Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Yoga 2nd Gen (2017) Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ต.ค. 2024
- Lisa Gade reviews the 2017 refresh of the slim and light ThinkPad with pen and 360 degree hinges- the Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Yoga second generation. The laptop has a 14” display that’s available with your choice of IPS and OLED panels. It runs Windows 10 on Intel 7th gen Kaby Lake dual core 15 watt Ultrabook CPUs (Core i5 and i7) with 8 or 16GB DDR3LP RAM and PCIe NVMe SSDs.
The refresh adds two Thunderbolt 3 ports, also supporting USB-C Gen. 2. The backlit Wave keyboard replaces the Lift n’ Lock keyboard and allows for relatively deep key travel. A Wacom AES pen is included and stows in a silo in the laptop’s body where it recharges quickly. The convertible Ultrabook has stereo speakers with Dolby audio, a fingerprint scanner and relatively long battery life. Pricing currently starts at $1,682.
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The best reviewer on TH-cam. No flash, no unnecessary info, no skits. Just minutes of valuable, straightforward information.
Though the bday shoutout was short and sweet.
I don't know. It could use more dubstep drops. :)
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Yeah, if you watch her other videos it's clear she also has an obviously much higher technical expertise than the traditional youtube tech reviewers (guys in their mid twenties).. (E.g., by making specific comments about wifi chipsets and compatibility rather than focusing on superficial characteristics)
Yeah I've spent hours looking for a good tech reviewer and Lisa is in the top spot for informational research which I weight heavier when it comes to my personal purchasing decisions.
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If I was a richer man, I'd be offering to help sponsor her.
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Couldn't agree more, whenever a new tech product came out and I'm interested on it, I always look forward for her review. Even stuffs I'm not really interested on, still enjoyable to watch.
Lisa is a good example of how "hard work and persistence" pays off with time - she's been doing this for years and finally made it big
You're my absolute favourite reviewer. All of your videos are straight forward, clear and just brilliant!
Truly, there's no place like home. Great as always, Lisa!
I'm thinking of buying this laptop, looked at tons of review, must say yours is the best! Thank you!
I've been super happy with mine. It was expensive though so it puts my mind at ease that you also think it's worth it.
Is it still worth it now?
How's the performance and battery life like after 5 years?
Thinking of getting an used one.
There is inbuilt Ethernet hardware, and the proprietary jack uses it, but a USB LAN adapter does not.
If you use the proprietary jack, your MAC address will remain the same even if you change adapters since it's kind of like converting mini RJ45 to full size RJ45.
Right you are . You're the kind of person who probably gets my t-shirt without having to think for a second :)
Hello Lisa,Is it true that the RAM is soldered to the m. Board ? Can you make a smackdown Lenovo x1 yoga 2nd gen Vs HP Spectre 360 15" ?
Yes, and the 13" too. Curious about 8th gen i7 vs heat and throttling in all these ultrabook models.
Please do a comparison between the yoga 920 and the thinkpad yoga. Very interested in which one to get... Thanks. What are your thoughts lisa?
Got this with the Oled panel, i7-7600u, 16gb ram, 1 tb samsung ssd. It's fast and that display is gorgeous!!
RIP $70,000
I hope you get to do that soon. I got sick of lcd screens after getting panels with backlight bleed. This is the best laptop in portable/convertible category. And did I mention the OLED panel already? IT'S FRIGGING PERFECTION.
About $2700 with taxes but well worth the money spent.
I woud love to have one, but the battery life of the OLED bother me, how is your battery life?
Edgar Ramírez OLEDs have better battery life than IPS models if you use dark mode in Windows and backgrounds with a lot of black in them.
Hi Lisa, in regards to the use of a stylus on this machine, how is the x1 yoga in relation to palm rejection?
How does the 2nd gen compare to the 1st gen? Any noticeable improvements? (i.e. battery life, wireless connectivity, etc.)
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Thanks for the review, Lisa. Best laptop reviews on TH-cam! Just upgraded from my ThinkPad Yoga 14, to the X1 Yoga 2nd gen with i7, 1TB, 16GB, and yes...that incredible OLED screen (on your recommendation). Just like never being able to go back after the getting used to the performance of SSD, a few hours on OLED makes me realize I won't be able to go back to LED. It's like my last screen was colorblind. Compared with my ThinkPad Yoga 14 with older i5 and SSD - this X1 Yoga is much faster. I'm glad the keyboard feels about the same. Another user asked about scaling. I set mine to 134% which roughly approximates FHD resolution. Readable size with no fuzzy text.
Happy Birthday Lisa. Live Long and Prosper!
Great review! Thanks a lot! Except for the screen, is there any difference between the x1 yoga and the x1 carbon? Does it have the same battery life and same performance?
OK, that's it Lisa, you just made my mind up. I'm going to buy the Yoga X1 with OLED. Can't be bothered waiting 6 months either. Well done.
As per her SHIRT!!
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will you be doing a review of the yoga 370 at any point? im trying to decide between that and the x1 yoga. i like the slightly smaller form factor but its about 200 euro more for the 370.
zebble ganubi it would be great! I'm also deciding between yoga 720 13 inch, Thinkpad 370 and xi yoga 2nd gen
Excellent review!
Is this Yoga worth the extra over a "normal" X1 Carbon? How often is that tablet functionality useful (I'm thinking once in a while but probably not a clincher)?
I don't care about this product any, but wanted to voice how much I love your reviews Lisa. Been watching them for years, so much better than anyone else on youtube.
How does the wave keyboard feel?
The one think keeping me away from getting things like the spectre x360 was the fact that in tablet mode, I could still feel the keys, and I just didn't like that feeling.
I've been trying to find a store that had a X1Y2 for months now to try it out for myself, but none have it.
Does this new wave keyboard feel truly flat, like the back of an actual tablet, when it's in tablet mode?
The keys do not budge, not a bit. But you can still feel each.
Thanks!
Happy birthday to my fave, straight to the point tech TH-camr 🙏
No more port for the OneLink+ dock? I guess that means people would need to buy yet *another* dock when upgrading to this model.
I love your reviews!!! Its just all the info we are looking for =)
Lisa, initially when I last looked, the OLED screen configuration did not have the Sierra Wireless option to add-on. You basically had to choose between OLED screen, or the Sierra Wireless LTE support and an IPS LCD screen.
Has this changed?
I bought the OLED model WITH Sierra 4G wireless, so it's available, although possibly not in all regions.
Sorry I got mixed up. WWAN apparently is not available in bold lettering in the customizable option when you select OLED screen from lenovo's website.
Don't know if I need that feature though since I still think I could hotspot a wireless connection when on the go.
Happy birthday Lisa.
I have that shirt and nobody gets me. Perfectly lovely review thank you, great info!
Great review. I've got a third gen x1 carbon I was thinking of upgrading. Takeaway from this is to hold out for the coffee lake x1 yoga 👍. Thanks Lisa for another great review.
Great review as always, Lisa!
Another fair and excellent review. Thank you, Lisa.
Great review! How about Thinkpad Yoga 370? Is a much better choice than the wallet-crippling X1 Yoga 2nd Gen?
So all of the pens that you showed work with this 2nd gen Yoga? Can you confirm, please?
The grey looks fantastic, at least in the photos.
Buying a used one tomorrow. Thanks for this very helpful review!
How have you liked it so far?
I got one just a few days and no regrets at all.
@@devjesusc I'm very happy with mine as well. The only regret is that I did not upgrade the nvme to 1TB
Lisa, can the X1 Yoga charge off of a portable power bank?
Someone using this in 2023 can please tell if it's worth buying a refurbished one here?
its fine for normal use
'kay for daily use and some light gaming
I don't understand why almost everyone says that Thinkpad's are ugly. I love how they look. Great review btw.
Small "warning" for those interested in the OLED model (which I just bought): Whilst the screen is good in many ways, it actually has several optical drawbacks which few people mention: Whilst viewing angles are superior to most LCD in terms of brightness, they are actually worse in terms of colour uniformity. From side angles you will notice the screen goes blue for example. If you are particularly eagle-eyed you will even notice this effect when looking directly onto a white screen whereby you can see slight colour variation due to tiny viewing angle changes within your field of view. The bigger optical drawback IMO is the colour distortions that appear pixels change, typically from dark to light. For example, when scrolling white text on black background, the text goes slightly green. After some investigation I found there are test images which cause some horrible smearing to appear on OLED panels. The classic example is brown on a black background. As you scroll the brown bar will smear into purple. Its VERY obvious and unsightly and is obviously a core problem with the technology. Luckily you don't see this combinations of colours often. So I would say OLED is good for photographers, but TERRIBLE for videographers due to the moving/changing colours. This colour smearing can sometimes appear as ghosting. Lastly while the high contrast is great in theory, most digital design e.g. websites/apps are not designed for OLED technology. Because they assume LCDs for media consumption, they design for black being slightly grey, so things often appear too dark on OLED. In conclusion, unless you are desperate for OLED I suggest saving money and battery life by going IPS.
Jack Ukleja - thanks. Many customers have reported battery life issue as well. Will you please let us know your view on battery life? Customers have reported 3 - 4 hours of battery life and had to use dark wallpapers and webpage themes which defeats the purpose of a vibrant OLED screen
Same question here about battery life.
and now the new model is out, and theyve removed the OLED option thanks to that battery hit
I wonder how this(2nd Gen) compares to the 2017 Surface Pro. I don't see that comparison online. I need portability and performance. I like the ports on the x1 and the fact that you can open it up. How does Linux perform on both machines? and how does the X1 pen compare to the Surface pen? Will software like Oracle Database install on both machines?
great comments..I have X1 yoga 1st generation, is it worth it to upgrade?
Hello Lisa I recently purchased the Acer predator Helios 300 but I have noticed that when playing overwatch temperatures will reach 92 degrees do you think this warrants a return or exchange?
francisco hernandez still within 30 days of the purchase? You could just return it.
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Is worth buying it or should I save for the 3 gen model? Thanks:)
Here so early the video is still in 360p! Great video Lisa!
Can I expect a better sale offer on black Friday for this, does anyone know?
Happy birthday Mimi!
how's the performance when editing a video on it?
thanks for this super informative, specs-packed review right to the point, always the best!
I gotta say Lenovo does an amazing job with the Thinkpad series, especially the carbon and X1 Yoga. The super minimalist design is so modest and unpresuming yet the hardware underneath is amazing and the build materials is top-notch. It's just such a functional, rugged ultrabook that really stands out only to those who seek that kind of performance and durability, while totally putting off those that look for the flash and cosmetic design while totally ignoring functionality.
Which is better, this or the XPS 13 9365? I'm trying to decide between the two. The difference in CPU power doesn't bother me much.
How big is the trackpad in inches? Wish it had a wacom tablet function. Hate writing on glass and fingerprints on my screen.
I wonder if we can use a matte screen protector on this. My x220 thinkpad has matte screen and barely has any fingerprint on it. I write on that screen frequently. Man I miss matte screens..
Oh wow.. I have been waiting for this review since last 7 months. Thank you Lisa.
Hi, thanks for review. What mic You use?
I love your videos! I know you mentioned in this video that the keyboard switched from the lift n lock to the wave keyboard, but I just wished you would have also mentioned that the feel of the keyboard itself is also different when compared to the older Thinkpad Yoga line-up which are glossier, easier to type on, and more like the original Lenovo laptop keyboards.
I need that tp in my life
P.S.
very good review btw, congrats with this channel :D
Any idea what happened to the IR camera(for Windows Hello login) that was on the specifications (like the Iris graphics ;) announced at the beginning of the year? It appears you can specify it if buying on the UK Lenovo website but not the US one. Possibly the only thing missing from this laptop, besides a reasonable price of course!
Will I be able to upgrade CPU on my own or is it soldered onto the motherboard?
Dear Lisa, I am from Germany and have now after the third generation of the Lenovo X1 tablets appeared, for less than 1,000 € / dollar granted this second generation :-) I'm actually thrilled, but had a problem with the first set up: During Windows Updates (#1803 and 1809 - the big ones :-), my X1 2nd gen 2017 tablet no longer loads temporarily. Do you know this phenomenon or is my device defective? Thank you and best regards from germany
Happy birthday Lisa 🎂🎉🎉
Err, thanks. My birthday is in June :)
A belated one :)
Why don't MobileTechReview videos show up in my notification box anymore? I have to click on notifications in settings
Lisa: I use my Gen 2 a lot in tablet mode for note taking, and I'm finding that the surface of some keys is becoming worn; have you noticed this on your review model?
I haven't, but we've only had it for a month.
Uugh that's terrible, I thought that the keys were out of contact when retracted. I just found another person that adress this issue on reddit. Now I think that it's just a matter of time for recent x1y2 owners. How long it took to be noticeable? and, do you know if it happens to x1y1 too?
Oh, another question, which model do you have and how is the battery life?
Great review as always.
Can you tell what's the port to the right of the headphone jack at 2:40? I have this laptop and I am not sure what is the use of that. The icon looks like 3 computers connected to one line.
Ethernet
Why? why?Why they didn't put Iris Plus graphics in it?....:(
should i buy this in 2024? a renewd piece ? please comment.
I can buy a (refurbished) example with Core i7 7600U/2.8GHz, Win 10 Pro, HD Graphics 620, 16GB RAM, 512 GB SSD, IPS 920 x 1080 (Full HD) for only $440.
Is it worth it? Is it still a good buy i July 2022???
Thanks 🙏🏻
I got one for less than that BUT it works damn good in all aspects. It also very lightweight.
just picked up a used top of the line (7600u, 16gb of ram, and 512gb ssd) oled model for under $500 and it was easily the best pc purchase I've made. Everything out performs, and feels better than, the dell that I purchased a few years ago. While the newest model could be better for a lot of people using it in the work place, I can't see almost anything being better for the price. The only thing I dislike about it is the speakers, but I've never expected much from laptop speakers so it's really not a big disappointment.
Is this still working well? Thinking of getting myself one
@@ducc3430 yup! It's still working as well as the day I got it
I'm just getting mine today now. Basically just paid. Lol, wish me luck.
@@lucase.a.4005and did it make you happy
@@lucase.a.4005 is it good bro? bout to buy one here😂
Love your reviews.
my new favourite tech reviewer
Just got it (2022)... LOVE IT!!! and only $150....
hi Lisa. Iwould buy this laptop whit 16 gb of ram and i7 processor. For you support a not intense use of photoshop, illustrator or rhino 3d? thaks a lot byeee
What is the maximum number of monitors you can run off of this-2 or 3 ? thanks
Hi Lisa . Please compare This x1 yoga vs yoga 720 vs yoga 920?
Brilliant review as always. Could you do a Yoga 720 13 review? Looks like a promising laptop for the price but I haven't come across any credible reviews yet for the device.
Dear Lisa You are the only one straight forward no sales quirks pro reviewer on the net. Thank you much for your work. How would you compare the x1 Yoga 2nd Gen to the Toshiba X20w-D(111) regarding horse power on endurance, rigidity of lid and when closed, fixation of screen in laptop mode while under vibrations (like on a train, plane, bus) and amount of heat and noise under longer load? Also, any chance you will soon have reviewed the HP Elitebook x360 G2 (and could do a triple face off x1y vs x20w vs EB x360 as they share the pretty similar specs and are the only MIL STD specs having TB3 future proof)? Last but not least: after some reading (mostly NB) it looks like under 30min+ load, the x20w maintains 2 GHz while x1y maintains 1.9 GHz and HP maintains a desperate 1.2 GHz only; meaning especially with the HP contestant a demanding user (like me) would buy a 2.8/tb3.9 GHz device which actually is able to reliably run but a dying 1.2 GHz (which actually is my exact experience with my both HP Elitebook 2530p and HP Compaq Evo n620c :( )... so maybe you could add a prolonged Prime95+Furmark+combinated test (or some other way to confirm or dissipate these my stress load findings)?
A review from someone who wasn't sent a "loaner" (i.e. "highly tested machine so we don't get bad reviews") and has used this machine for work for over a month:
The fan, in fact, does come on quite a bit when doing actual work. Light browsing/editing doesn't trigger it, but it isn't completely silent and the fan is decently loud, enough that I have to turn my speakers up if I'm listening to a quiet video.
The left side of the palm rest has a little bit of "give" when I press on it, as if the palm rest piece of the chassis doesn't sit flush with the bottom piece that it's attached to. Not super terrible, but on an almost $3k machine, not good.
When plugged in, a hear a mechanical buzzy sound from the place where the power adapter plugs in to the USB C charging port. The noise changes slightly whenever I move the mouse. It's not always there, and it's very quiet, but noticeable in a quiet room.
Hi Lisa. Excellent work as always!! Is it possible to have a smackdown between X1 Yoga, Samsung 9 Pro and Surface Book?
And something about pens with 2 in 1s from an artist's perception. It is so confusing and...chaotic...
Love your reviews!
This thing starts at $1,600?? I got my near-identical Yoga 710 14" for $600!!! Where does that extra $1,000 go to?
great review like always.
Great review and thanks for pulling the back off. I have not ventured that far with my own yet!
I have the privilege of using one of these with the OLED screen (still hard to source I do say...) for work. Its a product aimed quite squarely at professionals who are on the move. The premium for the OLED is worth every cent for those who have the chance. Referring directly to its base cost, you are paying for what is a very robust yet extremely light platform which is a joy to use in any situation for a wide range of purposes. If you have a diverse job description, this is the business-grade Swiss army knife.
For the curious, the 512gb NVMe drive appears to be an OEM model of the Samsung Evo 960s. I am getting just North of 3gb/s reads on CrystalDisk tests.
I would describe it as the Bentley of the laptop world. It doesn't scream "look at me!" like a Porsche/Ferrari/Lamborghini. It is something which demands the recognition of those within its range of influence and states without any flash or flare "I mean f#$king business". :D
Hi Lisa and anyone else viewing this old review. I recently picked up a refurbished X1 Carbon Yoga Gen 2 and after a few weeks the screen died on me. Searching online it seems this is a common problem with this series. Did you experience anything similar or know of others who also had screen issues with the X1 Carbon Yoga series? Many thanks, Michael
Is it still worth it at the end of 2019 as a used laptop?
Thanks for the awesome review! For the keyboard snobs among us, could you comment on how the new X1 Yoga's keyboard stacks up against the 5th Gen X1 Carbon's?
Thank you!!! very helpful review!!
OK I'm getting this, going for IPS. FHD or WQHD? I will have win10 and ubuntu 14.04 on this. Would resolution scaling be an issue on these OSs if I go for WQHD? Anyone?
I love my 1st gen w/OLED and 1TB SSD. Been hoping to see a bit of an upgrade in the graphics/processing department . . . it can handle my lightroom/photoshop needs, but is a bit slow for that. Looks like they also took away the volume rocker on the side? That's too bad . . . very convenient when in tablet or tent mode. I guess I'll wait for 3rd gen and hope they upgrade graphics performance and give the volume rocker back.
Thanks for the great review!
Was going to order this laptop with an i7-7600U today BUT I came across a user review that said he configured the laptop with an i5-7300U instead because he believed that heat issues would cause the i7 to throttle thus depriving him of the benefits of what is should be the more capable processor! If so, upgrading would be a waste of money, I would think. Would you have any advice about this for those of us who might be considering this model? (Also if this is indeed true, I would like to know if this is generally a problem in laptop computers or is it more of a problem in ultrabooks because of their cramped interiors.) Thanks.
Susan I did some minor research on reddit and it seems to be a 7600U problem. Apparently the 7500 is a better
Gabe Merritt Thank you. That's a bit disappointing since the 7500 can only be configured with 8gb RAM in this model. If I want 16gb RAM I would need to order the core i5 7300. :( Can you refer me to the information you found at reddit either by link or by key words? Thank you.
Susan www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/6jmcgh/7300u_vs_7500u_vs_7600u/ hope it helps.
Gabe Merritt Very helpful, thanks! I guess I will have to consider the relative merits of the 7300U w/16gb ram vs the 7500U with 8gb RAM. I have a personal guru who may be able to help me decide. Appreciate your help.
Do other ultrabooks have the same problem? HP spectre x360 for example. That one has 8th gen i7. I'm choosing between that and X1Y.
Are you going to review the Lenovo flex 5?
opinions on the keyboard?
Great review!
I watch your videos even if I am not interested in the specific product!!! You deserve more subscribers
Great video! I've considered getting this with max specificatons. For now, my old Edge E530 is up and running good, though.. so I've been on the fence, really.
Hey, love your reviews! In your future reviews, would you be able to do a table of contents with the times linked? Like 9:16 battery life, etc. Would help a lot!
Thanks Lisa, great review and very helpful...looking for the deals now that 3rd gen is out...no quad core for me :(
Great Review! Thanks :)
I love everything such as design, portability and all of this thinkpad x1 but one thing resists me from buying is the gpu. So sad that it has only intel HD graphics. Hope for the config to build gtx 1050 like the new surface book. Btw awesome review. :)
Sweet review.
Great Computer, but I have two complaints
I was fortunate to get one of these two months ago through my work. I have an i7 version with a 1080p screen. The computer is replacing a Surface Pro 3 that I've been using for the past three years. I probably would have gone with another Surface Pro if MSFT had Thunderbolt 3 on their new model, but this limitation on the Surface Pro created an opportunity for Lenovo to get my business as this new model well equipped with the "future proof" connector.
This computer is great; however, I have two complaints:
(1) No external volume control. For some reason, Lenovo dropped the external volume control on this model. This is a major headache when I'm not using the computer in the traditional laptop mode. I hope they bring back external volume buttons on future models. I premium cost convertible model like this should really have the volume buttons.
(2) The fan runs way too much. Even when the computer is doing just light tasks like web browsing the fan will kick on and be distractingly loud. Hopefully, this will be fixed with a firmware update.