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Dr. Grand "Awesome" Thumb. Please have Micah zoom in more as the close ups ain't really that up close. I only watch on my phone & would like a very detailed look at the entry & exit wounds. I know those analogs are not cheap & I want them used to maximizes viewing potential! Love you guys much & thx for all the humorous stuff you guys do.
@@vitorf2918 Kurt cobain and this one black metal musician. They used the picture of his blown off head for an album cover and supposedly ate his brains and gave pieces of his skull as gifts.
Charlie is killin it lol. He’s got the breathing, the confused look, stumbling, bumbling, the glasses push, the random look around and tool touch… it’s so perfect.
There’s a lot of instructors who can throw some goood humor into things but halfway through I realize I’m a pretty occasional garland thumb viewer and appreciate his humor but I don’t know this other guy on the video I just hope he’s doing more than just open mics with his comedy.
Back in the 00’s, a pheasant hunting preserve was trying to open up in Wasco Co, Oregon. Some of the neighbors objected on the basis that they didn’t want the bird shot crossing their property lines and killing their family. So the business in question staged a demonstration in which they actually shot an employee at a range of 100 yards or so, and showed that he was unharmed beyond maybe some bruising.
“Shotguns are pretty diverse; they’re used by breachers, duck hunters, and sad musicians everywhere” Best line in the video, keep up the great content Dr. Thumb!
Courtney had him killed, watch white wash documentary. I'd kill myself if I was married to her, but if he divorced her, she wouldn't have made His millions..you know, hole..her shitty band, that's her soul.
It woul be interesting to see you relive this test with game loads alone. "Birdshot" is typically 7/8 shot, there's also 5/6. Then getting into duck loads of 2,3&4 shot or seriously hard hitting goose loads like BB, BB2, T. In 3 or 3 1/2 inch mag loads would give people a different outlook on what "birdshot" can do.
@mason 100% agreed. (ER / ICU ex- Military MD here). There are a ZILLION variables in this context, and (Sadly enough..) I've seen countless / different injuries from similar shotgun payloads + similar distances.
Agree here to. Number 4 shot hunting would be lethal for home defense. I saw another video of a guy showing what different hunting bird shot does around 20 to 30 ft distance against a pig torso. It shredded it at that range
As someone who has survived birdshot at point-blank range, it's still life changing and horrifically painful for years and years.... Don't underestimate that junk.
Christopher Sparkman, a U.S. Army veteran, is the security guard who was working at the Kennesaw FedEx facility when an employee opened fire on April 29, 2014
Dr. Garand Thumb, I am a military historian and watching this video has reminded me of an ammunition load from the American Civil War. Because both sides were low on rifled muskets at the start, many of them were using .69 (nice) caliber smoothbore muskets. One of the popular cartridges for this weapon was called the "buck and ball" load. This would be the .69 caliber ball with three buckshot loaded on top. The accounts we have describe these loads as being particularly devastating within 80 yards. I was wondering if you would do a "historical" science episode on this load.
Winchester had a few of these loads for home defense for their PDX1 line. One rifled slug with 3 00 pellets behind it. The performance was disappointing. Might as well used either a rifled slug alone to prevent stray bbs, 00 buck if you need the spread, or just a straight up rifle instead.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a legitimate ballistic test of muskets. Only ever saw them fired just for the fun of it. I would love to see just how accurate they actually are or probably aren’t
@@LIONTAMER3D I think you don't understand the point. The point is that they had to make do before they got the better rifles. Smooth bore muskets were essentially gone by the second year of the war. The point is that even with the inadequate weapons, there were some devastating innovations they made and it would be interesting to see those innovations tested with modern science.
Mike is not really a scientist, or historian, he's not even human, he is what's known as A Kutchtikah, from alaskan myth, he will dress up like an old lady, and lure you into the woods, then make you comb his hair...Forever!, oh and he takes your soul
It would be interesting to see #1 and #4 buckshot results. A lot of the home defense community worries about over penetration indoors, so options other than 00 buck are interesting.
"If you ever got tired of driving on the freeway seeing cringe punisher, we the people, 1776, 3%, molan laab, n snek don't tread sticker right next to a blue line sticker(makes no sense) talking about holding the line, when in reality that line keeps getting pushed back go ahead and hit that like button"
Years ago, I worked a gun shot victim, shot at pretty close range, with a 12 Guage. He was conscious, his tongue was swelling out of his mouth, and my partner and I were able to intubate him before his airway closed off and he lost consciousness. When we arrived, he was lying in a floor and trying to scream. We kind of gathered "they burn, get them out". We were able to get him on a helicopter and to the right facility. He did survive. The crazy thing is, his brother shot him over breaking into his trailer for drugs. So we were told. Also, he was one of 13 siblings, one of which I had been friends with for years. It's difficult to work EMS anywhere but in a county that you grew up in and know many people, there are a lot of bad days.
Its good to see that Charlie gets to exercise his genius and talents with other like-minded individuals of his proclivities. His use of the spoken word, and his ability to find the correct tool for the job, really does make him the standout amongst all gun-tube. We should all truly wish we had a little Charlie in us.
The addition of Charlie for the science episodes was genius. He brings so much legitimacy to the entire scientific process. All the great ones have small tics and neurocies and Charlie is no exception. He adds gravity to the postulates of Garand Thumb and I am honored to be able to watch.
on the other hand Squire Charlie has a lot of difficulty using his head (blocking sunlight and view). i recommend he have that particular head removed and replaced with a nice Plexiglas box shelf for future videos. as to the voice, i recommend a digital carl sagan in keeping with your science motif.
I only came here because i thought that was Kentucky Ballistics in the thumbnail, like everything, Mike tells us, it was just a bunch of smoke and mirrors, turns out, it's not Scott..It's some normie, named Charlie, if you ask me, i don't trust em, Charlie...bamboo, Ho Chi Minh, and look at that fuckin moostaschio... i rest my case..
At 25:15… you found out what I found out. I was about 30 years old at the time. In an altercation I was shot in the leg at about 5 yards with a 20 gauge. Steel shot, I consider myself lucky at that as I am in my mid 50s now, and still have shot in my leg, lead poisoning. I took it in my right leg outer thigh, and it wiped out a good 5” swath of skin, muscle, nerves, whatever was there ended up on the wall behind me. I got really lucky and wasn’t hit again. But yeah, bird shot, 5 yards, the pattern is tight enough to carry the energy. Bad news. I keep my shotty loaded with #1 buck. You get the same energy, twice the pellets.
Typically lead bullets won’t give you lead poisoning. That comes from ingesting lead. I work in an ER and docs don’t remove bullets unless absolutely necessary.
Jesus. If you don't mind sharing, can I ask what the altercation was about? I imagine it has to be pretty serious for someone to pull a shotgun on you.. Glad you avoided the worst of it regardless.
I was actually surprised the 00B went clean through at distance. Yeah the pellets were far and wide but if you dump 7 rounds in rapid succession that's 63 .30 caliber balls flying at the problem.
My favourite load out here in Australia is a 42gr BB through an Extra Full choke, has killing power def out to 50m (170ft). I don't like the OOSG's as with our smaller game, the pattern has to many windows and the animals seem to be able to Neo through it.
This test is very interesting and not to sound picky. There are multiple sizes of buck and multiple sizes of birdshot that could have created more gradually effective ranges. There is an "art" to shotgun shooting and selecting the proper shot size for a given task
I think you could easily relive this test with game loads alone. "Birdshot" is typically 7/8 shot, there's also 5/6. Then getting into duck loads of 2,3&4 shot or seriously hard hitting goose loads like BB, BB2, T. In 3 or 3 1/2 inch mag loads would give people a different outlook on what "birdshot" can do.
@masoncampos7043 well I have the duck loads lying around but not the ballistics gell to test them on. I'd imagine my bismuth 2 shot is more painful than 7/8 target loans.
I’m a retired cop. In 1994 I was shot with #9 birdshot from a sawed off shotgun from 17 yards. I was in the old Weaver flashlight stance, firing, and was struck in both hands, both arms and unfortunately in the face from below the nose up. Felt like a wide baseball bat hit me in the face. Both hands immediately went numb and unusable. I had some arterial bleeding from my left wrists which I covered covered with my limp ass right hand. A few seconds later blood began pouring out of my nose and down my throat. So what happened was, some of the pellets hit my forehead and flattened out on the surface of the skull. Several pellets penetrated my skull above my eyes and lodged behind my sinuses, this was the reason the blood faucet turned on. One pellet went very deep and caused a basilar skull fracture. Because I was in the weaver stance most of the damage below my head was to my left arm. I ended up with a compartment syndrome and have two massive scars. I was pretty messed up luckily there was lots of cops around because the shooter had already shot an officer, which is why my sorry ass was there and I happened to find the guy. The recovery was horrible, very painful, and I was out for two years. The compartment syndrome caused motor nerve damage to my arm and it was slow going. The sensory nerves were wide awake!!!! I have about 85% use but still have pain. Yeah I went back and did 37 years. On a positive note the pattern of the pellets on my face was amazingly lucky on my part. They hit above my eyes, down my nose, and under my right eye. One hitting between my eye and the bridge of my nose. God loves kids,fools and cops So at 17 yards, birdshot no joke. I’m sure the ammo was pretty cheap as well. My partner and I shot the guy 9 times before he fired and he died(the old 9mm rounds. A whole different story)
"You got a couple hits, here and here but overall that's more consistent with Chicago-ess style shooting where you kind of just send things and hope they don't hit a three year old."- Charlie "Charlie makes really good valid points, now..."- Garand Thumb
Not to be a pedant but the suffix is “-esque” not -ess. I also found charlie very funny. It could be the longer length but the ratio of landed quips was much higher than other videos.
@@jasonthegreat49103 Not worth the time to edit then explain why I needed to edit in the first place. I accepted that I was technically wrong, yet I'm still butthurt because I remarked that the pretentious grammar-nazi's correction was unnecessary in this forum? Sure. If you say so I guess.
Recently discovered this channel and the humour has me giggling like a child. In the hospital now, had surgery yesterday and the pain is sometimes intense. This gave me a good break from the monotony in a hospital setting. It was great with a little escape so thanks for the videos :)
It would have been cool to see the face test with ballistic eyepro. Although, as a fellow doctor in New Jersey, my medical expertise tells me that even if your eyepro kept pellets out of your eyes, the bbs would likely be able to penetrate your temporal and facial arteries and your face would be bleeding so much you'd be out of the fight because of all the blood getting in your eyes
I can believe him, i got a small cut on eyebrow and i couldnt see out of 1 eye because of the blood. I cant imagine how much blood you would lose if you have 100 little holes in your face.
@@nickloven6728 as I said, fellow doctor in New Jersey. The face is very vascular and the two arteries in your face would make that so much worse. -11/10 would be a bad day
More on bird shot please. -3.5" Gobbler loads. -3" steel in BB and #4 -Lead shot in #4 A 410 with buckshot @ 80 yards would be cool to see aswell. Good stuff guys.
The biggest issue I have is whether it's a home defender or a full barrel shotgun, is it a full choke or 1 with variable choke tubes and then if it is a 12 Ga. what size chamber/shell is being used? 2 3/4, 3" or even 3.5"... I find these all to be a bit miss leading when the shotgun is not identified, or shell size used plus wether it's a semi-auto or a pump ( we all should know that a semi has less force than a pump due to gasses being used to cycle the action) .... just my 2 cents
I’ve done a few autopsies on shotgun suicides. Even with the barrel of the gun in the mouth, a lot of the birdshot will bounce around the inside of the skull. Skull densities can vary, though. I’ve seen a 9mm, shot in through the mouth, NOT fully penetrate the skull (it was cracked pretty good, though).
@@YearsOVDecay1 adults are easy, you just have to realize it’s an empty body…the person is gone, after that it’s just a task. Dealing with kids can be sad though.
@@Yahsom do you still do that job? I'm sure shotgun suicides are quite gruesome, would you say they're the most gruesome thing you've seen with that job? If not what would be?
Next I would like to see improvised shotgun ammo tested: "cut" shells, and wax slugs made from birdshot. One of the early IV8888 videos had him and Barry discussing how old timers used to make them, it would be a nice homage. RIP Barry.
The “Chicago esc type shooting where you hope you don’t hit a three year old” and the shotgun used by sad musicians part 🤣 I love the dark humor in this video. 🤣
I love the rawness and reality of this channel, which I just discovered (about 6 vids in). My only major complaint is how often the main dude gets interrupted when he wants to make a point longer than a succinct sentence-long. For somebody who is empathetic and socially aware, it's painful to see this happen. Despite the bro-dude persona of the main guy, it's obvious that he notices being interrupted. It's just uncomfortable. Like when your houseguest doesn't take off their shoes, or when your boyfriend puts his hand on your mom's knee and your dad just grins.
I'd like to see a comparison of the impact force of the birdshot compared to say, a pro slugger with a baseball bat. If imagine the pellets that individually they don't penetrate the skull, but their collective impact is something like getting wailed on with a bat or 2x4
Dude, the mix of seriousness and Charlie is just right. Love the mix with info and slow mo, and his dumb ass. I also really enjoy your regular gun review and ballistic tests. To much of Charlie could be bad or brilliant. Time will tell.
The video editing just keeps getting better, and Charlie is just amazing and GTs reactions to Charlies actions are perfect. Best channel ive started frequenting lately.
At my PD, before we could opt to replace the shotgun with an AR, we were trained to use 00 buck at 35 yrds and in, and select a slug past that. The reason wasn’t lethality but for accurate shot placement and liability purposes. Unlike the military, we were responsible for every round fired. When I lived in Wisconsin briefly, all you could use to hunt in my county was slug. I’ve taken several deer at 120-150 yrds. The whole argument against AR-15’s is laughable when 10 rds of buck is 90 .38 cal bullets.
@@Ironpine27 I feel that Mike is entertaining enough on his own and that if he needs somebody to play off of, Micah has always been there. That, and any time that Charlie is on camera or speaks, it breaks the pacing of the video.
Seems nobody else has commented the absolute funniest Charlie moment in this vid: @16:32 "You want about a good 12" of penetra-" "It doesn't feel the same..." Immediately following up with (as Mika starts to ask "how many-") "Once." Pure Gold
Yah... But the joke about kids in Chicago getting killed from stray bullets wasn't even funny at all... Pretty sad that would even be a joke on here, I thought these guys were classy... Don't joke about little kids getting killed man, not cool Charleston
It's been awhile, (close to 50 yrs), I had a cousin from Alabama visiting - while here in Mo he wanted to go rabbit hunting. It being a Sunday, none of the stores was open, but we managed to scrounge up a dozen shells or so- some 4's, some 6's, and a couple of 8's trap loads. Our Beagles were on 1 rabbit when I saw another one along a fenceline 65 yards away. I cut down on it- and my dad chewed me out for wasting a shell. So I walked over to the fence, picked up the rabbit, carried it back to my Dad and said, "You can carry it, I was just wasting a shell"
One thing I’ve heard, is in the 1960s or so, bird shot was used in riot shotguns as “less than lethal” ammo, because of the lack of penetration. I’m not entirely sure of the validity of this but it is interesting to see the performance of birdshot here.
I saw a video of a shootout where a cop got shot by a shotgun straight to the arms and chest, and because it was birdshot he was able to draw, return fire, and secure the scene. I wouldn't really want to trust my life to birdshot
My aunt hit a home intruder with birdshot from about 15 feet and he survived to only break into her neighbors house 2 years later but he got hit with a slug in his face. Closed casket I’m afraid. Edit: the real question is how am I commenting on a video when I’m in hell hanging with my bestie Breona Taylor?
I have heard of riot police using rock salt, unfortunately all tests to date that I'm aware of have used small grain rock salt which simply disintegrates prior to leaving the barrel. But clearly bird shot would be a far less lethal option assuming you were beyond 20 yards.
This video has to be one of the funniest lately. Charlie is pure gold, his stick in a holster and a glock mags full of altoids, and trying to stuff the head into his dump pouch at the end.
Seems accurate, have a coworker who took some birdshot to the face from a hunting accident at 80 yards or so. Similar results to this, pellets got stuck just under skin. One was lodged behind eye and had to be removed about a year later when he started to have lead poisoning issues...
Coworker if mine was accidentally shot by an old timer getting up to greet him during turkey hunting. Lost a few more of the few teeth he had left (he's from VT) still has a hole in his cheek.
The video was amazing but Charlie’s deadpan dark humor just made the video even better. From his circuitous entry, to hunting with grandpa, depressed musician, third world militaries and everything in between was hilarious. I haven’t laughed that hard in a long time. Thanks guys!
Slugs can 110% be sub 2” groups at 120 yards for someone who is used to shooting slugs in either sabot rounds thru rifled barrels or rifled slugs through smooth bore. As someone who grew up only being able to use shotguns during deer season -they are very consistent and deadly 150 yards and in
Stupid question this put in my head that I'll ask openly because the internet loves that shit: Are there any shotguns that have rifled rounds made to "match" the rifling of the barrel so that it's like...doubly accurate?
I used to work in a hospital near Dekalb,Il. This guy in in late 20s broke into an elderly woman's home. She hit him with a 1oz slug from approximately 12feet. The entrance whole in his chest was a bit bigger than a half dollar. You turn him over and his scapula was gone. Needless to say, he was super dead. .
Wow. For some reason I didn't think Buckshot would have the ability to go through you at over 100 Yds. I assumed it would lose velocity from not being tightly fired like a single bullet from the barrel
I've skinned numerous deer that were killed by buckshot in the 25 to 50m range and it's not uncommon to find two or three pellets lodged just under the skin.
The buffering material around the lead pellets is to prevent deforming the pellets.That means more uniform pattern. The rule of thumb for a 20 inch barrel in improved cylinder is one inch of spread for each meter of travel.
Having been shot with bird shot from 150 yards or so multiple times while dove or upland hunting, it doesn't even hurt. You hear the impacts start to come down around you, duck your head, and it feels like someone threw a pellet at you. I had my arms crossed just last weekend while sitting down and caught a couple bb's in my arms
@@neonwhitea.1548 Yeah its not pleasant and I've taken a couple shots around that range as well. Never enough to bleed though. Its an understood reality of field hunting. The 7-8 shot of doves doesn't even hurt but a larger high brass 5 you'll definitely feel
My dad actually still has a BB or two of 7 or 8 shot in him from pheasant hunting years ago. Some idiot wasnt paying attention and he got peppered. A few broke skin and 1 or 2 went deeper and he never fished it out.
Brilliant video. The Shotgun Fallacy in video games infuriates me. They are utterly lethal out to a few metres and then turn into nerf guns beyond that. Nice to see the topic getting the hardcore science treatment. By the way, can you get female versions of those ballistic dummies, and do you know if makeup damages them at all? Im asking for a friend.
@@jimclayron417 Sure they would. The lethality of rifles would have to be turned up too though. There's a bunch of wwi games that have realistic shotguns in them that are still quite balanced but wwi games generally have one shot kills as long as the hits are solid so the difference between rifles and shotguns is mostly the likelyhood of a killing hit rather than damage.
Just like the IV8888 video, I have now watched this one multiple times. It’s about a 1 to 1… Great wealth of entertainment and scientific knowledge from G.T 👍
@26.00 minutes you’ll see a slug fully pancake on the chest and spear to bounce off!!! Like you see that pancaked slug flipping thru the air. How is this possible??? Can anyone respond and tell me this????
If you know tho.. lmk. If you don’t REALLY KNOW.. lmk (let me know, for boomers) what you THINK MAY HAVE HAPPENED IN THIS PART OF YHE VIDEO!!! Goes from 26.00 to like 26.08ish whenever it cuts to the next shot
I was shooting some Remington slugger ammunition yesterday and I found in the video that the projectile produced a small vortex, or something behind it before it smacked the steel at 50 yards. It’s cool how a 12 gauge can send a 437 grain slug faster than a 9mm
Had an older neighbor who survived getting birdshot to the face. Another neighbor thought he was stealing from them because they saw him cutting through the woods between their houses, and the two never got acquainted to know each other. He ended up losing one of his eyes, and that side of his face slumps similar to people who have strokes. Terrible stuff. 😔
I'm glad you covered this topic. Back in the late 90s and early 2000s, I was the one guy in my group who preferred a 12 gauge and had the opportunity to teach my peers how versatile the 12 gauge was through everything from bird hunting, deer and bear hunting, rabbit hunting all the way up to defense. In fact, I've taken game at 100 yards with slugs. Yes, it's further than I'd prefer since it's that much further I'd have to drag the animal, but sometimes you need that protein. Most of my shots when hunting are within 50 yards. Today I rock a Benelli m3. All I need to add is that you need to know your target, the range, and your round. For some reason folks don't want to bother with all the options that are available with a scattergun. I fell in love with the versatility at a real young age
@@joshhulst3929 I love the 870. When I turned 18 I bought an 870 Express at my local store for $250. I wish the price of firearms were still that low! I've never personally owned a 20 gauge pump, but I've owned several in break actions. My dad was old fashioned when it came to teaching me how to hunt, so he only allowed me to use a single shot during season.
@@LeverPhile both. The m3 is smooth bore with a fixed combat barrel, but I can use the pump function for low powered shells for small game and birds. For full power loads I leave it in semiautomatic. Rifled slugs do great in it as well. I use rifled barrels for my Remington and Mossberg scatterguns. I'm a really big fan of Hornady SST slugs in those.
@@LeverPhile I use smooth bore for turkeys, waterfowl, and coyotes at closer ranges. Thankfully when my grandpa bought the combo for me he requested for a cantilever rifle barrel so I’ve never had issues having to zero the scope back in. Also for slugs I’ve only ever used Hornady SST 250 grain slugs. All the deer I’ve taken with the rifling barrel have been about at 100 yards out and closer and none of them have ran more than 75 yards. Needless to say, hunterphille12 is right when it comes to the versatility of shotguns.
I have something for you to try. An old vet told me that he carried a shotgun his whole time he was in vietnam and had his dad back home mail him cases of buckshot. He said the VC would often dig concealed foxholes with covers so they could just stick their head up enough to fire out the top and were very difficult to engage. He claimed with 12 gauge buckshot he would shoot at the ground in front of their holes and the buckshot would deflect off the dirt and the travel parallel with the ground in a line of buckshot roughly the width of your pattern. This was supposedly very effective against these concealed foxholes out to about 75-100 yards he claimed.
Charlie is a treasure. Glad to see how much scienceing was done here. I was struggling to determine the scientific reasoning for the rake with a few missing tines though.
Charlie's commentary is hilarious 🤣. Garandthumb's reactions to Charlie's comments are epic funny lmao. These 2 together are brilliantly entertaining and enjoyable, oh and sciancy.
The Federal Low Recoil Slug is a lower velocity round, it would be interesting to see what the Winchester Segmenting Slug would do. Its a full 1600 FPS round that fragments into three pieces at 0-30 yards, two pieces at 30-40 yards, and stays solid over 40 yards. It does stay solid going through barriers.
The effective range of birdshot can increase dramatically when using chokes. Not to mention that bird shot comes in much bigger sizes and much higher velocities than those target loads.
@seth7131 it looked like a Federal Top Gun target load. Which only come in 7 1/2 shot or smaller. Usually 1 oz and elocity is 1145 ft/sec. I shoot those for sporting clays if I run out of reloads.
As a teen, my great grandpa got shot in the neck and head point blank by either a 410 or 20 gauge (can't remember) birdshot. He ended up being perfectly fine and lived until his 80s. He still had lead shot in his brain the day he passed. That's still pretty unbelievable to me, he was so lucky. So don't lean your loaded shotgun on the barb wire fence as you crawl under it!
This, my grandfather took a 12g 2 3/4 of 7 shot to the back of the leg at CLOSE range basically across the truck from dude loading his gun...Had a sweet scar but it didn't blow his leg off.
@@HomerEscobar1 My grandpa took a shotgun round to the back of his leg when he was 15. I don't know what kind of round it was, but it basically blew his leg off. It had to be amputated just below the knee. I remember my late great grandmother telling me that it was barely hanging on by a piece of skin. The story she told me was that they heard something outside and went to check. The person who followed behind him as they went out of the front door had the gun and somehow went off.. Sounds like a made up story.
I dunno Guts, Im saying it's pretty easy to accidentally shoot somebody while moving around simple obstacles like doors and such, especially when there is some adrenaline involved. Might be true. I wasn't even born yet when gramps took that one to his leg, but I remember very well his scar looked like a Costco paper plate size piece of salami stuck to the back of his calf 40 whatever years after it happened. Side note I have been an avid predator hunter for better than 20 years. Killed more bears/cats/dogs than I could possibly count. I am unimpressed with the stopping power of 00 buck against animals that can kill you, well let me rephrase that, IMO 00buck from a 28" barrel is a good way to get yourself killed, because with those types of animals you have to disconnect the brain from the rest of the nervous system or they won't die for 20 min or longer even while missing a lung or heart or...also I had a pellet skip off some thick brush and mortally wound my best hunting dog during a hunt so that pisses me off too.
Crossing a fence is apparently a common way to shoot yourself, in my mandatory course they taught us to not even fuck around and completely unload your weapon before you do it.
I agree, let's use Charlie as a Live Target in the next video... As i am sure, that is what you meant, and i will not be swayed All in favor say " Yoi yoi yoi yoi yoi"
As someone who's been hit with birdshot from 150ish yards, I can say that it felt like really slow airsoft bbs hitting me and is most certainly not deadly
@@INSANESUICIDE incompetent dove hunters firing straight across a small field at low flying doves, and I happened to be sitting on the other side of the field
I like the fact that Charlie is carrying candy in his magazine and even has a kydex holster for more. Also whenever he talks the thrilling music stops... glorious!
You mean the choke which is just the barrel internal dimensions of the barrel tightening in order to funnel the pellets together to ensure it stays together longer.
With slugs in rifled shotgun barrels, for the most part, 200 yards is the max vs 100 yards with a smoothbore and a rifled slug. I have regularly taken whitetail with a rifled 12 ga at 150-ish yards, and farther, using Hornady SST. They aren't the hardest hitting slugs out there, and they do have a tendency to fragment, but they are the most accurate and reliable that I have used. I developed a lot of confidence in that ammo because I know I can hit where I need to hit. If I do my job right, I empty the chest cavity of liquified lung tissue during field dress. If I had to use that gun and ammo for self defense against human assailants, I would not worry about effectiveness.
@@suddenllybah Not legally... at least in the state of Ohio which calls them "shotguns." I admit it's certainly debatable terminology. Ohio is a state that only relatively recently opened up white tail hunting to straight-walled rifle caliber cartridges. Nowadays, you can barely give away a slug gun. If I had to use rifled slugs in a smooth bore as shown in the vids here, I'd have pretty much been out of business hunting.
@@SootHead Ah, that makes sense. Legality stuff def tortures language a bit. and it's not like shotgun itself is particularly better. Shot still can be used to refer to anything that you can put into a gun/cannon. we have just decided that it refers to smoothbore guns.
@@SootHead Hello, fellow OH hunter. Thanks for the info, as 2021 was my first season and I’m still learning. All I know is that slugs out of my rifled 12 ga is like a freaking hand cannon
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The science has gotten better and so has the shotgun shells! Hahaha love your videos guys!
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You have a link to the science glasses but it doesn't work. Missing something? Or am I just that late?
NOOOOO! YOU SHOULDA GOT DOUG MARCAIDA to cameo! It will keeeeeel
Dr. Grand "Awesome" Thumb. Please have Micah zoom in more as the close ups ain't really that up close. I only watch on my phone & would like a very detailed look at the entry & exit wounds. I know those analogs are not cheap & I want them used to maximizes viewing potential!
Love you guys much & thx for all the humorous stuff you guys do.
Mike trying to not burst into laughter when he listed "sad musicians" was pretty fantastic.
My jaw dropped then I gave him props😂
I absolutely lost it.
I had to rewatch to make sure I heard him right then lost it whenI realized I did
That could a been the end of the video, and I would have felt like I got more than I paid for...
I enjoyed the dry dark humor here. And the slugs
Charlie: “Shotguns are pretty diverse; they’re used by breachers, duck hunters, and sad musicians everywhere”
Garandthumb: •_•
he tried so hard not to laugh at that
You could see his eyebrows raised from behind the pit vipers💀💀💀
Was that a Kurt Cobain reference I just picked up?😬
@@vitorf2918 right I love the face he made when he said it 😂🤣 I immediately was like bruh lmao
@@vitorf2918 Kurt cobain and this one black metal musician. They used the picture of his blown off head for an album cover and supposedly ate his brains and gave pieces of his skull as gifts.
Charlie is killin it lol.
He’s got the breathing, the confused look, stumbling, bumbling, the glasses push, the random look around and tool touch… it’s so perfect.
Fr)
I saw his belt and the Altoids and thought, where are the Skittles XD
There’s a lot of instructors who can throw some goood humor into things but halfway through I realize I’m a pretty occasional garland thumb viewer and appreciate his humor but I don’t know this other guy on the video I just hope he’s doing more than just open mics with his comedy.
Sooo....Charlie's autistic?
He is still more competent than the president
Back in the 00’s, a pheasant hunting preserve was trying to open up in Wasco Co, Oregon. Some of the neighbors objected on the basis that they didn’t want the bird shot crossing their property lines and killing their family. So the business in question staged a demonstration in which they actually shot an employee at a range of 100 yards or so, and showed that he was unharmed beyond maybe some bruising.
thats crazy😂😂😂
How much in hazard pay did the employee get that paycheck period?
I was born and raised in Josephine county Oregon and this is definitely believable coming outta Wasco 😂
Watching this video the whole time I was thinking I’m surprised one of them isn’t taking one for the team lol. Shit I’d do it to hangout with them😂
“Shotguns are pretty diverse; they’re used by breachers, duck hunters, and sad musicians everywhere” Best line in the video, keep up the great content Dr. Thumb!
I laughed so loud when he said that, my neighbors heard it.
GT's face after he said it made it all the better
Sing distinctly, we don’t wanna.
Just Buy our album, ‘cause we’re nirvana…
I can't believe he snuck that one in! OOF.
Courtney had him killed, watch white wash documentary. I'd kill myself if I was married to her, but if he divorced her, she wouldn't have made His millions..you know, hole..her shitty band, that's her soul.
Charlie: “it’s used by breachers, duck hunters, sad musicians..”
Garand thumb: *Almost breaks characters*
Came here to say this that shit was golden
WA is pain.
He’s not really in character is he?
Kurt cobang
That moment when you realize that wasn’t scripted 😂
It woul be interesting to see you relive this test with game loads alone. "Birdshot" is typically 7/8 shot, there's also 5/6. Then getting into duck loads of 2,3&4 shot or seriously hard hitting goose loads like BB, BB2, T. In 3 or 3 1/2 inch mag loads would give people a different outlook on what "birdshot" can do.
I agree here
Totally right
Agreed. Do you know what size of shot this was? Or an estimation?
@mason 100% agreed. (ER / ICU ex- Military MD here). There are a ZILLION variables in this context, and (Sadly enough..) I've seen countless / different injuries from similar shotgun payloads + similar distances.
Agree here to. Number 4 shot hunting would be lethal for home defense. I saw another video of a guy showing what different hunting bird shot does around 20 to 30 ft distance against a pig torso. It shredded it at that range
As someone who has survived birdshot at point-blank range, it's still life changing and horrifically painful for years and years.... Don't underestimate that junk.
Sorry you had to experience that :(
Why did you get shot? What where you doing
they leave some of those tiny pellets in if they cant remove them all correct?
Christopher Sparkman, a U.S. Army veteran, is the security guard who was working at the Kennesaw FedEx facility when an employee opened fire on April 29, 2014
Thank you for your service. Sorry you had to endure that man.
Dr. Garand Thumb,
I am a military historian and watching this video has reminded me of an ammunition load from the American Civil War.
Because both sides were low on rifled muskets at the start, many of them were using .69 (nice) caliber smoothbore muskets. One of the popular cartridges for this weapon was called the "buck and ball" load. This would be the .69 caliber ball with three buckshot loaded on top.
The accounts we have describe these loads as being particularly devastating within 80 yards.
I was wondering if you would do a "historical" science episode on this load.
Winchester had a few of these loads for home defense for their PDX1 line. One rifled slug with 3 00 pellets behind it.
The performance was disappointing. Might as well used either a rifled slug alone to prevent stray bbs, 00 buck if you need the spread, or just a straight up rifle instead.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a legitimate ballistic test of muskets. Only ever saw them fired just for the fun of it. I would love to see just how accurate they actually are or probably aren’t
absolutely nobody cares, dude; those confederate & union troops would have MUCH preferred a better rifle =/
@@LIONTAMER3D I think you don't understand the point. The point is that they had to make do before they got the better rifles. Smooth bore muskets were essentially gone by the second year of the war.
The point is that even with the inadequate weapons, there were some devastating innovations they made and it would be interesting to see those innovations tested with modern science.
Mike is not really a scientist, or historian, he's not even human, he is what's known as A Kutchtikah, from alaskan myth, he will dress up like an old lady, and lure you into the woods, then make you comb his hair...Forever!, oh and he takes your soul
The "I went hunting with grandpa but he was hunting grandma" bit kills me every time
That's what grandma said.
@@ihcterra4625 😂😂
“And she's fine.”
“He gets to come home soon”
It would be interesting to see #1 and #4 buckshot results. A lot of the home defense community worries about over penetration indoors, so options other than 00 buck are interesting.
#4 Buckshot is very devastating, especially in "magnum" loads. Lots more
pellets than 00 Buck, still plenty of weight and a better "spread".
I have #5 turkey loads nitro mag in my 870 tactical for home defense
@@chrishush9963cool, I mostly rely on being a double hard bastard with fists like bricks. That and I've nothing worth stealing
@@chrishush9963 I use federal 2 3/4" #4 turkey loads in my mossberg 835 for home defense.
Charlie is one of the most effortlessly funny dudes that I've ever seen. It is 1000 times more impressive when you see him being serious.
Yeah sure
@@MG-lh5tw a character.
I dont play video games but when i’m on call of duty….
I have to disagree if you're talking about the ginger. He's annoying and I wish he'd shut up.
@@KeepTheGates Come on now mate, I’m not even a bloody Yank and that’s funny as f#ck!
Garand Thumb is such a hero answering the questions we were all asking ourselves but that no one would answer
That's been answered already a few years ago by Matt over at Demoranch
"If you ever got tired of driving on the freeway seeing cringe punisher, we the people, 1776, 3%, molan laab, n snek don't tread sticker right next to a blue line sticker(makes no sense) talking about holding the line, when in reality that line keeps getting pushed back go ahead and hit that like button"
If you ever had a pro-2A boomer tell you, "Ya don't need an AR15 or high capacity clip for home defense", go ahead and subscribe.
@@andreivaldez2929 I am a pro-2A boomer and I would tell you that you need multiple AR15s and multiple normal capacity (30rnds) magazines.
Don't snek on muh fat family. Where is the Sonic?
(These guys are my arsenal).
Micah: "I got a question"
Charlie: "Once"
I hope more people caught that 😂😂😂
Fancy seeing you here.
Dude. Im not a fan of his humor, but that killed me
Not surprised Kevin watches Garand Thumb
Can someone explain?
@@af7119 yeah bro idk either 😩
Years ago, I worked a gun shot victim, shot at pretty close range, with a 12 Guage. He was conscious, his tongue was swelling out of his mouth, and my partner and I were able to intubate him before his airway closed off and he lost consciousness. When we arrived, he was lying in a floor and trying to scream. We kind of gathered "they burn, get them out".
We were able to get him on a helicopter and to the right facility. He did survive.
The crazy thing is, his brother shot him over breaking into his trailer for drugs. So we were told. Also, he was one of 13 siblings, one of which I had been friends with for years. It's difficult to work EMS anywhere but in a county that you grew up in and know many people, there are a lot of bad days.
I just love when Charlie says sad musicians, u can see Garand holding his laughter in, at 4:13
*looks at camera*
*HMMMMM*
That line had me dying from laughter
Hahaha that was hilarious 🤣
Holy shit was that dark. I love it!
@@collinb.8542 he 100% pissed his pants as soon as the take was over
Its good to see that Charlie gets to exercise his genius and talents with other like-minded individuals of his proclivities. His use of the spoken word, and his ability to find the correct tool for the job, really does make him the standout amongst all gun-tube. We should all truly wish we had a little Charlie in us.
Or a lot...
That sounds like rape
So do America!
fact check for Charlie - the ballistic dummy also lacks nipples, which is pertinent
The Dwight/Dahmer/Dynamite energy that Charlie brings to the table is nothing short of comedic genius.
I definitely get the feeling he could dance funny to "catch me I'm falling".
He tries too hard. No.
No joke, the sound design on the slow-mo parts is genius. Sounds perfectly matching what's happening.
Well done.
The addition of Charlie for the science episodes was genius. He brings so much legitimacy to the entire scientific process. All the great ones have small tics and neurocies and Charlie is no exception. He adds gravity to the postulates of Garand Thumb and I am honored to be able to watch.
From the institute of science institutes
on the other hand Squire Charlie has a lot of difficulty using his head (blocking sunlight and view). i recommend he have that particular head removed and replaced with a nice Plexiglas box shelf for future videos. as to the voice, i recommend a digital carl sagan in keeping with your science motif.
neuroses
@@cholesterol6703 damnit
Charlie really knows his stuff. Glad he’s on board to help clarify scientific analysis
hes the best
"This is just one muscular-esq body, most people avoid the gym... so if you can imagine a body the size of my ex-girlfriend"
Hahah
Screw a network budget. We need a demonetized youtuber to answer the REAL questions these days
Dude gets plenty of cash for his demonetized channel, tho.. neat, huh?
the science channel is real
@@camojoe83 sponsored
@what now lol
I only came here because i thought that was Kentucky Ballistics in the thumbnail, like everything, Mike tells us, it was just a bunch of smoke and mirrors, turns out, it's not Scott..It's some normie, named Charlie, if you ask me, i don't trust em, Charlie...bamboo, Ho Chi Minh, and look at that fuckin moostaschio... i rest my case..
At 25:15… you found out what I found out.
I was about 30 years old at the time.
In an altercation I was shot in the leg at about 5 yards with a 20 gauge. Steel shot, I consider myself lucky at that as I am in my mid 50s now, and still have shot in my leg, lead poisoning. I took it in my right leg outer thigh, and it wiped out a good 5” swath of skin, muscle, nerves, whatever was there ended up on the wall behind me. I got really lucky and wasn’t hit again.
But yeah, bird shot, 5 yards, the pattern is tight enough to carry the energy. Bad news.
I keep my shotty loaded with #1 buck. You get the same energy, twice the pellets.
Typically lead bullets won’t give you lead poisoning. That comes from ingesting lead. I work in an ER and docs don’t remove bullets unless absolutely necessary.
Jesus. If you don't mind sharing, can I ask what the altercation was about? I imagine it has to be pretty serious for someone to pull a shotgun on you.. Glad you avoided the worst of it regardless.
It's a good thing that Charlie has such positive roll models around. God knows what he'd be up to without you there. Keep up the amazing work.
He would be a Chicago gang member by now
This comment aged well 😂
The restraint of garand thumb after Charlie talked about the versatility of shotguns is gold!
I was actually surprised the 00B went clean through at distance. Yeah the pellets were far and wide but if you dump 7 rounds in rapid succession that's 63 .30 caliber balls flying at the problem.
Would you say then that 00B is a "problem solver"?
@@BadazzShovelhead I like it. I've shot pigs with it through some pretty thick brush out to 25-30 yards and dropped them.
Just buy the police load and tune your shotgun to it. Problems solved.
The musket never whent away, we just call em shotguns
My favourite load out here in Australia is a 42gr BB through an Extra Full choke, has killing power def out to 50m (170ft). I don't like the OOSG's as with our smaller game, the pattern has to many windows and the animals seem to be able to Neo through it.
This test is very interesting and not to sound picky. There are multiple sizes of buck and multiple sizes of birdshot that could have created more gradually effective ranges. There is an "art" to shotgun shooting and selecting the proper shot size for a given task
I think you could easily relive this test with game loads alone. "Birdshot" is typically 7/8 shot, there's also 5/6. Then getting into duck loads of 2,3&4 shot or seriously hard hitting goose loads like BB, BB2, T. In 3 or 3 1/2 inch mag loads would give people a different outlook on what "birdshot" can do.
Even the "bird shot" at 50 yds, while not deadly, or even seriously damaging, would help you remember that you left the oven on. 🤔 gotta go.
@masoncampos7043 well I have the duck loads lying around but not the ballistics gell to test them on. I'd imagine my bismuth 2 shot is more painful than 7/8 target loans.
I’m a retired cop. In 1994 I was shot with #9 birdshot from a sawed off shotgun from 17 yards.
I was in the old Weaver flashlight stance, firing, and was struck in both hands, both arms and unfortunately in the face from below the nose up.
Felt like a wide baseball bat hit me in the face. Both hands immediately went numb and unusable. I had some arterial bleeding from my left wrists which I covered covered with my limp ass right hand. A few seconds later blood began pouring out of my nose and down my throat.
So what happened was, some of the pellets hit my forehead and flattened out on the surface of the skull. Several pellets penetrated my skull above my eyes and lodged behind my sinuses, this was the reason the blood faucet turned on. One pellet went very deep and caused a basilar skull fracture. Because I was in the weaver stance most of the damage below my head was to my left arm. I ended up with a compartment syndrome and have two massive scars.
I was pretty messed up luckily there was lots of cops around because the shooter had already shot an officer, which is why my sorry ass was there and I happened to find the guy.
The recovery was horrible, very painful, and I was out for two years. The compartment syndrome caused motor nerve damage to my arm and it was slow going. The sensory nerves were wide awake!!!! I have about 85% use but still have pain. Yeah I went back and did 37 years. On a positive note the pattern of the pellets on my face was amazingly lucky on my part. They hit above my eyes, down my nose, and under my right eye. One hitting between my eye and the bridge of my nose. God loves kids,fools and cops
So at 17 yards, birdshot no joke. I’m sure the ammo was pretty cheap as well. My partner and I shot the guy 9 times before he fired and he died(the old 9mm rounds. A whole different story)
Ouch …. way to hang tuff dude ! Glad ya hung in there 👊🏼
@@Cptkarma6 Hey thanks. Yesterday was the anniversary.
Bit late to this but damn, man. Glad you’re around to write about it.
@@TheGreatHotDogConsumer Hey thanks.
Did you ever have any scenerio like that since or was it peaceful until you retired?
Exotic ammo options such as dragons breath and or flechette rounds at the ballistics dummies is something I'd love to see in a future video.
Those are meme rounds.
@@johnjay1147 yeah and? Shoot them at the dummies for the memes
@@johnjay1147 That would make it even more fun to watch.
Some bolo rounds would be sick too
@@johnjay1147 The garand thumb channel is a meme at this point
"You got a couple hits, here and here but overall that's more consistent with Chicago-ess style shooting where you kind of just send things and hope they don't hit a three year old."- Charlie "Charlie makes really good valid points, now..."- Garand Thumb
Not to be a pedant but the suffix is “-esque” not -ess. I also found charlie very funny. It could be the longer length but the ratio of landed quips was much higher than other videos.
@@MRCOLOURfilld Mate, it's a TH-cam comment not a legal binding document. Yes, you're right but it wasn't worth the time to edit
Not worth the time to edit, but totally worth the time to type out a butthurt reply.
@@jasonthegreat49103 Not worth the time to edit then explain why I needed to edit in the first place. I accepted that I was technically wrong, yet I'm still butthurt because I remarked that the pretentious grammar-nazi's correction was unnecessary in this forum? Sure. If you say so I guess.
Charlie is disturbingly low key brilliant.
He empirically adds 420.69% more laughs to every video he's in
His character is so my type of humor
"Shotguns are used by sad musicians" had me dying
Fucking LOVE Charlie
He's disturbingly low-key
Recently discovered this channel and the humour has me giggling like a child. In the hospital now, had surgery yesterday and the pain is sometimes intense. This gave me a good break from the monotony in a hospital setting. It was great with a little escape so thanks for the videos :)
Get well soon
Hope recovery is going well for you too@@punctatus3285
It would have been cool to see the face test with ballistic eyepro. Although, as a fellow doctor in New Jersey, my medical expertise tells me that even if your eyepro kept pellets out of your eyes, the bbs would likely be able to penetrate your temporal and facial arteries and your face would be bleeding so much you'd be out of the fight because of all the blood getting in your eyes
But all that metal in your face will make bulletproof armor that can save you from any other shots.
And that's assuming that the individual in question is so badass they don't don't tail and run after being shot in the face
@@adabsurdum5905 fair. Just watching the slow mo impacts I can’t imagine not being like “NOPE I’m fucking done. Fuck this”
I can believe him, i got a small cut on eyebrow and i couldnt see out of 1 eye because of the blood. I cant imagine how much blood you would lose if you have 100 little holes in your face.
@@nickloven6728 as I said, fellow doctor in New Jersey. The face is very vascular and the two arteries in your face would make that so much worse. -11/10 would be a bad day
More on bird shot please.
-3.5" Gobbler loads.
-3" steel in BB and #4
-Lead shot in #4
A 410 with buckshot @ 80 yards would be cool to see aswell.
Good stuff guys.
BIG YES, especially the .410 loads at range.
Bigger bird shot like steel 1s and BB would be interesting.
tungsten turkey loads
The biggest issue I have is whether it's a home defender or a full barrel shotgun, is it a full choke or 1 with variable choke tubes and then if it is a 12 Ga. what size chamber/shell is being used? 2 3/4, 3" or even 3.5"... I find these all to be a bit miss leading when the shotgun is not identified, or shell size used plus wether it's a semi-auto or a pump ( we all should know that a semi has less force than a pump due to gasses being used to cycle the action) .... just my 2 cents
@@brettnipps7205
Agreed. So many variables.
I’ve done a few autopsies on shotgun suicides. Even with the barrel of the gun in the mouth, a lot of the birdshot will bounce around the inside of the skull. Skull densities can vary, though. I’ve seen a 9mm, shot in through the mouth, NOT fully penetrate the skull (it was cracked pretty good, though).
Wow. I could not do your job. How does seeing shit like that not screw you up man?
@@YearsOVDecay1 adults are easy, you just have to realize it’s an empty body…the person is gone, after that it’s just a task. Dealing with kids can be sad though.
@@Yahsom you got kids big dawg?
@@josheh_. I have foster children
@@Yahsom do you still do that job? I'm sure shotgun suicides are quite gruesome, would you say they're the most gruesome thing you've seen with that job? If not what would be?
Pretty much lines up with what I imagined after shooting shotguns over the years. I have to tell you this video gave me chills.
Remember to aim down sights to tighten the spread
Next I would like to see improvised shotgun ammo tested: "cut" shells, and wax slugs made from birdshot. One of the early IV8888 videos had him and Barry discussing how old timers used to make them, it would be a nice homage. RIP Barry.
Yeah!! Cut shells
@GambleSTARS I make them already for myself
TH-cam doesn't allow that kind of stuff anymore. Demoranch grew his channel doing videos like those and had to take them all down
The channel you're looking for is Taofledermaus
Please!
The “Chicago esc type shooting where you hope you don’t hit a three year old” and the shotgun used by sad musicians part 🤣 I love the dark humor in this video. 🤣
"Yeah you can blow the back out" too
I love the rawness and reality of this channel, which I just discovered (about 6 vids in). My only major complaint is how often the main dude gets interrupted when he wants to make a point longer than a succinct sentence-long.
For somebody who is empathetic and socially aware, it's painful to see this happen. Despite the bro-dude persona of the main guy, it's obvious that he notices being interrupted.
It's just uncomfortable. Like when your houseguest doesn't take off their shoes, or when your boyfriend puts his hand on your mom's knee and your dad just grins.
The birdshot is basically a slug at 5yds but at 10 the amount of muscle separation and concussive effect that showed had to be lights out.
Videogame shotguns must use birdshot
@@darthvader7684 genius
Lacrimosa is the perfect song to watch shotguns and Altoids.
@@darthvader7684 Days Gone feels pretty accurate with buckshot or something there abouts.
Fallout 4, shotguns are almost pointless unfortunately.
I'd like to see a comparison of the impact force of the birdshot compared to say, a pro slugger with a baseball bat.
If imagine the pellets that individually they don't penetrate the skull, but their collective impact is something like getting wailed on with a bat or 2x4
Dude, the mix of seriousness and Charlie is just right. Love the mix with info and slow mo, and his dumb ass. I also really enjoy your regular gun review and ballistic tests. To much of Charlie could be bad or brilliant. Time will tell.
Word..funny, just don’t overdo it.
Charlie needs his own sub-channel
The way Charlie is acting like a new apprentice on sight is brilliant, had me pissing my sides laughing 😂
Minute 7:20 “Charlie makes really good valid points” 😂
The video editing just keeps getting better, and Charlie is just amazing and GTs reactions to Charlies actions are perfect.
Best channel ive started frequenting lately.
sound engineer needs to tone it down
These results are surprisingly similar to the stated effective ranges taught in the military for the M4 shotgun - 40m for buck and 120m for slug.
That's not at all surprising. Do you think they just guessed?
@@Centermass762 You've never been in the British Army, have you?
No, sir, I have not. 😆
@@PaddyInf TBF, you didn't specify it was the British military making the claim.
How do you land a slug on target through a 18inch barrel shotgun?
Charlie is a fantastic addition. I hope he gets his certification.
Well, he did drop out of medical school. I mean, why not.
Hey. He earned his white lab coat so that counts for something right?
At my PD, before we could opt to replace the shotgun with an AR, we were trained to use 00 buck at 35 yrds and in, and select a slug past that. The reason wasn’t lethality but for accurate shot placement and liability purposes. Unlike the military, we were responsible for every round fired. When I lived in Wisconsin briefly, all you could use to hunt in my county was slug. I’ve taken several deer at 120-150 yrds. The whole argument against AR-15’s is laughable when 10 rds of buck is 90 .38 cal bullets.
Charlie is hilarious, he fits right in with the rest of you. Would love to keep seeing him on the show!
Hard pass
@@classicbandgeek Wdym his awkwardness is hilarious lmao
yes please
@@Ironpine27 I feel that Mike is entertaining enough on his own and that if he needs somebody to play off of, Micah has always been there. That, and any time that Charlie is on camera or speaks, it breaks the pacing of the video.
@@classicbandgeek Please tell me you know he's acting and not doing it to fuck up the beloved pacing you enjoy and can't seem to live without?
Cameraman: "I got a question..."
Charlie: "Once."
Also, Garand says "Now, I wanna try the head next..." *Charlie takes a knee*
Charlie is a gem.
timestamp pls
@@thedragonofcanada6659 18:38
Seems nobody else has commented the absolute funniest Charlie moment in this vid:
@16:32 "You want about a good 12" of penetra-" "It doesn't feel the same..." Immediately following up with (as Mika starts to ask "how many-") "Once."
Pure Gold
Yah...
But the joke about kids in Chicago getting killed from stray bullets wasn't even funny at all...
Pretty sad that would even be a joke on here, I thought these guys were classy...
Don't joke about little kids getting killed man, not cool Charleston
@@ajcook7777 it’s dark humor but it is funny
@@ajcook7777 no it's funny
@@ajcook7777 How to tell someone you don't understand humour without saying that you don't understand humour. Carry on, Karen.
I don’t get it lol
It's been awhile, (close to 50 yrs), I had a cousin from Alabama visiting - while here in Mo he wanted to go rabbit hunting. It being a Sunday, none of the stores was open, but we managed to scrounge up a dozen shells or so- some 4's, some 6's, and a couple of 8's trap loads.
Our Beagles were on 1 rabbit when I saw another one along a fenceline 65 yards away. I cut down on it- and my dad chewed me out for wasting a shell. So I walked over to the fence, picked up the rabbit, carried it back to my Dad and said, "You can carry it, I was just wasting a shell"
“Ballistic gel isnt quite a human body.”
Charlie: it doesn’t feel the same 😏
“I got a question”
Charlie: “Once”
Charlie is actually a genius addition to the channel; the perfect blend of awkward antagonist and surreal assistant.
( *squire* , I mean.)
One thing I’ve heard, is in the 1960s or so, bird shot was used in riot shotguns as “less than lethal” ammo, because of the lack of penetration. I’m not entirely sure of the validity of this but it is interesting to see the performance of birdshot here.
I’ve also heard that.
Ask Harry Whittington
I saw a video of a shootout where a cop got shot by a shotgun straight to the arms and chest, and because it was birdshot he was able to draw, return fire, and secure the scene. I wouldn't really want to trust my life to birdshot
My aunt hit a home intruder with birdshot from about 15 feet and he survived to only break into her neighbors house 2 years later but he got hit with a slug in his face. Closed casket I’m afraid.
Edit: the real question is how am I commenting on a video when I’m in hell hanging with my bestie Breona Taylor?
I have heard of riot police using rock salt, unfortunately all tests to date that I'm aware of have used small grain rock salt which simply disintegrates prior to leaving the barrel. But clearly bird shot would be a far less lethal option assuming you were beyond 20 yards.
Nothing has ever made me happier on TH-cam than starting this video and seeing a shotgun that very closely resembles my same setup... I did good...
This video has to be one of the funniest lately. Charlie is pure gold, his stick in a holster and a glock mags full of altoids, and trying to stuff the head into his dump pouch at the end.
Seems accurate, have a coworker who took some birdshot to the face from a hunting accident at 80 yards or so. Similar results to this, pellets got stuck just under skin. One was lodged behind eye and had to be removed about a year later when he started to have lead poisoning issues...
Damn your coworker just had lead behind his eye and just didn’t care
Jesus
@@echo3568 sometimes removing it is more dangerous than leaving it
remember when dick cheney blasted a guy in the face with a turkey gun?
Coworker if mine was accidentally shot by an old timer getting up to greet him during turkey hunting. Lost a few more of the few teeth he had left (he's from VT) still has a hole in his cheek.
The video was amazing but Charlie’s deadpan dark humor just made the video even better. From his circuitous entry, to hunting with grandpa, depressed musician, third world militaries and everything in between was hilarious. I haven’t laughed that hard in a long time. Thanks guys!
Don't forget the Chicago spray and pray (you don't hit a 3 year old).
“You said the bodies.”
The fact that the 00 buck pellet almost went all the through at that range is a little terrifying lol
Slugs can 110% be sub 2” groups at 120 yards for someone who is used to shooting slugs in either sabot rounds thru rifled barrels or rifled slugs through smooth bore. As someone who grew up only being able to use shotguns during deer season -they are very consistent and deadly 150 yards and in
Stupid question this put in my head that I'll ask openly because the internet loves that shit:
Are there any shotguns that have rifled rounds made to "match" the rifling of the barrel so that it's like...doubly accurate?
@@Taima
Most shotguns are smooth bore, no rifling.
@@Taima yes they make some. Savage 220 I believe is one. A lot of public hunters will use them if allowed.
It’s a rifled barrel though too not smooth bore
I used to work in a hospital near Dekalb,Il. This guy in in late 20s broke into an elderly woman's home. She hit him with a 1oz slug from approximately 12feet. The entrance whole in his chest was a bit bigger than a half dollar. You turn him over and his scapula was gone. Needless to say, he was super dead. .
Go granny go.
Old school KOOL
Sucks to suck lmao
“Used by breachers, duck hunters and sad musicians”. 😆
Hilarious. Garandthumb is trying not to laugh right after that. 😂
Garand trying to stay in character so hard. :D
So we learnt that shotguns are best used at Cobain distance 👍
I lost it on that one. Lmao
Bro I was taken so off guard by that😂
“Is this real Charlie?”
“No… We talked about that.”
😂😂😂
Wow. For some reason I didn't think Buckshot would have the ability to go through you at over 100 Yds. I assumed it would lose velocity from not being tightly fired like a single bullet from the barrel
I've skinned numerous deer that were killed by buckshot in the 25 to 50m range and it's not uncommon to find two or three pellets lodged just under the skin.
The buffer. The buffer is, and the shot is in front of that. So technically the same energy from the buffer is transferred to the shot.
You play video games?
The buffering material around the lead pellets is to prevent deforming the pellets.That means more uniform pattern. The rule of thumb for a 20 inch barrel in improved cylinder is one inch of spread for each meter of travel.
@@rockbutcher Which side? Near or far side?
Having been shot with bird shot from 150 yards or so multiple times while dove or upland hunting, it doesn't even hurt. You hear the impacts start to come down around you, duck your head, and it feels like someone threw a pellet at you. I had my arms crossed just last weekend while sitting down and caught a couple bb's in my arms
I’ve been shot at like 75-100 yards blocking for pheasants and that did hurt, felt like an air soft bb to the skin, didn’t break the skin though
@@neonwhitea.1548 Yeah its not pleasant and I've taken a couple shots around that range as well. Never enough to bleed though. Its an understood reality of field hunting. The 7-8 shot of doves doesn't even hurt but a larger high brass 5 you'll definitely feel
@@jakerrush there’s a reason we wear eye protection haha
Never go bird hunting if you know Dick Cheney will be in the woods.
My dad actually still has a BB or two of 7 or 8 shot in him from pheasant hunting years ago. Some idiot wasnt paying attention and he got peppered. A few broke skin and 1 or 2 went deeper and he never fished it out.
Brilliant video. The Shotgun Fallacy in video games infuriates me. They are utterly lethal out to a few metres and then turn into nerf guns beyond that. Nice to see the topic getting the hardcore science treatment. By the way, can you get female versions of those ballistic dummies, and do you know if makeup damages them at all? Im asking for a friend.
The only game I've played with practical / realistic shotguns is a Roblox game funnily enough.
Yea but if shotguns were realistic in video games they would not be balanced.
@@jimclayron417
Sure they would. The lethality of rifles would have to be turned up too though. There's a bunch of wwi games that have realistic shotguns in them that are still quite balanced but wwi games generally have one shot kills as long as the hits are solid so the difference between rifles and shotguns is mostly the likelyhood of a killing hit rather than damage.
Try Insurgency Sandstorm! The shotguns in that game are the real deal 👌🏽
@@CtrlAltRetreat for them to be balanced everything has to be like 1-2 shots to kill or something
Just like the IV8888 video, I have now watched this one multiple times. It’s about a 1 to 1…
Great wealth of entertainment and scientific knowledge from G.T 👍
"It's like Chicago style, where you just send it out and hope you don't hit a 3 year old."
Man doesn't pull his punches lol
"When would you be dead from this?"
Charlie: "I think right after it happens" I'm wiping my eyes. God that was perfect!
The fact that Clint Smith hasn't been on for a shotgun science video yet is a tragedy that knows no bounds.
Shovels n buckets
Would love to see improvised shotgun rounds, cut shells, wax slugs, wax turkey loads maybe. Thanks for the content..
@26.00 minutes you’ll see a slug fully pancake on the chest and spear to bounce off!!! Like you see that pancaked slug flipping thru the air. How is this possible??? Can anyone respond and tell me this????
You were the most recent to watch this old ass video so I figure it was my best shot at people seeing this and replying lol
If you know tho.. lmk. If you don’t REALLY KNOW.. lmk (let me know, for boomers) what you THINK MAY HAVE HAPPENED IN THIS PART OF YHE VIDEO!!! Goes from 26.00 to like 26.08ish whenever it cuts to the next shot
Can we all just admire the mag full of earplugs carried by Charlie?? We need more people like Charlie.
Monty Python isn't doing stuff anymore. Charlie can do it!
I’m certain those are altoids lol
@@dariandurden8593 definitely are 😂
Those were Aspirin tablets 😂
@@dariandurden8593 No kidding!! That's funny AF!!!
I was shooting some Remington slugger ammunition yesterday and I found in the video that the projectile produced a small vortex, or something behind it before it smacked the steel at 50 yards. It’s cool how a 12 gauge can send a 437 grain slug faster than a 9mm
Slugs have some serious power behind them. It's like delivering a sledgehammer blow from a distance.
Love it. Not only are the gun tests awesome... the humor of the these two guys is off the chart
Had an older neighbor who survived getting birdshot to the face. Another neighbor thought he was stealing from them because they saw him cutting through the woods between their houses, and the two never got acquainted to know each other. He ended up losing one of his eyes, and that side of his face slumps similar to people who have strokes. Terrible stuff. 😔
That 5 yard birdshot slow motion was easily the best shot you’ve recorded during this whole science series 🤔🤯🤯🤯
That expansion was...eye opening.
@@Jeff.78 🤣😂
Anyone else hear "meat from bone" in Clint Smith's voice ?
Especially with the Hitman ish music in the background, love it!
I'm glad you covered this topic. Back in the late 90s and early 2000s, I was the one guy in my group who preferred a 12 gauge and had the opportunity to teach my peers how versatile the 12 gauge was through everything from bird hunting, deer and bear hunting, rabbit hunting all the way up to defense. In fact, I've taken game at 100 yards with slugs. Yes, it's further than I'd prefer since it's that much further I'd have to drag the animal, but sometimes you need that protein. Most of my shots when hunting are within 50 yards. Today I rock a Benelli m3. All I need to add is that you need to know your target, the range, and your round. For some reason folks don't want to bother with all the options that are available with a scattergun. I fell in love with the versatility at a real young age
Agreed! I’ve killed deer, multiple turkeys, and waterfowl all with my 20 gauge Model 870.
Are you guys using a smooth bore or rifled barrel with the slugs?
@@joshhulst3929 I love the 870. When I turned 18 I bought an 870 Express at my local store for $250. I wish the price of firearms were still that low! I've never personally owned a 20 gauge pump, but I've owned several in break actions. My dad was old fashioned when it came to teaching me how to hunt, so he only allowed me to use a single shot during season.
@@LeverPhile both. The m3 is smooth bore with a fixed combat barrel, but I can use the pump function for low powered shells for small game and birds. For full power loads I leave it in semiautomatic. Rifled slugs do great in it as well. I use rifled barrels for my Remington and Mossberg scatterguns. I'm a really big fan of Hornady SST slugs in those.
@@LeverPhile I use smooth bore for turkeys, waterfowl, and coyotes at closer ranges. Thankfully when my grandpa bought the combo for me he requested for a cantilever rifle barrel so I’ve never had issues having to zero the scope back in. Also for slugs I’ve only ever used Hornady SST 250 grain slugs. All the deer I’ve taken with the rifling barrel have been about at 100 yards out and closer and none of them have ran more than 75 yards. Needless to say, hunterphille12 is right when it comes to the versatility of shotguns.
Charlie is the man!
"Chicago-esque shooting where you sort of just send things and hope you don't hit a 3 year old"
I have something for you to try. An old vet told me that he carried a shotgun his whole time he was in vietnam and had his dad back home mail him cases of buckshot. He said the VC would often dig concealed foxholes with covers so they could just stick their head up enough to fire out the top and were very difficult to engage. He claimed with 12 gauge buckshot he would shoot at the ground in front of their holes and the buckshot would deflect off the dirt and the travel parallel with the ground in a line of buckshot roughly the width of your pattern. This was supposedly very effective against these concealed foxholes out to about 75-100 yards he claimed.
Charlie is a treasure. Glad to see how much scienceing was done here. I was struggling to determine the scientific reasoning for the rake with a few missing tines though.
Any respectable scientist always keeps a good rake on hand
Charlie's commentary is hilarious 🤣.
Garandthumb's reactions to Charlie's comments are epic funny lmao. These 2 together are brilliantly entertaining and enjoyable, oh and sciancy.
A little bit like Martin and Lewis kind of humor.
The Federal Low Recoil Slug is a lower velocity round, it would be interesting to see what the Winchester Segmenting Slug would do. Its a full 1600 FPS round that fragments into three pieces at 0-30 yards, two pieces at 30-40 yards, and stays solid over 40 yards. It does stay solid going through barriers.
The effective range of birdshot can increase dramatically when using chokes. Not to mention that bird shot comes in much bigger sizes and much higher velocities than those target loads.
Do you know what size of shot this was?
@seth7131 it looked like a Federal Top Gun target load. Which only come in 7 1/2 shot or smaller. Usually 1 oz and elocity is 1145 ft/sec.
I shoot those for sporting clays if I run out of reloads.
As a teen, my great grandpa got shot in the neck and head point blank by either a 410 or 20 gauge (can't remember) birdshot. He ended up being perfectly fine and lived until his 80s. He still had lead shot in his brain the day he passed. That's still pretty unbelievable to me, he was so lucky. So don't lean your loaded shotgun on the barb wire fence as you crawl under it!
This, my grandfather took a 12g 2 3/4 of 7 shot to the back of the leg at CLOSE range basically across the truck from dude loading his gun...Had a sweet scar but it didn't blow his leg off.
@@HomerEscobar1 My grandpa took a shotgun round to the back of his leg when he was 15. I don't know what kind of round it was, but it basically blew his leg off. It had to be amputated just below the knee.
I remember my late great grandmother telling me that it was barely hanging on by a piece of skin.
The story she told me was that they heard something outside and went to check. The person who followed behind him as they went out of the front door had the gun and somehow went off.. Sounds like a made up story.
I dunno Guts, Im saying it's pretty easy to accidentally shoot somebody while moving around simple obstacles like doors and such, especially when there is some adrenaline involved. Might be true.
I wasn't even born yet when gramps took that one to his leg, but I remember very well his scar looked like a Costco paper plate size piece of salami stuck to the back of his calf 40 whatever years after it happened.
Side note
I have been an avid predator hunter for better than 20 years. Killed more bears/cats/dogs than I could possibly count. I am unimpressed with the stopping power of 00 buck against animals that can kill you, well let me rephrase that, IMO 00buck from a 28" barrel is a good way to get yourself killed, because with those types of animals you have to disconnect the brain from the rest of the nervous system or they won't die for 20 min or longer even while missing a lung or heart or...also I had a pellet skip off some thick brush and mortally wound my best hunting dog during a hunt so that pisses me off too.
Crossing a fence is apparently a common way to shoot yourself, in my mandatory course they taught us to not even fuck around and completely unload your weapon before you do it.
I wasn't going to do that but now I'm definitely not doing it! Even as a dare!!
Good tests.
Also another vote for more Charlie. He is the man on the spectrum we didnt know we needed.
I agree, let's use Charlie as a Live Target in the next video... As i am sure, that is what you meant, and i will not be swayed
All in favor say " Yoi yoi yoi yoi yoi"
27:00
Charlie handles this extraordinarily well...
As someone who depends heavily on a shotgun for home defense, the scariest aspect of this video was the fact that Charlie was armed.
Something about his, "X girlfriend". ?
🤣🤣🤣😂
Garand Thumb is just Bill Nye At Home at this point... I love your videos man!
As someone who's been hit with birdshot from 150ish yards, I can say that it felt like really slow airsoft bbs hitting me and is most certainly not deadly
I’ve had pellets rain on me while hunting. Thankfully I had eye pro on 👌🏻
Why did someone shoot you with birdshot?
Mind sharing why you were hit with birdshot?
@@INSANESUICIDE incompetent dove hunters firing straight across a small field at low flying doves, and I happened to be sitting on the other side of the field
Cow tipping used to be dangerous back in the day.
Garandthumb science should be a class taught in every elementary school nationwide.
and probably less shocking than some of the crap the public schools are exposing them to.
@@wincav ain’t that the sad truth
“Mr teacher, what’s a skussy?”
“More Chicago style shooting, where you kinda just send things and hope they don’t hit a three year old”😂😂
If all else fails, just sing loudly, 🎶”Shotgun get it done, come on Mony…”🎶
Been looking for this since the CBRNArt podcast. LETS GO!!
Same my boy
Came here to post this
I just got a Beretta 1301 last week.
I like the fact that Charlie is carrying candy in his magazine and even has a kydex holster for more. Also whenever he talks the thrilling music stops... glorious!
I really respect you paying homage to those that came before
He forgot 'depressed novelists'.
@@bdwilcox to be fair i can't say i blame hemmingway given his situation
"Charlie, what are you doing?" "I'm just holding it!"
0:10 You have completely forgot the advanced engineering in the barrel that somehow tightens the spread when you aim down sights
You mean the choke which is just the barrel internal dimensions of the barrel tightening in order to funnel the pellets together to ensure it stays together longer.
@@cullenseago1519 it's a joke bruh
@@cullenseago1519 bro it's a joke, guy wasn't even talking about chokes
@@cullenseago1519 It's a video game joke.
"Is this real Charlie" Charlie: "No, we talked about that". Had me wanting a comedy tour between these two.
"Charlie! Charlie what are you doing?"
"I'm not going to keep it..."
With slugs in rifled shotgun barrels, for the most part, 200 yards is the max vs 100 yards with a smoothbore and a rifled slug. I have regularly taken whitetail with a rifled 12 ga at 150-ish yards, and farther, using Hornady SST. They aren't the hardest hitting slugs out there, and they do have a tendency to fragment, but they are the most accurate and reliable that I have used. I developed a lot of confidence in that ammo because I know I can hit where I need to hit. If I do my job right, I empty the chest cavity of liquified lung tissue during field dress. If I had to use that gun and ammo for self defense against human assailants, I would not worry about effectiveness.
.... slugs.
rifled.
shotgun
isn't that just a rifle?
@@suddenllybah Not legally... at least in the state of Ohio which calls them "shotguns." I admit it's certainly debatable terminology. Ohio is a state that only relatively recently opened up white tail hunting to straight-walled rifle caliber cartridges. Nowadays, you can barely give away a slug gun. If I had to use rifled slugs in a smooth bore as shown in the vids here, I'd have pretty much been out of business hunting.
@@SootHead
Ah, that makes sense.
Legality stuff def tortures language a bit.
and it's not like shotgun itself is particularly better. Shot still can be used to refer to anything that you can put into a gun/cannon.
we have just decided that it refers to smoothbore guns.
No you haven't
@@SootHead Hello, fellow OH hunter. Thanks for the info, as 2021 was my first season and I’m still learning. All I know is that slugs out of my rifled 12 ga is like a freaking hand cannon