Remington 870 vs Mossberg 500: Battle of the cheap shotguns
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- The Remington 870 and the Mossberg 500 are the most popular shotguns sold in America. It can be tough to decide between these two entry-level shotguns, but in this video we show the differences and help you decide which one to pick.
Laughs with my $50 Maverick 88
lol whenever someone asks me if they should get an 870 or a 500 i tell them to get a maverick and more ammo
I got my 88 all pimped out for HD!!! 😎
And all 500 extras work on the 88. So great
The 88 is the perfect centric pump action imho especially with the placement of the safety
Had my 88 for 14 years cant say how many rounds between grouse and duck hunting had my first issue last week something got into it and jammed the action release button no fault of the gun itself but for some of the condition I hunt in i cant see spend big money on a shotgun
I bought my Mossberg 500 at age 15 I'm now 37 I've never seen it malfunction it has never broken
Best breakdown of these 2 shotguns that I've seen! Well done!
Yeah I have a 500 and it’s a wooden stock and the grip is perfect
Same here
The FLEX is just fine; these guys are holding the stock like rookies; your thumb should never be over the top of a traditional style stock. It's a stock, not a pistol grip; your thumb should be parallel with the barrel. Not sure how these guys don't know this, as it's super basic fundamentals of marksmanship. I guess they've grown up around pistol grips where you do put your thumb around, and they're incorrectly applying that grip to the older style of rifle/shotgun grips/stocks.
Yes
I have the 500 in wood stock believe its called the field and sport for hunting
I shoot the Mossberg that shoots 2 3/4 to the 3 1/2 shell's and I've owned it for 25 years and i love it
I bought a Mossberg 590A1 about 2 years ago and I love the thing.
I trained Marines on the 500. Mostly they were voluntold to be security on ammo supply points. Never had enough time to really teach it, but all the Marines I trained were proficient. I hated when we went to the benelli
They still use the 500, Chesapeake Va right? I remember one kid failed 7 fucking times, they passed him but still...
Had both the 500 and 870 at Marine Barracks Hawaii. Always preferred the 500.
Like I said - “simple enough that even Marine can use it!” 😉
I had both, and they are both very reliable but the balance and shootabilty feels alot better in the 870 for sure.
870 was my first shotgun and it was great but when people ask my option I always tell them the 870 is good but go with a mossberg. Remington quality inspection has dropped in recent years and the 870 has had very little improvements on the gun.
I agree. I looked at a recently made Remington as compared to my Mossberg 500. I found the quality of the latter to be much more than the former. A friend of mind has an old Remington 870 from the 60s. Like the Mossberg, the quality over the new is remarkable as well.
They ruined Marlin too
Freedom group ruined Remingtons name. I'm still gonna go with Remington just based on I have broke 2 firing pins in my mossberg. But Remington did at one point make the better shotgun. Remington 870 used to be twice the gun a mossberg was. Now I'd rate them as even. Except I have broken two firing pins in my mossberg 500. Which is concerning.
@@anythingfastimdown Really? two firing pins. That is interesting. What do you think may have caused that?
Got my first 870 Wingmaster in... jeez just around 1980? Beautiful burled walnut stock and the shotgun was amazing. I hunted with it for over a decade before it was stolen. Today's Remington is NOT the Remington of old. I purchased a Browning Light 12 to replace that old WIngmaster which I like. I'm looking at getting a Stoeger pump now. I like the take down and action of the Stoeger better than the Mossberg. Mossberg is a solid choice tho; you can't go wrong with it.
I'm biased. I've had the Mossberg for years and it's my favorite gun.
Thanks gents. Enjoy your vids. I bought my first 870 in the early 80s. A beautiful wingmaster. I have owned more 870 Sportsmans than I wish to count. Good solid guns. I bought the Mossberg 590 20 years ago. Gamechanger for me. Things got tight a few years ago and I sold it. I bought an 887 Remington to replace the 590. Not a fan. Bought a 500 combo with adjustable stock, fully rifled slug barrel(scope). Not unhappy with it. It isn't a 590.
I chose the Mossberg 590 of the Remington 870 for one reason and one reason only. The action release. The action release on the mossberg sits behind the trigger and allows it to be pushed with out ever taking your hand out of the firing position. The action release on the 870 does not allow that. Having to move your strong hand from the firing position to manipulate the firearm is not a good thing to me.
Agree - the Mossberg is better. But you missed what to me is one of the more important differences - loading is way easier on the Mossberg. Turn it over and you can drop shells into the slot. On the Remington, if I’m not mistaken, you have to push the elevator out of the way which requires a little more care and slows you down as a result.
Nope. I can load a 870 faster than my Mossy rattle trap. Balance goes to the 870.
@@gloppy101 🤥
I have a Mossberg 500 Persuader and the trigger is in a nice place for me, and my hands are probably normal size.
Just got a rem 870 for my bday and I love it!
Happy birthday philip
@@srla.5145 thx man
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It doesn't run off over time like oil.
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to bad it won't a 500... lol jk
I have had my 870 for over 30 years and have never had any serious issues with it. Many of the things they have brought up are true - particularly the rust thing (I use mine as a hunting gun, so moisture is always touching it). I would have a hard time switching at this point because the gun has been so reliable for so long.
I’ve got a youth model Remington 870 20 gauge I got for my 8th birthday. I’m 19 now and still like it more than my 12 gauge. Love how small it is
Good choice! Been using a 500 since I was a kid. I’ve heard the 870s quality control has gone down hill over the years along with the rest of Remington. I will have to say the Remington has two wins though. First for some reason they are more aesthetically please and second if you are using a pistol grip the safety works better
That part you were referring to is actually the ejector; the extractor us the claw on the bolt that grabs the shell on loading and unloading from the chamber.
Upgrade the Remington 870 with the Volquartzen extractor. A high grade steel custom milled part. Far better the that factory OEM that is MIM fabricated.
My 500 has a normal reach
Weird. I can reach the trigger easily on the 500
I feel the same way.
I have the FLEX model and reach the trigger just fine; these guys are holding the gun like rookies with their thumb incorrectly over the top of the stock and their grip about an inch too far back. Your thumb should be parallel to the barrel, not perpendicular. It's a mistake a lot of novice shooters make, treating a traditional rifle/shotgun stock like it's a pistol grip. I'd bet they aren't getting proper cheek welds either, because if they were, first hot load they fire and their thumb is gonna be smacking their nose.
I got small hands and I can reach the trigger... they must just be pansies
@@qouavang3646 llol
His grip is fundamentally wrong.
My 870 wingmaster was my first shotgun and still my favorite of all time. Shot my first buck with it. Love that gun.
I absolutely love the FLEX model because you can transport it in a case that's as long as whatever the longest barrel is you want to run. Mine is stored in a 30" long case that fits perfectly in my tiny little trunk (2014 Chrysler Town & Country), as I can in seconds pop off the stock and unscrew the barrel, and just as quickly reassemble it. I'm thinking about making an aluminum walking stick that houses the barrel, keeping it free of debris and moisture, and just popping the stock and receiver in my backpack for hiking out to hunting spots. Might even make the upper part of the hiking stick house my fishing rod (disassembled) as well. Options are a great thing to have, and being able to offload the weight of the barrel to the ground as you hike I think is a great idea. Maybe even make a spot where the barrel can thread into the hiking stick to prevent rattle and not need to add foam inside the compartment.
I have a 870 express I bought about 10 years ago, no issues but you can't baby the action. If you baby it that's where you find sticky action. Mossberg is a very handy shotgun nice and light, action is very smooth. Downside is adding more shells. You can't go wrong with either or, tremendous track record. Comes down to user preferences
If you take a little steel wool on a wooden dowel, chuck it into a drill and run it in the chamber area on the barrel of the 870 it will quit hanging up. Every 870 ive messed with had a tighter chamber than other shotguns
I use a brake cylinder hone set with light spring pressure with some machine oil to lubricate the Stones & it works great .
Im left handed and would prefer the mossberg for the safety alone
I bought a 870 express left handed. Must have been old stock really nice gun.
I have the same issue. Riffles I usually stick with Savage but am going to be getting a Mossberg for this reason. My only compaint on my Mossberg Maverick is it does not have the same safety as the big brother.
I have an 870 express from the 80’s. The action is good. I love the shotgun! I wouldn’t trade it for any other shotgun.
Joey is Losing Weight not even a mossberg?
Same here. It's my duck and goose gun.
Tactical Nugget24 no, I wouldn’t trade it for a Mossberg, but I respect Mossbergs.
Keep it
It's the cheap easily changed barrels available for the Mossberg 500 that tickles my fancy.
I have the blackpowder barrel for the 500
The action on older mossberg is clunky and not that great i feel. And the safety is SUPER loud. That's not a good feature for me when it comes to hunting. I have a mossberg, to me its a club.
I have had my mossberg 500 for 40 years & what I did was took the pump ejectors out & the firing block & polished them using polishing stones then some 1,500 grit sand paper lubed with oil to finally polish the parts & it makes a night & day difference on how smooth the action is on them . The other thing is if it hasn't been shot enough to break it in & kept clean during that process it takes a long time before it starts to smoothen out . My 500 the safety is on top that slides up & down & once again if the gun gets used enough that will smoothen out or can be polished if you don't shoot that much or don't want to wait . The only problem I ever had with mine was that safety knob was plastic & mine broke one fall while duck hunting with a buddy but once we were out of the blind & back in the truck we drove to the nearest bait & ammo stop near us & they had a upgraded blued steel safety knob for it for under 10.00 . I have since then shot thousands of rounds through it without any problems at all & still use it on clays once in a while or to take out a pesky red squirrel or wood chuck at times lol . I bought a extra barrel for mine that's been shortened that I used for grouse & woodcock plus it shoots deer slugs well also & it also can be used as a home protection gun with that barrel & my pistol grips & sling I can put on it so it's pretty versitale especially since I only paid 40.00 for the barrel from a friend then had my machinist friend cut the barrel down & install the bead sight on it for free . The old 870s were top notch but that was long ago & from what I hear they are just a shell of what they were quality wise which is sad & I have been hearing that about a lot of other gun manufacturers that used to make & build good quality guns as of late & part of it is they are either made over seas or with parts made over there or they are skimping out on fine tuning & polishing as well as quality control .
I'm not a fan of the m500 the mechanism is flimsy and just feels meh. Now I dont have a now 870. Mine is an old police model 870 and has been used and abused for many years.
Dude same , the metal on the 500 just feels "weak" to me
You guys aren't kidding about availability being so low on shotguns right now since the pandemic started. I was trying to buy one since last year and they were all sold out. It makes sense to me a lot of people are rushing to get them because in most states you don't need a permit, so you just have to pass a quick background screen. Hunting license applications have went up exponentially, and people are also looking for an entry level gun for home defense. Anyways, I was looking at 870s and the 500 for their price point and reliability. Both are a great choice but I went with the 500 because of everyones repeated reviews of the 870's jamming and the 500's quicker reload. If I were to get a Remington 870 I would probably invest in some upgrades and the end product might be better than the 500, but I tend to want something functional right out of the box.
Great video guys. I agree that the Mossberg is moe betta than the newer 870’s. However, the old Wingmasters were just premier failsafe shotguns. I’m fortunate to have owned both. I still own and hunt with the Mossberg. I bought it just about 10 to 12 years ago. I’m very pleased with my choice. I do miss my old 870 though. It was appropriated by my son, who is about guys age and has a son coming up. That is something I’m looking forward to shooting with him. Thanks for the fun video. You two make me laugh.
I'm thinking somewhere the rem is still selling and shooting reliably the upstate NY company has a great rep but the moss 500 started out at roses and sky city and reg Walmart it retailed about 129 it was a shotgun folks hunted with and kept the rem semi autos behind glass 1000 rounds later shooters realized holy shit these guns still work I'm sorry the extra round doesn't hurt as well now when someone realizes the consumer is the market for a brand they should carry it those 2 guns somehow dictate the gun industry as a whole I'm not sure how u tell me
Have you thought about the Winchester SXP? It's Winchester's reintroduction of the 1200/1100. It's $330 at Cabela's. Definitely deserves a seat at the table, because it would win.
If you can get an 870 Police model go for it, otherwise take the Mossberg
in general there's a lot more range of quality on the 870 depending on year of production and model; Mossberg has much more consistent quality control.
Your finger doesn't reach the Mossberg trigger properly because you are using a SHIT stock!!!! Use a Knock Stock (Made by BlackHawk), its THE ONLY stock I would EVER use or reccomend!!!!😈😎😇
Coming from Military use of Mossberg 500, I hate all shotguns with exposed Elevator when reloading. My thumb alway get caught inside of her, when she closes her lips. As Mossberg user I like to shove my thumb deep inside when reloading.
Remington 870 all day long!!!
Only if your 870 is from 1980's or earlier, otherwise its crap
@@Valscorn01 Bullshit ...
Forgot to mention getting pinched by the loading gate on the Remington vs no loading gate on mossberg. Another reason mossberg is better
Great video guys, best comparison of the two I've ever seen. I've a 500 for 35+ years, no malfs, no rust, and I really like the tang location of the safety. It's been through hell and still looks good. Furniture was replaced with synthetic once it went from a hunting gun to home defense. Sold the wood and got back half of my original new purchase price of $165 for the Mossberg with a 28", a 20" bbl and a full stock and pistol stock. Add a 88 with a 7+1 cap and 20" bbl for only $180. These are bargain guns that run well and, at least with the old one, lasts for decades of heavy use.
If you want the extra capacity on the Mossberg you need to get the 590. More positives on my 500 for me, but the 870 to me has more aftermarket goodies available.
Mossberg all the way ! One for hunting , one for defense , all the same controls !
I have both a Mossberg 500 and a Remington 870. Fit and finish goes to the 870, it's the home defense hardwood model and it looks and feels so great! As far as function goes, the Mossberg is better. The only way you can decide between the two is to buy both.
Gun stores are raising the prices on guns way to much . Call a pawn shop that sales new guns and their starting price is 569.00 on a new shot gun they did not say what kind of shot gun it was that is ridiculously .I donot see how they could sale guns by raising the prices..their is an o saying you can price your self out of business .
I would suggest an Ithica m37 featherweight but suggested retail $1.199.00 is not comparable to the 500 or 870.
I’ve run a 500 field series for decades, for dove, quail and duck hunting. Absolutely flawless and very dependable.
That's exactly what I had to do with my 870. The left side of the barrel had burrs on a brand new 870 magpul edition. I had to polish them down and after that. Runs without not stoppage. It sucks to buy a gun and do work on it to make it run right.
Andrew
What method did you use to fix it?
Was it just that one issue...or did you address other areas (like the extractor or springs)?
Thanks.
@@MD-mm1zv there was a burr on the left side of the barrel. Kinda like the extension part. The brim of the casing was hitting that and causing it to stop it. I had to take it down and renish and work off material until smooth the burr out. Simple and easy but should have not needed to be done
I have the 870 super mag from the 90s, love the gun. Can't stand the 500 Just feel so cheap, feels like im gonna break it
I have broke my 500. Never broke my 870.
"Whats you biggest beef with 870?"
It is now a POS....it once was great, it is not anymore.
Yep. Freedom group made some horrible 870s. Now if you can find an old 870 wingmaster....those are so nice.
I just bought myself a 500, pretty happy with my choice, good quality for a low price
The 1950s price of the 870express adjusted for inflation is the price of todays wingmaster. So ofcause there are shortcuts. But the shortcuts of the 870 can be fixed. Polished chamber, non-MIM extractor, better bluing/parkerizing.
The downsides of the Mossb are more diff to improve. Aluminum reciever(sorter lifespan), trigger housing can break off, lifter can pop out of the holes in the reciever.
But I don't think anyone would be under gunned with any of them
I really like my 870 express magnum. I forgot the the 870 has a steel receiver compared to the Mossb. I have shot my 870 quite excessively. I have had times where i put at least 500 rounds on skeet in one day, with out any problems or fails. The only complaint i had was a massive bruise on BOTH of my shoulders!
Should do the Winchester SXP haven’t seen a lot of good reviews
I can tell you the 1300 defender is not even close to being as reliable as the 500. Don’t know about the SXP.
I do not like the 870's action, that alone is reason enough to buy the 500.
There both pump action shotguns 😂💀
@@robellenberger6816 One works smoothly and one is as coarse and unrefined as your sense of humour.
@@kentmains7763 your right the 870 has a silky smooth action
My first shotgun was a Mossberg 535.
(Basically a 500 that shoots 3 1/2" shells)
The mossberg safety works better for me.
It was my defense shotgun, hunting gun, and trap/skeet competition gun in college.
I'll never get rid of it.
I wouldn't mind getting my hands on an older 870 though.
On the Mossberg 500A, I believe that was an easily replaceable *ejector*, not an extractor, that screws into the left, interior side of the action.
The Mossberg 500A has two extractors on its bolt, which is one more extractor than the Remington 870 has. Therefore the 500A is more reliable than the 870 in that regard.
Another advantage of the Mossberg 500: because the receiver is aluminum, that is one less part of the gun you have to worry about rusting! The 870's steel receiver will need constant guarding against rust.
You’re correct. We misspoke. It is the ejector. Good point on corrosion!
I love my 500 a model 18 inch barrel pistol grip the best home protection gun there is loaded with Buckshot of course
@@backfire any advice on purchasing a shotgun for a beginner like what would be a descent shotgun for a limited budget that would be fairly easy to use?
New Remington 870 are junk rust buckets….
I know I'm weird but I like the safety being on the trigger guard. I have shot the 870 and the 760 so much that it is automatic for me. It's hard for me to reach a tang safety if the gun is shouldered. My father had a savage model 99 with the safety on the lever. I loved that gun but he traded it for one with the tang safety. Cost me a nice buck years later. I have 2 Remington 870s 1 from the early 1960s and 1 from the early 2000s. The early one is much slicker but I cannot guess how many shells have been through it
And Mossberg is still in business!! 😁
I want a Mossberg as my home defense weapon
It's better than nothing, but I would rather have something that holds more ammo. what if its 5 people?
@Walter White $300 could get you a used glock 19 not long ago. Lets see how that go's while joe is president.. better buy your shit now... dumb to wait this long.
you can reload a glock with 18 more round in like 2 seconds.. how long will it take to load 5 rounds in shotgun?
@Walter White yeah well you can hope.... I'm ready. lol
@Walter White not for 5 lol... jk.. aim bruh . haha have a good night man!
I've got both guns, like em both maybe the mossbergs more. I put a magpul stock on my mossberg 590 and the grip placement does alieviate the trigger reaching issues.
Mossberg 500 is absolutely better than the 870 express . But if you’re talking 870 wing master that’s a different story
I'm ready to buy. I was leaning toward the 870 until I saw this informative video. Thank you very much, Gentlemen. It's Mossberg for me.
Enjoy the Mossy, but the Rem is made better (especially the trigger). If you want real smooth action, grab a Wingmaster. Done.
@@gloppy101 I have not bought one yet. almost a year has gone by. You like yours? I just want to shoot birds and clays.
I have an old Remington from my dad. I have NEVER experienced the action problems
It's a result of the budget "Express" 870s. Police Magnums and Wingmasters are generally better.
I’ve had my mossberg 500 for 35+ years and love it. I changed the original wood stock for a new adjustable flex stock and immediately noticed the difference with the grip like you demonstrated. So I think the difference is the flex stock. I still use it because I was able to adjust the length of pull to better suit me.
Did you get a knock Stock? Best in my opinion.
You're holding the grip on the 500 FLEX way too far back. You guys do know you're not supposed to wrap your thumb around the stock, RIGHT?
That's the most rookie mistake ever. Your thumb should be pointed towards the muzzle, same side as the hand (thumb on right if right handed, thumb on left if left handed).
The reason you don't wrap your thumb around the stock is so you don't whack your nose during recoil with a proper cheek weld.
Use Year 2021 prices and there not so cheap.
Great video gentleman I'm a mossberg 500 fella but you were extremely fair with pros and cons of both I do love 870s as well but a 500 just fits me a bit better with the ergos well done.
I could watch your videos all day! I expect your channel to grow exponentially in the future! Great job guys!
Great channel guys. My uncle just gave me a 1969 870 wingmaster as he recently had a stroke and can't shoot anymore.
The hammer sound when describing the recoil pad on the 870 is priceless.👌👌 Thank you 🤣🤣🔨🔨🔨
If the 870 was made in the past 15 years no thank you. They went downhill about 15 years or so ago.
I always change my 500s to pistol grips so I don't have that problem
I got a 500 many years back as a duty long gun. I abused and still abuse it alot, but it never fails. Heck its the only pump action that is milspec. I bought it in the JIC pistol grip variant, but its easy to change out stocks and barrels it just takes 1 allen head.
I’m wishing I hadn’t bought the flex model. Like you said, the parts are easy enough to change in the standard model and the flex parts have been much harder to get lately.
@@backfire i thought you could remove the quick exchanger with an allen key as well. Its not a different reciever it just a 1" bolt on quick exchange lug.
@@backfire th-cam.com/video/PvaVmo5JeYw/w-d-xo.html just do this in reverse.
870 isn't cheap though
Got a 870 when I was 14. I'm 52 now. Love it. Smooth as silk. I purchased a 870 express a few years ago. I always would stick, tried several ways to fix it. Finally sold it. Saving a few dollars in manufacturing will bite you in the ass in the long run.
As someone who grew up on Remington, I'm genuinely disappointed with their desegregation in quality over the years. It's no wonder they're bankrupt, love my old ones, but definitely don't recommend them to anyone anymore unless it's an old well taken care of model. Even their 1911s suck brand new, it's like an 80% chance of getting a dud.
Same here. When I first shot a 870 youth 20 gauge the forend jammed on the second pump and I had to slam it against the ground to eject the shell. It's a real shame cause I grew up watching my dad shoot his 870, and now that I'm old enough to own one they're crappy.
So, Winchester for the win!
I'd love to see how they hold up against something even cheaper like the H&R pardner pump
I love my old 870 wingmaster with a fixed full choke barrel. I also love the mossberg, they’re both famous pumps for the same reason, they just work
I have 3 Remington 870’s: a 1978 Wingmaster TB, a 1998 Wingmaster Trap and a 2007 Express. The Wingmaster’s run smooth with no issues, but the Express had the shell sticking in the chamber issue from day one. I honed the chamber with a 20mm flex hone and oil, and that eliminated the issue.
My Mossberg has a ported barrel reduces the recoil a lot
I have a old 870 never let me down and its cerakoted so no rust. my buddy has a mossberg 500 his safety failed during a hunt ruined the whole hunt so ill stick with my 870
Nice video, just subbed. These two guns are workhorses. I've had a 870 that I literally paddled boats with duck hunting and it never let me down. Shot a mossberg 500 for years without any issues and now I shoot a mossberg 835. Basically the 3.5" chambered version of the mossberg.
With the new owners Remingtons quality should come back because they were a benchmark of quality especially when all 870s were wing masters
We used the Mossberg a lot in the military without any major issues. It scares me a lot though when I saw a video by one youtuber dochinson, about the extraction lever getting detached when we accidentally drop the weapon even from a foot height from the ground.
The lighter made lifter is the cause I think, my older ones don’t have that problem!
Yessir these are great shotguns
Just comparing the 2.
After selling my H&R 20ga 870 clone for Christmas $, I decided I didn't really know which I prefered, but knew I didn't want to get a 20ga. ...and the indecisiveness goes on.
Please measure the length of where you grip the stock, to the trigger of both guns, then we can really know if it will be an issue for people with small hands.
I have no trouble with reaching the trigger with my Mossberg 500. I've shot 1000s of shells through it, I've never had a failure. Remington owners poo-poo my Moss 500, calling it cheap & nasty, but they can't shoot any better with their 870s, plus I don't have the extra weight to lug around. Negatives? You can't add a mag extension to the 500, but at 5+1 it's enough until there's some "Zombie Apocalypse" or warlike Space Alien Invasion.
Do not buy a Remington 870 express. It is a pile of shit that isn't worth your time to make reliable. Old wingmasters (1980s and older), are fantastic. Mossberg 500s are rugged guns. Unfortunately, they've never fit or pointed well for me. Also, I hate how loose and thick the fore-end feels. If you're looking for a twelve gauge pump shotgun, do yourself a favor and buy a used Ithaca 37 featherlight. You won't regret it, I promise.
Your 870 most likely has the bump in ftint of the chamber....David Sunshine explains th-cam.com/video/mlGoxNsaieE/w-d-xo.html
Great series you guys 👍🏻
Up here in canada we call 870 recoil pads....hockey pucks.
Mossberg's safety is more left handed friendly. I've owned a 500A for over 10 years. Came from the factory with pistol grip, 20" barrel, heat shield, and 8 +1 capacity. At 30.5" it's only 4.5" longer than the Shockwave, but with much more capacity.
Got a question.. I'm right handed, I'm missing my index, half half of middle finger, half my pinky but all of my ring finger.. I've never fired a gun but want to purchase one for home defense.. my buddy recommended either the Remington 870 or the Mosburg 510.. which one would be the easiest to fire with my half of middle finger? Any help would be greatly appreciate
Express RUST...
This may get ridiculed but I have an express and the way I've kept it looking new for 8 years so far is a quick liquid wrench SILICONE spraying, end to end,in and out, every 4-6 months (or after it's been wet). Takes 1 minute. Wipe if dirty or just let it dry on & polish wood. If you use another brand make sure it is for metal,wood,plastic & rubber. I like liquid wrench because since they added ceflon it makes a longer lasting coat. If an express is treated with this and kept fairly dry, it should look new indefinitely. mine lookes better than it did new. More luster - zero rust.
Other things stop rust too but this is faster and gets in every crevice and protects and is good for every part on a shotgun it gets into, unlike other products. And after dry doesn't attract dust n dirt.
The older 500s, the non-FLEX hunting model 500s, the Maverick 88s (made by Mossberg) and the 835s will all have the standard length of pull. I would avoid the FLEX. Mossberg actions are not super smooth like the high end Remington wing master and police models, but they don't ever hang up unless you've got really bad ammo or you just short stroke the gun by limp wristing the slide (the Mossberg is meant to be pulled back on hard.) It's also a strong action with twin action bars and twin ejectors on the bolt. Good lock up that believe it or not has a locking lug that goes into the barrel shank. I like that the loading gate on the Mossberg is internal compared to the 870s which can catch the finger. You can simply drop shells into the gun and push them in, the elevator only comes down when you pull the action to the rear. I like the ergos on the 500, all the controls are perfectly accessible without changing the grip of the firing hand. The 590 has the open ended magazine/barrel similar to the 870, but to my knowledge there are no sporting barrel options for the 590, so if you need a barrel longer than 20" and you need a choke, or you need to be able to use a rifled barrel for hunting in states that make you use shotguns for deer, it will be relegated to being a security gun or for plinking/non-competitive clay shooting. That being said I've known people to hunt even with an 18.5" riot gun, both upland birds and boar (with foster slugs.) For my money the Mossberg is the best, Remington's QC has been going down and down and down, which is a shame because older 870s were a thing of beauty.
Mossberg Flex System is a very smart design, I purchased it for easy transport my shotgun in a small trunk in my 911 but ergonomic of it is very wrong and I had to put the Magpul stock back. Besides this, Mossberg 500 series shotgun doesn’t have anything stupid. Remington 870 doesn’t have anything that is not stupid. I am a mechanical design engineer and I see things differently than normal people.
Remington quality has gone in the toilet in the last 15 years. Mossberg is the way to go.
That’s what I heard.
I was debating on an 870 or 590. Glad I picked the 590, the more I read about the 500 series the more my heart flutters. Haha.
I hope you enjoy that shotgun. You made the right choice .
edwoll77 thank you Ed. God bless America!!!
Their problem is that they're resting their firing hand too far back. Get a high and tight grip, forget about the slide lock, as long as you have positive control of the weapon it won't come out of battery. And if you want a bit of a heavier mossberg you've got the 590 and the 590A1. So literally I have 0 problems with mossberg. My first shotgun was a $50 maverick 88. I put over 3,000 shells through it in a matter of 2 months with no issues.
I have an older 870 and a modern 500. The 500 doesn’t like to cycle some rounds, the 870 it’s it all and is easier to shoot. The plastic receiver feels like junk on the 500 to me. When I went to upgrade parts on my 500, it quickly found out one way mossberg was saving money was by using Maverick 88 parts, in this case it was a slide. I had to buy an actual mossberg slide tube to be able to use aftermarket stuff.