Gaia Gear: The sequel to Gundam Hathaway That Time Forgot. (And how it STILL WORKS in the modern UC)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 พ.ค. 2023
- SORRY FOR THE POOR AUDIO QUALITY. My later videos managed to fix the muffled noise.
I don't have the best video/audio setup. But I saw on TH-cam that some people were posting videos regarding Gaia Gear, but none of the one's I've seen barely scratch the surface of it's narrative and real importance that the story holds. So, I've decided to throw my hat into the ring and talk about one of my personal favourite entries in the mobile suit Gundam franchise.
Gaia Gear is a long lost series of novels created for Gundam that to this day the studio's have deemed as Non-Canon. In this video I will show how all of Gaia Gear's concepts and story beats can still fit within the modern canon and why the events of the story can actually be seen as crucial to events that occur after the U.C. Timeline's conclusion with Victory Gundam and the manga's and oddballs that take place around and after it's finale.
#Gundam #Mobilesuitgundam #GaiaGear #Gundamlore
The mechanical design of Gaia Gear is by "Mamoru Ito". Which includes one of my all time favorites, the Refined Zorin Soul
Love that thing. It’s a fantastic design with some pretty interesting lore
Dude, you are the shit. As a huge Gundam fan I agree with you 💯. Gaia Gear is indeed a really good story with amazing mechanics designs and a badass soundtrack. With the Hathaway's Flash movie trilogy I am hoping that it brings about a renewed interest in the later UC with Gaia Gear getting the attention it deserves with maybe its own anime adaptation.
More than anything to me it gives Char the ending he never had with a chance at happiness.
Anyone who kitbashes their own Man Machine kits are a terrifying force to be reckoned with. Awesome video
it really makes me laugh to think about how between hathaway and gaia gear there was a time when people fought in robots themed after sea pirates and designed ships to look like old wooden ships
As much as people love crossbone (me being one of those ppl). It’s absolutely non-essential filler xD
I think the artist was thinking Space pirate captain Harlock too much when they heard the words 'space pirates'.
They should instead more have been thinking modern day pirates.
@@GaiaGaiyusBut, but Phantom gundam…
I’ve always wanted to learn more about the more distant parts of the franchise so thank you so much for what you’re doing here captain
Thank you for your's hard work.
It is a really niche topic in Gundam community
O, dzień dobry, dawno pana nie widziałem.
I don't know if you're still checking the comments on this video, but I think you did a good job covering Gaia Gear and why people should check it out.
You make a good proposal for how to incorporate Gaia Gear into UC while taking into account the works that came out after it, though I think it's worth pointing out that Gaia Gear would still hold up even if it couldn't be made to fit. The story is good enough to work on it's own as one of Tomino's standalone series like Dunbine or L-Gaim (as a side note, I think a comparison of L-Gaim and Gaia Gear could be really interesting considering some of the overlapping ideas between the two), and doesn't strictly need to be tied into the rest of the Universal Century to work.
That being said, part of the reason I make that point is that I have a different reading of the "big picture" of the UC timeline than you do (and which Gaia Gear doesn't cleanly mesh with), so it's probably worth taking that comment with a grain of salt.
I wish I knew more places to actually experience this work. Especially that ost. But I didn't realize there was such much difference between the audio drama and the novel
either way with today's technology, it is so possible to overlay the audio drama with new animations
Damn good video, my dude! Excellent analysis and presentation!
P.S. Some food for thought regarding G-Savior: The NOVEL VERSION of G-Savior is the definitive version of it.
I would highly recommend looking into it, because it is quite a big improvement over the movie version of it.
Wow! Thanks man! I will definitely have to check them out. I had a feeling the G-saviour books were the better versions.
I’ve seen some of your videos man! Huge fan of YOUR work. I remember watching some of your Gundam seed videos years and years ago when I was really getting hard into the fandom 😅
@@GaiaGaiyus
Always a pleasure! 👍
I started being more active on YT again recently with a new video at the beginning of this year, as well as being on multiple podcasts. But either way, I appreciate the support!
Awesome segment! Thanks much for the upload!
We need it to be animated and given kits. Also i would love to see both Sinanju variants vs the Zorin Soul and late Zorin Soul in a build series. Also a good bit of Gaia Gear design and influence was put in Gundam G Reco. Especially with the Char type protagonist and some mechanical design characteristics being put in the MS and ships.
I've always heard that the Age of Warring Space States occurred immediately after the Formula Wars and Mars Zeon. At least, that's what Gundam Wiki says on the page for Late UC.
The warring space states period has been designated as the years during the mars Zeon conflicts and following the Zanscare war. From the UC110’s-190’s. As defined in crossbone Gundam dust
The specie period of which I’m referring to is the point in that era, past the zanscare war and before the events of Gaia Gear
@@GaiaGaiyus Ok.
I wish king gainer could be a gundam au or get a sequel
You know, one thing that this does make me think of on a different topic...the man machines look a heck of a lot like the Michael Bay version of the Transformers...
Great video really informative
Damn… bro just casually dropped the biggest spoiler to the end of the Hathaway manga/movies.
Sorry. Did warn u from the start. Had to get into the nitty-gritty to make my point
Once you finish all your Gaia gear stuff, if you're able to read Japanese I think you should do a video series like this on the Five Star Stories
I don't really hate g-saviour tbh it's a nice book ending to the UC timeline as a whole.
It isn’t all bad. In truth it’s works well as an epilogue to the UC and it’s world. If Gaia Gear closes off the conflict between the federation and the spacenoid independence movement; as well as the story of Char. Then G-Saviour serves as an excellent way of showing what the world is like now that the entire world has changed following its conclusion. Giving us a new world; with new conflicts, new heroes and villains, and new perils to endure.
Here are the episodes of Gaia Gear w/ English Subtitles:
th-cam.com/video/qk34CGYxyvE/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for posting that.
@@GaiaGaiyus Seeing as you’re acting as an anchor point for meaning here I thought it appropriate to become another link in the chain. You’re very welcome. Keep on making great content.
@@professorgrouch I always try to link the TH-cam version of the original audio drama in my TH-cam videos, thanks for adding the link to this one. I totally forgot when I was making this first video to link it
I really like mecha design in Gaia Gear. It reminds me a lot of mechas in Armored Core.
It's so cool you're making these videos! I'm curious about your Gaia Gear Alpha kitbash. What kits did you use? I'm trying to make a transformable HG and running into some issues.
Well, my kitbash used a lot of scrap pieces and pla-plate for it. The base model for the skeleton was a Lightning Z Gundam and the torso is actually the backpack piece from the “lightning back weapon system mk-iii”. The figure doesn’t transform, but I’ve seen some other people who’ve built GG alpha’s as kitbashes somehow manage to fudge it.
@GaiaGaiyus Thanks! Looking at the Lightning gundam, I can see why that would work. I was going to use the Bawoo as a base, but it's incompatible with most of the parts I want to use.
@@jeremybritton6687 there is one guy who used parts of a Bawoo and Xeku Eins to make the Zorin Soul. gunsya.jp/article/2697
@@GaiaGaiyus That's really cool! If all else fails, those parts can be a Zorin Soul.
I love the design of the o
Is there anywhere you can read or listen to this translated? From what I can tell Zeonic Translation hasn't completed the novels.
There’s a link @professorgrouch posted in these very comments, so that anyone can listen to the translated audio drama.
@@GaiaGaiyus Thank you very much
Great work, surprised you didn’t mention the Ideon connection or Mad Wang tho.
The Ideon connection is important. But it only impacts 1 semi-canon side story, and Mad Wang is largely deemed by everyone as being set in its own U.C.-Adjacent timeline along with the other mini manga’s made by Cyber Comics
@@GaiaGaiyus which mini manga's are those again? Also if Judau is a reincarnation of cosmo you could make the argument that him taking all those newtypes with him might be similar to the end of Ideon with Humanity starting over. Which is neat. Also how does G-Reco fit into all this?
@@brig.badger2896 It fits into the timeline or the version of the timeline that includes Turn A. Allegedly, an interview exists where Tomino states G reco taking place 500 years after Turn A. G Generation Spirits, the second UC centric G Generation game after Mono Eyed Gundam, establishes a direct connection between Turn A's Correct Century and Universal Century.
@@murgmaggleramaxis8535 I haven't played G Generation, which one are you referring to?
Mad Wang is so deep into the bowels of UC hell that it barely even matters anyway
I really wan't G-Saviours ideas and MS to be salvaged into something truly great. With a few changes (like removing the goddamn Illuminati from the story altogether) it would be solid late U.C. piece.
Ps. I'd also attempt to connect it to the After War timeline which would then lead to the Dark History which would later lead into Turn A Gundam and you get the idea.
G-Saviour actually ends at 224 when you include the surprisingly great PS2 game.
Hmmmm, I wonder if the Gids Geese is a potential stepping stone for the Raven from that game. Interesting to think about.
@@MaverDick12 it could be possible; however the Gids Geese is a unit without a transformation mechanism. The Gids’ design is an obvious descendant of The-O, and the technology incorporated into the unit is some serious next-level god-tier machinery.
Hey Gaiyus. Be on the lookout for a few other vtubers and their fans. I kinda' exposed them to Gaia Gear, so I expect Scarle Yonaguni to show up due to her Char obsession along with some others. You're the best source for a good explanation of the radio play, so...
Speaking of, I have a question if you don't mind? In terms of Gundam, if you were initiating newbs into our fandom/hobby, what series in what order would you want them to see to get them addicted the fastest? All Gundam, not just UC.
It really depends. It’s all based on the persons preference for anime, any of the Alternate universes work in their own ways, (00,IBO,WFM,etc,.) however if you want something more complex and grand, you go for the BIG show. That means the OG 0079 movie trilogy, Zeta, ZZ, and CCA.
@@GaiaGaiyus Yeah, she started with the 79 movie trilogy, and we were debating 08th MS team and Stardust Memory (to kinda both be chronological and add something to sorta break up the story) or just get her to go on to Zeta. I guess you're right, though. Thanks for the input!
@@noctisvt you’re welcome. 08th ms team and the other side stories always feel important, but in the grand scheme of the Gundam story, the most important thing to watch is just the story of Amuro and Char. Everything else just exists to expand the universe
Im amazed that the human population could catch up so quickly after the 1 year war, the war that killed half of the human population.
It has been 120 years since that point. Gaia Gear is the start of a new century after all.
Can everyone read japanese or is there actually somewhere where I can read the Crossbone Ghost and Dust series?
Try and see if zeonic scantalations has them
Dude I'm sorry to say, but, like, would you mind boosting the audio of your videos a little bit? I had my headphones on with the volume high and I still couldn't make out what you were sayin
I’ve mention this to a bunch of other people in these comments. I had a lot of issues trying to fix this video’s audio. My later vids fixed this issue though.
just subscribing for them details narration like what Kakarot197 n Zethythonix content
Lol. 😅 I watch them too. I rely on Kakarot’s vids for a big chunk of my news.
@@GaiaGaiyus for me it's the way they narrate the information for a better n simple understanding
F90ff alludes to gaia gear
Is the audio drama a straight adaptation/reading of the novels or is there material in the novels that the drama does not cover?
There are a lot of things missing in the audio drama. Yet, strangely, the audio drama is the more canonical. The books were a definite instance where Tomino went on a bit of an unrestricted tirade about his work. The ending is more nihilistic and the events that occur throughout are at a very different pace and happen in a very different order.
You can essentially count them as two separate entities.
@@GaiaGaiyus Ah, gotcha, thanks. Also just realized that this body of work being titled Gaia Gear instead of Gundam sort of mirrors how Mobile Suits are now called Man Machines.
@@GaiaGaiyusWhich is the end?
I liked G-Saviour a lot
bandai namco animation could have just overlay the radio drama with animations, no need for new animation project, just turning the radio drama into a complete animation
Or even just a motion comic like “Seed Eclipse”
@@GaiaGaiyus hm that would be a start
no spoilers for Gundam Narrative?
Narrative isn’t that super important. It has no real impact on Gaia Gear.
@@GaiaGaiyus ok, was wondering since it’s in between Unicorn and Hathaway’s Flash, though we still don’t know about Unicorn 2
If it all fits, then what about the Mad Wang 1120 side story? Is it even canon or is it just a "Fanfiction"?
I think all UC fans who’ve actually read mad wang and know the deal with Cyber Comix and all of its associated manga know none of their mangas are canon.
@@GaiaGaiyus Thanks for the clarification. I was curious about it because it looked too outlandish for Gundam and why no one mentions it. Now I know why.
@@FUGxMICHI yeah, the only genuine story that is considered as actual canon material, that was ever produced by Cyber Comix, was the original Manga series for Gundam F90. Since then tho, it’s the only one that Bandai or Sunrise have seen as viable media from those days, as most of the one shot mangas that Cyber Comix produced were weird one shots and satirical miniseries.
UC timeline in a nutshell: it got worse
the only thing is how does turn A and G Reco will fit into this?
It does still fit. Turn A and G reco do nothing to interfere with Gaia Gear’s chronological order
@@GaiaGaiyus no what I was specifically asking was do you think Gaia Gear’s Would having effect or slightly modifys the dark history, because now you have me thinking What the gundam timeline if we ever went past G-reco.
@@ShinetoZeroX It* wouldn’t really modify anything. One of the big things it actually ADDS is some contextual mobile suit history to some of the G-Reco suits. For example, the “Dahack”’s visual appearance is obviously a successor/descendant of Gaia Gear’s Bromb Texter Production Type.
Many of the mech designs that are apart of G-Reco are stylistic descendants of Gaia Gear’s man machines.
There’s even behind the scenes art notes of G-Reco that state that some of the mobile suits were even considered as being called “Man Machines” instead. twitter.com/Grandis_Granva/status/1404541020889522177
Another unit from Gaia Gear who has family ties to G-Reco is the “Gaiyas” and “Catsith” the Gaiyus’s visor and head design being what loosely spawned the Catsith’s own dual coloured visor design.
@@GaiaGaiyusThat’s wild, it’s crazy to think Tomino still had Gaia Gear on his mind while working on G-Reco like 27 years later. Now I kinda wish they DID call the mobile suits man machines.
Oh, spoilers for everything. Uh. Well, I guess I'll just put Gaia Gear on the list of anime to watch.
Well, it isn’t an anime unfortunately. The audio drama and books are all we got. Lol
@@GaiaGaiyus Well, that still sounds interesting. Did the books ever get an English release, or will I have to look for fan translations?
@@henryfleischer404 some of them got translated, but it's not complete and i don't know if someone actually still working on it, although there's a 25 episode drama cd that weirdly has opening and ending song, most of it got subtitles but I'm not sure if the whole thing got sub but at least it's covered the story more than the novel
@@kira516 Huh, sounds like I should learn Japanese.
It is so wrong to say Full Frontal was "before" Affranchi Char, that came out like a decade after Gaia was ever written, and by a different author. It's something like an alternate universe or a retcon, a fan insert from outside. I treat it like any other fan fiction, except that it was professionally written and developed. Full Frontal didn't come before, it literally came after. It was written after, it was animated after, it was designed after, and it was likely informed and inspired by Gaia's representation of Afranchi. Also, Unicorn is canon according to "Sunrise/Bandai," Gaia is written by Tomino. Which do you prefer to base your canon on, canon as per the model kit company that owns the IP, or the author of the entire franchise? Remember that this is the company that dunked Tomino and Gaia over IP infringement, and the entire reason that we will never get a localized Gaia adaptation (or gunpla, for that matter).
Can you increase your volume when uploading. When an ad starts my ears bleed
Sorry man, I ran into some bugs trying to fix this one. My later videos fixed this issue
@@GaiaGaiyus no worries glad i stumbled upon the channel today.
Please don't spoil G-Savior for me!
Do you have to acknowledge g savior the game was good but the movie not so much
Well, we know it sucks a lot. But Gaia Gear’s finale actually does have ramifications for G-Saviour prelude. The whole fact the Federation has collapsed in G-Saviour is very much set up with the manhunter’s coup and the fact they usurped the federation with the combined force of the entire EFSF. Not to mention when the federation was betrayed, their only true response was to bribe their enemies (Metatron’s leadership outside of Afranche Char) and have them bombard a peaceful innocent and occupied country from orbit with sub-nuclear missiles.
The federation would have them destroy the manhunters, but this left the federation and the colonies without a military to control the colonies afterwards. Leading to their collapse just a few years before G-Saviour.
I know G-Saviour suck. We ALL know it sucks, but it doesn’t mean it shouldn’t matter. G-Saviour is just an epilogue. Gaia Gear is the TRUE ending.
G Saviour isn't canon
Lol. We cannot escape it. The unfortunate truth, that the two stories need each other to survive.
Gaia Gear being the glorious and beautiful Yin.
To G-Saviour’s absurd and terrible Yang.
One resulting in a beautiful send off piece as well as a crummy, cheesy and mediocre follow up. A true mediocre ending if ever there was one
Still waiting for a Gaia Gear series
@@mtsthoughts2008 Well then you better keep on dreaming
Literally is canon even if you don't like it, Bandai hasn't ever said it isn't canon
@@Ultrabozo i mean if we could get hathaway movies in this lifetime, there's might be, *might be* a little hope for it since there's already an audio drama with opening, ending, and fullflage ost
Lemme stop you at the start. Plently of people actually like G-Saviour. Giant Robot FM did whole 4 episode coverage for thousands who like. I appreciate what you're doing here, but i really have to rebuke this G-Savioir hate.
🤨 I don’t hate G Saviour. 😔I actually think some aspects of it that have some really interesting facets, I’m actually looking forward to reading the book and the game looks great. 😕Unfortunately, G-Saviour has the stigma of having that bad Movie as the face of it all, and sadly the presence of it has always deterred people from exploring it. 😌I have no hate for it, infact, if you watch the finale of this whole series, I use G-Saviour as the entire foundation for the concept on Gaia Gear’s ending. Bridging the gaps between the two stories that end the UC timeline proper.
Ehh why are there KKK members in hoods with the Nazi flag on one of the covers? 🤣
Char what have you gotten yourself into?
Lol. For context: there’s a LOT of stuff that happens in the books that doesn’t get covered in the radio drama. The scene in which that stuff is depicted is actually during a vision sequence. Where the protagonist Afranche has this big revelation about the darkness of human history and stuff.