How Far are Shotguns Deadly? BirdShot, Slugs, and 00 Buckshot
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How far is a Shotgun Deadly? These are the not smart ideas we come up with related to shotguns. I've found myself focused on how deadly shotguns are because it is such a compelling weapon. Especially when we think about how far a projectile might need to travel, and given the low pressures and velocities from shotguns I really wanted to see when it would be deadly. Utilizing BirdShot, buckshot, and Slugs we'll be evaluating with intense science.
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00:00 How far are shotguns deadly?
02:06 How far are shotguns deadly science setup / explanation
03:20 types of ammunition and distances
05:20 120 Yards with Slugs, 00 BuckShot, and birdshot on body
09:56 80 Yards with Slugs, 00 BuckShot, and birdshot on body
13:41 50 yards 00 BuckShot and Birdshot
14:24 Conflict of Nations Sponsor! :)
15:34 50 yards Buckshot and Birdshot results
18:38 Introducing Human Heads
18:58 50 yards Birdshot on Human Head
19:50 25 yards Birdshot on Human Head
20:35 25 Yards 00 BuckShot, and Birdshot on Human Body
21:49 15 Yards Birdshot on Human Body
22:56 15 Yards Birdshot on Human Head
24:00 10 Yards Birdshot on Human Head
25:05 5 yards Birdshot on Human Head
25:58 Montage of Birdshot mag dumping the body and point blank on the head
26:58 Final Thoughts on how far are shotguns deadly?
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The science has gotten better and so has the shotgun shells! Hahaha love your videos guys!
What’s your gaming channel gonna be called
You have a link to the science glasses but it doesn't work. Missing something? Or am I just that late?
NOOOOO! YOU SHOULDA GOT DOUG MARCAIDA to cameo! It will keeeeeel
Dr. Grand "Awesome" Thumb. Please have Micah zoom in more as the close ups ain't really that up close. I only watch on my phone & would like a very detailed look at the entry & exit wounds. I know those analogs are not cheap & I want them used to maximizes viewing potential!
Love you guys much & thx for all the humorous stuff you guys do.
Charlie: “Shotguns are pretty diverse; they’re used by breachers, duck hunters, and sad musicians everywhere”
Garandthumb: •_•
he tried so hard not to laugh at that
You could see his eyebrows raised from behind the pit vipers💀💀💀
Was that a Kurt Cobain reference I just picked up?😬
@@vitorf2918 right I love the face he made when he said it 😂🤣 I immediately was like bruh lmao
@@vitorf2918 Kurt cobain and this one black metal musician. They used the picture of his blown off head for an album cover and supposedly ate his brains and gave pieces of his skull as gifts.
Mike trying to not burst into laughter when he listed "sad musicians" was pretty fantastic.
My jaw dropped then I gave him props😂
I absolutely lost it.
I had to rewatch to make sure I heard him right then lost it whenI realized I did
That could a been the end of the video, and I would have felt like I got more than I paid for...
I enjoyed the dry dark humor here. And the slugs
The Dwight/Dahmer/Dynamite energy that Charlie brings to the table is nothing short of comedic genius.
I definitely get the feeling he could dance funny to "catch me I'm falling".
He tries too hard. No.
It woul be interesting to see you relive this test with game loads alone. "Birdshot" is typically 7/8 shot, there's also 5/6. Then getting into duck loads of 2,3&4 shot or seriously hard hitting goose loads like BB, BB2, T. In 3 or 3 1/2 inch mag loads would give people a different outlook on what "birdshot" can do.
I agree here
Totally right
Agreed. Do you know what size of shot this was? Or an estimation?
@mason 100% agreed. (ER / ICU ex- Military MD here). There are a ZILLION variables in this context, and (Sadly enough..) I've seen countless / different injuries from similar shotgun payloads + similar distances.
Agree here to. Number 4 shot hunting would be lethal for home defense. I saw another video of a guy showing what different hunting bird shot does around 20 to 30 ft distance against a pig torso. It shredded it at that range
“Shotguns are pretty diverse; they’re used by breachers, duck hunters, and sad musicians everywhere” Best line in the video, keep up the great content Dr. Thumb!
I laughed so loud when he said that, my neighbors heard it.
GT's face after he said it made it all the better
Sing distinctly, we don’t wanna.
Just Buy our album, ‘cause we’re nirvana…
I can't believe he snuck that one in! OOF.
Courtney had him killed, watch white wash documentary. I'd kill myself if I was married to her, but if he divorced her, she wouldn't have made His millions..you know, hole..her shitty band, that's her soul.
Charlie is disturbingly low key brilliant.
He empirically adds 420.69% more laughs to every video he's in
His character is so my type of humor
"Shotguns are used by sad musicians" had me dying
Fucking LOVE Charlie
He's disturbingly low-key
Love it. Not only are the gun tests awesome... the humor of the these two guys is off the chart
It would be interesting to see #1 and #4 buckshot results. A lot of the home defense community worries about over penetration indoors, so options other than 00 buck are interesting.
#4 Buckshot is very devastating, especially in "magnum" loads. Lots more
pellets than 00 Buck, still plenty of weight and a better "spread".
I have #5 turkey loads nitro mag in my 870 tactical for home defense
@@chrishush9963cool, I mostly rely on being a double hard bastard with fists like bricks. That and I've nothing worth stealing
Charlie: “it’s used by breachers, duck hunters, sad musicians..”
Garand thumb: *Almost breaks characters*
Came here to say this that shit was golden
WA is pain.
He’s not really in character is he?
Kurt cobang
That moment when you realize that wasn’t scripted 😂
Charlie is killin it lol.
He’s got the breathing, the confused look, stumbling, bumbling, the glasses push, the random look around and tool touch… it’s so perfect.
Fr)
I saw his belt and the Altoids and thought, where are the Skittles XD
There’s a lot of instructors who can throw some goood humor into things but halfway through I realize I’m a pretty occasional garland thumb viewer and appreciate his humor but I don’t know this other guy on the video I just hope he’s doing more than just open mics with his comedy.
Sooo....Charlie's autistic?
He is still more competent than the president
Birdshot is debatable. It depends on the shot used. For basic home defense, Ive found that #5 shot is more than enough to stop someone at 20 ft. I have a small home with neighbors so wanted something that would drop someone, but not go thru the walls afterwards. Though i do own plenty of 00buck.
Thanks for saying that. It bothers me how birdshot is used as a magic word. Also seems to be used as a fail point.
Do you think and act like you’re in a fictional place where government, religion and industry exist outside of fiction? Is that where your “home” is?
@johndiversey8646 I know because I've tested it. I live in a small home and I know what the damage to someone would be, unless they happen to be wearing body armor which is unlikely.
This test is very interesting and not to sound picky. There are multiple sizes of buck and multiple sizes of birdshot that could have created more gradually effective ranges. There is an "art" to shotgun shooting and selecting the proper shot size for a given task
I think you could easily relive this test with game loads alone. "Birdshot" is typically 7/8 shot, there's also 5/6. Then getting into duck loads of 2,3&4 shot or seriously hard hitting goose loads like BB, BB2, T. In 3 or 3 1/2 inch mag loads would give people a different outlook on what "birdshot" can do.
Even the "bird shot" at 50 yds, while not deadly, or even seriously damaging, would help you remember that you left the oven on. 🤔 gotta go.
@masoncampos7043 well I have the duck loads lying around but not the ballistics gell to test them on. I'd imagine my bismuth 2 shot is more painful than 7/8 target loans.
The "I went hunting with grandpa but he was hunting grandma" bit kills me every time
That's what grandma said.
@@ihcterra4625 😂😂
“And she's fine.”
As someone who has survived birdshot at point-blank range, it's still life changing and horrifically painful for years and years.... Don't underestimate that junk.
Sorry you had to experience that :(
Why did you get shot? What where you doing
they leave some of those tiny pellets in if they cant remove them all correct?
Christopher Sparkman, a U.S. Army veteran, is the security guard who was working at the Kennesaw FedEx facility when an employee opened fire on April 29, 2014
Thank you for your service. Sorry you had to endure that man.
Glad I found your channel lol, perfect mix of comedy and practical information with regards to ballistics, love it!
No joke, the sound design on the slow-mo parts is genius. Sounds perfectly matching what's happening.
Well done.
Charlie is one of the most effortlessly funny dudes that I've ever seen. It is 1000 times more impressive when you see him being serious.
Yeah sure
@@MG-lh5tw a character.
I dont play video games but when i’m on call of duty….
I have to disagree if you're talking about the ginger. He's annoying and I wish he'd shut up.
@@KeepTheGates Come on now mate, I’m not even a bloody Yank and that’s funny as f#ck!
Dr. Garand Thumb,
I am a military historian and watching this video has reminded me of an ammunition load from the American Civil War.
Because both sides were low on rifled muskets at the start, many of them were using .69 (nice) caliber smoothbore muskets. One of the popular cartridges for this weapon was called the "buck and ball" load. This would be the .69 caliber ball with three buckshot loaded on top.
The accounts we have describe these loads as being particularly devastating within 80 yards.
I was wondering if you would do a "historical" science episode on this load.
Winchester had a few of these loads for home defense for their PDX1 line. One rifled slug with 3 00 pellets behind it.
The performance was disappointing. Might as well used either a rifled slug alone to prevent stray bbs, 00 buck if you need the spread, or just a straight up rifle instead.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a legitimate ballistic test of muskets. Only ever saw them fired just for the fun of it. I would love to see just how accurate they actually are or probably aren’t
absolutely nobody cares, dude; those confederate & union troops would have MUCH preferred a better rifle =/
@@LIONTAMER3D I think you don't understand the point. The point is that they had to make do before they got the better rifles. Smooth bore muskets were essentially gone by the second year of the war.
The point is that even with the inadequate weapons, there were some devastating innovations they made and it would be interesting to see those innovations tested with modern science.
Mike is not really a scientist, or historian, he's not even human, he is what's known as A Kutchtikah, from alaskan myth, he will dress up like an old lady, and lure you into the woods, then make you comb his hair...Forever!, oh and he takes your soul
At 25:15… you found out what I found out.
I was about 30 years old at the time.
In an altercation I was shot in the leg at about 5 yards with a 20 gauge. Steel shot, I consider myself lucky at that as I am in my mid 50s now, and still have shot in my leg, lead poisoning. I took it in my right leg outer thigh, and it wiped out a good 5” swath of skin, muscle, nerves, whatever was there ended up on the wall behind me. I got really lucky and wasn’t hit again.
But yeah, bird shot, 5 yards, the pattern is tight enough to carry the energy. Bad news.
I keep my shotty loaded with #1 buck. You get the same energy, twice the pellets.
Typically lead bullets won’t give you lead poisoning. That comes from ingesting lead. I work in an ER and docs don’t remove bullets unless absolutely necessary.
Back in the 00’s, a pheasant hunting preserve was trying to open up in Wasco Co, Oregon. Some of the neighbors objected on the basis that they didn’t want the bird shot crossing their property lines and killing their family. So the business in question staged a demonstration in which they actually shot an employee at a range of 100 yards or so, and showed that he was unharmed beyond maybe some bruising.
I just love when Charlie says sad musicians, u can see Garand holding his laughter in, at 4:13
*looks at camera*
*HMMMMM*
That line had me dying from laughter
Hahaha that was hilarious 🤣
Holy shit was that dark. I love it!
@@collinb.8542 he 100% pissed his pants as soon as the take was over
The addition of Charlie for the science episodes was genius. He brings so much legitimacy to the entire scientific process. All the great ones have small tics and neurocies and Charlie is no exception. He adds gravity to the postulates of Garand Thumb and I am honored to be able to watch.
From the institute of science institutes
on the other hand Squire Charlie has a lot of difficulty using his head (blocking sunlight and view). i recommend he have that particular head removed and replaced with a nice Plexiglas box shelf for future videos. as to the voice, i recommend a digital carl sagan in keeping with your science motif.
neuroses
@@cholesterol6703 damnit
4:10 charlie talking about the shotgun made me choke on my drink holy fuck his humor is underrated sometimes
Loved the video guys , just curious about your bird shot selection. I would like to know what steel shot does at different sizes and distance. Thank you for sharing this video, keep up the great work!
The “Chicago esc type shooting where you hope you don’t hit a three year old” and the shotgun used by sad musicians part 🤣 I love the dark humor in this video. 🤣
I’m a retired cop. In 1994 I was shot with #9 birdshot from a sawed off shotgun from 17 yards.
I was in the old Weaver flashlight stance, firing, and was struck in both hands, both arms and unfortunately in the face from below the nose up.
Felt like a wide baseball bat hit me in the face. Both hands immediately went numb and unusable. I had some arterial bleeding from my left wrists which I covered covered with my limp ass right hand. A few seconds later blood began pouring out of my nose and down my throat.
So what happened was, some of the pellets hit my forehead and flattened out on the surface of the skull. Several pellets penetrated my skull above my eyes and lodged behind my sinuses, this was the reason the blood faucet turned on. One pellet went very deep and caused a basilar skull fracture. Because I was in the weaver stance most of the damage below my head was to my left arm. I ended up with a compartment syndrome and have two massive scars.
I was pretty messed up luckily there was lots of cops around because the shooter had already shot an officer, which is why my sorry ass was there and I happened to find the guy.
The recovery was horrible, very painful, and I was out for two years. The compartment syndrome caused motor nerve damage to my arm and it was slow going. The sensory nerves were wide awake!!!! I have about 85% use but still have pain. Yeah I went back and did 37 years. On a positive note the pattern of the pellets on my face was amazingly lucky on my part. They hit above my eyes, down my nose, and under my right eye. One hitting between my eye and the bridge of my nose. God loves kids,fools and cops
So at 17 yards, birdshot no joke. I’m sure the ammo was pretty cheap as well. My partner and I shot the guy 9 times before he fired and he died(the old 9mm rounds. A whole different story)
Ouch …. way to hang tuff dude ! Glad ya hung in there 👊🏼
@@Cptkarma6 Hey thanks. Yesterday was the anniversary.
Bit late to this but damn, man. Glad you’re around to write about it.
@@TheGreatHotDogConsumer Hey thanks.
Did you ever have any scenerio like that since or was it peaceful until you retired?
Recently discovered this channel and the humour has me giggling like a child. In the hospital now, had surgery yesterday and the pain is sometimes intense. This gave me a good break from the monotony in a hospital setting. It was great with a little escape so thanks for the videos :)
Get well soon
Hope recovery is going well for you too@@punctatus3285
Pretty much lines up with what I imagined after shooting shotguns over the years. I have to tell you this video gave me chills.
Garand Thumb is such a hero answering the questions we were all asking ourselves but that no one would answer
That's been answered already a few years ago by Matt over at Demoranch
"If you ever got tired of driving on the freeway seeing cringe punisher, we the people, 1776, 3%, molan laab, n snek don't tread sticker right next to a blue line sticker(makes no sense) talking about holding the line, when in reality that line keeps getting pushed back go ahead and hit that like button"
If you ever had a pro-2A boomer tell you, "Ya don't need an AR15 or high capacity clip for home defense", go ahead and subscribe.
@@andreivaldez2929 I am a pro-2A boomer and I would tell you that you need multiple AR15s and multiple normal capacity (30rnds) magazines.
Don't snek on muh fat family. Where is the Sonic?
(These guys are my arsenal).
Screw a network budget. We need a demonetized youtuber to answer the REAL questions these days
Dude gets plenty of cash for his demonetized channel, tho.. neat, huh?
the science channel is real
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@what now lol
I only came here because i thought that was Kentucky Ballistics in the thumbnail, like everything, Mike tells us, it was just a bunch of smoke and mirrors, turns out, it's not Scott..It's some normie, named Charlie, if you ask me, i don't trust em, Charlie...bamboo, Ho Chi Minh, and look at that fuckin moostaschio... i rest my case..
Fairly new to your channel, but have you guys ever made just a blooper/gag reel? You guys are informative but also had me dying at times. 😂
Charlie: “Shotguns are pretty diverse; they’re used by breachers, duck hunters, and sad musicians everywhere.”
I'm suddenly hearing "Come As You Are" in the background.
Micah: "I got a question"
Charlie: "Once"
I hope more people caught that 😂😂😂
Fancy seeing you here.
Dude. Im not a fan of his humor, but that killed me
Not surprised Kevin watches Garand Thumb
Can someone explain?
@@af7119 yeah bro idk either 😩
The way Charlie is acting like a new apprentice on sight is brilliant, had me pissing my sides laughing 😂
16:00 Thing is with birdshot that most bird-game or rabbits aren't killed by the pellets themselves. It's the shock that temporarily dislocates organs, causing internal organ failure and death.
Gimme a break .
@@robertlosasso4222 That's some HIGH quality fudd-lore right there. Wow!
I suppose you believe a 50 cal will blow limbs of it it passes close also😂
@@haydenjones962 Why would I? I'm a hunter. I know my game. Has nothing to do with belief. Can't speculate on rounds I don't shoot.
@@mikeforester3963 Because it falls into the same category of other nonsense that "hunters" would spout on gun forums in earlier internet days.
Idk why, but I love how daintily he slides the rounds into the M4 chamber
Some Bob Ross type satisfaction-
Cameraman: "I got a question..."
Charlie: "Once."
Also, Garand says "Now, I wanna try the head next..." *Charlie takes a knee*
Charlie is a gem.
timestamp pls
@@thedragonofcanada6659 18:38
Charlie really knows his stuff. Glad he’s on board to help clarify scientific analysis
hes the best
"This is just one muscular-esq body, most people avoid the gym... so if you can imagine a body the size of my ex-girlfriend"
Hahah
great video well explained all i have for protection is a 12 gauge and bird shot ...now i know my capabilities..love Charly man
I absolutely love your guys content lmao yeah they're funny but the tests you guys do are literally the tests I'd do.. I think about this stuff and sometime later a video pops up 😂 you kill these
Exotic ammo options such as dragons breath and or flechette rounds at the ballistics dummies is something I'd love to see in a future video.
Those are meme rounds.
@@johnjay1147 yeah and? Shoot them at the dummies for the memes
@@johnjay1147 That would make it even more fun to watch.
Some bolo rounds would be sick too
@@johnjay1147 The garand thumb channel is a meme at this point
“Used by breachers, duck hunters and sad musicians”. 😆
Hilarious. Garandthumb is trying not to laugh right after that. 😂
Garand trying to stay in character so hard. :D
So we learnt that shotguns are best used at Cobain distance 👍
I lost it on that one. Lmao
Bro I was taken so off guard by that😂
23:49 "I think right after it happens." LOL!!!!!
Would love to see improvised shotgun rounds, cut shells, wax slugs, wax turkey loads maybe. Thanks for the content..
@26.00 minutes you’ll see a slug fully pancake on the chest and spear to bounce off!!! Like you see that pancaked slug flipping thru the air. How is this possible??? Can anyone respond and tell me this????
You were the most recent to watch this old ass video so I figure it was my best shot at people seeing this and replying lol
If you know tho.. lmk. If you don’t REALLY KNOW.. lmk (let me know, for boomers) what you THINK MAY HAVE HAPPENED IN THIS PART OF YHE VIDEO!!! Goes from 26.00 to like 26.08ish whenever it cuts to the next shot
Its good to see that Charlie gets to exercise his genius and talents with other like-minded individuals of his proclivities. His use of the spoken word, and his ability to find the correct tool for the job, really does make him the standout amongst all gun-tube. We should all truly wish we had a little Charlie in us.
Or a lot...
That sounds like rape
So do America!
fact check for Charlie - the ballistic dummy also lacks nipples, which is pertinent
"You got a couple hits, here and here but overall that's more consistent with Chicago-ess style shooting where you kind of just send things and hope they don't hit a three year old."- Charlie "Charlie makes really good valid points, now..."- Garand Thumb
Not to be a pedant but the suffix is “-esque” not -ess. I also found charlie very funny. It could be the longer length but the ratio of landed quips was much higher than other videos.
@@MRCOLOURfilld Mate, it's a TH-cam comment not a legal binding document. Yes, you're right but it wasn't worth the time to edit
Not worth the time to edit, but totally worth the time to type out a butthurt reply.
@@jasonthegreat49103 Not worth the time to edit then explain why I needed to edit in the first place. I accepted that I was technically wrong, yet I'm still butthurt because I remarked that the pretentious grammar-nazi's correction was unnecessary in this forum? Sure. If you say so I guess.
These intros are the best! Totally make me think of the 80’s and the videos we always got stuck watching in school
I think if you adjust for drop a slug could easily be deadly at 300 to 400 yards. Put a scope on a shot gun and then dial it in. Be interesting to see y'all spend a day seeing just how far you can get with a slug.
Yes, The shooters accuracy sucks
I think Iraq Vet 8888 tested that. Basically if you can hit it with a slug, it will die. But the drop plus the loss of stabilization due to low amount of spin will make it nearly impossible to consistently hit targets past 150. Slugs are pretty bad about fluttering off course by several feet due to a light breeze at 150 yards or more.
Bad Company vibes
“Ballistic gel isnt quite a human body.”
Charlie: it doesn’t feel the same 😏
“I got a question”
Charlie: “Once”
I was actually surprised the 00B went clean through at distance. Yeah the pellets were far and wide but if you dump 7 rounds in rapid succession that's 63 .30 caliber balls flying at the problem.
Would you say then that 00B is a "problem solver"?
@@BadazzShovelhead I like it. I've shot pigs with it through some pretty thick brush out to 25-30 yards and dropped them.
Just buy the police load and tune your shotgun to it. Problems solved.
The musket never whent away, we just call em shotguns
My favourite load out here in Australia is a 42gr BB through an Extra Full choke, has killing power def out to 50m (170ft). I don't like the OOSG's as with our smaller game, the pattern has to many windows and the animals seem to be able to Neo through it.
Had an older neighbor who survived getting birdshot to the face. Another neighbor thought he was stealing from them because they saw him cutting through the woods between their houses, and the two never got acquainted to know each other. He ended up losing one of his eyes, and that side of his face slumps similar to people who have strokes. Terrible stuff. 😔
I am so glad Grandma survived... I hope.
25 yards (longer than my hallway) on the head with birdshot was fairly effective. I'm impressed. And my wife has no problem shooting bird shot in 12 gauge.
Descriptive assessment of rock salt at 25 yards by Dr. Grandthumb, "Really, really bad. We have multiple pellets that have entered the eye socket,... the jaw; you are out of the fight at that point." Birdshot on the torso, "We are just absolutely peppered with birdshot. They are getting about an inch [at this point] in; not deadly, but very bad."
Now, birdshot at 15 yards (about the length of my hallway), "Ya know what? We've got some blood. Oh, look at that :() It looks like, when they are hitting the bone, they are not penetrating the bone, however; it certainly had enough oomph to enter the liver. We have a pretty good bleed going there. I am going to say that you're obviously out of the fight; I don't know that it's necessarily lethal from that one hit, though."
Dr. Grandthumb, Squire, and Micah,
Now, if you please... do a study of rock-salt loads inside of 25 yards.
I still cannot believe that Beatrix "the Bride" Kiddo (codename: Black Mamba) survived that 10ft distance 12 gauge rock-salt chest shot with both barrels from Budd (aka Sidewinder).
Remember to aim down sights to tighten the spread
Next I would like to see improvised shotgun ammo tested: "cut" shells, and wax slugs made from birdshot. One of the early IV8888 videos had him and Barry discussing how old timers used to make them, it would be a nice homage. RIP Barry.
Yeah!! Cut shells
@GambleSTARS I make them already for myself
TH-cam doesn't allow that kind of stuff anymore. Demoranch grew his channel doing videos like those and had to take them all down
The channel you're looking for is Taofledermaus
Please!
If all else fails, just sing loudly, 🎶”Shotgun get it done, come on Mony…”🎶
Nothing has ever made me happier on TH-cam than starting this video and seeing a shotgun that very closely resembles my same setup... I did good...
I’ve done a few autopsies on shotgun suicides. Even with the barrel of the gun in the mouth, a lot of the birdshot will bounce around the inside of the skull. Skull densities can vary, though. I’ve seen a 9mm, shot in through the mouth, NOT fully penetrate the skull (it was cracked pretty good, though).
Wow. I could not do your job. How does seeing shit like that not screw you up man?
@@YearsOVDecay1 adults are easy, you just have to realize it’s an empty body…the person is gone, after that it’s just a task. Dealing with kids can be sad though.
@@Yahsom you got kids big dawg?
@@josheh_. I have foster children
@@Yahsom do you still do that job? I'm sure shotgun suicides are quite gruesome, would you say they're the most gruesome thing you've seen with that job? If not what would be?
"It's like Chicago style, where you just send it out and hope you don't hit a 3 year old."
Man doesn't pull his punches lol
I would love to see a comparison of different slug options and guns
Start with a rifled slug and go to a midwestern deer slug gun with riffled barrel and sabot slugs.
A lot of the guys I used to hunt with back there have gone to bolt action 20 gauges chambered for shells 3 to 3.5” with rifled barrels and they are grouping decent at 200 yards.
It would just be interesting to see how far out the slugs in different weapons and different styles stay accurate and deadly.
even though the birdshot didn't penetrate very far, it's still putting a lot of kinetic energy into the target, and the shock value of a bad guy suddenly seeing blood all over..
I used to work in a hospital near Dekalb,Il. This guy in in late 20s broke into an elderly woman's home. She hit him with a 1oz slug from approximately 12feet. The entrance whole in his chest was a bit bigger than a half dollar. You turn him over and his scapula was gone. Needless to say, he was super dead. .
Go granny go.
Old school KOOL
Sucks to suck lmao
I have learned some valuable information from this , thanks 👍👍👍
4:10 LMAO I love how mike try’s not to laugh after “sad musicians”
Charlie is actually a genius addition to the channel; the perfect blend of awkward antagonist and surreal assistant.
( *squire* , I mean.)
It would have been cool to see the face test with ballistic eyepro. Although, as a fellow doctor in New Jersey, my medical expertise tells me that even if your eyepro kept pellets out of your eyes, the bbs would likely be able to penetrate your temporal and facial arteries and your face would be bleeding so much you'd be out of the fight because of all the blood getting in your eyes
But all that metal in your face will make bulletproof armor that can save you from any other shots.
And that's assuming that the individual in question is so badass they don't don't tail and run after being shot in the face
@@adabsurdum5905 fair. Just watching the slow mo impacts I can’t imagine not being like “NOPE I’m fucking done. Fuck this”
I can believe him, i got a small cut on eyebrow and i couldnt see out of 1 eye because of the blood. I cant imagine how much blood you would lose if you have 100 little holes in your face.
@@nickloven6728 as I said, fellow doctor in New Jersey. The face is very vascular and the two arteries in your face would make that so much worse. -11/10 would be a bad day
They did not take 1 key factor into consideration = barrel length. This can make a world of difference in effective deadly range. With a 28 inch barrel I've shot and killed coyotes with 1 shot of 00 buckshot @ 130 yards. This outcome would be much different on an 18 inch barrel.
Exactly, from all of the shotgun max range vids on TH-cam and on the web no one talks about the lethality of a 28 to 30 inch barrel with a full choke on it.
It's a good thing that Charlie has such positive roll models around. God knows what he'd be up to without you there. Keep up the amazing work.
He would be a Chicago gang member by now
Seems nobody else has commented the absolute funniest Charlie moment in this vid:
@16:32 "You want about a good 12" of penetra-" "It doesn't feel the same..." Immediately following up with (as Mika starts to ask "how many-") "Once."
Pure Gold
Yah...
But the joke about kids in Chicago getting killed from stray bullets wasn't even funny at all...
Pretty sad that would even be a joke on here, I thought these guys were classy...
Don't joke about little kids getting killed man, not cool Charleston
@@ajcook7777 it’s dark humor but it is funny
@@ajcook7777 no it's funny
@@ajcook7777 How to tell someone you don't understand humour without saying that you don't understand humour. Carry on, Karen.
I don’t get it lol
Minute 7:20 “Charlie makes really good valid points” 😂
One thing to consider with birdshot for home defense is that if you miss your target, it's much less likely to kill anyone on the other side of interior walls. Sure, it'll blow a hole through sheet rock, but that'll take a lot ouf of the kinetic energy of the shot.
Charlie is a fantastic addition. I hope he gets his certification.
Well, he did drop out of medical school. I mean, why not.
Hey. He earned his white lab coat so that counts for something right?
The fact that Clint Smith hasn't been on for a shotgun science video yet is a tragedy that knows no bounds.
Shovels n buckets
Couple of questions please.
In the 1990's Georgia Public Safety Training Center and the Georgia State Patrol were teaching/using a modified choke in a 12 gauge, 12 inch (?) barrel. It was a long time ago, my memory isn't so good anymore, but that's what I remember. It worked back then but is it still acceptable to shoot both slug and OO Buck through a modified choke?
Also; as I understand it, one of the recommendations for home defense is to use # 4 shot. How lethal is this ammo and from what ranges?
Your/anyone's advise is greatly appreciated.
George
1:10 Why do I get a Christian Bale "American Psycho" vibe during this intro?
Also, that stupid broken rake gets me every time :D
One thing I’ve heard, is in the 1960s or so, bird shot was used in riot shotguns as “less than lethal” ammo, because of the lack of penetration. I’m not entirely sure of the validity of this but it is interesting to see the performance of birdshot here.
I’ve also heard that.
Ask Harry Whittington
I saw a video of a shootout where a cop got shot by a shotgun straight to the arms and chest, and because it was birdshot he was able to draw, return fire, and secure the scene. I wouldn't really want to trust my life to birdshot
My aunt hit a home intruder with birdshot from about 15 feet and he survived to only break into her neighbors house 2 years later but he got hit with a slug in his face. Closed casket I’m afraid.
Edit: the real question is how am I commenting on a video when I’m in hell hanging with my bestie Breona Taylor?
I have heard of riot police using rock salt, unfortunately all tests to date that I'm aware of have used small grain rock salt which simply disintegrates prior to leaving the barrel. But clearly bird shot would be a far less lethal option assuming you were beyond 20 yards.
More on bird shot please.
-3.5" Gobbler loads.
-3" steel in BB and #4
-Lead shot in #4
A 410 with buckshot @ 80 yards would be cool to see aswell.
Good stuff guys.
BIG YES, especially the .410 loads at range.
Bigger bird shot like steel 1s and BB would be interesting.
tungsten turkey loads
The biggest issue I have is whether it's a home defender or a full barrel shotgun, is it a full choke or 1 with variable choke tubes and then if it is a 12 Ga. what size chamber/shell is being used? 2 3/4, 3" or even 3.5"... I find these all to be a bit miss leading when the shotgun is not identified, or shell size used plus wether it's a semi-auto or a pump ( we all should know that a semi has less force than a pump due to gasses being used to cycle the action) .... just my 2 cents
@@brettnipps7205
Agreed. So many variables.
Love my m38/96. You have to aim low at 100yds because the sites start at 200m. The Mauser shoots 5” or better groups all day at 500yds with Lapua 121g scenar rounds.
“Is that a butter knife” “Yea”😂😂😂
The birdshot is basically a slug at 5yds but at 10 the amount of muscle separation and concussive effect that showed had to be lights out.
Videogame shotguns must use birdshot
@@darthvader7684 genius
Lacrimosa is the perfect song to watch shotguns and Altoids.
@@darthvader7684 Days Gone feels pretty accurate with buckshot or something there abouts.
Fallout 4, shotguns are almost pointless unfortunately.
I'd like to see a comparison of the impact force of the birdshot compared to say, a pro slugger with a baseball bat.
If imagine the pellets that individually they don't penetrate the skull, but their collective impact is something like getting wailed on with a bat or 2x4
These results are surprisingly similar to the stated effective ranges taught in the military for the M4 shotgun - 40m for buck and 120m for slug.
That's not at all surprising. Do you think they just guessed?
@@Centermass762 You've never been in the British Army, have you?
No, sir, I have not. 😆
@@PaddyInf TBF, you didn't specify it was the British military making the claim.
How do you land a slug on target through a 18inch barrel shotgun?
Fun video! It would be nice to know the weight and velocity of the different rounds used.
Also - can you do a test of glasses (sunglasses, protective eyewear & prescription polycarbonates) with the bird shot to see which glasses provide the best protection?
Charlie is the man!
"Chicago-esque shooting where you sort of just send things and hope you don't hit a 3 year old"
That 5 yard birdshot slow motion was easily the best shot you’ve recorded during this whole science series 🤔🤯🤯🤯
That expansion was...eye opening.
@@Jeff.78 🤣😂
Anyone else hear "meat from bone" in Clint Smith's voice ?
Especially with the Hitman ish music in the background, love it!
"Charlie, what are you doing?" "I'm just holding it!"
This is my first time to visit, and I am a "total fan" of your channel. I love the "humor" and the "scientific" approach. I can hardly wait to watch "everything" you've produced. And, you answer a crucial question for me and my "home defense self". (I don't "know" why I'm using quotation marks so freely and "innocently.") Love the real-world examples..... Like shooting in Chicago, shoot and hope you don't hit a three-year-old. - hilarious.
Seems accurate, have a coworker who took some birdshot to the face from a hunting accident at 80 yards or so. Similar results to this, pellets got stuck just under skin. One was lodged behind eye and had to be removed about a year later when he started to have lead poisoning issues...
Damn your coworker just had lead behind his eye and just didn’t care
Jesus
@@echo3568 sometimes removing it is more dangerous than leaving it
remember when dick cheney blasted a guy in the face with a turkey gun?
Coworker if mine was accidentally shot by an old timer getting up to greet him during turkey hunting. Lost a few more of the few teeth he had left (he's from VT) still has a hole in his cheek.
I really respect you paying homage to those that came before
He forgot 'depressed novelists'.
@@bdwilcox to be fair i can't say i blame hemmingway given his situation
There is nothing better than the science intro. Perfectly done.
That was great, thanks guys!!
Can we all just admire the mag full of earplugs carried by Charlie?? We need more people like Charlie.
Monty Python isn't doing stuff anymore. Charlie can do it!
I’m certain those are altoids lol
@@dariandurden8593 definitely are 😂
Those were Aspirin tablets 😂
@@dariandurden8593 No kidding!! That's funny AF!!!
Dude, the mix of seriousness and Charlie is just right. Love the mix with info and slow mo, and his dumb ass. I also really enjoy your regular gun review and ballistic tests. To much of Charlie could be bad or brilliant. Time will tell.
Word..funny, just don’t overdo it.
Charlie needs his own sub-channel
“Is this real Charlie?”
“No… We talked about that.”
😂😂😂
As a hunter who has setup 1 particular shotgun to do a few different types of hunting. I can tell you without even watching this video. I have 2 different choke cylinders for it. A modified that came with it for small game with a large spread. That I would shoot #7 & #8 for quail and dove. And a Super Extra Full Turkey choke. Called the Undertaker. I've never shot anything through it other than #4 & #6 in 3inch magnum. Setup in this manner it (will) blow huge holes in a vehicles door and even cut the window posts in half at 10 yards. Whereas the same exact loads in a normal setup will merely dent the vehicle and peel the paint. It's all about the load and how the weapon is setup at the same time. But when changing this weapon around like this. It goes from being a kitty cat to being a LION. And trust me. You can feel the difference. Me and my boys love to see how people react. Then they say let me see some of those shells. My shotgun can do that. Lol!😂😂😂
For anyone interested:
Drag Force (Fd) = (1/2)*Cd*rho*A*v^2.
Forgetting about the other variables, drag force scales with the length dimension associated squared (the frontal area) of the projectile, in this case radius: Fd = (something)*r^2
Mass is rho*V, in this case: m = (something)*r^3
So drag force increases with the square of the size of the projectile and mass increases with the cube of the size dimension. By F=ma, the acceleration (or deceleration due to drag) is inversely proportional to the size of the projectile.
That is why small little bird shot hits like nothing at 100 yards yet buckshot has the power to do damage: birdshot has much more kinetic energy lost to drag. This is also why sectional density is so important regarding long range projectiles-- SD = mass/frontal area, this is just the inverse of the deceleration of the bullet times some other stuff. Higher sectional density directly lowers deceleration due to drag.
Amazing explanation. Thank you.
So this is why tungsten or depleted uranium at 19.3 grams/cm3 density has better ballistic characteristics than lead at 11.29 gram/cm3
Oh nevermind you said sectional density, not just density. Tungsten or uranium would have lower muzzle velocity out of the barrel all else being equal.
So a cone shaped or rod shaped projectile should have a lot better ballistics than a cannonball.
@@ezziebb3986 shape of the projectile, density of material both have a market effect on the ballistics of the projectile. Higher density allows for a greater sectional density without requiring longer projectiles (longer = more skin friction drag).
As far as shape goes, we often talk about the ballistic coefficient, with higher values being better generally. In fluid dynamics, we have the drag coefficient. The ballistic coefficient is inversely proportional to the drag coefficient, for the latter, smaller values mean lower drag force by my Fd equation above. Drag coefficient and Ballistic coefficient both change with velocity (especially with the transition from subsonic=>transonic and from transonic=>supersonic. With most projectiles, a nice slipstream shape yields the lowest drag. With really high velocity projectiles, having nice curvy slippery shapes doesn’t help so much since most drag at those speeds comes from compression of the air in front of the projectile. This is why anti-tank tank rounds are very long, slender dart shapes (the super long length also has to do with the physics of armor penetration which is a whole different subject).
The video editing just keeps getting better, and Charlie is just amazing and GTs reactions to Charlies actions are perfect.
Best channel ive started frequenting lately.
sound engineer needs to tone it down
"The question is when is it immediate?"
Charlie: I think right after it happens
Me: instantly paused video, and Subbed 23:55
It's been awhile, (close to 50 yrs), I had a cousin from Alabama visiting - while here in Mo he wanted to go rabbit hunting. It being a Sunday, none of the stores was open, but we managed to scrounge up a dozen shells or so- some 4's, some 6's, and a couple of 8's trap loads.
Our Beagles were on 1 rabbit when I saw another one along a fenceline 65 yards away. I cut down on it- and my dad chewed me out for wasting a shell. So I walked over to the fence, picked up the rabbit, carried it back to my Dad and said, "You can carry it, I was just wasting a shell"
“More Chicago style shooting, where you kinda just send things and hope they don’t hit a three year old”😂😂
"When would you be dead from this?"
Charlie: "I think right after it happens" I'm wiping my eyes. God that was perfect!