage 56
@@meirwalt Le Mans is a race where you are fuel-limited, not tyre-limited like in an F1 race. You are 90% of the time flat out so tyre wear is minimal. Teams will quadruple-stint tyres at night in real life. That's almost 4 fuel tanks on the same tyres (4 hours!). If F1 tyres can do over 2 hours at Monaco turning the entire time (even with Pirelli's softest choice) why wouldn´t they last 2 hours here?
@@meirwaltI can guarantee that the hardest compound could last at least 20 laps. And the F1 is over 20 seconds a lap quicker. Hoing to pits for a tyre change definitely doesnt take more than a minute even considering a slower time on an out lap. F1 is faster even if it has to pit 4 times and the hypercar pits once. The thing is that the engine would most likely need to be slightly detuned to survive 24 hours. But even with 800hp instead of 1050 it would be faster.
@@codycherrington2314 lmao tbh its mainly the fact that f1 cars run sprint no matter how detuned they are for reliability they either are still unable to handle the constant wear and tear from the track + doing so to much is going to make the car off pace. People dont understand that F1 cars are to fragile and too picky on conditions to deal with Le mans especially on the mulsanne straight after 25 laps the engine would be screaming for help, Suspension would crumble. To sum it up someone else in the comments said "It's like we took Usain Bolt's time in the 100 m. of 9.72 and then we extrapolate it to the distance of a marathon, to say that he could run a marathon in 68 minutes, under ideal conditions."
@@Tiktoksforyoutoday The gearbox would fall apart in 3 hours. Hypercars change gears more than 25.000 times during Le Mans. An F1 gearbox dies around 3k gear changes.
@@nckSEVEN794 Drivers have a gearbox per 6 races... which they're running for at least a hundred laps, with what 35-70 ish changes per lap... If this was true they'd need way more gearboxes.
@@nckSEVEN794what are you on about? 3000 changes is a low estimate for a single race in F1, not counting practice and qualifying. Make it 5000 per race weekend and multiply by the 6 races they need to last, and you get 30 thousand gear changes…
The F1 car would last around 10 laps on the mulsanne straights before it started falling apart. Everyone is hyperfocused on the engine not lasting that long, and, while that's probably true, I don't think the general public realises just how bumpy the road is on those straights. Not only would the suspension break apart, the floor of the car wouldn't survive long either if they were to use the normal ride height that makes the whole car work.
Plenty of street circuits on the F1 calendar. Some of them are very bumpy. An F1 car would not 'fall apart.' The car is incredibly strong in the loads of which it is designed. Teams run the F1 car as low as they can get away with for the F1 race weekend so the maximum skid block (plank) wear is not exceeded. This skid block is not integral to the structure of the car. It's just bolted onto the bottom of the chassis. An F1 car might be run slightly higher and the wear would just be tolerated. The fact is an F1 car by design has a massive range of potential setups and the team would find one that worked at the circuit. They can probably still do 300km on a single tank of fuel at a circuit like Le Mans. Refuelling however is not fast like it used to be. The REAL technical problem is the tyres which even on the hardest compound are simply not designed to last much more than an hour's running at racing speed. The human factor is also a potentially difficult issue, F1 cars are not designed to be comfortable for 3 hours at a time or whatever like a Le Mans car with big drink bottles, air conditioning, more room for the driver etc
Circuit de La Sarthe is a 1/2 a public road. F1 cars won't ever tolerate the less than perfect roads racetracks have that Hypercars need to content with.
Awesome video!! But this don't take into consideration that F1 cars go through heavy repairs and restoration after each weekend. Engine oil would need refilling, gearing would need oil bath, many many parts go through so much care, that we can't figure out. 99% chance F1 wouldn't last more than 5 hours. So a typical Garage 56 in my eyes.
Plus, some can argue that a modern F1 car's engine can last long now, but they forget that it was through multiple "down time" as well by not running at all between races, while a Le Mans Prototype achieved that number over the whole weekend of nonstop running.
Also,i don't think F1 cars are that comfortable to be in for so many hours,even with driver changes,LMPs,Hypercars and GTs have to go through hours lasting races in most part of their lives,F1 cars rarely reach the 2 hours mark per race.
It's like we took Usain Bolt's time in the 100 m. of 9.72 and then we extrapolate it to the distance of a marathon, to say that he could run a marathon in 68 minutes, under ideal conditions.
The thing you leave out here is that the components are not designed for continued use beyond 2 hours. So whilst an F1 engine can last the le man race distance in theory, in practice the sustained usage for hours would likely not see many components last beyond 6 hours
I don't think that F1 cars would be able to withstand the contact in terms of bodywork, trips through gravel, etc. I also think that in-race refueling would pose a problem.
Safety cars usually harm the engine more than a full speed lap in terms of temps. This because less air goes trough the car and the engine is not cooled enough
LeMans allows up to about 670hp in an engine with unlimited displacement. An F1 engine is a 1.6L turbo charged engine that produces 750hp without the MGU. The winning car at LeMans will run over 5000km if the weather doesn’t slow them down. F1 teams are allowed 4 engines without penalty and if a team only used 4 engines for the season, they would only have about 2000km each on them and they would be pretty much toast.
@@THEWINDTUNNEL an average F1 race is 300 kilometres X 24 races = 7200km. Add in 6 sprint races at about 100km each and you're up to 7800km. Add in practice and qualifying, you've got another combine 30 or 40km average (for teams that actually make it out of Q1) each race you're up to 8760kms for the season. Take your 8760km and divide it by the 4 engines teams are allowed to use without penalty and you get 2190km average per engine, then you add in the extra engines that teams take penalties to use (Verstappen has used 6 engines and Checo has used 5) and the average goes down considerably.
Also forgot the mileage in practice and qualifying on top of race distance, and the sheer time on full throttle. The engine would have to be turned down hurting fuel efficiency, the hybrid system would be largely ineffective compared to F1 / short circuits due to time spent between braking points putting even more pressure on ICE and fuel capacity. It's like asking Usain Bolt to run against Kipchoge.
@Sliced_Bread1 mostly to the aero and chasis. The engine was almost exactly what they used in nascar, just with a lifted power restriction that raised the HP from 670 to 750
Well I think in real life you would have to modify the F1 extensively like they did with that Camaro NASCAR last year. This was a simulation after all, but I think in real world conditions it might be different. Yes obviously the F1 car would do blistering laps but I think in the long run with more frequent pit stops it might just win or not finish at all
WHAT IF: You were to race a Formula One car, an IndyCar car, a NASCAR Garage 56 Camaro from the 2023 Le Mans race, a 1976 Dodge Charger that ran over 600 horsepower, a 1976 Ford Torino, a DeltaWing (all types), a Mazda 787B, a Jaguar XJR-12, a Porsche 917, a Porsche 936, and a Chaparral 2F on the same circuit at the exact same time? Modern open wheel cars, classic Le Mans cars, and even the most UNIQUE cars to ever race on the Circuit de La Sarthe.
Reliability of the engine is not a concern at all, f1 engines are amazing and can be slightly detuned to last 24h without issue. The only issue would be reliability of the rest of the car and how quickly the components can be changed (brakes calipers for example) most of which are already reliable but not designed to be changed quickly like in LMP1
I think people really underestimate the reliability of F1 cars, of course a GP spec car won't be able to run for 24h but I don't think the F1 car will need too many changes to be able to do so and win the race with a confortable gap.
Possible reliability improvement - Rev limiting to 10-12,000 rpms to reduce engine wear - Use aero windshield to reduce driver's fatigue - Changing the brakes, suspensions, electrical wires to have more endurance by sacrificing performance to improve wear This way the car would be 3-5s slower than the current one but could save up time without changing more parts during the pits.
people worried about the engien and gearbox lasting, forgetting that the F1 car has no lights for Night racing. You could add some lights, but how would that effect the weight, balance, laptimes
Try doing a full-scale race-off between all racing classes, and give some of them superpowers (superbike doesn't have to brake around curves, rally can go off-road and cut corners via infield, drift is always cornering, etc.)
F1 engines never get to 15000rpm anyways, they shift at around 11800rpm and its easy to detune the engine and still have a speed advantage over the Hypercars
This is best case scenario factors for an f1 car. Theres 24 races for the 2024 season, and each race is about 2 hours, but in 2023 each team were allowed 3 engines (in 2024 they’re given 4, but exclude that since we need the engines to be more reliable). At best an f1 car can only make 15-16 hours of an endurance race and thats being very generous with its reliability
Would you consider something like this for F1 at the Indy 500? Obviously the Indycars will have the speed advantage, but would the range of an F1 car be enough to make it compete over a race distance? The F1 car could theoretically 2 stop the race on fuel, so whether the hard tyres would hold on to make that possible is a question
Considering they only are allowed to use 3 engines the entire season, Including all practice, qualifying, and any sprint qualifying races without penalty, yeah, it's possible it could last.
its probably more like they are less durable than you think lol. practice almost doesnt count as they are just testing stuff, not at race pace. and quali is just like 8 laps top speed. its not that big of a load on the car.
they use engines in key races. They dont use the same engine for 4 or 5 races straight, they swap them to a different engine and reuse the first one for a different race. The f1 cars wouldn't last 24hrs straight. They'd have to change brakes, suspension, fluids etc. That'd take so much time. Then They'd have to refire the engine and let it cycle before running it back in the race. There's no drs so their top speed would barely be close to hypercars. The tires would fall apart after 2 stints, even the hardest compounds. F1s struggle to keep heat the tires at Azerbaijan, La Sarthe is nearly 3 times as long. You'd see lockups and flat spots galore from f1 cars. Then traffic would be a hassle for them too. They'd run out of tires long before the race finished and they don't have tire warmers at Le Mans
I would love to see the outcome of this with a slightly modified grid, incorporating a mix of formula one cars of different eras, v6, v8, v10, v12, to see how they fare vs the endurance cars and each other over the full race distance.
They would need a very special tire compound that wouldn't implode 30 laps in like curent Pirelli, and can withstand an F1 torque and power which curent LMPH tires probably can't The lack of grip alone would cost it a bit Then you got the fact these cars are super fragile, if they lose a little of bodywork their advantage would drop exponentialy Also You forgot the most important factor that can stop the F1 car dead on its tracks Rain
WEC and IMSA are so much more interesting to watch. So much more strategy, skill, and team work is involved, and a lot fewer prima donnas. F1 racing is fine, but I find it closer to NASCAR than endurance racing. Le Mans has 3 car classes, not to mention amateur drivers, so you have much more complex traffic to negotiate.
I actually did but i doubt i could ever watch it properly, i fell asleep like 5 times, but it was great though. The 6hour races are fine though, and I'd like to check out supergt but it's a pity it's only in English sub. Imsa I'll need to check out too
endurance race are totally different with formula cars especially on their strategies, in endurace teams principals searching how to running this cars without any problems for 24 hours, if see in this video RB20 just 3 laps can overlaping the backmarker of hypercar's, this is of course different from the main goal. but if u see into the f1 sprint when all teams using the full power because of just 100km racing, the formula cars it's designed for full power racing and if u see the normal f1 race around of 50-70 laps (depending on the circuit distance) the first of laps all teams using full power for reaching front row podium position but if the racing already reach over 15 laps all teams using endurance strategies to maintain tyres or fuel to unexpected event for overtake opponents teams (excpet. for qatar 2023)
also what i think is not taken into consideration is that driving F1 car is more physically demanding than hypercar, due to the speed, the way the car drives etc. not saying hypercar is easy to drive at all but compared to F1 is easier and the drivers are still super exhausted at the end. 3 F1 drivers would not be nearly enough to get through 24 hours.
1) not nearly enough flashing of the lights by the cars, gotta flash the cars you wont catch for 10 laps, or you wont catch them. 2) F1 cars are not designed to refuel, parts have to come off. and if they modified it to refuel, it wouldnt be allowed to carry as much. BOP would likely have them add weights to equal the original. 3) fully opening the cooling, would lower the f1 top speed.
Not sure if someone mentioned it, but I think another point to consider would be the weather. F1 cars usually struggle a lot during the rain, not to mention the driver's health, while the Hypercars seemingly don't have that issue (with some exceptions ofc), I only recently got into endurance racing and most of the time whenever there's a 24h race, rain does happen often and especially during the night it would make it much more difficult for the F1 car to perform well. Me personally I'd say that F1 obviously has much better pace than the Hypercars, but on a 24h race it would most likely not be able to finish
@THEWINDTUNNEL But it would be behind some of the Hypercars at times, which would most likely give the same effect. And like I said before, the drivers would most likely not be able to handle the harsh conditions when it comes to their health
Probably with a bunch pf mods to make the engine last over 48 hours its possible if there is no contact chassis may need to be modded as well to tolerate more damage
Not only the reliability would be a problem also the weather, we all know that the Night which was mostly „skipped“ in this Video would be the part that would show if a F1 Car would perform. And we also know that it rains nearly every LeMans race which would also make the F1 Car Slower
I seriously doubt F1 engine out of the box would be able to withstand 24 hours of near constant running. Serious changes would've been needed which would result in what by all accounts a new class or a formula for F1 derived 24 hour race car. So, on purely technical grounds, no, F1 car couldn't wing 24 hours of Le Mans.
I don't think F1 car's gearbox is rated for a continuous run. Sure it can last the distance, but F1 race are not a continuous 24 hours of runtime I'd also be interested if you throw in a Porsche 919 in there, and see how big of a difference LMP1 could make.
Good video, however the F1 car would no doubt employ tactic such as not going flat out to extend runs in between stops. The breaks and suspension would be beefed up to cope so its stops would be shorted and less frequent. An easy win for F1
I'm amazed that it was this close tbh! Tbh in reality I think the F1 car would probably have an accident, since they're more fragile than hypercars and it's extremely difficult to do 24 hours without any contact at all.
The F1 can't win, it cant even do a double stint. Ignoring the fact that the engine cant last the average race distance even on 10 race distances (305 km x 10 races = 3050km) and thats being generous.
An average F1 race is about 300km. They get another 20 or 30km during practice and qualifying. If you add in the sprint races and divide the total mileage by the 4 engines an F1 team is allowed in a year without penalty (and most teams end up taking the penalties to use one or two more), an F1 engine only runs about 2000km. The winning car at LeMans will driver over 5000kms.
Brake changes as well as other maintenence would have to be made that could cost severel laps each pit stop for the F1 car. That and driver changes. I dont think an F1 car would be able to do this flawlessly.
Hard to do driver changes in an F1 car as they can't adjust the seats without removing lots of parts because each seat is wholly moulded to the driver.
The engine honestly isn't the concern, modern F1 engines are built to last as it helps their image of sustainability and keeps costs down, something the sport has been scrutinized heavily for the past few seasons. I can see overheating being an issue, though. If you gave a competing F1 team a month to design components like suspension, aero and the floor durable enough to finish Le Mans, I doubt they'd find it a challenge and all those parts would hold up, easily. I think the biggest concern would be eating through tyres, if we're saying it's on the current Pirelli F1 tyre offerings. Even then, I can see a world where that's a non-issue even with Pirelli's engineered-in cliffs in the tyres, and I think in a wet race the F1 car would have even more of a pace advantage and inters/wets that would comfortably last hours. Also, Fernando did a lap in an F1 car in 2021 that we can get plenty of data from. Driver 61 has a video covering it on his channel
And this is ONLY with the Hypercar grid. Add LMP2 and LMGT3, it will be EXTRA painful to stay cautious. Also, just to give the F1 extra win, they definitely gonna run the Monza Setup. Small wing, minimal wing adjustment.
My lone thing with the F1 car is that the slightest touch would likely destroy the suspension as currently constructed. Obviously, Le Mans tries not to be quite the rough and tumble sport that NASCAR is, but there's some contact that comes with the territory. I'd always be worried about breaking either the wing or the suspension at the slightest touch.
The only way I see an f1 car getting onto the Le Mans Grid is under Garage 56, and even then would probably need to be a detuned older car to even think about surviving the race distance, unless they tone down the horsepower that engine wont last 24 hours
adding wheelcovers or bodywork will make an f1 more aero efficient than its weight penalty. Reliability on paper is doable, and some f1 teams have made engines and gearboxs last long enough over a season to not fall foul of the engine limit penalties. But we know it will clap the cheeks of any lemans car ever by the stopwatch. an interesting vid would be how far back in time would you need to go back in f1 time to make a fair fight... i reckon early 80s vs lmp1h
Lets also not forget you have a field of 50-55 cars. The F1 car will get held up behind a tailgater. There will be laps under the safety car for crashes or weather conditions........
Except the RB20 swaps engine every 3 hours and gearbox, it's not feasible. We haven't even talked about how many sets of tires itll use the stressed components changes
i mean if a driver can drive an f1 for longer hours at a time would be a better question, lewis stated that f1 drivers lose 3 to 4 lbs each race, there's no airconditioning, open cock pit high g forces, driving at those speeds for extended periods is a formula for accidents to happen.
What mod is that 499P? I'm part of a league that do endurance racing on AC, but the Hypercars we're using are by TRR and this one seems slightly higher quality. Is it part of a pack as well?
I think the engine wouldn’t necessarily be the first issue, I think the brakes would need a lot more work. Currently F1 brakes are build to last 800 km, Hypercar brakes are built to last 6000 km.
@@THEWINDTUNNEL oh. Huh. Maybe it's another channel. Lol. I forgot who or if it was you. But basically, I think the video was an F1 vs LMH one lap. And I suggested to instead maybe try a full GP race, not exactly a 24 hr race. I think you did better taking into account other factors. But we'll still never know. Anyway, can you do a group C vs LMH, or Group C old vs 1991 Group C era? Like xjr9 vs xjr14 race.
Yeah aint no way. the thing breaks 6 Hours in... In an Endurance Race it isnt just enginge breaks and transmission... EVERY tiny part needs to last 24 Hours. In no world does a F1 car survive that
exactly people seem too forget that an car is not only the engine, the tyres or the transmission. no part in an formula car is build too last this long under full pressure, even half the pressure is too much. after max 3 hours the car would break down or fall apart on the track itself. and i`am not talking about the engine, the transmission or the tyres, there are many many other parts that wouldn`t last this long in race speed.
Sorry bro, but as a driver from Road to le Mans last week, I can tell you that changing breaks is most faster than you simulated… On a GT3, I took a chrono of 1 minute and 15 seconds to change 4 tires and front breaks with only 4 guys working on the car (it was amazing to see it btw !). So considering 5 minutes for all four seems to be more realistic if the guys are a bit low 😅 Nice sim btw, thx for your content !
Wow that's so cool, hope you had fun. The thing F1's brakes are WAY more complex that the one's in a GT3 car. Other components (bodywork, suspensions, oil refills) would have to be changed too. That's why it takes that long.
Lots of components of the F1 car have a limited amount of time they can be used before they have to be replaced. Brakes, suspension, wings, and so on. The Brawn gp car from Jenson Button f.i. can not be driven in anger any more because a lot of those parts must be replaced, but there are no replacement parts. So, a F1 car can not do the 24 hrs without spending hours in the pits. Some other things, they can not be refuelled quickly, they need loads more tyres than the Hypercar, have no lights, no lightened number on the side and I doubt if they can be driven as low to the ground as they need for the ground effect to be maximized. The Mulsanne straight has a crest in it and ruts from lorry's.
Here are some facts that give hope that the F1 engine could complete the 24 hours:
- F1 teams do 3/4 days of 8h testing during preseason with a single engine.
- The current Alpine Hypercar uses a Mecachrome Formula 2 engine (with even more power!).
- Last year, a NASCAR car managed to complete the race with 0 engine issues. That car also had more power from that engine than a current NASCAR Cup car.
- The Acura ARX-06 has what was going to be the next IndyCar engine. That car has also successfully completed multiple 24-hour races without engine dramas.
- DTM. Their races last less than an hour right? Well, in 2003 a DTM car won the 24 hours of Nurburgring. A race that doesn't even have SCs to give the components a break.
- Cars like the Porsche 911 Carrera Cup or TCRs weren't designed for 24-hour races, yet they compete in endurance races all over the world every week.
- The Mercedes-AMG One has a current F1 engine in it. You can do thousands of kilometres with it.
- There's multiple examples of prototypes using F1 engines for endurance races when F1 engines were way less reliable (they had to last one weekend instead of 6-8!).
It's not impossible for the F1 engine to last 24 hours specially with a low power mode, "the lift and coast", the low temperatures at night and a dozen of 10+ minute pitstops. SCs, FCYs and slow zones would help a lot too.
-The a424 has a heavily modified v634 (alpine said in an interview), when others tried to use it without modifying too much it failed (ginetta g60 lmp1)
-The NASCAR had a gearbox issue and was only allowed to rebuild and continue because of it being a special class, otherwise would have been disqualified
But yeah, if they wanted to make it last 24hrs while being faster than a hypercar by modifying it, they surely would be able to, no doubt in my mind
I think it's very possible for an F1 engine to complete a full 24h Le Mans race. These engines get the absolute sh*t tested out of them in every way possible. People are reacting like an F1 engine is put together by 4 guys in a garage using spare parts. I understand the hold back but again when these engines are running on test banks they get pushed to the absolute limit.
@@haddenindustries2922People forget this engines run balls to the wall for most races that’s why they don’t last long. People also forget F1 engines get 800+ hp out of a 1.6 so they could probably bring it down a little and still be faster than HyperCard.
Didn’t the Garage 56 cars gearbox get shredded. I’m not a huge mechanic person but isn’t that considered an engine issue
The F1 car would also need a starter motor. Because during pit stops cars have to turn off the engine. You can't just turn off and on an F1 car.
While i highly doubt a F1 car would last the whole race,better to not give Max any weird ideas.
Next year: Red Bull garage 56 entry.😂
@@mase8832"Simply,Simply lovely!"
He's likely to be on the Aston Martin WEC Lemans team next year
@naplesbluesrt don't know where you got that false information. The Canadian GP is the same weekend as Lemans next year. Plus he has stated he would only do it after he retires from F1. (Likely after his contract ends in 2028)
@saberdon2341 he'll do the double bro no problem. If Santa can deliver all over the world, Max can do lemans and Montreal in same day NP.
The F1 car would break down, can’t simulate reliability here
There are more factors to “breaking down” than just engines take that into consideration
I think there's a decent chance to complete the 24 hours without breakdown but we'll never know!
@@THEWINDTUNNELwe need garage 56 f1 car
Reliability: F1 car wouldn't have the longevity to function for 24h. Also: night time.
@@THEWINDTUNNEL If we consider the engine rules and the average, if we say that F1 cars generally change engines every 6 races, 6 grand prix equals 1800 km. But at Le Mans, those in the hypercar class travel 4700 km. I think it's enough to understand whether they will succeed or not :D
@@TrFerrariF1 You're only including the race, what about free practices, qualifying, sprints and tests? It's a LOT more than 1800km, only in FP2 they do a race long driving
I guess if you modified the F1 to allow for refueling and have the engine turned way down to last all 24 hours there's a possibility of winning. It would be an interesting project.
Did you saw what happened to the Alpines’s f2 engine during Le Mans? Maybe that will clear things up ahahaha
@@emanuelcosta4023 Yeah but weight makes a difference I would guess 🤔
@@professoroflogic8788it’s not the weight, it’s the reliability aspect! The gearbox itself changed gear almost 25000 times. F1 engine and gearbox just aren’t designed for that type of use. You would have to put an entirely different PU in them to compete
@@crazysoundman Hmmm 🤔 maybe add one of those cool cvt transmissions from a Prius?
@@professoroflogic8788 we saw what happened to an f1 engine last time they did so, and a CVT is way too unreliable
The biggest reliability hurdle for an F1 car at LeMans? Gentlemen drivers in Ferrari GT3 cars.
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Aha ! Finally non technical statement but yet the most logical one 😂😂😂
In addition to all the engine reliability concerns, to make an F1 car legal to run on this circuit, you would need to add fenders, lights, necessary safety requirements, and a starter. At that point, you would basically have an LMP1
This is a good theoretical video though
Funnily enough F1 cars today can start themselves with their hybrid battery pack haha
They won’t need a starter
it's a terrible video full of fantasies and lies
It’s in game only cuz it’s not viable in irl😂
@@connorohidy8491 its just a game afterall
I think lights would be a very easy fix, their safety is unquestionable up to par. It probably exceeds LMP1, and they have starters. The fenders is definitely an issue though. I wonder if theyd let one compete in garage 56
Comparing a f1 car to a Le Mans car is like
Comparing a marathon runner to a sprinter
Sprinter
Well said bro
F1 car after the straight: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Le mans car after the straight: bro im chillin
Good over 1 Lap and good over 24hrs are very different things
The F1 car probably won't survive, the engine isn't built to go that far
not to mention the tires, it'd lose way too much time in the pits
@@meirwalt Le Mans is a race where you are fuel-limited, not tyre-limited like in an F1 race. You are 90% of the time flat out so tyre wear is minimal. Teams will quadruple-stint tyres at night in real life. That's almost 4 fuel tanks on the same tyres (4 hours!). If F1 tyres can do over 2 hours at Monaco turning the entire time (even with Pirelli's softest choice) why wouldn´t they last 2 hours here?
Unlikely but not impossible, had to go with the best case scenario for this one!
@@meirwaltI can guarantee that the hardest compound could last at least 20 laps. And the F1 is over 20 seconds a lap quicker. Hoing to pits for a tyre change definitely doesnt take more than a minute even considering a slower time on an out lap. F1 is faster even if it has to pit 4 times and the hypercar pits once. The thing is that the engine would most likely need to be slightly detuned to survive 24 hours. But even with 800hp instead of 1050 it would be faster.
That track is an insanely low tyre degradation one.
A better question is how long would an f1 car last in a 24 hour race
Give or take. if it survives the mulsane I’d say maybe like 5-6 hours even with the car saving
@@pcbloxnews wow a reasonable and honest take from a racing fan?? Am I dreaming??
@@codycherrington2314 lmao tbh its mainly the fact that f1 cars run sprint no matter how detuned they are for reliability they either are still unable to handle the constant wear and tear from the track + doing so to much is going to make the car off pace. People dont understand that F1 cars are to fragile and too picky on conditions to deal with Le mans especially on the mulsanne straight after 25 laps the engine would be screaming for help, Suspension would crumble. To sum it up someone else in the comments said "It's like we took Usain Bolt's time in the 100 m. of 9.72 and then we extrapolate it to the distance of a marathon, to say that he could run a marathon in 68 minutes, under ideal conditions."
@@pcbloxnews alright alright don’t need to flex your knowledge now you did your part
@@pcbloxnewsquestion is, can they make up enough time to swap out the engine haha
Max is just sidequesting 😂😭
Always have been mate that's max verstappen
Never verstoppen
He better stop side questing, and focus on F1, I heard some Brit is giving him a challenge these past few months.
F1 are faster than Hypercars, but they don't even have 50% of the durability
True so it would have to avoid collisions but I think the engine and gearbox would be able to last the 24 hours in certain power settings
@@Tiktoksforyoutoday The gearbox would fall apart in 3 hours. Hypercars change gears more than 25.000 times during Le Mans. An F1 gearbox dies around 3k gear changes.
@@nckSEVEN794Says who?
@@nckSEVEN794 Drivers have a gearbox per 6 races... which they're running for at least a hundred laps, with what 35-70 ish changes per lap... If this was true they'd need way more gearboxes.
@@nckSEVEN794what are you on about? 3000 changes is a low estimate for a single race in F1, not counting practice and qualifying. Make it 5000 per race weekend and multiply by the 6 races they need to last, and you get 30 thousand gear changes…
The F1 car would last around 10 laps on the mulsanne straights before it started falling apart.
Everyone is hyperfocused on the engine not lasting that long, and, while that's probably true, I don't think the general public realises just how bumpy the road is on those straights.
Not only would the suspension break apart, the floor of the car wouldn't survive long either if they were to use the normal ride height that makes the whole car work.
Thanks god somebody finally point the Real problem for an F1 Car at Le mans
Plenty of street circuits on the F1 calendar. Some of them are very bumpy. An F1 car would not 'fall apart.' The car is incredibly strong in the loads of which it is designed. Teams run the F1 car as low as they can get away with for the F1 race weekend so the maximum skid block (plank) wear is not exceeded. This skid block is not integral to the structure of the car. It's just bolted onto the bottom of the chassis. An F1 car might be run slightly higher and the wear would just be tolerated. The fact is an F1 car by design has a massive range of potential setups and the team would find one that worked at the circuit. They can probably still do 300km on a single tank of fuel at a circuit like Le Mans. Refuelling however is not fast like it used to be. The REAL technical problem is the tyres which even on the hardest compound are simply not designed to last much more than an hour's running at racing speed. The human factor is also a potentially difficult issue, F1 cars are not designed to be comfortable for 3 hours at a time or whatever like a Le Mans car with big drink bottles, air conditioning, more room for the driver etc
@@pgr3290 i ain't readin allat.
I doubt you could anyway so no worries
Circuit de La Sarthe is a 1/2 a public road. F1 cars won't ever tolerate the less than perfect roads racetracks have that Hypercars need to content with.
Awesome video!! But this don't take into consideration that F1 cars go through heavy repairs and restoration after each weekend. Engine oil would need refilling, gearing would need oil bath, many many parts go through so much care, that we can't figure out. 99% chance F1 wouldn't last more than 5 hours. So a typical Garage 56 in my eyes.
Plus, some can argue that a modern F1 car's engine can last long now, but they forget that it was through multiple "down time" as well by not running at all between races, while a Le Mans Prototype achieved that number over the whole weekend of nonstop running.
Also,i don't think F1 cars are that comfortable to be in for so many hours,even with driver changes,LMPs,Hypercars and GTs have to go through hours lasting races in most part of their lives,F1 cars rarely reach the 2 hours mark per race.
It's like we took Usain Bolt's time in the 100 m. of 9.72 and then we extrapolate it to the distance of a marathon, to say that he could run a marathon in 68 minutes, under ideal conditions.
sounds good but apples to ranges. Respectfully as somone who ran track for over a decade; a better comparison would be a top fuel dragster v an LMP 😂😂
11 sets of brake discs and calipers for 24h 😂
The thing you leave out here is that the components are not designed for continued use beyond 2 hours. So whilst an F1 engine can last the le man race distance in theory, in practice the sustained usage for hours would likely not see many components last beyond 6 hours
yep. there is difference between 10 hours (circa 6 races) spread between several months and 10 hours running race pace speed non-stop.
Le Alpine: very funny, but le real question is "could a F2 win the 24h of le mans?"
I don't think that F1 cars would be able to withstand the contact in terms of bodywork, trips through gravel, etc. I also think that in-race refueling would pose a problem.
F1 has doen in race refuelling in the past, so I don't think that would be an issue. My bet is the engine won't last unless it's detuned somewhat.
Safety cars usually harm the engine more than a full speed lap in terms of temps. This because less air goes trough the car and the engine is not cooled enough
shouldnt the f1 car refuel in pit garage with extremely slow fuel flow rate
They're capable of refueling quickly, the equipment just isn't allowed outside of the garage on F1 weekends
LeMans allows up to about 670hp in an engine with unlimited displacement. An F1 engine is a 1.6L turbo charged engine that produces 750hp without the MGU. The winning car at LeMans will run over 5000km if the weather doesn’t slow them down. F1 teams are allowed 4 engines without penalty and if a team only used 4 engines for the season, they would only have about 2000km each on them and they would be pretty much toast.
2000 km? That’s slightly over 3 weekends. There’s 24 races!
@@THEWINDTUNNEL an average F1 race is 300 kilometres X 24 races = 7200km. Add in 6 sprint races at about 100km each and you're up to 7800km. Add in practice and qualifying, you've got another combine 30 or 40km average (for teams that actually make it out of Q1) each race you're up to 8760kms for the season. Take your 8760km and divide it by the 4 engines teams are allowed to use without penalty and you get 2190km average per engine, then you add in the extra engines that teams take penalties to use (Verstappen has used 6 engines and Checo has used 5) and the average goes down considerably.
Also forgot the mileage in practice and qualifying on top of race distance, and the sheer time on full throttle. The engine would have to be turned down hurting fuel efficiency, the hybrid system would be largely ineffective compared to F1 / short circuits due to time spent between braking points putting even more pressure on ICE and fuel capacity. It's like asking Usain Bolt to run against Kipchoge.
I dont think f1 cars are meant to run 24 hours nonstop tho
Neither are nascar cup cars, and that handled le mans pretty well
@@TriplePProductionz with a LOT of extra tunes
@Sliced_Bread1 mostly to the aero and chasis. The engine was almost exactly what they used in nascar, just with a lifted power restriction that raised the HP from 670 to 750
@@TriplePProductionz Exactly!
@@TriplePProductionzwell they do run a lot at max revs for 4 hours at a time anyways
Well I think in real life you would have to modify the F1 extensively like they did with that Camaro NASCAR last year. This was a simulation after all, but I think in real world conditions it might be different. Yes obviously the F1 car would do blistering laps but I think in the long run with more frequent pit stops it might just win or not finish at all
WHAT IF:
You were to race a Formula One car, an IndyCar car, a NASCAR Garage 56 Camaro from the 2023 Le Mans race, a 1976 Dodge Charger that ran over 600 horsepower, a 1976 Ford Torino, a DeltaWing (all
types), a Mazda 787B, a Jaguar XJR-12, a Porsche 917, a Porsche 936, and a Chaparral 2F on the same circuit at the exact same time? Modern open wheel cars, classic Le Mans cars, and even the most UNIQUE cars to ever race on the Circuit de La Sarthe.
Cars 2 show us the result back in 2011 😂
Reliability of the engine is not a concern at all, f1 engines are amazing and can be slightly detuned to last 24h without issue. The only issue would be reliability of the rest of the car and how quickly the components can be changed (brakes calipers for example) most of which are already reliable but not designed to be changed quickly like in LMP1
Absolutely not. You're 100% wrong
I think people really underestimate the reliability of F1 cars, of course a GP spec car won't be able to run for 24h but I don't think the F1 car will need too many changes to be able to do so and win the race with a confortable gap.
Literally any F1 motor after 3 hours: "We're done here."
Possible reliability improvement
- Rev limiting to 10-12,000 rpms to reduce engine wear
- Use aero windshield to reduce driver's fatigue
- Changing the brakes, suspensions, electrical wires to have more endurance by sacrificing performance to improve wear
This way the car would be 3-5s slower than the current one but could save up time without changing more parts during the pits.
It’ll last, just until the sun goes down.
people worried about the engien and gearbox lasting, forgetting that the F1 car has no lights for Night racing.
You could add some lights, but how would that effect the weight, balance, laptimes
Try doing a full-scale race-off between all racing classes, and give some of them superpowers (superbike doesn't have to brake around curves, rally can go off-road and cut corners via infield, drift is always cornering, etc.)
If they severely detuned it. That engine running at 15000 RPM for wouldn't last 2 hours let alone 24. Looking at you, Mazda
F1 engines never get to 15000rpm anyways, they shift at around 11800rpm and its easy to detune the engine and still have a speed advantage over the Hypercars
If they use longer gears detune the engine and make it more electrical like the 2026 regulations wouldn't it be more reliable?
I would love to see them do this. Even a 12hr with both team drivers sharing a car. Not sure why they don't do it actually
This is best case scenario factors for an f1 car.
Theres 24 races for the 2024 season, and each race is about 2 hours, but in 2023 each team were allowed 3 engines (in 2024 they’re given 4, but exclude that since we need the engines to be more reliable).
At best an f1 car can only make 15-16 hours of an endurance race and thats being very generous with its reliability
Would you consider something like this for F1 at the Indy 500?
Obviously the Indycars will have the speed advantage, but would the range of an F1 car be enough to make it compete over a race distance? The F1 car could theoretically 2 stop the race on fuel, so whether the hard tyres would hold on to make that possible is a question
That would be quite interesting isn't it? 🤔
You're also forgetting about all the practice and qualifying sessions for F1. They are more durable than you think now adays
That shit doesn't last 24 hours
Considering they only are allowed to use 3 engines the entire season, Including all practice, qualifying, and any sprint qualifying races without penalty, yeah, it's possible it could last.
@@surgemeister01I know
its probably more like they are less durable than you think lol. practice almost doesnt count as they are just testing stuff, not at race pace. and quali is just like 8 laps top speed. its not that big of a load on the car.
they use engines in key races. They dont use the same engine for 4 or 5 races straight, they swap them to a different engine and reuse the first one for a different race. The f1 cars wouldn't last 24hrs straight. They'd have to change brakes, suspension, fluids etc. That'd take so much time. Then They'd have to refire the engine and let it cycle before running it back in the race. There's no drs so their top speed would barely be close to hypercars. The tires would fall apart after 2 stints, even the hardest compounds. F1s struggle to keep heat the tires at Azerbaijan, La Sarthe is nearly 3 times as long. You'd see lockups and flat spots galore from f1 cars. Then traffic would be a hassle for them too. They'd run out of tires long before the race finished and they don't have tire warmers at Le Mans
I would love to see the outcome of this with a slightly modified grid, incorporating a mix of formula one cars of different eras, v6, v8, v10, v12, to see how they fare vs the endurance cars and each other over the full race distance.
If there is any team Insane enough to attempt this it's definitely RedBull.
They would need a very special tire compound that wouldn't implode 30 laps in like curent Pirelli, and can withstand an F1 torque and power which curent LMPH tires probably can't
The lack of grip alone would cost it a bit
Then you got the fact these cars are super fragile, if they lose a little of bodywork their advantage would drop exponentialy
Also
You forgot the most important factor that can stop the F1 car dead on its tracks
Rain
Rain wouldn't affect the F1 car. FIA though...
If you can, please watch the 24h of le mans this saturday its so much better than f1
WEC and IMSA are so much more interesting to watch. So much more strategy, skill, and team work is involved, and a lot fewer prima donnas. F1 racing is fine, but I find it closer to NASCAR than endurance racing. Le Mans has 3 car classes, not to mention amateur drivers, so you have much more complex traffic to negotiate.
Agreed
I actually did but i doubt i could ever watch it properly, i fell asleep like 5 times, but it was great though. The 6hour races are fine though, and I'd like to check out supergt but it's a pity it's only in English sub. Imsa I'll need to check out too
F1 nowadays is more about the history behind it, how teams got to this point, while le mans is still interesting because it last longer
you would probably modify the fuel cap too for refueling since they haven't done that in f1 since 2009
Thank you for listing the price in case I want to buy one of these
I'm afraid you can't buy these, however you can actually buy a Ferrari 499P Modificata for just 5.1M €!
The engine tho 💀
endurance race are totally different with formula cars especially on their strategies, in endurace teams principals searching how to running this cars without any problems for 24 hours, if see in this video RB20 just 3 laps can overlaping the backmarker of hypercar's, this is of course different from the main goal. but if u see into the f1 sprint when all teams using the full power because of just 100km racing, the formula cars it's designed for full power racing and if u see the normal f1 race around of 50-70 laps (depending on the circuit distance) the first of laps all teams using full power for reaching front row podium position but if the racing already reach over 15 laps all teams using endurance strategies to maintain tyres or fuel to unexpected event for overtake opponents teams (excpet. for qatar 2023)
This is like the best video you've ever made! But im surprised you didnt run the engine on a lower mode
I don't think he said a single thing in this video that was actually true. This is the hottest garbage ever. It's so wrong it hurts
also what i think is not taken into consideration is that driving F1 car is more physically demanding than hypercar, due to the speed, the way the car drives etc. not saying hypercar is easy to drive at all but compared to F1 is easier and the drivers are still super exhausted at the end. 3 F1 drivers would not be nearly enough to get through 24 hours.
If it were the 2 hours of le mans and the car and extra ride height for the bumps on the public road parts, maybe
Fantastic video! What if you ran the numbers in another video on the V10 era?
1) not nearly enough flashing of the lights by the cars, gotta flash the cars you wont catch for 10 laps, or you wont catch them.
2) F1 cars are not designed to refuel, parts have to come off. and if they modified it to refuel, it wouldnt be allowed to carry as much. BOP would likely have them add weights to equal the original.
3) fully opening the cooling, would lower the f1 top speed.
F1 cars are not designed to run that long.
You could probably build enough gap to deal with that.
Not sure if someone mentioned it, but I think another point to consider would be the weather.
F1 cars usually struggle a lot during the rain, not to mention the driver's health, while the Hypercars seemingly don't have that issue (with some exceptions ofc), I only recently got into endurance racing and most of the time whenever there's a 24h race, rain does happen often and especially during the night it would make it much more difficult for the F1 car to perform well.
Me personally I'd say that F1 obviously has much better pace than the Hypercars, but on a 24h race it would most likely not be able to finish
F1 cars only struggle in the wet when they are behind another F1 car (visibility), but here it would never be behind another F1 car.
@THEWINDTUNNEL But it would be behind some of the Hypercars at times, which would most likely give the same effect.
And like I said before, the drivers would most likely not be able to handle the harsh conditions when it comes to their health
Probably with a bunch pf mods to make the engine last over 48 hours its possible if there is no contact chassis may need to be modded as well to tolerate more damage
If an F1 car can last 6 hours of Le Mans I'd be impressed. It will never last the full 24 unless they do engine, gearbox, suspension, and brake swaps.
Not only the reliability would be a problem also the weather, we all know that the Night which was mostly „skipped“ in this Video would be the part that would show if a F1 Car would perform. And we also know that it rains nearly every LeMans race which would also make the F1 Car Slower
Great concept and video, did you use Assetto Corsa to simulate the 24 hour race, or another game.
I seriously doubt F1 engine out of the box would be able to withstand 24 hours of near constant running. Serious changes would've been needed which would result in what by all accounts a new class or a formula for F1 derived 24 hour race car. So, on purely technical grounds, no, F1 car couldn't wing 24 hours of Le Mans.
I don't think F1 car's gearbox is rated for a continuous run. Sure it can last the distance, but F1 race are not a continuous 24 hours of runtime
I'd also be interested if you throw in a Porsche 919 in there, and see how big of a difference LMP1 could make.
With the amount of time on the straights I reckon the F1 car would overheat after a couple of hours.
It's not continuous, there's a 12-minute stop every 2 hours!
@@THEWINDTUNNEL A regular F1 engine would be taking a week break vs 12 minutes
I think one of the main issues would be a lack of lights on the car. They ain't gonna win if the can't even see the track at night
It sure would be a challange to drive an F1 car without headlights during the night
Numbnuts, the NASCAR vehicle also doesn’t have lights, but they added them in for the 24 Hour race. These guys are smarter than you think.
Good video, however the F1 car would no doubt employ tactic such as not going flat out to extend runs in between stops.
The breaks and suspension would be beefed up to cope so its stops would be shorted and less frequent.
An easy win for F1
I'm amazed that it was this close tbh! Tbh in reality I think the F1 car would probably have an accident, since they're more fragile than hypercars and it's extremely difficult to do 24 hours without any contact at all.
The F1 can't win, it cant even do a double stint. Ignoring the fact that the engine cant last the average race distance even on 10 race distances (305 km x 10 races = 3050km) and thats being generous.
Which downforce setup did the F1 car used? I believe Le Mans would demand some setup like Monza
An average F1 race is about 300km. They get another 20 or 30km during practice and qualifying. If you add in the sprint races and divide the total mileage by the 4 engines an F1 team is allowed in a year without penalty (and most teams end up taking the penalties to use one or two more), an F1 engine only runs about 2000km. The winning car at LeMans will driver over 5000kms.
Brake changes as well as other maintenence would have to be made that could cost severel laps each pit stop for the F1 car. That and driver changes. I dont think an F1 car would be able to do this flawlessly.
Hard to do driver changes in an F1 car as they can't adjust the seats without removing lots of parts because each seat is wholly moulded to the driver.
I think you'd need at least 2 F1 cars and 2 drivers to run 24 hours as the cars are not designed to run that long
The engine honestly isn't the concern, modern F1 engines are built to last as it helps their image of sustainability and keeps costs down, something the sport has been scrutinized heavily for the past few seasons. I can see overheating being an issue, though. If you gave a competing F1 team a month to design components like suspension, aero and the floor durable enough to finish Le Mans, I doubt they'd find it a challenge and all those parts would hold up, easily. I think the biggest concern would be eating through tyres, if we're saying it's on the current Pirelli F1 tyre offerings. Even then, I can see a world where that's a non-issue even with Pirelli's engineered-in cliffs in the tyres, and I think in a wet race the F1 car would have even more of a pace advantage and inters/wets that would comfortably last hours. Also, Fernando did a lap in an F1 car in 2021 that we can get plenty of data from. Driver 61 has a video covering it on his channel
Be a bit of a challenge at night with no lights
They should do a Garage 56 style thing w a formula 1 car. I like all the considerations that were made in the simulation!
Really enjoyed this one, great work
Thank you buddy!
"He will stay off the curbs......" No F1 driver will ever be capable of that.....
It`s also worth mentioning that 499f is quite slow prototype, maybe group C level. Porsche 919 or ts050 are much faster
Imagine being 30 minutes into a 24 hour race and you get blue flags. I'd just be like, "WTF?!?!"
I'd love to see this ideal in real life!
I'd even pay for this 😃
And this is ONLY with the Hypercar grid. Add LMP2 and LMGT3, it will be EXTRA painful to stay cautious.
Also, just to give the F1 extra win, they definitely gonna run the Monza Setup. Small wing, minimal wing adjustment.
Hello, great video ! Appreciate it 🔥
I was wondering which mods did you use for the hypercars ?
My lone thing with the F1 car is that the slightest touch would likely destroy the suspension as currently constructed. Obviously, Le Mans tries not to be quite the rough and tumble sport that NASCAR is, but there's some contact that comes with the territory. I'd always be worried about breaking either the wing or the suspension at the slightest touch.
Lapped traffic would be a nightmare for the F1 car.
How would the F1 car run at night? Need to add lights = extra weight. Also, no tyre warmers allowed now, how does that impact it?
The night goes by... The F1 car has crashed since it has no headlights
Now Race with GT3 and LMP2 cars😁
The only way I see an f1 car getting onto the Le Mans Grid is under Garage 56, and even then would probably need to be a detuned older car to even think about surviving the race distance, unless they tone down the horsepower that engine wont last 24 hours
adding wheelcovers or bodywork will make an f1 more aero efficient than its weight penalty. Reliability on paper is doable, and some f1 teams have made engines and gearboxs last long enough over a season to not fall foul of the engine limit penalties.
But we know it will clap the cheeks of any lemans car ever by the stopwatch.
an interesting vid would be how far back in time would you need to go back in f1 time to make a fair fight... i reckon early 80s vs lmp1h
Lets also not forget you have a field of 50-55 cars. The F1 car will get held up behind a tailgater. There will be laps under the safety car for crashes or weather conditions........
Its possible but speed cheat on Hypercars obviously distance of a lot Le-mans would have to work on speed increases in Hypercar
Except the RB20 swaps engine every 3 hours and gearbox, it's not feasible. We haven't even talked about how many sets of tires itll use the stressed components changes
Is that an old track model but with chicanes? I didn’t think the hill at the end of the mulsanne straight was that big
le mans cars are highly regulated with power limits, minimum weight and such
i mean if a driver can drive an f1 for longer hours at a time would be a better question, lewis stated that f1 drivers lose 3 to 4 lbs each race, there's no airconditioning, open cock pit high g forces, driving at those speeds for extended periods is a formula for accidents to happen.
What mod is that 499P? I'm part of a league that do endurance racing on AC, but the Hypercars we're using are by TRR and this one seems slightly higher quality.
Is it part of a pack as well?
W11 vs Porsche 919 Evo in Le Mans ❤
I think the engine wouldn’t necessarily be the first issue, I think the brakes would need a lot more work. Currently F1 brakes are build to last 800 km, Hypercar brakes are built to last 6000 km.
Good experiment. I remember kinda pitching this idea on your f1 vs lmh video?
Which F1 vs lmh video? I don't think I've ever done that before 😅
@@THEWINDTUNNEL oh. Huh. Maybe it's another channel. Lol. I forgot who or if it was you. But basically, I think the video was an F1 vs LMH one lap. And I suggested to instead maybe try a full GP race, not exactly a 24 hr race. I think you did better taking into account other factors. But we'll still never know. Anyway, can you do a group C vs LMH, or Group C old vs 1991 Group C era? Like xjr9 vs xjr14 race.
Very well done. F1 should have used Garage 56 though. :-)
Yeah aint no way. the thing breaks 6 Hours in... In an Endurance Race it isnt just enginge breaks and transmission... EVERY tiny part needs to last 24 Hours. In no world does a F1 car survive that
exactly people seem too forget that an car is not only the engine, the tyres or the transmission. no part in an formula car is build too last this long under full pressure, even half the pressure is too much. after max 3 hours the car would break down or fall apart on the track itself. and i`am not talking about the engine, the transmission or the tyres, there are many many other parts that wouldn`t last this long in race speed.
Id oove to see a F1 team just carry sets of F1 cars with them
Next one, F1 car in the Montecarlo rally snowy night
Sorry bro, but as a driver from Road to le Mans last week, I can tell you that changing breaks is most faster than you simulated… On a GT3, I took a chrono of 1 minute and 15 seconds to change 4 tires and front breaks with only 4 guys working on the car (it was amazing to see it btw !). So considering 5 minutes for all four seems to be more realistic if the guys are a bit low 😅 Nice sim btw, thx for your content !
Wow that's so cool, hope you had fun. The thing F1's brakes are WAY more complex that the one's in a GT3 car. Other components (bodywork, suspensions, oil refills) would have to be changed too. That's why it takes that long.
Lots of components of the F1 car have a limited amount of time they can be used before they have to be replaced. Brakes, suspension, wings, and so on. The Brawn gp car from Jenson Button f.i. can not be driven in anger any more because a lot of those parts must be replaced, but there are no replacement parts.
So, a F1 car can not do the 24 hrs without spending hours in the pits.
Some other things, they can not be refuelled quickly, they need loads more tyres than the Hypercar, have no lights, no lightened number on the side and I doubt if they can be driven as low to the ground as they need for the ground effect to be maximized. The Mulsanne straight has a crest in it and ruts from lorry's.