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Kinetic Precision NH
United States
เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 21 มิ.ย. 2022
We are continuously learning about precision machining, surface grinding, and other topics in making and engineering. Talking with those who are experts is a great way to learn, and putting what they suggest to the test is a common theme on this channel. SUBSCRIBE and join us on this journey!
Kinetic Precision grew out of the need for prototyping specialty antennas in support of AntennaSys, Inc. and its consulting and low-volume production needs. We have produced antennas which have been thousands of feet deep in the ocean and to the edge of space.
We make and sell the famous PFG Stones®. Others make stones, but ours are PFG!
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Links for products/designs mentioned are at pfg.gg/links
Follow me on Instagram at "spencer_webb_nh".
("PFG Stones®" is a registered trademark of Kinetic Precision)
Kinetic Precision grew out of the need for prototyping specialty antennas in support of AntennaSys, Inc. and its consulting and low-volume production needs. We have produced antennas which have been thousands of feet deep in the ocean and to the edge of space.
We make and sell the famous PFG Stones®. Others make stones, but ours are PFG!
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Links for products/designs mentioned are at pfg.gg/links
Follow me on Instagram at "spencer_webb_nh".
("PFG Stones®" is a registered trademark of Kinetic Precision)
Heat Treating 52100 Steel for the ToolMakers Flat - Part 2
In which we finish the heat treatment on the first prototype of the ToolMakers Flat.
The part has been quenched from the austentitizing, and went right into cryogenic treatment in liquid nitrogen overnight. In this video, we do the first temper, surface grinding, and second cryo and final temper.
Lapping is the next step.
Part 1 is here: th-cam.com/video/e6o23betLjM/w-d-xo.html
See the PFG.Live series for our live discussions about the ToolMakers Flat.
Of Clock Springs And Toolmakers Flats: th-cam.com/users/live7WQMzInZrNA
Many thanks to Robin Renzetti @ROBRENZ for his favorite groove dimensions and kibbitzing about lapping.
Thanks to Dale Bannister (IG: WidgetWorksMfg) @TheWidgetWorks for the gift of nickel-alloy TIG wire.
Thanks to Dr. Larrin Thomas @KnifeSteelNerds for the data in his book and web site and his continuing nerdosity.
Thanks to the NIST (formerly the NBS) @NIST for both data and motivation.
References:
Knife Steel Nerds: "How to heat-treat 52100" knifesteelnerds.com/2019/05/13/how-to-heat-treat-52100/
NIST paper: nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/jres/64C/jresv64Cn3p175_A1b.pdf
*** WARNING: Do NOT attempt to use liquid nitrogen without adequate training and safety equipment. It should never be stored in a sealed container (it will explode). It should never be used in an enclosed, un-ventilated space because it may displace oxygen and cause hypoxia (lack of oxygen potentially leading to death). It should never be transported in the passenger compartment of a vehicle. Do NOT attempt to use liquid nitrogen without adequate training and safety equipment. ***
Links for products/designs mentioned are at pfg.gg/links
Follow me on Instagram at "spencer_webb_nh".
("PFG Stones®" is a registered trademark of Kinetic Precision)
The part has been quenched from the austentitizing, and went right into cryogenic treatment in liquid nitrogen overnight. In this video, we do the first temper, surface grinding, and second cryo and final temper.
Lapping is the next step.
Part 1 is here: th-cam.com/video/e6o23betLjM/w-d-xo.html
See the PFG.Live series for our live discussions about the ToolMakers Flat.
Of Clock Springs And Toolmakers Flats: th-cam.com/users/live7WQMzInZrNA
Many thanks to Robin Renzetti @ROBRENZ for his favorite groove dimensions and kibbitzing about lapping.
Thanks to Dale Bannister (IG: WidgetWorksMfg) @TheWidgetWorks for the gift of nickel-alloy TIG wire.
Thanks to Dr. Larrin Thomas @KnifeSteelNerds for the data in his book and web site and his continuing nerdosity.
Thanks to the NIST (formerly the NBS) @NIST for both data and motivation.
References:
Knife Steel Nerds: "How to heat-treat 52100" knifesteelnerds.com/2019/05/13/how-to-heat-treat-52100/
NIST paper: nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/jres/64C/jresv64Cn3p175_A1b.pdf
*** WARNING: Do NOT attempt to use liquid nitrogen without adequate training and safety equipment. It should never be stored in a sealed container (it will explode). It should never be used in an enclosed, un-ventilated space because it may displace oxygen and cause hypoxia (lack of oxygen potentially leading to death). It should never be transported in the passenger compartment of a vehicle. Do NOT attempt to use liquid nitrogen without adequate training and safety equipment. ***
Links for products/designs mentioned are at pfg.gg/links
Follow me on Instagram at "spencer_webb_nh".
("PFG Stones®" is a registered trademark of Kinetic Precision)
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Heat Treating 52100 Steel for the ToolMakers Flat - Part 1
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In which we start heat treatment on the first prototype of the ToolMakers Flat. 52100 steel is quite old, stable, and interesting. It's a chromium steel alloy, and is used in ball bearings and gage blocks. We, of course, are interested in the latter. See the PFG.Live series for our live discussions about the ToolMakers Flat. Of Clock Springs And Toolmakers Flats: th-cam.com/users/live7WQMzInZrN...
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In which we lap the rolls to finish them. Probably. We build a fixture for the lathe to hold them, and proceed to use about 200 RPM and our custom-made hand-lap. Abrasives tested were Aluminum Oxide, Garnet (Timesaver), and Diamond. We successfully hit size match, cylindricity, and straightness. Adequately. Links for products/designs mentioned are at pfg.gg/links Follow me on Instagram at "spen...
PFG.Live 2024-0310: Crash Recovery: Just Breathe
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[This is a re-release of the PFG Live, fixing a strange audio problem about halfway in.] Rotary OD Lapping: Sine Rolls - We make a soft lap from scrap. We struggle with three different compound choices, and end up where we should have in the first place. Evaluating Round, Straight, Size - It's not trivial down in the Tenths. Crash Recovery: Just Breathe - It happened. Nobody died. Nothing broke...
Quick Chips: Restoring a sine plate, Part 9
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In which we are armed with backlash compensation, a properly dressed wheel, careful measurements, and a sense of humor. We nail down the critical dimension we were chasing, and put this part to bed. At least for functional ground surfaces. Links for products/designs mentioned are at pfg.gg/links Follow me on Instagram at "spencer_webb_nh". ("PFG Stones®" is a registered trademark of Kinetic Pre...
Quick Chips: Restoring a sine plate, Part 8
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In which we make careful measurements of the backlash in the Z axis of the Okamoto grinder. We are surprised, and then delighted by a solution from deep within the FANUC control. Links for products/designs mentioned are at pfg.gg/links Follow me on Instagram at "spencer_webb_nh". ("PFG Stones®" is a registered trademark of Kinetic Precision)
Quick Chips: Restoring a sine plate, Part 7
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In which light begins to dawn on Marble Head. Sidewheeling has it's challenges in both precision and finish. We find a way to the solution. Links for products/designs mentioned are at pfg.gg/links Follow me on Instagram at "spencer_webb_nh". ("PFG Stones®" is a registered trademark of Kinetic Precision)
Quick Chips: Restoring a sine plate, Part 6
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Quick Chips: Restoring a sine plate, part 3
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Get a Grip! Making a custom gripper for CNC production
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Tool Post Fix on the Haas TL-1 Lathe - Part 3 of 3
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Lapping It Up: Setting up for precision hand lapping
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Congratulations Sam. Hopefully we will get to see the finished piece. 👍👍😎👍👍
Neato!
Care to post model to Thingiverse or Printables?
www.printables.com/model/870014-cardboard-spool-bearing-for-prusa-i3-mk3
@@KPNH That's great! Thanks!
Given how cheap USSR flats are and how expensive monochromatic sources are, do you have any advice on budget-friendly light sources for the home gamer?
Seek the Monochromatic rabbit hole at pfg.gg/links
@@KPNH Thanks! Looks like it'll be interesting reading!
I’ve tried running a laser through a marble or something that spread the coherent laser and that works pretty well.
@@howtoguro Yeah that's kinda what I've been thinking. My biggest concern is how to know if you've spread the laser light enough to be safe. But I'm pretty conservative with regard to injuries, especially with my eyes.
@@ParallelTransport You could just wear laser shades. Even really typical clear safety squints provide some protection against lasers. Full nuclear mode would be to view it from a secondary camera and monitor. Sadly, powerful lasers are too common. I actually bought a red laser point for a “Cat Toy” because I figured it would be weaker, but it was a class 3R so be really careful.
Action starts at 3:31 (Please pin this)
Actually, I usually trim them, but it has to be the next day, at least.
👍👍😎👍👍 Those interface bands are impressive- almost like you had a plan 😊
'Pert near like a plan! 😄
Love Robbin silly
Even at 8 hours LATE, I'm delighted to have showed up. Only 2 minutes in so far and I wish to give the BIG 👍👍 to the intro hold music.
I'm still giggling. 🤣👍
I'd like to hear more after a while, as I question if your hold cycle at 1550F was long enough to soak the material Just curious.
So nice, ussr glasses =) beautiful
Thank you 🤗
An additional point: the molten salt bath definitely does not mean sodium chloride which melts at 804º C (bright red heat). I don't know which salts are recommended, and it may well be a mixture that melts at lower temperature than any of the components. GIven your low tempering temperature, molten salt may not be an option.
There's magic salts, and I've not researched them. But, I'm not going there.
@@KPNH Agreed, the salts I've seen are a mixture of sodium and potassium nitrate which are the oxidizers in black powder. Nothing you want in your home.
Hi Spencer, sorry to miss this but I was snoozing after drinking Easter brunch in one of the very picturesque clip joints in very picturesque Newport RI. I agree that a quantitative analysis of the quench process is likely to induce nausea, vomiting and collapse, but we can do some useful hand waving. The two major factors are the volumetric heat capacity of the liquid and its viscosity. You want the former should be high so less liquid is needed to remove the heat. The latter should be low to assist convection. Professor Lipton's non-intuitive recommendation to heat the oil probably serves to reduce its viscosity. Don't forget that Larrin Thomas is mainly interested in knives which are no thicker than 1/4", I'll bet your hardness pattern of softer in the center is due to inadequate heat soak. I doubt your hardness measurement is deep enough to sense the difference in quench rate between the thick and thin parts.
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Whew, that is an intense heat treat cycle! I think once upon a time we talked about using those non-contact IR guns in shiny surfaces: if you're trying to get a truly accurate temperature you'll end up having to take the emissivity of the target in to consideration (which might be pretty hard to do on a treated surface like that). In other words you might not have even been off by the 5 degrees, just the reading on the fluke. I'd bet that lab oven uses an RTD sensor and you could use that as your emissivity calibration? Looking like a very nice tool already, can't wait to see it get to the point you can ring a jo block to it!
Thanks! Yes, emissivity is important when using an IR thermometer. Basically, it's accurate for a "black-body radiator". Conveniently, our oxidized, blackened part is essentially that. BUT, a shiny ground part is the opposite, and the surface of a liquid is even worse. I'll try to post a link to an article that explains this. Thanks for your feedback! 👊
Your longer soak time will help. Keep in mind the inner section has more mass than the outer section due to the groove therefore different heat and cooling times on thin and thick sections. It is always nice to be able to heat treat the part to a higher RC then Draw back to the desired RC. At 65 RC you may be pushing the limits.
Hey, Steve, thanks for the input. Yes, I think the adjustments I'm going to try (soak time, quench temp) are going to help, but the cross-section is what it is. It not super-critical to have perfect uniformity, but it's a goal!! If I went crazy about it, I think I'd clamp on some filler material into the groove. But, that's beyond the scope here. Thanks for your wisdom!!
Steve, did I hear you say that you have changed from D2 to DC53 as your material of choice for steel parts? If so, how has this changed your heat treatment protocol?
@@carltauber2939 I use to make tools out of A2. D2 was to brittle for my projects. DC53 is a little more wear resistance than D2 and about the same toughness as A2. I send my parts to Hansen Bulk in Grand Rapids Michigan for heat treatment and have them do Cytogenetics treatment as well. The parts are even more wear resistance and tougher after Cryo and much more stable.
I made 3 lapping plates inspired by Tom Lipton using 3 plate method. Cast iron 8 inch dia 1 inch thick. I of course did not grind them by hand but programmed my CNC mill. It took hours of grinding but got a magnificent result measured by laser interferometer. You might consider mechanized lapping. In High School I made a telescope mirror but made a machine to do the work first. Watch you regularly. JY
Thanks for the info!! Tell me more about your laser interferometer. 🤓👊
looking good! ATB, Robin
Thanks, Robin! Getting closer!
I was thinking Tig welding a pad on each end of the slot and file/lap it to size.
Not sure I understand. Can you elaborate?
@@KPNH I was talking about the T nut part of the video. I thought an option there may have been to Tig weld 2 pads instead of the shim, then file them down until you have a nice fit. It was just what came to mind, Probably because I had been Tig welding the day before lol. Its probably a classic case of "The Law of The Instrument" P.S. love the video's
@@deepwinter77 That's a good idea!
should have ground it before heat treat
Nope.
grind the darn thing already!
That's what they'd be expecting. Mooohahahaha.
I usually put in some small stock and harden it with the part so I can hardness test that instead of the real part
That's a good technique! I'm concerned about the hardness versus the geometry of this part. And we learned things.
@@KPNH Yes, I saw it. At some point I was also concerned with that, but after I tested it a couple of times and it was within 0,5HRC all around everytime, I stopped worrying about it. But I usually work with quite highly alloyed steels like ESR D2 (1.2379) so that could also make a difference.
Doesn't the tempering heat yndo the LN2 treatment?
No, sir. I'll try to explain that on the PFG.Live.
Nice job, I disagree with your measurements however, and it’s a very typical outcome. If you get the right answer you move on, if you don’t you check again, and again. One result disagreement and recheck of that result, undermines every other single check measurement. I recognise at this point your feel on the parts over many process you know what is ultimately there or not. But it is interesting how tradespeople process these situations.
What would you do?
@@KPNH probably the same to be honest because if you handle the part enough you get a feel for it. I find it interesting that we question wrong answers more then right ones, despite the methods of acquiring the result being the same. High precision is not my field I am a general machinist, so I cannot provide a better method with actual experience to back it up, but the issue of judgement affects us all. I don’t know if a dial indicator on a stand would offer a less subjective result?
that looks like a commercial garage building which would be expensive as H here near Seattle
It's my garage. It's never had a car in it.
Was that a roasting rack?
Why, yes. Yes, it was. With a bit of hardware cloth wired on. 😎👍
When the surface speed drops I have noticed the tool gets sucked in. At least on my old Logan this happens.
'Tis a puzzlement.
Any chance of a hardness test after grinding? Inquiring minds.
Guess I gotta... for Science!
An interesting couple of videos with a lot more steps to doing this properly than I would have thought. I'm also looking forward to the lapping which isn't something that's shown very much.
Remember: this is a gage-block process (as close as I can make it). Simpler processes for simpler applications.
@@KPNHYes but lapping gauge blocks seems to be an extremely well guarded process. Understandable I suppose, but frustrating when you just want to know how it's actually done to hit the flatness, parallelism, surface finish and size to those levels. Possibly it's mentioned somewhere on the web, but I've been unable to even find how Carl Johansson managed to do it back in 1896 with supposedly little more than a modified sewing machine. I have a book with a complete chapter about what I think were the very first set of Johansson gauge blocks in North America. And even they don't speculate how he did it. They did manage an excellent prediction about how and what they might be used for though. Today my best guess is probably multiple same sized blocks are done at once, and possibly a bit like how precision ball bearings are made with counter rotating radial laps. (maybe) Hitting low millionths levels adds an order of magnitude of extra complexity as well. Luckily you don't need to hit any exact size, just flat, parallel and surface finish. Even that isn't exactly easy.
You can look up patents for gage-block lapping machines. It's pretty cool. But, don't expect a schedule of time and materials used.
@@KPNHThanks, for the tip, I'll certainly do that.
The precision execution looks easy from here. 👍😎👍. Love the PMF thermal isolation rings. I assume they numbered 1, 2 and 3 so you can track which was which?
That's P3! 😆
OH.... I think you were asking about the "TMF-3"... no, that is a model number TMF 3-inch!
@@KPNH 😉. Yep, I was thinking you were being clever and have them labeled 1, 2, and 3 so you can lap 1 to 2 and 2 to 3 and 3 to 1 etc. I haven’t watched part 3 yet. And of course I know nothing about such things so my comment may just be a lot of smoke. 💨😊
Great video! I love the thought process being explained on each step. Also, to note, I played French horn for a group called Thermal Distortion back in the 80’s. 🎉
I remember your hit single, "Hole Lotta Therms".
Oh Boy, more machinists nerd stuff from my favorite machinist nerd! 👍 Is it 5 degrees low or is the Ray Gun 5 degrees off? I treat those laser heat guns much like most people treat a dial caliper as a reference tool! Nice to see our friend Quasimodo earning his keep. Good stuff Spence....as always
Close enuf! If it gets the right answer it's a fluke. 😐😐🤣
@@KPNH 🤣🤣
That flag is too accurate :D
We thank @widgetworksmfg for that! 😆
I didn't notice. Did you preheat your quenching oil any? Cheers, Tom
No, sir, I did not. I am aware that this is a thing, but it wasn't done on this project.
Good stuff Spencer! ATB, Robin
Thank you, Robin!! 🫡
You'll notice that the oil only smokes when you pull the material out. There is no reason for the material to be quenching to peek out of the oil. If you dunk the part and move it around the oil, you'll get the affect of getting fresh oil on the part. There will be a bit less burnt oil on the surface and a lot less smoke.
Stirring the oil with the part being heat treated is an excellent way of inducing distortion into the part.
Another place for improvement, thanks!
Loved the "doink" at the end. It's been interesting to follow the progress on this here and on IG. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for checking in, Tom! Still having fun and learning. Stay in touch.
Lapping separates the men from the boys.
Toolmakers Flat 🎸
Super like! Great video and thank you for making this!
Thanks for the visit
I see you know how to fill a work space as well. As a pro-shop space filler, I assure you there is plenty of space for more tools. 😉
There's always room for tools. It's like dessert. 😆
Really enjoying the whole process. Great video Spencer.
Thanks 👍
Yessssss! 👌
Fascinating stuff Spencer. What eventual hardness are you aiming for?
Ideally HRC 65.
Thanks Spencer for showing is the process details 👍👍😎👍👍
You bet! 👍
Hope you get/got good results....that's quite a heat treat recipe!
I hope so too! 😆
Hmm, I wonder if 11 second oil will help my 12 second GTO. Thanks for the video.
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