Given the track record of EVs, other than someone who is in the business with something to gain, purchasers do not like to be the source of experimentation for OEMs. Customers buy from people who they trust and lack of credability is now an issue for car mfgs and dealers.
Totally agree! In my country the base starts at over $35k and the GT at $42k. Thats before dealer fee's and our sales tax. So basically you can't even get into a base one for under $40k out the door anymore and that's the base model - the minimum spec you'd want with the LSD is about $45k with tax and fee's. You kinda know the demographic that Mazda is going for as it prioritizes marketing lane departure warning and auto highbeamsm etc. It's not the fun affordable zippy little corner carver anymore. Well, it truly is, but there's a reason you typically see 65+ year olds plodding around in new auto trans ones almost exclusively.
The Jeep Cherokee has suffered from reliability issues, especially electrical and electronic issues, since its introduction in 2014. For years, its 9-speed automatic was a rough shifting, gear-hunting transmission. What probably dunked the Cherokee in 2023 was Jeep ceasing to offer the 3.2 V6 engine. Jeep's 2.0L turbo does not have a very good reputation for reliability or longevity. By comparison, the 3.2 V6 wasn't too bad. And, of course, price. Back in 2019-20, one could buy a pretty loaded new Cherokee Trailhawk in the $30K range in actual out-the-door price. In 2020, I looked at 2019 in perfect condition with under 26K miles that I could have bought for $19K from a Jeep dealer.
I had a 2019 3.2 and never had any issues with it. I did not like the way the motor performed in traffic though. I’m much happier with the 3.6 in the Gladiator, but it is so much less efficient.
The "gear hunting" is a complaint from people that don't understand how transmissions with a lot of gears work. They are intended to shift a lot to keep the engine in its torque band. The people that complain are used to 3-4 speed autos that shift to a gear and for the most part stay in that gear for a large speed range.
My neighbor across the street went from a Hyundai Santa Fe to the Jeep TrailHawk and absolutely loves it. She bought it right before her husband (my good friend) passed away. He was a big car freak always switching out cars every year or so. She sold his Challenger 392 after he passed. I remind her every month to drive down the dirt road on her way to the car wash and put it into 4 wheel drive to keep the transfer case and front diff lubed up. She is such a great friend of the family.
I have a 2019 Cherokee TrailHawk with the V6. I’d say I like it but don’t love it but it’s really hard to find an SUV with 4 Low, a rear locker, and almost 9 inches of ground clearance for a similar price. The transmission is annoying at times but not terrible. My biggest complaint is probably the size. I wish it was a little bigger for all my fishing gear.
They wouldn’t necessarily have to make the Miata bigger overall, they just need to modify the interior slightly. They can reposition the seat tracks and compromise a couple of inches of trunk space, then maybe add an inch or so of leg room to the footwell. People don’t generally buy those for their trunk capacity. They buy them to track and cruise around in. Trunk space is just a bonus and you can pack light for long trips.
@@berniemadoff7837 I agree it’s been a few years now. This is just type of car that probably won’t compromise handling and rigidity to make more room. They could tweak this platform a little bit, but I can’t see Mazda dumping much into their one niche car. They only sell a few hundred per month, maybe a thousand sales a month. I like Toyotas. I rented a Camry a couple years ago. Drove it from here in Myrtle Beach, SC to Appleton Wisconsin in a day. That was probably 1,500+ miles with little fatigue. I’ve yet to drive a 4Runner or any of their truck based vehicles, but despite the low mpg, I know they must be comfortable. I also drove a Highlander last year, it was comfortable.
Jeep products (and for that matter Stellantis products) seem to be victim of dealers thinking they need to "collect" vehicles on the lot and not sell them - apparently they haven't gotten the "memo" that most of the supply chain and inventory issues are (mostly) over and it's time to start making deals again. When a moderately equipped Renegade is topping $40k (based on addendums) it's time to wax up the water skis and prepare to jump the shark... I just laugh because I'm probably not going to buy one anyways but would consider a RAM truck or a Jeep Wrangler or Jeep Truck but the prices are just too darn high...
been a ram owner for years.... not that we liked them... over all they were a cheaper price. Now rams can easily top $90,000.oo bucks. There must be plenty of Xtupid buyers out there who get an 84 to 96 month loan on a truck that might only hold together for 5yrs. The U.S. FED is propping up these companies... and the big three know their JUNK well eventually cost so much to repair... that customers are forced to pay slave prices. UNFORTUNATELY there is no competition. U.S. manufacturers have the GOV support to restrict production.
It's insane that someone would buy ANY Renegade at a price that is in the same ballpark as a 4Runner...even a used 4Runner would be a far better value. Insane. I don't know where they find these buyers.
If you value your money don’t waste it on a Jeep. I’d say try a Tacoma or Nissan Frontier if you want a truck or any Japanese brand suv over a wrangler.
We were able to lease a Avenir AWD Envision almost a year ago. It was what they had on the lot so we went with it. Dealer went under MSRP to move it since they had it for a while. Its been flawless over and back mountain passes on a weekly basis in the PNW and its almost at 20k miles. Its definitely worth taking a look at it if you can score a great deal.
They are expensive because that is what people wanted. They wanted SUVs with the extras. Just a few years ago they had all types of inexpensive cars that anyone could buy but people thought they were too good for them. The automakers cancelled all of their cheap cars for that reason. I will say this if you want a big roomy SUV or Truck you are going to pay the price because they will always cost more than a car
It’s sad what happened to us with those rates and MRSP so high some people can afford it so other they can’t not Gas prices income inflation it’s tough people the get smarter man all Dealerships around Miami and Hollywood FL pack of inventory
@Joherandez-jz4jn Americans don't buy Buicks... if it were based on the American market Buick would be liquidated faster than you can say bankruptcy. The one and only reason Buick still exists, is that for some strange reason, Buick is a status symbol in China, and Buicks sell like hotcakes over there.
We agree with Nathan, the Ford Mach E is NOT, just NOT, a Mustang, I wish that Jim Farley would tell his people to stop calling it that. (This opinion is from me and four of my friends :)
I got a Ford edge sport, and it's actually a great and relatively fast vehicle. 360hp if I remember correctly, and has everything you could possibly want.
The ND / ND2 4th generation Miata is very light. That is the reason it handles unlike any other cars including the BRZ / 86 twins. Not made for fat people TFL. I love my 2016 Club soft top & its amazing in the snow with winter tires too. These cars are easy to work on for maintenance & have an amazing assortment of quality aftermarket parts. When I bought this car my garage got much bigger !
You are showing the video of the Buick Envista, not Envision. Both times. Incidentally, the Envision is a very nice reliable car. It lacks a bit in power, but the rest of the car is well done.
Don't most of these dealerships buy cars on loan? So having them sit for 30 days or more means they have to pay interest on them, which is just straight money lost. You'd think they'd be more motivated to sell them, but they aren't in my area.
The Land Rover, like most high end cars, is great until the warranty runs out, which is fine for those who can afford a new one. But for those looking for a good used car, they are best avoided.
Problem with the Miata is the fact that it's not a practical car. It's a 2nd or 3rd car which is why it takes longer to sell. I own and daily drive a '21 Club soft top and I love the car, but it was a 3rd vehicle for me...now a second that I sold my motorcycle. I can daily the car since my kid is now off in college.
New takes longer to sell because Mazda upped the price. Notice it wasn't listed on the Used car list as being tough to sell. In fact when I went to figure out how much my 2016 Club soft top was worth the next week had dealers calling me everyday trying to pry my car away from me. Same thing when the pandemic hit my local Mazda dealer would send me a monthly letter stating how much they would give for my car.
Yup, in a day and age where people can barely afford to keep a roof over their head or even 1-2 vehicles, insurance and taxes have gone up, etc...having toy vehicles just doesn't make sense for most households.
Speaking of Chevy mistakes. I bought a new Chevrolet Trailblazer in 2004. Body on Frame, terrific 275 hp inline 6 DOHC engine, 4WD, low range transfer case, towing package (6000 lbs), underbody protection, recovery hooks, etc. It is pretty good off road - would be even better if Chevy had evolved it with a rear locker/limited slip diff and 2 inches of lift. Love the car but after 225k miles I decided to get another primary vehicle (still have the TB as a utility vehicle, though). I would have definitely got another one - except Chevy punted on vehicles in this class. Got a Grand Cherokee Trailhawk instead in '21. At least Jeep didn't forget about its heritage.
Many of these cars would sell better if they were cheaper. E.g. the Mustang. The whole point of the pony car is that it's cheap and powerful. But noooo, lets make it expensive and then complain about low sales😅
Don’t assume that dealers are willing to deal. In 2015 when the redesigned Mustang came out my local dealer had a 2014 model which he wouldn’t discount. That car sat there for 2 more years while he dug in his heels and refused to drop the price. You still see ADMs and junk options slapped on top of the sticker. It’s no wonder people are walking away.
My neighbor had a Land Rover Evoqe. He had the transmission replaced under warranty but said it would have been around $15k without the warranty. That's a car that you don't call a tow truck when it breaks down, you just walk away.
I picked up a used Cherokee a year and a half ago,Got an absolute screaming deal on it. Its a 2020 with the v6 … almost fully loaded. Had 23k miles on it . Its been reliable, no issues. Its almost at 60k miles now, i drive it a lot .
@@tinleo3339 yeah, it’s all just a math equation. I could replace the motor in my jeep Three times and still not have paid as much as a equivalent spec RAV4 or CRV. Everyone’s situation is different, with the right deal and the right financing Chrysler can make sense.
I'd feel very comfortable saying that a vast majority of people +/- 90% only use their cars to get back and forth to work. For practical purposes what's the point of buy a vehicle with a bunch of bells and whistles that you're probably not going to use. I went that route once. I sat in my driveway one day with my fully loaded 2020 Cadillac CTS realized that I don't used most of options, touch screen settings or barely use the GPS and the cameras. I traded it in for a 2021 chevy colorado WT. But I also bought a really cool ATV with the leftover money. 😅
I feel like the current gen Nissan Murano is one of the most iconic "boring cars" of the 2010s. I dont know why I think that but it stands out much more than any of other Nissans normal generic cars. I see a lot of them too.
The OG of TFL buddy teams! More Roman and Nathan! Woo hoo! YMMV, but I really love the chemistry of these videos! PS - I have been on a Range Rover / Mustang phase lately. Mostly trying to talk the wife out of liking the range rovers and me having always wanting a manual mustang.
The MX-5 Miata surprises me - when I've looked for another one (sold my RF when prices were insane during the lockdown and made bank) they're not easy to find (in any trim) and when you do they won't deal on them - I'm probably only in the market for one of these for another couple years as I'm getting up there in years and can't justify getting in and out of it. For whatever reason my 2 door Mini JCW is easy and it's much quieter on the road (less fun even JCW) then the MX-5 but more practical....
@@fortheloveofnoise Yeah, that's an issue. I bought my first one in '97 and even then a base Miata had risen from the '90 debute of $9999 to $22,000 in '97. My '21 Club with Brembos ran me like $38k out the door and I put money down.
@@nitzerebbhead I have a 2016 Club soft top with the Brembo / BBS package & when I bought ( 1st week of March 2017 ) the RFs had just come out. $9,500 less than you paid. The 2023 Sport model does sell under $30,000 though.
I don't imagine base model 5.0 manual mustangs as being the issue with sitting on a lot for long. They are completely in an unmatched sweet spot when it comes to dollars/HP, so having it specified as such is unrealistic. They sell themselves. What is staying on the lot in the Mustang world are the bloated, heavily optioned cars that dealerships and manufacturers thought would sell like hotcakes. Well if you load up a Mustang, you get close to the realm of say a base model Corvette and a lot of other cars. Enough so that the loaded Mustangs price themselves out of the running. Try to find a base 5.0 with a stick. Lemme know about that big discount you're expecting. Cheers.
I was never a Corvette guy, but this new gen Corvette seriously seems world class in handling and power. Might even get the Z06 for shits and giggles. 😂
The lots were full of loaded cars because of the chip shortages the past couple of years. In those days if you have one chip to put in a car are you going to build a 25k car or are you going to put every option you can to build a 35k car. Take a look at dealer inventory of any model and you will find very few lower trim models. Take a kia telluride for example the start a little over 35k. You may find one in inventory aruond that price, but I guarantee you there will be around 10 with stickers about 50k. During the shortage people had to pay to get a car and it's left a bad taste in people's mouths.
It's not just vehicle pricing. It's also the high interest rates the greedy banks are charging on auto loans. We call dealerships greedy but let the lenders of the vehicles we purchase slide.
I've had a Buick Enclave for the last 3 years. No problems, loaded and very comfortable with a 3.6L six cylinder. I previously had a Traverse and traded it in at 135K miles. That was a pretty good car, too.
Don't think the downsize hurt the Mx-5. Annual ND sales on average are slightly stronger each year than the NC, apart from the NC's first 2 years. I know a few people waiting and hoping on an infotainment update considering the next model year is coming up.
For the better part of a decade the Miata has outsold the Lexus RC, LC, Infiniti q60, Nissan Z (both new and 370 when that was around), Porsche Cayman and Boxster combined, Honda S2000, Alfa Giulia and 4c, Toyota Supra, BMW Z4, Mercedes SL, and it's mostly tied the 86/BRZ. Seems like the market is A-ok with the Miatas' value and price point. Every single one of those vehicles above are more powerful, some degree or another of faster in a straight line, and bigger. And yet if you've driven a Miata through the mountains or on a good windy backroad: as far as driving experiences go there's nothing like it for the price. It's not a cruiser/muscle car with a haircut, it's not a grand tourer, it's a roadster. Different experience altogether.
The leaf and the Miata are both so long because of price. The leaf sold great when they did the $199 lease. That’s where it should be priced for being it’s nothing special. When you look at a 7 year old used car and it can do 30 miles on a full charge. That’s why it doesn’t sell.
Does this list show by region? Here in Montana they can't keep the Cherokee on the lot. If you drive down the hwy where I live it seems about every 3rd SUV is a Cherokee. I'm one of them. I got an offer from the dealer to pay mine off (owed 12k at the time) and give me 5k as downpayment and put me in a different vehicle so they had it to sell.
I have no idea why China still has “most favored nation” trade status. The theory was that if we opened trade with them in the 90’s it would moderate their behavior. It did not have that effect. They are a belligerent nation and I believe we will ultimately be embroiled in a serious conflict, either economic or military. The more manufacturing we transfer there, the stronger they become. When it comes to many consumer products, I have no other options than to purchase something manufactured in China but with cars, I do. I will purchase something else.
Yeah you hit it right on the Miata , that passenger side floor is too tight , my wife would complain on anything over going to the milk store. She’s 5,8” and she would have a complaint.
I know they are known for problems but my 2019 Cherokee Overland V6 has been completely trouble free so far in the 40K miles I’ve put on it. And it’s got every option you could put on them and everything has worked flawlessly
I think the problems with the Miata are, as you said size, but I also don't think that it's doing well as a club racer. The older Miatas, whether new or used were excellent candidates for racing. It didn't take a lot of extra money to prep one for the track and there would be so many that they were sometimes raced as their own class.
I was surprised for the miata being on the list because here in Canada it’s hard to find a brand new one with stick shift so I was wondering if the ones that are hard to sell are the automatic GT ones
I've been eyeballing a couple of 2023 Dodge Challenger Rt and Scatpack. One of them has been on the lot for 3 months possibly longer because that's when I saw it.
People will have hesitations on used EVs until charging is improved and battery life is proven. Look at what Lexus just did with RZ. Only so many fast charging cycles and etc.
Good vid. Please lose the distracting background music. Thank you. Also, you showed footage of the Land Rover Discovery and not the Discovery Sport. They are 2 different models.
The Cherokee is very understandable. One of the last remnants of the Fiat junk they slapped a Jeep badge on. I get the fact they were trying to capitalize on name recognition but try a worthy vehicle. Don't get me stared on the Blazer and the bigger disappoint, the Bronco. Ford slaps that name on anything with 4 wheels.
My mother has a 2015 and it has never been to the dealership since new, but low miles. My wife drove one for three years, no issues but a battery and a check engine light from her over filling up the neck
Thanks for info your knowledge guys, about Miata nice car and agree with you I'm 5.8. Tall and I tried for few minutes in Ny auto show and figured my self 2 oh 3 hours drive will be uncomfortable.
Electric cars have a long way to go before being just expensive toys. Rented a model 3 to go on a 250 mile round trip. Had to stop twice to charge. Also an EV fire at a local townhouse development burned down 8 houses. EV charging in parking structures or underground parking is banned in parts of Britain.
There is no better lux SUV pluggable then the Black Label Aviator! I drove it coast to coast, day trips, and all around town now for three years now. I get 30 MPG highway and with the 20 mile battery I can do all our errands while paying 9 cents per Kwh! But the best is 500 HP with 600 lbs torque and 0-60 in 5.0 sec! And that’s in a 5800 lbs car!.
In no real order: Buick Enclave, Buick Envision, Chevy Blazer, Chrysler 300, Mazda MX5 Miata, Nissan Leaf, Rangerover, Landrover Discovery Sport, Tesla Model X, Tesla Model S, Infiniti QX80, Ford Edge, Lincoln Aviator, Jeep Cherokee, Ford Mustang, and Mustang Mach-E
The Buick Envision is actually a very nice car. It is under the radar, under rated and easily overlooked. I have a 2021and love it. The only knock is it's made in China. Btw you showed a picture of the Buick Envista, not the Envision.
I believe the Cherokee is being hurt by the redesign compass. I have seen compasses popping up all over the place. Even my wife choose a Compass Trailhawk over a cherokee limited. Based off looks alone
Just got our 2021 Aviator Hybrid back from the dealership after $10,200 worth of warranty work. It has been a good family hauler, and I think it looks good, but have to worry about the reliability.
Xt4 is a fine driving suv. Unfortunate about the generic GM styling. What? They can't sell a Land Rover? Maybe they need to offer a 10year 150K mile bumper to bumper warranty. But that would probably bankrupt the company.
@@242HP Roman also talks about the full-size Discovery from Iceland as if it is the Discovery Sport. Very awkward conversation when they both don't understand the vehicle they're discussing.
Hyundai and Kia killing sales because they are still more affordable…….. more manufacturers should look at always keeping prices affordable so everyone can enjoy a new vehicle once and awhile.
I must be lucky because I own both an older Range Rover Supercharged and an LR3/Discovery 3 and they have been rock solid reliable. I’ve driven them on long multi State trips without any problem.
The '23 Mustang would be my choice as to the one to buy, but the GT Premiums I've driven are exceedingly painful when it comes to their anemic single digit fuel mileage (as reported in the dash screen) with somewhat spirited driving. With sedate (i.e., boring) legal limited freeway driving I managed to get about 17 mpg, which is about what I get with my relatively ancient '96 Porsche 993. When I was looking, some of the local dealers had new '23 GT Premiums as low as $40K, though most were still pricing the cars in the upper 40s. But the '23 GT Premium S550 would be the one I'd get...if I could get over the paltry fuel economy. Besides, the front face of the '24 Mustang seems to borrow too heavily from the face of the last Camaro; not exactly a look that any Ford guy (which I'm really not) would want. And even though I'm not a Ford fanboy, if I DO buy a Ford I don't want it to remind me and other car enthusiasts of a Chevy. As for the rest of the cars on your two lists; I can't ever imagine myself owning a Land Rover product. Everyone I know who's owned one has had more than their fair share of reliability woes. The Miata is the Miata; fun to drive in virtually all of its past and present iterations, but it's just not as special as it once was when the "affordable" sports car market was more their own. I've owned Nissans/Datsuns in the past and I think I've pretty much had my fill of them. Aside from a chance of owning a R34 generation of Godzilla or maybe a turbo 300ZX Z32, there aren't a lot of models that are bucket list-worthy. And besides, neither of those qualify to be on your lists. Most of the SUVs and CUVs are just forgettable to me, so they're not particularly appealing. The Cherokee was once the king of SUVs but past experience with older faulty and unreliable generations of them has tainted my thoughts regarding the name plate. The 300 however has a coolness factor even though sedans are (I think unfairly) currently passé in the overall eyes of the marketplace. I don't see myself owning one, but I do think that they're pretty good looking as sedans go and perhaps could be a muscle car-ish collectible in the future given the right spec and engine (HEMI V-8 all day long).
I stopped at the Mustang GT. Also, nobody buys the GT for gas mileage-- I didn't!! Buy an ecoboost for the MPG.. Didn't read the rest of your vomment.. too long for me!! Sorry!!!
Just my opinion I am thinking there is going to be a pull-back from pure EV's; PHEV's of decent size (BMW X5) have 50 miles of EV only range however have a ICE engine so there is no need to worry about range, ever. We have one, and for most driving the 50 mile range covers it; we added a 220 outlet to the garage and it fully charges ~53 miles in 3 hours. I fact I have on the calendar, every two months turn off EV mode so that gas doesn't go bad in the tank. Otherwise a tank of gas would last 6 months or more. We traded in a Volvo XC60 PHEV for the BMW, the Volvo was just too small for us, it was averaging 90 miles to a gallon, would fully charge on 120 in 12 hours.
The average priced new vehicle in the US is $48,000 in 2023. I was sticker shocked, but most new vehicles sold are full sized trucks & SUVs. There you have it. Unreal.
"Older electric cars don't have much shelf life... because they age like any technology". To me this is another mark against electric cars, as a society can we really afford to dispose of cars like we do cell phones? I guess an opportunity for vehicle recycling exist there.
you added the Lincoln Aviator but forgot to do research that, its got a stop sale, so its sitting in a lot, the cars are already sold, they just cant be delivered till the Camera issue is fixed. Disappointed with your research.
Do this again with Andre. Roman is a very clever guy, all comments are on point. However, Nathan can’t keep up with him. Andre is smart too and very knowledgeable. Going forward, do this with Andre 😉
I wanted to buy an Miata ND when they came out. Ran to the auto show to get a glimpse and I was so disappointed. It's too small! I need to pop the top to get in! I thought it was Cayman size from the pics. I thought they would add a V6. Perhaps a twin turbo? Regarding the mustangs, they make too many rental mustangs. The one you want to buy is still hard to come by.
Neither of the vehicles shown in the video was a Discovery Sport. They were full-sized Discovery's. The Sport is a horrible, small, underpowered SUV with a thirsty engine that used to recommend premium fuel with an average-sized fuel tank (17 or 18 gallons) that's not big enough, it seems. I've owned Land Rovers and Range Rovers, so I've been to the dealership and have had the Discovery Sport as a loaner. After doing about 50 miles (home, the post office, and back to the dealership), I was below a quarter tank; sure, it only had half a tank when I got it. But still, that's pretty bad, never mind the fact that they are way overpriced.
I would rather buy a mid-2010's Honda Odyssey Touring eight-passenger minivan with the six-speed automatic transmission, as well as the 3.5 L V6 engine than any of these other vehicles.
I love my 2023 Jeep Compass Latitude, I bought the first one in LA I did a factory order there were no '23's on any lot in LA when I bought mine, there was a ton of the '22 but they don't have the turbo and I wanted a light color interior not black, I hate black color interiors so I did my special order. It took 2 days to be built to my exact request from the configurator and then 2 months to get delivery of my laser blue pearl jeep MP with 2.0 turbo 8spd 4x4. Its a quick little SUV and for me who never lets anyone else in my car its perfect. I wanna remove the 2nd row seats get a portal lift, bigger offroad wheels, and a winch one day in the future.
Wish I could get a Blazer in 65.9 days, mine was ordered in May of this year as there none that are not sold on lots here in Michigan Mine is due to arrive January. AWD 6 cyl.
Aside from the fact that it's no longer a true off-roader like the former Blazer, it's also now made in Mexico. I don't know why anyone would support an "American" car company that doesn't support American workers by building its vehicles in the US.
Local Ford dealer in my area had a firm $10,000 market adjustment on Mach E.....now, the same dealer has 13 of them in stock and....$0 adjustment 😮
I love Karma 😂
I hope they rust to the ground.
Or burn
Sweet car, it would be the ev i would buy.. low price, looks great too.
Given the track record of EVs, other than someone who is in the business with something to gain, purchasers do not like to be the source of experimentation for OEMs. Customers buy from people who they trust and lack of credability is now an issue for car mfgs and dealers.
The reason new Miatas aren't selling is because they raised the price $8k over the last 3 years. 30% price increase
This. They're wayyyy to expensive. There's nothing mindblowing performance wise
Sport cars selling for so expensive. Then companies wonder why they don’t sell.
Totally agree! In my country the base starts at over $35k and the GT at $42k. Thats before dealer fee's and our sales tax. So basically you can't even get into a base one for under $40k out the door anymore and that's the base model - the minimum spec you'd want with the LSD is about $45k with tax and fee's.
You kinda know the demographic that Mazda is going for as it prioritizes marketing lane departure warning and auto highbeamsm etc. It's not the fun affordable zippy little corner carver anymore. Well, it truly is, but there's a reason you typically see 65+ year olds plodding around in new auto trans ones almost exclusively.
exacty. they arent worth over 25k
Hey Mazda, make a 3.0L V12 Miata
The Jeep Cherokee has suffered from reliability issues, especially electrical and electronic issues, since its introduction in 2014. For years, its 9-speed automatic was a rough shifting, gear-hunting transmission. What probably dunked the Cherokee in 2023 was Jeep ceasing to offer the 3.2 V6 engine. Jeep's 2.0L turbo does not have a very good reputation for reliability or longevity. By comparison, the 3.2 V6 wasn't too bad. And, of course, price. Back in 2019-20, one could buy a pretty loaded new Cherokee Trailhawk in the $30K range in actual out-the-door price. In 2020, I looked at 2019 in perfect condition with under 26K miles that I could have bought for $19K from a Jeep dealer.
I had a 2019 3.2 and never had any issues with it. I did not like the way the motor performed in traffic though. I’m much happier with the 3.6 in the Gladiator, but it is so much less efficient.
The "gear hunting" is a complaint from people that don't understand how transmissions with a lot of gears work. They are intended to shift a lot to keep the engine in its torque band. The people that complain are used to 3-4 speed autos that shift to a gear and for the most part stay in that gear for a large speed range.
My neighbor across the street went from a Hyundai Santa Fe to the Jeep TrailHawk and absolutely loves it. She bought it right before her husband (my good friend) passed away. He was a big car freak always switching out cars every year or so. She sold his Challenger 392 after he passed.
I remind her every month to drive down the dirt road on her way to the car wash and put it into 4 wheel drive to keep the transfer case and front diff lubed up. She is such a great friend of the family.
I have a 2019 Cherokee TrailHawk with the V6. I’d say I like it but don’t love it but it’s really hard to find an SUV with 4 Low, a rear locker, and almost 9 inches of ground clearance for a similar price. The transmission is annoying at times but not terrible. My biggest complaint is probably the size. I wish it was a little bigger for all my fishing gear.
The Cherokee does NOT suffer from those issues. They are features of the car! 😁 New Cherokee have nothing on old ones! 💯
They wouldn’t necessarily have to make the Miata bigger overall, they just need to modify the interior slightly. They can reposition the seat tracks and compromise a couple of inches of trunk space, then maybe add an inch or so of leg room to the footwell. People don’t generally buy those for their trunk capacity. They buy them to track and cruise around in. Trunk space is just a bonus and you can pack light for long trips.
It's been out long enough for a complete redesign.
I'm waiting for the next gen 4RUNNER.
@@berniemadoff7837 I agree it’s been a few years now. This is just type of car that probably won’t compromise handling and rigidity to make more room. They could tweak this platform a little bit, but I can’t see Mazda dumping much into their one niche car. They only sell a few hundred per month, maybe a thousand sales a month. I like Toyotas. I rented a Camry a couple years ago. Drove it from here in Myrtle Beach, SC to Appleton Wisconsin in a day. That was probably 1,500+ miles with little fatigue. I’ve yet to drive a 4Runner or any of their truck based vehicles, but despite the low mpg, I know they must be comfortable. I also drove a Highlander last year, it was comfortable.
Everyone wants a truuuuckk. Cars don’t sell well 🤷🏻♂️
Jeep products (and for that matter Stellantis products) seem to be victim of dealers thinking they need to "collect" vehicles on the lot and not sell them - apparently they haven't gotten the "memo" that most of the supply chain and inventory issues are (mostly) over and it's time to start making deals again. When a moderately equipped Renegade is topping $40k (based on addendums) it's time to wax up the water skis and prepare to jump the shark... I just laugh because I'm probably not going to buy one anyways but would consider a RAM truck or a Jeep Wrangler or Jeep Truck but the prices are just too darn high...
been a ram owner for years.... not that we liked them... over all they were a cheaper price. Now rams can easily top $90,000.oo bucks. There must be plenty of Xtupid buyers out there who get an 84 to 96 month loan on a truck that might only hold together for 5yrs. The U.S. FED is propping up these companies... and the big three know their JUNK well eventually cost so much to repair... that customers are forced to pay slave prices. UNFORTUNATELY there is no competition. U.S. manufacturers have the GOV support to restrict production.
People are speculating that they stuffed the dealer channels in preparation for a prolonged UAW strike.
Keep In mind the Renegade is a gussied up Fiat 500x with a Jeep badge. How do I know, I used to work for them.
It's insane that someone would buy ANY Renegade at a price that is in the same ballpark as a 4Runner...even a used 4Runner would be a far better value.
Insane. I don't know where they find these buyers.
If you value your money don’t waste it on a Jeep. I’d say try a Tacoma or Nissan Frontier if you want a truck or any Japanese brand suv over a wrangler.
128 days on the lot and still marked up
We were able to lease a Avenir AWD Envision almost a year ago. It was what they had on the lot so we went with it. Dealer went under MSRP to move it since they had it for a while. Its been flawless over and back mountain passes on a weekly basis in the PNW and its almost at 20k miles. Its definitely worth taking a look at it if you can score a great deal.
You mentioned a Buick Envision as a slow selling used car, but showed an Envistas which isn't even out yet! Whoops!!
I meant Envista. Whoops!! 😂
I came down here to say the same thing! Wrong video clips / photos both times it came up!
Cars are too expensive. That's why they don't sell.
They are expensive because that is what people wanted. They wanted SUVs with the extras. Just a few years ago they had all types of inexpensive cars that anyone could buy but people thought they were too good for them. The automakers cancelled all of their
cheap cars for that reason. I will say this if you want a big roomy SUV or Truck you are going to pay the price because they will always cost more than a car
And they are garbage.
Not mention interest rates
close! It is what they were told they wanted
It’s sad what happened to us with those rates and MRSP so high some people can afford it so other they can’t not Gas prices income inflation it’s tough people the get smarter man all Dealerships around Miami and Hollywood FL pack of inventory
The OGs. Always great to see you guys together.
You showed footage of the Buick Envista, not the Buick Envision.
I think who cares was the point it’s Buick
They're Buicks, nobody buys them.
Buick has way too many cars starting with “E” - I have no idea which is which.
@Joherandez-jz4jn Americans don't buy Buicks... if it were based on the American market Buick would be liquidated faster than you can say bankruptcy.
The one and only reason Buick still exists, is that for some strange reason, Buick is a status symbol in China, and Buicks sell like hotcakes over there.
@@wolfshanze5980- Funny, I sure see a ton of Buicks all over the roads in my area & my friends that own them, love them…
It all comes down to price, Buick products are far too expensive for what you get, especially comparing them to their competition.
We agree with Nathan, the Ford Mach E is NOT, just NOT, a Mustang, I wish that Jim Farley would tell his people to stop calling it that. (This opinion is from me and four of my friends :)
I wish Jim Farley would just stop.
I got a Ford edge sport, and it's actually a great and relatively fast vehicle. 360hp if I remember correctly, and has everything you could possibly want.
I love the Miata. My wife and I are shorter so it works for us. A Miata is very likely our next vehicle.
I’m 6’1” and love my Miata.
The ND / ND2 4th generation Miata is very light. That is the reason it handles unlike any other cars including the BRZ / 86 twins. Not made for fat people TFL. I love my 2016 Club soft top & its amazing in the snow with winter tires too. These cars are easy to work on for maintenance & have an amazing assortment of quality aftermarket parts. When I bought this car my garage got much bigger !
You are showing the video of the Buick Envista, not Envision. Both times. Incidentally, the Envision is a very nice reliable car. It lacks a bit in power, but the rest of the car is well done.
Don't most of these dealerships buy cars on loan? So having them sit for 30 days or more means they have to pay interest on them, which is just straight money lost. You'd think they'd be more motivated to sell them, but they aren't in my area.
The Land Rover, like most high end cars, is great until the warranty runs out, which is fine for those who can afford a new one. But for those looking for a good used car, they are best avoided.
Problem with the Miata is the fact that it's not a practical car. It's a 2nd or 3rd car which is why it takes longer to sell. I own and daily drive a '21 Club soft top and I love the car, but it was a 3rd vehicle for me...now a second that I sold my motorcycle. I can daily the car since my kid is now off in college.
New takes longer to sell because Mazda upped the price. Notice it wasn't listed on the Used car list as being tough to sell. In fact when I went to figure out how much my 2016 Club soft top was worth the next week had dealers calling me everyday trying to pry my car away from me. Same thing when the pandemic hit my local Mazda dealer would send me a monthly letter stating how much they would give for my car.
Yup, in a day and age where people can barely afford to keep a roof over their head or even 1-2 vehicles, insurance and taxes have gone up, etc...having toy vehicles just doesn't make sense for most households.
It was nice to hear you talk once an a wile between the ads!
One of the most fun cars I have ever bought is a 2015 Chevy Spark EV. Not much range, but it was only $12,500. It reminds me of my Fiesta ST.
Sounds good for daily around town ..
Yes, fun doesn’t have to mean expensive. A favorite of mine was my brother in law’s old Fiat diesel stick shift.
128 days, manufacturers must be loving the flooring fee
I guess the video insert for the Dicovery Sport relates for the other Discovery, the bigger one, not the Sport variant which is mentioned at the video
Speaking of Chevy mistakes. I bought a new Chevrolet Trailblazer in 2004. Body on Frame, terrific 275 hp inline 6 DOHC engine, 4WD, low range transfer case, towing package (6000 lbs), underbody protection, recovery hooks, etc. It is pretty good off road - would be even better if Chevy had evolved it with a rear locker/limited slip diff and 2 inches of lift. Love the car but after 225k miles I decided to get another primary vehicle (still have the TB as a utility vehicle, though). I would have definitely got another one - except Chevy punted on vehicles in this class. Got a Grand Cherokee Trailhawk instead in '21. At least Jeep didn't forget about its heritage.
The Cherokee trailhawk is a FIAT piece of junk. In 5 years it'll be a maintenance nightmare
Many of these cars would sell better if they were cheaper. E.g. the Mustang. The whole point of the pony car is that it's cheap and powerful. But noooo, lets make it expensive and then complain about low sales😅
Only thing risker than buying a used Land Rover product is buying any used EV.
If that were true of Teslas then the residual values would be in the same toilet as Land Rovers.
Used land rovers with crappy bmw engines. Overly engineered and problematic.
Dealers paid too much and want to make a huge profit. The issue is you can buy it new for the same price.
Don’t assume that dealers are willing to deal. In 2015 when the redesigned Mustang came out my local dealer had a 2014 model which he wouldn’t discount. That car sat there for 2 more years while he dug in his heels and refused to drop the price. You still see ADMs and junk options slapped on top of the sticker. It’s no wonder people are walking away.
What are the top 10 fastest selling new/used cars?
Chrylaser 300 is a great car. Doesnt have all the new tech standard. 30 mpg on the highway with AWD with the 3.6L. I just bougjt my 2nd, a 2020 model.
And a popular model to be chased and pitted by the Arkansas State Police.
@@garygeorge9648Unless it's black. Those seem to get away 😁
I feel like they get a super bad rep with the older drug dealer/RR sticker/gangster mods people do in some areas
My neighbor had a Land Rover Evoqe. He had the transmission replaced under warranty but said it would have been around $15k without the warranty. That's a car that you don't call a tow truck when it breaks down, you just walk away.
The trick with the Evoque is to call a Ford dealer, it's an Edge underneath
The only feeling that vehicle evokes is deep lasting regret.
I picked up a used Cherokee a year and a half ago,Got an absolute screaming deal on it. Its a 2020 with the v6 … almost fully loaded. Had 23k miles on it . Its been reliable, no issues. Its almost at 60k miles now, i drive it a lot .
Chrysler cuts too many corners when making cars
@@tinleo3339 yeah, it’s all just a math equation. I could replace the motor in my jeep Three times and still not have paid as much as a equivalent spec RAV4 or CRV. Everyone’s situation is different, with the right deal and the right financing Chrysler can make sense.
The falcon wing doors are a game changer. Everyone I know with a Model X loves them. No problems with them after 40K miles on a 2019.
Game changer? Really? Don’t think so…
@@billisdewillis5 Do you have kids?
Miata also only has a payload rating of 320 lbs. 320 lbs for two Americans isn't much.
I'd feel very comfortable saying that a vast majority of people +/- 90% only use their cars to get back and forth to work. For practical purposes what's the point of buy a vehicle with a bunch of bells and whistles that you're probably not going to use.
I went that route once. I sat in my driveway one day with my fully loaded 2020 Cadillac CTS realized that I don't used most of options, touch screen settings or barely use the GPS and the cameras. I traded it in for a 2021 chevy colorado WT. But I also bought a really cool ATV with the leftover money. 😅
I feel like the current gen Nissan Murano is one of the most iconic "boring cars" of the 2010s. I dont know why I think that but it stands out much more than any of other Nissans normal generic cars. I see a lot of them too.
The Convertible is the only one to get.
The OG of TFL buddy teams! More Roman and Nathan! Woo hoo! YMMV, but I really love the chemistry of these videos!
PS - I have been on a Range Rover / Mustang phase lately. Mostly trying to talk the wife out of liking the range rovers and me having always wanting a manual mustang.
When I test drove the new Blazer. The salesman asked what I thought so I told him. I felt like it was a rebadged equinox which I had owned for a year.
How much do you think dealer adjustment pricing affects the vehicles being on this list?
The MX-5 Miata surprises me - when I've looked for another one (sold my RF when prices were insane during the lockdown and made bank) they're not easy to find (in any trim) and when you do they won't deal on them - I'm probably only in the market for one of these for another couple years as I'm getting up there in years and can't justify getting in and out of it. For whatever reason my 2 door Mini JCW is easy and it's much quieter on the road (less fun even JCW) then the MX-5 but more practical....
I'm 28 and wish I could afford a new Miata.
@@fortheloveofnoise Yeah, that's an issue. I bought my first one in '97 and even then a base Miata had risen from the '90 debute of $9999 to $22,000 in '97. My '21 Club with Brembos ran me like $38k out the door and I put money down.
@@nitzerebbhead I have a 2016 Club soft top with the Brembo / BBS package & when I bought ( 1st week of March 2017 ) the RFs had just come out. $9,500 less than you paid. The 2023 Sport model does sell under $30,000 though.
I don't imagine base model 5.0 manual mustangs as being the issue with sitting on a lot for long. They are completely in an unmatched sweet spot when it comes to dollars/HP, so having it specified as such is unrealistic. They sell themselves.
What is staying on the lot in the Mustang world are the bloated, heavily optioned cars that dealerships and manufacturers thought would sell like hotcakes.
Well if you load up a Mustang, you get close to the realm of say a base model Corvette and a lot of other cars. Enough so that the loaded Mustangs price themselves out of the running.
Try to find a base 5.0 with a stick. Lemme know about that big discount you're expecting.
Cheers.
I was never a Corvette guy, but this new gen Corvette seriously seems world class in handling and power.
Might even get the Z06 for shits and giggles. 😂
The lots were full of loaded cars because of the chip shortages the past couple of years. In those days if you have one chip to put in a car are you going to build a 25k car or are you going to put every option you can to build a 35k car. Take a look at dealer inventory of any model and you will find very few lower trim models. Take a kia telluride for example the start a little over 35k. You may find one in inventory aruond that price, but I guarantee you there will be around 10 with stickers about 50k. During the shortage people had to pay to get a car and it's left a bad taste in people's mouths.
It's not just vehicle pricing. It's also the high interest rates the greedy banks are charging on auto loans. We call dealerships greedy but let the lenders of the vehicles we purchase slide.
I've had a Buick Enclave for the last 3 years. No problems, loaded and very comfortable with a 3.6L six cylinder. I previously had a Traverse and traded it in at 135K miles. That was a pretty good car, too.
They have so little to say about the Envision, they don’t even show an Envision.
Don't think the downsize hurt the Mx-5. Annual ND sales on average are slightly stronger each year than the NC, apart from the NC's first 2 years.
I know a few people waiting and hoping on an infotainment update considering the next model year is coming up.
It's too expensive for what it is. Shouldn't be more than $30k OTD with all of the bells and whistles. It's a tiny car with simple features
@@Striker50_ you're not paying for space, you're paying for the chassis and lightweight. See: Lotus. Otherwise just get a mustang convertible
@@markcoopers1930 Not a bad idea, maybe that's why many more people buy the mustang
@Striker50_ Popular 2+2 coupes are almost guaranteed to sell 50% more than an unpopular 2 seat roadster, so that's not a surprise.
For the better part of a decade the Miata has outsold the Lexus RC, LC, Infiniti q60, Nissan Z (both new and 370 when that was around), Porsche Cayman and Boxster combined, Honda S2000, Alfa Giulia and 4c, Toyota Supra, BMW Z4, Mercedes SL, and it's mostly tied the 86/BRZ.
Seems like the market is A-ok with the Miatas' value and price point. Every single one of those vehicles above are more powerful, some degree or another of faster in a straight line, and bigger. And yet if you've driven a Miata through the mountains or on a good windy backroad: as far as driving experiences go there's nothing like it for the price. It's not a cruiser/muscle car with a haircut, it's not a grand tourer, it's a roadster. Different experience altogether.
The leaf and the Miata are both so long because of price. The leaf sold great when they did the $199 lease. That’s where it should be priced for being it’s nothing special. When you look at a 7 year old used car and it can do 30 miles on a full charge. That’s why it doesn’t sell.
Does this list show by region? Here in Montana they can't keep the Cherokee on the lot. If you drive down the hwy where I live it seems about every 3rd SUV is a Cherokee. I'm one of them. I got an offer from the dealer to pay mine off (owed 12k at the time) and give me 5k as downpayment and put me in a different vehicle so they had it to sell.
I believe the Buick Envision is manufactured in China. That’s a deal breaker for me.
The IPhone is made in China, seems to do okay...
Every time something says “Made in USA” it means assembled in USA with parts manufactured in China
I have no idea why China still has “most favored nation” trade status. The theory was that if we opened trade with them in the 90’s it would moderate their behavior. It did not have that effect. They are a belligerent nation and I believe we will ultimately be embroiled in a serious conflict, either economic or military.
The more manufacturing we transfer there, the stronger they become. When it comes to many consumer products, I have no other options than to purchase something manufactured in China but with cars, I do. I will purchase something else.
@@joethetrucker6834 because they’re not lazy
When the UAW prices US auto workers out of the market everything will be made in China and everywhere else. Better get used to it.☹️
Yeah you hit it right on the Miata , that passenger side floor is too tight , my wife would complain on anything over going to the milk store. She’s 5,8” and she would have a complaint.
I know they are known for problems but my 2019 Cherokee Overland V6 has been completely trouble free so far in the 40K miles I’ve put on it. And it’s got every option you could put on them and everything has worked flawlessly
That means it's due for a major maintenance issue.
Look at the all new Grand Highlander or even the regular Highlander.
With 40,000 miles it should be.
It's not even broke in.
I guess I take for granted the jdm stuff too much.
I considered the Jeep Cherokee. A few on the local dealers lot was good. Zero off msrp was bad. Haven't bought anything yet.
I think the problems with the Miata are, as you said size, but I also don't think that it's doing well as a club racer. The older Miatas, whether new or used were excellent candidates for racing. It didn't take a lot of extra money to prep one for the track and there would be so many that they were sometimes raced as their own class.
I was surprised for the miata being on the list because here in Canada it’s hard to find a brand new one with stick shift so I was wondering if the ones that are hard to sell are the automatic GT ones
I can't imagine anyone buying or even wanting a miata with an automatic transmission.
I guess the Envision is so popular no one noticed that you showed the Envista 😅
I've been eyeballing a couple of 2023 Dodge Challenger Rt and Scatpack. One of them has been on the lot for 3 months possibly longer because that's when I saw it.
Right an $80K vehicle is somehow hard to sell. 🤷🏻♂️
People will have hesitations on used EVs until charging is improved and battery life is proven. Look at what Lexus just did with RZ. Only so many fast charging cycles and etc.
What did Lexus do with the RZ?
Good vid. Please lose the distracting background music. Thank you.
Also, you showed footage of the Land Rover Discovery and not the Discovery Sport. They are 2 different models.
The Envision, Blazer and AT4? Don’t they share the same platform?
The Cherokee is very understandable. One of the last remnants of the Fiat junk they slapped a Jeep badge on. I get the fact they were trying to capitalize on name recognition but try a worthy vehicle. Don't get me stared on the Blazer and the bigger disappoint, the Bronco. Ford slaps that name on anything with 4 wheels.
My mother has a 2015 and it has never been to the dealership since new, but low miles. My wife drove one for three years, no issues but a battery and a check engine light from her over filling up the neck
Thanks for info your knowledge guys, about Miata nice car and agree with you I'm 5.8. Tall and I tried for few minutes in Ny auto show and figured my self 2 oh 3 hours drive will be uncomfortable.
I just want an affordable used Toyota 4wd Tacoma, tundra, or 4Runner. With no turbo, electric, or hybrid engines.
Good luck 😮
Nissan trucks are also good and you can save a lot over the Toyota equivalent
Electric cars have a long way to go before being just expensive toys. Rented a model 3 to go on a 250 mile round trip. Had to stop twice to charge. Also an EV fire at a local townhouse development burned down 8 houses. EV charging in parking structures or underground parking is banned in parts of Britain.
EVs are extraordinarily unpopular among the great masses of Americans. Toyota is smart going conservatively and featuring hybrids.
There is no better lux SUV pluggable then the Black Label Aviator! I drove it coast to coast, day trips, and all around town now for three years now. I get 30 MPG highway and with the 20 mile battery I can do all our errands while paying 9 cents per Kwh! But the best is 500 HP with 600 lbs torque and 0-60 in 5.0 sec! And that’s in a 5800 lbs car!.
What'd you pay for it if you don't mind telling everyone?
In no real order: Buick Enclave, Buick Envision, Chevy Blazer, Chrysler 300, Mazda MX5 Miata, Nissan Leaf, Rangerover, Landrover Discovery Sport, Tesla Model X, Tesla Model S, Infiniti QX80, Ford Edge, Lincoln Aviator, Jeep Cherokee, Ford Mustang, and Mustang Mach-E
The Buick Envision is actually a very nice car. It is under the radar, under rated and easily overlooked. I have a 2021and love it. The only knock is it's made in China. Btw you showed a picture of the Buick Envista, not the Envision.
Didn't like the look... Bought an XT4 for some extra bucks.. same car, just way better looking!!!
The Buick Envision you are showing video of is actually the Buick Envista
I believe the Cherokee is being hurt by the redesign compass. I have seen compasses popping up all over the place. Even my wife choose a Compass Trailhawk over a cherokee limited. Based off looks alone
I agree with the 5.0 manual poverty spec…but the modal exhaust is worth the $$$.
I can say with a high level of certainty I have not seen an add for a Buick that wasn't a Enclave in a very long time
Just got our 2021 Aviator Hybrid back from the dealership after $10,200 worth of warranty work.
It has been a good family hauler, and I think it looks good, but have to worry about the reliability.
What'd it need for that price?
If they had brought back the Blazer as an actual off-roader like the Bronco and not as a generic crossover it would sell like crazy.
I have a 21, Cherokee Trailhawk and just love it.
Xt4 is a fine driving suv. Unfortunate about the generic GM styling. What? They can't sell a Land Rover? Maybe they need to offer a 10year 150K mile bumper to bumper warranty. But that would probably bankrupt the company.
Used electric cars are also suspect of battery life or failure issues
Hey guys, I would add the Ford Ecosport to your list, because it just was too small for our market, since it was an import from Ford's European arm.
Hey guys, you showed footage of the Land Rover Discovery. Not the Discovery Sport and when talking about the Envision you showed the Envista.
Apparently that was the footage they had on hand and they were too lazy to go out and shoot new footage of these vehicles.
@@242HP Roman also talks about the full-size Discovery from Iceland as if it is the Discovery Sport. Very awkward conversation when they both don't understand the vehicle they're discussing.
23’ Jeep Gladiators with $13k in discounts my local dealer has had 17 Mojave’s and 19 rubicons, with the discount $47k
Hyundai and Kia killing sales because they are still more affordable…….. more manufacturers should look at always keeping prices affordable so everyone can enjoy a new vehicle once and awhile.
I must be lucky because I own both an older Range Rover Supercharged and an LR3/Discovery 3 and they have been rock solid reliable. I’ve driven them on long multi State trips without any problem.
You should definitely be playing the lottery then.
@@Mythicregard 🤣😂👍
If the Mazda dealer in my area was actually willing to deal, I’d get another anther Miata
Three dealers in my city and only one doesn’t do the whole expensive add-on stuff
The 2023 Sport model sells for under $30,000. It sounds like your not trying that hard.
The '23 Mustang would be my choice as to the one to buy, but the GT Premiums I've driven are exceedingly painful when it comes to their anemic single digit fuel mileage (as reported in the dash screen) with somewhat spirited driving. With sedate (i.e., boring) legal limited freeway driving I managed to get about 17 mpg, which is about what I get with my relatively ancient '96 Porsche 993. When I was looking, some of the local dealers had new '23 GT Premiums as low as $40K, though most were still pricing the cars in the upper 40s. But the '23 GT Premium S550 would be the one I'd get...if I could get over the paltry fuel economy. Besides, the front face of the '24 Mustang seems to borrow too heavily from the face of the last Camaro; not exactly a look that any Ford guy (which I'm really not) would want. And even though I'm not a Ford fanboy, if I DO buy a Ford I don't want it to remind me and other car enthusiasts of a Chevy.
As for the rest of the cars on your two lists; I can't ever imagine myself owning a Land Rover product. Everyone I know who's owned one has had more than their fair share of reliability woes. The Miata is the Miata; fun to drive in virtually all of its past and present iterations, but it's just not as special as it once was when the "affordable" sports car market was more their own. I've owned Nissans/Datsuns in the past and I think I've pretty much had my fill of them. Aside from a chance of owning a R34 generation of Godzilla or maybe a turbo 300ZX Z32, there aren't a lot of models that are bucket list-worthy. And besides, neither of those qualify to be on your lists.
Most of the SUVs and CUVs are just forgettable to me, so they're not particularly appealing. The Cherokee was once the king of SUVs but past experience with older faulty and unreliable generations of them has tainted my thoughts regarding the name plate. The 300 however has a coolness factor even though sedans are (I think unfairly) currently passé in the overall eyes of the marketplace. I don't see myself owning one, but I do think that they're pretty good looking as sedans go and perhaps could be a muscle car-ish collectible in the future given the right spec and engine (HEMI V-8 all day long).
I stopped at the Mustang GT. Also, nobody buys the GT for gas mileage-- I didn't!! Buy an ecoboost for the MPG.. Didn't read the rest of your vomment.. too long for me!! Sorry!!!
Single digit mpgs? Is that real?? My truck w the 5.0 v8 gives me 15.4 mpg, and it’s a 4x4, leveled and w 35s! Something is off there….
did you consider if the cars sitting longer is due to insane dealer ADMs?
Yep, will not buy when MARKET ADJUSTMENT.
Won't even buy at MSRP!!! THEY CAN KEEP IT!!!
I love my Murano. It just works, rides great, and is super comfortable.
I worked @ the Cherokee assembly plant. They quit making it over a yr & a half ago.
Just my opinion I am thinking there is going to be a pull-back from pure EV's; PHEV's of decent size (BMW X5) have 50 miles of EV only range however have a ICE engine so there is no need to worry about range, ever. We have one, and for most driving the 50 mile range covers it; we added a 220 outlet to the garage and it fully charges ~53 miles in 3 hours. I fact I have on the calendar, every two months turn off EV mode so that gas doesn't go bad in the tank. Otherwise a tank of gas would last 6 months or more. We traded in a Volvo XC60 PHEV for the BMW, the Volvo was just too small for us, it was averaging 90 miles to a gallon, would fully charge on 120 in 12 hours.
The average priced new vehicle in the US is $48,000 in 2023. I was sticker shocked, but most new vehicles sold are full sized trucks & SUVs. There you have it. Unreal.
Murano is an awesome road trip car! Very nice ride.
Had one of those as a rental a while back. It`s a garbage truck.
"Older electric cars don't have much shelf life... because they age like any technology". To me this is another mark against electric cars, as a society can we really afford to dispose of cars like we do cell phones? I guess an opportunity for vehicle recycling exist there.
Automotive tech becomes obsolete as soon as the next model year comes out. The only tech I want is engine management
Love the Miata but it’s too expensive.
especially for what you get. It's a simple car with a little engine
It’s got a super build quality and it’s using expensive aluminum parts all over.
Nope, made in Japan quality.
you added the Lincoln Aviator but forgot to do research that, its got a stop sale, so its sitting in a lot, the cars are already sold, they just cant be delivered till the Camera issue is fixed. Disappointed with your research.
There's quite a few mistakes in this particular vid.
When the video started talking about Lincoln reliability problems a Lincoln ad started playing
Do this again with Andre. Roman is a very clever guy, all comments are on point. However, Nathan can’t keep up with him. Andre is smart too and very knowledgeable. Going forward, do this with Andre 😉
I wanted to buy an Miata ND when they came out. Ran to the auto show to get a glimpse and I was so disappointed. It's too small! I need to pop the top to get in! I thought it was Cayman size from the pics. I thought they would add a V6. Perhaps a twin turbo?
Regarding the mustangs, they make too many rental mustangs. The one you want to buy is still hard to come by.
Neither of the vehicles shown in the video was a Discovery Sport. They were full-sized Discovery's. The Sport is a horrible, small, underpowered SUV with a thirsty engine that used to recommend premium fuel with an average-sized fuel tank (17 or 18 gallons) that's not big enough, it seems. I've owned Land Rovers and Range Rovers, so I've been to the dealership and have had the Discovery Sport as a loaner. After doing about 50 miles (home, the post office, and back to the dealership), I was below a quarter tank; sure, it only had half a tank when I got it. But still, that's pretty bad, never mind the fact that they are way overpriced.
I would rather buy a mid-2010's Honda Odyssey Touring eight-passenger minivan with the six-speed automatic transmission, as well as the 3.5 L V6 engine than any of these other vehicles.
Weird choice 😂
Sienna any day.
Awesome vehicle
If UAW strike for a significant amount of time, we will be back to a shortage market for the big 3
I love my 2023 Jeep Compass Latitude, I bought the first one in LA I did a factory order there were no '23's on any lot in LA when I bought mine, there was a ton of the '22 but they don't have the turbo and I wanted a light color interior not black, I hate black color interiors so I did my special order. It took 2 days to be built to my exact request from the configurator and then 2 months to get delivery of my laser blue pearl jeep MP with 2.0 turbo 8spd 4x4. Its a quick little SUV and for me who never lets anyone else in my car its perfect. I wanna remove the 2nd row seats get a portal lift, bigger offroad wheels, and a winch one day in the future.
Its amazing how much some people hate Tesla, but love Range Rovers
Wish I could get a Blazer in 65.9 days, mine was ordered in May of this year as there none that are not sold on lots here in Michigan Mine is due to arrive January. AWD 6 cyl.
im glad to see the Blazer struggling. GM deserves to reap the downfalls from that idiotic decision.
Aside from the fact that it's no longer a true off-roader like the former Blazer, it's also now made in Mexico. I don't know why anyone would support an "American" car company that doesn't support American workers by building its vehicles in the US.