"Shakti was getting kidnapped almost every episode" You are wrong sir! Half the time, Shakti willingly makes herself a hostage, so technically not getting kidnapped if she wanted it...HAHAHA 🤣
Conquering Earth by reducing its denizens' minds to infant state actually made perfect sense. Once you fire the Angel Halo, there'd be nobody left on Earth to fight you (due to their baby minds) and at the same time, you inherit all the essential facilities without destroying them (much). Your army can just easily drop on Earth and own the whole planet without any resistance.
@@gerogyzurkov2259 at this point in the uc timeline the earth had little resources and most were sent from the colonies to earth so there were no resources to steal
@@catantcha99 That's colony propaganda talk overrating themselves imo which doesn't mean much how would they explain the countless prototypes and mass production MS being made places like Tottenham in Australia look well and populated not to mention Hong Kong in Narrative which is a big city. Not to mention the Amount of men needed to sustain? Let alone the massive project like reactivating and rebuilding the Gyps 2 Laser which would require enormous amt of resources and yet we also still find that places on Earth have enough to feed Earth's population there whatever left. It's likely whatever left of Earth it's left not a lot to sustain that much more, but must be plentiful to last finite until solutions arrive. I know it's likely colonies supporting that too, but that shows that there's still likely a lot left that it many will want to stay for. Water alone is abundance there, then there's still likely precious metals, etc. Plus as stated in the show majority rich choice to stay. Honestly it's like today (ironic) complaining the exact same thing with the amt of resources. With no massive solutions being done to redeem that shit in today's world either other than (ironic again) to go into space to redeem ourselves. Nothing else long term to help the problems on Earth other than (sheer irony) mirroring Char wanted EF to do- get all the population to get to space and populate there.
I really wish that someday Bandai Sunrise would make other Mobile Suit Gundam mini-series set in the late U.C. timeline besides F91, Victory Gundam and the semi-canocical G-Saviour that I kind of like to be honest. Hoping for Crossbone Gundam to have it's own animated mini-series someday.
I have a feeling that F91 was meant to be a more of a fairy tale/fantasy... sure they didn't write off the dark and brutal nature of combat in the UC (especially with 'bonked mom")... but since it was rushed and cut short, I still have a wish that it had a real series with a completely different take without Char. It seemed like it was heading toward a story that would put a protagonist couple against the "machine" of the military industrial complex/nation-state. Honestly, I'd love too see Crossbone animated as well... it seemed like it was a response and exploration of the optimism of F91. Plus ... pirates.
I've got to hand it to you Absa for your work bringing this series to our attention. Victory Gundam is one series that really slipped under the radar here stateside. We have to remember there wasn't the kind of internet we had today back then, and we didn't have digital downloads or even DVDs in the days Victory came out. We relied on the English publications at the time, like Mecha Press, Animerica, and Protoculture Addicts to give us the scoop on what was happening in Japan. And although we knew about Victory, there was not, to my knowledge, an official VHS release of Victory either subbed or dubbed for the English-speaking market. There was a thriving VHS bootleg market in the US with fan made subtitles for most of the good stuff, like those 0080, 0083, and 08th MS Team OVAs. I had no problem getting my hands on those. And Gundam Wing was so big here, the subs and dubs came direct from Sunrise itself. But Victory Gundam? If there was any fan bootleg, I never found one. Most of the Victory related stuff I could get my hands on were line art books and, of course, the Gunplas, which were really innovative for the time (if a bit small). What the line art told me was that this was a series that looked somewhat similar to the original Gundam: big, exotic mobile armors, interesting prototypes, and a return of the "land battlerships" like the Big Tray and the Dobday. It looked similar to the middle third portion of MS Gundam, which was my favorite part of that series. It's a shame that the plot seems to have left a lot to be desired. As far as the violence and the darkness of Victory, it would have to be pretty dark in my opinion to top Iron Blooded Orphans. That series made Zeta Gundam look like Barney and Friends by comparison, at least to me. Then again, isn't that what Gundam in the UC was always about? After all, Absa, the last line in the famous introductory narration in MS Gundam was "Who Will Survive?" And the answer seems to be always, "not very many."
The universal century around this era seemed to have so much potential. I don’t like much of Gundam either after Zeta . Victory seems like such a misstep to me, I understand why Tomino hated this show.
I used to think like that also, like the UC had a lot of potential if they got rid of Zeon. The trouble is that no other faction had a true narrative weight to make it compelling... maybe Cosmo Babylonia (which btw, is an amazing name), but it just didn't work with the limited time of F91. Hopefully after Hathaway's Flash Sunrise decides to tell new stories set in those time periods.
@@absa i have said this enough, UC run its course, gundam isnt superman where you can just shove another villain in and call it a day, what made UC, UC, was that it was a story about a war, and its consequences, UC ended after hathaway. everything else is basically AU anyway. if you take F91 or crossbone, and didnt change anything beyond saying it was AU, nothing would change. because their conections is so small to begin with. adding more to the UC will be basically that, making an AU and crowbar it in to make it fit. has nobody learn anything from Reconguista? let the UC be UC, since zeta, it always worked best with smaller stories. and some of its smaller stuff is far superior to even the best of their main series.
What's funny about you mentioning potential uses of the Angel's Halo is its inclusion in Super Robot Taisen 30, since both Victory and Narrative are featured as part of the story. Don't ask about how that makes sense, because it doesn't and you just have to accept it. Putting that aside, it actually does briefly explore a what-if scenario if Zoltan managed to get his hands on it.
@@absa I've only played this one to completion, but the non-OG games are pretty liberal with the stories of the series/franchies that they include. I do enjoy how they combine timelines of anime and have certain events coincide, like the Zero Requiem from Code Geass and the events of CCA taking place around the same time 10 years prior in-game. Might be worth it for you to check this one out if you think that you'd like the rest of the lineup.
@@absa that how super robot wars works in one of the earlier games you can have in the storyline all Gundam up to crossbone Gundam In the same time (yes you have Seabook and amuro interacting) to stop char to dropping axis to earth after knowing turn As black history that's just how it works (my Ingles is kinda bad)
I think I like Victory Gundam for the same reason why I want to see Late UC explored more. Early UC and Late UC are both great, but for different reasons. Early UC: While it has its number of dark moments, it has a light of hope in the form of the Newtype Theory of understanding without misconception. Late UC: That hope is largely forgotten. What we have as a result is a bleak, dystopian world where things are only getting worse for everyone, especially because instead of understanding each other, the entire Earth Sphere has become balkanized. Edit: No, Katejina's ending is not happy. She's a blind, homeless amnesiac who's condemned to look for her hometown forever because she forgot that it was destroyed in the earlier part of the series. Not to mention the Earth Federation collapsed at this point. The Federation was corrupt and incompetent, but now all that's left is a bunch of space nations fighting over dominance in Late UC. Late UC is basically quite hopeless.
Exactly!!! People always talk about how Late UC is “so far removed from anything else in UC” - that’s the point! It’s the only logical conclusion based on the behaviors and devotion to ideological beliefs that are present in the UC from its founding! The Federation was always corrupt, and Zeon always stood as a hope (albeit fanatical and genocidal) for the Spacenoids, who initially desired independence but eventually devoted themselves to hatred of the Federation… both sides stuck stagnating in the same cycle for years and years, eventually those fires would burn out. And they did. We see the remnants of Zeon peter out, and the Federation falls with them. Instead of learning from and with Newtypes to understand and acknowledge each other (I feel Banagher preached this best), humanity chose to distrust and fear Newtypes, who then could not fulfill their role to help guide humanity into a new plain of existence(I guess maybe coexistence?). The ideological divide tore them apart, as new generations grew up and started their own ways into the world, quite literally picking up the pieces, that’s why you see so many groups in power struggles. Civilization and ideology gave way to a “wild west”. I LOVE it! Really hoping we start to see more content from the Next 100 initiative, set between Hathaway and Victory, to fill in those gaps. I’d also like to see what happens with Banagher and Mineva, why the Newtypes disappeared, and maybe even remakes of F91 and V Gundam to align more with the newer UC stories like Unicorn.
@@SSJFutureGohan62093 I'm sure the gaps will be filled in, granted it's taking forever. I'm hoping it doesn't take 100 years to finish the UC Next 100 Project.
@@SSJFutureGohan62093 Some people credit the disappearing of newtypes to Judau in one of the Crossbone spin-offs leaving the solar system in a colony spaceship hybrid full of newtypes. But I don't know about this theory, we never really had conclusive proof that newtypes are a genetic phenomenon, considering that a lot of newtype parents aren't newtypes themselves I argue that having newtype parents helps in nothing in the children being newtypes, so even if Judau took with him the majority of the newtype population more newtypes would appear overtime.
I actually liked this show regardless of its faults. Definitely showcases how fucked and dystopian the Earth has become about 60 some odd years after Char's Rebellion. Kinda makes you think that while Amuro was morally correct, Char was more logically correct in how the Earth will continue to get fucked by the ineffectual elite who still play at being masters of all creation, all the while the Zanscare Empire and BESPA are far far worse in their ideology and approach.
Scene Unicorn came out I think that the Universal Century have two timelines first is a timeline where the Unicorn, Narrative, and Hathaway(maybe) never happened while the second timeline where the Unicorn, Narrative, and Hathaway happened does sunrise maybe plan to reboot or retelling of both F19 and Victory and maybe this timeline they can insert the Crossbone wheater it's an OVA, a Movie Trilogy or Tv Series
I don't agree with the psychoanalysis of Tomino where you claim that he felt obligated to make victory gundam, because while that is true of this show, it's also true of zeta. Zeta was forced on Tomino, and he so strongly disliked the idea of a direct sequel to gundam that during the zeta pitching process, he originally asked to set the show far in the past, before the events of first gundam, titling it alpha gundam, which got rejected, then asked if he could make the show set so far into the future as to have no connection to the previous show, again rejected, he was effectively being forced into the timeframe that Zeta takes place in and had no interest in continuing the stories of Char and Amuro. Saying Victory feels more forced than Zeta is nonsense because he didn't want to do either of them. He's gone so far as to say that he only has a few anime he's made because he wanted to, and that everything else was on commission. Your examples of the show being too similar to previous shows are weak and could just as easily be said of those very shows. Usso isn't anti-social like amuro, he isn't naturally violent like kamille, and he takes things more seriously than judau. He's a well defined and unique character, being the youngest gundam protagonist but also the most self-sufficient and forced into maturity early. Everything you use as examples are plot synopsis bullet points that don't speak to the actual content of the show. I don't care that Victory's political faction makeup is kinda sorta similar to ZZ's, the actual themes are quite different. Victory covers political feminism and maternity more than any other previous show, it covers the process of how young people are groomed into ideological extremism much more than any other previous show, and on a metatextual level, I would go so far as to say that the synthesis between the tone of the work and the psychological miasmia Tomino was sinking deeper into is unlike any other anime, gundam or otherwise. These are the kinds of things that I think about when I'm watching or reflecting on victory, not that I've seen a clone of the white base one too many times. Wouldn't it make more sense to criticize Zeta for starting the whole trend of retreading old ground in the first place?
I find it ironic, actually, that for all of the reluctance you claim Tomino had towards continuing the stories of Char and Amuro, Zeta Gundam's development of both of these characters seems to have been done with loving care. He could have just kept these characters as they were. They aren't central characters, like Camile or Jerid, but both Char and Amuro are part of very strong B plots, far stronger than other OYW veterans like Kai, Hayato, Frau Bow, and Mirai. Perhaps Tomino had no interest in developing Char, Amuro, or anyone else from MS Gundam. But perhaps this was just a little of the infamous cynicism Tomino displayed towards producers and the press concerning himself and his work. And it is because of this that I agree with you that we shouldn't let whatever Tomino said about Victory cloud our interpretation of what Victory says, and what it means.
I think when it comes to Zeta, it is a situation of constraints breeding creativity. Tomino _had_ to do Zeta, so he looked for a way to make it interesting to (make to) him and we know the results.
As a multi-decade Gundam Asian fan with some degree of Japanese knowledge and seeing ZG, VG, Unicorn and 00 being my favourite, I am genuinely surprised that you would make a 30 mins video on it, despite I couldn't agree with most of your views. However, I understand that this was, to a large part, because of you watching F91 and VG after Unicorn and even Hathaway, and also the fact that you have little access to Japanese or Asian sources of the franchise's development. Firstly, Tomino's plan for the story was indeed interfered by the executives, ever since the first Gundam. He was forced to feature the G-Amour because the management wanted a more super-robot style mech in the show, whereas ZZ started out without Tomino and the tone of the show changed after he received the greenlight for CCA and got involved with ZZ from the middle. And while it may not be obvious to you, there had been multiple attempts to insert UC stories without touching on Char and Amuro, with War in the Pocket and 0083 being the few examples. In fact, the eternally cool Gundam Sentinel novel was conceptualized in between ZZ and CCA's development, but because of copyright disputes between Sunrise and Model Graphics, it ended up only semi-official and restricted to Japanese novel and plastic models until the episode 7 of Unicorn showing the Z Plus as an acknowledgement of it. In other words, F91 and VG weren't the first attempts to write about UC without Char - and think about this too - if you were Tomino, how would you have continued Gundam when you have given Char and Amuro an MIA treatment at the end of the Axis shock scene? At the time, Unicorn would be way ahead of its time in terms of design and so there was the novel Hathaway, which was probably handicapped by its mecha design (and several of its design still feel alien to this date). So Sunrise practically only have few options at the time: namely to slip in some shows before ZG, or to jump forward 30 years to allow for liberty in writing. F91 was meant to be a 52 episode anime at first, but got cut to a movie due to management decision, and you mentioned a number of management interference in the video already, only to my surprise that you did not mention (or did not know) that the warships and MS with wheels were also the result of management intervention. The management wanted huge battleship fights at the time the main cast travel to Earth and the wheels were the result of unwilling compliance from Tomino. Honestly, VG would have been more coherent to the collective UC timeline had the F91 sequel on the collapse of Cosmo Babylonia been aired, or at least released as a comic, which was followed by the comic entry of Crossbone Gundam which subsequently connected F91 to VG through the "Steel of 7" and "Crossbone Gundam Ghost" entries. VG does have its negatives for people to complain about, myself included (I mean how could a naked Uso even board the White Ark alive in a soap bubble through the sub-zero vacuum??????), but these aside, VG also have the greatest scenes in Gundam with Reinforce Junior's kamikaze sacrifice and a heavy ending of Shakti keeping quiet about Katejina's desolating end. After VG, it was clear that there's very little room to continue on with UC and so came the AUs. With the exception of 08 MS team, Unicorn was the first animated attempt to write in UC timeline since the end of VG and also a first attempt to do so (somewhat) after Char's story ended (especially after they toasted the strong potential of a sequel to SEED so badly with Destiny). The idea was to fill the narrative void between ZZ and CCA and to explain the Axis shock a little more and to connect to the post-100 UC, through that little tank MS. Hopefully, they would fill in more gaps between CCA and F91 in the Hathaway movies, and then go on to finish the F91 sequel and then the CBs.
Hahah you noticed! I used to call it Zombrero Zaku, but Cowboy Zaku sounds better... like a P-Bandai repaint of the Commander Zaku waiting to be announced.
I actually didn't mind the aesthetics of Victory and land ships all that much, sure it's weird but the diversity is welcome. What annoys me is the main series itself. where it has to be violent for violence's sake and not for story's sake. It's just his emotional dump project for hating his wife or some shit, which is why all the female characters DIED HORRIBLY aside from the motherly figure and innocent childhood love figure. Victory and F91 are essentially alternate gundams like you said, I feel like the Unicorn series are the REAL ending for Char / Amuro saga and should be the REAL ending for the UC timeline. Mayyyyyyyyyybe Hathaway's terrorist adventures can count? but we haven't seen the other 2 movies yet so we dunno yet.
It's well known that he mentally wasn't doing very well and Victory Gundam was the end result of it with the death count being extremely high especially toward the kids and women. By the end of it, you can only wonder how Uso could cope with so much loss he suffered during the war.
@@Ziko577 He had mental health issues ever since Zeta.. you could see the start of it all with it. The bleakness and hopelessness, the long kill list of supporting characters.. heck in the first couple of episodes the main protagonist saw both his mother and father killed off. Then they tried to course correct with ZZ and it was a disaster too.. a silly teenager commedy was never what gundam was about and stuck out like a sore thumb. But atleast they cought on in the end.
@@riptors9777 More like ever since Ideon lol, maybe even before that. Zeta was supposed to have a happy ending the only reason it was dark was cause they told tomino to do a sequel. Tomino has made lots of goofy shows prior to gundam and also dark ones likes ideon
Great analysis. It’s intriguing how Tomino’s state of mind translated into his work. I see this quite often throughout anime. This UC Next 0100 project May just remake the entire timeline of F91 and Victory, hmmm curious. On a side note you gotta do Thunderbolt next. I’ve caught up on the manga, and it changes a lot of UC stuff to the point where people are saying it’s an “alternate UC timeline” I’d like to hear your thoughts.
Lots of misinformation on it. Saying that Victory Gundam is a proto alternative timeline is totally wrong. Tomino prefers to use this 30 years timeskip in F91, Victory and G-Reco just to not conform to previous series and start everything anew, with different concepts and characters, without any connection to previous series. Even more when we know that Imagawa wasn't supposed to make G Gundam, but Polka Gundam, that was going to be set on Mars and would feature designs by Okawara, Izubuchi and Kawamori and characters by Kawamoto. This differentiation to a previous series is so much that the original title was Shin/New Mobile Suit V Gundam, keeping away from the previous series from the name itself. Victory actually fails in one aspect: It fails to bring in new fans that were in SD Gundam, one of the reasons why it was made was for get newer fans, but the main audience was mainly the 20's that watched Z and ZZ back then. As this was influenced by Bandai for their desire to increase the selling of "real robots gunpla" (since SD is cheaper, they don't get as much money, even when it is by the same company). Still, Victory ended up making more money on home video than the gunpla itself. "there is no love for late UC" dude, we are literally in the best times for late UC: F90FF tying EVERY SINGLE MEDIA related to Late UC, Cross borne DUST exploring beyond UC 0153, Gundam UCE making new Late UC machines. And the whole purpose of the UC NEXT 0100 was to fill the gap between unicorn to F91, which they are doing since they announced the project. And if you want more Newtype explored by Tomino, He and Turn A and G-Reco completely shits on it, making it quite clear that he changed his mind, G-Reco is quite explicit in it, making it quite clear that are the humans working together to help each other and not psychic space autism that will save everyone.
There's very few series out there that I would actually ever want remade (I usually groan at remakes). Victory (and F91 while we're at it) are things that I would 100% want to see Tomino take another stab at. Yes, they're both have major issues, but there's a core in both of them that serve as a basis for some interesting Gundam content. That said, we need anime adaptations for the Crossbone Gundam stuff. Holy bologna are those things great entries into the UC universe.
Do you agree that Amuro in the original show looked better than he did in Origin or the Cucuruz Doan's Island movie? They shaped his head weird and took away his puffy hair.
Hey Absha, gracias por esta serie de videos, llevo muchos años esperando a que más personas hablen de la franquicia y sobre todo del UC. Cuando yo ví Victory iba de corrido con todo el UC y aún no había Unicorn por ejemplo, era emocionante ver como continuaba todo después de F91, así que definitivamente el contexto y la expectativa te va a dar ciertos ojos con la serie. Como mencionabas Tomino tenía mucha presión por parte de sunrise, hace tiempo leí algo curioso sobre como el Gedlav (la llanta MS) fué producto de esa relación sofocante de los productores y Tomino, con tal de hacer juguetes de todos los MS de Victory, así que engendró esa cosa ridícula (que en lo personal me encanta jaja) probablemente como una mentada de madre por parte de Tomino. Yo igual sigo esperando a que haya algo animado de Gaia Gear, ya veremos que trae Sunrise con los nuevos proyectos. Un saludo desde Tijuas!
The One Wheel with an MS inside isn't so stupid... But a Mobile Base, based on a Battleship, but drives itself like a Motorbike on 2 massive wheels, definitely is! :D For all that is strange in the Gundam franchise, you can find something even more strange. ;-) (Also: This Mono Wheels are also in the Gundam Breaker Games... and there they can be a pest! :D )
I really feel the same way about the battleship, but it occurred to me that there is _one_ practical aspect to a capital ship having wheels. It means that the ship doesn't have to fly all the time. If the air propulsion systems are damaged, it's not completely immobile on land. It's still monumentally stupid, but the existence of one practical consideration makes it slightly less bad in comparison. A mobile suit that can fly or walk is not given additional mobility by sitting inside a giant unicycle.
U.C. = Ubiquitous Char? I think you're right because Uso is supposed to be Char's descendant. And everyone knows Char was supposed to pilot the Gundam, colored in red, in the original Gundam script. LOL Hopefully you'll get to explore Getter too some day.
That's something very interesting since, even though I didn't like it, Late UC has a lot of fans out there. I don't know if it's the wacky mechanical design or enemies that are finally not Zeon but yeah, F91, Crossbone and Victory have a lot of fans hahaha.
@@absa I think it’s tied with G-Reco in terms of quality of there’s one thing I dislike of Victory Gundam & G-Reco is that: 1.Victory Gundam thoughts: The Character Designs to me didn’t fit the show’s tone if fits more with Turn A Gundam Tone. 2.G-Reco: It has the same issue as F91 that’s very rushed/crammed in its basically a 50 episode anime crammed into 26 still loved thought both are tied in my number 9# in my top 10 favorite Gundam installments
@@nia1waifu107 I heard that about Reco... and since I didn't hate Victory even though everyone said so, now I really need to get into G-Reco to experience it for myself haha.
G-Reco TV series is... weird, storytelling is confusing too, the movie fixed those. After watching 3 G-Reco movie, I could tell Tomino tries to make these movies his final masterpieces. Also, maybe we can understand him better with theme song of the animes since he wrote lyrics for them.
Do you think at some point Tomino will return to Gundam & set it in the distant future of UC like UC 1000? Or something & will Gaia Gear happen along with anime adaption of Crossbone Gundam???
I believe that a Crossbone Gundam anime will never happen since model kits of that series have already appeared. As for Gaia Gear... well, Bandai's engineering is very good right now so maybe there can be model kits of the man-machines. And the story can definitely be retconned to be better and more in line with current UC shennaningans... but I don't think that Tomino would be the man to do so, he's very invested in the G-Reco movies right now and he even said in an interview that his time as an anime director is running low.
Oddly enough, V-Gundam was kind of my intro to the Gundam universe but through the model kits I discovered one day at a comics and gaming store in Boca Raton, FL sometime in 1998, that and any issue of Hobby Japan I could get my hands on but I still didn't know anything much about said universe until a little while later. I eventually got caught up, still do not like Wing Gundam or G-Gundam that much. And I have to note here, the enemy mecha in V-Gundam look like something from Orguss...if anyone remembers that series!
Not liking Gundam Wing is a mark of good taste. G-Gundam is ridiculous because it doesn't try to be reasonable, so I can understand having a distaste for it. But if you can get past that and accept it for what it's trying to be, there's a decent story in there somewhere. It's much better than Wing, which is ridiculous because the characters, motivations, and relationship of events are so badly written.
I'm pretty new to the anime side of Gundam, but from what I understand about them and the production side of stuff your Char theory sounds like it could hold merit.
Personally, I think the best way to move forward is to create a timeline shift after Hathaway's Flash separating F90/91 and V gundam as an alternate timeline of the UC and continue with the UC timeline following Hathaway's Flash. Also gonna be honest I'm just a big fan of the larger MS and prefer the style following Char's Counter Attack, Unicorn and Hathaway's Flash.
Other mecha anime you can explore are: (1) Full Metal Panic & FMP: Second Raid (2) Aquarion Evol (3) Big O (season 2 is not as good, but has its moments) (4) Patlabor (5) Eureka Seven (the official sequel however is terrible) (6) Code Geass (tv show version) (7) Martian Successor Nadesico (8) Gurren Lagan (movies version) (9) Zoids: Chaotic Century, Zoids: Guardian Force, and Zoids: New Century Zero
To me, Universal Century exists in three parts: 1. Earth Conflict: MSG - Hathaway's Flash 2. Jupiter Conflict: F90/F91/Crossbone 3. Earth's New Conflict: Victory Gundam *Bonus: Gundam X what if route if mass colony drop succeeded and Newtypes is mutation rather than evolution lol.
I know your main focus is on UC, and you're probably doing all these shows in release order but, I really want to see an IBO or Gundam 00 episode at some point soon
True what u said this anime (Victory Gundam) to much brutal death and sad. The opening actually good and gundam was cool and unique. I already have the model.
Please do Gundam 0083 Stardust Memory, it’s my favorite Ova of Gundam thanks to its openings and the first ending theme “Magic” by Jacob Wheeler and those mechanical designs by Shoji Kawamori are so brilliant. I know it has its issues but I can see past them and the fact that it’s an ok transition between MSG and Zeta with some memorable characters is a testament to it’s true place in the UC timeline.
@@Clyde975 but it Happened in a Very Very Very Very VERY Distant Future of UC tho. Same thing Similar to the Turn A Event happened to the Alternative Universes also.
Loved this Gundam exploration seriesI hope you finish all of Tomino’s Last 2 Gundam stories in Turn A Gundam & Gundam Reconguista In G & HELL TEAH PLEASE EXPLORE ESCAFLOWNE & Evangelion!!!🙏🙏🙏🙏😆😆😆👍👍👍😇😇😇
Turn A Gundam was amazing, it starts slow and the mecha design is very strange, but it's such a peculiar show with a lot of details that, by the end, I liked everything about it... even the moustache hahaha.
@@nia1waifu107 For Escaflowne I already started writing a script... With EVA I saw the series again when it landed on Netflix and didn't like it, yet, I really liked 3+1 so, if I talk about EVA it would definitely be the Rebuild... I just need to watch the movies again haha.
@@absa good luck I understand why you didn’t like OG Eva & EOE it’s not everyone Rebuild Of Evangelion seems to be made for non-Eva fans & those who don’t like Eva
This is the only UC show where I really dislike most of mechanical designs. Hate the Zanscare designs. The Rgm designs and League Militare grunts are mid seen allot better, but also allot worse. I only really like the Gundams, and that's really it.
I really hope we didn't got Char Clone in Witch of Mercury, i don't like Char Clones. Honestly, a more hypocritical Amuro or Monstrous Hathaway is what im looking for. Or a new character archetype, cmon
While Victory was difficult to watch at least it wasn't as mind bogglingly stupid to me as the mcguffin that was the La+ box in Unicorn. I really dislike Unicorn after rewatching it. It manages to successfully erase any sort of nuance retroactively by making Zeon Zum Deikun correct. What victory does right to me is the the mech designs of the Victory V2, the Victory and I like the enemy mobile suit designs sans the tire. If they tone down the sexual harassment or Uso and make it less difficult to follow I think there is a good story in there.
Idk man, Victory still felt like a hard watch. Unicorn has a banging soundtrack and it does not have Shakti, probably one of the most infuriating characters in Gundam
@@daxterthefox The victory sound track is better than unicorn's in my opinion. Stand Up to the Victory never fails to pump me up and get me excited for something which I shouldn't be. Shakti wasn't that bad. Unicorn has some absolytly shit charecters. Banager is the blandest traits of every UC protagonist rolled into one. The bad guy's plan bearly makes any sense beyonf the co-prosperity sphere which is the only thing in the show that kind of makes sense, but the La+ box wouldn't help with that I feel as the La+ box as a concept is such a stupid mcguffin. The whole thing is that the Federation actually hid a part of its consisution in a televised broadcast which was shown to millions most likley and nobody recorded it? All the Unicorn charechters apart from Minerva are UC archetypes. Minerva is the only interesting charecter and she should have been the protagonist, but anime is allergic to good writing these days.
@@ivaniii9707 while I love Stand up to the victory, I do not think there are any other memorable tracks in Victory in terms of background music. The opening is a banger. But that is about it, of course it is your opinion, but I heavily disagree
@@ivaniii9707 Or the broadcast was easily censored and was rapidly in a power vacuum the incident's aftermath that it would hijack and twist what the message was about. I mean look at today's world now similarly. You talking powerful politicians doing similar things from under the table just like nowadays and even in the past see Kennedy's America putting missiles against Russia in Turkey which unfolded the Cuba Crisis which only stopped once America agreed for both of them to agree to withdraw of both sides the missiles is just one example of a lot of things that wasn't publicly. Not to mention Unicorn did add what was the Fed government was. A political family and military corporation AE holding hold all the power dictatorship. That does explain why so much happened in the UC timeline was allowed to happened. Which also starts to explain why AE started it's decline after that.
You missed the point and ignored almost everything about the charracters bad review, instead of basing your opinion on some interview you should actually watch it and pay attention stuff like the angel halo plan makes sense if you do.
This series permanently stucks in my memory. i like how tragic , how brutal, how intense warcrime it was. the only really frustrating point i felt from this series for me was unreal stupidity or crazy level of WOMEN characters in the series. besides, Karl cry was basically unbearable for me. it's as bad as baby cry on plane or bus.
U know when u said it was char's UC i knew u were right even in origins to the original gundam if it wasn't for char principality of zeon would never end so char was kinda a co protagonist alongside amuro he was so much more involved with the war in face value than anyone in UC
but after Victory doesnt Crossbone take place? and even then Crossbone is the "final" UC gundam before G Reconquista after like probably 4000 years? or 40000 years?
IMO the worst fate was Cole from 0083 Stardust Memory.... he was the ultimate hero that ended the war.. yet EF just pure corrupted and charged him treason.....
you should watch the g reco movies. I honestly think its better than people give it credit for. And they couldve easily given rise to a New Gundam century but because people found it confusing, because it wasnt a traditional Gundam it died. But I honestly find the story charming.
@@absa de lo más brutal,crudo en Gundam, la recta final es salvaje, como dices, no andaba de buenas, eso de que se fusionaran Sunrise y Bandai no le estaba haciendo mucha gracia.
Have someone else do U.C., geeez. And let Tomino do whatever he want. Successful or not. Just let the guy be an artist and storyteller. But no, capitalism. Money. Sigh…
I'm not a huge of fan of the late UC period (Anything past Hathaway's Flash). Tho i don't like the design of the F91 Gundam, I really like some grunts designs like the Vigna Ghina II, but for me Victory is just meh..
Fans: “Why is it so brutal and sad?”
Tomino: *jumps on a wheelchair* “I have crippling depression”
"Shakti was getting kidnapped almost every episode"
You are wrong sir! Half the time, Shakti willingly makes herself a hostage, so technically not getting kidnapped if she wanted it...HAHAHA 🤣
I mean that's like saying a can with free candy isn't a kidnapping.
@@DIEGhostfish oh, a *van?* lol yea
@@ProjectRedfoot Yeah
Ive also always thought it was all about Char for Tomino. The moment he killed off Amuro in novel you could tell 🤣
I absolutely forgot about that but, now that you mention it, it definitely makes a lot of sense hahaha
Conquering Earth by reducing its denizens' minds to infant state actually made perfect sense. Once you fire the Angel Halo, there'd be nobody left on Earth to fight you (due to their baby minds) and at the same time, you inherit all the essential facilities without destroying them (much). Your army can just easily drop on Earth and own the whole planet without any resistance.
Even worse as revealed in Ghost that Angel Call was supposed to be used in tandem with the Angel Halo
It makes no sense why they even attacked earth when it was pointless because they already had the angel halo
@@catantcha99 Resources
@@gerogyzurkov2259 at this point in the uc timeline the earth had little resources and most were sent from the colonies to earth so there were no resources to steal
@@catantcha99 That's colony propaganda talk overrating themselves imo which doesn't mean much how would they explain the countless prototypes and mass production MS being made places like Tottenham in Australia look well and populated not to mention Hong Kong in Narrative which is a big city. Not to mention the Amount of men needed to sustain? Let alone the massive project like reactivating and rebuilding the Gyps 2 Laser which would require enormous amt of resources and yet we also still find that places on Earth have enough to feed Earth's population there whatever left. It's likely whatever left of Earth it's left not a lot to sustain that much more, but must be plentiful to last finite until solutions arrive. I know it's likely colonies supporting that too, but that shows that there's still likely a lot left that it many will want to stay for. Water alone is abundance there, then there's still likely precious metals, etc. Plus as stated in the show majority rich choice to stay.
Honestly it's like today (ironic) complaining the exact same thing with the amt of resources. With no massive solutions being done to redeem that shit in today's world either other than (ironic again) to go into space to redeem ourselves. Nothing else long term to help the problems on Earth other than (sheer irony) mirroring Char wanted EF to do- get all the population to get to space and populate there.
I really wish that someday Bandai Sunrise would make other Mobile Suit Gundam mini-series set in the late U.C. timeline besides F91, Victory Gundam and the semi-canocical G-Saviour that I kind of like to be honest. Hoping for Crossbone Gundam to have it's own animated mini-series someday.
Full series for crossbone
I'd rather we kinda...forget Crossbone or spin it off into a non-UC thing. The designs are just way too goofy and "super robo" for UC.
I have a feeling that F91 was meant to be a more of a fairy tale/fantasy... sure they didn't write off the dark and brutal nature of combat in the UC (especially with 'bonked mom")... but since it was rushed and cut short, I still have a wish that it had a real series with a completely different take without Char. It seemed like it was heading toward a story that would put a protagonist couple against the "machine" of the military industrial complex/nation-state.
Honestly, I'd love too see Crossbone animated as well... it seemed like it was a response and exploration of the optimism of F91. Plus ... pirates.
I've got to hand it to you Absa for your work bringing this series to our attention. Victory Gundam is one series that really slipped under the radar here stateside. We have to remember there wasn't the kind of internet we had today back then, and we didn't have digital downloads or even DVDs in the days Victory came out. We relied on the English publications at the time, like Mecha Press, Animerica, and Protoculture Addicts to give us the scoop on what was happening in Japan. And although we knew about Victory, there was not, to my knowledge, an official VHS release of Victory either subbed or dubbed for the English-speaking market.
There was a thriving VHS bootleg market in the US with fan made subtitles for most of the good stuff, like those 0080, 0083, and 08th MS Team OVAs. I had no problem getting my hands on those. And Gundam Wing was so big here, the subs and dubs came direct from Sunrise itself. But Victory Gundam? If there was any fan bootleg, I never found one. Most of the Victory related stuff I could get my hands on were line art books and, of course, the Gunplas, which were really innovative for the time (if a bit small).
What the line art told me was that this was a series that looked somewhat similar to the original Gundam: big, exotic mobile armors, interesting prototypes, and a return of the "land battlerships" like the Big Tray and the Dobday. It looked similar to the middle third portion of MS Gundam, which was my favorite part of that series. It's a shame that the plot seems to have left a lot to be desired.
As far as the violence and the darkness of Victory, it would have to be pretty dark in my opinion to top Iron Blooded Orphans. That series made Zeta Gundam look like Barney and Friends by comparison, at least to me. Then again, isn't that what Gundam in the UC was always about? After all, Absa, the last line in the famous introductory narration in MS Gundam was "Who Will Survive?" And the answer seems to be always, "not very many."
The universal century around this era seemed to have so much potential. I don’t like much of Gundam either after Zeta . Victory seems like such a misstep to me, I understand why Tomino hated this show.
I used to think like that also, like the UC had a lot of potential if they got rid of Zeon. The trouble is that no other faction had a true narrative weight to make it compelling... maybe Cosmo Babylonia (which btw, is an amazing name), but it just didn't work with the limited time of F91. Hopefully after Hathaway's Flash Sunrise decides to tell new stories set in those time periods.
@@absa I actually liked F91.
What about Gaia Gear? That one was supposed to continue the timeline of UC, but with more distant future and different history.
@@absa i have said this enough, UC run its course, gundam isnt superman where you can just shove another villain in and call it a day, what made UC, UC, was that it was a story about a war, and its consequences, UC ended after hathaway. everything else is basically AU anyway.
if you take F91 or crossbone, and didnt change anything beyond saying it was AU, nothing would change. because their conections is so small to begin with.
adding more to the UC will be basically that, making an AU and crowbar it in to make it fit. has nobody learn anything from Reconguista? let the UC be UC, since zeta, it always worked best with smaller stories. and some of its smaller stuff is far superior to even the best of their main series.
@@marcosdheleno g reco is awesome
I would like to point out that this was not the last official story set in the UC. Technically G-Saviour was. Ignoring it won't make it go away.
I think a strongly-worded, very combustible letter to bandai hq would do the trick 😃
Technically even that isn't the last Universal Century story. There's one set in U.C. 1160.
@@Kenny_F91 which one is that
@@ChronicEye The Cyber Newtype Story: Mad Wang.
And then somewhere down-the-line Turn a happens And then G-Reco.
What's funny about you mentioning potential uses of the Angel's Halo is its inclusion in Super Robot Taisen 30, since both Victory and Narrative are featured as part of the story. Don't ask about how that makes sense, because it doesn't and you just have to accept it. Putting that aside, it actually does briefly explore a what-if scenario if Zoltan managed to get his hands on it.
Really!? Wow, I didn't knew about that... and yeah, it makes absolutely no sense but it sounds absolutely awesome!
@@absa I've only played this one to completion, but the non-OG games are pretty liberal with the stories of the series/franchies that they include. I do enjoy how they combine timelines of anime and have certain events coincide, like the Zero Requiem from Code Geass and the events of CCA taking place around the same time 10 years prior in-game. Might be worth it for you to check this one out if you think that you'd like the rest of the lineup.
@@absa that how super robot wars works in one of the earlier games you can have in the storyline all Gundam up to crossbone Gundam In the same time (yes you have Seabook and amuro interacting) to stop char to dropping axis to earth after knowing turn As black history that's just how it works (my Ingles is kinda bad)
I'd like to see you cover some of the other Gundam series like 08th MS Team and Iron-Blooded Orphans.
I think I like Victory Gundam for the same reason why I want to see Late UC explored more. Early UC and Late UC are both great, but for different reasons.
Early UC: While it has its number of dark moments, it has a light of hope in the form of the Newtype Theory of understanding without misconception.
Late UC: That hope is largely forgotten. What we have as a result is a bleak, dystopian world where things are only getting worse for everyone, especially because instead of understanding each other, the entire Earth Sphere has become balkanized.
Edit: No, Katejina's ending is not happy. She's a blind, homeless amnesiac who's condemned to look for her hometown forever because she forgot that it was destroyed in the earlier part of the series. Not to mention the Earth Federation collapsed at this point. The Federation was corrupt and incompetent, but now all that's left is a bunch of space nations fighting over dominance in Late UC. Late UC is basically quite hopeless.
Yeah.
Exactly!!! People always talk about how Late UC is “so far removed from anything else in UC” - that’s the point! It’s the only logical conclusion based on the behaviors and devotion to ideological beliefs that are present in the UC from its founding!
The Federation was always corrupt, and Zeon always stood as a hope (albeit fanatical and genocidal) for the Spacenoids, who initially desired independence but eventually devoted themselves to hatred of the Federation… both sides stuck stagnating in the same cycle for years and years, eventually those fires would burn out. And they did. We see the remnants of Zeon peter out, and the Federation falls with them.
Instead of learning from and with Newtypes to understand and acknowledge each other (I feel Banagher preached this best), humanity chose to distrust and fear Newtypes, who then could not fulfill their role to help guide humanity into a new plain of existence(I guess maybe coexistence?). The ideological divide tore them apart, as new generations grew up and started their own ways into the world, quite literally picking up the pieces, that’s why you see so many groups in power struggles. Civilization and ideology gave way to a “wild west”. I LOVE it!
Really hoping we start to see more content from the Next 100 initiative, set between Hathaway and Victory, to fill in those gaps. I’d also like to see what happens with Banagher and Mineva, why the Newtypes disappeared, and maybe even remakes of F91 and V Gundam to align more with the newer UC stories like Unicorn.
@@SSJFutureGohan62093 I'm sure the gaps will be filled in, granted it's taking forever. I'm hoping it doesn't take 100 years to finish the UC Next 100 Project.
@@SSJFutureGohan62093 Some people credit the disappearing of newtypes to Judau in one of the Crossbone spin-offs leaving the solar system in a colony spaceship hybrid full of newtypes.
But I don't know about this theory, we never really had conclusive proof that newtypes are a genetic phenomenon, considering that a lot of newtype parents aren't newtypes themselves I argue that having newtype parents helps in nothing in the children being newtypes, so even if Judau took with him the majority of the newtype population more newtypes would appear overtime.
I actually liked this show regardless of its faults. Definitely showcases how fucked and dystopian the Earth has become about 60 some odd years after Char's Rebellion. Kinda makes you think that while Amuro was morally correct, Char was more logically correct in how the Earth will continue to get fucked by the ineffectual elite who still play at being masters of all creation, all the while the Zanscare Empire and BESPA are far far worse in their ideology and approach.
Gundam victory is my favorite Gundam, thanks for the essay about of this anime. I love that anime for his best and his worst.
Scene Unicorn came out I think that the Universal Century have two timelines first is a timeline where the Unicorn, Narrative, and Hathaway(maybe) never happened while the second timeline where the Unicorn, Narrative, and Hathaway happened does sunrise maybe plan to reboot or retelling of both F19 and Victory and maybe this timeline they can insert the Crossbone wheater it's an OVA, a Movie Trilogy or Tv Series
Hmm
Katejina is the best girl in gundam NO DIF
I don't agree with the psychoanalysis of Tomino where you claim that he felt obligated to make victory gundam, because while that is true of this show, it's also true of zeta. Zeta was forced on Tomino, and he so strongly disliked the idea of a direct sequel to gundam that during the zeta pitching process, he originally asked to set the show far in the past, before the events of first gundam, titling it alpha gundam, which got rejected, then asked if he could make the show set so far into the future as to have no connection to the previous show, again rejected, he was effectively being forced into the timeframe that Zeta takes place in and had no interest in continuing the stories of Char and Amuro. Saying Victory feels more forced than Zeta is nonsense because he didn't want to do either of them. He's gone so far as to say that he only has a few anime he's made because he wanted to, and that everything else was on commission.
Your examples of the show being too similar to previous shows are weak and could just as easily be said of those very shows. Usso isn't anti-social like amuro, he isn't naturally violent like kamille, and he takes things more seriously than judau. He's a well defined and unique character, being the youngest gundam protagonist but also the most self-sufficient and forced into maturity early. Everything you use as examples are plot synopsis bullet points that don't speak to the actual content of the show. I don't care that Victory's political faction makeup is kinda sorta similar to ZZ's, the actual themes are quite different. Victory covers political feminism and maternity more than any other previous show, it covers the process of how young people are groomed into ideological extremism much more than any other previous show, and on a metatextual level, I would go so far as to say that the synthesis between the tone of the work and the psychological miasmia Tomino was sinking deeper into is unlike any other anime, gundam or otherwise. These are the kinds of things that I think about when I'm watching or reflecting on victory, not that I've seen a clone of the white base one too many times. Wouldn't it make more sense to criticize Zeta for starting the whole trend of retreading old ground in the first place?
This is a great comment
I find it ironic, actually, that for all of the reluctance you claim Tomino had towards continuing the stories of Char and Amuro, Zeta Gundam's development of both of these characters seems to have been done with loving care. He could have just kept these characters as they were. They aren't central characters, like Camile or Jerid, but both Char and Amuro are part of very strong B plots, far stronger than other OYW veterans like Kai, Hayato, Frau Bow, and Mirai.
Perhaps Tomino had no interest in developing Char, Amuro, or anyone else from MS Gundam. But perhaps this was just a little of the infamous cynicism Tomino displayed towards producers and the press concerning himself and his work. And it is because of this that I agree with you that we shouldn't let whatever Tomino said about Victory cloud our interpretation of what Victory says, and what it means.
Glad to see the contrarian comment on the very top.
I think when it comes to Zeta, it is a situation of constraints breeding creativity. Tomino _had_ to do Zeta, so he looked for a way to make it interesting to (make to) him and we know the results.
As a multi-decade Gundam Asian fan with some degree of Japanese knowledge and seeing ZG, VG, Unicorn and 00 being my favourite, I am genuinely surprised that you would make a 30 mins video on it, despite I couldn't agree with most of your views. However, I understand that this was, to a large part, because of you watching F91 and VG after Unicorn and even Hathaway, and also the fact that you have little access to Japanese or Asian sources of the franchise's development. Firstly, Tomino's plan for the story was indeed interfered by the executives, ever since the first Gundam. He was forced to feature the G-Amour because the management wanted a more super-robot style mech in the show, whereas ZZ started out without Tomino and the tone of the show changed after he received the greenlight for CCA and got involved with ZZ from the middle. And while it may not be obvious to you, there had been multiple attempts to insert UC stories without touching on Char and Amuro, with War in the Pocket and 0083 being the few examples. In fact, the eternally cool Gundam Sentinel novel was conceptualized in between ZZ and CCA's development, but because of copyright disputes between Sunrise and Model Graphics, it ended up only semi-official and restricted to Japanese novel and plastic models until the episode 7 of Unicorn showing the Z Plus as an acknowledgement of it. In other words, F91 and VG weren't the first attempts to write about UC without Char - and think about this too - if you were Tomino, how would you have continued Gundam when you have given Char and Amuro an MIA treatment at the end of the Axis shock scene? At the time, Unicorn would be way ahead of its time in terms of design and so there was the novel Hathaway, which was probably handicapped by its mecha design (and several of its design still feel alien to this date). So Sunrise practically only have few options at the time: namely to slip in some shows before ZG, or to jump forward 30 years to allow for liberty in writing.
F91 was meant to be a 52 episode anime at first, but got cut to a movie due to management decision, and you mentioned a number of management interference in the video already, only to my surprise that you did not mention (or did not know) that the warships and MS with wheels were also the result of management intervention. The management wanted huge battleship fights at the time the main cast travel to Earth and the wheels were the result of unwilling compliance from Tomino. Honestly, VG would have been more coherent to the collective UC timeline had the F91 sequel on the collapse of Cosmo Babylonia been aired, or at least released as a comic, which was followed by the comic entry of Crossbone Gundam which subsequently connected F91 to VG through the "Steel of 7" and "Crossbone Gundam Ghost" entries.
VG does have its negatives for people to complain about, myself included (I mean how could a naked Uso even board the White Ark alive in a soap bubble through the sub-zero vacuum??????), but these aside, VG also have the greatest scenes in Gundam with Reinforce Junior's kamikaze sacrifice and a heavy ending of Shakti keeping quiet about Katejina's desolating end.
After VG, it was clear that there's very little room to continue on with UC and so came the AUs. With the exception of 08 MS team, Unicorn was the first animated attempt to write in UC timeline since the end of VG and also a first attempt to do so (somewhat) after Char's story ended (especially after they toasted the strong potential of a sequel to SEED so badly with Destiny). The idea was to fill the narrative void between ZZ and CCA and to explain the Axis shock a little more and to connect to the post-100 UC, through that little tank MS. Hopefully, they would fill in more gaps between CCA and F91 in the Hathaway movies, and then go on to finish the F91 sequel and then the CBs.
I love the cowboy Zaku in the background
Hahah you noticed! I used to call it Zombrero Zaku, but Cowboy Zaku sounds better... like a P-Bandai repaint of the Commander Zaku waiting to be announced.
And it's red. Casval used to live in Texas Colony so yeah.
I actually didn't mind the aesthetics of Victory and land ships all that much, sure it's weird but the diversity is welcome. What annoys me is the main series itself. where it has to be violent for violence's sake and not for story's sake. It's just his emotional dump project for hating his wife or some shit, which is why all the female characters DIED HORRIBLY aside from the motherly figure and innocent childhood love figure.
Victory and F91 are essentially alternate gundams like you said, I feel like the Unicorn series are the REAL ending for Char / Amuro saga and should be the REAL ending for the UC timeline. Mayyyyyyyyyybe Hathaway's terrorist adventures can count? but we haven't seen the other 2 movies yet so we dunno yet.
Dont forget the bikini babe slaughter..... IN SPAAAAACEEE!
@@riptors9777 looool yassss xD
It's well known that he mentally wasn't doing very well and Victory Gundam was the end result of it with the death count being extremely high especially toward the kids and women. By the end of it, you can only wonder how Uso could cope with so much loss he suffered during the war.
@@Ziko577 He had mental health issues ever since Zeta.. you could see the start of it all with it. The bleakness and hopelessness, the long kill list of supporting characters.. heck in the first couple of episodes the main protagonist saw both his mother and father killed off. Then they tried to course correct with ZZ and it was a disaster too.. a silly teenager commedy was never what gundam was about and stuck out like a sore thumb. But atleast they cought on in the end.
@@riptors9777 More like ever since Ideon lol, maybe even before that. Zeta was supposed to have a happy ending the only reason it was dark was cause they told tomino to do a sequel. Tomino has made lots of goofy shows prior to gundam and also dark ones likes ideon
Great analysis. It’s intriguing how Tomino’s state of mind translated into his work. I see this quite often throughout anime. This UC Next 0100 project May just remake the entire timeline of F91 and Victory, hmmm curious.
On a side note you gotta do Thunderbolt next. I’ve caught up on the manga, and it changes a lot of UC stuff to the point where people are saying it’s an “alternate UC timeline” I’d like to hear your thoughts.
Hell yeah brother! Thunderbolt and stardust memory are very good choices and I will love to hear your thoughts about them 😌✌️
Lots of misinformation on it.
Saying that Victory Gundam is a proto alternative timeline is totally wrong. Tomino prefers to use this 30 years timeskip in F91, Victory and G-Reco just to not conform to previous series and start everything anew, with different concepts and characters, without any connection to previous series.
Even more when we know that Imagawa wasn't supposed to make G Gundam, but Polka Gundam, that was going to be set on Mars and would feature designs by Okawara, Izubuchi and Kawamori and characters by Kawamoto.
This differentiation to a previous series is so much that the original title was Shin/New Mobile Suit V Gundam, keeping away from the previous series from the name itself.
Victory actually fails in one aspect: It fails to bring in new fans that were in SD Gundam, one of the reasons why it was made was for get newer fans, but the main audience was mainly the 20's that watched Z and ZZ back then. As this was influenced by Bandai for their desire to increase the selling of "real robots gunpla" (since SD is cheaper, they don't get as much money, even when it is by the same company). Still, Victory ended up making more money on home video than the gunpla itself.
"there is no love for late UC"
dude, we are literally in the best times for late UC: F90FF tying EVERY SINGLE MEDIA related to Late UC, Cross borne DUST exploring beyond UC 0153, Gundam UCE making new Late UC machines. And the whole purpose of the UC NEXT 0100 was to fill the gap between unicorn to F91, which they are doing since they announced the project.
And if you want more Newtype explored by Tomino, He and Turn A and G-Reco completely shits on it, making it quite clear that he changed his mind, G-Reco is quite explicit in it, making it quite clear that are the humans working together to help each other and not psychic space autism that will save everyone.
hell even gundam x shit on that by having the big guy newtype calling out on people shit and stating that newtypes are people not a fix all people
@@frankspick7544gundam X was one giant piss take on newtypes and I love it for it. It's why garrod just being some guy worked for that show
Literally 17 minutes before the review actually begins.
That's how I roll.
A lot of gundam can benifit them by having a movie trilogy treatment.
Classic gunfsm fit that
Your video is everything i can agree on and it has stirred some emotions in me
There's very few series out there that I would actually ever want remade (I usually groan at remakes). Victory (and F91 while we're at it) are things that I would 100% want to see Tomino take another stab at. Yes, they're both have major issues, but there's a core in both of them that serve as a basis for some interesting Gundam content.
That said, we need anime adaptations for the Crossbone Gundam stuff. Holy bologna are those things great entries into the UC universe.
Do you agree that Amuro in the original show looked better than he did in Origin or the Cucuruz Doan's Island movie? They shaped his head weird and took away his puffy hair.
katejina loos, gundam's most evil queen before lacus clyne
Hey Absha, gracias por esta serie de videos, llevo muchos años esperando a que más personas hablen de la franquicia y sobre todo del UC. Cuando yo ví Victory iba de corrido con todo el UC y aún no había Unicorn por ejemplo, era emocionante ver como continuaba todo después de F91, así que definitivamente el contexto y la expectativa te va a dar ciertos ojos con la serie.
Como mencionabas Tomino tenía mucha presión por parte de sunrise, hace tiempo leí algo curioso sobre como el Gedlav (la llanta MS) fué producto de esa relación sofocante de los productores y Tomino, con tal de hacer juguetes de todos los MS de Victory, así que engendró esa cosa ridícula (que en lo personal me encanta jaja) probablemente como una mentada de madre por parte de Tomino.
Yo igual sigo esperando a que haya algo animado de Gaia Gear, ya veremos que trae Sunrise con los nuevos proyectos.
Un saludo desde Tijuas!
The One Wheel with an MS inside isn't so stupid... But a Mobile Base, based on a Battleship, but drives itself like a Motorbike on 2 massive wheels, definitely is! :D
For all that is strange in the Gundam franchise, you can find something even more strange. ;-)
(Also: This Mono Wheels are also in the Gundam Breaker Games... and there they can be a pest! :D )
I really feel the same way about the battleship, but it occurred to me that there is _one_ practical aspect to a capital ship having wheels. It means that the ship doesn't have to fly all the time. If the air propulsion systems are damaged, it's not completely immobile on land. It's still monumentally stupid, but the existence of one practical consideration makes it slightly less bad in comparison. A mobile suit that can fly or walk is not given additional mobility by sitting inside a giant unicycle.
U.C. = Ubiquitous Char?
I think you're right because Uso is supposed to be Char's descendant.
And everyone knows Char was supposed to pilot the Gundam, colored in red, in the original Gundam script. LOL
Hopefully you'll get to explore Getter too some day.
Victory Gundam is easily one of the most underrated Gundam series ever & one of the best in my opinion!!!😇😇😇
That's something very interesting since, even though I didn't like it, Late UC has a lot of fans out there. I don't know if it's the wacky mechanical design or enemies that are finally not Zeon but yeah, F91, Crossbone and Victory have a lot of fans hahaha.
@@absa I think it’s tied with G-Reco in terms of quality of there’s one thing I dislike of Victory Gundam & G-Reco is that:
1.Victory Gundam thoughts:
The Character Designs to me didn’t fit the show’s tone if fits more with Turn A Gundam Tone.
2.G-Reco:
It has the same issue as F91 that’s very rushed/crammed in its basically a 50 episode anime crammed into 26 still loved thought both are tied in my number 9# in my top 10 favorite Gundam installments
@@nia1waifu107 I heard that about Reco... and since I didn't hate Victory even though everyone said so, now I really need to get into G-Reco to experience it for myself haha.
@@absa good luck with G-Reco just makes sure you pay close attention lol
G-Reco TV series is... weird, storytelling is confusing too, the movie fixed those. After watching 3 G-Reco movie, I could tell Tomino tries to make these movies his final masterpieces.
Also, maybe we can understand him better with theme song of the animes since he wrote lyrics for them.
How did you watch the G-Reco movies? I haven't been able to find them anywhere and I really wanna watch them
@@dickers9012 Gundaminfo uploaded them this year but they already took it down.
Interesting, I found the movies on Rightstuf, but they’re $100 a pop lmao. Are they really better than the TV series?
I still like Victoy Gundam.
Do you think at some point Tomino will return to Gundam & set it in the distant future of UC like UC 1000? Or something & will Gaia Gear happen along with anime adaption of Crossbone Gundam???
I believe that a Crossbone Gundam anime will never happen since model kits of that series have already appeared. As for Gaia Gear... well, Bandai's engineering is very good right now so maybe there can be model kits of the man-machines. And the story can definitely be retconned to be better and more in line with current UC shennaningans... but I don't think that Tomino would be the man to do so, he's very invested in the G-Reco movies right now and he even said in an interview that his time as an anime director is running low.
@@absa do you think he has one more anime project in him or will just write novels from now on & G-Reco is his last anime???
@@nia1waifu107 With Tomino you never know but I really think that his Gundam career will end with the Reco movies.
@@absa makes sense he had a great conclusion with both Turn A Gundam & G-Reco do you plan to cover Ideon, Dunbine & other Tomino anime???
Oddly enough, V-Gundam was kind of my intro to the Gundam universe but through the model kits I discovered one day at a comics and gaming store in Boca Raton, FL sometime in 1998, that and any issue of Hobby Japan I could get my hands on but I still didn't know anything much about said universe until a little while later. I eventually got caught up, still do not like Wing Gundam or G-Gundam that much. And I have to note here, the enemy mecha in V-Gundam look like something from Orguss...if anyone remembers that series!
Not liking Gundam Wing is a mark of good taste. G-Gundam is ridiculous because it doesn't try to be reasonable, so I can understand having a distaste for it. But if you can get past that and accept it for what it's trying to be, there's a decent story in there somewhere. It's much better than Wing, which is ridiculous because the characters, motivations, and relationship of events are so badly written.
V introduction ? you walked thru a curtain of fire
You know, I consider myself a pretty big Gundam fan and yet I had never heard of Gaia Gear before. It sounds like something worth checking out
V Gundam innovated on how the MC introduces their parents ...
Now to hope that you cover Mobile Suit Crossbone Gundam 👀
I'm pretty new to the anime side of Gundam, but from what I understand about them and the production side of stuff your Char theory sounds like it could hold merit.
Personally, I think the best way to move forward is to create a timeline shift after Hathaway's Flash separating F90/91 and V gundam as an alternate timeline of the UC and continue with the UC timeline following Hathaway's Flash. Also gonna be honest I'm just a big fan of the larger MS and prefer the style following Char's Counter Attack, Unicorn and Hathaway's Flash.
Other mecha anime you can explore are:
(1) Full Metal Panic & FMP: Second Raid
(2) Aquarion Evol
(3) Big O (season 2 is not as good, but has its moments)
(4) Patlabor
(5) Eureka Seven (the official sequel however is terrible)
(6) Code Geass (tv show version)
(7) Martian Successor Nadesico
(8) Gurren Lagan (movies version)
(9) Zoids: Chaotic Century, Zoids: Guardian Force, and Zoids: New Century Zero
hey ahba, just a strange though but doesnt zechs mechquise/milliardo peacecraft seem like char in gundam wing?
Zach is a char clone.
To me, Universal Century exists in three parts:
1. Earth Conflict: MSG - Hathaway's Flash
2. Jupiter Conflict: F90/F91/Crossbone
3. Earth's New Conflict: Victory Gundam
*Bonus: Gundam X what if route if mass colony drop succeeded and Newtypes is mutation rather than evolution lol.
other franchise you should explore is the legend of the intergalactic heroes, a true masterpiece
You should do Space Runaway Ideon.
I know your main focus is on UC, and you're probably doing all these shows in release order but, I really want to see an IBO or Gundam 00 episode at some point soon
Still wonder why THIS didn't get a dub, along with Turn A
Turn A was going to get one but got canned
Gaogaigar is a great mecha series to explore. 😄
True what u said this anime (Victory Gundam) to much brutal death and sad. The opening actually good and gundam was cool and unique. I already have the model.
Please do Gundam 0083 Stardust Memory, it’s my favorite Ova of Gundam thanks to its openings and the first ending theme “Magic” by Jacob Wheeler and those mechanical designs by Shoji Kawamori are so brilliant.
I know it has its issues but I can see past them and the fact that it’s an ok transition between MSG and Zeta with some memorable characters is a testament to it’s true place in the UC timeline.
Why do they always use kids in their wars?
I don’t get it either
Because lots of the human race has been killed off and it's have no choice, esp. if you are good at piloting
Hey abhsaalohikas can you cover code geass leiouch of the rebeilbn, Gurren Lagan, pacific rim the black too.
>IBO is the darkest gundam show
>meanwhile victory
Isn't turn a gundam the final gundam series in uc
No it's an alternative timeline
@@Clyde975 but it Happened in a Very Very Very Very VERY Distant Future of UC tho. Same thing Similar to the Turn A Event happened to the Alternative Universes also.
Loved this Gundam exploration seriesI hope you finish all of Tomino’s Last 2 Gundam stories in Turn A Gundam & Gundam Reconguista In G & HELL TEAH PLEASE EXPLORE ESCAFLOWNE & Evangelion!!!🙏🙏🙏🙏😆😆😆👍👍👍😇😇😇
Turn A Gundam was amazing, it starts slow and the mecha design is very strange, but it's such a peculiar show with a lot of details that, by the end, I liked everything about it... even the moustache hahaha.
@@absa do you plan to cover Escaflowne & Rebuild Of Evangelion???
@@nia1waifu107 For Escaflowne I already started writing a script... With EVA I saw the series again when it landed on Netflix and didn't like it, yet, I really liked 3+1 so, if I talk about EVA it would definitely be the Rebuild... I just need to watch the movies again haha.
@@absa good luck I understand why you didn’t like OG Eva & EOE it’s not everyone Rebuild Of Evangelion seems to be made for non-Eva fans & those who don’t like Eva
This is the only UC show where I really dislike most of mechanical designs. Hate the Zanscare designs. The Rgm designs and League Militare grunts are mid seen allot better, but also allot worse. I only really like the Gundams, and that's really it.
I hate Zanscare as villains .
0083, Origin in the future please
I totally forgot about The Origin hahah, thank you for reminding me of it.
F91 should've been a series and Victory should've been the movie
Gundan F91 Part 2 & Crossbone Gundam anime when ??
I really hope we didn't got Char Clone in Witch of Mercury, i don't like Char Clones. Honestly, a more hypocritical Amuro or Monstrous Hathaway is what im looking for.
Or a new character archetype, cmon
We can only pray 🙏 😂 we probably are going to get one but this time with different hair color 😆
While Victory was difficult to watch at least it wasn't as mind bogglingly stupid to me as the mcguffin that was the La+ box in Unicorn. I really dislike Unicorn after rewatching it. It manages to successfully erase any sort of nuance retroactively by making Zeon Zum Deikun correct. What victory does right to me is the the mech designs of the Victory V2, the Victory and I like the enemy mobile suit designs sans the tire. If they tone down the sexual harassment or Uso and make it less difficult to follow I think there is a good story in there.
Idk man, Victory still felt like a hard watch. Unicorn has a banging soundtrack and it does not have Shakti, probably one of the most infuriating characters in Gundam
@@daxterthefox The victory sound track is better than unicorn's in my opinion. Stand Up to the Victory never fails to pump me up and get me excited for something which I shouldn't be. Shakti wasn't that bad. Unicorn has some absolytly shit charecters. Banager is the blandest traits of every UC protagonist rolled into one. The bad guy's plan bearly makes any sense beyonf the co-prosperity sphere which is the only thing in the show that kind of makes sense, but the La+ box wouldn't help with that I feel as the La+ box as a concept is such a stupid mcguffin. The whole thing is that the Federation actually hid a part of its consisution in a televised broadcast which was shown to millions most likley and nobody recorded it? All the Unicorn charechters apart from Minerva are UC archetypes. Minerva is the only interesting charecter and she should have been the protagonist, but anime is allergic to good writing these days.
@@ivaniii9707 while I love Stand up to the victory, I do not think there are any other memorable tracks in Victory in terms of background music. The opening is a banger. But that is about it, of course it is your opinion, but I heavily disagree
@@ivaniii9707 Or the broadcast was easily censored and was rapidly in a power vacuum the incident's aftermath that it would hijack and twist what the message was about. I mean look at today's world now similarly. You talking powerful politicians doing similar things from under the table just like nowadays and even in the past see Kennedy's America putting missiles against Russia in Turkey which unfolded the Cuba Crisis which only stopped once America agreed for both of them to agree to withdraw of both sides the missiles is just one example of a lot of things that wasn't publicly.
Not to mention Unicorn did add what was the Fed government was. A political family and military corporation AE holding hold all the power dictatorship. That does explain why so much happened in the UC timeline was allowed to happened. Which also starts to explain why AE started it's decline after that.
You missed the point and ignored almost everything about the charracters bad review, instead of basing your opinion on some interview you should actually watch it and pay attention stuff like the angel halo plan makes sense if you do.
The only good thing in victory, is the opening stand up to victory.
or Winners Forever or Don't Stop Carry on
This series permanently stucks in my memory. i like how tragic , how brutal, how intense warcrime it was. the only really frustrating point i felt from this series for me was unreal stupidity or crazy level of WOMEN characters in the series. besides, Karl cry was basically unbearable for me. it's as bad as baby cry on plane or bus.
So G Gundam is next? HYPE MODE ACTIVATED
When you do Macross 7, remember to listen to his song. You will know what I mean.
I like victory since it’s the most similar to Zeta, my favorite, but it definitely feels like Tomino was out of gas…
U know when u said it was char's UC i knew u were right even in origins to the original gundam if it wasn't for char principality of zeon would never end so char was kinda a co protagonist alongside amuro he was so much more involved with the war in face value than anyone in UC
Teatons
Tee-Tahns.
but after Victory doesnt Crossbone take place? and even then Crossbone is the "final" UC gundam before G Reconquista after like probably 4000 years? or 40000 years?
Crossbone is inbetween F91 and Victory, I think Crossbone DUST is after Victory though.
Why not count G-Savior?
It's not made by Tomino.
It’s non canon.
@@leo11lim it is canon
@@joshkelso123
This official video says it’s not canon.
th-cam.com/video/mj3zDGgFRXw/w-d-xo.html
@@leo11lim agreed
IMO the worst fate was Cole from 0083 Stardust Memory.... he was the ultimate hero that ended the war.. yet EF just pure corrupted and charged him treason.....
you should watch the g reco movies. I honestly think its better than people give it credit for. And they couldve easily given rise to a New Gundam century but because people found it confusing, because it wasnt a traditional Gundam it died. But I honestly find the story charming.
Hmm
Excelente información , pero no tienes canal , hablado al español?
V건담이 스토리전개가 절망적이어서 그렇지 결말은 우주세기 대미를 장식하는 느낌을 잘살려서 좋았습니다 ㅠㅠ
It's really in a lot of your videos, the misnaming -> sorry, correction joke. It's a little tiring, but otherwise I enjoy your videos a lot
WEINERS FOREVER
Tremenda serie Victory
Super brutal, se nota que Tomino no estaba de buenas.
@@absa de lo más brutal,crudo en Gundam, la recta final es salvaje, como dices, no andaba de buenas, eso de que se fusionaran Sunrise y Bandai no le estaba haciendo mucha gracia.
You didn’t get Victory at all.
I HATED Shakti and that Godawful baby.
Have someone else do U.C., geeez.
And let Tomino do whatever he want. Successful or not. Just let the guy be an artist and storyteller.
But no, capitalism. Money. Sigh…
Tee-tans
meh this 1 at least has it moments few n far between they may b n kick ass op theme, enough 2 win me over ta get a hg assault buster victory lol
Are they multiverse Gundam?? 😂😂😂
Victory Gundam desperately needs to be remade...as its flaws are very apparent and are unacceptable.
I'm not a huge of fan of the late UC period (Anything past Hathaway's Flash). Tho i don't like the design of the F91 Gundam, I really like some grunts designs like the Vigna Ghina II, but for me Victory is just meh..
Victory gundam was fine until ep 49, where they send women in bikinis
Actually you know what? I think Victory Gundam should no longer be made canon, since the show is THAT bad.
then Crossbone Ghost shouldn't be made canon if that's the case?
It's not bad. Just brutal
I don't like your accent. Peace