The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - Caravan Of Garbage
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is a mess. The movie responsible for yet another franchise reboot despite setting up Andrew Garfield's Peter Parker and other characters for multiple spin offs, sequels and prequels. Maybe it was the inclusion of Electro, Rhino and Green Goblin, maybe it was the bit with the birthday cake, maybe it was one of the other 407 storylines. Regardless we say goodbye to this universe (for now) in this weeks Caravan Of Garbage review.
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#SpiderMan #NoWayHome
Mason is able to spot the nearly imperceptibly subtle differences in the pinstriping of Bond's suit between movies, but didn't notice this Spider-Man wasn't wearing a basketball morph suit anymore.
How are you this early
@@waxenpolecat24 Patreoners get it early
What do you mean?
He's done it again!!
Not Brioni
14:58 The fact that No Way Home does feature a funeral scene is what makes this significantly funnier
I mean it's just a grave so it's not technically a funeral but still.
@@kronemerj nah there is a funeral Peter just doesn’t go to it. iirc you can see it in the background.
@@jeffmoo9235for half a second but it still counts 😢
I was thinking the same thing
I was just gonna say! 😂
I still believe Marc Webb’s hiring was strictly due to his name.
Like how Doug Bowser is the president of Nintendo USA.
he only had one indie movie before he got hired for tasm and a couple music videos if i remember
Yeah… yeah… that seems like a pretty Sony thing to do… the theory makes too much sense.
So Avi Arad hiring by Sony is because they only export the movies in AVI?
and studio execs doing copious amounts of cocaine
It always makes me laugh how at the end there’s just crowds of people standing behind police barriers watching the Rhino’s rampage like it’s a stunt show at Disneyland.
One can argue that the crowd did the same thing when Sandman and Venom teamed up against Peter at the end of Spider-Man 3
@@MatthewVlossak Yeah that was pretty dumb too although here it’s arguably worse because the Rhino is randomly firing ballistics.
@@MatthewVlossak they're both just the real public gathered to watch the filming of the scene
@@shelbyvillerules9962 In real life, people gathered around to watch 2 burning skyscrapers collapse before they realized they should run. That's just New Yorl.
@@thedarkemissary They didn’t think there was anything to worry about because -REDACTED- can’t melt -REDACTED- 😏
That list of barely developed spin-offs brought back some memories.
I'd say 2014 was a simpler time, but this movie doesn't make it feel that way
Right... Aunt May solo!
Aunt may spy solo, I remember this
“Man… brings back some memories.”
Imagine if Venom was actually in the Amazing universe though
If you watch the deleted scene with Peter’s Dad. Andrew Garfield goes all out with his acting. His range of emotion in that scene is crazy. Such a talented actor
Oh my god thank you for getting me to go watch that. Incredible!
Deleted scenes could have made movie be better
@@xxdeckxxdumanyan7413 that scene was removed for the 3rd film, which never came (obviously)
@@gustasborusas6355 true it didn’t get the third movie yet but after no way home people want to see Andrew Garfield back on the screen people he was a great Spider-Man
@@xxdeckxxdumanyan7413 that’s like saying all the deleted scenes from any movie could of made the movie better. There’s a lot of movies that do this
I am surprised the boys didn't mention Peter's "For You" wall of crazy montage and then later on in the film he just tears it down - massive waste of time. What did that prove? YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SMART, PETER PARKER
They actually mention that in the trivia section of the extended audio edition.
@@Turd_Rocket I stand corrected! I shouldn't have doubted our m8s
@@spiderdom3296 for shame... Into the bin, m8!
The problem with the Basement of Origins at the end wasn't the fact any of that particular technology had been developed and existed in any form, but that it was all presented in its final form. Imagine in _Batman Begins_ if Bruce went to Wayne Enterprises and met with Fox, but was taken to a coded locker and inside was a full batsuit - ears, logo, cape, batarangs, everything already there and ready to go. Same thing.
Agreed, it would have ruined the characters of Doc Ock and the Vulture if their tech was just given to them
@@SirFratt Yeah Spectacular had them work for Oscorp in a way that didn't feel shoehorned
Additional Feige note: “Harry should eat a radioactive corn cob and turn into Corn of Coblin
Harry Osborne eats corn the long way
He’s gobblin up all that corn they’ll say!
Wow! Feige really is a visionary!
@@tylerp4494 Stuff like this is why the MCU is so successful
@@jonasquinn7977 Hence the name
"Rather than be bald, Electro should wear a baseball cap, and when people see electro, they will just assume he has a full head of lush, healthy hair beneath the cap, and he's a baseball fan" - _Kevin Fige_
LMAO
Electro: love the Mets, let’s go Mets. Hit a home run
The scene where he puts on the fireman hat and helps the other fire fighters is genuinely delightful. It works so well as a visual gag, we need more costumed Spider-man wearing different hats.
Spidey's personality is the main saving grace of these movies.
It is good but again like with the truck he stopped saving people to grab a hat
Elements like this ripped straight off the comic page just give it that spider man and comic feel that I love.
I don't like that because he shouldn't be allowed to use a hose with them not being trained. The thing that made Spiderman work in the Raimi films was law enforcers begrudgingly letting him go and putting up with him. In this they act like they should bow in his presence. It feels too unnatural for a fireman to let him do this alongside him.
@@byronsenior6499 i imagine they wouldnt be too worried about a dude with super strength helping them aim the hose
Damn No Way Home failed the graveyard scene challenge lmao.
I thought about saying the exact same thing so I checked if anyone got to it before me
Yep lol, looking for this comment.
The Australia project no doubt refers to Spider-Man's archnemesis, the Kangaroo.
Don't forget the emus. We lost that war.
I wish it was that awesome lol
I just looked it up and I was going to comment 😂.
Further reading
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_(comics)
I love the way they just ignored every note Kevin gave them, the arrogance of these Sony producers is just mindboggling.
he didnt read all the notes, so maybe they didnt ignore everything
The thing is, Sony got sent notes from Marvel executive Alan Fine as well (he's the right hand man of Ike Perlmutter *cue sinister music*)... and ignored them too.
They are absolutely right about Avi Arad though, this movie showed that he clearly didn't know what he was doing. In fact, the hack revealed that Amy Pascal, who was the Sony Studio Chairwoman at the time, was seriously considering replacing him with someone else as the head producer of the Spider-Man movies. Then again, she stepped down shortly afterwards when racist comments were revealed in the same hack about then-US President Barrack Obama through a conversation she was having with Scott Rudin (I think) - who has a reputation as having one of the biggest tempers in all of Hollywood.
Man, terrible people ALWAYS run in the same circles.
To be fair, he wasn't much of anything. Just some guy at another studio. All he had at the time were Iron Man 1 & 2 (neither of which were hugely successful) and The Incredible Hulk (which wasn't even really his). So, it wasn't like he was super accomplished.
@@thedarkemissary At least in the movies sector. Arad was bigger in the TV and toys side of things (90s Spider-Man and X-Men are owed to him), but I believe at the time he was still out-of depth when producing feature films.
@@thedarkemissary and Thor, Captain America, The Avengers, Iron man 3, Thor 2 & Guardians… it came out in 2014 my dude.
In the plane crash, would the Sony Vaio have even been invented by then? That’s a flashback to when Peter was a kid right?
Immediately what I thought!
It would have close, depending on Peter's age in the movie. The first Viao laptops were released in '96, so if Peter was 18 at the end and the movie came out in 2014, then yes they should have been around for the plane crash.
lmfaoo
What Feige meant in the note at 18:41 was to reduce some of the scenes which had Peter being emotional so that when we see Peter fully breakdown at the death of Gwen, we can truly feel what he feels. He wasn't exactly critiquing Andrew's acting skills themself.
Ya there’s kind of a screenwriting rule that a character should only cry once in a movie, or they’ll look like an emotional wreck.
I think the scenes are great separately but altogether is a mess
Completely agree. I've only ever watched it the once and that's all I thought, individual scenes work but the whole thing is a baggy blancmange that falls apart under the weight of it all.
Yea that about sums it up
The movie has 3 editors and its so noticeable!
@@BLACULA-Skeewoah I don't think the number of editors is the problem. It's the screenplay and the amount of irrelevant crap that was inserted into the movie.
Yeah it’s one of those movies where if you go look up individual scenes on TH-cam you’ll see loads of people in the comments saying “This movie is underrated” or “Why do people always say this is a bad movie?”
The problem is that altogether it’s just a mess.
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Did not pass the Don't Do a Funeral Challenge.
I saw a Sony Vaio in real life. I won it from McDonald's in a Casino Royale promotion. It was... well it was certainly a thing you could call a laptop.
To be fair, it's the only commercially available laptop that can play VHS tapes.
I got mine in a Blummin Happy Meal GOTTEMM!!!!!!
I can’t believe that, while discussing the magic blood meaning Peter could bring anyone back to life, neither of you said “with great bloody power comes great bloody responsibility”
I wouldn’t mind Gwen becoming spider Gwen in this universe… Emma stone just does the part really well
Bringing her back would ruin Peters arc
Spider-Gwen works because she is the spider hero of her universe and the parallel of her Peter dying. Universes where Gwen and Peter exist in the same universe never work in my opinion.
@@marvelfantasy472 I'd disagree. It's taken as a given now with younger folks that Peter gets with MJ, but Gwen was his one true love when she was alive. They've even mentioned that in the "modern" day comics with Peter and MJ. I actually disagree with our Mr. Sunday Movies here that Gwen was only interesting when she came back. Obviously a different era of comics but that speaks to someone that is obviously younger and not that invested in Spider-man lore.
@@IcyDiamond I don't think so, I think they might change some stuff from Spiderman 3 and TASM 2
@@infernalpyris52 Maybe so
14:57
CHALLENGE FAILED
That’s the first genuine reaction Jimmy Fallon has ever given I think. Even he was like “Andrew that’s bullshit and you know it.”
As Andrew puts his hands up to the sniper Marvel Studios hired in case he pulls a Mark Ruffalo/Tom Holland
well, there is no funeral in no way home, but he does go to a cemetery (but, it's not the last scene)
One of my biggest pet peeves of this movie is the ludicrous idea of us the audience being expected to invest in Harry and Peter's "friendship". Yeah I've also got some millionaire childhood best friends I never mention or have any prior interaction with
I think the real problem is that Peter doesn’t come across as super invested in trying to find a way to save Harry. The dude was literally gonna leave his best friend to die a painful death alone so that he could go to England with Gwen.
The MCU success was really a curse for films like this, if Sony and DC hadn't been in such a rush to catch up and capitalise on the cinematic universe idea then films like this wouldn't have been such a mess.
Agreed.
The MCU worked in its infanttsy due to its incredibly slow build. Always one thing at a time (except iron man 2). All thr other guys trying to play catch up decided, "yup everything at once otta do it!"
@@jesse1086 and maybe Age Of Ultron with Thor in the pool that Marvel Studios pushed to include as an ad for Infinity War and Thor Ragnarok
I do honestly feel for Garfield in these movies. Like, im sure his bank account is fine regardless, but the dude really really REALLY loved spider man and having all this go down... it sucks tbh. Any other movie , I genuinely think he'd be the best interpretation of the character.
Edit: YEAH CALLED IT
14:11 That line “Isn’t *that* the question of the day” has been ingrained in my memory ever since I saw that trailer back in 2014
I wish someone loved me as much as James loves ripples in the suit
Whelp, no funeral but a grave site visit in NWH... so... win...?
Mason predicted “No Way Home” failing the funeral challenge
13:48 "instead she's Goblin up these bloody floor boards" had me dead
That Gwen "white widow" ending is straight up the she hulk origin.
Still a cool idea in my opinion
Blood transfusion powers is a trope older than Dracula
Honestly a better idea than killing her off, since these movies didn't really have a supporting cast outside the two leads (ergo, once you kill off Gwen, Peter's got basically no other characters to interact with other than his aunt).
The first five Spider-Man movie endings: Four Funerals and a Wedding.
Does anyone remember the really weird cut when Max is talking to himself in the apartment and he suddenly looks over his shoulder like he hears something and then makes a crazy face and it cuts really abruptly to the next scene. It's like a tim and Eric edit.
wasn't he talking to his mum?
Apparently that was his mom that they cut out from the film
15:00 challenge failed 😭
The only thing I remember was liking the ending with Rhino & how stupid Electro looked.
I thought Electro looked cool
Beginning swing scene was top tier
hahahaha!
I think that's plenty.
What
Peter does visit a grave in No Way Home, but there's no funeral. None of the Watts trilogy movies have a funeral... But Civil War, Endgame, and Into The Spider-Verse all do.
At 27 minutes it really feels like they barely scratched the surface of this movie and could have discussed it even more
They actually do discuss it more in the extended audio edition.
I listened to it as well
Watched this a good few times over the years.
“She’s goblin up these floor boards” made me dirty laugh today 🤣👌🏾
TBF it’s only been 1 year lol
@@directorforplastic7929 however long 🤷🏾♂️🤣 I rewatch them all the time. Little James told me it’d been a few years … the little shit.🙄🤣
The thing that bothers me the most about this movie, is that I can just feel there is a good film in here. If Sony wouldn't have pushed their sinister 6 agenda. It might of actually been good. I think we need a Mark Web Cut.
Who was that person that Harry was talking to at the end, was it Doc Ock?
@@IcyDiamond It was actually the guy who had the idea to make the Sony Vaio
@@mikester4896 Oh so it’s the classic Spider-Man villain Vaio Man
@@IcyDiamond The Gentleman. Look it up.
@@jaredballoonboy7944 Is that his actual villain name?
peering into feige’s mind threw his notes was super cool i must say
Just here to say nwh lost the no funeral scene challenge
looking for this comment lol
Ben finding a clip of Fred Flinstone getting electrocuted in some niche game is peak editing
They failed the don’t do a funeral challenge 😞
Not really. We didn't see the funeral, just Peter visiting the grave.
i literally was about to comment this lmao
It was always bananas to me that Peter just wouldn't give Harry the blood. He is your "best friend" that is dying ffs.
The movie tries to explain this by saying that Peter's blood could cause Harry's condition to accelerate, which doesn't make any sense.
Why can't Spidey tell Harry that his blood may be incompatible with him?
Harry is the CEO of Oscorp, a company that has the best scientists in the world, surely they could have devised a cure for him using a blood sample from Peter.
@@jaredballoonboy7944 Probably because he just had to deal with someone turning into a monster in the last movie and didn’t want to chance that happening to his best friend.
@@jaredballoonboy7944 I feel an easy way they could've explained it, since Peter is a science nerd, just have him get a sample of Harry's blood, do some tests on it with his, and have him find out his blood is actually incompatible. Peter wanting to help his friend but finding an actual supported reason why he shouldn't give Harry his blood instead of just going "Nah" would've been a lot more sensical.
He might has well not have shown up if he didn't want any conflict. Man they made Pete into a asshole in this film
Lmfaoo literally called it on the nwh funeral scene
Spider-Gwen wasn't created until late 2014 after this movie was shot and released, there is no way that rumoured ending with her being in her Spider-Gwen costume is real.
They mention that in the trivia section of the extended audio edition.
funeral scene challenge: failed👍🏽
I was watching Tilt the Room at my local JB-Hi-Fi while watching this. These are the only pieces of Australian culture I dare interact with, lest I risk Grant Denya's wrath
I've never heard of it, but I'm definitely going to look for clips now.
Your 50th like. Glad to give you the Big Pineapple.
You were watching it on your Sony Vaio I'm assuming
beware the dropbear squatting in the rafters
Kevin Feige unfortunately failed the Spider-Man: No way Home Don’t-Do-a-Funeral Challenge™
It still really bothers me that when Electro was doing his zappy zap stuff in Times Square, everyone started running up the Red Steps..... but they don't go anywhere.....
I think there was water on the ground which is what the people were trying to get away from. but yeah, it’s a bit weird and hard to track.
The tiny specific thing that totally ruined Gwen's death for me was the absolute tool who thought it was soooo clever to animate Spidey's web to look like a tiny hand reaching out for her made me laugh out loud in the cinema.
What makes symbolism work is if the audience notices the SUBTLE details. Not if it is so glaringly obvious. Something like that was made to be laughed at.
The fact Gwen Stacy is supposedly just out of high school and yet works at oscorp and know the full inner workings of the city electrical grid still annoys me. Nonsense
Maybe she’s been an intern for a few years? Or they have a program for bright teens to work there during summertime? It’s possible. A lot of major corporations have recruiting programs like that for young people.
She was interning for them back in the first movie so maybe she's been interning for a couple of years
If she had just graduated and was normal, and went to college for STEM, probably getting an internship after sophomore year, but she's sort of a super genius right? I've met ppl who had amazing internships in college freshman year its not that far fetched I think
Love that bit about NWH not having a funeral
Feige did pass the no funeral test.
Not Spider-Man related, but a lot of what came out of that Email hack was fascinating. I want to see a video on it, like the proposed 21 Jump Street/Men in Black crossover MiB23.
I would’ve rather got that then Men In Black International
Kevin Feige didn't listen.
To who about what?
Inject the Feige notes directly into my veins please. I love it.
I love putting the clip of SpongeBob and Patrick holding in laughter over these two laughing. I don't know, James and Maso just give off the same vibe as those two. It just fits really well
no way home had a funeral XD
One of my favorite things about these videos is how they casually bring up obscure old news or behind the scenes almosts and maybes that i would not have known about otherwise
Ikr. Hearing Kevin Feige's notes was amazing.
I have a confession: this is my guilty pleasure film. I love this movie. I love Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man, I love the way his suit looks, I love the villain designs, the romance (even if the end of it bothers me like it does everyone else). It’s a mess, but it’s mess that I love
Yeah same, I'm with you.
Yeah i agree. Andrew is probably my favorite spiderman.
Me too
lol yup, this movie is one of a kind whether you love it or hate it. It's so rewatchable because even the bad scenes are entertaining or amusing and the good parts are just so good
I like the first suit way better
"If there's a funeral scene, just take it out!" 😬
Wow, I completely forgot Black Cat was in the movie.
You’re not alone
I have worked at JB Hi-Fi for 8 years now and I’m fairly certain we have never sold Sony VAIO’s lmao
Spoilers for No Way Home:
There's a got-damn gravestone scene.
3:30 the best live action suit to this day imo
14:58...LMAO
Unpopular Opinion: I kinda liked Electro in this movie, I just wish he got more screen time compared to Green Goblin
Electro was sick after rewatching it
I'm glad they brought him back for NWH. Foxx was great with what he had.
What are you talking about? Electro was the films main villian he had the most screentime, goblin was there for about 8 minutes, you really think electro need just 8 more minutes?
@@Wade_N Agreed 100%
@@civilcynic3725 Well Harry before he becomes Goblin has way more screen time than Electro did
If Gwen Goblin doesn’t show up in No Way Home I’ll be sorely disappointed.
Huh? Are you talking about this Green Goblin?
@@IcyDiamond no he isn't
@@blackmantis3130 Yeah I realize that now lol
rip
Looks like they failed the "No Funeral Challenge"
They should have casted the hologram of Michael Joseph Jackson as J.J. Jameson.
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It was Aunt May
Now technically. NWH didn't do a funeral. Just showing up at a graveyard.
So the reassessment is... "It's stupid fun if you give yourself a concussion so you forget the right 40-60 minutes"? Sounds complicated
Sad to report no way home failed the No Funeral Challenge 😔
The opening web swing is one of my favorite openings to anything ever
Spiderman films before No way home.
"4 Funerals and a Jilting"
Mason's done it again, he predicted a funeral scene in the new spiderman movie...curse you Mason!!!
Loving how Ben apparently thinks the flute is played.
He predicted aunt may
The funeral prediction came to pass.
No way home failed the funeral challenge
My favorite part of the movie , is when Peter is trying to save Gwen and the web he shoots forms a small hand to reach out for her
Between skipping over that, and saying that Gwen's body _did_ hit the ground, surely the boys are just trying to start some kind of civil war in the comments.
Gwen didn't hit the ground don't @ me.
@@Taurusus Gwen's head snaps back and hit the ground
@@PatGencarelli it doesn't. Her hair does. I've scanned that thing frame by frame!
@@Taurusus I mean she would have died either way but yeah I didn’t see her hit the ground
Technically Spider-Man no way home didn’t have a funeral just him visiting aunt May’s grave
I just realised that all the pre-MCU Sony Spider-Man movies are just the same Science Experiment Gone Wrong That Turned You Evil Somehow. Whereas the villains for every release afterwards (Homecoming, FFH, Spider-Verse, Venom, Venom 2) have emphatically NOT been that.
Yeah all mcu spiderman villains were made by tony stark
Tbf that is how most spider man villains were made
Also three out of five pre MCU Spider-Man movies deal with Peter's mentors and father figures becoming Jekyll/Hyde villains.
Mcu spidey is beyond pathetic and trash, disgrace to everything
It got annoying by the second movie and none of there plans made sense lol.
15:19 this edit of Andrew screaming WHATT then cutting to something else is just so great
I feel like the overly quippy start was an overcompensation response to people complaining the first wasn't quippy enough
Which is weird since I definitely felt like Garfield was the more quippy of the two Spider-Men at the time
@@jonasquinn7977 he’s still got that top tier. MCU Peter doesn’t make jokes he just makes references to old stuff
@@creed8712 I see where you’re coming from and you’re probably right that he’s the more traditionally quippy Spider-Man but personally I like the Tom Holland take with him being somewhat quippy but still growing
But to each their own
@@jonasquinn7977 difference between tom and andrew's spidey quips is delivery. Tom mumbles his as he's still growing like you say. Andrew delivers his really well. The small knives scene gets me all the time haha
I just realized I never saw this movie. I heard TH-cam channels talk about this movie for years and somehow assumed I saw this. I know the set pieces and the story, only from reviews.
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They lost the funeral challenge :(
What if Andrew attended the important VAIO meeting and he didn't get fired.
He would have ended up killing Gwen Stacey's mom in the next movie more than likely... just burning through that Stacey family tree there Peter...
here's some trivia for you: gustav fiers was played by actor michael massee, who accidentally and tragically shot and killed brandon lee on the set of The Crow
The piece of the movie that really lost me was Peter just straight-up stalking Gwen. It made him someone I could not relate to or sympathize with at all.
he was keeping tabs on the woman he loved because he couldn't fully. let her go
He was using his superpowers to follow and spy on someone, rather than helping people in need. Even a kids show like Miraculous Ladybug gets that that's not cool.
@@jordanweston9670 Yes, that's stalking.
The post credits scene I wanted for NWH was Garfield going back to hus universe and meeting Mary Jane for the first time
he did the funeral🤣🤣
"just take the funeral out" lol
i personally love the ending where Spiderman shows up behind the kid and reignites hope in everyone. ending the movie with a triumphant shot.
Same ! how good is it
@@jordanweston9670 Its Amazing
Nice know the editors are aware of "For You" in the soundtrack. Would be interested to know if they liked it or not, I've seen many reviews where they are either way on this song.
I’d say the opening sequence is easily the best live action web slinging we’ve ever seen