When F1 Ran At Le Mans (And Was VERY Fast)
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Back in 2021 a Formula One car ran at Le Mans - with Fernando Alonso driving.
I wanted to know more, so I went to Alpine to speak with the project lead on this event.
And I wanted to know if Fernando Alonso was really pushing, how they adapted the car for such an unusually long and fast circuit, and what was the lap time-would it be quicker than LMP1s or Hypercars?
Well, that team shared the lap time data with me - and it’s fascinating.
Now, you might expect that this was just a demonstration run, one to please the 300,000 spectators at Le Mans.
But in fact, the team were very well prepared - they’d run many simulations and had engineered the car to be as fast as possible on this incredible circuit.
And Le Mans is no normal circuit - it’s almost eight and a half miles long. But, the biggest difference is just how many long straights it has.
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the watch is 3k i know is a sponsor but 99% of people can't afford it. I don't get it
They've destroyed Ayrton Senna's Lotus. To make watches. How can you be ok with this? It's disgusting.
I wonder how fast an Indycar would lap. They have a higher top speed than a F1 car.
@@SuikaIbukiyou don't have to
@@grizzlyhamstercan you elaborate? This type of comment is... puzzling
Imagine having an F1 endurance race at Le Mans
Wouldn't last 4 h
it would be very underwhelming
F1, F2, F3, and F4?
@@Beckett3743 F4 would lose.. By a mile so it wouldn't be proper and the standards of racing are different
@@thesteverussmaybe with a detuned engine
I read the thumbnail as "Fiat Le Mans". This is perfect.
Ha! Very good point - sorry for the clickbait 😂
@@Driver61 i was expecting some puntos but here we are
@@Driver61tbf the alpine car aint that much faster than a fiat
I did it too
@@DavitaDidiTavita Loool took the words right outta my mouth.
Next year they should let the Porsche 919 EVO do an unrestricted solo run around Le Mans like they did at the Nordschleife
Yes!
Absolutely
Yeah ❣️👌🏼
I think the big advantage of the 919 EVO is its massive accelleration. On a track like Le Mans, where top speed matters the most, it would probably not set such a great time.
Agree but Porsche might not bother until they actually win again
This vid is 92% filler.
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Welcome to Driver61. Never any real info shared
So is ye mum
So is the body work on my Renault
Its because they want to explain it in a way new viewer would understand with no prior knowledge or little of how race car works.
TLDR: 0:20 They didn't get to complete a lap and the estimated timed lap is a sub 3 minutes, save yourself 12 minutes folks.
thank you
Should have read the coments first.
Thanks but no thanks. Many of us take a thorough interest in the full videos.
Instead of TLDR you should write ADHD.
(….hurry hurry please only read me the last page of the book..) 🤣
Dude... I thought I was losing my mind.
Unfortunately that was a waste of 12mins
X2
how did Alonso's first few sector times compare to le mans until he hit traffic?
I wondered that
Because Fernando is faster than you
@@mram7571ALL THE TIME you have to leave it, the space
Le Mans despite being 13 kilometers long still only has 3 sectors. First goes up to Tetre Rouge, second is the entire Mulsanne straight, and third is from Mulsanne corner to the end. Alonso started his lap from the pits so the first sector isn't comparable. He encountered the traffic when entering the porche curves so about halfway down the 3rd sector. So he would have only gotten a single proper sector time for the lap, and that happens to be the Mulsanne straight. Realistically the only information you'll get from that is whether an F1 car is faster than a Le Mans Hypercar on a straight line.
That being said, if you go look at the video of Alonso doing the lap, he goes from Tetre rouge to Mulsanne corner in about 1 minute and 20 seconds. In Le Mans 2024 qualification and hyperpole the fastest sector 2 times appear to be around 1 minute 19 seconds and change. So in a straight line his lap time was pretty much exactly the same as a Le Mans Hypercar.
This is the dumbest video I’ve seen. Builds up all this anticipation, just to realize that Alonso never was able to reach a flat out full lap at Le Mans.
12 minutes to tell us they didn't do a lap 😂😂😂😂😂
I'd love f1 endurance races because it'll force the designers to make f1 cars even more durable and reliable over a long period of time
The tickets wouldn't sell as well.
@@solarissv777 why?
That's basically just open wheel LMP1 with stricter regulation. 😂
@@chrismaina1830 Too expensive maybe idk, I don't get it. F1 is the most popular sport. I think it would sell.
Sounds pretty good but I think they would need more then 3 drivers that are capable of driving the F1 the F1 car is way more difficult and brute on you especially on corners so they'd also change of drivers more often too
The fact that they wrote all of that complex simulation software which 'just' gives them a base setup is astounding
I think it's because it still is drastically not only cheaper, but also safer to do that. Those things cost money and F1 if anything is the greatest motorsport at development. Sims is one of the reasons why. Extensive research that goes into development of the car is something next level and, considering it is for ONE particular track, it's even more surprising.
Cool video, but fyi "terminal velocity" is not a synonym of "top speed" (of a car, a runner, etc).
"Terminal velocity" is a term specific to Fluid Dynamics, referring to the highest speed an object will achieve when FALLING (ie unassisted by a source of propulsion) through a fluid/gaseous medium, usually referring to air (ie, a sky diver's highest speed, or anything else falling through the air), limited by the air's inability to get out of the way any faster. A car pushing itself through the air can be limited by either engine power (pushing the air out of the way), or gear ratio, or running out of room on a straightaway. "Top speed" covers those conditions.
A car can also be limited by its terminal velocity at some point but I don't know if any car has achieved that.
@@102ndsmirnov7 i think mythbusters dropped a car from a big height before
This was the comment I was looking for. The "terminal velocity" remark - while I get what he means in the video - took me out of it. Clumsy misstep from someone who is usually quite scientific in his videos I thought.
Thanks. That term sounded strange to me but didn't know exact reason.
If an Alpine/Renault can go sub 3 minutes at Le Mans
Imagine what the Mercedes W11 can do on it 💀
I was not expecting sub 3 minute time projection. That's insane. I'd love to see it a real lap unimpeded.
Lap record was 3:17 by Conway, during the actual race, I'm assuming? Because I know Kobayashi did 3:14 during qualifying in 2017 or 2016, I don't remember.
You are correct! And the time was 3:14.791 during qualifying in 2017 and it was set by Kamui Kobayashi not Mike Conway.
Lap records are always Race Laps.
Qualifying laps don’t count as official lap records.
@lordomacron3719 Yeah but it just feels weird taking that number for comparison when the f1 predicted lap time is for a perfect qualifying lap.
You are right, and Kevin Estre's last hyperpole was 3:24.634
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FWIW - LMP1 (1 min 45 sec) is 13 sec/lap slower than F1 car (1 min 32 sec) at COTA (3.4 mi/5.5 km). Indy car has lap time (1 min 46 sec). All are qualifying times.
and a 24 hour race at Le Mans including that F1 car would have them looking at GT car tail lights after 10 laps.
@@SpencerMusic880why would you say that?
Sub 3 minute laps would put them way ahead of even LMP1 cars in 10 laps. They would box and be out in front of them the whole race. Of course with the requisite amount of fuel needed to lap that long or longer.
Do you mean from a longevity standpoint they couldn’t last 10 laps or more? Just trying to understand your take. Not getting at you.
@@SpencerMusic880 But I think the idea of a F1 24 hr Le Mans race would be without anything else than F1, or maybe with just F1 and F2/Hypercar racers.
@@snakebitten6967 Well, that simulated sub 3 lap was a 'perfect computer lap' and not a driven lap so I'm more than a bit skeptical if that was a real world achievable time. Even if it were an actual possibility it would be more of a qualifying hot lap than a race lap. In Grand Prixes there's a 7-10 second difference between pole qualifying lap and the race's fastest lap. Fuel load, set up,... the difference between getting the fastest lap possible and the fastest consecutive 50 laps possible are very different, much less 24 hours of laps.
2018 cars were faster than 2023/24 cars. Some of that do doubt was on the corners but the fastest achieved speeds have also gone from around 130 mph to around the mid 120s. It would be interesting to see this with an Indycar which while much slower in the corners and acceleration/deceleration do have around 10-15 mph faster top speed with an oval set up.
@@snakebitten6967 The poster is saying that the F1 car is so fast it would be about to lap the GT cars in 10 laps.
Know it all clickbaiter, unsubscribed.
FOR EVERYONE WANTING TO KNOW WHAT TIME DID HE SET, HE DIDN’T. THAT’S THE SUM UP OF THIS VIDEO 11:13
if theres DRS available everywhere why not have a very big wing to go faster through corners but still be very fast on straights with DRS
Coz you want the front wing to be trimmed for low drag as well and a big rear wing would mess up the balance too much.
it would still mean more drag at the straights and with 92 % flat out would probably cost more time than what you d save in the corners.
Because a wing regardless of size, still creates drag. Having a large wing with DRS is going to be slower than a smaller wing with DRS. The straights on Le Mans are far more important than the 5 or so slow corners.
because DRS don't remove all the drag of the rear wing due to regulation, the opening is limited to 8 cm or 3.15 inches no more and if you want them to allow a larger opening then it's no longer a F1 car.
Even with drs, the wing produces drag, and a bigger wing would ruin the aero balance of the car.
So this is a video about ... What? No actual lap time of F1 car?
The way the team saved a LOT of trial and error costs with computer runing multiple laps with current f1 car stats on the circuit to find the perfect "macro" and then get the driver to mimic as close as possible to the machine precision without the need to drive the actual car its soo clever. Thats a perfect representation of how can technology is helping us solving "real life puzzles" faster and more efficiently!
So they went through all that work and did not arrange to have track to themselves for 4 minute to complete a lap in under 3 minutes? That does not make any sense 🙃
y el video de la vuelta ????? donde esta ????? mucho bla bla yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Side comment, I wish I could justify buying a $3,000 watch, ugh, haha.
If Alpine believed they could go sub three minutes I wonder what a real F1 team could do.
LMP1 and Hypercar are veru limited by the rulles, could be way faster! Would be amazing a new Group C car!!
Imagine Ferrari making a 499P Evo (not the Modificata, that is too softened up for amateurs) like the 919 Evo and going around beating the 919 Evo records where it can!
Damn that would spark some Porsche revenge :)
@barath4545 well, that would be one hell of a challenge: 919 Evo is based on an LMP1, a way more complex and faster car overall... even a "standard" 919 would probably be considerably faster than a 499p Modificata so yeah, not a realistic thing at all imo lol
Just to note, when the engineers talking about low sensitvity at around 4:00, I think he might be talking about sensitivty analysis rather than the handling sensitivity. Meaning in their simulations if there are two different set up optinons that give similar lap times they'll let the drives try both set ups to see which they prefer.
So they didn’t do a lap 🤦🏻♂️ what a waste of 12 minutes
8:37 The highlighted drivers were not driving the Renaults. The Renaults were driven by Hülkenberg and Sainz back in 2018.
He simply referred to the Alpines in the 2021 Italian Grand Prix as Renault. Since the video essentially talks about the Renault R.S.18 F1 car from 2018.
@@ananastudio He didn't, Sirotkin is in there, Ericsson, Vandoorne, Hartley as well. That's not 2021's Italian GP
This just doesn't add up.
Why think of every scenario but not if the track is clear? Why not wait 5 minutes until it is? Why pack up and leave without making a full run? What a colossal waste.
Poca información relevante, demasiado relleno.
Can we stick to metric? The video started with miles, than went to Kilometers.... lets stick with to most used worldwide? 😂
Now i gotta see if i can match that in gt7. Sub 3 minute lap!
needed subtitles to understand that mumbly Alpine guy
But, as last year's 'pretend' NASCAR showed ('cause let's remember, it was quite some distance from a genuine NASCAR), being able to do a single fast lap is one thing, but doing it over an entire tank of gas (let alone over 24 hours), is COMPLETELY different.
An interesting exercise? Sure. But, even IF an F1 team could build an engine that would last 24 hours (and let's remember, Alpine couldn't achieve that with their Hypercar this year), I doubt very much that the car would beat an LMP1 (or even a Hypercar) over the race distance.
f1 cars are allowed 4 engines per season... remember if they can do sub 3 mins they'll just turn it down a bit when there way ahead
can confirm the sub 3 minute lap. I personally did a 2.38 in a 2007 ferrari f1 car
Xou could at least compare that half of lap they did in f1...
Can u make a video about the BMW e46 m3 gtr
NASCAR at Le Mans was better
okay what was the lap time
8:46 Bump drafting in a formula car?? Now I want to see that!
Then I remember that modern F1 cars would disintegrate at merely touching another car.
F1 should race at LeMans for a special double points race. Like indy car has indy 500, if F1 has LeMans on the race calender and it's an opportunity for constructors and drivers championship to gain double points with the same pointing system
Imagine how fast they would be until the first fuel stop... then get lapped by LMGTE cars.
@@SpencerMusic880 By the time they need to stop for refuelling, the F1 cars would be laps ahead. They'd have the time to grab a coffee.
The Circuit de la Sarthe is not up to F1 standards with its FIA Grade 2. Also I think F1 should leave this circuit to prototypes and GT cars and come up with its own Jewel in the Crown event instead of stealing it from another series.
@@SpencerMusic880 LMGTE is a discontinued set of regulations that last raced at the 2023 8 Hours of Bahrain
@@ananastudio Yeah, you get the idea. Monaco doesn't count. We need an endurance special stage for teams to have the opportunity to score double points. I know there are lots of things such as the right track, cars would have to be specialized for that specific event, they'll need to work out a driver swap system, and imprpve the longevity and reliability of the engine...basicallybhave a special engine just for that 1 race. OH, AND MAYBE F1 CARS WILL HAVE HEADLIGHTS AND BRAKE LIGHTS FOR ONCE 😂😂
It would be pretty interesting to have simulation data with perfect conditions on the lmp car aswell. So you can get a proper comparison
8:38 slight mistake there, the drivers for the Renault team in 2018 would be Hulkenberg and Sainz. Neither Ocon nor Alonso was driving for Renault in that year.
At 4:09, I think what Dominic means by a lack of sensitivity is that changing that part of the setup has a relatively small effect on simulated performance, small enough that the driver can choose what they prefer, not the meaning subsequently described in the video
11:24 The fastest lap in the current layout was set by Kobayashi Kamui in 2017 with 3:14.791
I found the perfect track for Williams!!!
I feel like this video baited me into watching.
The BIG question is how long would a F1 car last at that 3 min pace before a critical failure?
2 hours like a F1 race?
4 hours if you tone it down to race safely
24 hours seems an eternity.
Makes us respect both categories.
Usain Bolt would never beat Kipchoge in a marathon.
No one was able to beat Bolt on a 100m dash
Brakes would let go ~2 hours in. They're too fragile for anything longer than grand prix distance.
That's 40 laps at 20s faster lap time.. how quickly could they swap out some brakes? Or design a brake system that could be swapped out fast.. Interesting thought experiment.
40 laps? You realize that a lap at Sarthe is nearly twice as long as Spa right? They'd be doing 23 maybe 24 per fuel stint if they're doing fuel saving. All of that is also ignoring tire life.
@@caillanan Yeah. So lets call it 39 laps then and allow 3 minutes for a couple of fuel stops and a tyre change. :) How long does a pit stop add to a lap? (Genuine question?) Not here to argue, as I know stuff all about any of this. Just suggesting I am sure there are solutions to the problems..
Not really. You'd just end up with an open wheel LMP1 that requires an engine swap midway after all the fixes you'd need. I'd probably just rather run an LMP1 since you'd be losing so much time in the pits.
You didn’t mention Alonso’s actual lap time????
Because he didn't get to complete a push lap. The time wouldn't have had any meaning.
@@galihad1980Sector times would be good benchmark on how close he is to their simulations tho
@@galihad1980 well crap! click bait
@@GunnyArtG thats what i thought
So how to read that data?
How's the lap time it was?
You talked for 12 minutes about a lap that never happened. You even implied in the title, that it happened. I'm blocking this channel.
not sure how good it would be, but id love to see at least one race there with modern f1 cars.
This is wild, I wouldn't have imagine any other F1 team other than Redbull to attempt this with how crazy Redbull can get with their crazy stunts and attempts at world records
Nice video!
I believe that the record for the current layout of the track is set by Toyota Gazoo Racing / Kamui Kobayashi 3:14.791 (2017).
I actually bet the fastest time on GT7 with Toyota GR010 Hybrid '21 by 3:24
That's BoP on, no tune, medium tyres
Who else read the video caption as FIAT LEMANS?
Thanks for posting. Too bad they could wait for the other demonstration cars to be further along or go before them. I suppose windows of opportunity were a factor. 🏎
The only problem with this is that if you modify the GP car to go fast you should allow and unrestricted LM car to also set a time as you are not comparing apples with apples. It would be interesting to see the comparison between a GP car set up for say Monza against a LM car set up for Le Mans. If the GP car need to slow down sooner due to brakes etc. so be it and we would see a fair comparison for the two disciplines.
Wonder what the 919 evo would do?
They were as fast as F1 on Spa, so it would be hard to predict.
I think faster then F1
@daniel635biturbo that's what I thought. They took it to a few different tracks and it was always up there with F1 times
El traductor de voz es de IA? Quien podria confirmarlo? Se parece mucho a la de Milei xd
Love it when concepts like this are explored
Remember when Porche tested their setup with absolutely no limits for shits and giggles? Man I wish F1 teams did more of this with their older setups. Sadly, FIA regulates F1 heavily so as to not have private testing (which is not accessible for all teams due to monetary limitations) for current gen cars (or next for that matter)...
Pinnicle of motorsport. I love F1. Does it give me a superiority complex that Im a fan of the best racing in the world......Yeah maybe.... Is it justified.....yeah maybe. Am I really better than a Nascar fan...... abso-fucking-lutely.
Vine a ver un formula 1 corriendo en Le Mans con los LMP1 y lo Único que tiene es un boludo hablando todo el tiempo, menos mal que arrastré el avance y no tuve que ver a éste tipo bla, bla y bla!!
So it’s as if the drivers are top chess players like Magnus Carlson and Hikaru Nakamura, but before they drive their equipment is set up by top chess engines like Alpha Zero and Stockfish. Whoa 🤯
The Lap was A "sub 3 min"?? That's not a lap time that's a frickin estimate.
Are you going to argue with TBs of data and a million dollar simulator and hundreds of hours spent with data of every part of the car?
@@barath4545 Yeah!
If Renault Alpine A521 entered the 24 hours of Le Mans or 12 hours of Sebring it could've been far more impressive.
Terminal velocity refers to free falling objects through a resistance medium, so sorry to be the nerd but you are using it incorrectly.
While the terms speed and velocity are often used interchangeably to explain how fast an object is moving, in scientific terms they are different. Speed, the scalar magnitude of velocity, denotes only how fast an object is moving, while velocity indicates both an object's speed and direction. Terminal velocity is something very specific and different entirely.
The Porsche's supposed 'record' at Spa was a publicity stunt. The car was completely unregulated built specifically for the stunt. The run was on a closed track. On a non-competition weekend. And yet it was just marginally faster than fully compliant F1 car. F1 cars are still faster.
Si don J. M. Fangio hubiera estado vivo y le daban su amado "flecha de plata" le habría ganado a Alonso.+
...and certainly, didn't stop them from taking off...
*oh my God, oh my God, the Mercedes has taken off...*
ANYWAY
Just 325 kph is a big surprise to me. I would have expected at least 335 kph.
La f1 no tiene grandes rectas en su corcuito .
Baku : seguro ??
Por favor arreglen el audio en español,mejorenlo porfa,es muy raro suena como una máquina
Saludos❤❤❤
Es como poner a Usain Bolt para medir cuánto tiempo le toma correr 100 metros, luego extrapolar los datos y hacer un estimado, para luego decir que podría romper el record mundial de la carrera de 5000 mts
11:25 Bullshit ! The lap record is from 2017!!!
Lap Time: 3:14.791! #7 Toyota Gazoo Racing Driver Kamui Kobayashi !
Estaban Ocon's speed trap (8:35) of 351.3 kph = 218.3 mph, not 221 mph. Likewise, Alonso's 332.1 kph = 206.4 mph, not 205 mph.
Yo siempre he pensado que un hypercar es un F1 con más carroceria jajajaja, muy buen video!
It is a crying shame that we don't get to see the cars that are supposed to be the peak of what humanity can create, at the tracks that are the peak of what humanity ever created. LeMans with the Mulsanne, Nordshleif, Old Spa, Old Hockenheim Ring. Its nothing but 10 or so super flat and smooth corners for F1 nowadays. The track SHOULD be part of the challenge!
To me, without something to compare it to, sports prototypes, and I've been watching since the 1980s (IMSA GTP), look like large Batmobiles. But at 10:45, the LeMans prototype looks teeny next to the F1 car.
That's not right. A Le Mans (or any prototype) is theoretically a 2-seater. A single-seater, like an F1 or Indycar, should be much smaller. But here, the F1 is ginourmous! That aint right.
De hecho los de Studgart casi vencen el tiempo del 499P del año anterior
I would not even try. It seems like "breaking" F1 apart, and many things are just "wrong." You would modify chassis, aero, power, and tires-nothing optimized. It is like watching Baja cars on Goodwood Road. It is fun, looks like me in a weightlifting challenge.
Por qué si el vídeo está en español hablas de Millas
2:45 I've sat in this room. 😎
Do I have the pic's og sim?
Would u mind sharing them I'm use curious
No se si es por la traducción se entiende poco, todo parece mezclado, pasa de un tema a otro sin sentido. Una lástima...
A full video of this on the car camera please
Great video!
It would be interesting to see how well the 919 Evo would do here. If I remember correctly, the Evo was about 11% faster in Spa and about 12% faster on the Nordschleife. While F1 did beat the 919 Evo time in Spa later on, Le Mans has a different setup and once the Evo could get better tires and wheels as well as a better overall preparation I would put my money on the Evo...
Ffs what a massive disappointment that was! Save 10mins of your life, the f1 didn’t do a fast lap so all theoretical
so they failed to do a flying lap because they ended up in traffic? Why didn't they just do another lap then?
This is with Alpine , imagine it with Red bull , Ferrari or McLaren , if they extended it to 24 laps (327.024 km ) ~ homage to 24. Hours .
Not terribly impressive. F1 cars are "fast", but so was the 919 when Porsche took the "gloves off", etc. (which would be a far more apt comparison - did it ever do an unrestricte LeMans lap?) F1 cars barely carry any fuel, kill their tires in 3-4 laps and break parts if you glance at them sideways.
This is the most UNDERWHELMING video conclusion ever and a big Clickbait. What a waste, bro. Please don't!
it was hulkenberg and ocon in 2018 so the highest speed would be 357 in 2018, you took fernandos speed who was at mclaren in 2018
The fastest lap of Le Mans is actually Kamui Kobayashi at a 3:14.791 but that was in qualifying. Its still the official lap record though AFAIK unless they've lightly changed some corner layouts that reset the records?
All that work just to put the car out on track with traffic? What a damn waste of resources.
Summary of the entire video here: They never completed a full hot lap. From data gathered, the F1 car should have beat the current LMP1 world record of 3:17 with a sub 3:00 lap (…hypothetically). The end. Your welcome.
Sub 3 min, it's going to be faster than LMP 1 even despite the long straights, of course the porches unregulated car would be faster cuz so many straights, but the 2018 renault is heavy regulated (apart from allowed to have drs open all the time)
Whatched for nothing! Where is Alonso's lap?!! 🤦🏻♂️
Subtítulos en español con IA 😮 super!😊