The real Dune
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 พ.ค. 2024
- What is the real story of Dune in the original book, compared to the 2021 Dune movie?
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This video has spoilers for the 2021 Dune movie and the first half of the first Dune book.
It has no big spoilers for the sequel books or future movies - just some minor lore details and quotes.
Images and video from Dune used under fair use. Clips from Dune (2021) movie, Dune (1984) movie, Dune (2000) miniseries, Jodorowsky's Dune (2013).
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References & further reading:
Frank Herbert interview with Willis E. McNelly, 1969: • Frank Herbert on the o...
Frank Herbert interview with Jim Freund, 1976: archive.org/details/WBAI_99_5... and archive.org/details/WBAI_99_5...
Frank Herbert interview with Mother Earth News, 1981: www.motherearthnews.com/natur...
Frank Herbert interview with Jean Marie Stine, 1984: futurespast-editions.blogspot...
Frank Herbert at UCLA, 1985: • Frank Herbert speaking...
The Maker of Dune by Frank Herbert and Tim O’Reilly (1987)
Dreamer of Dune by Brian Herbert (2003)
Haris A. Durrani on Arabic and Islam in Dune: / revisiting-dune-table-...
Special thanks to Patrons Cameron Weiss, Michael Appell, Ryan Steele, Harry, Shane Veglia, NotGac, Tim Cunniff, T. Ledoux, Ilhuilkamina Urdiana.
0:00 Dune
1:38 Imperium
5:32 Bene Gesserit
06:38 Spice
08:09 Harkonnens
10:20 Atreides
11:14 Sardaukar
11:52 Paul
13:09 Leto & the bull
15:32 Gom jabbar
17:49 Kwisatz Haderach
20:46 Gurney Halleck
21:53 Shields
22:46 Duncan Idaho
23:51 Caladan
24:44 Lisan al-Gaib
25:55 Fremen mysteries
26:59 Mapes
28:47 Hunter-seeker
29:26 Conservatory
31:00 Traitor
31:48 Leto’s doom
32:37 Stilgar
34:45 Liet-Kynes
37:21 Harvester
39:07 Dinner party
43:46 Divisions
45:46 Yueh
49:06 Harkonnen attack
58:17 Paul’s visions
1:01:41 Kynes’ death
1:06:59 Storm
1:09:56 Desert
1:12:55 Fremen
1:22:40 The beginning
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Brilliant as always!
What do you rate this iteration of Dune? As much as I love this movie I can’t bring myself to give it an A with sections like the dinner scene, and a proper Jessica/yueh conversation where they talk about wanna and yueh tries to trick Jessica, also the limited exposure to the residents of giedi prime. I think I would have to give it an 87.5!
P.s.
Also they needed a little more of a history lesson in the beginning we learned a fair bit about the landsraad and the bene gesserit, but little to nothing about the mentats, the butlarian jihad, house corrin, and not enough explanation on the correlation between melange the spacing guild and their reliance on it!
Hey ASX! The black goo is actually a reference to petroleum. You can see in the way it bubbles up as the baron sleeps that it looks very much like oil.
As always wonderful video, but I have to ask - what's up with those names?
Piter == Pyter
Chani == Chayni / Chaini
But the same logic is not used for other names like :
Jamis =/= Jaimys
Duncan =/= Duncain
So what's the deal with Peter and Chani is there a hidden meaning?
GREAT VIDEO THANK YOU
As someone who finally is deciding to get into Dune, it’s really weird realizing that “oh… everybody in all of fiction stole from this” even more than LOTR it feels like
My enjoyment for Warhammer 40k plummeted when I crossed that line
@@andrew3606Could you elaborate? I don't get what you are implying (Does everything steal from Warhammer 40k?)
@@adrianalbertomadonnarondon1471 Warhammer itself copied a lot from other sources namely starship trooper, terminator, and pretty much dune
@@andrew3606 i mean ya? Do you not know whay 40k was in its early incarnations? It was literally a blatant satire of these stories specifically callingnitself out for that at every turn, the new lore hasnt forgotten that at all. Depsite being "grim dark" 40k is super self aware and has never pretended to be anything its not. Like its not a copy its a homage, 40k is cool because it is all of sci fi in one gigantic pulsating bundle. Whatever you like of sci fo exists in 40k and thats on purpose. Its not stealing its just reframing in an open context with infinite excuses for creatviity to allow for an extremely open ended wargame to be formed and enjoyed.
@@adrianalbertomadonnarondon1471 The imperium, which went through an AI/robot extinction level event and has since banned all computers, guided by the Emperor of Mankind, who has an army of super soldiers that everyone is afraid of, some of which worship him as a god (HE DOESN'T WANT THAT) and whos footsoldiers use lasguns, who use navigators to safely travel through space. I'm describing the 40k-verse, sound familiar? Dune came first btw.
"Game of thrones, in space, on drugs" is such a formidable pitch: it sounds so 60s yet Dune talks about such fundamentally human topics it manages to be timeless
Dune is what Game Of Thrones wishes it could be.
@@michaelsasylum Season eight was released 3 years ago
Dune is leagues above what game of thrones wishes it could be
@@SundownerFlood we don't talk about that season here ... the north remember ...
@@ilikeknives1000 But now it is best to forget
38:30 small correction:
Leto spots the worm first, there is a bounty on spotting worms that Leto therefore deserves. He gives that bouty to the workers.
When can we expect a video on Dune part 2? This video was so great. It provided so much insight to the movie without having to read the book! Thank you!!!
It’s gonna take a while
Shame you think not having to read the book is a 'good' thing.
No wonder the generational dumbing down continues ...
Part 2 is out for a while now, we wait for part 3 now
@@lizsteeds6697don’t even
@@lizsteeds6697I read the book because of this movie and video. And it was soooo amazing I definitely recommend everyone to read it
The name Harkonnen comes from a Finnish surname Härkönen which comes from the word härkä meaning bull. So in a way Paul is also fighting a bull
Its an ox not a bull, good point tho
Neat detail!
@ O G
What do you call a male ox?
@@eddiepolo6047 An ox
@@siamzero9480 nope, its bull
Didn't realize how much deeper the Dune universe is than how the movie portrays. Incredible.
And it's much, much, much, much deeper than what this video can portray also. It's mind-blowingly deep, and broad.
Yeah thats why I want to read it, it is not possible to portray the book in a movie, the changes in the movies were necessary
@@quantillaprudentia1345it is absolutely worth to read.
I'm currently reading it for the third time (and listening to the audio book). I truly believe this is one of the most amazing books ever written.
*Dune-iverse
Is there a second one like this explaining the second movie yet? This was really well done.
Might take a while to make since it just came out
"well dune"
ugh the second movie trampled all over Frank Herbert's plot line and characters. It's going to be a hard video to make because they are almost opposite stories
@@davidshane2733how so
@@davidshane2733tbf i think they did what they had to to make the book translate over to film, e.g. having Alia not appear as a very young girl was probably done because getting a child of that age be able to act like they have 1000s of lives worth of knowledge well is near impossible
It's just been 20 mins of watching and I am so moved by the beautiful way in which you have discussed the entire learning that comes from this piece of art.... hats off to your work
Alt Shift X releasing 86 minutes of analysis on Dune. Bless the Maker and His water.
@Alt Shift X do the works of Olaf Stapledon
Ayo I watch your videos. You're awesome!
Water is toxic for sand worms.
Bless the coming and going of Him!
shai hulud bless us
First of all, cheers to you for citing evidence via quotes for almost every claim you make. That must have been time consuming and annoying but *boy* does it add a lot to the video. Also, the visual aids were so incredibly helpful for a person who hasn’t read the books (like me). Without them, I would have gotten confused with all the names, plot lines, and locations. Amazing video, keep up the stellar work!!
That's the Alt Shift Standard for you.
Wait til you discover Alt Shift X Game of Thrones….
You are missing out, if you've never read the original Dune. It is one of the best science fiction books ever released, and it is, for all intents and purposes, beautiful in its imagery, and its ability to explain complexities of the characters, and their interactions. It's definitely one of the best books ever written. It's one that more teachers should be teaching in their creative writing courses.
100% agree. Good job, good job, good job.
You just have to read the book. I read Dune when I was in seventh grade. It had been out for a couple years. My brothers were also reading it, and we sat in the living room together reading for hours. It was a thrilling experience because it's a thrilling story. Dune was published in 1965. Frank Herbert spent six years writing it. It's one of the best science fiction novels of all time.
I'm praying Alt Shift X will make the companion video of Dune part 2 soon!
20 mins in and realized the explanation video is almost as long as the movie lol. Great breakdown! Needed all of this.
Summarizing Dune in this format really reveals how insanely creative Frank Hebert was.
Fubibum Rabam
More like a mad genius RIP Frank Herbert
His genius is showing you the real world in which you live in, as though it were a world of fiction.
Absolutely but he couldn’t write at all. Have you ever tried to read it? It’s so bad lol. If he had someone who could write well do it for him, I bet anything it would have been one of the most compelling books ever written. The plots are so so SO good.
@@saysHotdogs that is subjective, i enjoy Frank Herbert's writing style more than Tolkiens, he's as descriptive with thought as tolkien was with surroundings.
Plus his world building is just fantastic, left a plethora of material for his son to butcher.
The film really needed a scene where they explained the importance of Mentats in a society where thinking machines are illegal, and reveal to Paul that he has what it takes to become a Mentant himself.
I thought you were talking about Fallout
no it didn't
They did my boy Thufir dirty in the movie. Dude's probably the top mentat and most dangerous person in the galaxy. He deduced how the Emperor was creating the Sardaukar, then created the plan to use the Fremen to defeat them. They made him seem like some over-the-hill lackey.
It's coming later
It’s incredible to me that you all have decided that every detail and every concept needed to be explained in the FIRST PART of a MULTIPLE PART SERIES. Like calm down and wait. It was a fantastic adaptation, and was mostly true to the source material.
Want to know why this book was long thought unfilmable? Because it takes an hour and a half of explaining things to barely even scratch the surface of what's really going on in the first HALF of the first book lmao.
Love to see dune getting this recognition and to see people talking about how dune is the predecessor and the inspiration for what we love about modern writing and film. I read it a couple years ago because my dad has been all over it since he was a kid. Love it yall!
I feel like Leto and Jessica are one the deepest, most tragic love stories you could ever read. It's not about two people who sacrificed everything for their love, but rather of two people who sacrificed their love for the greater good, because they knew that in the grand scheme of things, their relationship was not important to anyone but them. They would never give up their duties just to be together, because they know that that is not what the other one would have wanted.
I think this is a much deeper and much more selfless form of love, one that makes me shed a tear every time I read this book.
A great story with so much passion that u just follow the flow and for get some minor details .I loved the details of each person and their personalities all so real..Thank you for this book..
And don't forget how they had to scheme against each other from time to time, but still loved each other despite this. They knew it would never be out of spite, just out of political necessity
lmao, this is not true at all
@@brwahussen what’s your opinion of them ? I’m curious to hear now
@@brwahussen Duke Leto literally told Paul to tell Jessica that he loved her in case he didn't survive the political trap set for them by the Emperor and the Harkonnens
It’s amazing how the book tells you in all the plans within plans, no attack is unexpected, but it’s still such a page turner. Frank herbert had some true writing talent.
It plays with suspense in a really interesting way, by revealing very explicit details long ahead of time, but without a lot of the connective tissue that lets it click immediately. You get to read Jamis' funeral dirge at least 100 pages before you find out who he even is, Irulan gets thorough characterization despite having only 2 lines of her own in the book, and in later books like Children of Dune you get reveals like the identity of Hark al-Ada near the end while getting to know both sides of him very thoroughly throughout. There's a great deliberateness to everything that it hardly ever draws attention to, and it makes everything all that much more impressive.
@@nicholascage3400
Even Muad'ib is a mysterious character : Irulan writes about him at the introduction of every chapter, but it is only in the middle of the book that you learn that Paul and Muad'ib are the same person.
it was the most boring book
@@lightlyfriedfishfillets8117 You mean like relative to the other books, right? And you made sure to read it to the end?
I could see someone being more excited by the other books, or feeling like the first 100 pages was slow. You could even say that its not the kind of book you like or something. But there is no way this is a boring book lmao
And yet, the film didn't reveal anything and was boring as hell
It's so good seeing you with all these subs, they're well earned. Thanks for all the great content!
Man, this story is so well told, vizualized and structured. Thank you so much for making it easier to get into the series :)
This video is unfathomably well produced. I can't even begin to imagine how much work was required to pull everything together into this cohesive masterpiece
Is there a place in the movie that shows when they were "Folding Space " to travel ?
Alt Shift X is the son of a god of lore with a god of history
@@TOMAS-lh4er no, it just shows a heighliner above caladan where you can see a planet on the other end of the wormhole. It’s when Helena mohiam is flying down to caladan.
this.
It was nice to talk to you.😀
One small detail. Spice does not smell like cinnamon. Due to its psychological effects it smells different to every single person, but specifically of cinnamon to Dune's main character, Paul
Facts. Another detail is that Emperor Shaddam wasn’t just worried about Leto’s popularity with the other houses, but also because the Atreides military is considered just as dangerous as the Emperor’s…. Which, coupled with Leto’s rising popularity, would make House Atreides way too dangerous.
@@blaxpoitation8528 I thought Leto's interest in the fremen was that they were as dangerous or more so than the sardukar?
@@optimisticnihilist3417 True. But that is after the Emperors plot already put him onto Arrakis. The Atreides military, trained by two of the best fighters and military tacticians in the universe, is one of the most powerful before this plot and could rival any other House (or the Emperor himself). Only with the combined power of the Emperor and the Harkonnen could break them. Which leaves them both weakend and vulnurable to (avoiding spoilers) the second halve of the book.
So, as with many things in the book, things are much more layered and the actions of each characters are, from their perspective, very reasonable and logical. The Baron Harkonnen didn't put decades worth of income and a significant portion of his resources (not to mention the damage on the planet and the Spice production) just for vengeance. The book makes it very clear that he aims for the throne, if not for himself then for his nephew Feyd-Rautha, which doesn't exists (so far) in the movie. Just as the Emperor wanted to use the plot to put the Baron into his place, shown by the subplot where Count Hasimir Fenring visits the Baron on Giedi Prime. Which incluedes another character I highly doubt we will see in the movie. The Subplot alone could make a movie..
@@blaxpoitation8528 Also, Leto is related to the emperor which couod give him a claim to the throne.
@@YggdrasilAudio This is true, I’d almost forgotten that fact. I’m wondering how Christopher Walken’s portrayal of Shaddam will be. He’s definitely a charismatic actor. Personally, I’d pictured Mads Mikkelsen in that role. I think Walken might play him slightly unhinged..? Idk..
I can confidently say this is the first TH-cam video over an hour that I’ve not only watched the entire way through but went back when I wasn’t confident in my understanding of this story and your explanation of it, truly a masterpiece of the internet
I dont think i've ever got past 10 mins of this video, sleep every time, its my go to for bedtime, its great stuff
The amount of delete scene in this movie is insane! 6 hour directors cut would definitely be something I watch!
Same, hard
You mean 60 hours? For the first half? :D
The worst thing about Denis is his dislike of extended cuts. There is not 6 hours of usable footage, but there is a good 30 minutes minimum.
Yeah and it would probably be more accurate than the TRASH we got
@@shanecurtis7797 Trash is RIDICULOUSLY over the top 😭
I read Dune in high school after hearing another student's book report on it. I ended up reading all of the series including Chapter House. zzzzz I had only read one other small book before this. It changed my life. I ended up reading hundreds of sci-fi and fantasy novels and almost all of Stephen Kings novels. I learned so much from reading I ended up being the first in my family to go to college and I believe it was all because of reading.
I had an similar story, but it was The Witcher books that did it for me, after them i read almost all of Stephen King's, Abercrombie, and others, including Dune itself. It creates a love for the material that you can't even explain, so i feel you
wow seeing my whole story right here. Abercrombie, dune, the expanse, Scotcard. @@wasterman
That's so awesome!!
Reading is such an experience, literally a movie in your head . I believe the comprehension skills you acquire help with studying and overall understanding
Being the first one in family to go to college isn't a high bar to reach. You set it up as though you were gonna say you became the first place winner of your country's trivia olympics from all your knowledge.
Amazing video, hoping you make another like this for Dune part 2
Your descriptions are witty and accurate. I could not help but chuckle.
Its surreal that I've been subbed to you since 2015 from watching the Game of Thrones lore videos. Now in 2022, still following you for more lore videos on different media that I love. Thank you and keep up the amazing work as always!
Just goes to the show how people such as ourselves came to his content. He was smart to expand to other material especially after Game of Thrones crashed and burned in Season 7 and 8. Thankfully, there's an ample amount of great fantasy/sci-fi content to breakdown
Same! And he exploded my understanding of the lore in Raised by Wolves. Absolutely uplevels my enjoyment of every book, movie or show he covers.
Same thing here, and now his video of dune popped up in my feed and I thought "Thank god he's doing new videos on this other thing I love". Quinns ideas channel has good videos, but I really enjoy alt shift x`s style.
So how much of the lore do you know for yourself, and how much of it is stuff you've already been force-fed?
Seconded.
The moment he popped up in my feed again was even similar in terms of "fandom acquantance": I got into the movie(s) for a good year before finding his reviews, and in turn rethinking the lore I was familiar with so far.
Very, Very short Summary; Dune is a giant galactic war between several different drug dealers who all want control of the source.
This is the moment Paul Atreides became Paul Muad’dib Usul.
The Space Cartels
Don’t forget the part of the emperors son getting so blazed in planet Saudi Arabia that he turns into a immortal supersized worm
You forgot to add that it sucks and people walk around with snorkels up their noses but they don't care for their eyes.
@@jessesmans9791yeah yeah we get it you dont like the popular things
I need more of this. It was a wonderful dive into a set of books and movies I, personally, can't manage to set down an work through. It's not for a lack of enjoyment, but rather an incapability to make time to read it in any decent amount of time to really enjoy it.
Just watched a bunch of dune videos in a row and this one easily stands out as the best. Great content man
If they plan on being faithful to Paul's evolution over the course of the movies, it's probably a good move on their part to humanize him to the audience while they still can. 😅
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That is ominous af 😭
@@theextreem Well, he will undergo quite the reverse metamorphosis. If you want to know more, have a look at the plot of book two or three.
I wonder if, for political reasons, they will renamed "crusades" what Paul will do ?
@@shamon351 this sounds more like conservative angst than relevant to Dune in any way tbh.
I have been a fan of Dune since the 1980s, and have never heard it explained as succinctly and as well as it is explained here. Well done.
Me a few years later. I actually found the book when 14 years old, thrown away by someone. Picked it up, had no idea what it was about, but desided to read it. :)
If you are really into Dune universe, Quinn’s Ideas channel is unsurpassed in his insight.
@@Wally-jo8mf his youtube channel is really good, nice to see him getting the recognition he deserves.
@@andrewgoudy676, Dune is the 12th Imam or Mahdi emerging as the leader of Islam in the desert. Told you in ten seconds. That saves time.
"DUNE," to quote the author "I am showing you the superhero syndrome and your own participation in it." - Frank Herbert, speaking about "DUNE."
@@andrewgoudy676, Dune is the 12th Imam or Mahdi emerging as the leader of Islam in the desert. Told you in ten seconds. That saves time.
"DUNE," to quote the author "I am showing you the superhero syndrome and your own participation in it." - Frank Herbert, speaking about "DUNE."
This was exactly the type of content I needed after watch Dune Part 1 and 2! Please please make another one for Part 2!
This is gold. Please make a part 2 of this.
I absolutely adore Dune's take on scifi, its so much more mature than most others. The idea of a religious crusade that bans computers and artificial intelligance resulting in a future based on the direct expansion of the human mind is fascinating and alluring, it really adds another level to the film when you know many of these characters are vastly more intelligent and calculated than any human thats ever lived today.
Well, I hate Dune for many things, but I also love it for exactly that, what you already pointed. After all Dune is one of a very few books/games/movies which expand humans mind and its natural biological possibilities and its not over glorifying technology like Star Trek or space wizardry like Star Wars. Just pure human mind, how awesome that is?
@@rohenthar8449 why do you hate it...without any spoilers I'm reading the first book right now
@@sparklesparklesparkle6318 I know
I really love the worldbuilding revolving on the religions/fusions of religions it has.
@@rohenthar8449 ANSWER QUESTION
I think the movie simplifies the story in a pretty fair way, which is necessary to translate the book the a new medium, however I do wish they had kept the dinner party scene. The Dune movie makes it feel like there's just a tiny colony on the planet, as opposed to different fractions and settlements.
The main problem with the dinner scene is that in the book the vast majority of the action is literally just the thoughts of Paul and Jessica, more so than almost any other scene. But I do wish the movie found a way to make Arrakis feel more populated.
@@onua2012sga Disagree. There's a lot of interaction with characters in the dinner party which really helps to flesh out the depth of the intrigue within the plot. That is, there are major players, minor players, wanna-be players, and has-beens, all jockeying for influence, sort of like real life (the Game of Thrones comparison was brilliantly funny). It's really fascinating how Frank Herbert dresses this critical scene with words and exposition. What a master of the craft.
@@spudeleven5124 the problem is, how do bring the book format and monolog thoughts to the movie format . Its had to present the intrigue in a conversation when its represented as a bunch of thoughts in the book
@@johnsamuel1999 That's where creative writing comes in. The thought monologues can be brought into conversations with other characters, but subtly, or just use voice-overs, but VERY sparingly. Narration would also help fill in the gaps (but DON'T overdo it as in the revised 1984 edition). Right now if you weren't familiar with the source material, the 2021 version of Dune would just appear be a lot of disconnected and oversimplified razzle-dazzle on a par with those dipstick superhero movies. This is why I keep arguing that Dune, being so complex and layered, can only be done well if it is presented in a long form with the story arcs taking months if not years to go through. "Game of Thrones in Space" is what the narrator of this outstanding critique called the book, and it's my fervent belief that it's a gross disservice to pack such a huge and sophisticated story into such an oversimplified move and in a two or three hour runtime. This is why I think the 2000 version came closest. They (SciFi) did a lot of work in Eastern Europe to save money, but it was still pretty obvious with the Translights, etc. that it was on a sound stage. THAT was compensated for by making it more like Shakespeare, including camera angles, use of colors, and of course Ian McNeice's couplets at the end of his scenes. All of these touches gave it a more theatrical presentation which in my opinion compensated mightily for the lack of locations. They told the story well and got a lot more of it on the screen than has been seen before or since.
Absolutely one of the best parts of the book. "...a man who'd climb on the shoulders of a drowning man is understandable, except when it happens in the drawing room -- or at the dinner table."
what an amazing breakdown! thank you so much. cant wait for the 2nd part to come out
You have a very relaxing and soothing voice. Thank you for so clearly articulating and detailing these events. With wonderful scenes from both movies and movie series and even novels/comics to illustrate and help the imagination. Also always making a clear distinction between movie and book. Very high quality video this one!
I've got to say this was probably the best synopsis of the Dune universe ever. Accessible, not an overload of information, enjoyable to watch as a beginner or as a veteran reader of the Dune series, but also comprehensive. Loved it!
bro its an hour long lmao
I absolutely agree
I also enjoyed it, but I found the cynicism at every turn a bit much (possibly I'm too forgiving or naive?). I don't recall the other recaps being so cynical.
I read the books over 50 times for decades. This is so well done and explained. I love it. Perfect for people who love the movie, and havent read the books.
makes me wanna read the books
The exact moment I fell in love with the film was at the spice harvester scene, where Paul kneels in the sand and whispers, "I recognize your footsteps, old man", and immediately gets snatched up by Gurney Halleck. So this is both a direct callback to the scene where Gurney berates Paul for standing with his back to the door and Paul says, "I could tell it was you by your footsteps", AND it directly refers to the sandworm that he feels coming through the vibrations in the sand (the "Old Man of the Desert"). That level of subtlety is present throughout the film, and even if a viewer doesn't know exactly what it means, it sets the tone so beautifully.
But I did miss the dinner scene and the full depth of Yueh's character. Those were two of the five very minor gripes I had with the entire film.
It’s also a nod to Paul’s prescience, that despite never having seen a worm before he greets it like he’s known it all his life. “He will know your ways as one born among you” and all that.
@@stephenm.stouter2238 Exactly! I just love that the point isn't belaboured at all, it's just a throwaway line, but it carries so much meaning.
Yesss. That is such a good line!
@@AzaleaJane and it's NOT from the book! I don't know which of the screenwriters came up with it, but it shows a level of understanding of the book's themes that just stuns me.
And with the release of Part 2, we can also see it was foreshadowing as well! Paul may have been seeing a vision of meeting Gurney at the spice harvester in Part 2, he says the exact same line
I decided to tough it out and for 3 days straight listened to all 21 hours of the dune audiobook… thank god videos like this exist. Great work!
Great video! Love the pictures and the captions. Keep up the great work!
7:40 The spice doesn't just taste like cinnamon. Yueh responds to Jessica saying it does by saying it's "never twice the same." He then explains that some believe that the spice "produces a learned-flavor reaction. The body, learning a thing is good for it, interprets the flavor as pleasurable--slightly euphoric." Jessica just tasted cinnamon. (This happens at the end of chapter 8 of the first book.)
so fucking cool
he does point out the cinnamon smell of spice a couple times, tho
Yeah that's maybe the detail that pushes me over the edge to read the books. That's awesome.
Yeah, it's generally made quite clear in the books that spice is almost mystical, and isn't just some garden variety flavouring or drug.
@@equidistanthoneyjoy7600 It think LSD is described to have that quality.
I was hoping the movie would have mentioned that nobody not a Fremen had seen a crysknife before and lived, and Mapes only showed one to Jessica when they were alone. The Fremen were religious fanatics; fanaticism is a key component of many groups in Dune.
Yeah the part where a crysknife cannot be sheathed back without it drawing blood first is missing from the movie
Need a part 2 for the second movie, this explains so much so perfectly
we need part 2! Amazing work!
When you said "Leto is understanding, and says he loves Paul no matter what. It's a touching moment of unconditional love between father and son. But in the book, we don't see this kind of softness".
One of my favorite chapters in the book is where Duke Leto is going about his official duties, with a constant refrain in his thoughts of "They have tried to take the life of my son!"
That chapter very much told me that Duke Leto loved Paul immensely, but that's one of things that makes Dune so hard to convey in a movie - trying to convey what the characters are thinking, which happens a lot in the book.
So my guess is that the 2021 movie added action scenes that conveyed those sentiments in a way that they can be seen, of which I heartily approve. I've seen all the previous Dune attempts, which failed miserably because it's so hard to convey what the characters are thinking. I suppose it's a way to convey "literary license" into "dramatic license" or something.
The Dune novel isn't special in that it conveys the thoughts of it's characters though. Writing, in that regard, is far more immersive than film.
I liked that scene in the movie too. It does however undermine the spartan-stoic character of the atredies somewhat. That kind of militant self control is unpopular now days, so the choice for Leto to show his love in a very non-toxic-masciuline way is i think on some level a marketing choice for western audiences also.
@@thomasrowe3179 Of course. Normally though it is not a problem for the quality except that in the LotR spinoff : Rings of power series, it was a disaster to see the obvious wokeology implemented, with a black dwarf-wife and a masculine Galadriel.
@@KibyNykraft Oh shut it
@@edwinbrown7179 An expected grunt from your team
One bit of irony I’ve picked up through multiple readings of Dune is that Paul’s fight with Jamis really was the tipping point. In a way, the “human” act would have been for Paul to sacrifice himself to keep the jihad from happening, but it was the instinctive animalistic drive to survive that pushed him and ultimately the rest of the universe past the point of no return.
I feel like it shows that Paul makes a very human decision, to fight for himself and his mother. His attachment is what drives him to fight for survival, and vengeance, even if it leads to mistakes down the road. That’s what makes him human.
@@SplockyyI was more talking about the Bene-Gesserit definition of human, where to be human is to ignore ones primal urges and act logically without emotional interference. In a sense, the way the Bene-Gesserit define what it is to be human is in itself very un-human. They would have labeled Paul's actions as "animalistic," when in reality, it's a very human thing that he did.
Ah I see, that makes a lot more sense in that context.@@TheonlyNintendoboy
I thought the jihad was necessary in the end because mankind was vulnerable to stagnation and extinction otherwise. Paul fears unleashing the jihad but does so because it's part of the golden path?
@@horns___cvge___3644That was his justification in the end, yes. Ultimately it led to his survival, but damned 61 billion to die. Whether or not it was beneficial to all of humanity is still yet to be seen. I think Paul could see what good it would do, but as for me, I still can't see it.
the thing that I wished the movie had not cut was the dinner party. that scene was a great way to expand the world of the movies
Something i think is awesome is that the reverend mother actually admits in the book that she kept Paul in the box longer than she normally/ever does
I read Dune when I was 15, because my Klingon-speaking genius friend said it was awesome. 25 years later I read it again and I was still in awe of the depth and detail of this world.
Really?
Klingon speaking friends, oh yes I remember
Ka'plah 🤷♂️
You mean your cha'DIch?
I read it at 14-15 because my big brother (over 4 years older) had bought and read it and said it was great
He had already got me addicted to SF a a few years before.
I really MUST make the time to read it again
57:12 calling a person who lives in the desert a "clod" is pretty amazing writing. a dirt clod is simply dust held together by a bit of moisture. he sees the slaves as just dust held together by the moisture in their bodies
Thank you so much for this comparison. Looking forward to part 2!!!
Best breakdown channel on TH-cam. Hands down! Can’t freakin wait for your Dune 2 vid! These films are freakin masterpieces and can’t wait for your analysis! Keep up the stellar work!
Without having read the books, I like that the movies just tosses you into Dune's world. It feels authentic, like a world with a long history and its cultures have their own customs, traditions and ways of speaking. You just KNOW that there's some proper world building behind all of it and don't need boring exposition to explain every detail.
Similar to how Mad Max Fury road forces the audience to accept the new world without explanation. To me that's strong and immersive world building.
While I do like the movie as a standalone, the visuals and audio are pretty sweet, as well as the choreography of the fights. It sadly is but a puddle that a child would play in compared to the world building that the Dune novel does. This movie sadly vastly oversimplifies major world building points with short uninformative scenes or just entirely ignores them in favor of long silent shots. The older movies do a far better job of world building than this movie does, even with all their faults. I would not be so critical if this movie was not heralded as a 'faithful adaption' of the books.
@@lordlurk7968 Yeah ignorance is bliss. Had I read the books/seen the other movies I probably would think the same
@@knight_lautrec_of_carim I do hope at some point you can manage to scrounge the time to read the first 3 books at least, they are a great series. If I was to make an analogy of comparison, the movie is like having a nice bowl of ice-cream, missing the chocolate syrup topping that makes it even better.
You've put into words what I felt watching the movie but couldn't explain what it was. This is exactly it! And I loved it!
@@knight_lautrec_of_carim I had the pleasure of watching the movie before reading the book. I liked the movie and so I then read the book. After reading the book, I was disappointed by the movie.
A good description of Paul's power is how he sees Island or hill tops of possible futures but the valleys or the water is unknown details on the path to get to those futures. Thank you for your work.
doesnt that come from the book
@@user-zu6wg9wt8myeah lol, literally like straight from Paul’s description
Seems like he's seeing probability curves.
The quality and perfection level of this video is unheard of. I applaud you and thank you. This video alone is on the same level as the movie
watching this the night before Dune 2 was amazing and i love how educational you make the video
Love this, read Dune a lot as a kid and it’s awesome to see you cover it so coherently ❤️
Yoooo
You're possibly the last person I had expected to have read Dune, but perhaps I shouldn't be surprised as you followed his Game of Thrones vids too.
i love youre content man
aw hell nahhh! LIMC in the flesh?
Did you read all 6 novels by Frank Herbert? I've been told the last 3 by him are hard to follow and they aren't that important
Having both read the book and watched the movie, I can now say that this video finally made me understand what is actually happening
Lol
Have you played the video games?
@@yakoschelium5337 there are also video games?! Dude there is just too many Dune content 😅 so great but not enough time
@@fallendown8828 Highly recommend playing Dune 2000 and Emperor: Battle for Dune.
The Dune games are actually some of the first RTS games in the genre
there is just sooooooo muuuch Dune lore
Now that Dune 2 is out can you do this all again but for the second one? 😁 I loved this video, and normally I’m not sitting down and watching a film-length TH-cam video, but you made it really interesting and broke everything down very nicely. Nice work!
So excited for part 2 of this!
Not only was Leto getting more and more popular, his armies were getting better and better under Guerney Halleck and Duncan Idaho - while the Sardaukar were getting softer
Kinda like Jared Leto nowadays.
I've always loved how the Atraides represented how a generally honorable and good group of people are forced by necessity to adapt to a morally corrupt and broken society, slowly compromising their values in the hopes of just surviving another day.
This is what I call today… the criminalization of America. Where the globalist have so invaded every part of society, that everything is gamed to the point where the only way to really win, is to lie, cheat, steal. The veneer is we are the good guys…but that in fact is the biggest lie. The real good guys don’t want to cheat, so they are always at a distinct disadvantage. The ones that won’t lie…they can never really win. That is where we are now really at. This war is actually being played out right now in real life. Dune…for REAL.
The "honour" and "good" of the Atrides was always for show. It was always a strong theme in the books the dangers of deities and political leader, and specially the combination of the two.
@@JVCA44 I saw a take on the written power dynamic of conquerors
(power from power's perspective) will always be ironic and disrespectfully half baked by consequence of the conqueror's heirs and kingdom.
C'mon Leto II where are ya
This is not the correct take. House Atreides uses empathy and understanding as a way to control people. House Harkonnen uses brutality and fear to control people.
@@JA-nv4zb They are merely different forms of cruelty. There is no moral value to it. One is simply more honest and direct than the other. Tricking someone into being a slave is more cunning, more dishonest, than simply taking them captive. True empathy is when you release them. Atreides never does this, for anything other than their own gain, and preservation. They make concessions, not reforms, not contributions, concessions. They release power, to keep some. They do not release power because they feel that it belongs to others, that it is unfair, that it is cruel to keep it. The Harkonnens are debatably more moral. At least they do not lie. Is the dictator with an iron fist, who controls through open brutality, or the parliament of shills, cronyists, who campaign for votes, more sinister? It is not true that liberal democracies always turn into aristocracies. We simply have not had one.
Addendum: It can be empathetic if you have no hypocrisy. The man who believes he should be a slave in the same situation as the man that is a slave, is empathetic. Empathy is very related to hypocrisy.
I just found your channel, amazing! gonna watch it all :D
This is THE one stop guide for the first Dune movie.... Period
1:07:30
"‘A process cannot be understood by stopping it. Understanding must move with the flow of the process, must join it and flow with it.’" this is First Law of Mentat in the book
Most of the time, this law would work well, but in some cases it might be deadly and if your dead what's the use of "understanding the process" of your demise? That was Thufir's mistake. He got House Atreides destroyed by him obeying this law.
Kinda reminds me of : "He that breaks a thing
to find out what it is
has left the path of wisdom"
It's from Tolkien
@@Inquisitor6321I think this law it's just Frank Herbert inserting his ecological ideas. Also it's a critique of modern age science - that try to "stop" processes, divide them into atomic parts to study them.
@@tomaszklawy5514 OK. So it's just for ecological study and not a general philosophy.
one missed detail: in the book Paul and Jamis fight in the sietch, not in the desert
the Fremen wouldn't risk damaging a stillsuit and Jamis' water was immediately retrieved; plus Paul gets to decide whether he keeps Jamis' wife and is obliged to take care of his children
I figured he kept that part of the analysis out because the second movie will likely start with them arriving at the sietch and Villanueve could still choose to adapt that part of the story. Although with the amount of shit that happens at the sietch I wouldn't be surprised if it gets cut entirely.
They missed tons of points. One point I liked was where the conveyed the need to ''stutter-step'' through the desert , but at the end where we see them carrying Jamis' body back home they were all just walking like it's a trip to the craft truck.
Yes, my first thought was "No way the fremen would waste two stillsuits like that" then I saw that scene.
Honestly, I thought the whole confrontation with Jamis was the most under-done part of the entire movie. It just kind of happens immediately after they are discovered, without any of the buildup/explanation, or any of the weight (rightfully so) it is given in the book.
I didn't know that about Jamis wife and kids.
What happens to the kids later on in the story ? Having muadhib as ur step dad sounds big
I really hope you make one of these for part 2!
Amazing breakdown! Wish I seen this a year ago. Can’t wait for the part 2 breakdown
this is what i love so dearly about the content you create. I had no interest, no knowledge, no exposure to dune at all. But after watching this video i feel so deeply interested in knowing more and i will genuinely look into reading the book myself. I always feel so much more informed whenever i watch these videos and they always help me paint a clearer picture in my mind about what i'm watching or reading. Thank you so much for putting the incredible time and effort into making this content!
Welcome to the dune world,
I too was unaware of the book until I saw the David Lynch move which I thought was great, and surprised by all of the complaints from the book readers.
So I then read the book and realised how much of an amazing piece of work it is and then understood why the the movie was so disliked.
I now have the unabridged version in audio book and it is a regular revisit for me several times a year.
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Watching the new movie was quite an experience because I was pre-armed with the knowledge from the book, and this video is one of the few reviews I’ve seen that actually does both the book and the movie justice.
the entire series is awesome
i do not appreciate or respect how you had “ no interest, no exposure no knowledge “ of dune. this is an act of profound ignorance and should be treated with contempt. i am extremely disappointed, you once held so much promise but you chose to just throw it all away. I’m marking you down to an F-
Most amazing series. Read them as a youth and liked them. Reread them about ten years ago as an adult and was amazed how deep they were and how much I loved them.
After seeing this video, I realize how bad the last movie is. They just dumped all the the interesting parts, clearly they should have made a high quality tv serial (like GOT) instead of movies. In that sense, "Foundation" format is a better choice to tell the story as it was meant to be in the books.
The constant quotes from the book could not have been easy to procure.
I've done this work. I have the utmost respect for this video. Truly a masterpiece of analysis.
You have earned a sub today.
Agreed
Also he adds quotes from interviews and comparisons from other movies and other versions of the same movie 🫡
Agreed. This criticism is a university-level treatise. I'm awestruck.
Try reading the books dead simple. They are on Kindle and pdfs etc. Not hard really.
Its really bad though half of what he is sayig wrong here
I love your channel and have watched this video and many others of yours many times. After part 2 I am now enthralled with the story and world of Dune so I have decided to order the books. And believe me when I tell you a lot of it I read in my head in your voice.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE RECORD AN AUDIOBOOK OF YOU READING DUNE. I would be so happy lol
this is one of the best youtube videos i've ever watched in my life. i salute you.
I think you missed two significant differences.
1. The bonus leto doesn't give a random bonus to the people, but there is already a system in place where the person who spots the worm gets a bonus, since Leto spots it, he decides to distribute this bonus to the crew, making it very simbolic, and not just a monetary gift.
2. In the fight with Jamis, since Paul is used to fighting with a shield, the fremen see it as if Paul is playing with Jamis, making the fight more a show of force than it is shown in the movie.
Bonus McBonus
The fight with Jamis was more about Paul not having killed before than the shield style. Read it again.
@@cthulhu_lives8169 Not entirely true. That's how Jessica tries to spin in to the fremen but in the portions in Paul's head we see that, while that's part of it, he's mostly focusing on trying to override the bad habits from shield training.
Yueh implies that he is not doing it to protect his wife as he knows that she wont be saved but to kill the baron. He says to himself that who would imagine that wanting to kill the baron can actually bypass the conditioning. The baron incorrectly thinks that the conditioning is bypassed by Yueh's desire to save his wife and that is why he doesnt suspect the murder attempt. That is another topic that the book touches and is the misunderstood deepness of hatred. In the book Leito is accused of not understanding hatred, but the Baron didnt understand either.
Why is that relevant to this video?
@user-nz6dx2fj6h because the video says he does it to protect Wanna. As the previous poster says the Harkonnens are convinced Yueh is acting to protect a hostage, when in reality Yueh has already written the hostage off and is bent only on vengeance.
@@cazzah49But the video actually said that he didn’t do it to protect his wife, he was trying to find out if his wife was already dead as opposed to a slave, he did it for revenge. Essentially you guys are repeating what the video already said for some reason
@@nothingsacred8684 lmao I know right 😂 I hate how some viewers don't properly listen or watch video it's annoying
@@nothingsacred8684yes but the way he explained it seemed like he was still doing it for his wife. So I think they’re very much in the right. The video may have been misinformed or (left it out on purpose/unintentionally idk) so this cleared up a LOT.
That was so good! Please do a video like this about dune part 2
wow, i'm only 7 minutes in, but I'm loving this so much already. I really appreciate your videos Alt shift X!
i think what i learned early on in this video is that the newest dune adaptation does not seek to inform its audiences on the lore. it does not aim to give the backstory to every plot device and world fact there is in the series to its audience, but instead simply depict this world in the most beautiful and true way possible. in doing this, in rejecting the burden of expelling so much information, the film is able to create something truly beautiful and meditative. i fell in love with dune without knowing any of its backstory. it (the film) made me read its novel. that in itself is an accomplishment and the inquiry i have made on its philosophical, political and spiritual critiques have been ever rewarding. great film, great novel but insanely transcendent writing. gg
I think this where a lot of people get caught up in deciding whether or not this is a good movie, though i will say others are like my dad and are too caught up in the nostalga of the 1984 movie with Sir Partick Stewart, and I think this is where a lot of movie/series depictions fail sometimes. They either take too much time to create boring disposition to explain the afterthought of lore that ruins the cadence, or try to dumb it down and explain it quickly. Dune 2021 feels much more like a movie for the fans to capture the essence rather than to draw more people in.
@@vinnietorres1145That's exactly it! Dune fans will love it, but it probably won't make too many more fans..
I love the book. I loved the 1984 one. I loved the first one in this series. Then I *liked* the latest part. I agree with what you're saying but there are some massively glaring errors like totally skipping the guild. Without the guild it's unclear what the spice is even really for. There were also bits of really lazy story telling in the second part which annoyed me. But yeah I don't think they needed to go into every single detail to make a decent movie. It would be absolutely impossible in fact.
Thanks for pointing out that Duke Atreides was not so morally pure in the book. The movie weakens the story a lot by expurgating this unseemly side of House Atreides which so accentuated Paul's accomplishments in the book.
I feel like they're going to include more of that in the second movie because they wanted to make it into a twist
personally i think it strengthens the turn Paul goes through from Dune to Messiah. The once honorable and righteous Atreides banner now being a symbol for untold destruction and death around the galaxy
Atreides was pretty spotless in the first half of the book. The only thing that is morally gray is Hawat's espionage and assassinations, but even then, the Atreides are continually described as having honor and genuineness. Paul, Jessica and Hawat are the only Atreides that seem overly manipulative and calculating, to the point of taking advantage of people and using their lives for their own purpose.
@@commanderkei9537 Leto frames a group of families on Arrakis, takes their property, and turns them out of their homes because they did not immediately bend to Atreides rule. Those people were not actually involved with the ones plotting against the Atreides. And Thufir laughs it off and praises it as something in line with what the Old Duke would have done. He later tells Paul to "exploit" (his words) the Fremen religion for the sake of their house. For all of Leto's problems with the demands of governance and his good personal qualities, it is the part of him loyal to House Atreides and his father that are presented negatively.
It's not that the Atreides are good in the first half. It's just that compared to the other houses and Paul's jihad, they weren't the worst.
@@commanderkei9537 I agree. While he recognizes the usefulness of loyal people and actively creates propaganda (as per the Duke, to communicate what his government is doing), he is still depicted as a generally good person. Towards his death, he wishes he didn't have all of this responsibility and he wish he could live a simple life with Jessica. He doesn't chase power, but does what he can to weild it efficiently. In the book , he says he wish he wasn't part of the "Faufreluches" - the class system of dune which upholds the feudal system
And yes, Paul, Jessica and Hawat are far more gray than good characters when compared to the Duke
A common story characteristic that I found to like that Dune shares with Attack on Titan is that seeing the future is like a curse for both Paul Atreides and Eren Yeager
Just saw Dune Part 2 and can't wait for your video about it.
I do truly love Kynes’s soliloquy in his death chapter. He does realize he is not going to survive, but makes his piece and stakes his claim as a “desert creature” and it makes his giving into his death a truly powerful moment to me.
Let me get this straight. You think that Dr. Kynes "makes his PIECE"? Do you not think it would have been better if he had made HIS PEACE?? Your post would make a lot more sense if that is what you meant. A powerful moment for you, but more powerful if you could spell properly.
Easily the best review available of one of those 'can't-ever-be-filmed' epics. It not only looks at the differences between the film and the book but also analyses most aspects very credibly. I've been rereading this book for decades but this review brought out some aspects that I hadn't ever realised. What more can one ask for in a review? Well done!
I've lost track of the number of times I've read Dune since I first bought a copy at the Yongsan PX in Seoul in 1978. I still have that old copy. Battered, worn and yellowed, I'll never part with it. My only regret is not getting Frank Herbert to sign it. IIRC I couldn't find it so instead I had him autograph another novel, "The White Plague".
@@spudeleven5124 My first reading was when I was hitch-hiking up to Thurso in the far north of Scotland with an Irish girlfriend from college. There I was, in the front of various lorries... I couldn't put it down! The girlfriend didn't last but the book did!
I really liked that this review didn't overlook crucial small details, such as Lady Fenring's warning for Jessica in the arboretum. He also spent a lot more time on Yueh's motivations, which have always gotten short shrift in the adaptations (the closest was the 2000 Sci-Fi miniseries), whereas the feature films have totally ignored it as unimportant to the storyline but it was central to the plot.
@@spudeleven5124 Yes. Agreed.
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This review mentioned Lady Fenring's warning, but it wasn't included in the movie, unfortunately.
Can’t wait for the next video for Dune part 2!
Can’t wait for the next analysis of part 2
My absolute favorite change in the film is Jamis. Really caught me by surprise in the best way. Jamis was always just a random Fremen guy that he kills when I first read the books, and in the other adaptations. Felt like Paul was just by humoring the fremen's culture when he repeated 'Jamis was my friend'. Villanueve's version is brilliant, Paul probably had an entire lifetime of visions/alternate future where Jamis was his actual friend. Great addition, and heartbreaking when you think about it.
It's an interesting twist, but I feel it takes away from Herbert's original vision of Lady Jessica's education of Paul. She is very careful to keep him in balance and not have him turn into a bloodthirsty despot, and what she does after he wins the duel against Jamis most obviously shows that, while also highlighting how calculated she was. I think Villeneuve's depiction of her doesn't do her justice, especially what she does while Paul takes the Gom Jabbar test, breaking down into tears, which didn't seem to me to be very Bene Gesserit.
@@mihaitha Well she did defy the order by even having him, so if he failed that and was killed, her whole life was for nothing.
@@mihaitha while her crying wasn't really lore accurate it was necessary to show us that she does care about paul
@@crusader8102 true, but one can depict the suffering of a mom without her breaking down into tears, especially when that conflicts with the character. She was pretty much shown as a crap BG IMO.
@@mihaitha i'm reading the first book, and she's literally constantly on the edge of breaking down. I think 5 times so far there's been a description of her emotions overwhelming her bene gesserit training, only for her to refocus with a mantra. I feel like the movie was pretty spot on.
36:36 Upon second reading you realize that the reason why Paul was able to properly wear a stilsuit without any help was that, Paul observed Stilgar's suit when they first meet him. It blew my mind when I read that part.
Sadly there are a healthy amount of little details like this that just don't get conveyed properly in the movie, even the older ones. One of my biggest gripes was how lightly they touched on the water scarcity and it's almost holy care for it on the planet, especially by the Fremen. They do make little attempts here and there, but they are shallow and I really didn't feel it carried the immense weight it should of.
Max Von Sydow was a much better Liet Kynes
@@lordlurk7968 "Even the older ones"? Why would we expect the movie that used sound weapons to be more accurate? And since Paul isn't with the Fremen yet in the first film, there has been very little room to show how important water is up to this point. Living in the palace, water is not an issue.
@@lordlurk7968 Hopefully Part Two will go much deeper into the ecology stuff and water scarcity, as Paul and Jessica learn from the Fremen. I agree with you that there was a disappointing lack of such emphasis in the first film.
Really nice analysis/commentary. Thank you. The pronunciation of names in Dune has always fascinated me - I haven't delved into anything Herbert wrote, but I always assumed names like Chani would be pronounced Chah-nee.
this video its just amazing thank you for your hard work waiting for the second part i just watched the second half and its amazing on the theaters
While it does lack some important moments (this is a rare case where i would be happy if they release an extended edition) i truly believe that the movie did an amazing job adapting this book.
The material is extremely complex and history has shown how hard it is to make a good adaptation.
I think the most important aspects is that the movie really understands the source material, there are so many adaptations out there that are effectively just the barest surface level version of what they're adapting but Dune despite what it cuts out *does* get to the heart of why the book is so effective
It's like lotr. The movie can't compete with the book, but it doesn't even have to. It's outstanding anyway.
True but unless they address this material in the next movie then the completed project will lack much of the critical information needed to make full sense of the story. It like when Lucas said that he deliberately cut a lot of galactic context from the OT because he was able to say that set-up was in the prequels (even of he never made them). Then when he did make the prequels he finally had to address things. Dune was good but even as a relative novice to the story I know a lot was cut out or pared down to a surface level. If they didn't address it in the first movie are they really going to in the second?
I think it did the adaptation extremely well. There are adaptations that are 100% accurate, there are adaptations that are barely accurate, and there adaptations that are faithful yet leave you wanting more inspiring you to read the source material. I feel this film falls into the later category and if this movie gets more people to read these wonderful books I will be beyond happy. I love this movie.
I don't think it's that hard to make a good adaptation when the source material is good. It's just that many writers and directors don't want to stay faithful to the books because for some stupid reason they seem to think that means all of the success of the movie/show goes to the book writer instead of them. So they change the story thinking if people like it, they like _their_ story, even though their story is just a poor revision of the original.
I HATE that they left out the phrase about giving water to the dead. I feel like that was such an important impact on the Fremen. A favorite book, thank you so much for the many historical sources for Herbert's epic works.
I think this might still happen at the beginning of part 2, unless they're cutting the mourning scene entirely, since it hadn't happened yet by the end of the first movie
I agree though, if it doesn't make an appearance I'd be surprised and more than a bit disappointed
If I would have to guess, I would say that the second movie will start with Jamis’ funeral
Thank you for your response.
i felt the same way!!!! one of my absolute favorite scenes was jamis' funeral in the book, but i'm hoping they do it in part 2
This happens during the "funeral" scene, not right after the combat. And yeah, it would be a mistake to remove it from the movie as it's one of the most important chapter in the book : Paul is accepted among the fremen because he gives his water and calls jamis a friend.
I can’t wait for you to make a part two!
Having read the series, and seen the movie, I was glad to see your side by side analysis. Well done.
The way you structure this video might be the most coherent and effective method of education and explanation i have ever had the good fortune of watching. You sir are a king among men. Keep kicking ass! cant wait to see the video about the second movie!
His Game of Thrones videos guided many of us thru that show for years. Brilliant explanation style!
I believe it’s a team, but yeah totally
right?? gonna watch alt shift x's video before seeing the movie 😝
Every video you put out is so well made and you are so good at explaining these super complex stories. Thank you for your work, we all appreciate it!
That we do. Mans is a lore beast.
loved getting this recap before watching the second movie. very insightful, thank you ;)