I do own or have owned the the Sennheiser PC 360, Sennheiser PC38X, Sennheiser HD 560S, Sennheiser HD 58X JUBILEE, Beyerdynamic DT 700 Pro and the Beyerdynamic 300R TYGR. Of all those I tend to reach for the Beyerdynamic 300R TYGR more often since they feel like a solid allrounder. They have good soundstage, maybe abit narrower then the Sennheiser PC38X but they also got sick imaging. The TYGR's are open headphones but still packs a punch in lows and can go deep in bass without being bloated. They doesn't feel super detailed but also lack their signature siblings that makes your ears bleed at times, still detailed enough to be immersive and good for both gaming and music. I just wish I had a good USB mic to pair with them and that's on my list to get along side with the urge to try out the new Beyerdynamic DT 900 Pro X and the Beyerdynamix MMX 100 headset. So many headphones/headsets! ;)
@@District.24 I haven't tried it, but I think I will try a pencil shotgun microphone so I can have it above my monitor aiming at my mouth instead of one up close in my face.
Thats the answer i was looking for. Im searching por a competitive headphone. I hear the tygr300r had the best imaging, and also hear good things about h6 pro. What do you think about them? Also, what amp/dac do you use for the tygr300r?
@@YTjuanchicod Hello! An interesting character I noticed between the Beyerdynamic 300R TYGR and the Sennheiser HD560S, was that the HD560S felt more natural, "cleaner" in its sound and a bit more detailed, which can be an advantage in itself in competetive games. BUT at the same time I experienced that the TYGR's has better imaging, which IS an advantage for pinpointing footsteps. Still they manage to have a warmer and punchier sound to everything else, like movies and music. HD560S has a more cold and analytical sound with more details. In this way, I would like to claim that both are good for competetive games, but chosed the TYGR's since I personally enjoyed them more and and felt better overall for me. In addition, more comfortable on the head due to Sennheisers very hard clamp out of the box. But you can't honestly go wrong with either one. When it comes to a DAC, don't get what I have :P I wanted a built-in sound card for some reason, so went with a Creative Soundblaster AE-5 Plus. But I use it in Direct-Mode (by-pass any filters or software effects). Which basicly means that I bought a feature rich sound card, but use none of them. Would have been better off with an external stand-alone DAC/AMP ;)
Thank god i saw this video. I have the exact same speakers logitech z906. Does the control console of the z906 (which has a 3.5mm headphone jack) good enough to drive high end headphones like the HD800s which i am thinking to buy.
THANKS FOR YOUR REVIEW, im lookinf to buy a close back headphones for gaming, what would be your personal recomendation for a closeback headphone for FPS gaming and listening music
Hey troy. Awesome reviews man. Just bought the pc38x just wondering did you get an aftermarket ear pad replacement? Stock ones arent very comfortable. Thanks in advance.
I might have. I have a vague memory of buying new pads. Not sure if it was for the PC38X or my AT-M40X. Nothing wrong in buying new pads if you want to.
I think I am going to buy the PC38X's to replace my Logitech G Pro X headset. I have owned it for 2 months and have done nothing but troubleshoot it to get good sound and still have had no luck. I even got a replacement from Logitech. Your video gave me that extra little bit of convincing I needed to just go ahead and buy this headset. There is an all black version currently on sale (still a few extra dollars) and I am gonna snag it up while I can. Thanks Troy!
Yes, they just released a black version of the PC38X. I wish I owned it. The PC38X is an excellent headset. I do find the H6Pro to be more comfortable with comparable sound and mic performance. Just remember that the PC38X is open-back. You'll get better sound from the velour pads, so you may wish to switch over to those when you get the headset. Be prepared for the strong clamping force. I found it to be way too much, and it took me several weeks to brake the headset in. I'm happy to say that it did eventually become comfortable enough for me to stop my whining and bitching :) Good luck to you!
@@District.24 why do you say taht the velour has better sound? ive been interested for so long and tried both but i stuck with the stock earpads coz those are the ones that the designers put on as default.
I'm sorry for the late reply. Different material on pads change the sound (as I'm sure you are aware). The velour have an nicer, clearer, not as bright, let the mids shine through sound signature that is better for FPS gaming, IMO, than the stock pads.
Im running the 990 Pro 250 ohms ive got no probleme with volume control pluggin it directly into the controller got the volume slider at 80 and chat slider at 20 and im always during down the master volume from the games master audio settings from 10 to 7 to tweak it to my liking.
Sound is subjective. What sounds loud to you is low to others. What is clear to you is muffled to others. At the end of the day we all buy what we need to help us reach the level of sound we require. I found what I was looking for in the PC38X. If it wasn’t so damn uncomfortable for me, I may have not found my way to the H6Pro. :)
IMO, it’s the H6PRO. It checks all the boxes for me. I play BFV with a squad of friends, and I usually take point, because I can hear better than my teammates. The mids are elevated on the H6PRO, so the footsteps really come through. Couple that with excellent imaging and a solid volume level, the H6PRO is an FPS players dream. PC38X definitely takes second spot.
This is the video I was looking for!! Btw I was thinking to buy these ones and incorporate them a mic, but, do you think the sound is good for it´s price? A friend of mine told me that in professional Headphones, sound is so good that it doesn´t woth to change because the improves in sound are tinier than in comercial headphones so I don´t know if this is true. I came from a Sony wh-xm3 so I think the sound difference will be huge, isn´t? Which ones do you recommend me to buy, I´m not an audiophile so I can´t notice about little details in sound. Good video!! You really helped me a lot :)
I think you should buy the Sennheiser + Drop PC38X. That headset checks all the boxes. If you are hell bent on having an audiophile level headphone than I would recommend the Sennheiser HD560S over the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro. The latter is really nice, but the former is better.
@@District.24 Be careful about the 560s. They are open backed and will bleed sound. For gaming where you want no outside sound interference closed back are the best.
The 560S, as you know, weren't built for gaming. But they do very well in gaming due to the neutral sound and superior imaging. If you have a quiet environment to game in then a open-back is not an issue, and acutally prefered by some.
I’m not aware of any sound leaking issues with the 38x’s. As a rule of thumb though, I save open-back headsets for non-multiplayer games because of that very issue. That’s why I don’t use the Cooler Master MH630’s. They leak big time for me.
It doesn’t happen on well made headsets (EPOS, Sennheiser, Beyerdynamic), but I’m experiencing it more and more on cheaper made headsets (Corsair, Logitech, Coolermaster). Open-back headsets are prone to this issue. It does happen on closed-back too. The way to test (a lot of Influencers fail to do this) is have your friends talk to you online - in and outside a game - and ask them if they can hear their own voice repeating back to them.
@@District.24 thanks I have a similar set of headphones. Out of the 3, Schiit help, mix amp pro and gsx1000. What would you say is the best for gaming? By gaming we are talking comp FPS such as COD or BF?
I love open back. As Flipout86 said, the PC38X is open back. It's nice to have a pair of closed back on hand though for those times when you don't want any sound leakage.
Btw,I like to play an fps,and I’m smth like a pro lvl gamer,bcuz Im spending pretty bunch of my time on 1-2 fps games & training in em,but at the same time I’m in love with music sooo far,what would be better for me? iem/ open /closed - back headset? Especially I’m thinking about ie300,sennheiser pc38x & beyerdynamic dt770 I’ll be much appreciated for help,especially from a creator himself 🙏🏼
It depends on how you like your music. If you like it untouched then I would suggest the HD560S. It has excellent imaging for FPS gaming. If you like a little more excitement in your tunes then the Tygr 300R and ATH- G1 are good choices. Straight up gaming, but decent for music would be the H6PRO and PC38X.
@@District.24 tysm,after reading your advice I think I’ll look hd560s,pc38x and my friend recommended my to try dt 700 pro x instead of dt770,so I’ll watch some reviews and I would try to find some time for checking up their sound in headphone-studio in my city Tysm again,God bless you bro 🙏🏼❤️
PC38X is getting my favor as it has no attitude on my mobile devices. Its higher sensitivity gives advantage and HD500 series earpads can be used (try HD599 brown earpads) and I think the sound is even better than HD599.
The issue with the 770 is because it’s a power hungry 250 ohm headphone and the pc38x is I believe is a 60 ohm headphone. so on a volume wheel the pc38x the volume is loud at 12 o’clock the 770 will be loud around 2 3 o’clock due to the ohms
The PC38X is 28 ohms and the version of DT 770 Pro I reviewed was 32 ohms. They come in 32, 80 and 250 ohms. Mine shouldn't have required an amp, but it certainly feels like it does.
Ooo ok gotcha at first running my hd800 and my Dt990 I also wondered why the 990 needed more power then the hd800 I looked into it and the bayers drive is just power hungry
DT 770 pro are not expensive. I think you are getting mixed up with the 1770 which are much more expensive. They are around 125 euros here in Europe which is cheap for a studio reference audiophile headphone. They are great for gaming [I have used mine for years now] and are perhaps better for open world rpg type games rather than manic shooter games.
@@District.24 I think I know why the dot 770’s don’t sound lound. I thinks it’s because you have the 32 ohm version and the 80 and 240 ohm version I have a little difference in volume it could also be the amp/dac you are using , because some amp/dac are and can get louder than others and I think with the higher ohms if you have a amp/ dac that can push and handle it it will sound better and prob louder. Also the sound will change if you plug it in to your mother board and make sure to also not use the front up of your pc. Last thing the higher in ohms in the headphones the better the sound gets not by a lot but still noticeable, and the price of them are only 120-170 idk why you say they are expensive because the sennhisers are more exsepsive at 200 or more, I’m also not including a amp/dac. Also if the clamping force is to much for you you can try and stretch it out by put something flat in the middle that kinda represents your/ a head and let it sit over night or for about a day and it should be fine
That would require a decent DAC and AMP, which I don't yet have. I'm currently eyeing the Schiit Hel 2 (PS5 compatible) to tide me over until I can buy the THX AAA One amp, and a decent DAC.
Actually the 800 is very efficient ohm driver the Bayerdynamic 250 ohm is harder to drive then the hd800 even the hd600 300 ohm is harder to drive then the hd800 headphone but I do agree amp needed I actually own the schiit hel2 and Blaster x g6 amp
@@fliptout86 what do you think is the best for competitive gaming between this amps? (Footsteps) also, does the 7.1 surround in the g6 really works and give you a competitive advantage?
I do own or have owned the the Sennheiser PC 360, Sennheiser PC38X, Sennheiser HD 560S, Sennheiser HD 58X JUBILEE, Beyerdynamic DT 700 Pro and the Beyerdynamic 300R TYGR. Of all those I tend to reach for the Beyerdynamic 300R TYGR more often since they feel like a solid allrounder. They have good soundstage, maybe abit narrower then the Sennheiser PC38X but they also got sick imaging. The TYGR's are open headphones but still packs a punch in lows and can go deep in bass without being bloated. They doesn't feel super detailed but also lack their signature siblings that makes your ears bleed at times, still detailed enough to be immersive and good for both gaming and music. I just wish I had a good USB mic to pair with them and that's on my list to get along side with the urge to try out the new Beyerdynamic DT 900 Pro X and the Beyerdynamix MMX 100 headset. So many headphones/headsets! ;)
What about the Beyerdynamic FOX USB microphone?
@@District.24 I haven't tried it, but I think I will try a pencil shotgun microphone so I can have it above my monitor aiming at my mouth instead of one up close in my face.
Thats the answer i was looking for. Im searching por a competitive headphone. I hear the tygr300r had the best imaging, and also hear good things about h6 pro. What do you think about them? Also, what amp/dac do you use for the tygr300r?
@@YTjuanchicod Hello! An interesting character I noticed between the Beyerdynamic 300R TYGR and the Sennheiser HD560S, was that the HD560S felt more natural, "cleaner" in its sound and a bit more detailed, which can be an advantage in itself in competetive games. BUT at the same time I experienced that the TYGR's has better imaging, which IS an advantage for pinpointing footsteps. Still they manage to have a warmer and punchier sound to everything else, like movies and music. HD560S has a more cold and analytical sound with more details. In this way, I would like to claim that both are good for competetive games, but chosed the TYGR's since I personally enjoyed them more and and felt better overall for me. In addition, more comfortable on the head due to Sennheisers very hard clamp out of the box. But you can't honestly go wrong with either one.
When it comes to a DAC, don't get what I have :P I wanted a built-in sound card for some reason, so went with a Creative Soundblaster AE-5 Plus. But I use it in Direct-Mode (by-pass any filters or software effects). Which basicly means that I bought a feature rich sound card, but use none of them. Would have been better off with an external stand-alone DAC/AMP ;)
Thank god i saw this video. I have the exact same speakers logitech z906. Does the control console of the z906 (which has a 3.5mm headphone jack) good enough to drive high end headphones like the HD800s which i am thinking to buy.
No. I don’t believe so.
THANKS FOR YOUR REVIEW, im lookinf to buy a close back headphones for gaming, what would be your personal recomendation for a closeback headphone for FPS gaming and listening music
EPOS H6PRO (closed).
@@District.24 thanks buddy
did you change the earcups? I believed the 32ohms comes with leatheratte pads
I can’t remember back that far. I sold that headphones ages ago.
Hey troy. Awesome reviews man. Just bought the pc38x just wondering did you get an aftermarket ear pad replacement? Stock ones arent very comfortable. Thanks in advance.
I might have. I have a vague memory of buying new pads. Not sure if it was for the PC38X or my AT-M40X. Nothing wrong in buying new pads if you want to.
I think I am going to buy the PC38X's to replace my Logitech G Pro X headset. I have owned it for 2 months and have done nothing but troubleshoot it to get good sound and still have had no luck. I even got a replacement from Logitech. Your video gave me that extra little bit of convincing I needed to just go ahead and buy this headset. There is an all black version currently on sale (still a few extra dollars) and I am gonna snag it up while I can.
Thanks Troy!
Yes, they just released a black version of the PC38X. I wish I owned it. The PC38X is an excellent headset. I do find the H6Pro to be more comfortable with comparable sound and mic performance. Just remember that the PC38X is open-back. You'll get better sound from the velour pads, so you may wish to switch over to those when you get the headset. Be prepared for the strong clamping force. I found it to be way too much, and it took me several weeks to brake the headset in. I'm happy to say that it did eventually become comfortable enough for me to stop my whining and bitching :) Good luck to you!
@@District.24 Thanks for the reply and the suggestion of switching the ear pads.
@@District.24 why do you say taht the velour has better sound? ive been interested for so long and tried both but i stuck with the stock earpads coz those are the ones that the designers put on as default.
I'm sorry for the late reply. Different material on pads change the sound (as I'm sure you are aware). The velour have an nicer, clearer, not as bright, let the mids shine through sound signature that is better for FPS gaming, IMO, than the stock pads.
Im running the 990 Pro 250 ohms ive got no probleme with volume control pluggin it directly into the controller got the volume slider at 80 and chat slider at 20 and im always during down the master volume from the games master audio settings from 10 to 7 to tweak it to my liking.
Sound is subjective. What sounds loud to you is low to others. What is clear to you is muffled to others. At the end of the day we all buy what we need to help us reach the level of sound we require. I found what I was looking for in the PC38X. If it wasn’t so damn uncomfortable for me, I may have not found my way to the H6Pro. :)
@@District.24 pc38 or h6pro,which is better in your opinion?
IMO, it’s the H6PRO. It checks all the boxes for me. I play BFV with a squad of friends, and I usually take point, because I can hear better than my teammates. The mids are elevated on the H6PRO, so the footsteps really come through. Couple that with excellent imaging and a solid volume level, the H6PRO is an FPS players dream. PC38X definitely takes second spot.
@@District.24 nice,I appreciate your reply.
Would I need a soundcard to deliver its full potential if so which one do you recommend?
You mentioned there were better options. Could you share any of them with me? Thank you.
EPOS H6PRO and Beyerdynamic’s TYGR 300 R
You should gotten the 80ohm version they sound better
Thanks for sharing.
Will the beyerdynamic. 32ohm work for xbox series s
I don’t know. Xbox is its on beast, and I don’t own one.
This is the video I was looking for!! Btw I was thinking to buy these ones and incorporate them a mic, but, do you think the sound is good for it´s price? A friend of mine told me that in professional Headphones, sound is so good that it doesn´t woth to change because the improves in sound are tinier than in comercial headphones so I don´t know if this is true. I came from a Sony wh-xm3 so I think the sound difference will be huge, isn´t? Which ones do you recommend me to buy, I´m not an audiophile so I can´t notice about little details in sound.
Good video!! You really helped me a lot :)
I think you should buy the Sennheiser + Drop PC38X. That headset checks all the boxes. If you are hell bent on having an audiophile level headphone than I would recommend the Sennheiser HD560S over the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro. The latter is really nice, but the former is better.
@@District.24 Be careful about the 560s. They are open backed and will bleed sound. For gaming where you want no outside sound interference closed back are the best.
@@fyorbane only if you have audible distractions.
The 560S, as you know, weren't built for gaming. But they do very well in gaming due to the neutral sound and superior imaging. If you have a quiet environment to game in then a open-back is not an issue, and acutally prefered by some.
How bad is the sound leakage into the mic on the 38Xs? I've got a pair on the way, but I've been seeing really bad sound leak reviews lately.
I’m not aware of any sound leaking issues with the 38x’s. As a rule of thumb though, I save open-back headsets for non-multiplayer games because of that very issue. That’s why I don’t use the Cooler Master MH630’s. They leak big time for me.
hey can you tell me the sound leakage into the mic , does it happen a lot or it isn't much of a bother?
It doesn’t happen on well made headsets (EPOS, Sennheiser, Beyerdynamic), but I’m experiencing it more and more on cheaper made headsets (Corsair, Logitech, Coolermaster). Open-back headsets are prone to this issue. It does happen on closed-back too. The way to test (a lot of Influencers fail to do this) is have your friends talk to you online - in and outside a game - and ask them if they can hear their own voice repeating back to them.
What's your source setup? Like dac amp. and do you play on stereo?
PS5, PS4 Pro, PC, Schiit Hel 2, GSX 1000, MixAMP Pro. I use both stereo and 3D audio in my gaming.
@@District.24 thanks I have a similar set of headphones. Out of the 3, Schiit help, mix amp pro and gsx1000. What would you say is the best for gaming? By gaming we are talking comp FPS such as COD or BF?
Sorry for the late reply. My answer is the Schitt Hel 2.
You should try the Audio-Technica MSR7b. Other TH-camrs says that they are a direct competition to the Dt770 Pro
Thanks for the suggestion.
just got the DT 990 Pro, do you not like open back?
The pc38x are open back
I love open back. As Flipout86 said, the PC38X is open back. It's nice to have a pair of closed back on hand though for those times when you don't want any sound leakage.
Btw,I like to play an fps,and I’m smth like a pro lvl gamer,bcuz Im spending pretty bunch of my time on 1-2 fps games & training in em,but at the same time I’m in love with music sooo far,what would be better for me? iem/ open /closed - back headset? Especially I’m thinking about ie300,sennheiser pc38x & beyerdynamic dt770
I’ll be much appreciated for help,especially from a creator himself 🙏🏼
It depends on how you like your music. If you like it untouched then I would suggest the HD560S. It has excellent imaging for FPS gaming. If you like a little more excitement in your tunes then the Tygr 300R and ATH- G1 are good choices. Straight up gaming, but decent for music would be the H6PRO and PC38X.
@@District.24 tysm,after reading your advice I think I’ll look hd560s,pc38x and my friend recommended my to try dt 700 pro x instead of dt770,so I’ll watch some reviews and I would try to find some time for checking up their sound in headphone-studio in my city
Tysm again,God bless you bro 🙏🏼❤️
@@keswik0258 Which headset did you go for? Hopefully you answer cuz im in the same situation but i got no idea which Headset i should buy.
@@tobgg can’t reply
@@keswik0258 huh?
PC38X is getting my favor as it has no attitude on my mobile devices.
Its higher sensitivity gives advantage and HD500 series earpads can be used (try HD599 brown earpads) and I think the sound is even better than HD599.
I liked the PC38X originally, but quickly fell in love with the EPOS H6PRO when it was released.
Did you take down your new video 😕 I wasn’t done watching it haha 😂
I forgot something in the video, so I had to add it quick and re-upload it.
The issue with the 770 is because it’s a power hungry 250 ohm headphone and the pc38x is I believe is a 60 ohm headphone. so on a volume wheel the pc38x the volume is loud at 12 o’clock the 770 will be loud around 2 3 o’clock due to the ohms
The PC38X is 28 ohms and the version of DT 770 Pro I reviewed was 32 ohms. They come in 32, 80 and 250 ohms. Mine shouldn't have required an amp, but it certainly feels like it does.
Ooo ok gotcha at first running my hd800 and my Dt990 I also wondered why the 990 needed more power then the hd800 I looked into it and the bayers drive is just power hungry
DT 770 pro are not expensive. I think you are getting mixed up with the 1770 which are much more expensive. They are around 125 euros here in Europe which is cheap for a studio reference audiophile headphone. They are great for gaming [I have used mine for years now] and are perhaps better for open world rpg type games rather than manic shooter games.
Thanks for sharing.
@@District.24 I think I know why the dot 770’s don’t sound lound. I thinks it’s because you have the 32 ohm version and the 80 and 240 ohm version I have a little difference in volume it could also be the amp/dac you are using , because some amp/dac are and can get louder than others and I think with the higher ohms if you have a amp/ dac that can push and handle it it will sound better and prob louder. Also the sound will change if you plug it in to your mother board and make sure to also not use the front up of your pc. Last thing the higher in ohms in the headphones the better the sound gets not by a lot but still noticeable, and the price of them are only 120-170 idk why you say they are expensive because the sennhisers are more exsepsive at 200 or more, I’m also not including a amp/dac. Also if the clamping force is to much for you you can try and stretch it out by put something flat in the middle that kinda represents your/ a head and let it sit over night or for about a day and it should be fine
Thanks for sharing.
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Tamaam.
I’d like to see the hd800 original version for gaming 🤪🤪😁
That would require a decent DAC and AMP, which I don't yet have. I'm currently eyeing the Schiit Hel 2 (PS5 compatible) to tide me over until I can buy the THX AAA One amp, and a decent DAC.
Actually the 800 is very efficient ohm driver the Bayerdynamic 250 ohm is harder to drive then the hd800 even the hd600 300 ohm is harder to drive then the hd800 headphone but I do agree amp needed I actually own the schiit hel2 and Blaster x g6 amp
@@fliptout86 what do you think is the best for competitive gaming between this amps? (Footsteps) also, does the 7.1 surround in the g6 really works and give you a competitive advantage?
AKG712 pro
I have no plans to review those.
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