ThinkPad X1 Yoga Review (2018): Nearly perfect 2-in-1 business convertible
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- If Lenovo's X1 Carbon piqued your interest but you wanted a tablet and inking option the new X1 Yoga (3rd gen) is your answer. Here is why it's a better choice for only an extra $100. See at Lenovo: thrifter.com/syKo
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"I would get rid of the trackpoint" 😬
That's 80% of the reason why I get thinkpads. Once you give it a chance, there's no going back.
Its great but gestures on a trackpad are also very useful
no brainer when i got it in 2023 for $280 !!
bought Yoga X1 Carbon based on may reviews including yours awesome to the point review. Just an update for people who are planning to buy X1 yoga 3rd Gen. I am have been using this laptop for 3 months now and it already is showing some issues. First and foremost is Flickering of Screen issue after only 1 hour of use. Second is that when you close the laptop without shutting it off and open it again after 5 min sometimes the screen doesn't come on, you have to close the screen and reopen it and then it works. and last is that now the fingerprint scanner has stopped working. I still home it may be I got a bad unit but lets see once I receive the laptop back after being fixed from Lenovo as to how it performs. Another thing about yoga line up I have heard from few of people who have owned Loga lineup that there is issue with yoga as to screen flickering, Cheers.
How’s your experience been with Lenovo. I’m thinking of getting the C940 for my partner and a legion 7i for myself. Wondering if Lenovo is as an investment worth making.
Excellent review with all the information I needed and just the right amount of side notes so I'm not left with any major questions.
Outstanding review!!! From a diehard Convertible Thinkpad user, this review touched on all the points that I was wondering about. Matte Screen, speakers, hardware. But more impressively, for us in the U.S. market, LTE capability that confirms availability later this year.
Will you be doing a review on a top resolution Matte screen with LTE when it’s available? A lot of us would really appreciate that. Maybe with a Verizon LTE if possible.
A 9.99 out of 10. You lost me for a second at the Red Trackpoint comment. Lol! But seriously, Daniel, I know it’s a bit awkward to get a hang of at first, but once you do, (it only takes about a week or two to become 2nd nature), you’d see what an amazing feature this is, ergonomically speaking, and why we long term Thinkpad users hold it in such high regard. Especially if you tend to type a lot on your laptop. Just a suggestion, and it may even make for an interesting segment in a future video.
I was playing to buy this laptop and after the review, it gives me confidence to go for it. Thanks Rubino.
The wave keyboard reminds me of the butterfly keyboard that one Thinkpad had eon ago... Really liked that one and love the implementation on this one.
Wow. Great review. I dismissed the yoga and was planning at getting a carbon. Now I’ll have to take another look.
Maple Rebel carbon better?
Your content is so awesome, thank you!
excellent review and comparison - absolutely covers me
I am considering a refurbished for around 300. Like the T480 but also been use to tablets I like both. Had a chromebook with touch and another without. Still like the laptop with tablet like capability. Thinking of the I5 8350 with 16 256 and 11 co.patable may be a good deal
Love the size of the pen and that it stores in the body of the device. I've never been a fan of the eraserhead trackpoint system. I'd much rather have a larger trackpad. Great review.
So a comment from an x1y gen 2 user:
I've got a x1 yoga 2nd gen last year with i7 7500u and 16GB RAM with 512GB SSD. Since there's no major changes beside cpu, I think some of the experience from last year model would be similiar:
1. Pen: The pen that comes with the laptop is good, but not great. It's too small to hold and write it for a longer time. If you wish to take notes with this a lot, get an thinkpad pen pro for 40 euro or dollars. But that takes an AAAA battery.
2. Performance: x1 yoga tends to have lower limit on TDP than the x1 carbon, so if you need to do some CPU intensive task, go for T480s with i5 8250U with iGPU (T480s with iGPU has 44W long duration TDP for CPU which can release full performance of i5 8250U which would be comparable with i7 7820HQ). To be precise, Lenovo gave x1 carbon 5th gen 25W long duration TDP limit and only 17W for x1 yoga. And this year, it is 29W (x1c) vs 23w(x1y).
3. Thermal: It's OK. I repaste it with liquid metall and undervolt the cpu. In stress test, the cpu temperature is always under 75 °C and never throttles. Since the 3rd gen is using quad core cpu, the thermal performance will be worse and you need to expect throttling if you dont change any settings and repaste.
4. Battery: This is the biggest downside. When I got my laptop in June last year, the battery will last for at least 8 hours with moderate use (Browsing, Visual Studio, Light SQL), and now it will not last for 5 hours when I'm just taking notes.
5. Display: My device came with 2K (WQHD) display. Since I dont do video or photo editing, I have no feeling of color accuracy. But the panel is awesome. Using 175% scaling is just fine.
I have the exact same configuration as you on my X1 Yoga 2nd Gen except I have the i7 7600U and the terrabyte SSD. I'm not getting anywhere near 8 hours battery. I usually get 2.5 hours with my regular usage (normal to heavy, as I'm a CS major). Chrome drains that battery! I do love my laptop though. There's never even a hint of lag in normal usage. If I need battery life, I can turn on the battery saver, lower screen brightness, use Microsoft Edge, and maybe milk 7-8 hours. I've never tried it though because the thing charges so dang fast. Boot time is fast too (~10 seconds startup,
Before I purchased my laptop, I thought it would be able to handle everything that is not graphic intensive or too much processor intensive like dealing with GBs of databases or running 8 VMs at the same time and it turned out to be wrong. The dual core processor is a huge limiting factor when compiling and running vm and the same time or just doing some multitasking with vm vs sql and matlab. This is why I end up buying an used desktop with i5 2400 for these tasks(but i lose the ability to work with these on the way). Since I only had 2000 euro for the whole setup, I should have bought a thinkpad t470p or P51 and get a yogabook or refurbished surface, which is enough for notetaking.
Yeah but it was never designed to do all that, which I have to remind myself of often. It's great for around the school work and even runs eclipse nicely, but if you get into video editing, graphics, or running VM's, I agree, it'll bog down. You need multiple cores and more power to do stuff like that. Desktop is where it's at for stuff like that. I still love my yoga though.
Does the black bazel bother you ?
I'm curious. How is Bloatware on Lenovo devices? Can anyone answer from experience?
Great review, but I def prefer black and love the trackpoint :D
When is the LTE available for this model?
Brilliant review
Fabulous review video
Great review
Love your reviews.
Was debating to get this with monitors or just get the x1 yoga + razer core for the extra graphics when needed. Thoughts? the thought was basically saving the difference in $ been the extreme and yoga and get a dedicated plug in egpu...
Please do a Thinkpad P1 review. None of the big channels reviewed the P1 and it's the one workstation that far surpass the MacBook Pro top configuration
Though I know there's better machines for it, how do you think the Yoga would do with 4K & Full HD video editing software such as Premiere? Since it only comes with Intel graphics.
Nice review, but you forgot to mention the SD card and sim slot, or I missed that.
Thanks for the detailed review, Daniel! Did you notice any coil whine on your device? I recently returned two X1 Yogas because the coil whine was awful. I still hope that this is not a systematic issue of all X1 Yogas.
The keyboard actually also retracts when you close the lid, which i assume is done to protect the screen and make it a tighter close.
Thank you for your informative reviews. While having a IT background it is no longer my primary focus. I decided to go w/ the Thinkpad Yoga X1 over many of the other models & competitors. While quite pleased for the most part the 1 complaint I have is the residue that left on the black framed model. I can send you some pics if needed. Residue seems to be from finger prints & also resting your palm or using the trackpad. Do you know if this goes away or what to do about it? I have just been using the microfiber cloth it came with to wipe it off. Takes a bit more elbow grease than i am comfortable with. I am working w/ Lenovo on possibly replacing it if it cannot be resolved. I am told it will go away in a few weeks. Any suggestions you have would be appreciated, I would rather keep the black than Silver.
I think the dongle for ethernet port is included in the packaging. I got a Yoga 370 & the dongle is included. For those who want a cheaper version of it, go for the yoga 370, which is around $1k
will you be cover the x1 tablet as well?
Do a review on the Lenovo Yoga 730 15 in.
I agonized between this and the Yoga 920 Glass (Legegrezza i7, 16gb, 1tb, 4k). Could you do a versus video if you still have a 920 glass.
THank youuu, please help me to choose between x1 YOGA and c930 yoga, make for us a comparaison on fan noise wich is more quiet ???
How much less glossier is this hdr dolby display to the regular 1080p touchscreen matte display on the carbon x1 6 gen? So what i mean is would someone who prefers the matte and cant stand the reflections be able to live with the glossy on the hdr dolby screen of the yoga x1?
With same price $1,500
I can get X1Y3G with 16ram 512ssd FHD or also can get Yoga C930 16ram 1TB ssd 4k display.
Which one is better to buy and better deal?
My primary use is photoshop and illustrator and watching youtube.
Thank you,
HP isn't just using 1024 levels of pressure sensitivity. They have the HP Tilt Pen which is exactly the same as the current surface pen with 4096 and tilt support. But you have to buy it separately just like the Surface Pen. They only bundle their devices with the old pen.
18:9 friendly, nice.
I just noticed it today.
Do you know when the LTE variant will be out???
I completely missed this. I went with a high-end Lenovo YOGA C930. The keypad retracting in tablet mode sounds genius on the ThinkPad. I may reconsider. Any insight into a recommendation between the two?
That is the one thing drawing me to this. I am trying out an XPS 15 2 in 1 and I hate the feel of the keys in tablet mode.
Unfortunately, my 2017 Lenovo Legion Y520 came with an Elan touchpad.
I’m not sure if this was covered in the video but the screen have palm rejection when using the pen to write notes and other stuff?
I'm most interested in this, too
Please review yoga C940.
Does it inherit the bad design power button like quite a few yoga models do?
I am guessing the price will depend on the configuration but with fell phones entering lap top territory the price might not seem that extreme.
Great review. It just convinced me to buy the Yoga instead of the Carbon. With current discount, I got the loaded model (i7-8650/16GB/1TB/HDR) for $2,037 shipped (after tax). And I get 12% back on ebates, booya! Coming from a Surface Laptop... I can't wait!
They got the same one on eBay brand new no tax at $1886
“Years ago when convertibles came out...” Oh great, now I feel old...
4:37 what do you mean by "port replicator"?
thanks for the review!
i read even on lenovo that you must not move the item while its working (ssd ) but how do you fold it out and not move it!!!
Hey, I know you said that the display on the carbon is glossier. As far as colors go, did you notice a difference?
No
Windows Central Thanks!
I'm willing to buy a used one ,
Is that a good choice for watching movies ?
Can't afford more than 300$
Please give me an advanced advice.
I am a graphics designer and now planning to buy a new laptop mostly for Photoshop and Illustrator, high res mockups etc.... I just can't choose..
HP Spectre 360 15.6" i7 8750h 4k 32gb ram
HP Spectre 360 15.6" i7 8650u 4k amoled 32gb ram
HP Elitebook 1040 360 14" i8650u 4k 32gb ram
Thinkpad X1 yoga 4th gen i8665u 4k 16gb ram
Thinkpad X1 extreme g2 i7 9750h 32gb ram
Someone say x1 extreme absolutely overkill for me so do not pay for that
Others says for illustrator and photoshop tasks the 4core 8650 or 8665u also overkill so i will be happy with a 14" 4k display 4core laptop.
I like the yoga but 16gb ram and 4core i7 enough for creative work?
Also can't understand why a 6core 32gb ram Spectre 360 15.6 much cheaper then the Elitebook 4core 14" ?
Is there any sim card slot
I love this, I hate the 2019 x1 yoga it's grey
I know I'm petty, but the only reason i didn't buy the carbon was the big bezels on the yoga
So which do you like more? X1Y vs SB2? Tough to beat 3:2 on the SB2, not to mention getting Windows Hello on their beautiful display. No IR cam with the HDR on the X1Y is ridiculous. With that being said, I love the sexiness of a Thinkpad...
Great review
Both are excellent but different class of device. Hard to choose.
I wish I knew the answer to this.. I am struggling so much. My biggest complaint with SB2 is how much reflection I see on the screen. I'm sorry, but that just bothers me. I actually like the idea of this X1Y staying together in tablet mode and the keys going in rather than removing the computer for tablet mode.. as weird as that seems. I also like how the pen stores inside the machine. I really love this X1Y, but the biggest downside is the battery and then the SB2 has the best battery. I just don't know which to choose and it's rough.. If this computer had a better battery I would probably be all over it.
What smartwatch is that?
Do you prefer the HDR Yoga screen over the HDR Carbon screen? Due to the lack of glossiness.
Yoga because anti-reflective and it has touch.
Thanks! Is the Yoga noticeably hotter than the Carbon? I'm considering an eGPU/external monitor gaming/productivity setup.
I read an article a few weeks back comparing the thermal management between the two as they were configured differently. It might be this one..
www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/7yf95b/x1c6_x1y3_throttling_concerns_questions_answered/
I am running an eGPU combo with the X1 Tablet (gen3) and a GTX1070 and I am happy with the results. Haven't looked deeply into the results yet but the benchmark scores are as expected:
PCMark: 4634
3DMark - TimeSpy: 4769
VRmark - Orange: 5658
The website egpu.io has many users running different egpu combos
The most significant downside is the battery. And sliver that I own is not really silver, its grey. I returned mine due to serious screen flickering on HDR model. I think WQHD without HDR would be good with screen and battery.
Strange the Carbon Yoka has DDR3....My Thinkpad L480 has DDR4.....And yes the keyboard is superb on Thinkpads
How is the keyboards on the it vs. C940? The C940 feels shallow and cheap, not like a real Lenovo keyboard.
So apparently my unit has a sim card slot. Would this happen to be mistake from Lenovo?
That's factory default, but your computer does not have the actual modem in it to make it work.
Might be worth checking if you can add one - I'm pretty sure you could on the old Dell XPS M1530 way back when. Back then laptops were a bit more user upgradable though
Is this device support windows 11 ?
Are you related to Shroud?
Yes, the fingerprint reader y SOOOOOOO BAD, I cannot understand how a cheap phone can read in nanoseconds and this laptop with much more power.... last several seconds... SOOOO BAD
Does it have fan or fanless cooling system?
Has fan when temps get too hot
Why tf is there a wallpaper there copied from a Galaxy S5?
Do msi gs65
Get rid of the trackpoint!!!! just go get a Dell inspiron at Walmart, Thinkpads have trackpoints period. its the most productive input method ever invented, you don't need to take your fingers away from the keyboard just to move the cursor, and it helps a lot with people that have carpel tunnel.
me 4 years back. convertible laptops thats stupid. me 2023 ordered a brand new Convertible from lenovo
Yogapad it's cool pad
Yoga!
OLED on laptops PLEASE...
Just copped 1 for 150 aud
You make it sound like there is a choice between an work station with expandable ram, an dvd or blur-ray drive, place for an extra storage and an ultrabook and an convertable. But now its basically picking for one ultrabook with only place for 1 drive and soldered ram for another ultrabook with only one disk and soldered ram. You don't really have a choice to begin with in this current generation of the less modular thinkpad line. imo its becoming desperate to be more like apple by the year.
Remove the track-point!? Programmers, Engineers and Linux-zealots will burn you alive for such a statement. Tread lightly. Good video BTW.
58th! :v
Chinese based company? I don't support Dictatorships if I can help it.
add a notch to laptop and infinity display.....
A silver laptop with no trackpoint? You'd better go look for something else than a ThinkPad.
How the hell does "business" and "convertible" go in the same sentence?
Salesmen use signing pen for e-documents. Adds another layer of professionalism and "wow factor" when out in the field.
I guess it depends on how you define professionals. I'm an Insurance Adjusting Professional and the 2-1 makes perfect sense when in the field.
I like this laptop, but come on Huawei matebook X pro is a bit cheaper and waaaaaaaay better
Isn't built like a Thinkpad, which leans towards the segment who use their laptop in the field to make money.
Mustafa Alaabo is the matebook x a yoga tablet?
The wave keyboard reminds me of the butterfly keyboard that one Thinkpad had eon ago... Really liked that one and love the implementation on this one.