John Adams disowns his drunken son - (John Adams - 2008 HBO Series)
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- Charles Adams was the second eldest son of the 2nd U.S. President John Adams. Charles considered John as a "neglectful father" as a child when John Adams left part of his family to Europe to be a diplomat in France, Netherlands, and Great Britain. This negatively affected Charles's development. He became a drunk in his adult age, he made extramarital relationships, and made poor financial decisions. By the fall of 1799, John Adams disowns Charles, which he never spoke to again. Then in late 1800, Charles died in New York City of liver inflammation from the alcohol, making Charles the first presidential child to die while his father was in office.
Note: This content was from the 2007 HBO series "John Adams" and is owned by its creators, and HBO and Play films, which deserves all of the credit for how they made a show all about the life of one of America's greatest founding fathers.
A president just walking through the city alone. Up until President Coolidge’s time, any citizen could walk up to the front door of the White House and knock!
This was during a period when people could live a whole lifetime and never know the face of one president.
The people's house. Obummer stopped tours. A man was upset with Jackson, walked through the front door, tried to shoot him, it misfired and stonewall beat him with his cane.
They didn't even recognize him. This was before smart phones and social media.
@@whoknowswhocares885 I wish that I lived in such times.
And I had an Aunt who would take the Tram and see Harry S. Truman taking his morning walk, ALONE. And one day a man yelled "Why ya walking, Harry?" And he yelled right back "To pass gas!"
It's crazy how times have changed. imagine the president walking up to you in an alley and calling you sir today
It was a time before the Secret Service, and Before before the minuet men were no longer wasting time reloading.
@@kylenelson9755 Not to mention it preceded photograph technology so only people who'd met these men would know what they actually looked like, so probably safer for them, even so I wouldn't go round a neighbourhood as rough as that dressed as sharply as John is here
I could definitely imagine that actually, only he wouldn't say sir, he would say "tumanizamanamapressure"
When He smacks the crap off the Table with his cane and then says Absalom. That just steals the scene.
Imagine all the grief John felt irl when he shuts out his son. He must've felt devastated being forced to do that. He probably regretted it later on after his son died.
It was one of the most painful things I’ve done
@@johnadamsreal6922 Sorry about that John..
To be fair you cannot reason with such individuals.
@@johnadamsreal6922 --- you practiced "tough love", Mr. President
The times were so different compared to today. Imagine being a poor person living in the damp, muddy, dirty, foul smelling slums and seeing the literal President of the United States himself approaching and talking to you.
Back then presidents weren’t really seen as a big influence. You could literally go and knock on the presidents door and they’d answer. It was mostly because a lot didn’t know what they looked like and two, because presidents didn’t have that much power. They didn’t have the celebrity a king or a Vanderbilt would have.
Keep in mind there was no photography. They probably knew his name, but not what he looked like.
@@laurapalmer7120 I'm sure they must've seen his portrait.
@@AbrahamLincoln4 Where? At the Louvre? Um. As if. Lincoln.
@@laurapalmer7120 Ummm, Government buildings? Auctions? stores? Courts? Bars? Taverns? Regular Houses? Campaign posters? Newspaper illustrations?
John Adams was a brilliant lawyer, politician, and President.
And the most underrated president along with Calvin Coolidge
@@matthewhedrichjr.5445
Yes. Unfortunately, with a Master's in history, I am ashamed to admit I no practically nothing about him.
@@thefederalist9982 the irony of a beer company......
@@chanceDdog2009
Samuel Adams, his cousin.
Sadly, this shows what a terrible father he is.
John do be looking drippy in that grey hat tho
like a pimp
when your maxed out character goes back to a level 1 area
The drip never takes a back seat
Grr, take my like
Giamatti's acting was superb here, especially with his expressions.
To say that Paul Giamatti was brilliant in the role of John Adams is a gross understatement. All of the acting was outstanding, but he was just amazing. What a great actor! He's the kind of actor where I may watch a movie just because he's in it.
People whining in the comment section that John was too harsh need to learn the times they were in. By the standard of the day he was pretty moderate. It was common for the middle and upper class to have high standards. John also never beat his children but at the time most fathers did pretty severely.
And now today hardly anybody has standards anymore.
“He failed art school. This angered his father, who beat him severely.”
@@bretthanna8765what does that even mean?
@@wspencerwatkins Just look at the up and coming generation of kids that grew up watching youtube with parents who were too lazy to raise their crotch goblins
@@IgnoredAdviceProductionsyeah? They’ll mature. And if they won’t the several hundred wars that this century has in store for them will.
John Adams: Kind Sir, would you point me in the direction to the home of a Charles Adam?
Bum: 👉
John Adam: Thank you.. oh and remember Vote Adams! 👍
Ordinary people weren't able to vote until Jackson.
@@josh18230 If only it were still that way.
For a child; being renounced is the equivalent of a mark of shame.
It’s excommunication. A mark of shame would be public.
He is no longer part of the family
For Shame
You can tell he still loved him dearly tho
John felt it was his fault that Charles turned out the way he did in the end. My dad told me parents are responsible for how their children turn out. They get some credit for their successes and they had to take some responsibility for their failures. The last part is sad but true.
I know it's a sad scene but John Adams looks like the Quaker Oats mascot
His Quaker sensibilities do us a gross disservice
@@tonysoprano..- it is one thing to turn the other cheek, but to lie down in the ground, like a snake and crawl into position of power in abject surrender, well that is another thing, sir! And i have no stomach for it, sir! No stomach at all!
They did a lot of "renouncing " back then. Franklin cast the same shroud over his son for not being loyal to the Revolution against the Crown.
I did not know that
Nothing strikes more pain to a persons heart, than when their parent denounces them.
Now you know why Commie Trump turned into the loser crybaby he is
@@fredwerza3478 Greatest President with most votes on his reelection than any in history!
@@fredwerza3478 Absolutely classless and unintelligent. Go watch Don Lemon you Malarkey Thrower.
Nah. My parents are pretty terrible people. I disowned them and left.
@@Human_2.0 Mighty Joe Biden literally wiped his ass with Crybaby Donnie --- and he'll do it again in 2024 !!
Paul Giamatti is one of those actors who is top tier but just kinda flies under the radar and lives his life, what a man.
I still can’t believe he played Rhyno in Amazing Spider Man 2 😅
Paul Giamatti was great in this series!
He was PHENOMENAL. Everyone was!
Great actor. Infact the whole casts are great actors.
At least Abigail didn't disown him and kept in touch with Charles until his death...a mother's love indeed.😊😊
“Absalom. King David’s son at least served an enterprise. He had the dignity to die in battle.”
Absalom's fate: While fleeing from his father King David's army after being defeated on the battlefield, his hair was caught in the boughs of an oak tree as the mule he was riding on ran beneath it. He was found and reported to King David's army commander Joab, who defied King David's order to not harm him by running three darts through his heart and then finished off by Joab's armour-bearers.
That's not what I would call dying with dignity in battle.
"That's right father, curse me. You made my whole life a curse" damn
Imagine the President of the United States strolling down a dirty alley like this by himself
Harry Truman had to take a taxi to the White House after he got a call that Roosevelt died.
When people only had paintings as photos, i'm sure nobody knew who TF he wass
There was a time where you could just walk up to the White House and knock on the front door.
John was way too hard on his children. In fact his son John Quincy became just like him because Adam's forced him to do so. One of John Quincy's sons drank himself to death and the other committed suicide for fear of his father's chastising when asked to return to Washington. John Quincy never forgave himself and changed his ways thereafter.
John did regret his treatment on his children later in life, and often chided John Quincy for following his example.
Fortunately, Charles Francis Adams, John Quincy's youngest son, apparently did not follow his father and grandfather's example, and most of his children grew up to have more successful careers.
@@1987AnimeBoy I’m not sure if he was hard on all of his kids. I think he was passionate but short tempered. In real life, he actually was upset when Charles died.
@@sqseq1237 i think he would still want his son alive even if he was a fuck up i think this is john misguided way of getting him back on track seen many parents try this sometimes it works sometimes the kids kill themselves
@@sqseq1237 Oh, he was a hard ass. Trust me.
"It's my parents' fault.' Drunks still sing this tune.
Often it is. My father is a drunk and it was certainly his parents which caused it. I have seen it and where it leads and can make smarter decisions. He was just physically and emotionally abused and in poverty, began drinking young to escape. Alcoholism is awful.
@@comegdjeja6557 True. However personal responsibility is very important. One must move forward in life rather than cry over past misfortune.
@@atulvaibhav5376 it’s not even past misfortune at that point. It was present. Once you’re an alcoholic at a young age that becomes very hard to break. It’s sad
Charles is a textbook case of childhood neglect manifesting itself in adulthood.
Adams dumped his family for politics. Wasn't there for his kids.
Damn. John straight renounced him. The ultimate diss.
This entire series did not leave a stone unturned.
I'm in the process of watching it right now with a feature turned on that shows a sentence or two at the bottom of the screen during significant moments which explains and gives reason for the scene.
Just finished disc one and can't wait to continue the rest.
MANY inaccuracies in the Series although it sparked interest in the Founding of Our Country and in John Adams.
Where did you get the series? I would love to see that feature!!!!
It's not that he didn't care. It's that he couldn't bear to see his son destroy himself.
But John Adams handled the situation in a wrong, angry way. It was because he was short tempered.
@@sqseq1237 he gave his son every opportunity and many chances. His son was not only a disgrace, but he saw that he failed him as well. He could no longer bear it.
@@sqseq1237 I wonder if the event played out anything like this in real life
All he cared about was how it made him look, his own image. His son was just an extension of himself.
@@williamwinder5011 I agree that he gave Charles multiple opportunities but the bigger issue here is that Charles’ addiction to alcohol stems from how strict John was toward his children. John was only concerned with how his children made him look which made him blind to how his short temper and strict disciplinarian tactics pushed his children toward resentment. John vowed never to speak or forgive Charles and he held on to that until Charles died in 1800. John even said to Abigail in this movie that he would not find fault in his own behavior to excuse Charles’ behavior. That goes to show you how stubborn and prideful John was. He was part of the problem but refused to accept that notion.
I would love to of spent a day in the late 1700s early 1800s just to see what life was really like
You're looking at it.
A scene as memorable as it was surreal. The POTUS, unaccompanied, walking down skid row in broad daylight to confront his son. Adams was inflexibly bound by his own sense of honor and duty. He had admonished Charles repeatedly in the past to grow up and apply himself to some level of ambition. The toughest love imaginable. Still, nobody wins here - very sad.
Charles: “You ruined my life!”
John: “That’s not true, I haven’t even been apart of your life! How could I ruin it? Wasn’t even there…”
Charles ruined his own life, threw it away at only 30 years old.
Not historically true. John Adams was not separated from his children for years the way it was shown in the series, in fact, his wife and children were sent to Europe to be with him shortly after he left.
The thing is, it's hard being the son of a great man.
@@snakey934Snakeybakey I don’t actually blame John for how Charles turned out. Their dynamic in the show just reminded me of that line from the Ninjago Movie.
@@elihutchinson007What line?
@@1987AnimeBoy It’s the one said during the exchange after Lloyd takes off his hood and says “that’s right it’s me, your son. And it’s Lloyd Garmadon!” And Garmadon says “no, L-L-O-Y-D. I named you.” It was also in one of the trailers for the movie.
Damn Giamatti is a good actor
I'm a father to 2 daughters (12 and 3). My philosophy on parenting is that you can't tell your kids what to do. You can tell them what NOT to do, though. Alcoholism and Addiction runs deep in my family. I know this is "just a tv show" but the pain that alcohol causes is real as a heart attack. My wife and I have never drank or smoked. If my daughters are able to stay sober through life, then I believe their odds of success are greatly increased.
As someone who grew up in a community of smokers and drinkers
*Functional lot we be*
Its always the heavier drugs that quickly end someone
Seen it all
While the drink and dope can slowly ruin someone
Alcohol can make people do god damn stupid shit
One of the reasons im not a social drinker
I like getting drunk, but generally hate hanging out with drunk people
Anyways
Yeah
I hope for your sake your daughters dont get into alcohol
good luck friend. a struggle.
They can still be whores even if sober though
That last moment before John Adams turns away shows everything
Crazy to think he did this as president with no security.
Nobody knew what the President looked like back then --- especially the poor and uneducated common folk
@Mr. Graves --- just imagine if Commie Trump's photo was known in 1865 --- they'd hunt him down like a filthy animal --- "kill the orange devil" the townsfolk would scream!
@@The_Best_Turtle_ He’s a troll. He’s done this on a few comments. I wish TH-cam had better moderation.
It took me a while to figure out what John says when he walks in, but I figured it out... Absalom was the third son of David, King of Israel. Absalom eventually rebelled against his father and was killed during the Battle of Ephraim's Wood.
The story of David was very Game of Thrones style
@@arielmachado1444 and solomans was very witcher
I noticed that too! I was like, "holy COW did he just call his own son 'Absalom'?!"
The big difference was that King David actually took responsibility for his own sins and still loved his son Absalom, even to say that he wished he would have taken his son's place in death(2 Sam 18:33). But John was way too self-righteous for that, suggesting that Absalom was a better son to David than Charles was to John. But John never asked himself if he was a better father to Charles than David was to Absalom.
Later on, he'd tell his wife that Charles had every advantage, which pretty much cops him out of being a terribad dad.
Interesting that Charles was also smart like his dad which he graduated from Harvard and passed the Bar Exam.
Yeah, man, it's a tragic way to go. Intelligence is no barrier whatsoever against alcoholism.
No way I'd be walking through a neighbourhood like that dressed as sharply as John is here.
Well consider the technology level of firearms back then.
People that poor and ghetto wouldn't likely have many of them, nor would they be disciplined enough to keep the gun powder dry.
There was a higher point of entry for guns back then.
I'm sure John Adams was wealthy enough to keep a pistol with him, and skilled enough to use it properly.
John Adams is a badass. He took on King George and the entire British empire. He can take some thug
The irony is one of the Founding Fathers wasn’t a loving father to his own. He sacrificed his family for nurturing a nation.
He is still one of my favorite historical figures.
Shows how a lot of historical figures are grey and complex. Look at how Jefferson was a great politician yet owned slaves and basically raped one of them
@@Spongebrain97 affair is very different from rape.
Its hard to tell intentions.
Jefferson wanted to free his slaves. You couldn't just free your own slaves, just like you can't just sell your own home, even today. You have to pay a tax. And the tax to free a slave was very very expensive, and Jefferson was steeped in debt
Tough love doesn't make you am unloving father. He literally cried after doing it.
It's like helping a crackhead. You can't. You have to just let them hit rock bottom
@@dab0331 no it was rape. Even Jefferson's black and white descendants agree on that. Jefferson literally owned Sally Hemmings and she had no say if she wanted sex or not. She could not refuse him. Also there were instances of slave owners freeing their slaves in their wills, such as George Washington who did so Jefferson definitely could've if he really wanted to
@@dab0331 That wasn't tough love. He disowned his son because of his errant behavior. Charles Adams was an adulterer and an alcoholic and ultimately succumbed to consumption (liver cirrhosis) at 30 years old. I think you may have misunderstood John Adams' true intent of having nothing to do with his son any longer and not seeking any redemption for him as if he's doing this for his son's own good.
And you also have to give the series artistic license on the "literal crying." Having said that, John Adams regretted disowning his son.
“...a Son who was once the delight of my Eyes and a darling of my heart, cut off in the flower of his days, amidst very flattering Prospects by causes which have been the greatest Grief of my heart and the deepest affliction of my Life.” -- Letter to Thomas Jefferson from John Adams about the death of Charles Adams
At 1:00 in, when he stands in the darkened doorway, I somehow expected him to start fumbling for a light switch. God, I’m dumb sometimes.
LMAO
That kind of electricity didn't exist until the time of President Benjamin Harrison's presidency
@@meganbateman5634yes although gas lights did start to become common soon
I’ve been around enough addicts to know their tricks; one thing they do is gaslight your and that’s what Charles was trying to do by saying “you made my whole life a curse.” This is an attempt to deny responsibilities you made and make it someone else’s fault. Classic tactic of addicts.
I think you need to watch the series again and notice how John Adams plays favorites with his children, mistreats Charles emotionally from a very young age, and is away from the family far more than was healthy for the children. Charles was underloved and therefore suffers from self-loathing. (And btw, I've been around and lived with addicts too. Some are manipulative and gaslight-y and others are just pathetic.)
Just rewatched this series a second time, and it was just as amazing!
Ditto!
How’s Anakin doing?
@@tromboneman4517 he’s doing good!
Do you hate sand, my Queen?
@@fredwerza3478 yes in fact I do
Imagine taking a piss outside and walking past you is the President of the United States.
So what?
@@nethacker91 he’s saying it would be awkward
@@CentralFloridaCoasters Would it be any more or less awkward of a situation if it was your best friend instead of the president?
I piss on the president
i cant imagine the emotional feeling of your parent telling you you're dead to them
Gay men have probably experienced it every day in this country. The world too I’m sure. You don’t disown a child, you set an example and hope they follow. That’s all you can hope for if you actually care. But this was a different time and Adams was far from perfect. But we all are
@@matthewgabbard6415 "gay" who self-identifies as a perpetual mood?? homosexuality is a mental disorder. if i had a homosexual son i would repudiate and utterly reject his lifestyle, but would not reject him. i would however reject his pseudo-fake "husband" and never let him set foot in my house.
@@marksmith4892 I would invite your gay son and his husband to visit me and be my kids. Two sons for me and zero for you.
@@lizmerrick6883 ok so you support mental disorder thanks for letting me know.
@@marksmith4892 Tell me you're a horrible person without telling me.
The actor of John Adams looks actually like the real John Adams
You would know General.
@@bencarter8423 hehe is the actor still alive ? Oh hows my actor ?
@@AmericanEmpire2345 yes he's still alive. And recently did his role again voicing him in small bits in the Ken burns Benjamin Franklin documentary
@@AmericanEmpire2345 Paul Giamatti
I thought that was John Quincy but today I found out Charles Adams existed
John Quincy was a huge nerd, no way he was getting mixed up in this lol
@@Badtown1988 Yeah instead of drinking he was skinny dipping in a river every day and learning to how to read 7 languages
@@HanHonHon Legend.
Absalom did not have a very dignified death lol - he was fleeing in terror after being defeated and his long hair got caught in a tree, leaving him squirming desperately until David's men put a spear in him
Someone been readin' Kings I
He’s such a good actor
John Adams actually did take Charles with him and JQA to Europe; that was omitted from the miniseries. Yet, Charles still didn't blossom like his older brother did.
I wouldn't say blossom, more like he hardened under the pressure that he lived under, whereas Charles broke.
You are still of course absolutely correct to point out that inaccuracy in the series.
I want to get a suit and hat just like this.
Pimpin'.
Even the best men in history have their messy sides.
Wow, no one even looked at him while he casually walked down the street.
This is the era before TV, before photography, and where images of people had to be manually recreated and copied. You likely had no idea what the president actually looked like unless you had seen him or one of his portraits.
@@WillyShakes Didn't they have TH-cam?! 😃
The secret service would have a FIELD DAY with this.
Btw they weren't established until 1865, and only assumed full-time presidential protection in 1902 after the third presidential assassination
They weren't needed back then because most people were decent
@@fredwerza3478 not really, there were always people like that.
How so?
@@1987AnimeBoy because he's walking into a sketchy alley without any security protection
Nothing quite related to the topic of the scene but at 0:14 at the end of the alleyway, I was thinking what the heck is a window ac unit doing in the 1700's. Oh, it's a crate.
I heard this scene was based from a PBS Series that has John Quincy Adams (John's son and Charles' older brother) discover his son George living in such conditions.
Do you perhaps know what this PBS series is called?
The Adams Chronicles. Unfortunately history repeated itself with this family. Both John and John Quincy had sons who were alcoholics, who lived in a bad way, and tragically died young.
And thus began the sad and long historical line of American President's immediate family members incapable of handling the pressures that come from being near to The Office. It turns the Commander In Chief's hair gray and his loved ones addicted, broken, or often dead.
What about the other 10milliin drunks? Non historical line lol?
@@chuch541 So when someone brings up that 4 out of 45 Presidents have been shot and killed, do you bring up the millions of human deaths since the invention of gunpowder? Or is context just a new thing for you lol?
Although John Adams was a great man, this is one of his most bitter cons. Disowning his son Charles.
I’ve been around addicts. You can’t help them unless they want to be helped.
There's no evidence he actually disowned him. The show took some liberties with this part of the story.
@@VloggingThroughHistory He did.
@@nocturnalrecluse1216 he did but apparently they reconciled before his death
@@jgrj52 No. John vowed never to see his son again and kept his word.
He thought too quickly on that.
Not an exact analogy, but kind of reminiscent of Jim Morrison's relationship to his Navy Rear Admiral father. But at least Morrison made something big of himself before checking out -- unlike Adams's son here.
So what happened to him to make him a drunkard
...speaking of that I need to slow down on the old creature myself
Funny to find some of my favorite unrelating subjects somehow having a connection; Jim Morrison and John Adams.
Crazy to think that the US had a full blown Gin Alley by this time
The country was new, but New York was a few hundred years old already.
This is too sad for words.
A lot of people are condemning John Adam’s for disowning his son. But your seeing this through a 21st century perspective. Life and times where very different in the late 18th and early 19th century. I cannot condemn, no can I condone Adam’s actions. Just acknowledge that Adam’s was a hard and strict man from Massachusetts and was raised and believed very differently then we are today.
And in his times (in our times too) alcoholism was considered a character flaw, a weakness, a sin. The idea of rehabilitation from an addiction was unheard of. Even nowadays most people (and doctors) are unaware that there is medication that can help alcoholics to withstand the craving and remain sober. Adams only saw a kid who had wasted every opportunity and failed every test - because he wasn't temperate enough.
so sick and tired of this bullshit argument. If anything, families were closer then. He could have had compassion and tried to help his son, rather than disown him.
John Adams also devoted his life and risked everything to give his children a country where they could prosper. To see his son take that opportunity and squander no doubt felt like a spit in the face not just to him, but to all his great friends and the soldiers who died to provide that country.
@@SiriusMined saaaaaaaaaaaaame
"Times were different then" Isn't a point.
If we believe in moral relativism, then morality doesn't exist at all. In the past it was common to enslave people and rape your wife, yet we know that to be wrong.
Id had done the same. A founding father...a man who faced the king of the world....? And you’re a drunk? The fuck?
All that is is basking in the pretend glory of one’s ego.
That's what happens when you enforce the all work and no play rule on your kids.
Adams dumped his family for politics. Wasn't there for his kids.
@@escopiliatese3623 true but saying there equal is wrong
That's exactly the attitude, Optimus Prime, that ends up with a failed child.
Thank you! Great history and great acting.
And his son Charles would die of Alcoholism alone and miserable. Of course Adam’s spent the rest of his life regretting his harsh treatment of his sons, but still… damn man..
I really loved this series, I hope they play it on Independence Day, instead on the Will Smith movie with the Aliens.
Thus, Adams founded the time honored American tradition of abandoning sons
Let’s be honest that tradition belongs more to a certain demographic lmao
What are you implying?
@Dutch Plan Der Linde so it’s ok to be prejudice?
@Dutch Plan Der Linde I’m not trying to distract, I’m asking a genuine question. Should we just ignore prejudice?
@Dutch Plan Der Linde thanks for not answering my question and instead resorting to name calling 🙄
Visions of an 18th Century “crack house”.😉
Abigail forgave him, as opposed to John! Abigail wasn’t as cold and strict as John Adam’s was. This was a very sad scene!! 😢😢
His son's conduct brought dishonor to his family. It had to be difficult and yet necessary
Adams dumped his family for politics. Wasn't there for his kids.
In those days this seemed like the only way out, but it was a less enlightened time, when it comes to addiction.
One of those lawyers that didn't want to pay his taxes
In other words --- a lawyer that wants to work for Tax Dodger Trump
@@fredwerza3478 President Trump is far better than any liberal joke you try to run for office.
@@mywifesboyfriend5741 --- Tax Dodger Trump is headed to prison and will die there --- meanwhile, Hillary and Obama and Biden are all beloved by America and getting rich
@@fredwerza3478 Lol The only place President Trump is headed is back to the White House where he belongs.
Get with the program or get to the gulag, traitor.
That is all. No further replies will be seen or read.
@@fredwerza3478 Oh look, another CCP bot/shill.
Oof, dude just got renounced.
A terrible father to his younger sons.
Here’s a lesson for parents: it’s good to be strict, in fact it’s needed, but there’s also a time for love, compassion and tenderness with your children. The world will be harsh with your kids, don’t break them before sending them out in it.
Incorrect, you have to make them tough before sending them into it.
He was perfectly fine in chastising him. He should have simply followed up with empathy and stated that other people, his wife and children, depend on him, so this isn't a time for weakness. Suck it the fuck up, roll with the punches, and keep fighting. Only if you give up on your innocent SMALL children do you deserve to to be disowned.
@@dab0331 Parents who are their children's first bullies, will have their children be their last bullies.
John's son abandoned his own wife and kids while he drank himself to death.
This portrayal is innacurate, but Jonh tolerated many things before he finally snapped.
Watched the episode, and still wondering why, Charles became a drunkard addict. Was it the lack of love and attention?
Exactly. John Quincy got all the attention and was supposed to follow on his fathers footsteps. Charles was probably ignored.
Not all men are "strong" otherwise we would live in a world filled with great men
Sometimes a parent and a child just don't take to each other. Each disappoints each for whatever reason. As sad a thing as there is really.
The Adams family was noted as being…a bit of a mess. Adams himself was publicly known to play favorites with his children. But JQA especially became famous as one of the most overbearing fathers in history. One such letter told his son not to bother coming home for Christmas because he didn’t get accepted into the school JQA wanted him to go to. Great, wise, and powerful men. But by no means perfect.
In the show at least, John Adams is harsh towards Charles from a very early point, always impatient, never loving, toward him. Charles was young during a stressful time in John Adams' life.
It important to remember that prior to the revolution, the Adams family (no this family not the other Adams family) had nothing and was the low end of society. A lawyer farmer - at best he can hope for his sons to take apprenticeship and maybe an education at Harvard; and his daughters to marry into a well off family.
But suddenly the family is raised up to the highest office, elected to be president and vice president - the family is now high society with expectations of said society.
While no longer nobility in definition of British society, the remnants still remains and even Adams makes a remark asking if his son’s wife is a good match…in terms of class…not whether she made his son happy.
For a son of such a man, the pressure must’ve been daunting; ever growing expectations to the point he has nothing except turn to drink.
I sympathize with him.
Died at just 30. Of cirrhosis
Went out like a G
That's a common misconception, he actually died of pleurisy
No. He died of dropsy. Lung condition.
Charles drank himself to death and John's grandson John II would meet the same fate as his uncle. I can't imagine how heartbroken both John and John Quincy had to see members of their family succumbed to alcoholism
@@Stonewall2agreed, total chad 💪
Well, if we're to believe the rest of the series, he was a difficult father who constantly harped on Charles, so if he doesn't like how his boy turned out, he should look in the mirror.
Parents inevitably refuse to acknowledge that the reason for a lot of their kid’s faults is staring at them when they look in the mirror
Sorry but Charles is the one that could never handle punishment without making a big fuss lol. Then this happened and it's just as well his own fault if not mostly.
Which we shouldn’t - the series is grossly inaccurate on their relationship. in reality, John took Charles to Europe, and gave him every opportunity - more than most got in the 1700s.
John Adams made the mistake extruding Charles from his field studies & governmental laws. Instead, the beloved wife & friend of John, Abigail, had standards raising him to grow up as a lost insecure boy.
John took Charles with him to Europe alongside John Quincey. The series is great but compresses and simplifies a lot of the real history.
it is so funny considering the fact he started an actual war under the slogans of "self-made men". he should have considered to implement some ideology so people could guide themselves when all their personal goals are gone or failed -- there would be less reason for drinking
John Adams is with Charles Adams in this episode.😊
Absalom!
A person may suffer from sn addiction. But when theft and adultery enter into it...At a certain point you cant say the "magical invisible addiction gene" made me cheat on my wife and defraud my brother."
Who are you talking to
@@wspencerwatkinsMe.
@@phreak761and my axe
Sometimes you have to stop enabling toxic people and addicts. You can love them, but you can’t continue to enable their destructive behavior.
yeah, great advice. The son later died of alcoholism in misery. 10/10 parenting
@@stonem0013 Do you blame the parents for the alcoholism of their offspring?
@@6862ptc parents are one of the most significant influences on their children's behaviour - this is quite elementary and non-controversial psychology. So yes, they are often partly to blame if the child is a complete mess. Adams was extremely cruel here, abandoning his son even as he was literally begging him. FWIW, Adams later bitterly regretted this decision to his dying day.
Very true but....how many years in the can?
@@BattleAxe1345 20 fuckin’ years, and not a PEEP!
John Adams was portrayed as one of the bad guys in the musical Hamilton
He wasn't physical portrayed in that musical.
@@1987AnimeBoy you’re right he wasn’t. He was still a bad guy to Hamilton in the musical which is funny because in this series Hamilton is seen as the bad guy. But you don’t hear from him again after episode 6 of this series and you don’t hear mention of his death in 1804 from the duel in the last episode of this show. In real life though Adams and Alexander Hamilton were principled men
The duel is portrayed through in the musical which the song The World was Wide Enough is one of my favorites I know the lyrics by heart
You mean that racist trash musical?
There’s a lot of things wrong with Hamilton.
As a drunk son, this sux. But happens. Tea is the way 🤷
hide your heavy drinking around your dad like everyone else boyo
American Coffee over British Tea any day.
No greater beverage than tea, except perhaps water
But they dumped all the tea into the Boston Harbor.
I read this as drown instead of disown
Ahhh just like my own father! Some things never differ.
There’s no conflict. One can take full responsibility for one’s life while recognising that one’s father is an abject failure of a parent and a human being.
I'm very sorry to hear this. John Adams is wrong in this scene, he doesn't listen to his son. If your father is the same, I hope you can see that it's his limitations that are gripping him, and move your own life forward in a healthy way. If you need support, there's therapy. If you're struggling with alcohol or substances, there are support groups. Try to give yourself what your father cannot.
@wholesalesubstance every single time as rationally as possible. Thanks for asking.
Hunter Vibin
I like how people are condemning John Adams from an HBO mini series... SMH. Not one of you knew the times or the man.
And who are you? George washington? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@puffmoneyo3590 I didn't claim to know him either dumbass.
@@ffjsb Yet you condemming a man about whom you do not anything, neither about his times! Curse you!
This scene was so hard to watch
Yes.
Especially if you've experienced being disowned by your parents yourself.
Perfect example of TOUGH LOVE. I'm sure he always regretted doing this to his son. Anytime you reprimand your kid or if you're an adult and you reprimand one or both of your parents, you do regret it. However here it had to be done. Charles needed to learn and sadly he didn't and died at only 30 years old.
Going to go out on a limb first and assume you don't have kids. One tragedy of parenting is that your actions play a significant role in how your children turn out, and your childrens' different personalities react and adapt differently to those actions. Behind the most publicly successful people, like Adams, are often trails of hurt or neglected children and spouses. To be so singularly focused on a cause, as Adams was, is to ignore many other important aspects of life, like the well-being of your children. This outburst by Adams was probably fueled in part by his own guilt for contributing to his son's alcoholism. Forgiveness is difficult and often near impossible, but it is always the answer.
@@fullario --- very well said --- which is why Fred Trump had a daughter that became a respected federal judge --- and why one of his sons became a lying, scamming, tax dodging criminal named Donald
@@fredwerza3478 I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry you don't seem to have peace in your heart. I hope that you can one day find peace and move on with your life. There is more to life than our previous president and the various opinions we all have. I wish you all the best.
@@JoneThePwn --- you'd be more at peace if you joined 99% of America in ridiculing the lying, scammin' criminal named Commie Trump --- it will make you sleep better at night
@@fredwerza3478 You know it is ironic and intellectually dishonest to call Trump a lie and cheat and than go ahead and praise his lying and cheating sister it’s quite contradicting I add to your statement and not very well convincing. This is the same woman who added irrelevantly that his children were bad, this woman is a narcissistic and self centered person but I guess you only see black and white and who cares? It’s his family I might add and you have no business to get involved , it’s funny seeing left wingers call Trump disgusting and then come at his family it’s hypocritical and rich at its finest. The smell of liberal fumes gets me pumped up. You guys are amusing. Oh yeah this subject (Adams and Sons relationship), has nothing to do with or even relates in anyway to Trump and his relationship with his dad considering it was good, despite you trying to talk big it’s all just double talk. You really are a casual.
I remember this series, the book which the series is based on said that Adams disowned Charles sometime in fall 1799 before George Washington died, but I remember this series mention and that Adams cabinet mentioned that Washington was dead so I am nuts or did they decide to switch the timeline? Either way it’s both sad. I get that his son was irresponsible but if I were him I would have helped him instead of neglecting him.
The idea of helping people through their trauma when inner forces suppressed you wasnt really an understanding back then. Instead, it was teaching people to "apply themselves", that your well-being can only be in your own hands and no one elses. If They fell into a pit of depression, despair or vice, there wouldnt be a rope thrown down to you, youd be left to rot or claw your own way back out of it. That understanding led to instances like this, where a man who clearly needed help was seen instead as a stain, and left to die. Had he helped with that set morals, he'd of perhaps mended and taken office in the army/navy to regain his honor for himself and his family, but left alone he stayed depressed, abused the drink and died literally a a year later. Cant say that its Adams fault for his son dying, but circumstance of those morals left him to die all the same...
They decided to make it much more dramatic. John Adams never saw his son and disowned him in person.
@@MrNuclearturtle
Charles was a drunkard and was faithless. He abandoned ANY enterprise when he started… he was given the same love and schooling as every other child of the Adams family, he brought this on himself.
I agree with boi Adams. Charles was a big phat p*ssy
@@V1nce_man he did. I read he ran around Harvard unclothed.
Oooh poor Charles
1:55 He cursed.
Yeah
He's in trouble
He said buck
*1:54
He called him a "buck," like people today calling man-hoes "dog." He's insulting him for his promiscuity.
The 3 most hurtful words to any child to hear even as an adult “I renounce you.” His son only had himself to blame for this.
Actually no. Adams dumped his family for politics. Wasn't there for his kids.
@@johnedwards2759 and without him america wouldnt exsistist and no he might not have raised them but he did provide as they were adults the schooling and opurtunities more then anyone in 18th century america the kid is a spoiled brat now that being all said if john doesnt wanna see his kid dead or kill himself he better offer some kind of help
@@thewildcardperson America would exist. And your first duty is to your family. Your kids DID NOT ASK to be born.
@@johnedwards2759 no really it wouldnt without him very key events in the revelution wouldnt happen no revoution no america everyone has a family he buikt something bigger then that and his other son became president maybe just maybe charles should get over it like everyone else in the world the world owes you nothing not love not food nothing if you get that its a blessing
@@thewildcardperson
Anyone who says "get over it," should have their balls chopped off and then be told to just "get over it."
All "get over it" means is that you are a TOTALLY self-centered narcissist.
Made your whole life a curse? Giving you the best....being an example of a leader....and actually coming to seeing you in that poor state.
We don't know what that household was like. Maybe in Charles' formative years John was overfocused on his law career? Who knows? Not making excuses, but nobody knows the full story now. Reminds me of a certain son of a certain president *cough*HUNTER*cough*. Just sayin
It wasn't what he did for him that fucked him up, it was his jealousy over John Quincy. He only wanted his father's approval.
@@MelancoliaI Hunter Biden is MILES over that demanted orange pedophile that you call a president. MILES.
Adams dumped his family for politics. Wasn't there for his kids.
@@nocturnalrecluse1216 hunter was on epstein log as well as joe biden dont bark up the pedo tree democrat your whole party is nothing but pedos republicans are businessmen ill take being rich over being a pedo anyday now fuk off
Cool and sad just is
That too scary
This was a good scene, but in real life, it never happened.
We have no way of knowing that
He definitely disowned his son, the is exact scene didn’t happen obviously but he was disowned
@@calebward5007 Yes, I know that he disowned his son. John was tolerant of his homosexuality, his drunkenness, even his extramarital affairs, but he ended renouncing his son because he abandoned his wife and children.
@@arthurmead5341 I looked it up, they said this scene was completely made up.
@@jukio02 I know, I'm saying they have no way of knowing if it didn't actually happen though
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I don’t understand
@@awesomepumashoes
Having kid's isn't what some people expect it to be. Make sense now?
haha! Rough... Poor Charles. He was the delight of his mother's eye.
Or a better family therapy commercial.