VW ID4 | 20k Mile Review | Still Recommend It 1 Year Later?
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- 25 ID4 Owner Tips: evhelphub.com/articles/vw-id4...
ID4 Interior Review at 45k Miles: evhelphub.com/articles/vw-id4...
My ID4 Real World Range Test Results: evhelphub.com/articles/vw-id4...
ID4 Reliability at 45k Miles: evhelphub.com/articles/vw-id4...
ID4 Long-term Interior Review: evhelphub.com/articles/vw-id4...
ID4 Voice Commands List: evhelphub.com/articles/vw-id4...
0:00 Introduction
0:30 Agenda
1:17 ID4 Interior Review
3:45 Cons of the ID4 Interior
4:20 ID4 Driving Experience, Handling, Acceleration, Suspension
5:15 Does the ID4 have a loud cabin?
5:34 ID4 Visibility & Blind Spots
5:49 How Fast is the VW ID4?
6:08 Cons of Driving the ID4
6:43 Charging the ID4, Real World Range & Anxiety
9:03 Cons of ID4 Range & Charging
9:47 ID4 Reliability, Build Quality & Maintenance
11:03 ID4 Software Issues & Lack of Updates
12:59 MyVW ID4 Mobile App Review
13:39 Would I Buy the ID4 Again?
This is my VW ID4 ownership review after 1 year and 20,000 miles. In this video, I cover 5 key topics of electric vehicle ownership:
ID4 Interior: I have the space gray interior (with first edition accents). I'll tell you how well the interior materials of the ID 4 are holding up, how nice they feel (or not), how comfortable the seats are and my overall interior impressions of this electric crossover SUV.
ID4 Driving Dynamics: This part of the video discusses how fun the VW ID4 is to drive, including 0-60 time, suspension feel and handling.
ID4 Range, Range Anxiety & Charging: The Volkswagen ID4 First Edition is rated at 250 miles of EPA range. Does it get close to that in the real-world? How does this EV do in the cold? How fast does the ID4 charge?
ID4 Build Quality, Reliability and Maintenance: Has the ID4 been a reliable EV? What have I paid for maintenance? I'll discuss build quality issues and reliability of this electric car.
ID4 Software: How does the Volkswagen ID4's software compare to market leaders like the Tesla Model Y? How many software updates have we had?
Thank you so much for watching!
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*Tips for ID4 Owners:* evhelphub.com/articles/vw-id4-tips/
*ID4 FAQs:* evhelphub.com/articles/vw-id4-faq/
*How Reliable is the ID4?* evhelphub.com/articles/vw-id4-build-quality-reliability-warranty/
Had my Pro S for almost one year and 25,000 miles. Have driven car from coast to coast in past year.
I felt like a ventriloquist listening to you. I have 23000km on my Id.4, I paid 28 Canadian dollars on maintenance. As for the infotainment mine is working fine. Canadian models come with heating pomp’s which is perfect for Montreal s weather. I would definitely recommend this car! Great video by the way !
I've had a 2022 Pro S for about 3 weeks and am loving it so far. It came loaded with the software update and I can confirm that most of the issues you and others have been annoyed by are resolved with the update.
Congratulations on the new ID4! Thank you for letting us know. Can't wait for the update.
Does the 2022 and newer ID4 have a heat pump?
@@johntrussell7228 in europe the heat pump is an option you can choose.
Not in the United States, sadly.
@@evhelphub the guy that sold me the car said that the heat pump was not so popular. He didn't sell a lot of them in the past.
This is a very good review of the VW 1.4 and one that I believe would help potential buyers. Your review was well organized, at the right level of detail, covered all the essentials, and was easy to understand. I purchased my ID.4 in Aug 2021 and have 10k miles, about half as much as you. I found myself agreeing with pretty much everything you stated in your review. The only area where my experience greatly differs from yours is with the travel assist. The car does not slow down when I am fast approaching a car in my lane that is moving very slowly or that has stopped. This happens on both highways and city streets. I can see that the my car does not always recognize the car in my lane because the car icon does not appear on my screen. I also noticed that the travel assist behaves poorly when I am driving on curvy roads because the car does not see the car around the corner and does not slow down fast enough. It also sometimes accelerates on curves, trying to reach the target speed limit that I set, because the car thinks the lane is straight.
Thank you so much for the kind words, Eric! I am split on the travel assist myself. To VW's credit, I've never had a phantom braking or false warning issue like I've had in several Teslas, which gives me confidence in the system. On the other hand, it doesn't handle ambiguity or curves anywhere near as well as the latest Autopilot software. Just one comparison point. I'd say overall I am fine with it and use it sparingly but don't trust it a ton. Thank you for your feedback on it as well!
We’ve had our ID4 Pro 77kW since mid- December 2021.
We’ve done 21.000 miles since then. (Germany and Europe).
We have the 3.0 OTA update.
It is a fantastic car to own and drive.
Awesome review! I am looking at the exact model you have currently. Plan to set up a test drive this weekend. Your notes helped me soo much. It was the gas vs monthly payment comparison that made me want to switch to EV. I spend $500+ a month on gas and that is basically what my payment will be.. Seems to be a no brainer. Hope to join the ID4 club soon. Good day!
Thank you so much for watching and for the kind words, Bentley! I think you'll love the ID4!
This was very helpful, thanks for doing this. The comments on the range needing about 30 more are great. Its amazing how bad VW is trying to be at the whole software thing. I'd heard they promised regular software updates.
Thank you so much for the kind words and for watching, Steve!
This is the one I believe we will be buying after much reading. It does get really nice comments and reviews. It's always seems to be on lists of ev's that are recommended. Wonderful video . . Thank you was a big help!
Thank you so much for watching and the kind words! :) I hope you enjoy your ID4! Cute dog, by the way.
to tell you how much space these cars truly have, I just test drove one and im 6'6" 500lbs, and i fit in there with a lot of room to spare, in both passenger and driver seat. With room enough for an average sized person to still fit behind me
Still looks great. Thanks for the boots on the ground level update. This was good info to know. Be well.
Thanks for watching!
I like my car and enjoyed your video as it covered a lot of my likes and concerns. I recently asked about the lack of updates and the uselessness of the VW app at VW customer service online. My problem has been charging the vehicle from home on a first or second level charger. On the VW ID-4 owner site this seems to be a frequent problem with it dropping off after 20-30 minutes and was supposed to be part of the 2022 update which has not occurred. VW gave me a link to enter my VIN to check for updates and so far none.
Thank you!! I'm plant engineer in Zwickau for VW, it is just out beggining we are trying our best. The software was really our one and only weak point, we are 100% focused on it. And believe me our next family ev s will even much better than this.
Dann strengt euch mal an Tesla ist euch um Welten voraus. Will garnicht wissen was passiert, wenn die chinesischen Evs auf den deutschen Markt kommen. Ich frage mich ernsthaft wie lange die Deutsche Automobilindustrie braucht um zu verstehen, dass Software das Herzstück eines e Autos ist.
Kodak hat damals das digitale Bild entwickelt und haben bewusst es abgelehnt und lieber noch paar Jahre ordentlich Gewinn eingefahren. Sie waren mal weltführend, aber wollten nicht den Wandel. Was glaubst warum?
Hi, what can you tell VW ID4 which is build in china plants is there are some quality differences? Is it good or is it bad compared to EU or American Versions?
@@GioKht from the chinese factory, the id4-s will be only on sale in china. The id4 is produced overall in the world by the same quality standards. For each big markets (china, us, europe) the difference is mostly the equipment and packages. But in build quality, and powertrain each markets get the same package.
Have had ours for a year. An absolute joy to use. I've come to appreciate the haptic buttons on the steering wheel. Their main advantage is swiping. You don’t need to look down or fidget when you swipe. Simplicity. It took me by surprise when I realized how swiping adjusts ACC cruising speed or sound volume or skips songs. You just swipe your thumbs across the middle of those panels , effortless - no need to look down or find the right buttons. It’s a pity those buttons are misunderstood. Coupled with AR-HUD, I never need to take my eyes off the road.
Honestly, I think it sounds really cool and futuristic.
A post today (6-25-22) from someone who just picked up his 2022 addresses the software issue, "Put 45 miles on my 2022 ID.4 today and compared to my 2021 I'm digging the improvements! It also has the 3.1 software! They instrument cluster has more information and the radio has been redone for better functionality. Travel assist has also been updated so you can simply have it on with the cruise control instead of turning it on separately."
Thanks for posting this, Bill! Fingers crossed all ID4 owners get this soon.
I just put an order in for an ID.4 Pro S. I’m looking at a 4 to 6 month delivery time. Frankly, you shoes were the things that I have the most concerned about. So hopefully the updates that will come with my car I have sold many of the complaints that owners have mentioned. Also, initially I ordered the RW drive but changed to AWD after talking with an owner who recently traded in his 2021 or a 2022 model. He told me that the handling of the AWD was more sure footed at high speeds and emergency maneuvers. He also said his actual AWD mileage penalty was quite small compared to his previous RW model. I’m wondering if anyone else has had real world experience with comparing AWD to RW.
Thanks for the review. Kinda on the middle of my list.
5:46 - Austin vicinity! I guessed right!
I’m first to like and comment. Love this channel
And love the ID.4!
Thank you! It's a great EV! :)
Still waiting for my 2022 ID.4. I placed my order in March of this year so hopefully we receive it soon. Nice review.
Thank you for watching! Fingers crossed that you get it soon. Could come from the new American plant if it is later in the year.
@@evhelphub Yes I heard the Chattanooga plant is supposed to start operation in August.
Placed my order in February of 2021. Just arrived in the US... (ID4 Pro AWD)
That's a wait. VW hasn't asked me for the rest of the deposit yet. How long did it take to pay the rest of the deposit?
I now get my ID3 after 13 months, that's a "normal" delivery time at VW
Once i get back to texas im going to strongly start looking for an EV. Good review after 1 yr of ownership.
Thank you for watching, Brandon!
One year of ownership here, agree with your assessments! Still waiting for the software upgrade ;)
Great review! Although it's so funny how people have different tastes. The sound that the ID.4 makes is one of my favorite things! haha
Thanks, Katie! Yeah, I've heard others say that before. 🤣
I have a 2023 ID 4 and looks like most of the software bugs have been resolved already. The system is stable and the controls are much more responsive.
Glad to hear it!
Very objective review, thank you!
Thanks so much for watching!
Thanks so much for this review. I have been coveting the ID4 for a long time. I have a 2021 Hyundai Kona EV which I actually love but I need something bigger and with AWD (not available in the Kona). My car is supposed to arrive in about 10 days. Glad to hear about the software update! It takes me forever to figure all of that stuff out anyway; in the end, as long as the radio works and I can stream music through my phone, I'm good. Can't wait to receive my ID4 Pro. Great video!
Thank you so much, Diane! The new software should work just fine for your needs. Congratulations on the new car! Be sure to come back and let me know how you like it. - Wes
Hi Diane, you should have your ID4 by now. I hope you’re really enjoying it. What color is yours? I think it’d be nice of owners to mention what color they opted for their ID4s. VW picked very nice colors for them & not so easy to pick one over others. Enjoy your ID4s, you all. By the way I’m still shopping.
@@jayt1402 Well, to be honest, I really wanted white. But in the Pro (not the Pro S), the only colors they had were gray and tourmaline blue. I got the blue and it's very nice. It just shows the dirt so much more than white does. I'm having a problem with the sensor in the driver's door handle. It Doesn't lock when I press it. I Took it into the dealer and they said there's nothing wrong with it.But it's still doing the same thing. Very frustrating. Other than that I love it. It's So roomy inside, big enough for my big dog and my tall husband.
Nice balanced review. Thanks.
Thank you, Mike!
Let me know if you have any questions or comments about the ID4! Thank you for watching! :)
Have you driven the ev6? How does it compare with the id4?
Yes I have (review on that coming soon).
I thought the EV6 was very solid feeling and potentially slightly quieter on the road (depending on tires). It's a great car. On paper it is certainly the better EV with more range, newer charging tech, etc.
I don't love the interior, personally because of the many touch sensitive buttons that I kept accidentally activating on my test drive which was frustrating. I really disliked the climate control/audio display. The infotainment system was responsive, it gets more range and charges faster, but not 3 free years of unlimited charging sessions with Electrify America.
Generally speaking - we like the look of the ID4 better on the outside as well. However - if you are interested, I'd say it is certainly worth a test drive, especially if you can go with a higher trim that includes ventilated seats! :)
@@evhelphub Good to know. It's interesting that you commented on the touch sensitive buttons. I've read where the id4 has a lot and folks aren't happy with the amount. I'm test driving both cars very soon (ordered both and they are now here).
Yes, it does and I don't love them in the ID4 either, but where the EV6 places some of them (near the gear shifter where I rest my arm while driving) I tended to accidentally activate them quite often. Let me know which one you go with!
I wish you can review the Audi Q4 e-tron when It becomes available here in the US.
Great review👍
Thank you so much, Shaun!
Really good video! Straight to the point 👉
Thank you so much for watching and the kind words, Darien!
OMG! Your review is by far the best car review I’ve come cross all these years! Excellent work!
6:35 HOW CAN YOU FIND THAT SOUND ANNOYING?! It actually sounds futuristic to me. I love it!
Yeah the sound is totally subjective. I'm a sound-sensitive person, and the vehicle overall is very quiet. I really like the particular sound of this EV. But I will say that how it sounds in this video is far more loud/harsh than I'm hearing it as a driver--even with the window open. And of course considerably better than ICE engine noise. But eye/ear of the beholder on this aspect :)
Haha! Yeah... I am not a fan. I prefer Tesla's whooshing wind sound instead. It's just the constant high pitched noise you hear when sitting at a stop and the fact that you can hear it so far away. Luckily for us the solution was to unplug the front speaker. Sound is still generated from the rear and it's still quite loud but it helped take the edge off. Just not my jam. :)
I love the required sound....
Thanks man!! I'm getting my 2023 awd pro s tomorrow!
Congratulations! I hope you enjoy!
And how’s it been ?
@@MrRadBee Hey! well some small issues like the windows going down instead of up (an update is suposed to come) some times it takes for ever to change profiles. I think these are my only cons and they will eventually be fixed. Besides that I'm CRAZY in love! best car ever so far and i know luxury, I've owned many high end volvos. Super confortable, crazy smooth, AWD on the snow is awesome, great acceleration considering the weight/power ratio, looks amazing! I'm always looking for a reason to go out for a ride and blast the music while having a back massage 🤣Cant wait for my 22inches to have this killer look!!! definitely recommend!
Thank you! Great video!
Thank you for the kind words and for watching!
Good review. I've had my 2023 RWD ID4 for about a month. It comes with newer software, and I've experienced no problem with infotainment system lagginess at all. However, I use Android Auto almost all of the time, and rarely interact with the ID4 UI. The Android Auto has been rock solid (which wasn't the case with my last car). I have the climate control and seat heaters set to auto, so have little reason to ever touch the climate controls. However, a couple times it has forgotten my auto climate and seat heater settings, so I had to go back in and fix it, which is annoying. The phone app is VERY bare bones. But, the only thing I really use it for is checking charging status, and it has worked reliably for that. So, while the software definitely isn't the greatest, it's good in the areas I care most about.
Adaptive cruise control works well, which is important to me, since I use it almost all the time. I don't yet have a lot of experience with the lane centering feature, so can't comment.
The ride is very comfortable and quiet, which makes it such a pleasure to drive.
I thought the slower 0 to 60 time compared to other EVs might be a problem. It hasn't been a problem AT ALL. It's plenty quick enough for me.
It's quite roomy inside for a relatively small vehicle.
Things I DON'T like:
It doesn't have auto door locks for when you leave the vehicle. So, I have to manually lock on the door handle. After six years of getting used to it on my old car (a very basic car), it's taking a lot of relearning. I still can't believe a car with all this tech doesn't have such a basic feature.
The sound system is pretty mediocre. If you boost the bass and treble in the three band equalizer, you can get it to sound slightly better, but it's still nothing to write home about.
Even inside the cabin, the pedestrian noisemaker is too loud, especially just below 20 MPH. It's way louder than a typical ICE vehicle, which doesn't make any sense. I'm thinking about putting some tape over the speaker to muffle the sound a bit.
The haptic capacitive buttons on the steering wheel are a little less user friendly than traditional mechanical buttons, but I'm getting used to them.
Overall, I really like the ID4. It has met or exceeded almost all my expectations (lack of auto door locks was really the only negative surprise). It stands out as an excellent value, which is the main reason I got it.
Thanks, Dan! I agree with everything you stated. I am hoping they can add the walkaway lock feature in a software update in the future.
I'd agree with these pros/cons (I have a 23' AWD Pro S). The lack of a walkaway auto lock is surprising, particularly when coupled with the fact that you can't set the vehicle to do a confirming "chirp" with manual locking. Only the lights flash, and depending on the light, it's hard to see/know whether you've locked the car since the locks are so quiet. But on balance a wonderful vehicle so far.
Great video man! Helps me decided whether to buy an ID3 or ID4. I agree on the cons. The infotainment system for one and the controls for rear windows. What's up with that?
Thank you for the kind words and for watching! No clue what they were thinking on the window switches. Trying to be a little too cute with them, I guess. Very odd.
I have both an ID 4 long range and a Tesla Model 3 performance.
The ride quality and sound proof were supreme when I sat inside my lovely ID4.
I was curious about that... I currently have a 2015 Model S. Also an ID.4 AWD on order. I absolutely love everything about my model S, except for the horrible ride. Unfortunately there are no AWD versions of the ID.4 to test drive. Fingers crossed! 🤞
great balanced review.
Thank you, Werner!
I was never a VW fan, but I must admit the ID4 looks great!
Thanks for your perspective, I just reserved a 2023 ID.4 and am hoping more of the kinks have been worked out by then. I did notice in my test drive how inconvenient it was to deal with climate controls and how the controls for moving the side mirrors were confusing.
I wish VW would hire more software engineers to work on the mobile app and the infotainment experience. I certainly would consider working there and improving it 🙃
Thanks for watching, Nick! I agree with you on all accounts. However, the ID4 still has a lot to offer. I hope you receive yours soon
Just got my 2023 id4 built in usa. SW3.1 works much better, good enough to be no major issue. I fast charged on EA 350kw from 9% to 80% in 31 minutes with a peak rate of 160kw. Not quite as fast as EV6,ionic5 but very acceptable. Car is great in every way except for lack of one pedal driving. Don't understand at all why VW didn't implement this
@@dathes I like the fact that the car does not come to a complete stop. This allows to be creep the car if letting off too soon. Otherwise you have to feather the accelerator pedal to close the gap.
The Canadian version of the id4 does come with the heat pump. Sadly, not in the USA
What do you think of the new ID5 coming out??? Thanks
Great review, I can relate to almost everything having driven my ID.4 for 10.000 miles (in the Netherlands). My infotainment is not so buggy, luckily (2.3). But the (lack of) software updates in the car and the app has me concerned, as most of the current features in the app have been present from the launch without major new functions. I would not buy VW again because of this and would like to warn anybody buying a car nowadays to pay more attention to the software and app that comes with a car.
Thank you for watching! Is the infotainment screen still pretty bad at 2.3? Are you able to lock and unlock your ID4 with the mobile app? I completely agree - automakers are going to be judged on software moving forward and it is important they invest as quickly as possible.
It is electric car so software is absolute deal breaker for me. So I’ve locked in Berlin made Model Y. Saw few reviews and looks like German Tesla build and ride quality is on whole new level compared to USA made
@@evhelphub In 2.3 (and 2.4 and 3.0) it's not possible to lock/unlock afaik. In 3.0 you will be able to see the status (locked/unlocked)
bmw has a very nice app
Let me know how you like it!
ID.4 Pro S owner here since Sep 21 I have no complaints about this car. Love it specially for road trips and those massage seats is a plus. Almost 10k miles on mine and 3 road tips already from South Florida to Charlotte. Florida is perfect for EV I’m getting more miles than advertise specially city drive. Great video
Great to hear it, Pedro! I'm glad you are enjoying the ID4 as well. Only hope is that we get a software update that corrects some of the items mentioned and it'll be even better. Thank you for watching!
Great review but the most awesome part of the ID4 is the “ Spaceship” noice it makes in slow speeds and specially when going in reverse.
Thank you for watching, Adrian. I disagree! 🤣
that's the EU requirement to make the noise warning pedestrians
This Sound is Created by Leslie Mandoki
Thx for the informations.
I have the same color! i just brought home my 2023 ID.4 pro RWD yesterday. Traded my Nissan Frontier 2022 SV 4x4. I do really love this car. I haven't been this excited getting a new car (from my experience with 2015 Tucson turbo, Lexus NX300 FS, and my truck. Still learning all the features/Functionality. It doesn't come with a mobile charger and the VW is more expensive than tesla's ($350 vs $230). Good thing Amazon has a lot of stuff (got the BougeRV level 2 EV 16A that comes with NEMA 5-15 adapter for regular 110V outlet with 20A fuse). Also, I AM LOVING THE SPEAKER SYSTEM!!!
My "I wish" thoughts so far:
- I wish powerlift tailgate is standard across the trims.
- The buttons for volume and climate should've been backlit. Although pressing the climate control will give you full functionality adjustments on screen.
- i wish i have the 12V port near the dashboard so i can run my dashcam without hardwire or taking a long trip to the back. Or at least a USB port behind the rearview mirror on my trim.
Congratulations on the new car, Mark! I hope it is still treating you well.
Got my ID4 this weekend with the new software and it runs butter smooth, even the Android Auto on my ancient Galaxy S7
how do you install android auto on your galaxy s7?
Glad to hear it Adam. No word on when current owners are going to get an update, but sounds like it will require a service visit.
Sadly, the Canadian version of the id.4 has a heat pump. Why not the US version?
We're about to jump into this adventure with a 2023 ID.4 Pro S AWD.
Awesome. I hope you enjoy!
Agree 100%, I have tested a iD3 and the major problem was the app and infotainment. Otherwise great. But still almost the price of a Tesla and compared Tesla wins by far. OTA updates and app , acceleration and one pedal driving things that I am not willing to be without. The Tesla AP is also in a different class.
I am considering buying an ioniq 5 or id4 or volvo xc40 recharge. Which one will you consider me?
nice video. I should have my 2022 in a month. Waiting on a software update at port. How are your tires holding up?
Thank you - great to see you in the comments again, by the way! :) The tires are still in "good" condition but are slightly more slippery than they used to be. I expect we will be changing them in early 2023 at around 30,000 - 35,000 miles or so.
Geeezum. Shouldn’t the tires last longer than 35K?
Nice video, helpful! I'm considering this vehicle....my 08' jetta was smashed by a tree 2 days ago, had it since new 😢
Insurance totalled it, time for a new VW, no new jettas at our car dealership, so looking at the ID4 this weekend. Do you recommend the 22 or 23 model? They have both options.....
Thank you for watching, Jody! I'm so sorry to hear about your accident! How much is the price difference at that dealership? If significant, I'd just go with the 2022 model. If not, jump for the 2023 (which should be made in the USA), as they did do some minor changes to the center console and arm rests. I wouldn't spend thousands more for it, though. Hope that helps!
How often do you rotate the tires?
With gas at 5 dollars a gallon I now spend more on gas for my Raptor monthly then the payment on an ID4, and VW will give me free charging for 3 years. Plus there is an EA charge station at my local Walmart that I visit weekly anyway, what was once unthinkable now has serious consideration.
Absolutely. We drive so much more to places we want to go during the summer because our electricity at home is so cheap and free on the road. It's such a great deal!
It's $8/gallon in Canada 🇨🇦
Good luck trying to unload that dinosaur truck.
Think yourself lucky currently in the uk converted back to Dollars we are paying over 10 dollars a gallon.
Nice objective video. I like that you've emphasized using a Level 1 charger, which will be adequate for many people depending on their driving habits. I have a '23, which comes with no charging cable. I bought the VW-branded 2-way charger for around $350, and although described as a "travel charger" it's totally adequate for my needs considering my daily driving of around 35-40 miles. A basic 240v circuit in your garage will charge at level 2 speeds, between 17-21 miles/hour for me. But the 110v would be adequate most days/nights as well. Point is, start with an inexpensive charger before buying a fancy home charge system right away. If you need to upgrade to a more powerful/faster charger, fine, but you may not need it.
Thank you for watching, Colin! I agree with all points. I think many overthink level 1 charging as "too slow" but it's only because it takes a new way of thinking and looking at how much you really drive on a daily basis.
I’m debating an ID4, there are grocery stores in my area with free 6kw charging, I work from home so I could just work there for 2 hours when I need some juice too
Hope they get the software issues sorted. This looks like a good car for a family.
Indeed, it is! I'm not confident they will be able to fix it on our models, but hopefully a minor refresh in 1-2 years will come with a stronger processor.
great video.
Thank you for watching!
Great review. Thanks! Any thoughts on the rear wheel drive? We live in MA and travel to VT - a lot! There and to ME and NH …in the winter. My concern is that we have had front wheel drive cars since I sold my ‘69 VW Beetle. How does this car handle on snowy roads and on muddy roads? (Currently driving an Subaru Outback). Thank you for any replies on this point.
Thank you for watching, John! Since you live in an area where it does get very cold, snowy, and hilly, I'd recommend going with the AWD just to be safe. I do want to put out the most EVs have a battery pack that extends of the width of the car, so the center of gravity and weight is more evenly distributed, meaning that a RWD EV doesn't feel or handle like a RWD gas or diesel car. If you lived somewhere with shorter winters, I'd say RWD is perfectly fine.
@@evhelphub Hey! Thank you for the quick response. That all makes sense. I’m assuming that the AWD’s range is a bit less, correct? Thanks again.
Yeah, you should expect to lose about 5% of range. I recommend going with the smaller (standard) wheels as they are more efficient (to maintain as much range as possible), look very similar and are still attractive. Another way to look at it is: you'll spend 5 more minutes at the charger each time, likely a worthwhile tradeoff for safer driving in wintery conditions. Electrify America is about to open a charger in Burlington and already have one in the middle of New Hampshire (quite a few in MA), so you shouldn't have to really worry about range anxiety on those trips! Be sure to check out my winter highway range test video to see how the cold impacts how far you can drive! :)
@@evhelphub Great info! Thank you very much. I’ll def check out your other posts.
You're welcome! I hope you enjoy the ID4 (if you get one).
Nice work. Still have it and recommend it to this day? Any improvement in the software (updates)? Any guess how long it takes wall time to charge 80% on home L1 120? We own a 15 eGolf and are looking to replace our CX5 Signature w a new 22 ID4.
Hi Chris - yes we still have it and it's still going strong. We finally got the software update which requires a dealer visit. It only took one day. The software is noticeably quicker and contains less bugs. It is still a bit behind the competition however. Other than that, hard to complain about a car with no mechanical or build quality issues. :) it's been holding up very well, 50,000 miles in. I'll be publishing my next update video within a month. Thanks for watching and good luck with the purchase!
So to go from the east coast to the West Coast how many hours of charging time do you have compared to filling up with gas and leaving in 10 minutes doesn't sound like a good idea to me
a tip for dust is to add a swiffer duster to your arsenal along with baby wipes you already use :)
We have one, Tim! Only issue is that you have to use it every single day. 🤣
@@evhelphub Haha okay! xD
Electrify America is almost non existent in my area so as much as I like the ID4 it's a no go for now. I'm going to revisit all this in 4 or 5 years.
They do have some large investments coming, but certainly they need to get to it and double down.
I agree with the biggest complaint is software. And I have yet to find a id4 with out the panel gap between the vw logo in the rear. I bett if you look on yours
You will find a pinky size gap that you can push in but it will pop out the second you drive in the sun
Yup!!
Great fair even-kiltered review giving real-world insight based on your experience. I'm new to the EV market. Seriously considering an ID4 for my next car to replace my old acura rdx. Wondering howmuch of a factor range anxiety will be. I have an 80 mile round-trip commute which I do 4 times a week. Presumably I'd charge my car overnight at home. There are no charging stations within close proximity of work so I'd need my battery on full charge to offer me at least 100 miles of range each time. Do you perceive this being a problem with the id4 ? What about during hot and cold months? How much is range affected by hvac use? Thanks again for your insight.
Thank you so much for watching, Linda! The ID4 can do that commute no problem, but you will need to invest in a home charger, at least one that can plug into a dryer outlet or something similar (you don't need to have one fully wired in). The reason for this, is that the home charger that comes with the ID4 (which plugs into a standard wall outlet) only gets you roughly 2.5-3 miles of range per hour of charge, which won't be enough, especially in the cold months. Whereas say a NEMA 14-50 can get you 20-30 miles of range per hour, which would be plenty! I just purchased a NEMA 14-30 charger for my dryer outlet and it gets around 10 miles of range per hour, which would also work for you. Let me know if you have anymore questions!
As a fellow owner of a 2021 ID.4(Pro S) I agree that the biggest complaint is the software and infotainment interface. Also the continue lack of one pedal driving and a "AUTO HOLD" is disappointing for a $50k+ electric car. I do disagree on one thing though. If the Hyundai Ioniq 5 had been available at the time of our purchase I would have taken that car instead.
The auto hold mode should be coming in our software update soon. You should be receiving notification from VW to schedule service for the update. Hopefully that makes both of us happier! :)
My name is Gil Wall KC is my daughter... I agree the software is basic at best. Verizon 4g? Germans are poor programmers? I am wandering if Software interfaces are not popular in Europe. I am visiting in France I have not noticed anyone use any cellphone app. I have noticed the car itself is programable. I.e. When to start charging, how long or between what hours, when to warm the cabin. These settings are important in Europe electricity usage is managed by the region. In a way, it’s the same in our electrical region managed by TEP in Tucson. Its best to charge your car at home after 7PM and before 6AM when the rates are reduced. Therefore, the car like we have VW ID.4 AWD PRO S is ready to go for work. This fits the climate of Europe that is a more of a constant that the variants of the United States.
OMG at 6:35 when I heard that noise again it gave me PTSD to having owned that awful vehicle. I'm really glad your's has been reliable, I was on a first name basis with my service tech. Got a call 4 months after selling it that they had finally received the part to fix my car. Also the infotainment is completely unacceptable, it's frankly dangerous is you ask me. Everything is hard to use and takes the drivers attention away from driving. Why are there two different climate control systems instead of just one the actually works? I wouldn't buy that car again and have told everyone I now to stay away from it. If they just put normal buttons to control things I would probably think it was a good car. Sadly, I feel like it's a car that no one cared about when it was made. If you're thinking of buying this, save yourself the headache and go buy an Ioniq5/Kia EV6. They're SO much better.
Hi Brad - sorry to hear about all of your troubles with the ID4. I agree with you that newer EV models have a lot to offer in comparison and if we had that kind of service trouble, we would have sold it as well. But it's been great outside of the terrible software. I genuinely laughed at your first line though. 🤣 Best wishes! - Wes
I saw a video of a guy who had a Chevy bolt EUV and trim is falling off and the insert for the door handle is coming off as well. Cheap construction
Dang, that's too bad.
Thanks!
Thank you so much for watching, Keith!
Appreciate!
Did you ever post a video about the software update on the ID4? I can’t find it.
No, I haven't. I'm just integrating it with my 3 year review which will be out by mid-May, so stick around for that! :)
Been waiting to get my ID 4 since October 2021, the dealership says it "should" arrive by November 2022. This review is in alignment with what I'm hearing across the board - it's a great car, but the software is mediocre. Hopefully the long overdue update will resolve this frustration many have been expressing.
Same here. I made phone call to VW this morning. We might receive it by February in next
I have heard good things about the latest software. Sadly, early owners aren't able to get it yet, not sure why. Fingers crossed your ID4 arrives soon!
How do you like the light interior color? It looks really good but is it hard to keep it clean? Especially the steering wheel and the seats.
I love it! Not hard at all to keep clean. Very easy, in fact. 50k miles in no permanent marks or wear at all. Highly recommend!
Small tip for your future videos - you are doing vehicle review but 50% of the video you are showing yourself.. Please, it would be way better to see just a car.. Otherwise - very good quality of your content!
Electrify America is .48 cents per KHW my home charger is .17 cents per KWH. best to charge at home when you can.
Agreed!
what do you think about the extended warranties for this model? We just purchased the 2023 ID4 Pros and may change our mind about purchasing an extended maintenance plan for 4 yrs as well as an extended Drive Easy Plan, which we are still trying to understand. I know the first 2 yrs of maintenance is covered. But should we really bother extending that 4 years for $1400?
Hi Diane - the ID4 comes with a four-year/50k mile bumper-to-bumper warranty along with an 8-year/100k miles warranty for the high voltage battery. You're getting a model that's had a couple of years worth of "fixes" compared to my 2021 ID4, which has given us zero issues so far. My first question is, how long are you planning on keeping the car? This answer might be different than your prior vehicles, because EV technology in changing so rapidly that you might find it is worth it to trade in in 4 or 5 years.
Second, keep in mind that EVs have far less components which means much less to worry about breaking over time. Third, the most expensive parts are related to the high voltage battery. Again, you have 8 years/100k miles worth of coverage there already.
As far as the maintenance plan goes - absolutely do not accept that for $1400. There's almost nothing to maintain on the vehicle over time and what there is, you'll easily pay far less than $1,400. Do not buy this! We have nearly 50k miles on our ID4 and the only thing that has been replaced is the air filter.
All in all, I would decline all and save your money. Even if you keep the car for 6-8 years, I cannot imagine what would break in that time that would cost thousands in repairs. I hope this helps!
I'm trying to hold out for the Q4 but with delays I'm considering the ID.4...what would you do?
The Q4 is basically the ID4 with a nicer interior and less range. I'd personally save the money and go with a Pro S ID4.
In the EU .. the ID4 has a net on that middle plastic, at floor level.
So a question IO have is how much does it usually cost you to charge at a station that isnt free? Im looking to get one of the for my job (Uber/Lyft) and i wouldnt be able to charge at home, so im curious as to how much it would cost me on average
Hi Casey - that will depend upon the network, state you live in, rate type (power delivered vs time). Charging from 0-100% will net you around 250-275 miles depending upon configuration and should cost between $20-25. Charging networks have memberships that you can consider if there is one that you frequent regularly which has a base cost, but much cheaper per power delivered/time spent charging.
For those that charge by the minute, you'll never want to charge to 100%. Instead, you'll likely want to stop at around 80%. Something like 10% to 80% (180 miles) is roughly a 30 minute charge and will cost $10-12. Charging significantly slows past 80%.
We have had a VW in our garage since 2016 and I honestly say that the UI has been the weakest point in all three vehicles. It's not terrible, but tolerable. Nowadays I use Android Auto whenever possible and my wife use Apple Carplay which allows her to control the entertainment system in Korean which is a HUGE win in my book. I have driven the Model 3 and Model X and the Tesla UI is the best that I have come across, but I prefer the build quality and dealer network of VW to the simplicity of the Tesla.
Thank you for this POV and for watching, Keith!
Can you comment on the tires? Do you need to take it to dealer or any shop can replace the tires? Can u change just one tire that is damaged or do u need to replace all 4 together?
You should be able to have them replaced at any shop. The back two tires are different sizes than the front and you can replace the back two (or front two) without replacing all four (I asked VW yesterday). Since I have RWD, my back two tires are balder than the front and will need replaced likely in the next 10,000 miles or less so they do wear pretty fast.
With that torque, the tires will go bald pretty quick unless you drive it like ice cars.
0-60 in 7.5 seconds is a decently quick time. Back in the 80s that would be premium sports car territory but then I guess I am sounding old.
That's a good way to look at it! Quick enough for most daily drivers of a crossover, I think. I wouldn't pay more just to go a little quicker.
Regarding Ford's performance on software updates. As an owner of two MMEs I have to give them a solid C-. The older of our 2 cars is still awaiting the update enabling the BlueCruise autonomous driving functionality after over a year of ownership, and is currently several point revisions behind the most recent shipped software version. The newer of our 2 cars was delivered with BlueCruise enabled and is on the current version or nearly so. So while Ford's ability to ship OTAs has been somewhat better than VW's they still have issues.
I guess Tesla's proficiency in updating its cars fooled the legacy companies into thinking it's easy.
Thank you for this insight! I will still argue that any company that has shipped any software update OTA that has either added features or corrected bugs, is well beyond VW. We are almost at 18 months of ownership and have received zero updates. Not even minor bug fixes. :)
I agree with you, I hope all of the legacy auto companies get it together!
Any news on software updates? Any improvement?
Updated 3 year review coming in a couple of weeks, stay tuned!
I got a Tiguan and Passat. Just a flick of stick, I can switch from normal to sports mode. How do you switch to sports mode with ID4?
There's a menu button for it on the infotainment screen. It doesn't appear to do much, if anything, to the driving dynamics of the ID4 though.
Is the range of ID4 meet the stated numbers ? is it good in hot and cold weather ?
I have both a spring time weather and winter weather highway range test video you can check out. :) Here they are:
(Warm weather) th-cam.com/video/JoF6eT4iw4o/w-d-xo.html
(Cold weather)
th-cam.com/video/yjirnMKKCbM/w-d-xo.html
Did you have to replace any tires yet or, if not, how is the tread? I have a RWD Pro S that I got in Feb 2022. I love the car so far. Much more comfortable than the Tesla Y and the Ioniq 5. The backup camera is not great. Night time was unusable. Objects to the side look a lot closer than they are. Agree the App is useless.
Hi Greg - I have not yet had to replace the tires. My best guess is that they will need replaced by the end of the year or early 2023. They are starting to be a bit more slippery, but definitely not bald yet.
The reason the backup camera is unusable at night is because of reflected glare off the license plate causing the camera to choose the wrong exposure. There are inexpensive ID4 backup camera hoods available on Etsy and elsewhere which will fix the problem.
@@dansanger5340 Yes I know the cause and have purchased one. However, it is a design fail on VW .
I have mine on the way (according to the owners portal it's on a boat) I'm still stuck between ID4 or model 3 though... Since you've had both. Which do you prefer? Thanks for any info provided.
Just ordered mine yesterday, my first EV , I’m excited, 6-9 month wait . I also preordered the Cybertruck , I’m tired of waiting lol
How long ago did you order it?
@@Bswaggn 2 days ago
@@mcgarvy7 I put my 100 dollar deposit down in March and VW hasn't requested the 400 dollars yet.
@@Bswaggn that’s a long time
i wish it came with smaller wheels, my came with 20s and i rather have 18s for smoother ride and better range
Thanks 😊
Thank you for watching!
We are snow birds and live in another state for 3 months. How to keep the battery from ruin? Or do we leave the charger on the car. Thank you
Hi Regina! The ID4 is excellent at retaining battery levels of the long-term, even many months. Assuming you are parking the vehicle inside a well insulated garage, you could charge to 50% and leave it unplugged. If it gets really cold in your garage, I'd recommend charging to 50% and leaving it plugged in. Either way, it should be just fine. :)
Can I get your opinion on whether I should be seriously interested in a AWD 2021 ID4 CarMax is offering for $28K? From what I read the 2024 version has solved many of the quirks however I can't afford that route. Is it still a great car to buy minus rebates, free charging, etc? Hope you'll reply soon.
Yes. My 2021 has been flawless in terms of reliability and build quality. It has not been to the dealership for service for any reason other than a couple of recalls and a software update. The only downside of a 2021 is the software, which I'm not sure is all that better on the newer models. Plus with CarMax you'll get 7 days to drive it around to make sure everything is in working order. I'd say go for it!
Thank you to all the comments. Went with the ID4. It is glitchy but amazing! CarMax gives you 2 weeks for a full refund but that's not going to happen!
Congrats on the new car! :)
I live in uae and the temperature reaches 45 degrees. Do u think it is still a good option?
You should be fine. Where I live it also gets over 40 degrees Celsius for about 5 or 6 months a year and we haven't had any issues.
Charging , anxiety to track battery q00 ttimes more than gas gauge
We’ll done!
Thank you for watching, Gary!
No updates yet?
Does the app work good now?
The app updated, but it was primarily just redesigned. The usefulness and functionality seems the same.
Can you explain the B mode for driving
Hi Daniel - "B mode" traditionally stands for "braking mode" - without going into super unnecessary detail, on the ID4 when the car is in "D" or drive, there's no (very little) regenerative braking happening, so the car doesn't slow down for you, it just coasts. When you apply the mechanical brakes, regen kicks in to charge your battery instead of just losing that energy entirely. The recharging of the battery is minimal. "B mode" turns on the regenerative braking, where if you lift your foot off of the accelerator, the ID4 will begin to slow you down until about 2-3 mph and then you will "creep" forward like a traditional car. This does not use the brakes, it is a function of the electric motor. To be as efficient as possible, it usually makes sense to drive in "B mode" in the city so you regenerate as much energy back to the battery as possible, and use "d mode" on the highway, so you can coast. I hope that helps!
It has the best A/C for an EV
It definitely does the job!