What Makes It Different? Condor Primitive Sequoia Knife
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On the edge retention and softness, as a Filipino I'm coming from a "third world" perspective (and since Condor K&T are based out of S. America, I think I understand the design specifications). Traditionally, we don't have an abundance of resources and have thus had to make do/improvise on tools and equipment, so all things being equal, it would be better to have a softer steel or lower Rockwell # so you could easily repair on a common kitchen stone or river rock in the field than a high-end steel requiring a specialized/exotic diamond/ceramic thingy which would be quite expensive anyway.
Cost effective and readily available vs. expensive and specialized.
Great video brah! I agree the Condor 1075 Steel does not hold an edge like it should. I believe this is intentional for ease of sharpening and repair in the field. I purchased the Sequoia knife last week should be here soon. I really like the design but I was hesitant because of the price point. Also when you talk about da jungle mention Hawaii not just Florida LOL Mahalo
H.I.S Survival Its priced the way it is because of the sheath and handles lower steel saves money for better handles and a better sheath compare this knife to any of the beckers.... why does no one realize this??
Condor knows that 1075 is crap..they are slowly moving to 1095 and even Scandinavian steel.
I have one of these and the first thing I did was to slightly reprofile the edge after using it for a short time. Like many new Scandiesque grinds, the zero edge is simply too thin and will be damaged by normal use. So, a slight micro bevel makes all the difference in the world for edge strength and retention. Give it a shot brother.
Yes it does I too did the same. No issues so far chopping on mesquite.
I've had mine for a few years...good all around, I used it outside a lot and in the kitchen too. Still one of my favorites.
Your reviews are concise, succinct and relevant! Moreover you do not play distracting music which detracts from reviews. I value your expertise and experience.
Thanks Dr Dave
Great video man.I have the original Matt Graham/Condor Primitive Bush Knife,I love it.Condor has definitely stepped up their game in the past few years.
I have a couple condors but they all came came razor sharp. Great vid and sick knife!
Its a fun knife to take on a trip, chops really well
yup I'l be getting this. I held off on the first matt graham collab but this is too cool
Wow😀 sooo beautiful knife🔪 design on blade
And I like your video 😊
keep them coming great video
I love the review man and continue to appreciate all of the great info that you give us in these knife reviews keep it up!
I did just make the point about the thickness of the junglas 2 in another blade review saying that if it had a blade thickness like the sequoia it would be perfect as a potential one tool option. So I definitely agree with you about having 1095 and a good heat treat like esee does with the sequoia knife any any knife like it.
Yea I like this knife Matt does a good job with his designs. Would I buy it? No. Condor prices have gone up since their involvement with more celebrities. There are so many more choices out there at considerable less prices. So, nice knife but not for me. Nice job.
Great review and I agree! Change the metal or lower the price and I’m in, love the look of the blade. If they drop to $60 or below, I buy this now.
Every condor knife I've ever used suffered from edge damage. The most excessive abuse I do is trimming small to med size limbs off trees or maybe cutting down a small sapling.
They cheap out on steel for sure.
Awesome review. I only have one Condor knife, that's the Moonshiner. Great knife and omg can it get so razor sharp. It is softer steel, but I haven't experienced the rolling or chipping, even when used on hard wood. It does dull faster than my TOPS knives, but it doesn't hurt to carry a field sharpener. The design is phenomenal, but it would be nice to see them use 1095 or 5160 even if it may cost a little more.
Thanks for another great video! I actually waited a day to see this before I order a knife. With that price and the downsides, albeit it looks cool, I'll go with the Bk7.
I understand where you are coming from, they do need better heat treat imo but also El Salvador is mainly jungle so they need thinner blades with lower Rockwell because they are not chopping through hardwood often mainly vines and jungle brush.
Another great review
Nice knife, and on the cheap too! Cheers -From Vancouver BC 😄
Unique knife. What boots were you wearing? Looking for some new ones soon
Thanks GT!
GREAT REVIEW!!!!
Excellent review, Aaron! Completely agree with your summation - it's a cross between a big knife and a short machete - which is great as a main tool in the right environment. Like you, it really caught my eye earlier this year - the aesthetics and the design concept both appealed to me. So I'm disappointed to hear that it's not holding up well to wood processing tasks, and that the street price is still so high. Could it be a heat treatment problem with that one or that batch? Because I haven't had edge damage issues with my other Condors made of 1075.
I have not used or owned any of the Condor knives but I do like the looks of their primitive knife line cause they do have unique look to them and I do like the looks of their bushlore knives to but like I said I have not owned or used any of them hell I have not even seen any Condor knives in my area yet.
great video
Very nice man
Great video, spot on about edge retention. Price point though when comparing to esee you said this knife was too costly but better than the esee 6 except steel, the esee 6 is way too pricey in my opinion.
Can you PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do a kabar usmc gauntlet? Like the gerber strongarm??
I like your observation about who this is for
Maybe it will stay sharp longer with a microbevel? Also might prevent further edgeroll.
You are absolutely right !!! ... for $10-15 more I can get tops 12 inch machete !!! 1095 thicker stock , HR 58 !! an exelent bush tool !!! My body has one for 4 years !!! there is no task he can not handle with it in the bush. I have ontario 12 inch machete with convex 25 degree edge ... it is not as goid as tops ( steel is softer HR 55 ) but it's only $20-25 + i spend one evening to modify it's to my needs. !!))
Heat treat could be off causing edge roll. Great review.
read my mind:-)
Could be they just overheated the edge when grinding it. If so, after 3-5 sharpening you will cut away all the bad steel and get into good heat treated steel and edge retention and toughness will increase.
Bad heat treat of that particular blade or overheated sharping the blade it sounds like.
Could you review the condor primitive bush knife? By Matt Graham at some point?
Hey, Aaron. Great, fair review. Listening to your conclusions, it seems like the knife you're looking for from Condor is the Primitive Camp Knife. I have some experience with it and it's a great carver which can handle light batoning. 1095, micarta, scandi, $66.54 as I type. Check it out?
Kevin Morris sweet!
Pete Kohler video bomb! Awesome video! I think (just my opinion) the heat treat is not there in any of the Condor knives. Good starter blades for sure though!
You are absolutely right , a great design and leather sheath , but Condors steel "SUCKS" !! I have 2 Condors and the dings and rolls on the blade drove me nuts. If you want a excellent big , lightweight "choppa" with a 10" blade , that weigh's about 15 ounces , remember the Ontario SP5 ? YES , I have one , I took the coating off mine and put a great Edge Pro edge on it, I love that knife , good 1095 steel , a decent nylon De Santos sheath , and only $55.00 . Now thats a good deal . I beat the piss out of mine and never have to worry about it .
Condor should really think about up-grading their steel or do a different heat.
I agree. I have the SP5 and modified it to my needs and basically nothing compares. Did canoe tours in Scandinavia with just a Mora for foodprep and fine tastks and the SP5 for all heavy duty tasks. Never even did miss having an ax or saw. For just the copping in the jungle I would go with Tramontina but the Condors have a better look. Never had any issues with Condor to be honest but maybe they just got it wrong with this Sequoila knife?
I have the condor mini duku and its almost 3/16
Nice review! Have you checked out the Condor Primitive Bush Knife? It is about the same price if you get the Micarta scales but if you get the Walnut scales it is about $15 cheaper. I own the Bushlore with Micarta scales and I like it a lot. I have read about some people having the edge roll and some not on the same knife. Some have returned theirs and received a new one that did not have the same problem so it may be a luck of the draw sort of thing. I might consider returning it for a replacement and seeing if there is a difference. I would like to see them use a 1085 HC or a 1095 HC too although all of the Condor knives I have seen are 1075 so I am not sure that they use anything else. Thanks for sharing
Did you keep this knife
You should review the moonstalker. I have the knife it's great!
I like mine allot also except the soft edged
Thanks
You should check out the Condor heavy duty kukri
Design like a Scandinavian Leuku. Large wide but thin blade with flat & scandi grind.
It's a machete. And the original knife from Matt Graham was made out of an old machete. I do not want a machete in 1095 steel. It would break like the Ontario U.S. Machete.
A good machete is soft but hard to break; it will rather bend or twist, and in this case it can be straightened. Sometimes having a tool that is very resilient and therefore resistant to shocks and bending is preferable to a blade that retains its edge better at the cost of being more brittle.
Maybe 55.00 . Too many hard woods here. Hanging on my Bk s
Love it! nice big belly on that knife. Looks great
After observing this i feel that honestly and don't get all angry, a folding saw is so much better for the things your doing with that soft soft knife.. hey just my thoughts.. still respect the video..
No worries!
Thanks much my friend this is a lot of help. 1095 would grab me for sure. God bless and keep you 😇
One of the first things I do on all of my carbon steel knifes is put a patina on it to prevent rust!
All my condors came sharp out of the box
Thanks for the video as always my friend. No way is that condor knife worth that price. Should be about 55 to 60 dollars at most. So many better choices out there for 87 to 100 dollars.
#gideonstactical The price and edge retention would prevent me from spending that much money on it, but I love the design of the blade and handles. Actually thought the handle scales were wood at first glance.
I don't have a lot of use for a blade that rolls chopping pine.
Dear Aaron.hallo from Greece. Congrats for your grade work!!I want to make a small request...due to the fact that here in Greece our access to most of the knife brands is very limited I have after searching concluded to the benchmade bushcrafter 162 and I would very much like to hear your opinion about the knife!!a review would be very much appreciated!!
Χιου Σλοαν Ρομπινσον Πολύ καλό μαχαίρι με πολύ καλή θερμική επεξεργασία, πολύ καλό ατσάλι και κατασκευή-φινίρισμα. Είναι όμως και πολύ ακριβό γι'αυτό που είναι. Αν αγορασεις από Αμερική, έχει γύρω στα 180 δολλάρια(152ευρώ) και αν υπολογίσεις τελωνείο (σταματάνε σχεδόν τα πάντα πλέον...) και ταχυδρομικά, τότε μπορεί να φτάσεις και τα 250ε. Δηλαδή λίγο πιο φθηνά απ΄τα 280 ευρώ που έχει πχ στο survivalclub στην Αθήνα. Το θεωρώ πολύ ακριβό, τη στιγμή που και αρκετοί Αμερικάνοι ισχυρίζονται το ίδιο, με τα 180$ που θα δώσουν...
Με μια πιο κοντινή ματιά, πρόσεξε τα εξής: α) τις τετραγωνισμένες/πλακέ λαβές του με τις σχετικά απότομες γωνίες β) το "φούσκωμα'' τους βρίσκεται πολύ μπροστά και πέφτει πάνω στον δείκτη και τον μεσαίο ενώ θα έπρεπε να βρίσκεται στη μεση της λαβής εκεί που πέφτει ο μεσαίος και ο παράμεσος γ) εκεί που στενεύουν είναι ίσως πιο στενές από ότι πρέπει. Αυτά τα τρία πιθανόν να κάνουν το κράτημα του αφύσικο και έτσι είναι πιθανόν τα χέρια σου να κουράζονται πολύ σύντομα, πολύ συχνά. Αρκετοί έχουν βρει τη λαβή του, γενικώς άβολη.
Η θήκη του επίσης, είναι από σχετικά λεπτό, ευαίσθητο suede δέρμα, λίγο στενή και χωρίς οπή για να απομακρύνονται τυχόν σταγόνες που έχουν μείνει πάνω στη λεπίδα, μετά από χρήση στη βροχή. Επίσης, με τη θήκη περασμένη στη ζώνη του παντελονιού σου, θα δεις ότι το τέλος της λαβής του μαχαιρού "κάθεται" πολύ ψηλά, μέχρι τα πλευρά σου. Δηλαδή θα "σκάβει" συνεχώς τα πλευρά σου και ίσως με μια απότομη κίνηση μπορεί να πάθεις χειρότερη ζημιά. Για να το διορθώσεις αυτό, θα πρέπει να αγοράσεις έξτρα (ή να βρεις έναν δερματά να στο φτιάξει), ένα dangler. Ένα λεπτό μήκος δέρματος δηλαδή, με κουμπιά τρουκς και δύο θηλιές (δηλαδή σε σχήμα Β). Η μία θηλιά θα περαστεί στον κρίκο και η άλλη στη ζώνη σου ένω θα μπορείς να το αφαιρείς ξεκουμπώνοντας τα τρουκς. Έτσι το μαχαίρι θα "πέσει" πιο κάτω, στον μηρό. Για τόσο ακριβό μαχαίρι, αυτή η θήκη δεν είναι τίποτα σπουδαίο. Πάντως στο TH-cam υπάρχουν πολλά reviews, για μια πιο ολοκληρωμένη εικόνα.
Κατά τη γνώμη μου υπάρχουν το ίδιο καλά bushcraft μαχαίρια με λιγότερα χρήματα όπως πχ τα TBS Boar, Grizzly, Wolverine και Timberwolf (Αγγλία), το Casstrom No10 Forest knife (Σουηδία-Ισπανία, το έχω και είναι εξαιρετικό), το Enzo Trapper(Φινλανδία) και σίγουρα τα LaRocca Custom Bushcraft και Large Bushcraft(Αμερική). Φυσικά τα ευρωπαϊκά είναι χωρίς δασμούς, έτσι;
Αν τώρα θέλεις οπωσδήποτε να ξοδευτείς, στα ίδια χρήματα με το 162, αλλά με "more bang for your money", τα αμερικάνικα LT Wright Genesis και GNS και τα Quickhatch Trapper, Quicklore και The Bushman, είναι όλα κορυφαία. Φυσικά, οτιδήποτε από την Bark River (Αμερική) και τέλος, το Utvaer της νορβηγικής Helle. Ελπίζω να βοήθησα. Καλές αγορές!
Good video,but I think I'll stick with my TOPS BOB. I can beat on it all day and not worry about edge retention.
After a few sharpenings, edge problems will cease, ive experienced that in my hudson bay
Funnily there are clones out already. Just found one at a german knife show.
This very design is what caused me to quite condor, it's a $40 machete with $70 worth of decorations. And don't hold your breath for a 1095 upgrade, it'll still be at the same rockwell of 55, they make 1095 blades now and that's what the rockwell is on them. Instead I wish other makers would start making thinner blades on some of their knives.
What about the moonstalker
The only condor I will have ever gotten will be the bushlore. It was not ground well at all, the handle scales weren't lined up, and it was just too much money for something of that poor of quality for me.
Probably just needs more convex. They should take the effort used to put runes on the blade and direct it to making the edge profile work with the steel choice. Nothing wrong with 1075. Condor just doesn't get the most out of it.
Paul Lackey I understand that
Paul Lackey Baryonyx knife company modifies the edge, if you select special grade. But I hear that Condor is notorious for not putting good edges.
like the design it looks great, but for 87 bucks i will
pass.great work Aaron:-)
it's not the tool you would take to the woods... point blank. its a jungle blade.
DreBluntz a jungle blade? You know MG lives in utah, right? Hes not a jungle guy and his knife designs tend to reflect that. He does thin knives mostly for weight reduction
Skrama Bush tool vs sequoia???
I hate Condor's grinds. I convex my edges (and sometimes the grind itself to an extent, if it is especially steep) and the point is to take off the shoulders. Not thin it out a ton, but definitely not make it steeper. Condor's grinds have a sharp transition (shoulder) from edge to grind, and they are steep and blunt, both seem like half-assed ways to make a durable "convexed" edge knife while saving money on production.
A bit harder steel, a bit thicker, and like a broken back seax ie drop point but also a bit "higher" back ie more rhombic with the point in line of the handle then I would buy it.
Very cool looking knife but I've had nothing but bad experiences with Condor's 1075 steel. not for me.........
To expensive for what it is. Good video thanks.
Being 3mm spin thickness, that's why its light.
Blades already been proven from years of Matt graham basically using the same knife in the wilderness for years.its only 1075 with a thin blade it’s gonna role.To exspensive $50 is more like it for a condor in 1075 steel.I do luv the look though it’s pretty 😁.
i am a fan of matt,but 80 bucks!i will pass.,nice job as always Aaron;-)
I'm surprised you can baton with a knife that thin I wouldn't take a chance lol I think I'd prefer the essee
Casey Bryan the strength of this style of knife is in the "height" of the blade, not the thickness. Plus aaron is in Colorado - mostly soft woods like pine
I feel like the extra cost is simply paying for the name attached to it... which is silly of course.
Feyd Darkholme this shouldn’t be that much more
is that a scandi grind I see?
With headphones It's like listening to someone spitting, drooling into ur ears lol nice blade tho
I have a Condor Bushlore, it's meh. Looks good but dulls quickly. Probably won't buy anything else from them.
I own 2 bushlores and it seems the one I bought later on has better wood on the handle and will keep a good edge even after opening a can of baked beans. The first one I bought seemed to dull very quick however. Kinda like rolling the dice with condor.
This knife looks more like a thin machete and the Esse is more of a chopper. This Condor would work better chopping huge green material but I wouldn’t try chopping hard wood with a blade that thin and light
Like a Short machete might as well just get a tramotina in 12 inches
I bought two Condors and they were trash. Mine roll like that too.
I have a Varan and an Machete. My machete is much better than the Varan though.
I have the knife I m a sucker for buy it the only thing good about that knife it s the handle
Condor used to be one of my favorite companies, but once they became overly proud of themselves and started charging like $85+ for all of their stuff, they basically lost me as a customer. There was a ton of their 2017 things I wanted, but I only ended up with 2 of them, compared to previous years where I was buying almost all their new stuff.
Survival Its priced the way it is because of the sheath and handles lower steel saves money for better handles and a better sheath compare this knife to any of the beckers.... why does no one realize this??
So please explain to me the point of battoning? And I mean someone who has a good reason, not some "expert"
William Mowery I baton all the time to get kindling what it’s hard to find or when my wood that I’m using for a fire is wet.
William Mowery crafting
If the point of battoning needs explanation then you probably won’t get it... you need to spend time in the outdoors, building fires and bushcrafting, then you will find the answer for yourself.
It sounds like yours had a bad heat treat
I like the design but don't like edge rolling. So maybe (probably) it is overpriced indeed.
I bought one Condor knife, (primitive bush knife) never again! They only have a email contact ( no phone number on their website) and they don't answer emails either.... HORRIBLE customer service!
Reminds me of a kitchen knife....hmmm🤔
Remember..... Native Americans survive type knife were nothing more that western kitchen knifes
Big blades purpose is to chop light weight just does not do it this does not take brain surgery . But then again a good silky will just toast any knife on the market
$75 with 1095 and 3/16" or 1/4" that's what it should be...
yours has a bad heat treat
Knife like axe:)
#mailbag why won’t you answer my bow e or buoy pronunciation? You’ve skipped my questions on two #mailbag already?
I just got the condor jungolo not to long ago and it's great. I think condor has had mixed quality in the past but they are really stepping up their game.
th-cam.com/video/fqRjQbKBbAw/w-d-xo.html
My video on the condor jungolo
Well done video... but it's difficult to polish, color in, and make funky drawings on a turd. Sugar-coating the design plus adding some outdoor celebrity reality TV 'fashionation' is primitive at best. Pricing with regard to what you get is cockamamie. Codor may have its following... but the unfinished lacking quality control is 4th world stuff. It has no business even remotely compared/contrasted with the Esee knives. I'm not an Esee fanboy either, however I recognize their good quality materials, workmanship, and reliability. I would grab a 7"-10" OKC old-Hickory before I'd run the woods with this silly/frilly blade or put a little handle on a Cold Steel Bushman. Again good video... not a great knife... ridiculous asking price.
I have several Condor knives but they all have a lousy edge retention. My Condor bushlore is the worst of all 👎👎
$90 for a knife whose edge rolls with normal, albeit hard use? I'll pass. I have watched your channel for years and don't remember a knife review where the edge rolled so easily. It is a big knife and should be used for bigger jobs, but the steel cannot take it.
Condor is gypping people with this cheap steel. I'll stick with Ontario.