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- spoilers High Honor or Low Honor - We all have to face the betrayal that happens within Dutch Van Der Linde's Gang. Arthur Morgan, John Marston, and Hosea Mathews have all been Dutch's Friends for years - but today we explore what went wrong in the video game "Red Dead Redemption 2"
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“You see a man whose character changed. I see a man who got found out... for who he truly was.” - John Marston
The honest truth
It was Arthur Morgan play the game
@@alexishampton6356 I’ve replayed the game 3 times. John literally says it in a bounty hunting mission to Sadie in the Epilogue. Look it up.
oh okay i did finish the game once and i think i heard john say it so thank you my mink get mested up some times i have not played the hame in 5 months
i miss spelled some words it mind and game
“I gave you all I had…I did” I broke down at that in tears at that line…
100% I cried while editing this
Same
Mine was when Micha was insulting Arthur in front of Dutch when they were all riding together. It rang a chord of the same kind of belittling betrayal I've gone through with people I was loyal to (and probably shouldn't have been)
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Same. It changed me seeing that. It was so sad.
agent milton said it best: “Who made you the messiah to these lost souls you've led so horribly astray?” Dutch manipulated young lost souls with his god complex and smooth words, arthur and john being just children, to groom them into a life of crime and do his dirty work. the longer you think about it the more you realize how horrible of a person Dutch was. colm was bad too, but he never pretended to be otherwise, and his boys knew exactly what they meant to him: disposable workers. but dutch’s gang thought they were family and that he actually cared about them
💯 well said
Well he did raise one of the best gunslingers in the world so there’s that
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Yes. Dutch has this Charles Manson vibe.
Dutch did care about them ngl
They could’ve made this game a show, like literally. Each chapter being a season.
they should have in my opinion, it was honestly the best game I have ever played, in the end there was hardly any happy endings, that's what broke me. Arthur never deserved to die like that.
i think that chapter 1 would be to short for a season ig they should make a movie
I'm writing a 10 season tv show on Final Draft (just for me) that includes the events of both games they need to make it a show already lol
You sound ready to pay monthly 😂
Honestly, the story would translate to TV pretty smoothly with the right people behind it. It's been done successfully before with games like The Last of Us.
Arthur is literally the base of that meme:
“He was the best guy arooooooound”
“What about the people he murdered?”
“What muuuuuuuurdeeeeeer?”
If i would describe Arthur as a character, i would say that he was a good man who lived a bad life.
@@notyourdaddude1957 nerd
"Men don't change, they only evolve more in what they truly are" -Rain Falls
True in both life and he game
"all these years Dutch... For this snake?!"
Dutch is the main villain, and i explain in my point of view why:
Dutch is egocentric and manipulative. Even if Micah wasn't the rat, the gang's fate would likely be the same, and that's because Micah knew how to feed Dutch's inflated ego. Arthur and Hosea put the well-being of the gang members ahead of their egos, while Dutch, even when he seemed to be altruistic, was only doing that to convince himself that he was some kind of misunderstood hero (like when Hosea say to not seek revenge against Bronte, and Dutch says that is not about revenge, only to contradict himself in the way to Lagras.).
Arthur and Charles were aware that they (the Van Der Linde gang) were just bandits, while Dutch fantasized that they were good rebels fighting the system, and justified her violence and lack of scruples behind a supposed need (Heidi McCourt and the old woman in Guarma, also Eagle Flies and the young wapiti men).
When confronted about his actions Dutch had no shame in lying, saying that it was necessary or that he had no choice (abandoning Arthur in the Oil Field, for example).
To what extent did he do this consciously or pathologically? It's hard to say. But he has always been a villain, the difference is that in RDR 1 (which I played even before 2) he no longer tries to maintain the fantasy that he is an American Robin Hood.
I actually pretty much agree. Micah is only the villain because Dutch allowed him to be.
great comment and thank you for writing
Your explanation hit the nail right on the head, which makes sense why Dutch was willing to turn on Arthur so quick. As long as everyone in the gang was willing to feed Dutch’s ego by believing in his narrative, he would continue to play the persona of an “altruistic hero”. As the gang slowly falls apart, the more Micah feeds Dutch’s ego and the more people in the gang started to see him for who he was really was and that his narrative was BS. The more Arthur turned his attention toward good deeds and less toward his loyalty toward Dutch, this explains why he was so willing to leave Arthur to die. The moment you wound a narcissist’s ego, they have absolutely no problem or hesitation hurting and abusing you. This is why Dutch apparently seems to “change” because he was losing loyalty. Dutch’s whole “hero” persona was a mask.
@@sydneyallen8820i think his “hero” persona was a mask to a point. I like to think of it as Hosea being the Angel on his shoulder while Micah is the Devil on his shoulder. With the gang effectively being hunted down and all of them on edge, it was to no surprise he leaned towards Micah towards the end. Micah was the only one being “loyal.” Banged up head from Dutch and it would make anyone stress about who is actually being loyal or not. Which made it easier for him to just side with the people who didn’t question him. At the end of chapter 6 we see Dutch’s regret on his face. Then on American Venom it is implied Dutch came for the same reason as John. It is implied and Dutch also shot Micah as well.
Ultimately:
Dutch was a bad man from the start but attempted to not be that bad man. Pretty much Hosea was his anchor (It is also shown in the story that Arthur preferred Hosea more than Dutch which could be another factor as to why he doubted Arthur a lot after his death). The more he lost the more it seemed like he couldn’t come back. So it seemed he just embraced that side of him in rdr1 due to the fact that he essentially had nothing to lose at that point. At that point it just seems like he was just trying to survive in a world that didn’t want him anymore. This was something along the lines Dutch said right before he died as well.
All in all I think there are multiple on top of multiple factors in the gangs decline. Dutch tried to fight back at the world he always did best, but, with technology on the rise and police forces being more prevalent….yea they stood no chance unless they played it smart. However, Dutch being Dutch, they needed one big getaway. Which could have worked if he played his cards right.
Back to him putting on/off a mask though, final conclusion:
With everything going to shit, on top of added stress, making mistakes on top of mistakes, stress on who is the rat, getting banged on the head, and getting played by Bronte. It’s kinda like Dutch said fuck it, let me trust the one person who isn’t doubting me. He’s one of the gang members and It’s not like Micah is giving invalid reasons to Dutch. All the things Micah feeds to Dutch makes sense, it just isn’t right. As dutch said, he’s trying to have the gang survive so he’s dropping all his morals to do so (Micah made it easier to do so). From Dutch’s POV, everyone is just doubting him. Which is valid. Micah is the only one providing a solution whether that is a morally good or bad. However one thing he did not account for was Micah being the rat. Or he did suspect him but lost sight of it during chapter 6 with all the stress. In chapter 2 theres a random encounter with Micah sucking up to Dutch. Dutch looks at Arthur and asks, “whats his game?”
Micah was a random dude he was 100% gonna snitch
You are wrong. Dutch went crazy
Dutch is the main villain. Can't believe how many people defend him. ''but but he went crazy it's not his fault''. Dutch just showed his true colors, he was an ego maniac who only cared about money
That’s how good and complex of a character he is.
@@EnTiempo824 Exactly, he managed to fool so many people, including players :D
What's the difference of turning insane and showing true colors to you?
I don't really think he really cares about the money. For me it was just an excuse he said to the gang to keep them believe on him. The real dutch's goal is only to destroy this modern society.
When i said he don't care about the money we can see that, for example, he didn't go take the blackwater's money, he didn't make Bronte an hostage to earn money, he didn't take back the gold he gave to the old lady even after her death. Even at the end, when you choose to go take the money, Dutch didn't take the money and he just leave the camp.
@@KeyUploadskinda like being drunk
You become kinda insane and show your true colors
dutch and arthur have been brothers in arms for 20 years and he trusts some rat named micah which he only met 6 months ago over arthur
That’s like favouring Chris Pratt over Charles ‘’I want to voice Mario until I drop dead ‘’ Martinet.
He dosnt trust micah more than arthur. Its like a megatron and starscream type of deal. Dutch knows micah is way more likely to betray him than arthur is, but he also knows that micah is more likely to follow dutch in his bloodlust
I knew nothing about the first game so i thought dutch was just cool leader dude at first
I honestly feel like both people who played the first game and those who didn’t get amazing yet unique experiences for playing RDR2
Play the first one if you haven’t yet!
I played the rdr2 first. And now I play rdr1. All I can say is that at the start I really thought that Dutch is just some really good leader, a bit psycho but still ge tries his best.
Then ch.5 happend.
Then 6.
Then Epilogue
Then I played rdr1........
Same
I loved Dutch from the beginning especially in that one scene when Jack is kidnapped and he takes the whole gang to Braithwaite manor and burn the whole place down. Just because they kidnapped a boy.
same! i was so happy and rly liked his leadership when things turned out good til chapter 3.
0:43 Arthur had Dutch’s back but Dutch didn’t have Arthur’s.
Heart breaking
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I do believe at one point Dutch was a good man, but being hunted by the Pinkertons, things going wrong, gang members dying, and being unwilling to step away from the life he built in the gang, he let his demons win.
I feel Dutch was delusional from the start. Right after episode 1 he's like a gambler on full tilt, obsessed by his last big score, bragging about his "plan", ranting about Tahiti, while he knew deep inside it was all crap and would not work. I assume the Blackwater disaster was too much for him and he couldnt take it...
@@deedeechur like Arthur said Dutch was on a slow decline (correct if I’m wrong)
@@deedeechur From the start of the game maybe, but I am not sure he was like that when he founded the gang. Afterall when you read about your first Banks heist, well Hosea Arthur and Dutch did gave some of the profit to poor family and orphanages, the gang keep making reference about they used to help people more before the event of Rdr2 .
Dutch is a libertarian idealist. He think the poor are being oppressed by rich man, and the government, but as times went on, his fight was less and less for the poor and more about sticking up to the rich, and government. That's why he can't quit as long there is a rich man or a government standing, it is not about the money it is about winning, his ultimate big score is against the federal government afterall. Yeah sure he probably was always a bit delusional, but his priorities did change.
I know this sounds kinda pointless but one of the things I allways love to see in this long videos about RDR2 is how people costumise Arthur
Honestly same
The most dangerous man in the battlefield is one who has nothing to lose- Sun Tzu
1:25 it’s important to note later you can find this speech in the chapter 2 camp, he planned it, which puts it’s genuineness into serious question. He could have always been manipulating everyone, in fact how do you think he talked everyone out of robbing him and instead working for him? Amazing video though, hope it goes viral soon!
Everyone makes notes
@justice_of_TH-cam I think the idea here is that Dutch sells himself as passionate and authentic, loyal to the cause until the end - but then he has to plan these things in advance to paint himself a certain way. If he really believed the things he was saying he shouldn't have to plan ahead. It just comes off as disingenuous
@@willoworm like i said, everyone makes notes, presidents, people atca celebration, talking in public, friends, even family members. Does that now mean they are manpiulating you?
And dutch is spontaneous, he doesn't like to plan ahead. He wouldn't have the habit of making notes for a melefic plan
@@justice_of_TH-cam Bruh he's talking about his friends dying
@@georgeterpsidis8143 yeah so?
Dutch left arthur 3 time
1.When arthur got caught by odriscoll
2.when in ship to guarma
3.in oil field he literally left arthur that arthur know it
Why are you stupid?
The saddest part to me was when Arthur begs Dutch to let John, the women and children leave. Dutch can’t get past the fact it’s John he asks for but misses the fact that Arthur even then is willing to die for Dutch but just wants the rest to have a chance to live. It’s gut wrenching
Wow Dutch even manipulated me a little bruh😭😭😭
😂😂😂😂😂💯💀💀
Seeing Javier not directly point his gun at Arthur and John is heard breaking on an entirely different level. Noticed this on my first play through :(
Javier took it the worst out of everyone, aside from dutch of course, and it shows in rdr1
A lot of people don't seem to notice this detail (I had a whole discussion over that fact, and they still wouldn't believe me). I personally think that Javier didn't understand the situation. He was away and spotted the Pinkertons, when he alerts the gang he sees Micah shooting Susan. Then, when Dutch asks who's on his side, of course Javier joins him, as he's loyal to the gang, but he's confused on the situation. He at first points to the side, then in the air and finally but slowly lowers his gun. He hesitates, because he sees Arthur as a good guy while also being loyal to Dutch. At last, when in the final scene he has his gun pointed at Arthur, Pinkertons show up, which forces everyone to abandon their 2v6 situation.
I think in Chapter 2 when "Greeting" Javier, Arthur says something along the lines "You're probably the most loyal of us all" (might be under different circumstances, I can't remember). Of course, this could change but in Chapter 5 he is rescued by Dutch and Arthur, which only solidifies his loyalty to Dutch.
Javier just chose wrong choices.
Yeah sure you did buddy. After seeing the "javier PoIntEd No GunNy" argument for the upteenth time. We can all believe you
@@apeasant8550i'd say bill took it worse
@@justice_of_TH-cam How can you miss it? Also, what argument? I just think it’s a neat detail that hit hard when I didn’t know what was going to happen. No need to get sour partner :)
Even Trevor from GTA5 had much more honor than Dutch.
Don’t know if that’s a fair comparison because Trevor actually showed he was a loyal person. He was mean to enemies but he would risk his life for his friends. When I was playing the game I heard I would have to kill one of the characters and it was going to be Trevor however as the game went on I decided I’m not killing him and I chose option c every time.
@@carguy3028 IF you chose to kill Trevor , Michael will have no problem to kill his friend. If you decided to kill Michael, Trevor will refuse to help you. Trevor was chaotic but he was loyal.
A better comparison for Trevor, is Micah, both of them are trigger go lucky, shoot first ask questions later and thick skilled individuals preferring to take the extreme route before anything else unless overruled, except Trevor has been shown to be loyal, and despite his behaviour, clings on well to whoever he calls a friend, Micah on the other hand, slips away, makes a deal and has Dutch's mind and emotions in the palm of his hand. So aside from Micah being a rat, him and Trevor are more alike and Trevor and Dutch
It’s interesting to see how Dutch slowly devolves into this insane vision of his. Before, it’s so easy to get mesmerized by his speaking and his ways, you can feel the compassion he has for the gang, but later, you just don’t feel that warmth. It’s cold and calculated, he doesn’t say as much during interactions and he’s suspicious of everyone. It’s such a change and no one expects it because it’s such a slow burn.
The quality behind these videos is rlly good. Keep up tha grind
Thank you very much!
It’s crazy how well written both games are and for the most part how well done each character, even small ones, are. Each gang member feels relatively unique and each feel real and add an interesting dynamic
Dutch was definitely a charismatic leader and a teacher, who believed in equality and hated racism and industrialism/capitalism. Van Der Linde gang was so ahead of its time, compared to the others. Dutch took in the women (including the widow Mr.Adler), Javier (a mexican), Lenny (a young black man), Charles (half-black, half-native), Swanson (a drug addict reverend) etc. He had a great vision but also a bit of 'ego', which ultimately led to his downfall. His idea of a pure, better world was already gone with the rapid rise of civilization, industrialism and capitalism. As he kept getting bested by Cornwall, Pinkertons, Bronte etc., he began losing it, especially after Hosea's death.
Imagine if Rockstar decided to fix his final line in RDR remaster.
'Arthur was right, John. Our time is passed.'
Dutch knew his dream was only an idealistic dream. He had no real practical vision.
Dutch only took advantage of oppressed minorities cause they were easy to manipulate to do his dirty work. He took advantage of the Wapiti Indians and he manipulate other native Americans in RDR1 to do crimes for him.
You're right Dutch is the perfect bleeding heart liberal. All the altruism all the fake bravado pretending to be angry about injustices he won't lift a finger to change and in the end it turns out Dutch is about all equality because everyone in the world makes good cannon fodder. He disdains everyone equally.
That is the thing: "a great vision". A vague concept of a "pure world". That is how you manipulate people, let them use their imagination of a paradise that Dutch can't really explain because he doesn't know himself. He just demonize the system to gather people that couldn't find their place in it. As if modern world is only evil.
The greatest betrayal is Rockstar abandoning this game’s potential as well as not fixing things like the glitchy scout jacket in single player and the stable glitches online.
How is the scout jacket glitchy?
This is actually the first I am hearing of it
Also John looking weird in the epilogue
or finishing different areas in new austin.
@@PixelatedFlu I prefer the dark almost black Scout Jacket and when you pass through areas, shadows and buildings it can make the jacket look like glitchy velvet with underlying patterns, which would appear cool if it were an additional option instead of running all but the wolf scout jacket.
And no heists. You can't tell me there was no train and bank robberies back then! L rockstar
Just yesterday i replayed and ended RDR2. Cried more then last time. It was like i lost a brother and i couldn't even take a breath
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Dude you deserve more subs and views for sure! Your content, especially your Red Dead Redemption analyses so far are fantastic! I haven’t even gotten 1 minute into the video yet and your editing is spectacular I must say, keep up the good work and to all who read this I hope you have a great day!
Agreed
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Hey thank you so much! Really appreciate it! This one was fun to make. Crazy to see the arc of the characters.
Appreciate the comment and hope you have a great day too
This guy deserves millions of subscribers with this quality videos, keep up the good work man.
Thank you so much pengos I really appreciate it. Love making these videos.
actually was shocked to see this video wasn't viral. so well made, keep it up!
It IS viral? Wtf are you talking about?
@@justice_of_TH-cam it only had like 20k views at the time chill
@@jgibbyondatrack you and the video are 5 days old. So that's why i was confused
@@justice_of_TH-cam yeah
I feel that Dutch was only in it for the rush, because by the end, he had enough money to get everyone out. He just chose not to do that. His whole thing was fighting a changing world. His failure to adapt caused the gangs downfall. He is a true narcissistic character.
“You gonna strangle me next?”
The moment when Arthur made me realize how cynical Dutch was
Dude you found the golden ticket with these RDR2 videos, the story is great and you’re great at making it interesting even though I know what’s happened. Looking forward to seeing your growth bro!
Thank you! I appreciate that so much! Yeah I am excited and very thankful for what’s been happening lately. I am going to go hard on rdr2 for a while and hopefully branch out into some other stuff later on. Probably other games that are story heavy.
@@PremoSaysThings can’t wait to see more man, also if you’re into it I think you would make fantastic resident evil videos. Good luck man
These videos are such high quality and great entertainment - crazy that this channel hasn’t got more subs tbh.
Thanks so much! Really appreciate it.
dutch has been crazy from the very very start of the game with certain events just making him more crazy
When you play the game and me personally, my ass actually thought Dutch here was struggling to be a good leader and Micah ruined it, but nah nah since black water with the lady, Dutch has been struggling to hide that bad energy that he has had since the dawn of time and Micah here just pushed to embrace it- and therefore we have the duo that ended the fucking gang.
Great video💯 Love your narration and format!👍👍👍
Thanks! I really appreciate that!
6 years on and this game still holds up I'm going to replay the story for a third time! Great video
I always antagonize Dutch.. hate his guts.. more than Micah's.
me too. he knew the gang for far longer than Micah and yet he chose to betray them and side with that psycho... it's unforgiveable. in the end he was just a greedy and narcissistic bastard
I swear i see yt videos with better production than most big budget movies. That intro was cold.
great video mate - thank you
Another great video - and I watch much more than my fair share of RDR content. Subscribed.
Great video cowboah
I hope you‘re getting with this to tahiti🤠
Thanks partner, I got a plan
@@PremoSaysThings I will always have your back, Dutch 👍
Pop off boy, loving these videos ❤
Thank you friend! I really appreciate it!
I personally feel like Dutch was lying to himself just as much to everyone else.
He convinced himself that he was a good person, because that was easier than looking inward and seeing the flaws he needed to fix for the gangs long term survival.
I feel like the “I gave you all I had” scene was the one moment in the second game where his self image cracked and he started to see the darkness inside him.
Sadly, he only fell further into that darkness without his pretty mask to keep him somewhat in check.
I love the fact that you are also wearing the Rodeo Hat! I haven’t seen many wear it. I personally think it’s the best hat in the Game! Love your video
It's such a nice touch to see Javier is pointing his gun in the air before the pinkertons interrupt
This video is fantastic. Bravo 🙌🏻🎉
a game have never brought me to tears its truly a heart breaking story i love arthur so much
I felt Dutch’s plan to make noise as a distraction was stupid, it attracted too much attention, they should have just left quietly and maybe Dutch could have kept his image and the crew together… For as long as Micah was able to hold off on ratting.
another great rdr2 vid
Thanks! Appreciate it
The greatest betrayal is Rockstar not making any dlc for RDR2. Not undead, not blackwater, nothing😠
4:27 might be the toughest line in the game
Awesome video!! Keep it up bro
I finished the game not too long ago and now today I'm gonna start playing it with my grandpa
Arthur's "faith" was starting to waver even as soon as the failed Blackwater job. The killing of the old Spanish woman caused him to pay attention and it was the willingness to abandon John (twice) and finally when Dutch listened to Micah and decided to abandon Abigail that caused Arthur to finally snap.
Damn this its insanely good made u earned a sub
the end made me cry again...
I don't get how micah get's away with Killing grimshaw
I was wondering that too while I was editing, Arthur had nothing to lose. It felt like he should have shot Micah right then
@@PremoSaysThings Then micah would shoot arthur and john would have to try and find his family by himself I think. I don't really know though
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He can’t keep getting away with this
Well, as great as the game is, nobody can deny it has a LOT of plotholes
Amazing video ❤
Thank you very much nerdy stuff!
I feel like once hosea died that’s when dutch completely lost it. If you think about it hosea was his best friend thats alot to cope with as well as being on the run and the mental tole of the responsibility of everyone in your gang’s safety
Another amazing video ❤
Scenes with music hit differently. Rawer. More tense.
It’s so interesting to frame Dutch’s actions as a betrayal vs. Arthur and John betraying him. It really shows what a degenerate he was at the end of the game. Such a fascinating character, really, so well performed by Benjamin Byron Davis. It gives him so much life.
I guess donating 12,385,000$ wasnt enough for him
Dutch: we need MONEY
Arthur with 12,385,000$ in his pocket:
I’ve watched that Final Cutscene 100 times and it never fails to hit hard
The greatest story in video games. This game will always hold a special place in my heart. Great watch 🙌🏿🔥
I don’t think they can ever top this story, the gang, the interactions you can just watch and play. Literally the camp always has something more and new every time you go back. You can see the seeds sown in camp interactions and you see how the story unfolds as it does. I legit don’t think you can find another story this interesting interactive and complex in a story that is heading into a singular direction. Your 1st play through you might just get the main beats, but if you come back every mission to the camp and crew, watch or talk to everyone….there is so much you can miss, outside if the camp in general THERE IS SO much you can miss in the game. Stuff you won’t even know or see unless you roll up on it. This will be Rockstars magnum opus, though I hope GTA6 defies expectations
let's not forget that dutch DID take in sadie at the start of the game. An extra mouth to feed when the gang is that low has to say something abt his humanity. so i guess something did change him down the line
There are talks about a RDR3 possibly in the works and someone mentioned it should be about Dutch Van Der Linde. It kind of makes sense since we know the fate of Arthur Morgan, John and Jack Marston. It would be interesting to know of the transition before leading into the start of the modern 20th Century world and just after the Industrial Revolution era. I honestly felt something powerful of playing RDR2 like it was trying to tell us how civilization and survival used to be like compared to now…just a work of art and great storytelling.
Still have nightmares on "i have a plan"
Just completed and started the epilogue for RDR2 yesterday(1st playthrough) and its the best game ive played beside ghost of tsushima👌👌
In the first mission in chapter 5 when your in the change gang one of the soldiers says something in Spanish and dutch replies In english so he can actually speak Spanish
That’s wild thank you for the comment
I remember one time arthur wrote into his journal after he met the inventor of the electric chair in saint denis (or something like that i dont quite remember)
"I think this might not be the first time I am getting fooled by a smart man"
I plan on building a PC just for this game. I play it on my ps5 and a decent TV but when I watch PC footage of this game it blows my mind how good it looks. I’ve never had a pc so I’ve never games on 1 but all these different games, especially this 1, look so damn good it makes me want to build 1.
Such fantastic work! However I’m surprised you neglected to touch on Dutch’s head injury sustained in the trolly accident in Saint Denis. I always wondered if that had some part to play in his mental decline, but I’m no doctor.
I should have and I was going to but I think I forgot but thank you very much
@@PremoSaysThings This was such a well made video and you just earned another subscriber. Keep up the good work!
Still brings a tear😢
I just gotta say that intro was A1
Thank you
“the greatest betrayal in gaming history” excuse me sir general shepherd would like a word
Crazy how dutch doesn't even flinch when Micah kills miss Grimshaw
Great video
Thanks general!
what a great game this is. it’ll be a long time until amy game including rockstar’s comes remotely close to this writing.
So true. I hope we get to see how Dutch formed the gang some day
Why tf young Dutch looks like Lord Farquaad 💀
Lmfao tru
Dutch in Arthurs final momenta realised what he did He may have always been a bad guy and a liar but be loved Arthur Micah being what Arthur always was till his sickness clouded Dutch s mind But right there at the very end he sees his mistake The man he loved and that loved him Lying there at the hands of death But when faced with his actions again(Micah)he runs He s a coward Always was Making others do his dirty things Dutch is amazing but at the same time a very very weak man Who had a powerful gun in his hand
just finished this game and i hate him with a passion, can't help it. great video btw!
This video brung me to tears 😢
Thanks for the comment 😌🤧
if i see what dutch see.. maybe i think like him.. by the way.. i think it more than 1 rat.. maybe it 3 rat.. micah who we know.. than 1 like abigail rat from begin until pinkerton catch john so i think abigail want cut loose with pinkerton.. seem pinkerton dont care anything about deal..why some people think abigail is coz some event when she want arthur take jack to fishing.. maybe its a deal her make with pinkerton that their can convince arthur to break or catch dutch.. for the 3rd rats is just i think.. and what dutch think.. is a john.. why i think john is 3rats coz.. when we enter the last scene in 3 level in rhodes.. 2 egent pinkerton arrive.. egent milton and ross.. and he recognise all van derlinde gang unless john.. then milton ask and john say something quite fishy.. that his name " rip van winkle" ... what isee its like a code to tell milton that he is a mole rats, and you can see what milton say.. and that rip van winkle like R.I.P Van delinder and winkle is just eye wink.. john even has gone for so long time.. like a year.. maybe he get catch with pinkerton or other agencies.. seem agent milton know about that code just milton nit know who is a mole rat.. so when john intro himself with code. milton not reply with sarcasm.. but likely like "oh it you" with other style.. if true john abigail is rat. i dont blame they.. coz their just want out and live with their family.. but before the gang break.. it seem imposible.. coz they know dutch other member will kill them all.. see what happen when uncle and pearson left.. i think if not because situation is hot.. maybe dutch will send other to catch uncle and pearson.. that some what i think.. and sorry for my bad grammar
Dutch 1899 : I didn't have a choice.
Dutch 1911: There's always a choice!
It killed me when Arthur said I gave you everything I had because he truly did but Micah was the snitch and talking too the Pinkertons the whole time he is the reason why a lot of them got killed
whats the song called from the first couple of seconds?
I have always thought Dutch saying "why didn't you take it" to Arthur when Arthur mentions Milton down at the river offered to let Arthur go if Dutch was turned in was Dutch being selfless and standing up for the gang. But no. It was because Dutch had been assuming Arthur would betray him since the start of the game. Just listen to dialogues in camp in chapter 2. Dutch says multiple times how he thinks Arthur is trying to pull something or how he will betray him someday. Dutch has been insane the whole time.
I love the story but the one thing that bothers me so much is how obvious Micah is as a rat but everyone seems too dumb to notice. It’s too much of a stretch for me sometimes. His character or at least the way others follow him is not believable to me. It pulls me out of the narrative at times
I agree but Dutch didn’t see it and what he says goes. Micah was always telling Dutch what he wanted to hear and inflating his ego.
I never really got into the story. I just didn't like it. I guess for it to be a good story you would have to have some trust in both Dutch and Micah, but that never happened for me. Whenever dutch did something despicable, I was like "yeah no shit." I also didn't see Micah as a trustworthy companion, just some highly unstable guy. Most of the time I was just questioning why everybody followed along. Neither of them in my eyes were deserving of atleast some trust. So I didn't really see anything as a betrayal, just exactly what they would do.
I really started to not like Dutch as soon as chapter 2. What did he actually do all day but lounge around and read? Even old man Hosea stood guard. Dutch has a god complex, his ego comes before everything. He often reminded me of a classic charisma ridden cult leader. Trying so hard to pass himself as authentic when he plans his speeches. Putting his wants (revenge) over the camps needs (safety). All it took for him to let the mask down was a rat he knew for a few months to stroke his ego. Everyone disliked and saw through Micah except Dutch. Arthur needed time to lie low in warm dry air. That was going to be his best bet against TB. But following his diagnosis he doesn’t get a minute of rest.
Dutch thinks loyalty goes one way. As long as he’s receiving blind allegiance, it’s all good. The thought of returning that loyalty to the people he thinks are below him is insulting to him. Arthur, who Dutch groomed since childhood into his workhorse, is dropped soon after he starts questioning anything.
“Your following the wrong Star”
Please, what's the name of the soundtrack played the first 10 seconds ? been looking for it for a week now.
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Prologue fight theme
just like sadie said the dutch that put a blinket over me and told me everything was going to be okay was not the same dutch at beavers hope the biggist influence in dutchs behavior i think was micha talking into his year and all the death theyve been through espetially hoseah
instantly started thinking of gta san andreas thinking of dutch as the "Big Smoke" of the series
Harvesting mangoes ❤
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i thinka rthur starting to question arthur hurt his ego and thats why he started to not trust him
The first game I’ve cried about
rdr 3 has so much potential in it, just of the info we get in rdr 2 about blackwater and things like this