IndyCar vs Formula 1 car: Technical Comparison
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 พ.ค. 2024
- Which is faster: Lewis Hamilton's Formula 1 car, or Scott Dixon's IndyCar? Both have had major success in their respective championships, but how different are the two machines? Using our latest 3D animations, Jake Boxall-Legge breaks down everything there is to compare with IndyCar and Formula 1 cars, from aerodynamics, power, tyres, fuel and more.
0:00 Comparing IndyCar and Formula 1
1:11 Comparing The Stats
2:09 Halo vs Aeroscreen
2:46 The Aerodynamics
4:36 Engine vs Engine
5:39 Fuel Types
6:22 Tyres, Steering and Refuelling
7:12 Lap Times at Circuit of the Americas
7:46 Race Tracks and Formats
8:21 Why You Should Watch IndyCar and F1
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track limits in f1 "sometimes the white line, sometimes over the kerb"
track limits in inycar "if it's gray, it's okay"
They race an complete other track without track limits lmao
Blahahahah good one ☝️
Two years ago at COTA Paul Tracy said "I'm glad they aren't enforcing track limits...let them race!" Someone crashed at the very corner he was blatting about, and the next guy, following the same "right to the wall" line, smacked into the guy that had crashed. Good thinking there, Paul.😕
@@MeanGeneSanDiego Former race car drivers saying typical brain damaged things.
To be fair, for literally like all of indycar’s races (with the exception to COTA) the track limit is either a barrier or the grass, so when you spend your career driving with essentially “anywhere that’s asphalt is part of the track” you can imagine why they handled the runoff like they did.
I love how there’s no bias in this video, towards Indy car or F1.
Only in the comments
I think I recognise the voice in this. Driver61 maybe??? That's your reason.
Agreed. Great video.
Same
Comments starting "I love how" add nothing to the conversation
Can we please talk about the amazing graphics in the video? Wow!
Yeah! The part about halo/aeroscreen had me wondering how he did it.
the tires in the garage blew my mind so amazing!
Yeah the visuals are fantastic. I thought they actually managed to get the two side by side initially.
Yeah, it's super well-made. Looks as good (or better, definitely more 3D modeling work) than something F1's youtube would post
Say something about them then.
Indycar also gives unbelievable access to the garage area and teams for not alot of money. It's incredible to see the cars up close with almost completely unrestricted access and makes for a fantastic fan experience.
I agree! I go to the Mid-Ohio race, and it is crazy how much access the sport gives you. I always have this feeling of "am I okay to be in here?" because they allow fans to get super close to the team and drivers. It's wild to me how championship drivers just walk up to fans and say hello to everyone, sign autographs, and take photos with them. It never feels like the fans are "in the way" because there is such a respectful relationship between fans and the teams.
I have a fun story. I was maybe 10 when I went to see my idles race shop. (Ed Carpenter) back when it was right next to Indy. It was closed at the time and I didn’t know and just walked in. I met a lady who worked there and she gave me a free shirt and hat and told me to give her one second. I shit you not Ed Carpenter then came to me and gave me a full tour for free. He also gave me a pair of his racing shoes from the previous years Indy 500. IndyCar drivers and their teams are some of the nicest people in Motorsport you will every meet. Such a great sport
@@ChadARoberts one reason i love Road America. You can stand 5 feet from the crew working on the car.
Fans respect teams when they need more room or push cars out of the garages.
Cool stuff for sure.
Try that with F1
@@dandahl5964 Exactly! You're spot on!
@@ChadARoberts I was at Birmingham a few years ago and I completely agree. It was amazing.
"In oval trim it can theoretically hit 370 km/h" Scott Dixon's pole for the Indy 500 this year had an average speed of 372km/h and trap speeds into turn three of IMS were as high as 386 km/h.
With the upcoming hybrid engine revision for indycar, meaning more power, we might witness 400kph down the indy500 backstraight.
@@izzdin6228 For safety reasons that won't happen, the current record lap of 382kmh will probably never be broken.
@@izzdin6228 I don't think the electric motor will be used on ovals
Truly incredible
242mph was the fastest going into turn 3 at indy this year
What most folks need to do is just watch both and don’t compare what’s better
Just enjoy the racing
Or better yet, watch neither.
@@happykillmore349 why would I watch neither if we are watching a TH-cam video about it. If it doesn’t interest you why be here?
@@happykillmore349 this guy is weird... 😂🤣
Yeah, we cant compare both, different sports..
Comparing racing series is like comparing football to baseball or tennis or hockey. It’s counter productive and doesn’t actually prove anything.
If you’ve never watched IndyCar I’d definitely recommend it. It’s really good racing and there’s a large amount of victors in a season instead of just a few. You never know who will win.
Trouble is, at this point, F1 isn't about the Drivers, but the money that gets spent on the car. Spend a ton of money, and you win more races than the ones who can't spend as much. At least with IndyCar, all of the teams use the same basic chassis. I prefer IndyCar, really, because it's more about the drivers than the car.
@@Thesdr666 There's a cap now in F1 so hopefully it will even the field a bit more.
@@MetalCharlo hopefully but I can’t help but feel like it’s just a short term solution
Just watch f2
@@Thesdr666 WTF! NO! Check the 2022 rules
F1 is a manufacturers competition and Indycar is a drivers competition. F1 has unequal cars by design with the cars being developed constantly and the big money payout being for the Manufacturers title. Indycars have mostly spec cars where the cars are not the stars, just the equipment for the competition. Both have their merits.
I enjoy the cars in F1 and the competition between teams. The competition is between teams, then teammates. Put George Russell in a Mercedes and he would compete for wins every weekend. I enjoy Indycar because the racing is more competitive due to almost equal equipment and the cars being designed with racing in mind, like designing the aero being designed to allow close following. But if you strip out the series and just put the cars side by side, an F1 car is a technological masterpiece compared to an Indycar.
Couldn't have said it any better
I can hear the screams of Formula One elitist fanboys now lol
Very well said. I enjoy both for these same reasons.
Plus Indy Car has to design cars that can handle rough street courses, and high speed ovals. Different courses for different courses. Same as with the development of LMP endurance cars, neither F1 nor Indy Car could complete a 24 hour race on a bet.
@Richard There is a manufacturer championship, it's just that besides for the manufacturers themselves, nobody cares about it (so it's barely mentioned on the broadcasts and what not). The manufacturers themselves care more about winning Indy, they're just forced to supply engines for the entire season if they want the privilege of racing at the biggest race in the world (Indy 500).
Because only two manufacturers provide engines for the entire field, they use the points from the top 3 finishes from each manufacturer each race.
I don’t really understand why some like to say one type of Motorsport is “better” than another. There’s different things to enjoy in each kind
Why not? you could argue that you find one more entertaining than the other... and it is a fact that one has vastly superior/more involved engineering than the other. I you think those things make something 'better' then you can pick the one you like.
@@noomade I think just because it is better engineered doesn’t make it better. Tracks, strats, cars are different in every motorsports tho some may have similarities, it’s still not apple to apple comparison
@@tigerfung5575 Like I said it depends. You said you dont really understand. I am giving you reasons why. If someone is fascinated by how much can be extracted from a machine given a set of rules than the person will surely prefer F1 to anything. That is a good reason for some.
If someone is interested in seeing the fastest cars to go around a race track, then they will think F1 is better. etc etc.
I am not trying to tell you what you should like, but you should be able to understand why someone might find one sport more fascinating .
Because it is, I personally think that this video is an insult to formula 1, a lot of factors were not considered to make it look like they are really that close and comparable. I don't mean it's an insult to be compared to indycar, but it's an insult to put it this way and not give f1 more credit for the more intensive engineering battle, more demanding driving skills, and a lot more spending. It may hurt for an american but f1 is just overall a cut above indycar, even f2 and formula nippon are a league above indycar.
@@MB-en3ij well said. Although I think the argument of 'one is not better than the other' doesn't even hold any water even if you don't point out that F1 is vastly superior is so many ways..
Quite simply people can chose whatever criteria they want to say one is better for them than the other.
I mean someone could even say they think F1 is not as good because it involves to much engineering.
For me it is hard to take a series as seriously when its cars would be smoked in so many other similar series....
I just started to watch Indy this season, it has a bit less overtakes than what I thought it would have, but the races are amazing, strategy and yellow flags provides us with a nice unpredictability
the aeroscreen is doing that... but we need that safety
@@naynay1139 I watch overseas versions just for that reason. And Leigh diffey can be annoying sometimes
Exactly, it's almost a spec series so it's down to strategies and what the driver can do. F1 can be unpredictable, but not as much as indy. Mostly because we know the 4 teams in F1 that can challenge for a podium and 2 of them for the win.
The racing is good. The broadcast is terrible. You have no idea who's on what strategy, who has pitted or still needs to pit, who used tyres a or b... And don't get me started on the random radios, the different liveries through the season and, of course, the unbearable TV ads.
@@gusta090 yes
I also use the Indycar app to watch the race alongside tv. It varies per race, but sometimes they have my favorite driver's onboard camera, and everyone has their radio broadcasted.
For instance, the Indy 500 race takuma Sato was stretching fuel to have one less stop. He missed it by about 3 laps, but it added a drama that the TV broadcast totally missed.
"'defecting from f1 to join indy''
Thats a pretty nice way to put it
Yeah. It'd be more accurate to say that they were kicked out of Formula 1 and they settled for Indy.
@@Christopher_TG But some did find success, Montoya got another 500 after leaving F1, Sato has gotten two 500’s, Dixon left the ladder system and has gotten 6 championships and a 500
I thought the same thing 👍
Yes, I was going to make that point too!
@@Christopher_TG There's a LONG list of drivers who turned down F1 rides for Indy. Fact. I'll listen to both F1 and Indy drivers over F1 fans. They seem to disagree with F1 drivers themselves. I wonder why.
I recently watched a series about f1 with my dad, and a running theme has been teams with lower budgets being at a severe disadvantage, and good drivers being held back by their teams. Got to admit this is making Indycar seem very appealing, having a far more even playing field.
Yeah it’s very even, any day really any of the drivers can pull something crazy
Meh, spending was reigned in season 3 of that show
It's because F1 has different history i think. For F1, It had been about constructors rather than the drivers. This is the platforms for manufacturers and engine producers to advertise their prowess. So, drivers were secondary. And maybe even still are.
@@PelikeMaia Yeah, that's why it doesn't appeal to me, it's glorified marketing trying to be a race. When your junior series is more interesting, you know you screwed up.
@@PelikeMaiaNo its not. They only two manufactors that actually build there own cars and power units are Ferrari and Alpine / Renault. All the other teams are built by independant engineering teams based usually in Britain. Mercedes = Brawn, Redbull= Ford/Jaguar, Alfa Romero = Sauber. All the teams do is temporarily buy into the teams inorder to badge the cars with there name. Like Afla Romero will be sold off to Audi i b 2025. Exact same team differnet name/manufactor.
I would consider myself a Formula 1 fan first, but IMO there's no reason to 'love one, hate the other'. In the last few years I've followed both series pretty closely, and that just means double the racing action! I won't give spoilers, but watch the last 10 laps of this year's '500. What a race!
Same! Any excuse to have a race on (esp when Monaco and the 500 are on the same day like last year) makes for a great Sunday.
I’m first and foremost a F1 fan, then WEC, F2, Indy, IMSA, WRC, DTM
A motorsport who don’t follow F1, is like a rocket fan that doesn’t care about SpaceX. The race maybe boring, but that’s also a result of constructor championship. I love learning about different chassis designs and aero upgrades at every race. But for Indy, it’s just Honda vs Chevrolet lol
Good video, but I wish they mentioned the cost of operating a F1 team vs an IndyCar team (and even LMP1 team).
The LMP 2 car seems to be what a f1 car looks like as a racing coupe
Something like 10M usd running an indy team for a year... For the F1 next year the cap will be around 145M usd, but the real cost of a top team is around 250M usd, I saw an interview with Lewis Hamilton where he says that the Mercedes team spends more than all the NASCAR teams combined
Exactly what I wanted to hear. Indycar is like Formula Two which also does not have different Constructors. For example:
"Who builds the chassis for all the Indycar teams?" Dallara builds all the chassis for every Indycar team.
"Okay, who builds the chassis for all the Formula Two teams?" Dallara builds all F2 chassis.
I'm sorry to say it but I don't find F2 even remotely as interesting as seeing the different constructors in F1.
Same with indy car.
The best part of F1 is the demand for maximizing human cleverness in engineering. Although everyone has to follow the same F1 rulebook, the variations are the interesting part of individual engineers' talent and cleverness.
When all the engineering is done by Dallara, the opportunity for human cleverness and differentiation among the teams - well it's missing in F2 and indy car.
It's like comparing a Camaro to a Lotus Emira or a Ferrari or McLaren or Lamborghini. The Camaro is nice but pedestrian, common, very little cleverness there.
a single F1 Team operation cost can buy the whole indycar franchise.
The animation where they showed the halo under the aeroscreen was really nice
The latest Dallara IndyCar is absolutely gorgeous! ♥
The thing with indycar is that for a swede not wanting a TV package it's bloody impossible to find both a legal and an illegal stream, I've never found any sport being so hard to find even on an illegal way to watch..
No problem here in the USA.....
R/indycar and lots of discord servers have people sharing races. I do them for my friends in the UK and South Korea
@@josephpenn1115 Yup, i literally stream everything through reddit links. A bit unreliable, but you can usually find some way to watch whatever you want. I saw Grosjean get P2 through a reddit link. Just gotta make sure your phone or PC has the correct software defenses to prevent viruses, malware, etc.
There's a guy on twitch who has a bunch of accounts that are called geo8(series of numbers), he has a rather long list of race series he does less then legitimate live streams of the races, practice and qualifying of and IndyCar is one of them.
Its so easy to find a free stream.
Jimmy Johnson (7x nascar champ.) is also running IndyCar now. Super diverse field with drivers from so many different disciplines.
Ethan, it's been fun watching Jimmy try his hand in IndyCar. I also like how there's a wide variety of drivers. There are some great older drivers and some super talented young guys coming up in the sport. It shows that there will be lots of great racing in the future in IndyCar.
This is why indycar is so cool to me. F1 seems like every single driver has the same come-up: Started karting while a toddler, entered feeder series, tested for F1, gets a seat on the grid. Indycar is more like where drivers from every single discipline of motorsport coming from varying backgrounds come to race on equal terms. You get younger drivers who demonstrate that they have the genuine skill to defeat F1 drivers but just didn't have the money growing up to get into any Formula series, you get salty old stock car guys discovering that they have a knack for open-wheeled racing, and you have international drivers kicking around for a season just to try it out only to stay and become a regular. You just don't get that in F1, you simply don't.
Jake, Indycars 772kg is WITHOUT driver. So that's a 80kg offset + 20kg of car. So 100kg weight difference.
Sorry! Made a mess of that one didn't I
@@jakeboxall-legge640 good video otherwise :)
@@Scotracer1987 thank you, most kind!
wait what?
I thought op was talking to autosport
I treat all auto racing as if they were my children. I love them all but for different reasons. If a race is on it's a good day!
I'm a fan of both F1 and Indycar, but would point out that Indycar has had different winning drivers in each of its first 7 races in 2021 (5 winning teams), while F1 has had just 3 winning drivers (2 teams) in its first 6 races. The inequality amongst teams is what F1 hopes to iron out somewhat in its planned rule changes in the next couple of years, which is less of a problem in Indycar.
Didn't work it's 2023 now and over a second a lap 1 team ahead cruising.
It won't change as in F1 every team designs their own car and is not a spec-series. With budget-cap the gap between the teams will reduce but there will always be some teams who will do a better job than others. Like in this season, from P2 to P10 is really close, there is no backmarker - but RB is ahead of everyone else. But needless to say 2021 was an amazing season.
I would like that video on the split and eventual reunion of the Indy/cart series.
I’ve actually seen a few good videos on it, but the best by far has to be a 4 part series by nascarman History. He also did a video on the original IndyCar split between CART and USAC in the 70’s and 80’s. I would highly recommend all 5 videos.
@@psychlops924 I agree with you; I’ve even seen that series. But this video asked if we as followers would like to see a video (from more of an F1 point of view, I’d assume), I would like ALSO like to see that.
Wish F1 was as competitive as IndyCar
You're a weirdo. F1 is leagues more competitive than it's ever been. It could stand to be more competitive but you want a spec series to have the same competition as a stock series. This is impossible and would shred whatever it means to be an f1 team to achieve. Like both things for what they are separately. F1 doesn't need to be Indy, there's already Indy for that.
@@JulesBrunoJjBaggy The cars cannot follow each other which makes overtaking uncommon (unless aided by DRS). I watch and enjoy both but you have to admit it gets boring watching the same 2 teams smoke the rest of field.
Then watch spec series
@@ricardodelorenzo3954 overtaking is more common now than ever. Again, it could stand to be more common but I don't agree that it's boring if 2 teams always win. Everyone heads into the weekend with a goal, Alfa wants points, mclaren wants to beat ferrari and mercedes wants the double title. If you don't pretend that they're all supposed to be trying to win then you won't be disappointed.
@@JulesBrunoJjBaggy yea I agree with you there, the midfield racing is usually the most exciting. I'm not saying all the cars need to be the same spec but hopefully with the new car in 2022 we will see a closer field
I used to look down my nose at Indy car but now I started watching it a little and it's pretty entertaining
I'm an F1 fan and I actually am starting to like it more.
Same.. really got in to it. Ovals are just insane. I love f1 but it's all become a little turgid, hopefully the 2022 regs will shake it up..
If you have never attended an indycar race, I highly recommend it. I go to Road America every time they are there and you get so much access just with a general admission ticked (about $80 usd). You can easily meet most of if not all your favorite drivers and teams.
I restarted to look at some indycar races since alonso came back the first time at indy, and realy enjoy the show! I now look the long highlights of every race and realy like the wheel to wheel action! Also the fuel pit stop is so much fun! Remember me back in the early 2000 when Michael Schumacher was the master of putting the hammer down for 3 laps and past a lot of car by the pit stop beacause of cleaver strategy by ross brown and his brilliance beind the wheel of been able to deliver qualy time laps during the race!
this video is so perfect. from the CGI to the editing and the unbiased naration.
Great summary of the open wheel classes.
If anyone hasn’t watched, IMSA & WEC are two other top-tier, awesome series to watch. The wheel-to-wheel racing in all categories can be amazing!
I thought this year's Indy 500 was exciting. A lot of passing and you didn't know who would win until the end. The bottom line is its entertainment. The days of Berger and Alessi screaming through the valley at Spa in their V-12's were the best.
I used to watch a lot of Indy Car years ago. Drivers were so much more aggressive compared to the Formula 1, making it more unpredictable and fun.
Very valuable piece of comparison. Excellent and a much needed fair assessment of each. Well done 👍👍
Would have been nice to mention that putting a F1 car on the road costs an order of magnitude more cash than an Indycar. Good video though.
The biggest price difference is probably the RND, I doubt the car it self would cost a magnitude more. Both use similar materials and machining processes.
@@victormcdirt9853 Ryan may have used the wrong terminology. What he meant was a season for Indycar 3-8 million per car per year vs 175 million for F1
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@@victormcdirt9853 You'd doubt wrong then.
The Power Unit in an F1car...costs what an entire IndyCar team costs for a season. About $4.5 million USD
The chassis of an F1 car costs about 1.4 Million USD
The gearbox costs about a million.
JUST the front wing on an F1 car costs about 200K. I am not even kidding. It costs about 150k GBP, which is about 210K USD. A set of brakes will cost you the same.
Even the floor, the undertray of an F1 car, costs about 80k USD.
Hell, even the data box and the telemetry programme inside, costs about 95k USD. For something about the size of a mobile phone.
If you total everything up, all the components from rear wing to front, everything between, the car costs..... about $9,000,000.00 USD plus loose parts, so round up to 12mil.
That's ONE CAR.
You have to run TWO for the season.
It is MAGNITUDES more expensive than Indy JUST to make ONE car.
But it is also R&D and overall operational costs.
Because you have two cars. Just two cars. Which also means you have to have enough parts for two, what's the point of just two complete cars, which might be very incomplete after lap one of the next race? Most parts you have make yourself, so you also need tooling sophisticated enough to make those insanely expensive, precision engineered parts, and you have also have some place big enough to keep it all, which you could always rent, not buy, but still going to cost you a pretty penny, especially for all the services and utilities connected to it.
We have not even hired, or paid anyone yet either.
So we're not done, R&D and simply Wages/Salaries still gotta be accounted for too. Including Driver salaries.
So, we have spent about $25,000,000.00 on two cars, about the same on parts... we need at least three spare engines per car, that's double the money there, but let's say we somehow put parts in their too, making those parts is not similar, the parts are engineered with tolerances well above any other racing series. They are fine tuned to the point F1 engineers consider any part which lasts longer the minimum number of laps it needs to, be replaced without penalty, as over engineered. So guess what? The machines, and computers, and software used to make those parts, and work those materials to those levels, are really REALLY expensive too. Add about the same for that.
So we're at 75,000,000 million, that's without wages or salaries, and without transport around the world for each race, and not counting all additionals like marketing, and for example, a big one, INSURANCE, plus of course like millions a year to your lawyers and accountants, just to keep everything tidy, lest something get away one you and cost you millions.
But the time you are done, you're spending about $50,000,000.00 USD JUST on TWO CARS, if you include all the spare engines and parts. Add all the rest? A light budget is about $150,000,000.00 USD for an F1 team, and can go right up to about $350,000,000.00, or slightly more, but who is counting at this point?
So yeah, the cars truly are MAGNITUDES more expensive... and they just about a quarter of the costs of your team.
@@victormcdirt9853 Well, RND is definitely part of the price difference, but that's definitely not the only difference. It costs way more to manufacture parts for 2 cars all with unique tooling than it does for 33 cars for a spec series where RND isn't allowed. Saying the materials for the cars would be about the same misses the point completely. If you're an F1 team, RND is part of the budget and why it's minimally $50M/car/season.
Thanks for the informational video for the people who don’t have the time to look up the differences and apply them! Preciate the team!🤟🏿🏁 love F1 and Indy
I would have mentioned IndyCar's ability for the driver to maneuver the suspension manually during a lap, vs say DRS
I’ve been looking for this video for months, thank you it’s perfect!
Very informative, fair and balanced assessment of both respective types of racing- Thanks for teaching me something new🙂.
Great non-biased video! Good content.
F1 is all about acceleration and taking corners, Indycar is all about speed, thus the differences in design. However, an Indycar on a regular track with corners and everything, although A LOT slower, is more engaging to drive and gives more part to the pilot and less to the machine
It isn’t even A LOT it’s just a little
🙏 thank you, probably one of the best comparisons (any subject) videos I’ve encountered 🙏
2 of my three favorite racing disciplines in one video. Nice work, team!
A video on the cart irl split would be vvv appreciated, like it’s so so confusing
Love these! Keep them coming. xD
Thank you for explaining the differences so succinctly. Excellent video.
Extremely informative and thorough. Thank you.
Lets just all prays for the E-fuel!
As dude mentioned, E-fuel would kick out hybrid technology from racing. That means, with further investments, it could completely replace fossil fuels. And that, ladies and gentlemens means NO FUCKING VACUUM CLEANER CARS!
Vroom vroom for the win!!
okay. But do u know about the porsche 919 hybrid evo?
@@3lric81 Yes, but not the details
@@Unknown-rk9qm theres a vid on this cahnnel about the car. its amazing.
Graphics and animations in this video are off the chart 💯
Great video. Good explanation and summary. Both classes are great
Very informative and well done. Thank you!
The 12 seconds per lap on a 1m36s lap time is quite a significant difference actually. Thanks for this video!
Yes, but the indy only has 30% of the downforce of the F1 and a less powerful 300 hp engine. In 2023 the hybrid indy engine will give you more than 900 hp and the load will necessarily increase so the times will get quite close
But it doesn't make the Indy car race any less exciting. Hell if they put turbine engines in they would go even faster, but it would be more boring.
Speed isn't everything.
It is, but don't for a second think it makes the Indy cars slow. I've seen them in person, both at road courses and ovals, and they are quite impressive to watch.
Modern F1 cars are just incredibly, RIDICULOUSLY fast. People need to appreciate this era right now, because it may be a long time before we hit these speeds again. I know there's complaints about the dirty air and Mercedes dominance, but we should all take a moment to realize how insanely quick today's F1 cars are. I really think we'll look back with nostalgia at 2019-2021 in a similar way to how people look back at the V10 era.
Also worth pointing out, in a couple years that pace difference between F1 and IndyCar will shrink. F1 cars are getting heavier next year, in addition to having larger, heavier wheels, and they're losing some downforce. IndyCar is coming out with a new engine in 2023 that is expected to have ~100 hp more, in addition to a hybrid component. So expect 850-900 hp, but they're leaving Chevy and Honda some room for continued development, and they expect to make up to 1000 hp after a few years. Exciting times ahead!
It's weird when some F1 fans talk down to indycar, it exposes those people as fake racing fans. There's no question the racing is better in indycar but the cars are better in F1. F1 is not conducive to good racing, every pass looks the same and they are only done by a couple drivers. America could make super machines too obviously but that's not good for racing. Making the drivers work without power steering, lower downforce, etc is a challenge for the best drivers. Ovals are amazing intricate too. Ovals are only easy for the people that don't want to race up front. Winning ovals takes extreme skill
Great video, and great on presenting the facts without choosing sides.
Living in Canada I followed and attended Indy Car races until the split, I never got back into it since although my interest in Indycar racing is on the rise last 2-3 years.
excellent presentation regarding the differences between the two racing series. they both are hard, and exciting .
THANK YOU FOR METRIC UNITS! Upvoted on that.
Nice comparison of the two of the best top racing series in the world. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I've never said this, but this video is truly amazing. Incredible job & details by the editor 👏
Amazing video! I always wondered what the differences were! Thanks!
Starting following IndyCar the last year or two after years of watching F1. Have to admit I really like it. Its a bit less technical so the build up to races isn't as interesting but it reminds me a lot more of how F1 use to be and I think as a whole the races are more exciting.
Before anyone says anything, these are two different series. Formula one is a manufacturer based sport and indycar is a driver-based sport.
constructor series and spec series*
@@Ian-wq3vg thank you for putting it into terms that anyone who would be needing any opinions from this video would not understand
Way to simple to state. Yes, in F1 the car is more important than it is in Indycar. But bigger teams in Indycar are more successful for a reason, and the cars in F1 are sometimes pretty close to each other, like right now, or in 2017 and 2018 if you look at the recent years. If it was the car, team mates would score the same.
IndyCar is the best spec open-wheel series in the world and second only to Formula 1 in level of drivers in open-wheel racing. F1 really should be looking at some of the driving talent there and see how to funnel them into F1.
@@Christopher_TG Not sure if this is true and whether in IMSA and WEC the drivers are less. What is the best series is a personal thing. I really like the technological development we see I F1, but also WEC. That was always the basis for me to like racing.
And to be clear, some guys have tested, like Dixon for Renault. They decided not to take him. Newgarden was in European junior series and claims money was the issue, but his teammates were faster as well. F1 is jumping to have a good American.
Nice job! It was informative and interesting! 👋
I started watching IndyCar and I can say it is very exciting to watch!
Romain Grosjean looked like he enjoyed being on Pole and the Podium for the inner circuit recently.
and he said after thinking about it he's going to try an oval race this year.
No mention of brakes... big difference there too
This is an excellent video. Graphics are awesome and I learned a great deal. Although I have always been a Nascar fan since Junior Johnson was driving, I have followed Indy and F1 since AJ was a rookie and Moss was still behind the wheel. I could see Nascar in my backyard at it's beginning, but I had to wait for the other 2 to start being televised. I have attended many dozens of Nascar races, but only one Indy 500 ( it was worth the trip). I have yet to attend an F1 event, but I would love to. I drove in a small race once, Ten cars entered for ten laps on a third mile dirt track in SC. I finished third.
A great drummer for The Beach Boys, too. :)
Thanks for the information.... quite detailed
Indycar is simply hard not to like. Good looking cars, nice sounding engines, good racing, good drivers from different backgrounds, few driver aids or fancy, gimmicks and diverise schedule. So while Indycar might not be the most popular racing series in the world or even in America as nascar reigns supreme, it serves a vital role in the world of motorsports as it's pure in it's nature, can almost smell it when your watching it on TV.
There's something about it not being the pinnacle of motor racing that actually makes it hard to like. The cars are not cutting edge compared to F1, and the drivers are not all that good. It is also basically a championship series for North America. It's not a worldwide championship. Good drivers coming from F1 (like Mansell, Montoya, Sato, Alonso, Grosjean) immediately make an impact when they arrive at IndyCar. I can watch action packed wheel to wheel racing at the local go-cart track, but it just can't measure up to F1. That obviously has to do with the lack of international level and competition between drivers and teams alike. F1 is the cream of the crop. Indycar is not.
@@kimmern999 The drivers are not all that good? Montoya went from CART to F1 not the other way around, Alonso only did well the year they put him in the best car and most of the guys at the top for the past decade have never been anywhere near an F1 car. It took Sato years to learn how to do well in Indycar (So glad he finally got a good ride and figured it out) and Grojean had one good race so far so hats off to him, but it's not uncommon to have a new driver have a good race early on. Mansell was from a different era (An era when car development was everything) and when he had less of a car his second year he too struggled.
Also you forget to mention how there have been F1 guys like Barrichello who had no impact or success in Indycar.
@Rusty Galloway As someone that loves both F1 and Indycar, these are the elitist comments that make me cringe. Indycars are not supposed to be "cutting edge". It's a spec series so that the drivers make the biggest difference, not the cars. Indycars are not easy to drive. Watch on boards and you'll see the amount of steering corrections happening over the course of a lap. The cars are a handful and the drivers have to fight with the car constantly. In terms of "good F1 drivers coming over to indycar making an impact", Mansell was a great F1 driver, not a good one. Montoya is one of the best drivers ever and won in pretty much anything he competed in, Sato has 6 wins in 10 years, and Grosjean has completed only 3 races. Indycar is without a doubt one of the top racing series to compete in and has a ton of young talented drivers from all over the globe. F1 might be the pinnacle of motorsport, it's certainly the pinnacle of engineering and performance, but not everyone wants to see a series dominated by the same guys every week. Indycar has 5 different winners in 5 races so far this season.
@@jdvisualz3391 I'm a commoner, and this has nothing to do with elitism. I was just giving my opinion as to why IndyCar doesn't appeal to me the same way F1 does. We all have our personal preferences. Some say Indy is hard not to like, some (like me) feel quite the opposite. There is no need to throw the "elitist" accusation in a condescending manner at people like that. IndyCar is probably a great sport that can draw audiences and bring exitement to many people. It doesn't appeal to me personally. There is nothing elitist about such feelings.
@@xtlm No, I didn't forget to mention those drivers. I mentioned the drivers I wanted to mention. Why are you all getting so defensive about this? We are all just throwing out our personal opinions here. This is not a scientific discourse.
good unbias analysis and great graphics! After yesterday's Indy 500, I hope more racing fans follow Indycar. I hate the smug attitude against Indycar. The racing is a blast and the drivers are great to talk to. Fun fact: you can like both F1 and Indycar. They are two different types of racing, and they are great.
F1 elitists feels threatened by IndyCar bus its not like F1 is going away anywhere
FR. I love F1 but half of the fanbase shits on other Motorsport as if they’re part of an elitist fanbase.
Indy car is American so nobody cares. Just like about baseball or American football.
@Mindaugas so what you're saying is that nobody care about the moon lading because it was American?
A very fine and cogent comparison... Well made. Thanks.
Great viewing, Thanks !
It would be nice we could compare Indy car with F2 as I believe they are much more comparable as they are both Spec series and closer in terms of pace at least in road courses I guess F2 would be faster in road courses while indy's will take victory in ovals
The drivers in f2 for the most part wouldn't make it Indy. This is a comparison of two top tier racing series as much as the cars themselves.
@@penskepc2374 ermmm let me cut you off here, F2 is the actual feeder series to F1, half of the F2 grid is perfectly capable of joining F1 and top F1 drivers in my opinion are the best of the best in circuit racing. And what I am actually saying is that F2 and indycars are much more similar in circuit (not oval) pace than Indy and F1
@@christoforospaphitis4090 You are absolutely correct. Four of the hottest drivers in F1 and potential world champions, Max Verstappen, Lando Norris ,George Russell , Charles Leclerk came from F2 in the last five years. Together with many other current f1 drivers who moved to F1 this year. I think F2 cars are similar in pace to an indycar. I enjoy watching Indycar. Its just different.
I really admire the respect given to both series. Autosport, I thought you were meant to be a meme channel! This is good content!!
One correction tho - IndyCar's regs DO allow unlimited development of one thing, and that's the shock packages. Due to open shock development and the insane variety of courses and surfaces on the schedule, it isn't too much of a stretch to say IndyCar has some of the most advanced suspension systems in the world right now.
F1 and IndyCar are probably the last two elite-level series in the world worth watching right now. Anyone who is a fan of one will probably like the other.
I love both of them. IndyCar is an amazing circuit for accessibility. You can go to a track and get really close to the cars. And of course the Grand Daddy of them all is the Indy 500, which should be on everyone in the worlds bucket list. It's a sight to behold. But going to the Imola is also amazing (Autodromo Internazionale Enzo e Dino Ferrari). Do the tour of the track, it's worth the cost. And back to Indy 500, you MUST see the Indy 500 Museum, a treasure trove of amazing cars, technological advancements, and amazing innovations dating back to the first 500 in 1911.
Many thanks for a truly informed comparison!
Thanks for that! Excellent 💪🏼🙌🏼
i'd like to get into Indycar, if they had a service like F1 does for streaming live, I'd sign up and get into it. It's different, I'll admit but I like all racing.
It's way more intense than F1, Crazy passing, Crazy close competition through the whole field. It is the top level open wheel spec racing in the world. F1 is just the only developmental open wheel series in the world. Completely different series and sports almost.
@@Kyle86910 They have surprisingly little overtakes tho ngl
I love Indycar and F1. They have an Indycar race in Portland now which is awesome because I live there. I really hate the Indycar TV broadcast though. They do a disservice to the series. I feel like F1's media presence changed when Chase Carey took over. I wish something like that would happen for Indycar.
I think Red Bull should’ve set up an Indy car team and used a couple of their junior drivers in select events, then have Albon run the Indy 500
They've had one before, both in the Indy Racing League and Champcar during the split.
@@TheNFSJacob where are you from? Jupiter. Redbull never had a team in CART. or indycar. They had one in nascar. It lasted only few years.
LOL, RB run in some minor spec series?
@@ronbelanger4113 f2 is a “minor” spec series, Indycar is a spec series but is not minor.
The 3D renders in this video looks original and I am amazed at the quality of the raytracing and attention to detail and realistic imperfections.
Beautiful video, few are so well explained in a clear fashion, both motorsport serials are awesome, I dream of Indy coming again to Motegi JP and Monterrey MX.
Exceptionally well done. I didn’t hear an announce of bias and I learned a lot. I’m an F1 fan but I’m going to check out Indy (but non-oval track).
Well worth your time as another life long F1 fan. I'd encourage you to give the Indy 500 a try though! The street circuits and tracks are so cool though.
I always wondered if Indycar all uses the same chassis, then what can teams do to differentiate their performance from others.
Why are bigger teams like Penske and Chip Ganassi always dominating if everyone drives the same car? Are they allow to make individual developments to the car?
It's all about driver and setup. Everyone has a different driving style, but this is ultimately what it comes down to. These races are basically 1-makes, so they come down to the driver for the most part.
The only open development in Indycar is the Dampers. pretty much every team has a damper development program, but some teams focus on certain tracks more than others. For instance, AJ Foyt Enterprises and Ed Carpenter Racing focus the majority of their damper program's resources on their super speedway dampers to be their best at the Indianapolis 500, which is the most important race.
@@gdoumit So I am guessing bigger teams have the budget to hire the best drivers, and that’s what makes their team so successful?
@@HK_Productions47 interesting that dampers are the only things they can develop! I thought there must be more area for development because some teams are so much more consistent and quicker than others.
Perhaps there is more than just dampers?
@@lawrencepll76 Indycar development used to be wide open to chassis development like F1 until the early 90s. Every team used to design and develop their own car, but they were becoming seriously dangerous and without major factory backing, seriously expensive. The standardized car was developed for cost cutting.
started watching Indy during lockdown, it's a good series. but then again i watch dawn near every form of open wheel racing & endurance racing without fail(live at kayalami when i can) & don't get me started on motoGP, SBK ....
Brilliantly made video. Top marks in objectivity.
Been to both as a spectator, went to the inaugural Baltimore Indy Car Race (which was one an done because the crooked politicians didn't pay them) and I went to GP of Europe in Espanol both in 2012 and I enjoyed both immensely.
Great job on this video! I love F1 and IndyCar. The technology in F1 is amazing, and I enjoy the international element of the sport. For IndyCar, I like the fact that nearly any racer on the grid has a chance to win in any given race. I also like the wide variety of racing circuits in IndyCar. In my mind, F1 is a much more glamourous and exclusive sport. IndyCar, on the other hand, is very accessible to people living in North America. I've had the opportunity to attend several F1 and IndyCar races, and both are a lot of fun!
We need more people like you in the racing community.
This is a great video. I’ve always wondered what the difference is between the cars and series.
Damn, top quality video!
Please do a video on cart and IndyCar split please 🙏🙏🙏
There's already a video that's 4 parts long on youtube. Very detailed information about the split
I loved the indycars from before the split, have never really followed them since
What about push to pass vs Drs? Which do you think works better for the series it's deployed in?
F1 essentially has both. Most F1 cars have an overtake button which will boost the amount of electrical energy sent to the wheels from the battery for a brief amount of time. It's the same concept as the IndyCar P2P button, just using electrical power instead of ICE power.
I argue that the Push to Pass solution works better - there are no rules governing when drivers may use it, only a time limit on how much boost they’ve got per race. DRS, on the other hand, can only be used by a car following another by at most 1 second, in a designated zone, when race control says it’s safe - very limiting.
@@F-Man I agree...if I were racing I'd rather have a push to pass system as opposed to F1s DRS... however Dtm uses it's DRS like the push to pass. You can deploy 3 times a lap for 12-15 laps ...but with an F1 car I don't think I'd be brave enough to open the rear wing in a technical turning section lol
P2P is better, but it also will only work in a series where cars can actually follow eachother for any period of time.
Great video on the differences. Wish Super Formula was added too and compared all of the Dallara built chassis in each series.
Just got to see the Indy Long Beach GP live. Was fantastic!
This was a good video. It wasn’t condescending towards Indy racing
It would be cool if you compared the two after 2022 due to the new F1 regulations dramatically changing up the designs of cars.
Lol it didn’t change anything
Nicely done! Great video.
I love both Indycar and F1 since 1998. Still do to this day
Up to 6 cars per team in Indy... wow, I'd love to see more than 2 cars/drivers per team in F1.
fewer teams with more cars or 4x the amount of cars on track?
@@howdareyou41 Let’s go with the second one.
@@howdareyou41 it's impossible on F1 because of safety regulations + the cost of being a F1 team
Indycar is a great series and plenty hard to get a seat in, but the exclusivity of Formula 1 is what makes it what it is.
By exclusivity do you mean billionaire dads that’ll pay for their sons to race?
A billionaires boys club
@@dylanarnold5010 That doesn't happen often. There are currently only 3 drivers (Latifi, Mazepin, and Stroll) who are "pay" drivers. The rest had to work their way from lower series. Hell, Lewis Hamilton's family was poor before he got his chance with McLaren sponsorships. The whole pay driver thing isn't quite as common now as it used to be. And even the ones in F1 right now still had to get super licenses from the FiA by racing in junior series, so they are all still skilled drivers. Even if people hate Mazepin a lot and won't admit it
@@dylanarnold5010 Exactly lol Indycar has the talent F1 has the money.
@@JustSomeGuyWithNoMaidens Norris
Nice explanation! Thank you!
I was a huge Indycar fan in the 80s (very young then). Even went to the Indy 500 once with my dad. Haven't watched it for awhile, kinda miss it.
I like em both,but today is memorial day & I still love the ovals.F1 is more technical but that doesn't always create better racing.most of Monte Carlo was anti climatic,w/ 5 laps to go at Indy my heart will be pounding & anyone in the top 5 has a shot.long live both!
Someone didn't see the Baku 2021 race.
@@somethingdifferentprobably Apart from pathetic tire failures and the Best Drivers doing stupid rookie mistakes, what was there to see?
2021 Indy 500: first 3 laps, 3 separate leaders... need I say more?
And Palou trying to stop Castroneves got it into a 5 car race for the last 10 laps. Ugh I so wanted Palou to win. One more lap and he could’ve beat him in the lapped traffic.
The sport itself is dull. Ovals are trash
I’m a big fan of both series’. Both are fast, look cool and have super talented drivers behind the wheel.
You should have compared budgets as well. That extra 12 seconds costs a lot of money :). Nice comparison!