Discussing battery life is moot, from my perspective. You can burn a charge down in 2 hours or 20 hours, depending on what you do. Especially on capable machines. Benchmarks are always synthetic and simply don't mean much either. Just like advertising figures. I know we probably agree and this is starting the obvious but I'd really like reviewers to simply state the size of the battery and be done with it.
Hope you used the 35% coupon that was available until Nov 5th. My x1 Carbon also shipped from China few days ago! I was looking into the extreme version, but smaller size and hdr screen swayed me to get the carbon. Have fun!
culture best laptop ever. Makes replying to emails a joy. The keyboard is in another league as compared to other laptops. The screen is very good, bright, sharp, the colors are accurate and vibrant. Battery lasts for a good while. You really get what you pay for. Highly recommended.
Thinkpad keyboards are great. I have a X1 Yoga 3rd gen and the keyboard is better than the 2015 MBP15 that I also have. What happened to Apple, they used to have the best keyboards, now you have the low travel contraption that keels over with specks of dust.
@@rochester212 Sure, the current X1 keyboards are far from the best keyboards ever but for the current form factor, they are amongst the best I would say.
The new Lenovo Thinkpad keyboards are still far superior than anything else out there. Tbh, as someone who did his time with the age old Thinkpad keyboards, I actually have next to no preference. In fact, the newer keyboards are comparatively as good despite being chiclet, especially if you write on anything less comfortable than a desk with not much control over your hand movement. The newer keyboards I feel are way better for using on the go, on trains or at coffee shops. The only problem people really have is that the 7 row keyboards are gone, which I honestly feel like is such a none issue.
@@tubeMonger I liked better keyboard in my R61 (where nvidia chip died at some point), style and quality that ended with T420 as was already mentioned, than in my T430. I hope they improved since then considerably, as 10 keys fell off over a few years from T430, so I had to finally replace the keyboard a few years ago, but recently right mouse button for trackpoint use stopped working... In work I use T470, but it's mostly docked, so it's hard for me to comment on its keyboard durability.
I'm switching to a x1 extreme from a xps 15. Buyers beware the XPS 15 design is cheap and not durable. You can find plenty of reviews of the hinges breaking (like mine ) in less than two years. STAY AWAY FROM DELL
Testing at 60 % brightness instead of a fixed value (300 nits for example) punishes better display that achieve more brightness by lowering their battery score needlessly.
Thinkpads!!! I miss you , I'm so sorry for cheating on you with this HP Spectre x360 15t , I'll be back baby just waiting to see what you guys do with the next Thinkpad yoga
man i have the same HP laptop right now (with the bang & olufsen speakers) and i have been envying a thinkpad for quite some time. i wasn't sure about biting a $3000 bullet so i went the other way and just ordered a T420 to hopefully sate my thinkpad craving and help my wallet escape from harm
As I have said on this platform before I have now become a Lenovo fan. I recently purchased the 530 but I am now going to purchase a ThinkPad as my main device. I have no qualms with the QC concerns you mentioned in your review which was excellent by the way. Keep up the good work. Regards Shane
As a dell XPS 15 user that's previously owned a ThinkPad T430, I am sorta wishing I had gone to lenovos solution... The keyboard is much better, the build quality is much better, I love the trackpoint, and it's more rugged overall. The dell XPS's battery life isn't any better despite what he's said in the video, :/ browsing in firefox will give you some 6-7 hours max in my experience, and typing in word doing a project will being that down to 4-5. THe issue is windows, not the hardware and it's infuriating when apple can get 8-10 hours watching videos on itunes or 7-8 hours on youtube without breaking a sweat with their 15" macbook pro i7 models.
Recently got the X1 Yoga and while I love the laptop, the one thing I cannot stand is the residue from fingerprints that left on the casing as well as the trackpad and keyboard. It’s much worse on the casing and the keyboard. Looks like I have been eating fried chicken or potato chips when using it. Has to be wiped down quite a bit. Is this a laptop you own or they supplied you for review? How long you had it? Suggestions?
Watched this on my 2014 Dell XPS 15 that I'm looking just now to upgrade for no other reason than it is only now starting to struggle with my photo editing, and the X1 Extreme is on my list along with the latest XPS 15, but this video just pushed it to the top. So thanks for an informative review. With this review and the current deals Lenovo has on the X1 Extreme, it's a no-brainer.
well, actually instead of comparing with XPS which is a consumer laptop, you should compare this X1 Extreme to Precision 5530 which is the business version of the XPS (better quality control, better parts, more option, Xeon & Quadro etc...). The lattitude keyboard is pretty on par with the Thinkpad X1, so I'm curious about the Precision's keyboard.
Fun fact: most thinkpad users get these machines for free from their company and most never get to appreciate them properly(despite the drop in quality), actually they could be using any other computer since they get replacements every couple of years anyway. Personally i never got one for free, i buy them used and you learn to love their reliability. I never had a thinkpad fail on me in the last 10 years, i would just sell them to get a newer model, but i`m going to keep my T430 until it dies. They are very versatile by comparison to other machines, i have two hard drives and can swap one of them with a dvd drive when needed, i got two ram slots and they are easy to service after you do it the first time. Also thinkpad specific software is rather good, i never had to search for individual drivers for any of my thinkpads.
Most of the time I don't understand the appeal of the trackpad. With the nub, you can navigate through apps and Windows far faster and higher precision than any trackpad will deliver.
@@RabbitConfirmed - I've tried my son's Macbook Pro trackpad. While yes, the Macbook Pro offers the best trackpad in the business, with the nub you never run out of real estate without having to lift your hand for another stroke - no matter how big of monitor you use. And yes, using a nub offers faster and more precise movements than even a Macbook Pro's trackpad. The fact that Thinkpads have touchpads mean that you can still use gestures when needed.
I miss the old X models. The small yet robust design made them perfect for going from office to office or to branches without sacrificing functionality.
@Tina Mathur I'm well aware, been a Thinkpad guy for right at two decades. First one was a T-20 if I remember correctly. Definitely solid machines, well cared for they will easily be a 5+ year solution and last a decade or more.
To my knowledge, ThinkPads use Synaptics drivers for their trackpads. There is a way to install Windows Precision Drivers on Synaptics trackpads, which dramatically improves the user experience.
If you have the cash, sure. I usually buy secondhand ThinkPads (the T4xx or X2xx series ThinkPads) for next to nothing. My use case doesn't warrant a powerful and expensive brand new ThinkPad, and I don't like the idea of paying for a Windows license when I never actually use Windows.
@@pedalpatrol So does the X1 Extreme. It might however not be as obvious as at the XPS 15. In fact, Coil Whining is an issue that either Intel as well as Nvidia face, so nearly every powerful modern laptop has this problem. With that said: I also definitely prefer the X1 Extreme. The pure high-quality feel wins it for me.
Good review! Which of the 2 would you recommend for CAD, Thinkpad P1 or X1 Extreme or Huawei X pro ? I’m guessing P1, but would the other keep up with it?
I actually disable the Trackpad on every one of my Thinkpads in BIOS if possible. If I can't change it in BIOS I'll disable it in the Mouse settings in Windows. Any notebook with a nub will get the pad disabled for my use.
Guys, thank you, appreciate the review. May you please help me out - what is the sRGB for the 1080p display? I kinda seek better battery life & the price would be cheaper. Will do photography on the machine.
I've tried many laptop keyboards, and for typing hands down the best is the one on the Alienware laptops. It's not the best for gaming, but the typing experience blows my Razer Blackwidow Ultimate out of the water.
I love that picture of an AMC Jeep! neat! But your touchpad will work better in Linux depending on your windows manager. I use Mint, it's based on Ubuntu. I would argue it's still not as elegant OSX, but it's far better then Microsoft has done. But, that's my take. I do love my Dells so I am a bit bias on that front but your true competitor here is actually the Latitude 5000 series perhaps because they can be configured to be every bit as powerful, but built like a tank. Don't get me wrong, the XPS is a nice series and has gained in the professional realm, Heck my XPS 8900 is a massive powerhouse workstation. But, the XPS is still not your corporate style laptop as the X1 certainly is. Thus, technically it's still a different market and thus the wild price points. But that's just my two cents. If your a more wealthy executive, your not going to care anyway, while the guy doing sales might. lol. Still, I like Thinkpads. I would rather rock a Thinkpad any day over HP overly segmented business laptops not just because of the price points but quality and compatibility. Because the first I am doing is blasting away Windows 10 and doing something different.
Yeah I kind of feel that the inclusion of the trackpoint is mostly a branding thing. The red trackpoint in the center of the keyboard is just too iconic. But in reality, I have 0 idea how there's still people that actually swear by the trackpoint for practical use. Sure you can keep your hands on the keyboard while you use it, but is it really that hard to swap a hand between your keyboard and trackpad, especially when the trackpad is lightyears more precise? It just feels like a relic of the past due to older trackpad's being really bad back in the 90's and early 2000's.
one would have to make a very compelling argument to for me to really want to give up my X220. Battery life is not in its favor -granted. low res screen ? rarely do i use it. honestly my use case is weird and not friendly to laptops. i use it more like a desktop than a laptop. the medusa hair of cable running from the dvd dock and the laptop is interesting. the fact that i can take it with me at a moments notice is a bonus. really the big argument (for purchase) here is the switch to dedicated/hybrid graphics. if he got 6 hours on the 1050ti.......i am inclined to believe them about the 18 hours. but that would have to be on intels baked in gpu.
I love the keyboard on the X220. Am thinking about buying a secondhand X220 just for that keyboard experience. At the moment I have an X250, X260, T450s, T460s, T470p and a T480. I hate to admit it, but I'm a ThinkPad addict.
@@AndyTurfer better to think pad than think different. not that i hate apple or any thing like that but........at least lenovo doesn't nuke your data. x220t would be my recommendation wacom enabled screen on that one sounds cool
Agree fully. It's just such a pity Lenovo won't sell you a ThinkPad without an operating system on it. Without a Windows license, the price would be cheaper. I just don't see why I should pay for an operating system that I never use (I went "full Linux" about 10 years ago).
@@AndyTurfer I usually leave one small windows partition on it, for the rare cases where I need it. The occasional game, or that one weird tax program which I run once a year :)
@@thomasstufe1676 For the record, Windows could also be run in Virtual box, avoiding the need for a separate partition. For gaming, though, performance would suffer.
for gaming, there's Proton :DDDD unfortunately my laptop (hp spectre) has nvidia MX150 for which nvidia did not release a recent enough driver for proton to even work. [cries in dual-boot]
Try up to thousand open browser tabs at once- if you want to see RAM used up (not speaking for this model, but for my 8year old T520. But I assume it could be the biggest consumer even here).
How good is adjusting the brightness with 400 or 500 nits? Can you really adjust it fine enough? Because the nuances in Windows are always the same and so a laptop with 500 nits cannot be adjusted in the same fine way as e.g. 250 nits, right? Thanks for your review!
Hi, could you help me to clarify a point please? I have a back pain and I am working as a consultant, I need to travel every day. You mention to charge laptop over usb-c, I wonder that with USB-C charging at least how much watt is necessary to go on working with laptop? (I mean how much watt was being provided with the usb-c charger which you used) Thank you
You should have mentioned cooling. I have the XPS15 and the cooling is so bad during gaming it throttles from 100fps to 5fps because the graphics chip overheats. Also the CPU power is heavily affected by cooling. So how is the cooling?
The battery is awesome on the Nov 2017 X1 Carbon. No touch screen. Can't agree hit and miss record from Lenovo. Day before yesterday I forgot to plug in and worked all day.
@@tf2excession, that's what I'm saying, I believe some of the earlier X1s may have had poor battery life, but not the 2017 at all, so I'm just warning viewers that I don't think there's a record of poor battery life on X1s in general...
Everybody say they love the "thinkpad keyboard" when in fact lenovo changed it entirely after the T420, the last model which featured the real awesome thinkpad keyboard. Now it`s just a generic keyboard layout and feel, like all manufacturers use. They`re still good, but not the same. Writing this from a T430.
Great review...this configuration is not showing up on the Lenovo website. in fact, all the Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme versions are listed with a GTX 1050ti option. Strange, was there ever a 1050ti? Please, can you post a link to the model reviewed? I need a laptop for 3d modeling and rendering and this looks to be the best option to date.
Buy proffesional lenovo p1 instead - same chassis but the use of quadro card in it will be ten times better for 3d modelling. U can use 10bit colour with quadro, mosaic for external monitors, and these cards r certified and will not bog down or crash software...
@@TheVikingquest the 10 but color is attractive but the quadro card only pays for itself if you're using large large data sets which I do not use thanks very much for your reply I appreciate it I'll check into that computer for sure it looks like Lenovo is coming out with a version 2 of the X1 extreme got to have an 8-core processor in it and an RTX graphics card subset it's coming out in July looks like it's worth the wait. if you like digital art check me out on Instagram : Rsher_digital
@@rsher_digital-art yeah both models seem great! That x1 will be great for u - it is so expansive though! I bought a quadr p2000 used, really cheap a year ago- but if u dont need quadro, why bother. However i still find that maya just works on quadro, no crashes! On my 1060 maya crashed every hour...
@@TheVikingquest thank you that's good to know. I have never found any comments about system reliability based on the graphics card as a integral component of a system.
I have the Dell XPS15 and it's a lemon. The battery has issues with random shutdowns. Dell tried to fix the issue with a patch, that patch made it even worst. If you and your coworker want to compete with battery swells cheers to you. THE XPS IS MY OFFICE NIGHTMARE
I can get the max configuration for the x1 with 5 years of premium support plus accidental damage for 3700 Canadian dollars after tax. I am trying to decide whether to return the XPS I got for with 16 GB of RAM i7 8750 FHD and 1 TB SSD plus 4 year premium plus warranty for 2700 after tax. It seems like the thinkpad is better but 1000 dollars better?
I am looking into purchasing one of these what are they worth new and used. I have seen some new on Amazon and Ebay between 1600 - 2500 I'm a little confused. Any help is helpful. Thank You
Soooo, you make a review of a ThinkPad and do not mention the fact, that it comes with a 3-year on-site warranty by default? Wow. Apple and Dell both just honour one year and after that - well. That alone is a big big selling point to. It means - "Whatever happens in the next three years to your laptop - you are covered". Even for water spillage and such if you buy into Lenovo Accidental Damage Protection (ADP). Sure, you could get Apple Care+ for the MacBook. But that costs another 449€ (449 - wow!). And it doesn´t ever come with on-site repair, its always bring-in or shipping it. For people who don´t live nearby an Apple Store or who are on the go frequently, this really is a draw back and should be considered.
@@StealthElectronVIP The x1 on official US site only comes with 1 year, and that does not include drop and spill protection. you guys live in a different country or saw it on some other site? I really want the x1 for Christmas.
He completely ignored the other small looking ethernet port, which is why i came here in the first place. Is it because people dont know what its used for
Hmmm So let me get things understood. For 32gigs of ram is have to buy an extra battery and or go get a portable laptop charger. I'm willing to do such things to harness the power of 32gigs and ssd and good graphics on a core i8. 🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🤓
Justin Timberlake gettin good at tech reviews too
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Reuben spreading laughter whenever he goes xD
@@vitalis whaaat?? XD
damn💀
so funny bro
I'm on a different planet than this guy. 6 hours seems epic to me.
Given an XPS 15 only gets 3 on Linux, this is amazing to me
Discussing battery life is moot, from my perspective. You can burn a charge down in 2 hours or 20 hours, depending on what you do. Especially on capable machines. Benchmarks are always synthetic and simply don't mean much either. Just like advertising figures. I know we probably agree and this is starting the obvious but I'd really like reviewers to simply state the size of the battery and be done with it.
Ordered my X1 Extreme last week, just shipped from China yesterday. Can't wait to get my hands on it and play with it.
Hope you used the 35% coupon that was available until Nov 5th. My x1 Carbon also shipped from China few days ago! I was looking into the extreme version, but smaller size and hdr screen swayed me to get the carbon. Have fun!
@@DawidPA 35%, or 25?
@@anonymouse7074 there was a 35% coupon available before.
@@DawidPA how have you guys liked your computers?
culture best laptop ever. Makes replying to emails a joy. The keyboard is in another league as compared to other laptops. The screen is very good, bright, sharp, the colors are accurate and vibrant. Battery lasts for a good while. You really get what you pay for. Highly recommended.
I've never had problems with Lenovo's quality (excluding much older models). In fact I'm still on my 2014 Thinkpad Yoga and it has never let me down.
Damn, you're hitting that master channel hard in your Ableton project. Audio Effects >> Limiter >> Upper Ceiling
Please tell me you’re staying. The reviews needed a little quality boost.
All I need are your and Chris Velazco’s reviews.
Please tell me you're being profoundly sarcastic
Thinkpad keyboards are great. I have a X1 Yoga 3rd gen and the keyboard is better than the 2015 MBP15 that I also have. What happened to Apple, they used to have the best keyboards, now you have the low travel contraption that keels over with specks of dust.
The thinkpad keyboard died with the T420, mate. Now it`s just "lenovo keyboard". Not bad, but not classic thinkpad quality either.
@@rochester212 Sure, the current X1 keyboards are far from the best keyboards ever but for the current form factor, they are amongst the best I would say.
The new Lenovo Thinkpad keyboards are still far superior than anything else out there. Tbh, as someone who did his time with the age old Thinkpad keyboards, I actually have next to no preference. In fact, the newer keyboards are comparatively as good despite being chiclet, especially if you write on anything less comfortable than a desk with not much control over your hand movement. The newer keyboards I feel are way better for using on the go, on trains or at coffee shops.
The only problem people really have is that the 7 row keyboards are gone, which I honestly feel like is such a none issue.
@@rochester212 I prefer my T430 keyboard to W520 keyboard. Both are great keyboards.
@@tubeMonger I liked better keyboard in my R61 (where nvidia chip died at some point), style and quality that ended with T420 as was already mentioned, than in my T430. I hope they improved since then considerably, as 10 keys fell off over a few years from T430, so I had to finally replace the keyboard a few years ago, but recently right mouse button for trackpoint use stopped working... In work I use T470, but it's mostly docked, so it's hard for me to comment on its keyboard durability.
A review done which feels complete. Please let this guy review more stuff, his video presence and audio is soothing. Good job on the review again!
I'm switching to a x1 extreme from a xps 15. Buyers beware the XPS 15 design is cheap and not durable. You can find plenty of reviews of the hinges breaking (like mine ) in less than two years. STAY AWAY FROM DELL
Testing at 60 % brightness instead of a fixed value (300 nits for example) punishes better display that achieve more brightness by lowering their battery score needlessly.
awesome review. I liked the comparisons with XPS and MacBook Pro.
Thinkpads!!! I miss you , I'm so sorry for cheating on you with this HP Spectre x360 15t , I'll be back baby just waiting to see what you guys do with the next Thinkpad yoga
is the Spectre x360 15t not good, (why would you be sorry otherwise)
Its great but I love the Thinkpad keyboard, LOVE IT!!! best keyboard on any laptop
man i have the same HP laptop right now (with the bang & olufsen speakers) and i have been envying a thinkpad for quite some time. i wasn't sure about biting a $3000 bullet so i went the other way and just ordered a T420 to hopefully sate my thinkpad craving and help my wallet escape from harm
As I have said on this platform before I have now become a Lenovo fan. I recently purchased the 530 but I am now going to purchase a ThinkPad as my main device. I have no qualms with the QC concerns you mentioned in your review which was excellent by the way. Keep up the good work.
Regards
Shane
As a dell XPS 15 user that's previously owned a ThinkPad T430, I am sorta wishing I had gone to lenovos solution...
The keyboard is much better, the build quality is much better, I love the trackpoint, and it's more rugged overall.
The dell XPS's battery life isn't any better despite what he's said in the video, :/ browsing in firefox will give you some 6-7 hours max in my experience, and typing in word doing a project will being that down to 4-5. THe issue is windows, not the hardware and it's infuriating when apple can get 8-10 hours watching videos on itunes or 7-8 hours on youtube without breaking a sweat with their 15" macbook pro i7 models.
A very thorough and comprehensive review. Great job!
My X1 5th Gen works great. Lighter than Macbook Pro. I love it.
Recently got the X1 Yoga and while I love the laptop, the one thing I cannot stand is the residue from fingerprints that left on the casing as well as the trackpad and keyboard. It’s much worse on the casing and the keyboard. Looks like I have been eating fried chicken or potato chips when using it. Has to be wiped down quite a bit. Is this a laptop you own or they supplied you for review? How long you had it? Suggestions?
Watched this on my 2014 Dell XPS 15 that I'm looking just now to upgrade for no other reason than it is only now starting to struggle with my photo editing, and the X1 Extreme is on my list along with the latest XPS 15, but this video just pushed it to the top. So thanks for an informative review. With this review and the current deals Lenovo has on the X1 Extreme, it's a no-brainer.
Same here. Between this and an XPS 15. Just wondering if the new OLED xps in March is gonna bring any more changes or a refresh
One thing that this guy didn't bring up is the expandability as far as M.2 and RAM slots which the Dell XPS I don't believe have nor the Macbook Pro.
The xps 13 has upgradable m.2 and the 15 has both ram and m.2 upgradability
@@asagilmore8753 RAM is directly soldered onto the board on the 15 inch model now.
@@nathanadhitya That's for the 2-in-1 XPS 15.
The standard XPS 15 still has upgradable RAM and M.2 SSD but it's a bit tricky to install.
Oh yea, I'll really need to upgrade my 32 gigs for this laptop /s.
@@bxdroid oh right, my bad.
well, actually instead of comparing with XPS which is a consumer laptop, you should compare this X1 Extreme to Precision 5530 which is the business version of the XPS (better quality control, better parts, more option, Xeon & Quadro etc...). The lattitude keyboard is pretty on par with the Thinkpad X1, so I'm curious about the Precision's keyboard.
x1 extreme is technically a consumer laptop as well. The P series is more of the workstation version of the x series.
Fun fact: most thinkpad users get these machines for free from their company and most never get to appreciate them properly(despite the drop in quality), actually they could be using any other computer since they get replacements every couple of years anyway. Personally i never got one for free, i buy them used and you learn to love their reliability. I never had a thinkpad fail on me in the last 10 years, i would just sell them to get a newer model, but i`m going to keep my T430 until it dies. They are very versatile by comparison to other machines, i have two hard drives and can swap one of them with a dvd drive when needed, i got two ram slots and they are easy to service after you do it the first time. Also thinkpad specific software is rather good, i never had to search for individual drivers for any of my thinkpads.
Talking about the specs of a laptop with that music video going on on the screen... errm.... oh dear.
what video is it?
@@rharripersad naaah
So???
Appreciate the bass on closing credits:)
This review was so fucking well done. I havent seen a more detailed review in a while, not even from dave2d
Most of the time I don't understand the appeal of the trackpad. With the nub, you can navigate through apps and Windows far faster and higher precision than any trackpad will deliver.
I think you never used a good trackpad then.
I agree when it comes to most trackpads, but try a Macbook Trackpad.
You will see what I mean.
@@RabbitConfirmed - I've tried my son's Macbook Pro trackpad. While yes, the Macbook Pro offers the best trackpad in the business, with the nub you never run out of real estate without having to lift your hand for another stroke - no matter how big of monitor you use. And yes, using a nub offers faster and more precise movements than even a Macbook Pro's trackpad. The fact that Thinkpads have touchpads mean that you can still use gestures when needed.
What quality control are you talking about? They spec to military grade.
What it is about Lenovo’s quality control?
Yes what happened
what about engadget's video department's quality control?
exactly Lenovo makes best laptops for business
Dell and MacBook are worse in quality control. At least till 2019
I love that you're playing Little Mix videos back to back
Lenovo ThinkPad , best laptops ever for sure
I miss the old X models. The small yet robust design made them perfect for going from office to office or to branches without sacrificing functionality.
you still have the x390
I have a T450s and I am still very happy with it. It's holding up good and working great.
@Tina Mathur I'm well aware, been a Thinkpad guy for right at two decades. First one was a T-20 if I remember correctly. Definitely solid machines, well cared for they will easily be a 5+ year solution and last a decade or more.
To my knowledge, ThinkPads use Synaptics drivers for their trackpads. There is a way to install Windows Precision Drivers on Synaptics trackpads, which dramatically improves the user experience.
I found my perfect Linux machine
If you have the cash, sure. I usually buy secondhand ThinkPads (the T4xx or X2xx series ThinkPads) for next to nothing. My use case doesn't warrant a powerful and expensive brand new ThinkPad, and I don't like the idea of paying for a Windows license when I never actually use Windows.
Can you do a direct comparison of XPS 15 vs X1 Extreme?
The Dell loses for me in every way. All Xps have Coil whine so why buy a product with a problem!
@@pedalpatrol So does the X1 Extreme. It might however not be as obvious as at the XPS 15.
In fact, Coil Whining is an issue that either Intel as well as Nvidia face, so nearly every powerful modern laptop has this problem.
With that said: I also definitely prefer the X1 Extreme. The pure high-quality feel wins it for me.
Great review, loved that you compared to the macbook and xps.
Good review! Which of the 2 would you recommend for CAD, Thinkpad P1 or X1 Extreme or Huawei X pro ? I’m guessing P1, but would the other keep up with it?
as an architecture student who uses 3d modeling software on a daily basis, the nipple is unbelievably usable for panning , youd know if you know
I actually disable the Trackpad on every one of my Thinkpads in BIOS if possible. If I can't change it in BIOS I'll disable it in the Mouse settings in Windows.
Any notebook with a nub will get the pad disabled for my use.
Does it have a pen support? Is it Wacom EMR?
Guys, thank you, appreciate the review. May you please help me out - what is the sRGB for the 1080p display? I kinda seek better battery life & the price would be cheaper. Will do photography on the machine.
good detailed review. Definitely on the maybe christmas list.
I've tried many laptop keyboards, and for typing hands down the best is the one on the Alienware laptops. It's not the best for gaming, but the typing experience blows my Razer Blackwidow Ultimate out of the water.
What kind of QC issues did you have? I haven't noticed any QC problems with any of my Lenovo products.
I love that picture of an AMC Jeep! neat! But your touchpad will work better in Linux depending on your windows manager. I use Mint, it's based on Ubuntu. I would argue it's still not as elegant OSX, but it's far better then Microsoft has done. But, that's my take. I do love my Dells so I am a bit bias on that front but your true competitor here is actually the Latitude 5000 series perhaps because they can be configured to be every bit as powerful, but built like a tank. Don't get me wrong, the XPS is a nice series and has gained in the professional realm, Heck my XPS 8900 is a massive powerhouse workstation. But, the XPS is still not your corporate style laptop as the X1 certainly is. Thus, technically it's still a different market and thus the wild price points. But that's just my two cents. If your a more wealthy executive, your not going to care anyway, while the guy doing sales might. lol. Still, I like Thinkpads. I would rather rock a Thinkpad any day over HP overly segmented business laptops not just because of the price points but quality and compatibility. Because the first I am doing is blasting away Windows 10 and doing something different.
Yeah I kind of feel that the inclusion of the trackpoint is mostly a branding thing. The red trackpoint in the center of the keyboard is just too iconic. But in reality, I have 0 idea how there's still people that actually swear by the trackpoint for practical use. Sure you can keep your hands on the keyboard while you use it, but is it really that hard to swap a hand between your keyboard and trackpad, especially when the trackpad is lightyears more precise? It just feels like a relic of the past due to older trackpad's being really bad back in the 90's and early 2000's.
one would have to make a very compelling argument to for me to really want to give up my X220. Battery life is not in its favor -granted. low res screen ? rarely do i use it. honestly my use case is weird and not friendly to laptops. i use it more like a desktop than a laptop. the medusa hair of cable running from the dvd dock and the laptop is interesting. the fact that i can take it with me at a moments notice is a bonus. really the big argument (for purchase) here is the switch to dedicated/hybrid graphics. if he got 6 hours on the 1050ti.......i am inclined to believe them about the 18 hours. but that would have to be on intels baked in gpu.
I love the keyboard on the X220. Am thinking about buying a secondhand X220 just for that keyboard experience. At the moment I have an X250, X260, T450s, T460s, T470p and a T480. I hate to admit it, but I'm a ThinkPad addict.
@@AndyTurfer better to think pad than think different. not that i hate apple or any thing like that but........at least lenovo doesn't nuke your data. x220t would be my recommendation wacom enabled screen on that one sounds cool
Thinkpad trackpad support under Linux is way smoother than under Windows. Thinkpads are just made for Linux, the experience is sublime.
Agree fully. It's just such a pity Lenovo won't sell you a ThinkPad without an operating system on it. Without a Windows license, the price would be cheaper. I just don't see why I should pay for an operating system that I never use (I went "full Linux" about 10 years ago).
@@AndyTurfer I usually leave one small windows partition on it, for the rare cases where I need it. The occasional game, or that one weird tax program which I run once a year :)
@@thomasstufe1676 For the record, Windows could also be run in Virtual box, avoiding the need for a separate partition. For gaming, though, performance would suffer.
for gaming, there's Proton :DDDD
unfortunately my laptop (hp spectre) has nvidia MX150 for which nvidia did not release a recent enough driver for proton to even work. [cries in dual-boot]
actually bought surface book 2 instead, the keyboard on the surface book is insanely smooth......
Try up to thousand open browser tabs at once- if you want to see RAM used up (not speaking for this model, but for my 8year old T520. But I assume it could be the biggest consumer even here).
How good is adjusting the brightness with 400 or 500 nits? Can you really adjust it fine enough? Because the nuances in Windows are always the same and so a laptop with 500 nits cannot be adjusted in the same fine way as e.g. 250 nits, right? Thanks for your review!
Great review. Also, LITTLE MIX! YES!
so the battery life you had was on the 4k model and not the 1080p model correct? I know 4k will drain battery faster.
It does, that's correct. So the 1080p version will definitely last longer.
Lenovo, listen to this man and all he got to say..
He is spot on...
Hi, could you help me to clarify a point please? I have a back pain and I am working as a consultant, I need to travel every day. You mention to charge laptop over usb-c, I wonder that with USB-C charging at least how much watt is necessary to go on working with laptop? (I mean how much watt was being provided with the usb-c charger which you used) Thank you
What's the music used in the background?
All about that bass - Megan Trainor
Great review bro. You made me want one hehe
You should have mentioned cooling. I have the XPS15 and the cooling is so bad during gaming it throttles from 100fps to 5fps because the graphics chip overheats. Also the CPU power is heavily affected by cooling. So how is the cooling?
Keyboard (Lenovo) vs Battery life (Dell). If Lenovo increased the battery or if Dell improved the keyboard, it would be an easy choice.
The battery is awesome on the Nov 2017 X1 Carbon. No touch screen. Can't agree hit and miss record from Lenovo. Day before yesterday I forgot to plug in and worked all day.
@@tf2excession, that's what I'm saying, I believe some of the earlier X1s may have had poor battery life, but not the 2017 at all, so I'm just warning viewers that I don't think there's a record of poor battery life on X1s in general...
Not the extreme but tried regular x1 carbon and the trackpad disappointed me. Wish they could slap apple like trackpad in x1 at least in 2020.
Would this laptop be good for music software along with a couple plug ins , plus thousands of audio files?
Whats the music video looping on the thinkpad?
Everybody say they love the "thinkpad keyboard" when in fact lenovo changed it entirely after the T420, the last model which featured the real awesome thinkpad keyboard. Now it`s just a generic keyboard layout and feel, like all manufacturers use. They`re still good, but not the same. Writing this from a T430.
that pointing stick is better for your hands than the trackpad, also the best in the market; another reason to get a thinkpad
And the red nipple. I love it. If I have money to buy a good laptop, I will never invest it on any mac rather I will invest on thinkpad
Great review. Made me subscribe.
Great review...this configuration is not showing up on the Lenovo website. in fact, all the Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme versions are listed with a GTX 1050ti option. Strange, was there ever a 1050ti?
Please, can you post a link to the model reviewed? I need a laptop for 3d modeling and rendering and this looks to be the best option to date.
Buy proffesional lenovo p1 instead - same chassis but the use of quadro card in it will be ten times better for 3d modelling. U can use 10bit colour with quadro, mosaic for external monitors, and these cards r certified and will not bog down or crash software...
@@TheVikingquest
the 10 but color is attractive but the quadro card only pays for itself if you're using large large data sets which I do not use thanks very much for your reply I appreciate it I'll check into that computer for sure it looks like Lenovo is coming out with a version 2 of the X1 extreme got to have an 8-core processor in it and an RTX graphics card subset it's coming out in July looks like it's worth the wait.
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@@rsher_digital-art yeah both models seem great! That x1 will be great for u - it is so expansive though! I bought a quadr p2000 used, really cheap a year ago- but if u dont need quadro, why bother. However i still find that maya just works on quadro, no crashes! On my 1060 maya crashed every hour...
@@TheVikingquest thank you that's good to know.
I have never found any comments about system reliability based on the graphics card as a integral component of a system.
I have the Dell XPS15 and it's a lemon. The battery has issues with random shutdowns. Dell tried to fix the issue with a patch, that patch made it even worst. If you and your coworker want to compete with battery swells cheers to you. THE XPS IS MY OFFICE NIGHTMARE
Why don't you try switching to Lenovo ? I own a lenovo laptop since 4 years and it hasn't given me any problems.
i really appreciate the ableton test
Man the video qaulity is stunning
of those three laptops, what would be a good but more inexpensive spec option, that would be able to max out ableton and some light gaming? thanks
Dude, the camera was looking a the master volume and not the CPU consumption bar on the top right corner.
Considering the specs, the battery life seems admirable.
Beware, the link in the description is not for a Thinkpad X1 Extreme, it is for a regular Thinkpad X1 Carbon...
I can get the max configuration for the x1 with 5 years of premium support plus accidental damage for 3700 Canadian dollars after tax. I am trying to decide whether to return the XPS I got for with 16 GB of RAM i7 8750 FHD and 1 TB SSD plus 4 year premium plus warranty for 2700 after tax. It seems like the thinkpad is better but 1000 dollars better?
the thinkpad X1extreme gen1 and P1 gen1 can not upgrade wifi card to the latest wifi6...see reddit for detail
That's a really well thought out review.
What do you think about Thinkpad P1?
I am looking into purchasing one of these what are they worth new and used. I have seen some new on Amazon and Ebay between 1600 - 2500 I'm a little confused. Any help is helpful. Thank You
Install Solus and call it a day - nice review and hardware
Finally, a good mainstream ThinkPad review.
How do you *literally* push the laptop to its limits?
Why are you comparing the performance to a 4 year old laptop?
I'm using macro-enabled gaming mouse to keep up with this "extreme" thing.
may i know price in INR ? also can we extend RAM ?
Soooo, you make a review of a ThinkPad and do not mention the fact, that it comes with a 3-year on-site warranty by default? Wow. Apple and Dell both just honour one year and after that - well. That alone is a big big selling point to. It means - "Whatever happens in the next three years to your laptop - you are covered". Even for water spillage and such if you buy into Lenovo Accidental Damage Protection (ADP).
Sure, you could get Apple Care+ for the MacBook. But that costs another 449€ (449 - wow!). And it doesn´t ever come with on-site repair, its always bring-in or shipping it. For people who don´t live nearby an Apple Store or who are on the go frequently, this really is a draw back and should be considered.
Where did you read that I comes with 3 year onsite?
@@anonymouse7074 Lenovo website you damn noob.
@@StealthElectronVIP The x1 on official US site only comes with 1 year, and that does not include drop and spill protection. you guys live in a different country or saw it on some other site? I really want the x1 for Christmas.
He completely ignored the other small looking ethernet port, which is why i came here in the first place. Is it because people dont know what its used for
So it isn't a 2-1?
what's the name of the mv he is testing with?
If only they had a 16:10 model...
If I don't upgrade to 4k display is it non-touch screen?
do you think it can surpass dell xps 13 or apple please can some one tell me????!!!....
Does it have Dolby vision and does ut have dilby atmos sound sytem?
Hmmm
So let me get things understood.
For 32gigs of ram is have to buy an extra battery and or go get a portable laptop charger.
I'm willing to do such things to harness the power of 32gigs and ssd and good graphics on a core i8. 🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🤓
Watching on my X1 Carbon
what is the music video playing on his laptop?
does it have touch?
Lenovo Thiinkpad x1 extreme vs Dell XPS 15 9570?
*wound up launching Cortana* , switched to macOS
how about backdoor?