How Micah Bell Tricked The Gang - RDR2

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  • @PremoSaysThings
    @PremoSaysThings  หลายเดือนก่อน +41

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    • @TPFB129
      @TPFB129 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      To make a slight correction on your point about Micah not being at camp when the agents show up. Micah WAS there, present but hiding on the outer ring of the gang when they came for Dutch.
      Not to say he didn't plan that event himself, or that your initial assessment was incorrect, other than just that small detail, excellent video regardless.

    • @ktgame2640
      @ktgame2640 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Dunno if you noticed but the video ends cutting you off saying "like a surviv~"

  • @gravymask
    @gravymask หลายเดือนก่อน +756

    micah is so well written and acted that peter blomquist often doesn’t get clapped for when appearing on stage alongside other rdr2 actors. it’s very funny and a little sad

    • @beshbreaknumber1fan
      @beshbreaknumber1fan หลายเดือนก่อน +165

      it honestly really sucks, Blomquist gave his life to that performance to create the most realistic piece of shit in modern media, even if the character deserves all the bad in the world, the actor needs to be revered. he's incredible

    • @Mr.Capitalism
      @Mr.Capitalism หลายเดือนก่อน +49

      Fr people tend to hate micah so much they dont show appreciation to peter, I myself feel like Micah is over-hated, he is a great antagonist and aint as bad as many other Rockstar villains

    • @twinzzlers
      @twinzzlers หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      ​@Mr.Capitalism Micah isn't a protagonist, he's a antagonist

    • @Mr.Capitalism
      @Mr.Capitalism หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@twinzzlers yeah my bad lol, thanks for looking out

    • @sleufffff
      @sleufffff หลายเดือนก่อน

      o7

  • @radabeleeds9243
    @radabeleeds9243 หลายเดือนก่อน +628

    The most complete theory is that Micah was likely tracking Dutch, hoping to capture/turn him in for a reward. This explains the bounty poster for £1000 you find at his camp near Strawberry. However, he then decided to seize an opportunity at the bar where Dutch was trying to sell gold, stepping in and ingratiating himself with Dutch, thinking he could use Dutch to make bigger scores or, if they went went sour, turn him in later. He was effectively hedging his bets from the outset - teaming up with the famous outlaw in the hopes of benefitting from big scores i.e. the Blackwater robbery, but always with an eye to betraying Dutch/the gang if it was possible later. When the Pinkertons picked him up following their return from Guarma, he was "turned" into an informant, but played both sides. Hence he encouraged Dutch to take bigger & bigger risks, hoping to either benefit from the one last heist at the end of the game, or planning on turning Dutch in, or both. A lot of his body language and behaviour as Arthur lay dying shows he was at that time literally trying to manipulate Dutch into going with him, in the direction of the Pinkertons just around the corner.

    • @TK--ch9jl
      @TK--ch9jl หลายเดือนก่อน +63

      Oooh, i think you've cracked it. That lines up with his opportunist thought process. Also, lines up with Landon Ricketts saying "Keep hoping to both sides pf the fence, you'll get impaled on it."

    • @Mag_Gag1
      @Mag_Gag1 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      This is probably the best theory on Micahs character I've ever seen, this should be gold standard!

    • @puarterquonder
      @puarterquonder หลายเดือนก่อน

      What went wrong after Guarma? Nothing! The Pinkertons followed Arthur to the camp, because nobody told them where it was. Milton was lying.

    • @josephstalin2606
      @josephstalin2606 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      You’re spot on except for Micah trying to lead Dutch to the Pinkertons, it’s safe to say by the time Milton died and the Pinkertons raided Beaver Hollow that Micah was no longer of use to them which is why they’re seen shooting at Micah and Micah is seen shooting at them. He’s trying to encourage Dutch to come with him because he still wanted to use him and if things calmed down later he would probably try to turn him in, but in that moment the Pinkertons were looking to drop any gang member including Micah

    • @NJ-wb1cz
      @NJ-wb1cz หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Then it makes no sense for him to be so nasty all the time. If he's acting, there's no need to act like an abrasive character

  • @jessmark6465
    @jessmark6465 หลายเดือนก่อน +167

    Chapter 2 Dutch to Micah: You get Micah out of that jail.
    Chapter 6 Dutch to John: We are not getting John out yet.

    • @abdulazimnaushad
      @abdulazimnaushad หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Chapter 6 Dutch (secretly): Actually we ain’t getting John out, let him die for all I care he’s a doubter and traitor.

    • @limprooster3253
      @limprooster3253 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      ​@@abdulazimnaushadHe did the same to Arthur. Eagle Flies had to save him after Dutch left him to die

  • @GeographerWilson
    @GeographerWilson หลายเดือนก่อน +898

    People hate Micah, and rightfully so, but you can’t say that he isn’t skilled. He’s a good gunslinger and has a sharp sense of intellect, but this is more of the cunning side. In “A short walk in a pretty town”, we can really see Micah’s shooting skills

    • @Bleeblooplu
      @Bleeblooplu หลายเดือนก่อน +49

      No he isn’t skilled at all. The reason he always held two guns was because he’s a bad shot. He needs two guns because he’ll most likely miss firing his first shot.

    • @sussyslurp
      @sussyslurp หลายเดือนก่อน +44

      He's erratic and he knows it, he justifies his actions, and has shallow empathy with not a hint of remorse. But he leaves Arthur to die in peace (if honorable), really an underrated character with a rotten role model; his father has the same exact name probably to highlight the effects of childhood modeling, his brother Angus chose to be better though. I believe that's why he let Arthur die in peace.

    • @sussyslurp
      @sussyslurp หลายเดือนก่อน +43

      @@Bleeblooplu Seems like conformation bias and jumping to conclusions, I doubt you could ever operate two revolvers at once and still hit anything, I know I couldn't, that takes real skill.

    • @ticket2space
      @ticket2space หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      ​@@Bleebloopluhe carries two guns because that was a fairly common thing to do. You don't shoot both at the same time you either empty one and switch or you alternate hands. It's not something an unskilled person could do

    • @865354hayden
      @865354hayden หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @21:38 is one of the most badass scenes of micah showing that skill. incredible. just not as good as arthur. its basically deadeye in real time

  • @slopyardjoe
    @slopyardjoe หลายเดือนก่อน +221

    45:29 the fact that arthur was the first to draw is always so fire, especially considering he's severely sick

    • @PremoSaysThings
      @PremoSaysThings  หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      so true thanks for watching

    • @averyangrygringo6440
      @averyangrygringo6440 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      That's why is the GOAT, The GOAAAAAT

    • @loganparker7114
      @loganparker7114 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Can we talk about how he holds his own against micah at the end of the game

    • @marcusfrazier4923
      @marcusfrazier4923 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Micah knew he had no chance with that man head on.

    • @ajax3310
      @ajax3310 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      All TB did was turn him into Doc Holliday

  • @QaulinDickson
    @QaulinDickson หลายเดือนก่อน +68

    All Arthur had to do was go to Strawberry, watch Micah swing from the rope and then go back and tell Dutch that it was too late to save him. Nobody would have challenged Arthur about it. Problem solved.

    • @koby._.e5416
      @koby._.e5416 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      But as we know Arthur isn’t a bad person.

    • @Lupo32
      @Lupo32 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Arthur could have taken sean and lenny fishing and come back 3 weeks later !

    • @iamwhoiam7887
      @iamwhoiam7887 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      All we had to do was stay in damn Strawberry

    • @optiondezzo1513
      @optiondezzo1513 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@koby._.e5416 Arthur didn't like nor trust Micah but he let his integrity get the better of him.

  • @YesMan7331
    @YesMan7331 หลายเดือนก่อน +71

    Guarma is also there to show that Hercule Fontaine was everything that Dutch pretended to be.

  • @wyomingptt
    @wyomingptt หลายเดือนก่อน +98

    I think Micah might be the most complex character after Arthur and Dutch. He is an outlaw. Outlaws aren't nice. Also, I think Micah was betraying Dutch while in Strawberry with the O'Driscolls. Or at the very least he was trying to switch sides in case the other guy got rescued first, then he killed him to prevent him from saying anything.

  • @kingDowahs
    @kingDowahs หลายเดือนก่อน +174

    Micah Bell is arguably the smartest character in the Red Dead Redemption universe,
    He managed to trick the world’s best conman into destroying his alliances, his gang, his son and his mind and then nearly got away with handing him over to the authorities afterwards

    • @JohnWilliams-fk3hb
      @JohnWilliams-fk3hb หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      John is....he doesn't seem it but he knows the crack.

    • @vibecaptainthe9147
      @vibecaptainthe9147 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      The smartest is Uncle and Josiah.

  • @cb-9938
    @cb-9938 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

    Rockstar didn't just create one of the best Protagonists
    They created one of the most deplorable characters in fiction

    • @edge1247
      @edge1247 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I love me a good Villain and Micah Bell playing that whole Gang like a damn fiddle is a chefs kiss. Not only is he a Master Mainpulator he's on Par with John and Arthur as one of the Best Gunslingers in the Red Dead Universe. Only mistake he made was not Gunning down Dutch when he came up that Mountain years later.

    • @cb-9938
      @cb-9938 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@edge1247 I love that he shrugs before dying. Doesn't seem angry or offended, just kinda disappointed for a second then is like "whatever"

  • @slydoesnotknow393
    @slydoesnotknow393 หลายเดือนก่อน +79

    My first playthrough I hated Micah, second playthrough I couldn’t get enough of him, it was impressive how good he was at a being a villian.

  • @Nfk2224
    @Nfk2224 หลายเดือนก่อน +191

    Im gonna say this because no one else is Micah is a well written and good character

    • @itsjykee
      @itsjykee หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      He reminds me of my uncle :)

    • @kingDowahs
      @kingDowahs หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He’s probably the best in gaming history

    • @solomysic7462
      @solomysic7462 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Everyone agrees his a good written character hint why everyone hates him

    • @josephstalin2606
      @josephstalin2606 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      True. I used to mercilessly hate him but over time I learned to respect his character, after all he’s only been in the gang 6 months and never got along with anyone besides Dutch, anyone in his position would’ve either ran away or ratted, it’s not like Micah sought an alliance with the Pinkertons because Milton clearly states “We PICKED HIM UP and he’s been a good boy ever since” which implies Milton captured Micah and gave him a choice

    • @Mr.Capitalism
      @Mr.Capitalism หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He is a masterful antagonist, I do hate him but Inkinda love him

  • @M3TAH34D
    @M3TAH34D หลายเดือนก่อน +117

    Micha is the type of guy to spend all of his points on skill and a very few on charisma

    • @PremoSaysThings
      @PremoSaysThings  หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      8 in skill 1 in charisma 0 on friendship 😢

    • @taski1
      @taski1 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      he tries, but he's about as charismatic as a snake. Even hisses like one too.
      i knew something was off about him when he suddenly tried to get on Arthur's good side in random camp convos before the meeting with Colm. In fact it makes sense why he was trying so hard to persuade Dutch to meet with Colm, when Colm's plan was to simply take arthur.

    • @YesMan7331
      @YesMan7331 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Micah’s SPECIAL:
      Strength - 6
      Perception - 4
      Endurance - 6
      Charisma - 6
      Intelligence - 6
      Agility - 5
      Luck - 4

    • @jayhollows5729
      @jayhollows5729 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@YesMan7331 what is Charles?

    • @YesMan7331
      @YesMan7331 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@jayhollows5729 Hmm I’d say
      Strength - 8
      Perception - 5
      Endurance - 7
      Charisma - 7
      Intelligence - 5
      Agility - 5
      Luck - 6

  • @Nian-Draco
    @Nian-Draco หลายเดือนก่อน +76

    And for the life of me I don't know why Arthur Morgan didn't shoot Micah in strawberry after he killed Maddie. That would have been the perfect time to cut him loose. Could have told Dutch you got killed in a crossfire when he went crazy over his guns

    • @jamesowen889
      @jamesowen889 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Not in the script!😂😂😂

    • @miguelserrano9079
      @miguelserrano9079 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Yeah but also that isn’t Arthur he is more like a Robin Hood type than a murdered specially someone who begged him pleased to saved him

    • @niydfass1060
      @niydfass1060 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      I don't think thatd be in character of Arthur to do. Hes not the type of person to just kill someone because they're problematic. He hates Micah's guts, but hes part of the gang, and values loyalty over all until near the end of the game, realizing how little his loyalty mattered.

  • @gumball2960
    @gumball2960 หลายเดือนก่อน +117

    It's so easy to say Micah was a dumb but looking back really he was the true master manipulator
    Micah lived by the mindset Dimitri have in gta iv
    He may not be able to change the rules of the game, but he can pick the game
    Micah was playing chess while everybody was playing checkers

    • @ticket2space
      @ticket2space หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      He just kept asking dutch about money and talking trash to everyone. He only fooled dutch. Dutch, got dutch'd

    • @josephstalin2606
      @josephstalin2606 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      He was never dumb people that hate him just say that but the reality is he’s one of the smarter characters. Not book smart like Lenny but he’s self aware and has more street smarts than most of the gang members. It takes a smart mind to be able to play a dangerous gang of outlaws and Pinkertons at the same time to benefit from both

    • @jamesowen889
      @jamesowen889 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@josephstalin2606yet Arthur saw through his bluster and bravado, and Arthur was considered, well, basically a dullard.

    • @Princess_Celestia_
      @Princess_Celestia_ 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@jamesowen889Arthur only pretended to be a dullard, he was actually quite intelligent. Read his journal some time, he's more intelligent then he lets on.

    • @Princess_Celestia_
      @Princess_Celestia_ 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@josephstalin2606 Oh yeah, because fooling a man who was losing his marbles is sooo the proof of one being smart.

  • @quinn7965
    @quinn7965 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    when people gonna realize micah is a S tier character from a writing perspective. he’s got depth

  • @ninfias
    @ninfias หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    this came up on my fyp just as i finished another replay of rdr2, perfect timing! thanks for the deep dive into micah, he's such a well written antagonist and i love questioning his motives and diving into just how long he's been a rat and what he intentions with dutch were! i personally think he was always a rat, just not specifcally to the pinkertons until the end-- like, i fully believe he was always going to betray dutch someday, but given his opportunistic + survive at all costs nature, he had to wait for the day that a better prospect came along first so that he could reap the most benefit before moving on. loved the video!

    • @PremoSaysThings
      @PremoSaysThings  หลายเดือนก่อน

      what a wonderful comment! thank you so much. hope you had an amazing playthrough of rdr2!
      Deep down, i sort of think he was always the rat in some odd ways as well. glad to see others think that. again great comment glad you liked the video

  • @ThatsCrazyBroAnyways
    @ThatsCrazyBroAnyways หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Bill will never escape those gay allegations

  • @Lyician
    @Lyician หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    After hosea death, micah started to get in Dutch's ear a lot more because before when hosea was alive micah couldn't manipulate dutch as he did later on in the game

  • @lzano4886
    @lzano4886 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

    24:30 dude micah WAS in that cutscene. he gets an entire closeup and he’s in the shot with Pearson, Sadie, and Bill. in fact, you can clearly see the big ass gap where he was SUPPOSED to be😭😭😭 idk if you modded him out just to make your point or what, but that whole point is invalid
    edit: im watching the scene , he even draws his pistols when the rest of the gang draws their weapons
    ANOTHER EDIT: neither Lenny, Bill, Javier, Tilly, Trelawney, nor Uncle appear in the o’driscoll attack mission either. i think that’s just coincidence that Micah didn’t

    • @PremoSaysThings
      @PremoSaysThings  หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      thats wild! I even browsed the subreddit on if micah was in that scene and multiple people said he wasnt - so i went off the information i had. thats so weird. and true i knew that a couple people were missing from odriscall attack mission and i should have said that in the video
      thank you for the comment 🫡

    • @josephstalin2606
      @josephstalin2606 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Sometimes he appears in that cutscene and sometimes he doesn’t, it’s pretty weird because I also distinctly remember him being in that cutscene but when I watch playthroughs he’s not there for some of them. Idk if it’s honor dependent or if one of the updates took Micah out of that scene but it seems to be a 50/50 chance of him being there or not. Also ur right about the Odriscoll attack at camp, half the gang members aren’t even present in that mission most likely they all happened to be doing their own thing finding leads or getting scores for the group, in lore the gang members don’t just sit around camp all day every day they all go out like Arthur but in gameplay they’re always at camp so Arthur can interact with them

    • @Mr.Capitalism
      @Mr.Capitalism หลายเดือนก่อน

      He did draw a gun, on my third playthrough I was checking

    • @Mr.Capitalism
      @Mr.Capitalism หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@PremoSaysThingsits on the last scene, when agent milton is about to leave

    • @lzano4886
      @lzano4886 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PremoSaysThings all good man, i was just curious why he was modded out of the cutscene 😭

  • @orangeville1978
    @orangeville1978 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    The thing that makes Micah stand out from the other gang members in the game is he's always one step ahead of everybody. While guys like Arthur, John, Sean, Lenny, etc. are all followers of Dutch's idea that they're heroes, Micah knows it's all crap and is only there to leech off others. This knowledge of Dutch's true intentions is why he can bully, rob, and lie to everyone but still stay on good terms with Dutch. Because Micah knows how to rig the system in his favor, so he does it.

  • @Number.17.on.a.Calculator
    @Number.17.on.a.Calculator หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Man, I honestly love Micah's character and I will stand on this ground

  • @albundy9904
    @albundy9904 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Arthur: I was the prized pony once now I'm the workhorse

  • @JadenFowler-j1l
    @JadenFowler-j1l หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    When you abandon morality and trying to help others completely. it's much easier to manipulate and hurt those you would have loved.

  • @joshuastevens2186
    @joshuastevens2186 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    I'd hardly say he tricked the gang, nobody even liked him besides Dutch

    • @Mr.Capitalism
      @Mr.Capitalism หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      And that was enough, he controlled the queen in the chess board

    • @bigdadybojangls9219
      @bigdadybojangls9219 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You control Dutch, you control the gang. The entire gang is named after Dutch for a reason

    • @kingDowahs
      @kingDowahs หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He tricked them into thinking he was crazy and so deranged he would never work with the law, why do you think Charles and Arthur were so surprised when they found out?

    • @joshuastevens2186
      @joshuastevens2186 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Mr.Capitalism valid..

    • @joshuastevens2186
      @joshuastevens2186 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@kingDowahs yea that's a great point, in that sense he certainly tricked the gang

  • @Leo_Valdez
    @Leo_Valdez หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    13:00 Norman was not an O’Driscoll. He was a former outlaw who used to run with Micah.

  • @arcanite_force
    @arcanite_force หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    The Guarma section is the definition of a Liminal Space, and I love it for that

    • @PremoSaysThings
      @PremoSaysThings  หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      guarma felt like a different game lowkey i liked it but fr

    • @taski1
      @taski1 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      when I lost my guns while the game gave me some, I knew to shift gears. I didn't even bother exploring Guarma and something tells me I didn't miss much

    • @buddbrown6858
      @buddbrown6858 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@taski1the atmosphere was so intense, it felt stupid to explore the island in the middle of a war lol

  • @andyscandiesaregood926
    @andyscandiesaregood926 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Lenny saying there will be a party when Micah dies will always make me laugh

  • @whygodwhy1388
    @whygodwhy1388 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    to be fair 21:02, it’s not like Arthur was 1000m away in a ghillie suit… he was in plain clothes on the edge of a cliff somewhat close to the meeting point. If we look at this situation if arthur didn’t change clothes and he kept the blue then ur gonna notice a dude in blue against a white/sandstone background lol. i’m also sure Colm had some of his boys up in the hills just incase Dutch and his boys were gonna backstab them or even maybe take the opportunity to ambush them but that’s just me

  • @timtim6373
    @timtim6373 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Micah was an opportunist who will betray anyone if he thinks it will benefit him.
    But
    They didn’t need a rat to cause their undoing the times were changing and the gang was unable to change with them.

    • @melikesmuffins6676
      @melikesmuffins6676 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      He simply sped up the inevitable

    • @timtim6373
      @timtim6373 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @ exactly

    • @timtim6373
      @timtim6373 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@melikesmuffins6676 exactly

  • @matthewfreiley645
    @matthewfreiley645 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Honestly, I hadn't really remembered that Micah saved Dutch's life when they first met. It mostly makes some sense now... That Dutch would side with Micah at the end of the game. It was so unlike Dutch to have someone actually save his life and he never forgot about that. He probably admired Micah more than most of the gang, as crazy as that sounds. And maybe him siding with Micah was his way of "owing him "

    • @Mr.Capitalism
      @Mr.Capitalism หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Reverand swanson saved Dutch's life too ,thats why they kept him although he was a drunken mess

  • @FallLover995
    @FallLover995 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Micah gives Arthur a holster not a satchel

  • @salutations6370
    @salutations6370 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Micah was nice to Arthur at the beginning because he knew not to mess with Arthur healthy but when he got sick he started his antagonizing

  • @PottsieHEW
    @PottsieHEW หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Class video mate, the production quality you give us deserves recognition keep up the grind and you'll deffo blow up lad love ya videos!

  • @itsjykee
    @itsjykee หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Wish we had any kind of single player DLC with as great writing as the story

    • @taski1
      @taski1 หลายเดือนก่อน

      people has said they wanted to play as Sadie. Charles is also a good candidate.. maybe he goes back and tryie to help the native americans more properly
      though not likely, unfortunately

  • @RealTalk87
    @RealTalk87 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    24:54 in my game, Micah is literally standing next to Sadie and Pearson the whole time. Idk how you or the other content creator (forgot his name) edited him out your clip, but he is in that clip in the original version

    • @PremoSaysThings
      @PremoSaysThings  หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      thats wild. i even scoured the internet on information about this scene and every bit of information including reddit posts says he wasnt there as well, so i was going off that information and my own experience.
      you and a few others have commented this, perplexing.

    • @Tortuga2223a
      @Tortuga2223a หลายเดือนก่อน

      What purpose do people have doing that, I know people do and would but like.... There's other people that say he didn't appear for them either..

    • @RealTalk87
      @RealTalk87 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Tortuga2223a I know the other did it to try to prove his point of Micah being a rat from the beginning (or at least since Clemens Point). I had the game since a year after it came out, and he's always been in that clip. I ain't saying this guy did it for that reason, but I know the other guy did. I think his name was Mr Boss or something like that. He's known for editing clips to try to prove a point

    • @taski1
      @taski1 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@RealTalk87
      HEEEEES LYYYYYYINNGGGG

    • @jamesowen889
      @jamesowen889 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@RealTalk87he took other people's videos and made his own spin, and used selective editing to prove his point. I didn't watch his videos that long due to that fact.

  • @mr.melonhead8556
    @mr.melonhead8556 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    There was at least 4 occasions where dutch could had elaberated a bit more in these scenarios to help these situations such as when they would rescue John, when he was asking who's betraying him and when Arthur insists on letting John and family go. Maybe that's the madness behind dutch

    • @wyomingptt
      @wyomingptt หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Can you elaborate on what 'alaberated' means?

    • @mr.melonhead8556
      @mr.melonhead8556 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@wyomingptt what do you mean sir?

    • @taski1
      @taski1 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      HAVE SOME GODDAMNED FAITH

    • @iamwhoiam7887
      @iamwhoiam7887 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      John? Insist?

  • @GoldenJoe9176
    @GoldenJoe9176 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    A lot of you praising Micah’s gun fighting skills and using Rhodes as an example.
    1. He only shoots each person (left, front, right) when he’s facing them and on the way of running back to safety after seeing where Sean was shot from.
    2. Micah only shoots one gun at a time, and takes the time to lower one and raise the other back up and re-aim. Which makes sense if he was using single action revolvers (needing time to chamber the next round another gun would be faster) but Micah uses double action revolvers, Micah isn’t anywhere near as good a gunslinger as people want to think

  • @matthewfreiley645
    @matthewfreiley645 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    42:18!! And for that reason, I believe that's why the final mission as Arthur is titled "Red Dead Redemption!" Rockstar is GENIUS 💪💪

  • @nick_panag
    @nick_panag หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    0:40 no fucking way it's Flowey the flower

    • @random_abcz
      @random_abcz หลายเดือนก่อน

      😭

    • @MrBeenus
      @MrBeenus หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm so fucking confused

    • @nick_panag
      @nick_panag หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MrBeenus okay so in Undertale, there's this character named Flowey, and he believes that it's kill or be killed. Really awesome game, you should totally play it.

  • @Mr_van_Der_Linde
    @Mr_van_Der_Linde หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Micah very strangely sometimes appears and and doesnt appear in that cutscene you talked about, the one in clemens point camp

    • @PremoSaysThings
      @PremoSaysThings  หลายเดือนก่อน

      ive noticed that too after i put this video up, some people have it some dont

  • @JsCharizard1
    @JsCharizard1 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Upon my first play through I personally thought Micah at 7:55 was cool and thought his character was just a hot head. But after strawberry I began to understand.

  • @bogiewoods3037
    @bogiewoods3037 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    30:16 from what I've seen people hate Guarma because of how short and undercooked it is, aka they wanted more of it

  • @cardboardboxer1456
    @cardboardboxer1456 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Very good video, well edited, entertaining, and an interesting topic. Hats off

    • @PremoSaysThings
      @PremoSaysThings  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@cardboardboxer1456 thanks 😎

  • @nobodyjustacreep
    @nobodyjustacreep หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    My theory is that he was working with colm in some way.. or at least conspiring with the O'driscals at points.

  • @liltnarg5017
    @liltnarg5017 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I actually liked Micha in chapter 2 because he just seemed hot headed and crazy. Seemed like he actually cared for a bit. Then everything else happened and it made me mad. Phenomenal acting and writing made him such a good character.

  • @youngdji
    @youngdji 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I happened to have an interesting perspective when playing this game for the first time. I actually had Micah being "the rat" spoiled to me before starting (oddly enough), so throughout the game I found it to be no coincidence when Micah just so happened to be away when the Pinkertons showed up, or when Colm had Arthur kidnapped during that meet up. Since there isn't enough concrete evidence otherwise I know it's an uncommon belief that he was a rat from the beginning, but from my POV it was absolutely clear that he was.

  • @jamall7003
    @jamall7003 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    "What type of man lives by the sea?!"
    Dutch does Micah... isnt his entire plan to live on an island?

    • @buddbrown6858
      @buddbrown6858 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Interesting catch

  • @TheReal1OutWest
    @TheReal1OutWest 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Isn’t it crazy to look back and realize how simple the plot was in chapter 1? Escaping blackwater, the biggest threat was O’driscolls. and trying to make a plan of leaving. then by the later chapters, the gang suddenly has full on war with the army/government And it seems O’driscolls become just a worry in the rearview mirror and is rarely talked about

    • @buddbrown6858
      @buddbrown6858 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I love that the game even addresses this, they get in so much hot water, that by the time Sadie tells Arthur that Colm will hang in St. Denis, he was like "who even gives a shit at this point??"

  • @CaptnShrek
    @CaptnShrek หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Micah took down the van Der linde gang within half a year. A truly scary member of the Trevor bloodline

  • @Kian_The_Superb_YT
    @Kian_The_Superb_YT หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Micah would get down right death if Arthur was fighting him without tb on that mountain

  • @Mr.Capitalism
    @Mr.Capitalism หลายเดือนก่อน

    Micah is a very well written antagonist and what's amazing that he aint the worst in the Rockstar rogue of villains, he is smart and he is skilled and can be a badass, people hate micah more than they should, good video man

  • @MrUsman12345678910
    @MrUsman12345678910 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Rockstar should make a movie on this video game. I bet it gonna be one of the best movies

  • @jackarcher9652
    @jackarcher9652 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Micah as an evil moustache twirling psychopath was never a believable rat to me. In fact, his loyalty to Dutch would have underscored Arthur's advice to John of being loyal to what matters. Arthur's accusations of Micah being rat rang hollow in the final chapter because Dutch at this point is exposed as a manipulator who will say and do anything to survive, using his own gang members as pawns if necessary. It's like Arthur ignored his own advice in the end! Be loyal to what matters! Arthur 'saving' Abigail, only to find out that she was the real rat would have been a great twist. From here, Arthur's realisation that he was following the 'wrong star' by forgiving Abigail would have captured his redemption.

  • @struckmatch3400
    @struckmatch3400 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Micah is in the background by the horses actually haha

    • @PremoSaysThings
      @PremoSaysThings  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      i have seen several comments saying in their game hes actually in the cinematics and i tried to do the research for this but most of the people i found online agreed that he wasnt there so thats what i put in the video. thank you for pointing this out though!

  • @Fkemall93
    @Fkemall93 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    As soon as Micah says "hello Mary, did ya miss me?" Why was there no choice? Could've rode off. Arthur just goes along killing people like a loyal dog when Dutch wasn't even there. Arthur always sussed Micah from day one, he was already subtly questioning Dutch before this, Why was he going along with Micah? Really irritates me.

  • @11EeeEeee11
    @11EeeEeee11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    But you can see Micah in 3 sense when the Pinkertons arrive in one is even holding both his guns

  • @jonathank7880
    @jonathank7880 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I was always baffled that there were straight up no consequences for Micah laying waste to Mrs. Grimshaw at the end.

  • @darrincrawfordjr.2153
    @darrincrawfordjr.2153 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    i hate micah but he is a damn good written character, to me he’s the perfect opposite to arthur all while being very similar to him as well

  • @CGNitro-hn7ef
    @CGNitro-hn7ef หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    46:22 I don't understand why Arthur/Dutch didn't shoot Micah back once he killed Ms. Grimshaw

    • @PremoSaysThings
      @PremoSaysThings  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      agreed

    • @abdulazimnaushad
      @abdulazimnaushad หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Dutch was too far gone in the head and fully manipulated by Micah, while Arthur was just caught up in the heat of the moment or probably stopped caring all that much for Grimshaw after she coldly killed Molly.

    • @Carterx_Gaming
      @Carterx_Gaming 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@abdulazimnaushad He had a gun to him! It was a standoff. If he shot Micah, Micah would've shot him, or Dutch would've shot us or Cleet or Joe. He was determined to save Ms Grimshaw too, He says so to Sadie. He was devastated in this scene that he failed to get her out.

    • @buddbrown6858
      @buddbrown6858 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      *Micah shoots one of his "family" members in a sneaky, underhanded way*
      Dutch: which one of you is betraying me 😩

  • @Jmjm-wl7pd
    @Jmjm-wl7pd หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Imagine if rockstar made him the protagonist in red dead 3 were we can see how he became so evil it could be a tragic story were we actually can understand his venom as it starts to poison him and the more bledshed the more close calls ect ect we actually could come to like him in a weird sort of way we can actually agree with his point of view i might work probably wouldn't happen but hell just a thought

    • @abdulazimnaushad
      @abdulazimnaushad หลายเดือนก่อน

      The game should be called Red Dead Revenge or Red Dead Retribution because Redemption would never work as Micah never redeemed himself.

  • @TomSunday-r1w
    @TomSunday-r1w หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Interesting facts Thanks Cowpoke 🍻🤠

  • @kremesezlidlu4731
    @kremesezlidlu4731 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I enjoyed your analysis.

  • @apocalypticchampion3518
    @apocalypticchampion3518 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    13:14 the Norman guy he murders is someone who he used to do jobs with, not an odriscoll

  • @walterrender5689
    @walterrender5689 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    i'm still trying too figure out whos the rat before gurama is' and i dont think its abigail or molly'and doing the battle for shady belle' i think micah was with the pinkertons doing that time.

    • @PremoSaysThings
      @PremoSaysThings  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      during the making of this video i deep dived into what was going on and there were a lot of times I thought i was wrong on the details, so i went back again and again.
      but its just super hard to figure out what exactly is happening. there are so many coincidences and mishaps, rockstar really created a mystery with the whole thing

    • @bbb462cid
      @bbb462cid หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@PremoSaysThings why would a man, in any western film or novel, carry a Wanted poster of somebody that he was *not* looking to kill or capture? It's always been a plot device to make the viewer or reader see motive. I see nothing that suggest Rockstar deviates from this. Making it obvious and actually easy to find (if you are suspicious of Micah and look) is the thing Rockstar does to create doubt..

    • @timtim6373
      @timtim6373 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I don’t think the gang had a rat till Guarma the whole point of the game’s themes are that the age of the outlaw is over the government is getting wise to the gangs strategies.

  • @DarthCryptic
    @DarthCryptic 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good work on this video man, never seen you before but hope to see more.

  • @TheGamer14345
    @TheGamer14345 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This Masterpiece deserves a sub.

  • @bbb462cid
    @bbb462cid หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    say it "Ay-muss" not "Ay-mowce"
    Good vid

  • @speedcreep2605
    @speedcreep2605 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Wait so Micah is the son of Micah Jr? So you're saying he's Micah III? Micah the Third?

  • @VENOM_SNAKE2
    @VENOM_SNAKE2 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    24:29 abigail wasn't there and there is a lot of evidence that she was the second rat

  • @Maddog-xc2zv
    @Maddog-xc2zv 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    After Arthur releases Micah from the Strawberry prison, Micah at the end of that mission gives him a holster (one way to be able to duel wield, nowadays everyone knows the trapper's trick of getting an additional holster and start duel wielding before even doing any mission of chapter 2), not a Satchel, as Micah tells Arthur clearly in the cut scene you use. Your brain must have somehow tricked you in saying that :) All in all, Micah would be a nice case study for neuroscience, psychiatrists, psychologists, sociologists, profilers, anthropologists and many others, despite he rated or not the gang (I'm of the opinion that many other people like Abigail or even Pearson would have more reasons to rat the gang unless Micah was from some point on desilluded of the fact that the gang could have barely any success thus changing his pardon for delivering Dutch and other high profile gang members to the Pinkertons. Still as Arthur say at some point in Annesburg before Ducth kills Cornwall and stating Micah suspects of a rat that the gang has no need for a rat as they have become more sloppy than the town drunk, and that's obvious as the gang derrails as the game progresses, Dutch becomes more himself - another narcissistic and megalomanous assh*le - both because it may be a progressive degenerative state, concussion accelerated - when they rob the trolley heist suggested by Bronte and how the heck was Dutch so stupid to believe him despite all his personality disorders -, trauma of Hosea's death which was, like it or not, his "moral compass" during all the time the gang existed, and Micah manipulative speeches that were so in accordance to his self-esteem and auto concept and ofc MIcah's interests of, more than grandeur, fed by the endless need for dominance.

  • @Kraczorek
    @Kraczorek หลายเดือนก่อน

    i like micah. he seems to be a fun friend to have

  • @Squishy246
    @Squishy246 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    "Son's a Dutch. Makes us brothers.. and sometimes brothers make mistakes."

  • @jacktheripper9992
    @jacktheripper9992 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i despise micah as a person but i absolutely adore him as a character, he is so well written

    • @smallbudoo
      @smallbudoo 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I don't despise Micah, in fact he is one of the better people in the entire crew

  • @Grayson2099
    @Grayson2099 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was so pissed when Lenny and Sean, were taken out. Particularly Sean.

  • @Cderic030
    @Cderic030 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Great video! 👍👍

  • @tomgould9542
    @tomgould9542 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just found this channel. Love the work bro keep it up you gained a sub!

  • @FezTheMoose
    @FezTheMoose 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Micah was one of the first back, but had his clothing.
    Surly someone woulda been like "aint no way. Somethings up."

  • @shootermcgavin2819
    @shootermcgavin2819 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The reason why Micah was able to get so far is because Dutch saw himself in Micah. Like Arthur said, Dutch is slowly showing who he really is.

  • @Masterwarrior567
    @Masterwarrior567 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When people say they hate the man because he one of the greatest villains in gaming history

  • @FallLover995
    @FallLover995 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Micah was at camp when the Pinkertons arrived. I've seen it in my playthroughs. No lie in Chapter 3

  • @irishmonke2342
    @irishmonke2342 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I actually liked Guarma because it was different, however at the time it was my first play through so I sped through that thing

  • @2KXMKR
    @2KXMKR 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's worth noting that Dutch didn't care about Molly in the slightest while she was madly in love with him and it's evident throughout the entire story. They can be heard arguing as early as Chapter 2 and Dutch can be seen flirting with Mary-Beth. Molly is simply another accessory. Like the golden rings on his fingers and chains hanging from his coat, she's a trinket to complement his character - the beauty on the arm of the gentleman. While Molly was on her drunken rant, Dutch was clearly about to shoot her himself - reminding Arthur of the gang rules. He's angered by her claim of ratting them out, but shows no emotion when Susan shoots her. Likewise, Dutch has absolutely no reaction to Micah killing Susan right in front of him as he questions the loyalty of the gang while she is literally interrupting him when crying out in pain as she dies at his feet. Remember that this is someone Dutch has known for over two decades, she joined the gang around the same time as Arthur and at one point was even romantically involved with Dutch. Dutch has zero emotional attachment to the people that have been loyal to him for decades. He's not only insane, psychotic, but also a sociopath, incapable of forming emotional bonds with people. Micah knew exactly how to play Dutch like a fiddle.

  • @joelsmart9485
    @joelsmart9485 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    w video as always

  • @RSx94
    @RSx94 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Wouldn't be surprised if Micah is in Red Dead 3

  • @Trash_Cat21
    @Trash_Cat21 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The gang got sloppy and kept being heat to themselves allowing them to be tracked down. Micah was playing both sides, he was always ready to sell out the gang to make money and save himself. He took a risk of saving Dutch with the gold before the game as Dutch was still on top. After the Pinkertons got him he began to play both sides. As Micah says, he is a survivor, so he will go with the better option.

  • @IDHANYT
    @IDHANYT วันที่ผ่านมา

    Without Arthur's TB, Micah's plan never works. He got lucky...

  • @huskymetal6678
    @huskymetal6678 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Rd2 is not a game, its an experience. I feel bad for the future generation that will never be able to have a character such as arthur with such an amazing cast

  • @I_JetFuture_I
    @I_JetFuture_I หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    I'd recommend leaving credit to the original creators for the footage

    • @SomeBODYwhoudontknow
      @SomeBODYwhoudontknow หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wdym?

    • @I_JetFuture_I
      @I_JetFuture_I หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@SomeBODYwhoudontknow
      I saw clips from Petko and Sounds Like Pizza. There is no credit for any of the creators. It's a common issue in the RDR community, mainly with the shorts creators

    • @perezhernan32
      @perezhernan32 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      These are all cutscenes aren’t they? Or did I miss something? No one needs to be credited for anything since they are cutscenes straight from the game

  • @JustJefferson
    @JustJefferson 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Micah played the 50…… he knew from the jump that Dutch had a price on his head, found an opportune time to get in good graces with Dutch….. rode it out while the gettin was good, but always had that easy out….that safety net in case things went south….he still had the ability to lure Dutch into a trap to collect on the bounty. Think about it….. Micah is the ultimate opportunist. He is willing to do whatever benefits him in the end.

  • @trevorforbes9274
    @trevorforbes9274 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    im suprised you didnt bring up the ride to lakay with dutch. if you rude slower dutch goes on a crazy rant on how micah is the only one on his side, but after a bit he realizes what hes saying and apologizes to arthur.

  • @mr.coffee5220
    @mr.coffee5220 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mostly everyone: *Saved by Dutch
    Uncle: “Hey guys what’s up”

  • @NNether23
    @NNether23 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    NOT THE UNDERTALE SOUND AFFECTTTTT

    • @PremoSaysThings
      @PremoSaysThings  หลายเดือนก่อน

      lol what! where?

    • @NNether23
      @NNether23 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PremoSaysThings "its either kill or be killed"

  • @bramput2119
    @bramput2119 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    26:16 bruh, during my playthrough Micah stayed outside the house for the whole shootout and fought like arthur when he was protecting john in the last mission

  • @MisterJakeC
    @MisterJakeC 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's safe to say that Micah's the goddamn rat of this whole situation. 10/10 masterpiece of a game

  • @themostdangerousProd
    @themostdangerousProd 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Micah Bell is an immortal. His father and grandfather were just him, and he’s just the newest spawn. In RDR4 there’s a new Micah that Charles:Sadie/Jack Marston face.

  • @michaelwatson3059
    @michaelwatson3059 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I hope they come out with a part 2 for red dead Because red dead redemption is technically the first part John doesn't even acknowledge the gang the first game so in my mind the original game is obsolete where the debt redemption is part one

  • @gamesgamesgamesgay4847
    @gamesgamesgamesgay4847 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    16:43 It’s actually possible to finish chapter 2 while Micah is still in prison, and advance through a good chunk of chapter 3. So Micah must have told Dutch about Dewberry Creek before getting arrested.

  • @Totallynonplagerizedleatherguy
    @Totallynonplagerizedleatherguy หลายเดือนก่อน

    My dog, you are working with Micah.