Rains Fall’s story is super similar Dutch’s. Dutch lost his gang, Annabelle, his best friend for 20 years (hosea), his 2 best sons (Arthur and John), all this while being corrupted by Micah, and his mind. Very similar to Rains fall. Maybe this also shows that Dutch was a good person until Micah
I love how John always share with everyone that Arthur saved his life. Just like he wanted people to think good of him after his death, and show to them that he was a good man.
and you can even tell that he's saying it like he's been holding it in for years. he has no one he can really vent to about how much arthur meant to him until he talks to these people again. super good voice direction and acting.
Actually that's what makes me most sad... That arthur died alone, that Dutch didn't have his back and that nobody out of the Gann really cares that he is dead... Like strangers are sorry and all that and the gang doesn't even care
The gang members knew Arthur, they knew towards the end he wasn’t well, no matter how much he denied it. They knew of a bullet didn’t kill him, TB would. Total strangers didn’t though, they saw a man who took the time of day to talk with them, help them.
God_complex Yeah true but Arthur was basically equal to Dutch with how much work he did. He was Dutch’s son. Arthur was basically second in command besides hosea. So you would think people would be more regretful that Arthur died he was always nice to everyone too at least in my first play through.
Playing RDR1 really feels different. I know Arthur wasn’t written as a character till well after the game came out, but imagining John riding through the countryside, thinking of him before his every action really brings a tear to my eye. Never thought I could love a character more than John, until Arthur came along. Well done Rockstar, well done.
If this rdr1 remake is true I’d love to see what they did in the epilogue with Arthur and John. When you play as John the fact you can hear Arthur sometimes while playing shows that John is forever grateful for his sacrifice even though he got a bit cocky and fucked everything up. I think throughout the remake they should add in Arthur’s lines. For instance, before john says to Abigail and Jack to run and don’t look back in the barn, he thinks for a second. I think that there would be a perfect place to but an Arthur Morgan line of when he said the exact same thing to john in Arthur’s final mission
@@Huron47people for some reason think Arthur would've been on John's mind 24/7 after he died, despite RDR1 taking place more than a decade after Arthur's death. really, I think the only real action influenced by Arthur would've been his sacrifice at the end of the game, where he even retroactively quotes Arthur.
Mr Silver well only certain people, but think about it how many women has he widowed and how many children did he orphan? not the best morally correct character but still my favorite character ever, even cried at his death scene
James St.Patrick Yeah, that’s what made him amazing. His whole life he wasn’t a good man, but at the end he tried to do his best to help those who needed it. He was a complex human being, with emotions that ran deep.
James St.Patrick Arthur was always a good man at heart. You could tell by the letters Mary sent him. He was conflicted between being loyal to his family (The Gang) and Eliza. A good man in a bad world. In the end I believe he died as the man he always was, after he realised where his loyalty should lay.
Redemption is the game's title as well as a central theme, perhaps the most important one. We should all aspire to do the same before leaving for the realm of the dead, even if it's just improving one single person's life.
James St.Patrick That’s on player input though, which makes me question how you played the game to know this, but to each their own. His only time off-screen was when he lost his only child and wife. He talks about this with Rains Fall.
Hamish is my personal favorite person to visit as John.. he shows off Arthur’s trophies in a way you’d hear a parent show off their kids accomplishments. Rockstar did such a phenomenal job turning Arthur into like an atmosphere during the end of the game.
Doing last Hamish' mission as John is the best way to do it in my opinion. Not only you get this awesome cutscene where Hamish talks about Arthur but you also get to ride Buell much longer than you would as Arthur.
It was really sad to see how they had all gone about their own lives and separate ways... reminded me of all my childhood friends i was close with until high school
Thinking on it, Arthur was really the only one that regularly had interactions with everyone in camp. John probably kept to his own, so those like Tilly, Pearson, and Mary-Beth probably never really had a relationship with John besides being in the same gang.
And that's what we call a "legacy" Arthur was a man greater than life itself, and that's why he is a greater protagonist than John, as far as I'm concerned as well (and Iove me some Red Dead 1)
I think it's beautiful how quick John is to talk about Arthur in this game. Like, any chance he's given he tells people that Arthur gave his life to save Johns, like he's trying to hold onto and preserve the memory of Arthur, and that's just such a wonderful addition to his character. And rightly so, as he said, Arthur was his brother, and he's doing all he can to keep his memory alive
@@Ufifid-r8o and thats why this story makes even less sense. the only thing from rdr2 that makes sense, is the strange man talking about heidi in rdr1 that john forgot her face. never once was there any reference to arthur because indeed he did not exist. so this story is complete bullshit. fact. and you just explained why.
@@deathrager2404well why would John want to keep talking about Arthur in RDR1 when he’s already told the people he knows about what Arthur did for him, it would make no sense if John rambled about Arthur to some random guy that has no idea who Arthur is which probably meant he possibly forgot about Arthur which then leads to the top hat man saying “you’ve forgotten more important people then me”
@Erebus it's not called the bad ending officially, it's referred to as the low honour ending. People say it's the bad ending but it actually makes the most sense if you fully understand the characters and take the games main themes into consideration.
Erebus To be frank, the “good ending” doesn’t make sense. I don’t think Micah would just leave Arthur to die like that. Considering how jealous and pissed he was at him, it makes the most sense for him to shoot him out of spite. That and the whole vengeance Arc with John also makes no sense if Micah just left him there. You can argue that Arthur died because of the fight, but the Turbuculosis would not have let him live much longer regardless. So yeah, bad ending is best ending
UltraShiko what? it does make sense because Micah betrays the group and gets Lenny and Hosea killed. Idk what you’re on but having Arthur die a peaceful death trying to save John is much better than you making Arthur die out of greed, getting his brains blown out and then spat on. But I guess you’re just upset you got the bad ending, I’d prolly lie to myself if I got a shitty ending like that too, lmao thank god I didn’t.
@@JoaoS13 It's strange, with this video I just figured out that there was something interesting to see there but when I went there with John a few weeks ago, there was only the widow's corpse laying on her floor and I could only carry her body 🤔 I probably visited her too late because it was right before the last missions before the end of the game, and she starved I guess, and then I found an interesting easter egg :)
No my bad, I checked on Internet and I found her dead because I only visited her once with Arthur while I could have visited her two times... So I can only find her dead with John in that case... It's crazy how every detail of the game has already been discovered 🤩
@@no_wa_yy2175 this game is a masterpiece. Poor Charlotte, you should replay it to do her missions, with Arthur. Great interactions and dialogues.. I wish they were in a romantic relation so badly
Arthur's interactions with Charlotte Balfour always moved me the most. t was pure altruism: nothing transactional, no guilt driving the narrative, no gameplay boost, just scenes showing us the goodness of the character in his final days. And John's interaction honors that purity and simplicity. It's my favorite part of the game.
It's quite unexpected that some of the best characters in this game are only in those optional missions. We don't even have to do Charlotte's missions but when we do, oh damn, they are awesome and give Arthur a bit of closure. It's the same with sister Calderon. Those who do not finish her missions, do not get this emotional scene when Arthur talks about being afraid of dying.
@@MTGnEWbie420 You have to periodically check in on her and have Arthur teach her how to use guns and skin animals ect like a normal stranger mission chain but if you wait too long she dies.
Pearson: This is my store! Marston: Really?! Pearson: Yes, how can I help you, sir? Marston: *Puts on Bandana and grabs revolver* Pearson: *chuckles* Same old Marston.
Rains Fall’s response really hit me the first time. Arthur’s death felt like losing a friend, but he’s hardly mentioned after his death. Seeing Rains Fall brought it back.
Mary-Beth is one of the most wholesome encounters John has. The others all sound a bit awkward and strange, while she immediately brightens up as soon as she recognises John
It's so heartbreaking when John almost tells everyone that Arthur saved his life before he passed. He's carrying all that sadness about Arthur on his shoulder and he tries to make EVERYONE remember Arthur as a good man by telling them the last good thing he did. R.I.P Arthur Morgan
I’ve noticed that strangers talk about Arthur more fondly than the gang. People forget, the gang saw the worst of Arthur and only a glimpse of the man he was trying to be at the end. The strangers saw more of the good man. In the end, the former members just want to move on, which is why they all seem quick to leave the reunion. “This sure has brought all the memories flooding back, not all of them good” encompasses it completely and perfectly.
I like how the gang weren't really affected by Arthurs death, but instead the strangers were the ones who thought highly of him. He went out of his way to help someone for probably no payment whatsoever and thought nothing of it. He affected someone's life for the better and that's what makes him memorable.
Yep, they knew very well what a bloody rasping cough meant in this time-frame. Nobody grew up to adulthood without knowing of someone who died of TB in the 1800s.
bruh its a game. every interaction is carefully crafted to illicit certain emotional responses. None of these people are real. Please go outside and touch grass if you cannot differentiate reality from fiction.
I love how Charlotte started off as someone who litterally lost everything and looked like the wanted to end it all, but then with the help of Arthur she looks like she owns a trapper
I love how Biden started of as someone who literally lost everything and then with the help of trump he became a very successful person and then he just betrays trump
I hate unhappy endings but Arthur’s ending on high honour left me super satisfied, Arthur died a good man protecting the people he loves and fighting to stop the man who backstabbed all of them
When I first got to free roam as John in RDR2, I damn near cried. Not because I dislike him, but because the absence of Arthur's warm presence, and his occasional "Your alright Boay" to his horse left me feeling empty inside...
It's still hard to redo the story mode each time...And Playing as John or after the epilogue is finished and you spawn back at Beecher's Hope a sad wave overwhelms you as you think "now, what the hell do I do now?" The game is empty afterwards...Sad, but still the best game ever made.
@@wowjustwow2874 Am pretty sure he means as an in-game way of explaining why Arthur isn't mentioned once in RDR1. Obviously is because they didn't know it would be such a hit lmao.
Yeah like: Arthur: the popular kid John: the impopular who became popular: Micah: the annoying kid Dutch: the worst teacher All gang members: the other classmates
@@varelux3549 Javier: the exchange student Bill: the bully who stayed a bully Mary-Beth: the sweet, beautiful girl who achieved her dreams Pearson: the one who became a businessman Tilly: the one who settled down
@@KEETID yes complete all Hamish quests as Arthur except the last one where you go to hunt a wild pig. Do the last one as John and they will both talk about Arthur. Also John will get Buell.
@@j.4354 notice how I didn't speak highly of myself. Instead I said, I want my memory to be remembered fondly. In essence I'm saying I hope I do good by people to the point that they can remember good things rather than feel I'll and cheated. Neither of which is speaking highly of myself or wanting attention.
@@ianhines2302 that’s kinda why I don’t like the “morality” system in rdr. It’s not really good or bad but more of a sliding scale from jerk to monster
Rains Falls must be the saddest one here. He remembers Arthur, but he's too lost with the death of Eagle Flies. He went back to the U.S. in hopes he'll find his son again and the nail in the coffin is the credits scene where you will see him in the rain watching an eagle fly overhead. They are both victims of Dutch and what he pretended to fight.
John, finally finds Micah. Gets there to take revenge. Dutch: Comes out of the house. Micah and Dutch both: oh I'm sorry we have to go our train has come.
@@Mae2988 Big Smoke arrives on a Sanchez and picks up John to follow the damn train but lets John shoot, since Smoke has the accuracy of a blind snail in coma
I find it very funny that since the collapse of the gang and separation from Dutch, the lives of the surviving members have improved vastly by just integrating with society, which is the exact opposite of Dutch’s plan.
@@alpacawithouthat987 the problem is, most of them felt like there wasn’t a way out. Eventually someone would recognize a face, or the government would come looking
@@alpacawithouthat987 They could have lived off of the land, they never needed money. Dutch could have bided his time for a few months before moving on either with another take or by disappearing forever.
seriously it pissed me off, such a great person honestly beyond words. The creators could've made the gang members less composed after learning of his death.
@@TekMex666 it took John a while to get to Arthur's level. But they were very similar in a lot of ways. It happens. Same with me and an old friend of mine. Couldn't understand him till years later I went through the same shit.
@@TekMex666 age and naivety. Marston's a completely different person by the time he gets to the first red dead redemption. Mature and just done with the gang life. He matured. Fuck agent Ross
@Ba Ba no bro it's definitely from a guy who drew cats to cope with his schizophrenia (?) And then they turned into strange shapes that nearly resembled cats
1:27 Looks almost near identical to what I had my Arthur look like. And it just makes that “Havent I met you before line?” By rain falls a lot stronger
Me: “lets see how many people Arthur can kill from the rooftops of San Denis.” Charles in the epilogue: “He was not a good man” Me: 😦 “how could you say that”
I always had Arthur grow out his hair, and gave him a beard, but not too long. So it’s amazing how when John stood in the light, talking to Rain Falls, you couldn’t really see his face, but his Entire Outline was Arthur, especially with the hat.
Funny how Tilly, Mary-Beth, Rains Fall all leave on train like they are moving on with the world and accepting their new path while john stays saying goodbye :( (Pearson has a shop now so thats cool)
Honestly i feel like they would of likely forgotten he wore the hat, its been a long time since they last saw Arthur and after time sadly your memory of such things slips away for most people.
Arthur died at the highest point of the mountain with a beautiful view for his final moments, Micah died at the top of a mountain too, but faced down into nothing but cold snow, Dutch, died at the bottom of the mountain, with nowhere left to run. I don’t know if Rockstar had these deaths intentionally where they were with the message or if we just gave it meaning. I miss Arthor bro, people always complain about plot armor but the one time plot armor doesn’t protect our protagonist all the way, people are sad, crying even. Crazy huh?
I mean, it's ok for main characters to day, just look at Ezio. The probelm with Arthur's death is that it's a slow and descending death from the first moment of tb when Arthur realizes he's going to die soon and starts helping people to the moments when he dies alone, but having helped almost everyone and completely disregarded the money he thought so highly of in the start.
and what about John, what about his death, what does Rockstar meant us to interpret it? died protecting his family, embraced his final moments, thought it must end here, the final nail in the gangs coffin?
@@yashvardhansingh9285 i don’t know much about johns death but it was indeed the last for outlaws. well for that gang at least, john was the hammer used to strike that last nail in the coffin. Since john was used to find the other gang members
@@weeniehutjrs1305 apparently the hammer was discarded after its use was over John's was little too brutal, he was shot by dozens of men's and it was as brief as it was painful ( authurs was a gradual process we all knew his time was up)
It brings me to tears that you can see Arthur’s impact all over the map as john. The fact that you can find the people who he saved or just made their lives better when you play is such a great detail from rockstar. I don’t think gta 6 could ever beat rdr2. The way the game messes with your heartstrings and emotions so well is what makes this game so great. The fact that you get emotionally invested in peoples lives and your choices make people think differently of you was also such a great touch. Gta 6 will never beat this game
No point of playing with John ..... I miss Arthur’s voice ...especially with the horse “calm down girl “ “That’s my girl “ Everything seems pointless without Arthur
i feel the opposite. John is who I had first in the first Red Dead so it's refreshing to see what led up to his demise and the kind of person he was before everything. Arthur had a huge impact on his life.
I can't replay a game i can't change my character fate,my friends gonna die...Arthur gonna die. Play with John again was cool(100% on rdr1)but i can't change is fate as well and the tale is finished in my memory ,it's so sad.
"It would make me happy", Charlotte insisted. "Well alright then", John replied with a smile as he stepped inside. And once Charlotte was done reading for the day she went back in the house to warm herself by the fire, only to find it completely empty. The furniture, her underwear, the food, jewelry, even the motherfucking fireplace were all gone with the 'kind' stranger. "Well shit..."
I think Charlotte’s reaction to Arthur’s death was the best out of all of these. You can really see how much of a positive impact Arthur had on her and how fondly she thinks of him too if you decided to help her.
Maaaaaaaan... The Rains Fall encounter, always break my heart. Specially the line "My son i suppose, he felt" and always makes me feel angry about Dutch. He used Eagle Fly and his people, just to get what he wanted... Innocent people who just wanted to live in peace, but Dutch went there and made their situation worse
its not that they were innocent necessarily (definitely moreso than the gang, but they did resort to thievery and guerilla warfare against the army), but Dutch making their whole situation worse and manipulating them is 100percent true
I honestly hate dutch at the end of the game more than Micah, Micah was a rat but dutch was Arthur and John's friend/father for 15 years or so and he threw it away and left John and Arthur for dead (also during the mission where egale flys dies)
"Any friend of Arthur's is a friend of mine." I love that there are so many people in the world of Red Dead that share this mindset. Rains Fall is heartbreaking though, just the way he so gleefully tells John that his people are still around, up in Canada with better luck, but then when John asks why he's here instead... the way the camera zooms out slightly, the way Rains Fall pauses, before so brokenly muttering, "I don't know... my son, I suppose."
Anything resembling respect I had remaining for Dutch died when he ruined their tribe for no other reason than he thought it was opportune at the time.
For some reason, I've always read this scene as Rains Fall showing signs of early stages of dementia or Alzheimer's (which apparently has a high rate in indigenous populations). It just compounds the tragedy of chapter 6 because the people who should be there to look after him and the tribe in his old age (i.e. Eagle Flies and the other boys) aren't.
The scene where rain falls try’s to stop his tribe from attacking is one of the most heart-wrenching moments in the game. Idk but there was something about rain falls that made me really like him.
I honestly prefer it, but John has also been my favorite video game character of all time ever since RDR 1. Throughout the entire game, I had wished to play as him. I just wish Arthur didn't have to die for it to happen.
@@wwfgewrghewgwe I wouldnt say it was for nothing. John lived for another 12 or so years happily with his family. If it weren't for Arthur, he could have died or been arrested in 1899.
Well Rockstar could make the game more nastier, there will be a second option while youre in the public bath. 1st one is to “accept the help of those hotels babe”, the 2nd one is right before finishing the bath, “is to further the conversation in a room (you know what i mean)”. My God, with that RDR2 will be one of the rarest game ever.
I think rains fall has the first stages of alzheimerz, he didn't really know what he was doing and seems confused when he talks about his tribe and his son
That exchange is funny to me. The homeless dude gets deep with “Ive been standing here since 1870 and I’m slowly starving to death” and it’s like John tries to be even more depressing with something like “Yeah that was Arthur. He died but he saved my life before he died BECAUSE HE DIED”
Arthur was the Best character of video game history. He had such depth and complexity that his death Always brings tears, yet his entire life Can be described in one sentence. *”Oh, Arthur.”*
Pranab Roy Right? It sounded like she was less than interested in anything John had to say anyways. I mean I may be reading too much into a video game character but it REEALLLY sounded like she didn’t give a shit and just wanted to talk about how great her life is now.
@@thiccnazty2152 I mean it's been nearly a decade since the gang split apart. At some point past events aren't all that important anymore, especially bad past events. She put the life behind her and found one she likes much more.
1:26 I don't know if it was intentional in the cutscene or just by sheer coincidence of the time of day, but I like how the sun in the background sort of blurs out John's facial features, and even alters them to somewhat make him look similar and even AS Arthur. It enforces that feeling that even when Arthur is gone, his influence in the world and on other people will always be present within their memories.
@@minor7805 I am a girl and have never seen Titanic, but i cried because of Infinity War, i cried because of Endgame and i cried because of Red dead Redemption and i am damn proud of it :D
"He passed away, long time ago." What hurts me is that all of them have gotten over it already since it was 8 years later. But for us, it JUST happened a few moments ago. R* probably didn't want to mention Arthur during the epilogue that much be they know we'd break down.
And also they didn't mention Arthur very much it's because the storyline purposes. When RDR1 Is on development. Arthur Morgan didn't exist. Until like few years later when they start working the script for RDR2. They don't mention Arthur to much at Epilogue its because they trying to atleast cover the plot hole as much as they can. And also Arthur keep saying _"If the times come. Do not look back"_ to John he's trying to say "Do not look at the past" Because he know it would be painfull to remember.
The sad thing is if it weren’t for Arthur almost the whole Van der Linde gang would be dead, he helped and saved so many people, and it doesn’t even seem like the people he saved were sad about his death
They would've already prepared. They knew arthur had tb and would die from a bullet or from tb so they were already sad beforehand. Whilst the strangers had no idea thus making them sadder since they thought it was just a healthy man helping out
@@x3woots hm yes because they "saw it coming" can be used as an excuse for an almost emotionless reaction. ESPECIALLY when they'd be long dead without him
@@omhh1986 Are you dumb? They had a headstart at processing the inevitable demise of Arthur, of course they're gonna be more okay with it. Time heals most wounds.
lets all just take a moment to appreciate that arthur has affected the world of rdr more than leviticus, micah, dutch, milton, colm and the strange man ever could.
GrowlingTummy someone said that the reason he was found by Ross was his revenge mission on Micah. Cleet’s public execution, Arthur did tell John to never look back and he did also say that “vengeance is an idiot’s game”
The Dark Wolf yeah that makes sense. In the credits you can see Ross and Archer follow the trail of clues starting with Micah’s corpse which eventually led them to Beecher’s Hope. Ironically, the one big thing John did to honor Arthur’s memory undid what Arthur died for (to save the Marstons and give them a good life)
says 101 Ross: “Everyone eventually pays for what they have done, Mr. Marston. Good job with finishing Mr. Bell up on that mountain, but Archer and I aren’t leaving you alone until you get the other three of your former associates.” *Arthur looking down from Heaven:* “Marston you goddamned fool...”
@@Growlingtummy2 I've been debating on this though: Dutch had also planned to kill Micah, in case we can really believe his words. I guess that way even if John didn't go after micah, agent Ross might have found him nonetheless through the body and with John living so close to blackwater and using his real name when taking the loan
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Arthur on his death bed
"OK I'll catch you later then"
DON’T MAKE ME CRY!!!
“Sure”
@@dorchevsky2556 Aight, better get back to it.
J-Cutta he died on a mountain ya dummy
That’s his Beth quote
Rain Falls lowkey lost the most - his tribe, his land, his only son. 8 yrs later, apparently in the process of losing his mind. :(
he lost 2 sons
And his wife
@@bambangdika1905 While singing:
_and later on his life!_
I mean hopefully his tribe actually made it to Canada, and he’s not just deluded and crazy due to his loss.
Rains Fall’s story is super similar Dutch’s. Dutch lost his gang, Annabelle, his best friend for 20 years (hosea), his 2 best sons (Arthur and John), all this while being corrupted by Micah, and his mind. Very similar to Rains fall. Maybe this also shows that Dutch was a good person until Micah
Gang Member “JOHN”
John “oh h...”
Gang Member 🚂🏃♂️
Bruh why is that so true
😂😂😂
Luke-Tyler Harington oh I can’t stop laughing now 😂
ngl ive never laughed so hard at a youtube comment
Luke-Tyler Harington it’s because otherwise they’d probably talk forever
I love how John always share with everyone that Arthur saved his life. Just like he wanted people to think good of him after his death, and show to them that he was a good man.
"I don't talk about him much"
@@yomtovsharabi He doesn't mean it.
@@yomtovsharabi”but I think about him all of the time.”
and you can even tell that he's saying it like he's been holding it in for years. he has no one he can really vent to about how much arthur meant to him until he talks to these people again. super good voice direction and acting.
And he never fails to talk about how he has a house at beachers hope
Old gang member: “OMG JOHN I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD”
John:Hey-
Old gang member: “WELP MY TRAINS HERE”
Lumbago
John: Hey Mister-
Gang Member: *MY TRAIN!!!*
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Lmao
@@caydenbartel7208 ikr
Complete Strangers: "Arthur was a good man, and it's because of him we've gotten this far."
Gang Members: "He's dead? Shame. Anyways gotta go."
Lol its so true and fucking sad...
Actually that's what makes me most sad... That arthur died alone, that Dutch didn't have his back and that nobody out of the Gann really cares that he is dead... Like strangers are sorry and all that and the gang doesn't even care
The gang members knew Arthur, they knew towards the end he wasn’t well, no matter how much he denied it. They knew of a bullet didn’t kill him, TB would. Total strangers didn’t though, they saw a man who took the time of day to talk with them, help them.
U guys just dont get that it was a brutal Gang.
They werent raised with love and all, they all knew if someone dies, he dies.
God_complex Yeah true but Arthur was basically equal to Dutch with how much work he did. He was Dutch’s son. Arthur was basically second in command besides hosea. So you would think people would be more regretful that Arthur died he was always nice to everyone too at least in my first play through.
I love how Rains Fall deeply respects Arthur, I think he might be my favorite side character in this game.
Yeah same, he was the one to help Arthur realise things and earn his redemption.
Pugpolice the mission where you ride with Rains Fall through the mountains to collect the herbs was so sad tbh, but I loved it.
It really shows how badly his culture is treated
Same here :(
Yeah he's my favourite character in the game that's not in the gang.
Playing RDR1 really feels different. I know Arthur wasn’t written as a character till well after the game came out, but imagining John riding through the countryside, thinking of him before his every action really brings a tear to my eye. Never thought I could love a character more than John, until Arthur came along. Well done Rockstar, well done.
Exactly
If this rdr1 remake is true I’d love to see what they did in the epilogue with Arthur and John. When you play as John the fact you can hear Arthur sometimes while playing shows that John is forever grateful for his sacrifice even though he got a bit cocky and fucked everything up. I think throughout the remake they should add in Arthur’s lines. For instance, before john says to Abigail and Jack to run and don’t look back in the barn, he thinks for a second. I think that there would be a perfect place to but an Arthur Morgan line of when he said the exact same thing to john in Arthur’s final mission
Why would john think of arthur before his every action ?
@@Huron47people for some reason think Arthur would've been on John's mind 24/7 after he died, despite RDR1 taking place more than a decade after Arthur's death. really, I think the only real action influenced by Arthur would've been his sacrifice at the end of the game, where he even retroactively quotes Arthur.
I’m pretty sure Arthur was a concept that rockstar always had even when they wrote rdr1
I love how Arthur ended up being such a positive force in people's lives.
Mr Silver well only certain people, but think about it how many women has he widowed and how many children did he orphan? not the best morally correct character but still my favorite character ever, even cried at his death scene
James St.Patrick Yeah, that’s what made him amazing. His whole life he wasn’t a good man, but at the end he tried to do his best to help those who needed it. He was a complex human being, with emotions that ran deep.
James St.Patrick Arthur was always a good man at heart. You could tell by the letters Mary sent him. He was conflicted between being loyal to his family (The Gang) and Eliza. A good man in a bad world. In the end I believe he died as the man he always was, after he realised where his loyalty should lay.
Redemption is the game's title as well as a central theme, perhaps the most important one.
We should all aspire to do the same before leaving for the realm of the dead, even if it's just improving one single person's life.
James St.Patrick
That’s on player input though, which makes me question how you played the game to know this, but to each their own.
His only time off-screen was when he lost his only child and wife. He talks about this with Rains Fall.
"Oh hey you're alive"
"Arthur saved me and died"
"Here's my train bye"
That's what made it heartbreaking. Life goes on.
your picture goes with exactly how i would imagine johns face would be after that
That's life
It kinda symbolizes something. Trains were a frequent robbing spot for the gang, and now trains are what separate them apart.
Which one was that
I wish there was a scene where jack, John and Abigail came and placed flowers at Arthur’s grave.
TCL Gaming oh boah would rains fall from my eyes.
Cayden O’Brien yeah
And Sadie and Charles coming with them. Maybe Uncle too.
There is a scene were you complete the game in 100%, that John say we did’t in front of Arthur’s grave.
For real like he saved all their lifes and yet they dont do anything thats sad
Hamish is my personal favorite person to visit as John.. he shows off Arthur’s trophies in a way you’d hear a parent show off their kids accomplishments. Rockstar did such a phenomenal job turning Arthur into like an atmosphere during the end of the game.
isn't hamish dead if you complete his side mission?
@@gorgistanojevik3196 if you don’t complete all the missions he’ll still be alive and you can finish the rest of them as john
i regret finishing all of Hamish's side missions. He was my favorite.
Doing last Hamish' mission as John is the best way to do it in my opinion. Not only you get this awesome cutscene where Hamish talks about Arthur but you also get to ride Buell much longer than you would as Arthur.
Good to know ill try that next playthrough @GhoulyKing
Mannnn
That scene with Rains Fall really hit me. Seemed as if he was in the beginning stages of dementia and it really bummed me out 😢
That's what I thought to! It was a man who had lost his way so deeply that he couldn't figure out fully why he returned
*where everyone cried
To be honest my initial thought was he was travelling down there to die or end his life
narc
WHY DID YOU SAY THHHAAATTTTTTTTTTTTT WWAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
Bruh i am depressed *now*
*Train runs through Pearson's shop*
Pearson: Well my trains here, See ya John
John: -_-
Thought it was funny they all had trains or trolleys and couldn’t talk.
It was really sad to see how they had all gone about their own lives and separate ways... reminded me of all my childhood friends i was close with until high school
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CONGRATULATIONS u r 1 of very few people that made a comment that made me laugh in2 tears well dun sir!
Thinking on it, Arthur was really the only one that regularly had interactions with everyone in camp. John probably kept to his own, so those like Tilly, Pearson, and Mary-Beth probably never really had a relationship with John besides being in the same gang.
It’s incredible how you can still feel Arthur’s presence in the world long after he has passed away.
Rockstar did an amazing job. You could tell that they wanted it to be perfect even when you finish the main story line.
That’s another realistic factor in this game
Shit you are making me emotional again
And that's what we call a "legacy"
Arthur was a man greater than life itself, and that's why he is a greater protagonist than John, as far as I'm concerned as well (and Iove me some Red Dead 1)
Literally, you can find his reincarnated animal near his grave
I think it's beautiful how quick John is to talk about Arthur in this game. Like, any chance he's given he tells people that Arthur gave his life to save Johns, like he's trying to hold onto and preserve the memory of Arthur, and that's just such a wonderful addition to his character. And rightly so, as he said, Arthur was his brother, and he's doing all he can to keep his memory alive
but he didnt wanna do that in rdr1. lmao terrible writing.
No
@@deathrager2404arthur didn't even exist in rdr1
@@Ufifid-r8o and thats why this story makes even less sense. the only thing from rdr2 that makes sense, is the strange man talking about heidi in rdr1 that john forgot her face. never once was there any reference to arthur because indeed he did not exist. so this story is complete bullshit. fact. and you just explained why.
@@deathrager2404well why would John want to keep talking about Arthur in RDR1 when he’s already told the people he knows about what Arthur did for him, it would make no sense if John rambled about Arthur to some random guy that has no idea who Arthur is which probably meant he possibly forgot about Arthur which then leads to the top hat man saying “you’ve forgotten more important people then me”
Arthur when he gets to heaven:”kicks down door”
Arthur:LENNY!!!!
IVIONSTERZZ _ TAHITI
IVIONSTERZZ _ HAHAAA FOUND YOU LENNY!
Arthur to God: THERE YA ARE LENNY!
God: ...dafuq?
This joke is so shit
Sorry I didn't end the game but how tf did lenny die
The fact that Micah has to say “you’re not better than me Morgan” is proof that he knows he’ll never be as good as Arthur
On the low honor ending yeah...
Ghost that’s the best ending.
@Erebus it's not called the bad ending officially, it's referred to as the low honour ending. People say it's the bad ending but it actually makes the most sense if you fully understand the characters and take the games main themes into consideration.
Erebus To be frank, the “good ending” doesn’t make sense.
I don’t think Micah would just leave Arthur to die like that. Considering how jealous and pissed he was at him, it makes the most sense for him to shoot him out of spite.
That and the whole vengeance Arc with John also makes no sense if Micah just left him there. You can argue that Arthur died because of the fight, but the Turbuculosis would not have let him live much longer regardless.
So yeah, bad ending is best ending
UltraShiko what? it does make sense because Micah betrays the group and gets Lenny and Hosea killed. Idk what you’re on but having Arthur die a peaceful death trying to save John is much better than you making Arthur die out of greed, getting his brains blown out and then spat on.
But I guess you’re just upset you got the bad ending, I’d prolly lie to myself if I got a shitty ending like that too, lmao thank god I didn’t.
"any friend of arthur is a friend of mine"
such a heartbreaking
who was that lady?? is that a widow he once saved??
@@AshokKumar-wt6gs yes, that's charlotte. Can find her at willards rest
@@JoaoS13 It's strange, with this video I just figured out that there was something interesting to see there but when I went there with John a few weeks ago, there was only the widow's corpse laying on her floor and I could only carry her body 🤔 I probably visited her too late because it was right before the last missions before the end of the game, and she starved I guess, and then I found an interesting easter egg :)
No my bad, I checked on Internet and I found her dead because I only visited her once with Arthur while I could have visited her two times... So I can only find her dead with John in that case... It's crazy how every detail of the game has already been discovered 🤩
@@no_wa_yy2175 this game is a masterpiece. Poor Charlotte, you should replay it to do her missions, with Arthur. Great interactions and dialogues.. I wish they were in a romantic relation so badly
Arthur's interactions with Charlotte Balfour always moved me the most. t was pure altruism: nothing transactional, no guilt driving the narrative, no gameplay boost, just scenes showing us the goodness of the character in his final days. And John's interaction honors that purity and simplicity. It's my favorite part of the game.
It's quite unexpected that some of the best characters in this game are only in those optional missions. We don't even have to do Charlotte's missions but when we do, oh damn, they are awesome and give Arthur a bit of closure. It's the same with sister Calderon. Those who do not finish her missions, do not get this emotional scene when Arthur talks about being afraid of dying.
First play through and I accidentally shot her in the back trying to test if it would work
i only finished her first quest as arthur... and when i went there as john. she was dead on the floor
@@MTGnEWbie420 You have to periodically check in on her and have Arthur teach her how to use guns and skin animals ect like a normal stranger mission chain but if you wait too long she dies.
Pearson: This is my store!
Marston: Really?!
Pearson: Yes, how can I help you, sir?
Marston: *Puts on Bandana and grabs revolver*
Pearson: *chuckles* Same old Marston.
Now I wonder what happens when you try to rob him
Ey yo bruv why yu got me face
😅
Tell me why I was expecting to read
"*Chuckles* I'm in Danger!" 😂
For me he said like, "i bet Abigail is proud of you" or something like that
Arthur actually won:
-He saved John's life
-He passed away but people will remember him
-He found lenny
Edit: Why so many likes.
And hosea 😞
Lenny was my favorite gang member other than Arthur and John
Also I FOUND YA LENNNNSNNANNNNYY
LEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNEYYY MY BOOOOY
Am I the only one that likes Sean?
The Rains Fall cutscene really breaks my heart. A kind and grandfatherly old man who lost everything and has a hole in his heart
It sounds like he has early dementia, too... He didn't even know where he was. So, so sad. ☹️
Thats what happened to the natives who owned this Country before the Europeans came and slaughtered everything from life´s to heritage.
Michael Edwards apparently being old and not remembering something means you’re delusional
@@ultragokui8699 How is saying you're in Canada, but then not knowing how or why you're still in American country not signs of dementia?
Evan Scabetta why you so mad ?
Rains Fall’s response really hit me the first time. Arthur’s death felt like losing a friend, but he’s hardly mentioned after his death. Seeing Rains Fall brought it back.
YEP AND ARTHUR WOULD VOTE FOR TRUMP
Fuck does trump have to do w this@@NigerianCrusader
@@NigerianCrusader He wouldn't vote for anyone you fool
@@NigerianCrusader shut up
@@NigerianCrusadermust you bring politics into this?
Mary-Beth is one of the most wholesome encounters John has. The others all sound a bit awkward and strange, while she immediately brightens up as soon as she recognises John
Along with Pearson
what about Tilly?
Mary Beth truly was the angel of the group with Hosea being the male counterpart
Same with Tilly and Pearson. I liked the Rains Fall encounter.
@Barry Allen fair enough ig
It's so heartbreaking when John almost tells everyone that Arthur saved his life before he passed. He's carrying all that sadness about Arthur on his shoulder and he tries to make EVERYONE remember Arthur as a good man by telling them the last good thing he did.
R.I.P Arthur Morgan
Finally a good comment instead of "OH ARTHUR IS DEAD. OK BYE"
RIP John Marston
I went for the money bro. Lmao
Hello there no he didn’t your game is shit
If you went for the money
Hell I still carry around the sadness of Arthur's death, shit hurts.
"Please take something. It'll make me happy."
I took a pack of cigarettes. Saving her life in the long run.
Tim Collins that deserves a like
She didn't know that, John didn't know that, but you knew it, and knew John only had a few years left after this, anyway.
I shot her
@@ambrosherrmann8322 You can? Lmao
@William Anderson Given that we know what happens to John at the end, he doesn't have to worry about getting lung cancer in 20 years.
I’ve noticed that strangers talk about Arthur more fondly than the gang. People forget, the gang saw the worst of Arthur and only a glimpse of the man he was trying to be at the end. The strangers saw more of the good man. In the end, the former members just want to move on, which is why they all seem quick to leave the reunion. “This sure has brought all the memories flooding back, not all of them good” encompasses it completely and perfectly.
YEP AND ARTHUR WOULD VOTE TRUMP AND YOU SHOULD TOO
@@NigerianCrusader OH MY GOSH WHO THE HELL CARES
@@ZachslittlepiggysEVERYBODY DOES
Well altleast they could say something more and where the hell does that goddamn train go?!
Thank you for having a 🧠 😭
John: *comes home to Abigail and Jack*
John: Hey-
Abigail and Jack: Sorry my train has come
*Train plows through house, trackless, just for them to get on and leave*
I've seen your comment had 499 likes, so I put one there too. Hope it makes you happy mate!
Big Smoke: Damn dem trains stealing hoes and friends!
*John sighs*
Ahh shit here we go again
*house building theme plays*
Luis Perez YAY!!
I like how the gang weren't really affected by Arthurs death, but instead the strangers were the ones who thought highly of him. He went out of his way to help someone for probably no payment whatsoever and thought nothing of it. He affected someone's life for the better and that's what makes him memorable.
The gang members already expected Arthur to be dead. They already passed thru it. They knew he was sick.
Yep, they knew very well what a bloody rasping cough meant in this time-frame. Nobody grew up to adulthood without knowing of someone who died of TB in the 1800s.
I mean a lot of em noticed that arthur had tb and they knew that if you have tb there's no getting out of it
bruh its a game. every interaction is carefully crafted to illicit certain emotional responses. None of these people are real. Please go outside and touch grass if you cannot differentiate reality from fiction.
Its a dangerous outlaw gang. Its their line of work. They are probably use to this type of stuff.
Gang Member: Welp my train's here, gotta go.
Ghost Arthur: IT'S ALWAYS ANOTHER GODDAMN TRAIN
Smoke :🙂
Dutch after dieng in rdr 1: HAVE SOME FAITH ARTHUR
CJ would say the same thing.
Arthur’s prolly Robbin the ghost train now
All we had to do was follow the damn train Arthur!
I love how Charlotte started off as someone who litterally lost everything and looked like the wanted to end it all, but then with the help of Arthur she looks like she owns a trapper
I love how Biden started of as someone who literally lost everything and then with the help of trump he became a very successful person and then he just betrays trump
Dude arthur was the perfect protagonist😭
I loved him
I hate unhappy endings but Arthur’s ending on high honour left me super satisfied, Arthur died a good man protecting the people he loves and fighting to stop the man who backstabbed all of them
Me too
OneRainz “I like you sir you have a kind face.”
Also Arthur: “Kind I’d like to punch!” 😂
Mr Critical meh I’d rather go out shooting like John did
@@miles1713 I mean if ain't for that damn tb that would be exactly how he go out on high hornor covering for john. Hell he might've even make it
“I saw a person a few years back and...”
“Yeah Arthur”
@@teacoffee42 good point
Hello Arthur
Just one more score
Arthur: DO NOT LOOK IN THAT GODDAMN JOURNAL MARSTON!
Yeah
When I first got to free roam as John in RDR2, I damn near cried. Not because I dislike him, but because the absence of Arthur's warm presence, and his occasional "Your alright Boay" to his horse left me feeling empty inside...
yeah same
Mine was a girl. He was very kind to his horse because it was his only horse.
yea Arthur was great.
i hate it with my whole body that he had to die
I stopped playing after Arthur's death
It's still hard to redo the story mode each time...And Playing as John or after the epilogue is finished and you spawn back at Beecher's Hope a sad wave overwhelms you as you think "now, what the hell do I do now?" The game is empty afterwards...Sad, but still the best game ever made.
09:51 "Any friend of Arthur's is a friend of mine". What a great line to show genuine respect for someone!
John: I don't talk about Arthur much.
*also john every time he sees an old gang member:* Arthur saved my life...
I think they said that to explain why Arthur isn’t mentioned in rdr1
@@donnie1774 and because they didn't plan this in the future
Well they did had arthur in mind around rdr1. Though it was probably a bit too close to the end product
*John meets the old gang*
Gang: "I have to go now, bye!"
@@wowjustwow2874 Am pretty sure he means as an in-game way of explaining why Arthur isn't mentioned once in RDR1. Obviously is because they didn't know it would be such a hit lmao.
This feels like seeing your childhood classmates years and years after finishing school
Yeah like:
Arthur: the popular kid
John: the impopular who became popular:
Micah: the annoying kid
Dutch: the worst teacher
All gang members: the other classmates
@@varelux3549
Javier: the exchange student
Bill: the bully who stayed a bully
Mary-Beth: the sweet, beautiful girl who achieved her dreams
Pearson: the one who became a businessman
Tilly: the one who settled down
@@RaphaelJohn lenny: the goner
@@RaphaelJohn Sean : class clown
Trelawny : The cool guy
Hosea : The quiet and the smartest kid
forgot the one and only
Reverend: the kid with pink highlighters in his nose and
Karen: the white girl with dirty pokeadot pajama pants
Complete stranger: “there was this guy I used to kno-“
John Marston: “Ahh yes Arther Morgan”
Remember john as the arthur book he wrote everything in this book so john read it maybe?
if you meet hamish as John he’s says he read Arthur’s notes and figured he’d tell him about Arthur’s death
@@ncrranger8449 So I can meet him as John only after I didn't finish his quest when he didn't die?
i don’t know I didn’t finish his quest as Arthur
@@KEETID yes complete all Hamish quests as Arthur except the last one where you go to hunt a wild pig. Do the last one as John and they will both talk about Arthur. Also John will get Buell.
I feel like Rains Fall is slowly having symptoms of dementia but he still managed to remember Arthur and John
When I die, I want my memory to be as fondly talked about as Arthur's.
@@no1bucketeer that's probably bout how it'd be too
I want people to remember me fondly and full of goodness - like Arthur - and not how they probably will: portly and riddled with uncle - like lumbago.
Unfortunately usa ain't such a small place anymore so I think it's impossible without being rich
So bever
@@j.4354 notice how I didn't speak highly of myself. Instead I said, I want my memory to be remembered fondly. In essence I'm saying I hope I do good by people to the point that they can remember good things rather than feel I'll and cheated. Neither of which is speaking highly of myself or wanting attention.
Arthur: *literally saves John's life*
John: hArD tO tElL wHaT hE wAs In ThE eNd
Arthur: Am I a joke to you?
@Bolshevik Breaker I've actually played with as much High Honor i could've gotten in RDR2. Got this cutscene and John said the same thing lol
Tbf Arthur did some horrible things in his life even if he was good in the end
@@ianhines2302 that’s kinda why I don’t like the “morality” system in rdr. It’s not really good or bad but more of a sliding scale from jerk to monster
They were all bad men, but Arthur was the only member to blur the line. He saved lives and kept his loyalty to the end
John: I've got a son-
Rains fall: wait, be right back, lemme pick some flowers real quick
violet is shady that is extremely hilarious because it’s true
U ain't even lying lmao I wanted to punch him in his shit for interrupting Arthur over them fuckin herbs 🤣😭😭😭💀💀💀
Official Prince Kane he tried to help Arthur with it
@@kyllojake1614 I know buddy.
after pick some flower
what did u say just now?????
Rains Falls must be the saddest one here. He remembers Arthur, but he's too lost with the death of Eagle Flies. He went back to the U.S. in hopes he'll find his son again and the nail in the coffin is the credits scene where you will see him in the rain watching an eagle fly overhead. They are both victims of Dutch and what he pretended to fight.
John, finally finds Micah. Gets there to take revenge.
Dutch: Comes out of the house.
Micah and Dutch both: oh I'm sorry we have to go our train has come.
@@Mae2988 Arthur from the Heavens: "There's always a goddamn train!"
@@shydreameress264 Dutch:this is the last i swear on everything
@@Mae2988 Big Smoke arrives on a Sanchez and picks up John to follow the damn train but lets John shoot, since Smoke has the accuracy of a blind snail in coma
big smoke : all you had to do was follow the damn train JM
My god I love the internet
I find it very funny that since the collapse of the gang and separation from Dutch, the lives of the surviving members have improved vastly by just integrating with society, which is the exact opposite of Dutch’s plan.
That is why I was always annoyed with them because they could’ve stopped being outlaws at any point but kept murdering and stealing
Dutch was really out here running a whole cult
@@alpacawithouthat987 the problem is, most of them felt like there wasn’t a way out. Eventually someone would recognize a face, or the government would come looking
Great observation.
@@alpacawithouthat987 They could have lived off of the land, they never needed money. Dutch could have bided his time for a few months before moving on either with another take or by disappearing forever.
John: Arthur is dead :(
Gang member: Oh no!
Gang member: _Anyway..._
Gang member: CHOO CHOO motherf***rs trains here bye!
"Nobody cries when we die,we outlaws let me ride"
TOP GEAR MEME!
A stranger: oh shit Arthur’s dead?……. damn he helped me get to where I am right now
seriously it pissed me off, such a great person honestly beyond words. The creators could've made the gang members less composed after learning of his death.
I like that John makes it very clear to nearly every person who brings up Arthur, that he saved his life.
John marston: *do just one thing good* i think im a good guy
Arthur morgan:* do a lot of good things saving people* im not a good person at all
*Robs some bank(s)* *kills people* he was ok
@@TekMex666 or literally in this video talking to Mickey
@@TekMex666 it took John a while to get to Arthur's level. But they were very similar in a lot of ways. It happens. Same with me and an old friend of mine. Couldn't understand him till years later I went through the same shit.
@@TekMex666 age and naivety. Marston's a completely different person by the time he gets to the first red dead redemption. Mature and just done with the gang life. He matured. Fuck agent Ross
Arthur was a killer and an outlaw in reality it's not a person who counts as "good"
Poor Mickey Arthur was his only friend
Connor Hart 😂😂
I was always nice to mickey i just wanted to do more for him
on the wiki it actually says mickey pick pocketed arthur when he hugged him and took advantage of people and lied, don't know if its true though
I killed mickey after he told me he never fought in a war
@@simplename8294 Aw, damn! I hope that ain't true.
I just realized Rains Fall likely has the beginning stages of Alzheimer's.
He's a character in a video game
K1NGSMOK3 And?
Hey that PFP seems familiar
@Ba Ba no bro it's definitely from a guy who drew cats to cope with his schizophrenia (?) And then they turned into strange shapes that nearly resembled cats
It’s dementia
1:27 Looks almost near identical to what I had my Arthur look like. And it just makes that “Havent I met you before line?” By rain falls a lot stronger
**Horse falls down and passes away**
Arthur: "Thank, you.."
R.I.P. Sheldon the horse “the fastest horse in the west” he will be missed
That really hit me hard
R.I.P Buell... you and that old man both deserved better..
Rip lex
Goodbye to my white arabian
"He saved my life, gave his"
"That doesn't surprise me one bit"
Arthur is a good man
You mean was
@@alexmercer5414 hey go see if you can consume his corpse. Blacklight Arthur.
Me: “lets see how many people Arthur can kill from the rooftops of San Denis.”
Charles in the epilogue: “He was not a good man”
Me: 😦 “how could you say that”
@eyan sorad the canon ending is Arthur dying on the mountain looking at the sunrise
Stranger: hello, who ar-
John: Arthur died few years ago, he saved my life
😆😆😆
Probably because John has Arthur's journal
I always had Arthur grow out his hair, and gave him a beard, but not too long. So it’s amazing how when John stood in the light, talking to Rain Falls, you couldn’t really see his face, but his Entire Outline was Arthur, especially with the hat.
Funny how Tilly, Mary-Beth, Rains Fall all leave on train like they are moving on with the world and accepting their new path while john stays saying goodbye :(
(Pearson has a shop now so thats cool)
Pearson snitched on Marston, thats why in rdr2 he dies
@@oliverbischoff9609 wtf this is rdr2 are you high
Also Pierson never sniched on no one
Yep, still here to rob, shoot, stab, flog, beat, punch, burn, explode, tie up, threaten, trample, annoy, insult, and put under moving trains!
Oliver Bischoff what are you talking about
Symbolism!
I wish that characters would react if you wore Arthur’s hat.
Skelee Bones omg same
Honestly i feel like they would of likely forgotten he wore the hat, its been a long time since they last saw Arthur and after time sadly your memory of such things slips away for most people.
@@joedatius Besides, who'd pay attention to a hat?
@@trashcantacos people who like hats
Skelee Bones and his Satchel
Arthur died at the highest point of the mountain with a beautiful view for his final moments, Micah died at the top of a mountain too, but faced down into nothing but cold snow, Dutch, died at the bottom of the mountain, with nowhere left to run. I don’t know if Rockstar had these deaths intentionally where they were with the message or if we just gave it meaning. I miss Arthor bro, people always complain about plot armor but the one time plot armor doesn’t protect our protagonist all the way, people are sad, crying even. Crazy huh?
I mean, it's ok for main characters to day, just look at Ezio. The probelm with Arthur's death is that it's a slow and descending death from the first moment of tb when Arthur realizes he's going to die soon and starts helping people to the moments when he dies alone, but having helped almost everyone and completely disregarded the money he thought so highly of in the start.
and what about John, what about his death, what does Rockstar meant us to interpret it? died protecting his family, embraced his final moments, thought it must end here, the final nail in the gangs coffin?
@@yashvardhansingh9285 i don’t know much about johns death but it was indeed the last for outlaws. well for that gang at least, john was the hammer used to strike that last nail in the coffin. Since john was used to find the other gang members
@@weeniehutjrs1305 apparently the hammer was discarded after its use was over
John's was little too brutal, he was shot by dozens of men's and it was as brief as it was painful ( authurs was a gradual process we all knew his time was up)
..and Bill died pleading for his life. It's all in the message of Red Dead Redemption.
It brings me to tears that you can see Arthur’s impact all over the map as john. The fact that you can find the people who he saved or just made their lives better when you play is such a great detail from rockstar. I don’t think gta 6 could ever beat rdr2. The way the game messes with your heartstrings and emotions so well is what makes this game so great. The fact that you get emotionally invested in peoples lives and your choices make people think differently of you was also such a great touch. Gta 6 will never beat this game
Wonderfully said, I agree that GTA will have to try VERY VERY hard to even come close to this game. Then again, just my opinion.
Rather bold statement to say for a game that isn't even out yet.
No point of playing with John ..... I miss Arthur’s voice ...especially with the horse “calm down girl “
“That’s my girl “
Everything seems pointless without Arthur
that’s why I went straight to replaying the game lol
Your not alone I just keep starting new games to listen to Arthur’s calming voice 😔
i feel the opposite. John is who I had first in the first Red Dead so it's refreshing to see what led up to his demise and the kind of person he was before everything. Arthur had a huge impact on his life.
I wonder whats the corelation between people who share this opinion and people who played the first game.
I can't replay a game i can't change my character fate,my friends gonna die...Arthur gonna die.
Play with John again was cool(100% on rdr1)but i can't change is fate as well and the tale is finished in my memory ,it's so sad.
I love how sweet Charlotte is always like "please loot my house, please"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
PLEASE TAKE MY SHIT
"It would make me happy", Charlotte insisted.
"Well alright then", John replied with a smile as he stepped inside.
And once Charlotte was done reading for the day she went back in the house to warm herself by the fire, only to find it completely empty. The furniture, her underwear, the food, jewelry, even the motherfucking fireplace were all gone with the 'kind' stranger.
"Well shit..."
@@JefErickson Can't have shit in St. Denis
@@caesarslegiontww1646 she in Roanoke Ridge New Hanover
“He wasnt really a good man, nobody knew what he was in the end”
*You watch your goddamn mouth Marston...*
Doesn't he say something different depending on how you played?
@@davidalvarado9957 don't think so. I had max honor, spared quite a few people. John still has the same reaction for the most part.
Yup but Arthur was bandid and not good his whole life thats why
They were all criminal, which is not good man.
@@davidalvarado9957 yes this was low honor
I think Charlotte’s reaction to Arthur’s death was the best out of all of these. You can really see how much of a positive impact Arthur had on her and how fondly she thinks of him too if you decided to help her.
when i played low honor on 2nd playthrough i killed her, im sorry
@@castrocuba4937 monster
@@Klvstrxx_47 lol, im sorry
@@castrocuba4937 for low honor ending do you just kill everyone even strangers or do you just not kill strangers
@@kingofthedead5675 i just kill anyone i like tbh
Maaaaaaaan... The Rains Fall encounter, always break my heart. Specially the line "My son i suppose, he felt" and always makes me feel angry about Dutch. He used Eagle Fly and his people, just to get what he wanted... Innocent people who just wanted to live in peace, but Dutch went there and made their situation worse
He also got dementia
And learning what we’re learning about Canada, his tribe wouldn’t have been any better off there either.
@@FreemanicParacusia it's really depends. Americans reserve camps not that far off
its not that they were innocent necessarily (definitely moreso than the gang, but they did resort to thievery and guerilla warfare against the army), but Dutch making their whole situation worse and manipulating them is 100percent true
I honestly hate dutch at the end of the game more than Micah, Micah was a rat but dutch was Arthur and John's friend/father for 15 years or so and he threw it away and left John and Arthur for dead (also during the mission where egale flys dies)
Arthur: “saves johns life”
John: AUTHUR SAVED MY LIFE
Kieran: “saves Arthur’s life”
Arthur: No
Arthur saves Kieran’s life everyday he doesn’t kill him
Arthur did talk about Kieran saving his life a few times in the story
if you speak to Kieran in camp after Arthur saves him, Arthur will eventually thank him for saving his life. Though he does it rather reluctantly.
Sepulchrum I remember that. I was glad when he did.
After Keiran’s death you can read Arthur’s journal, in it he writes that Kieran saved his life and regrets not being able to his.
"He saved my life, he gave his"
"That doesnt surprise me one bit."
That hit right in the heart
"Any friend of Arthur's is a friend of mine."
I love that there are so many people in the world of Red Dead that share this mindset. Rains Fall is heartbreaking though, just the way he so gleefully tells John that his people are still around, up in Canada with better luck, but then when John asks why he's here instead... the way the camera zooms out slightly, the way Rains Fall pauses, before so brokenly muttering, "I don't know... my son, I suppose."
Yea, his home and tribe were once here.....
Anything resembling respect I had remaining for Dutch died when he ruined their tribe for no other reason than he thought it was opportune at the time.
For some reason, I've always read this scene as Rains Fall showing signs of early stages of dementia or Alzheimer's (which apparently has a high rate in indigenous populations). It just compounds the tragedy of chapter 6 because the people who should be there to look after him and the tribe in his old age (i.e. Eagle Flies and the other boys) aren't.
I think being in Canada is okay for the adult Natives by the early-20th century. I ain’t so sure about the children though if you know what I mean.
@@sarahhutchinson1644 same here
I ain't dead yet BOAHS
Yey
I seen yoh name in ah ledgah
You got some moneh for meh boah?
LuMbAgO
Yooouuurrr ookkk boooaaaaahhh
Somebody: Arth-
John: HE SAVED MY LIFE YOU KNOW
Well try to say that in RDR1
@@ripjimwinkle280 You have forgotten people way more important than me
-The strange man
john was his true best friend
keta • he was his brother
@@starrigby5994 He is Dude and will be it forever. Even if I delete the old game and click on "New Game".
The scene where rain falls try’s to stop his tribe from attacking is one of the most heart-wrenching moments in the game. Idk but there was something about rain falls that made me really like him.
It just doesn’t feel the same playing as John
Nico Garcia he feels pretty awkward when it comes to conversation
Forreal.. LONG LIVE A.M
I honestly prefer it, but John has also been my favorite video game character of all time ever since RDR 1. Throughout the entire game, I had wished to play as him. I just wish Arthur didn't have to die for it to happen.
you feel.... empty
@@wwfgewrghewgwe I wouldnt say it was for nothing. John lived for another 12 or so years happily with his family. If it weren't for Arthur, he could have died or been arrested in 1899.
I like how John is basically continuously learning about how Arthur was such a great guy, heartwarming
Yeah man ! Personally for me this is the greatest storyline + npc’s for a game . The greatest.
He also told everyone Arthur not just died , but saved him.
Well Rockstar could make the game more nastier, there will be a second option while youre in the public bath. 1st one is to “accept the help of those hotels babe”, the 2nd one is right before finishing the bath, “is to further the conversation in a room (you know what i mean)”. My God, with that RDR2 will be one of the rarest game ever.
I think rains fall has the first stages of alzheimerz, he didn't really know what he was doing and seems confused when he talks about his tribe and his son
I think it’s just because he was in such a state of depression and felt at a loss when his son died.
He lost two sons and his people's culture was raped. He was just old and tired. Waiting for the end.
Ese Muffin they live in Canada. Stop being so dramatic.
@ Who lives in Canada?
Ese Muffin rains fall does
That people flying in the background! 😄(0:14)
Homeless man: " Yeah this kind feller had a big heart, and a strong look on his face"
John: oh that's Arthur lol, he died tho
That exchange is funny to me. The homeless dude gets deep with “Ive been standing here since 1870 and I’m slowly starving to death” and it’s like John tries to be even more depressing with something like “Yeah that was Arthur. He died but he saved my life before he died BECAUSE HE DIED”
Arthur was the Best character of video game history. He had such depth and complexity that his death Always brings tears, yet his entire life Can be described in one sentence.
*”Oh, Arthur.”*
Yup
William H. Thorsen Arthur is Joel’s great grand pappy ( from TLOU)
And Kratos.
His entire life can be described in one sentence.
“That could have gone smoother”
Boah
"all characters react to Arthur Morgan's death"
**first clip doesn't even bring up Arthur**
Exactly! Why are people not talking about this?
@@jcwljs1246 Mrs Tilly says "I think about *all* of you all the time." *All* means she thinks of Arthur too. It's implicit.
Tillys an ass for not asking about Arthur. She found her lawyer and stopped caring i guess. But then, she was always pragmatic and practical i guess
Pranab Roy Right? It sounded like she was less than interested in anything John had to say anyways.
I mean I may be reading too much into a video game character but it REEALLLY sounded like she didn’t give a shit and just wanted to talk about how great her life is now.
@@thiccnazty2152 I mean it's been nearly a decade since the gang split apart. At some point past events aren't all that important anymore, especially bad past events. She put the life behind her and found one she likes much more.
Its the fact that tilly said "we live in a house" like shes happy to not be just roaming around in a camp, its kind of a cool detail.
Arthur: Come on Hosea lets go hunt a big heaven bear
Hosea: *NO NOT AGAIN*
I asked him and he said bring Micah. Then I said il get Charles.
To this day, That brick of Shit in Hosea's pants will always be there even in death.
1:26 I don't know if it was intentional in the cutscene or just by sheer coincidence of the time of day, but I like how the sun in the background sort of blurs out John's facial features, and even alters them to somewhat make him look similar and even AS Arthur. It enforces that feeling that even when Arthur is gone, his influence in the world and on other people will always be present within their memories.
damn
brooo
Its cause john uses the same hair/beard models as arthur
Deep.
@@caioaugusto6819 let us have a moment Boah
9:56 - please take something, it would make me happy.
*proceeds to loot the entire house*
dræ yeah thats what i did
LOL
I took nothing
*proceeds to loot her ;)
I hogtied her and looted her she was smiling while she was hogtied very weird laadyyyy
I cried like a baby when Arthur died. I was and still am heartbroken.
Were girls cried:titanic
Were boys cried:infinity war
Were men cried:red dead redemption
Actually I cried at all of those
Boys cry at sad minecraft stories.
@@minor7805 I am a girl and have never seen Titanic, but i cried because of Infinity War, i cried because of Endgame and i cried because of Red dead Redemption and i am damn proud of it :D
@@Sonnenschein404 lol
Where Jesus cried
1:28
That shot is perfect, you could even think Rain Falls confused John with Arthur.
😭😭😭
Donnie Darko I thought it was him
I almost thought they swapped models in the light like that
“I don’t know” sounds so weird like the voice actors holding a sneeze
exactly what i was thinking
“I want you...to not look back, like I said.”
"Revenge is a fools game."
"You act as if killin' was somethin' I cared about"
sadly john did look back
Spr.l
And as a result that got him killed.
GET DEH HELL OUTTA HERE AND BE A GOD DAMN MAN!
Everyone got so attached to Arthur, that is what makes it even sadder..
Arthur a very likable guy and had a heart.
I really liked Arthur and Charles. They had a good heart, they were good people.
Peachiyi_ very violent but not bad ....not nearly as much as they are capable Of
Peachiyi_ you wanna play rd online sometime?
Jorge Masvidal lmao.
Jorge Masvidal this guy is thirsty
Sean:Charles tell me a joke
Charles:Bill Williamson
Pls tell me that I'm not the only one that actually cried when Arthur died. I put my controller down and took a few days to process :'(
I'm still processing please send help!
Ella Stanyer oh i straight up sobbed. then i got over it for a minute and thought about it again and sobbed all over lol
@@miaw9587 Lol! That was basically me for at least a solid 4 days!
Me and my mum was watching my sister play the game. When arthur died we were all quiet... i could definitely feel that we were all so sad 😭😭
I guess I'm weird. While everyone is sobbing I just have a feeling of emptiness.
"He passed away, long time ago."
What hurts me is that all of them have gotten over it already since it was 8 years later. But for us, it JUST happened a few moments ago. R* probably didn't want to mention Arthur during the epilogue that much be they know we'd break down.
They mentioned him so much (depending on if you actually did something)
And also they didn't mention Arthur very much it's because the storyline purposes. When RDR1 Is on development. Arthur Morgan didn't exist. Until like few years later when they start working the script for RDR2.
They don't mention Arthur to much at Epilogue its because they trying to atleast cover the plot hole as much as they can.
And also Arthur keep saying _"If the times come. Do not look back"_ to John he's trying to say "Do not look at the past" Because he know it would be painfull to remember.
@@noobscoopsies1100 Yeah also thought this is the main reason. They can't put too much emphasis on the world Arthur left behind because of RDR1
i’ve never heard this dialogue without hearing my ps4 overheat
7:23 This is a good excuse for why Arthur never being mentioned in RDR1. Never talk about him much.
Less is more.
Cos he was good
And Arthur said to John to, "Never look back."
@@saemyrhine one of the most memorable lines in the Prequel, its how John lived
It's funny arthur would never admit it but he's a good man deep down.
I love the voice of Rains Fall
Arthur’s Hat thank you, hat
Nice looking hat
The actor is Graham Greene, hat.
There's my hat!
You don’t have ears YoUr A hAt
The sad thing is if it weren’t for Arthur almost the whole Van der Linde gang would be dead, he helped and saved so many people, and it doesn’t even seem like the people he saved were sad about his death
They would've already prepared. They knew arthur had tb and would die from a bullet or from tb so they were already sad beforehand. Whilst the strangers had no idea thus making them sadder since they thought it was just a healthy man helping out
@@x3woots hm yes because they "saw it coming" can be used as an excuse for an almost emotionless reaction. ESPECIALLY when they'd be long dead without him
@@omhh1986 then do you want everyone to be dramatic and depressed every time they hear arthur?
@@omhh1986 Are you dumb? They had a headstart at processing the inevitable demise of Arthur, of course they're gonna be more okay with it. Time heals most wounds.
@@x3woots yes
lets all just take a moment to appreciate that arthur has affected the world of rdr more than leviticus, micah, dutch, milton, colm and the strange man ever could.
legends never die, youngblood. stop telling people i’m dead.
Same here brother
“Legends they never die. They come back stronger then ever.”
-Silas Greaves
Josef Stalin o shit it dat boi . there’s no time for stalin when you russian to industrialize 😂😂😂
Badass Uchiha save some for me , more than one tho, i’m gonn give some to ma BOAHS john jack charles & uncle & some for ma GURLS sadie & abigail
SaggyHUGGIES123 ain’t that the gawdayum truth.
John: Interacts with old gang members, kills Micah and forgets to go by Jim Milton in public
Ross: *finds John*
John: *Surprised Pikachu Face*
GrowlingTummy someone said that the reason he was found by Ross was his revenge mission on Micah. Cleet’s public execution, Arthur did tell John to never look back and he did also say that “vengeance is an idiot’s game”
"THIS IS AGENT ROSS AND THE PINKERTON DETECTIVE AGENCY! PUT YOUR HANDS UP NOW!"
The Dark Wolf yeah that makes sense. In the credits you can see Ross and Archer follow the trail of clues starting with Micah’s corpse which eventually led them to Beecher’s Hope. Ironically, the one big thing John did to honor Arthur’s memory undid what Arthur died for (to save the Marstons and give them a good life)
says 101 Ross: “Everyone eventually pays for what they have done, Mr. Marston. Good job with finishing Mr. Bell up on that mountain, but Archer and I aren’t leaving you alone until you get the other three of your former associates.”
*Arthur looking down from Heaven:* “Marston you goddamned fool...”
@@Growlingtummy2 I've been debating on this though: Dutch had also planned to kill Micah, in case we can really believe his words. I guess that way even if John didn't go after micah, agent Ross might have found him nonetheless through the body and with John living so close to blackwater and using his real name when taking the loan
Rains Fall - broke my heart - The Writers deserve a pat on the back for making this masterpiece of a story
I think he might be starting to get dementia
Ivanliuks I thought the same
Ivanliuks - it’s pretty obvious that he was - Hopefully Canada was better than Colonel Favours
makes me smile seeing john wear arthur's hat 🥲