You are 100% correct in just the first 5 mins of the video. For the past month, I've gone down the rabbit hole of searching for a good headphone for gaming. I've bought the PC38x, the hd 566, Tyger 300r, 58xx jubilee (just hot yesterday), my Audio Technica ATH-AD700X should be here Thursday. So Yea! And I have I use to game on beyerdynamic MMX 300. Anyone reading this just buy the PC38x, save yourself the disappointment I've indured with the rest. They have Way better sound stage"in my opinion"
The mic test 😂😂 amazing. Honestly great review thank you. Having a dedicated mic, you've sold me on the Tygrs.. having a detachable cable would be nice but I'll live.
In case you don't know, the tygr 300r are branded as "gaming" because it originally came as a bundle with a separate mic in a box. But since many ppl already has a separate mic and/or don't wanna pay like 300$(i think) for said bundle we are finally able to buy the headphones separately.
That's good to know and a fair point. Could you at least plug the headset into the mic? That might also explain why the included cable was relatively short. I still don't think it needs to say "gaming" on there though. I know it's a potentially stupid distinction, but a viewer had requested I compare those 2 based on the idea they were gaming headsets and in reality the TYGR 300R's are just a nice sounding pair of headphones, nothing more.
I think your concerns and gripes here are valid, but I'd like to point out that in this video you keep referring to the Beyers as a "gaming headset" - that's not what they are. They're "gaming headphones", an incredibly niche product that crosses studio-quality music headphones with gaming-focused tuning. They're specifically for people with condenser or USB mics on their desk. The Drops are clearly a far superior value proposition and a much easier recommendation/choice for MOST gamers
The Microphone on the PC38X is legendary for just being a headset mic. Bought it because of your review some time ago. Have not been disappointed. Thank you for the awesome reviews man!
I have both these headsets as well as the HD 560s, Hands down the 560s offer better imaging and staging in comparison to the Tygrs. Compared to the 38x its much closer. ID say the 38x sounds slightly more V-Shaped so better for music if you like good bass and smooth high end. The 560s have the more neutral tuning which lends itself better for gaming. The Tygrs just completely lack an upper midrange and the staging is very overrated but the imaging is good as well as music playback. They arent bad but they also are not better than either the 38x or the 560s in any way. You can also get both those for less than the Tygrs
I have the tygr 300r paired with the soundblaster g6 dac/amp running the virtual 7.1 with no additional sound enhancements and it's insanely good for pin pointing sounds without any audible artifacts. Highly recommend this combo for music/gaming.
@@Y-J65 ended up returning the Beyerdymic pair and grabbed a Sennheiser hd560s and it sounds much better for me. The amp has stereo/5.1/7.1 as well as SBX for additional surround sliders and other sound adjustments. There's direct mode too which provides you with the cleanest output for critical listening.
@@VexxedSR I have the g6 dac with X2hr which I bought some time ago. I’m currently stuck in deciding between the hd560s, 300r, pcx380 dt990 pro. Is the sound quality of the hd560s superior to the 300r?
@@Y-J65 mids are better on the hd560s than the tygr and they don't distort at higher volumes which lets you play around with EQs more with the hd560s, especially the bass. The hd560s are dependent on ear shape and positioning, some people get a huge soundstage and others will get a smaller soundstage or one with 3 blobs. For me the soundstage is nearly the same as the tygr, maybe a bit smaller but much more precise. The tygrs feel and look great though, definitely feel much more sturdier than the hd560s that have the occasional plastic creak. I had issues with the drivers distorting on the tygr so went for the hd560s but can't go wrong with either, both are great for gaming and music.
the microphone comparison is f****** GOLD!!! The audacity of Beyer calling this a gaming headset is absolutely unreal! Good on you for not holding your punches :)
It was between the H6 Pro, PC38X, 560S, and a bunch of wireless headsets for me. I tried a lot of them. Wish I had gotten to try the PC38X though as it's a very intriguing package. I think the PC38X with a high quality DAC dongle is the best bang for buck and portable option. That being said, I already own a XLR desktop mic (yes, flip mic is WAY more convenient) and ended up with a 560S + Magni amp. The amp comes Friday. The 560S do not disappoint, best imaging/sound stage I've ever heard. The Arctis Nova Pro Wireless I tried were a little more detailed and layering was impressive (at least on par with 560S) but that's also a $350 pair that comes with a DAC and everything else. I went back to the wire after 1 year of wireless. Comfort was the final nail in the coffin for all these wireless sets... they are heavy and do not stay on your head.
Can you do a comparison on the yellow pc38 vs the black? I’d love to see how different they sound, also the difference in mic quality between the colors
Jokes aside i really enjoy your content reviews compared to all the bs big channels. This shit is honest and straight to the point with no filler material and the summary in the beginning makes it even better👍
I own both..I bought the Tygr's thinking they wud be similar to my pc38x but to me the "sound stage or "type of sound" "was day and night difference. I instantly hated the TYGR'S, idk if they came out the box with bad EQ but I was so disappointed. And im too of a noob to try EQ it properly I guess. TLDR: Folks who are on the fence, just go with PC38x. No regrets there.
The TYGR'S are better in terms of soundstage and is pretty much on par with the imaging of the pc38x. The pc38x are however more cleaner in the midbass region. EQ takes no more than 5 minutes to understand and change to a preferable sound. Almost no headphone is going to please anyones preference but I can assure you the TYGR'S out of the box has good tuning.
Try out the sennheiser hd560s much much better i try a lot to find a better than my 8 years old sennheiser game one also try pc38x but hd560s to me is the best with g6.epis hs6 pro ist most comfort but sound is bad
I have de PC38X love it! Amazing headset WITH a amp, if i use mine with the cables in de back of my pc and put it on 100% volume it sounds like 50% compared to my old ones. Is that only me? Or does anyone has a fix? (Have a BlasterX G6 in between now, then volume is fine)
Currently using the PC38x to play through Hogwarts Legacy, it sounds amazing. I’d honestly recommend it over the TYGR 99/100 times unless you’re a billion percent sure you’re never going to use the mic, you won’t mind the ear cups or non detachable cable, and you want that sound profile.
@@MercuryTV I think I want that crystal clear audio, with some bass. Headphones with neutral bass just sounds boring to me, would you say the Tygrs had bass and crystal clear audio?
Do companies actually EQ so-called "gaming" headphones differently than regular headphones or is it all just how they're marketed? You'd think any good headphones would be good for gaming too. I do wonder how the Sennheiser 560S compares to these if we're going to start considering headphones with no mic in at this price point.
I think they do, or at least claim to. From the description of these online: ..."with true professional sound reinvented for gaming." At the end of the day these are just a nice pair of headphones and I think it's silly to put "gaming" anywhere near the name. Like you said, at this price point, with these features (or lack thereof), you may as well just start comparing plain old good headphones and not consider "gaming" at all. Someone had requested a long time ago that I take a look at these and I'm glad I did, but I just can't justify keeping them with the stable of headphones I already have.
Yes. They call them “gaming” bc the frequency response is designed to be more in line with what is “best” for gaming. It’s to distinguish then from all the “audiophile” frequency response headphones that are designed to be more neutral or “flat.”
Just ordered the 300's, i agree with ur points 100%, im however that customer looking specifically for audio quality. Most gamers would definitely better off with the 38x. I have the X2hr now so hoping ill like the 300 better (hearing other liked them better too)
I am guessing you liked the 300R's more? I have a pair of X2HR, He400se, 990 pros and the Tygr's and I can now say that these are the best all around and the dynamics of these are great. Soundstage is up there and the imaging is great.
I do agree with not having a detachable cable in this day and age. I have Sennheiser's, beyers, hifimans, thiaudios, focals, Audio technicas, and you would be surprised at how many audiophile headphones still screw you on cables. I have got very good at modding headphones at this point just for this reason. I open up and solder female 3.5mm connectors in both cups so I have the option of running my headphones balanced when I feel like it, which is most of the time I guess. but for the price of headphones and for how $3 it costs me in hardware to do this crap myself, this should be standard as it would not cost the company any extra money to do this.
Just a last note, the TYGR's were never meant to be sold stand alone i'm sure, when they first came out the only way you could get them was bundled with their actually excellent sounding desktop mic. This however is a bust for console gamers making this combo pretty PC exclusive. There is work arounds, I have for example modded my AD-500x with a detachable cable and a 3.5mm mic input that accepts generic 3.5mm mics and the cable is just 4 pole and you could use whatever cable you like but I just run a straight 4 pole for my PS4, yes the only console I have is a PS4 as I don't really console game much. But this is not something that anyone can just do without a bit of practice. Though it is very rewarding and I encourage it.
I've used the Beyer Dynamic.....and honestly... meh... overhyped imo! Sennheiser sound signature just better imo! not fatiguing AT ALL! the sound that I've experienced with BEYERDYNAMICS in my experience was very dull but also OVERLY HARSH! Videogames sounded very off and the AK47 sound in CS GO was so strange... made me not want to game! went back to the GSP500 and now a EPOS H6 pro Open! never going to try any other brand! and with EPOS gaming becoming defunct :'( It's now a perfect time to get their headsets! some you will see go under 100 USA dollars and it's worth it! Awesome honest REVIEW! Sennheiser is the best in the business for a REASON!
Closed back. Tried it out a long time ago, could see why it was so popular, but it just wasn't for me. I highly doubt I will ever go to a closed back headset again for a daily driver.
You are 100% correct in just the first 5 mins of the video. For the past month, I've gone down the rabbit hole of searching for a good headphone for gaming. I've bought the PC38x, the hd 566, Tyger 300r, 58xx jubilee (just hot yesterday), my Audio Technica ATH-AD700X should be here Thursday. So Yea! And I have I use to game on beyerdynamic MMX 300. Anyone reading this just buy the PC38x, save yourself the disappointment I've indured with the rest. They have Way better sound stage"in my opinion"
what about 560s ? Pc38x is out of stock
@@Gedikpashaa 560s is better and more comfortable for gaming than pc38x.
@@Gedikpashaa Just buy the tyger 300r if you have a big head
Is the pc38x better than the mmx 300?
@@Tai-y1dI agree
I really like how tygr 300r mic sounds
You had me ugly laughing when you did the mic comparisons 😂 i immediately subbed and can’t wait to see your content in the future!
That mic test was the most informative part.
The mic test 😂😂 amazing.
Honestly great review thank you. Having a dedicated mic, you've sold me on the Tygrs.. having a detachable cable would be nice but I'll live.
In case you don't know, the tygr 300r are branded as "gaming" because it originally came as a bundle with a separate mic in a box. But since many ppl already has a separate mic and/or don't wanna pay like 300$(i think) for said bundle we are finally able to buy the headphones separately.
That's good to know and a fair point. Could you at least plug the headset into the mic? That might also explain why the included cable was relatively short. I still don't think it needs to say "gaming" on there though. I know it's a potentially stupid distinction, but a viewer had requested I compare those 2 based on the idea they were gaming headsets and in reality the TYGR 300R's are just a nice sounding pair of headphones, nothing more.
@@MercuryTV Yes, you can plug the headphones into the mic.
headset = something with a mic. headphones = not necessarily somethin with a mic, otherwise a great vid :)
'streamer bundles' just promise more profit than headsets. its simply the next step.
I think your concerns and gripes here are valid, but I'd like to point out that in this video you keep referring to the Beyers as a "gaming headset" - that's not what they are. They're "gaming headphones", an incredibly niche product that crosses studio-quality music headphones with gaming-focused tuning. They're specifically for people with condenser or USB mics on their desk. The Drops are clearly a far superior value proposition and a much easier recommendation/choice for MOST gamers
Great review - dry, hilarious and a great attitude. The mic test was very revealing.
The Microphone on the PC38X is legendary for just being a headset mic.
Bought it because of your review some time ago. Have not been disappointed.
Thank you for the awesome reviews man!
Hd58x with foom or without has more soundstage??
I have both these headsets as well as the HD 560s, Hands down the 560s offer better imaging and staging in comparison to the Tygrs. Compared to the 38x its much closer. ID say the 38x sounds slightly more V-Shaped so better for music if you like good bass and smooth high end. The 560s have the more neutral tuning which lends itself better for gaming. The Tygrs just completely lack an upper midrange and the staging is very overrated but the imaging is good as well as music playback. They arent bad but they also are not better than either the 38x or the 560s in any way. You can also get both those for less than the Tygrs
I have the tygr 300r paired with the soundblaster g6 dac/amp running the virtual 7.1 with no additional sound enhancements and it's insanely good for pin pointing sounds without any audible artifacts. Highly recommend this combo for music/gaming.
Is that the virtual 7.1 through the g6 software or in scout mode?
@@Y-J65 ended up returning the Beyerdymic pair and grabbed a Sennheiser hd560s and it sounds much better for me. The amp has stereo/5.1/7.1 as well as SBX for additional surround sliders and other sound adjustments. There's direct mode too which provides you with the cleanest output for critical listening.
@@VexxedSR I have the g6 dac with X2hr which I bought some time ago. I’m currently stuck in deciding between the hd560s, 300r, pcx380 dt990 pro. Is the sound quality of the hd560s superior to the 300r?
@@Y-J65 mids are better on the hd560s than the tygr and they don't distort at higher volumes which lets you play around with EQs more with the hd560s, especially the bass. The hd560s are dependent on ear shape and positioning, some people get a huge soundstage and others will get a smaller soundstage or one with 3 blobs. For me the soundstage is nearly the same as the tygr, maybe a bit smaller but much more precise. The tygrs feel and look great though, definitely feel much more sturdier than the hd560s that have the occasional plastic creak. I had issues with the drivers distorting on the tygr so went for the hd560s but can't go wrong with either, both are great for gaming and music.
@@VexxedSR thanks for your help, I’ll try the Tygr 300s first to see how they are.
the microphone comparison is f****** GOLD!!! The audacity of Beyer calling this a gaming headset is absolutely unreal! Good on you for not holding your punches :)
It was between the H6 Pro, PC38X, 560S, and a bunch of wireless headsets for me. I tried a lot of them. Wish I had gotten to try the PC38X though as it's a very intriguing package. I think the PC38X with a high quality DAC dongle is the best bang for buck and portable option. That being said, I already own a XLR desktop mic (yes, flip mic is WAY more convenient) and ended up with a 560S + Magni amp. The amp comes Friday. The 560S do not disappoint, best imaging/sound stage I've ever heard. The Arctis Nova Pro Wireless I tried were a little more detailed and layering was impressive (at least on par with 560S) but that's also a $350 pair that comes with a DAC and everything else. I went back to the wire after 1 year of wireless. Comfort was the final nail in the coffin for all these wireless sets... they are heavy and do not stay on your head.
Can you do a comparison on the yellow pc38 vs the black? I’d love to see how different they sound, also the difference in mic quality between the colors
Jokes aside i really enjoy your content reviews compared to all the bs big channels. This shit is honest and straight to the point with no filler material and the summary in the beginning makes it even better👍
7:55 this had no right making me laugh as hard as it did LMAO
I own both..I bought the Tygr's thinking they wud be similar to my pc38x but to me the "sound stage or "type of sound" "was day and night difference. I instantly hated the TYGR'S, idk if they came out the box with bad EQ but I was so disappointed. And im too of a noob to try EQ it properly I guess.
TLDR: Folks who are on the fence, just go with PC38x. No regrets there.
The TYGR'S are better in terms of soundstage and is pretty much on par with the imaging of the pc38x. The pc38x are however more cleaner in the midbass region. EQ takes no more than 5 minutes to understand and change to a preferable sound. Almost no headphone is going to please anyones preference but I can assure you the TYGR'S out of the box has good tuning.
Try out the sennheiser hd560s much much better i try a lot to find a better than my 8 years old sennheiser game one also try pc38x but hd560s to me is the best with g6.epis hs6 pro ist most comfort but sound is bad
I have de PC38X love it! Amazing headset WITH a amp, if i use mine with the cables in de back of my pc and put it on 100% volume it sounds like 50% compared to my old ones. Is that only me? Or does anyone has a fix? (Have a BlasterX G6 in between now, then volume is fine)
Says on the box "gaming headphone" not headset
Hey Mercury one question, which of these 2 is more immersive on single player games?
Currently using the PC38x to play through Hogwarts Legacy, it sounds amazing. I’d honestly recommend it over the TYGR 99/100 times unless you’re a billion percent sure you’re never going to use the mic, you won’t mind the ear cups or non detachable cable, and you want that sound profile.
@@MercuryTV I think I want that crystal clear audio, with some bass. Headphones with neutral bass just sounds boring to me, would you say the Tygrs had bass and crystal clear audio?
Do companies actually EQ so-called "gaming" headphones differently than regular headphones or is it all just how they're marketed? You'd think any good headphones would be good for gaming too. I do wonder how the Sennheiser 560S compares to these if we're going to start considering headphones with no mic in at this price point.
I think they do, or at least claim to. From the description of these online: ..."with true professional sound reinvented for gaming." At the end of the day these are just a nice pair of headphones and I think it's silly to put "gaming" anywhere near the name. Like you said, at this price point, with these features (or lack thereof), you may as well just start comparing plain old good headphones and not consider "gaming" at all. Someone had requested a long time ago that I take a look at these and I'm glad I did, but I just can't justify keeping them with the stable of headphones I already have.
560s Much better i try all on the market 😂
Yes. They call them “gaming” bc the frequency response is designed to be more in line with what is “best” for gaming. It’s to distinguish then from all the “audiophile” frequency response headphones that are designed to be more neutral or “flat.”
God Damn what an honest opinion. Very refreshing. And the mic test was properly done.
Just ordered the 300's, i agree with ur points 100%, im however that customer looking specifically for audio quality. Most gamers would definitely better off with the 38x. I have the X2hr now so hoping ill like the 300 better (hearing other liked them better too)
I am guessing you liked the 300R's more? I have a pair of X2HR, He400se, 990 pros and the Tygr's and I can now say that these are the best all around and the dynamics of these are great. Soundstage is up there and the imaging is great.
@@tigerleon10 absolutely, haven’t found anything better, but I’m also not spending 1000$ lol
I don't get the hate for the X2 tbh. I switched to the TYGR for multiple reasons, but sound quality was not one of them.
There is no hate. They to me just sound grainy compared to any other headphones I've tried@@User-ys7cb
Surprisingly low sub count, W vid
I do agree with not having a detachable cable in this day and age. I have Sennheiser's, beyers, hifimans, thiaudios, focals, Audio technicas, and you would be surprised at how many audiophile headphones still screw you on cables. I have got very good at modding headphones at this point just for this reason. I open up and solder female 3.5mm connectors in both cups so I have the option of running my headphones balanced when I feel like it, which is most of the time I guess. but for the price of headphones and for how $3 it costs me in hardware to do this crap myself, this should be standard as it would not cost the company any extra money to do this.
Just a last note, the TYGR's were never meant to be sold stand alone i'm sure, when they first came out the only way you could get them was bundled with their actually excellent sounding desktop mic. This however is a bust for console gamers making this combo pretty PC exclusive. There is work arounds, I have for example modded my AD-500x with a detachable cable and a 3.5mm mic input that accepts generic 3.5mm mics and the cable is just 4 pole and you could use whatever cable you like but I just run a straight 4 pole for my PS4, yes the only console I have is a PS4 as I don't really console game much. But this is not something that anyone can just do without a bit of practice. Though it is very rewarding and I encourage it.
I love my PC38x
I've used the Beyer Dynamic.....and honestly... meh... overhyped imo! Sennheiser sound signature just better imo! not fatiguing AT ALL! the sound that I've experienced with BEYERDYNAMICS in my experience was very dull but also OVERLY HARSH! Videogames sounded very off and the AK47 sound in CS GO was so strange... made me not want to game! went back to the GSP500 and now a EPOS H6 pro Open! never going to try any other brand! and with EPOS gaming becoming defunct :'( It's now a perfect time to get their headsets! some you will see go under 100 USA dollars and it's worth it!
Awesome honest REVIEW!
Sennheiser is the best in the business for a REASON!
7:55 HAHAHAHA
Fucking love this video
PC38x vs ATH-m50xSTS
Mmx 300
Closed back. Tried it out a long time ago, could see why it was so popular, but it just wasn't for me. I highly doubt I will ever go to a closed back headset again for a daily driver.