+jayhawkdave24 that's one of my favorite lines in a tv show. The old kings were more literate than MOST people living today. And you can blame pop culture for that.
+Robert E. Lee its from websters american english dictionary. Many original monuments are written in British English. Unless they were altered in the 19th century.
one must remember that even the europeans in the 18th century claimed that the english spoken by the colonists were far more formal and exquisite to the ear than the mainlanders themselves.
In 1814, a man stopped at a tavern in Virginia for the night on his travels and had dinner with a humble man on a single horse. They talked furniture and he was sure the man was a carpenter. The conversation turned to farming, and he was convinced the man was a farmer. Later it was religion, and he thought the man must be a pastor, as he himself was. Then they talked physics, and again his new friend must be some kind of scientist. He was fascinated. The next morning, he was eager to talk again to his new friend and rushed downstairs hoping to meet him for breakfast, but he was not there. He asked the innkeeper where the man had gone, and the innkeeper asked, "who?" "The man I was speaking to last night, I never caught his name." The innkeeper cries out, "By God sir, don't you know that was Thomas Jefferson?"
Doug Bevins well I cant disagree with some of what you said but you fucked up calling the man the grandfather of the civil war. Leaving out the economic side of that war and making it just about slavery shows you’re lopsided in your assertion. Hey these days revisionists love to slander truth to the most extremes so its easy to sway the many that don’t do their diligence to the research of these events. You’ve left a very long statement to someone not in the know in a negative. Bravo.
@Doug Bevins There is a broad consensus that the Sally Hemming story was the slander of political rivals. Most of the rest of what you copy and pasted is bullshit and disingenuous half truths.
Ben: Well Jeff, Congress is gonna fuck this up. Thomas: Well, fuck them! John: I gotchu bro, they won't change a goddamn word. Thomas: ..Well thanks, brother. John: :) Ben: Nice fucking chair! Thomas: Ooh! Yeah, I used the curtain thing, and yeah man...*Swish*
tbf, Jefferson and Franklin made tons of inventions. I'm sure they talked many times of different inventions they made. This was during the Scientific Revolution after all
I think the point of that scene was twofold. One: show Benjamin Franklin's inventor/scientist side by having him show admiration for Jefferson's invention. Two: show Benjamin's skill as a diplomat by showing him praise Jefferson to make him feel better after he had just spent the previous scene editing and critiquing Jefferson's declaration.
Everyone's busy making Stannis comments, and I'm just too busy marveling at the last scene where the President and the Vice President of the United States are just casually strolling through a city street without any security or crowds.
It's even crazier when you realize gun rights we're more open back then. Practically anyone could own a gun. Hell, own a cannon while you're at it. A naval warship? Fuck it have 3.
"Alexander Hamilton will bend the knee, or I will destroy him." It's no coincidence that Stannis the Mannis is my favorite GoT character, and TJ my favorite Founding Father. Both are fuckin bosses.
I like him in this HBO series much better. Stannis was brave and principled but ultimately tragic. Thomas Jefferson was one of the greatest founding fathers. Just wish he didn’t fall out with Adams who is an underrated president in US history.
1:12 I love this scene. Jefferson and Franklin were both inventors and they take more interest in the swivel chair then they do in the political matters. Adams gets all irritated lol
totally, they are more excited about the swivel chair, than his fucking Declaration of Independence he just drafted word for word! Brilliant! You could tell, at least in this movie, that Jefferson would have much rather talked more about the chair than the document, writing is such bore after all!
I love when Franklin says "this is a marvelous invention" and you think they're still talking about the country and the Declaration of Independence, but he means the swivel chair.
Jefferson had such a swag to him. His witty comments and intelligence is unreal. Man spoke 5 languages as well. Truly innovative and intellectual human being.
In reading John Adams biography, it was great to learn that years later their friendship was restored. They both died on the same day----July 4, 1826---exactly 50 years after the declaration of independence. One of the last words uttered by Adams before his death, was, "Jefferson Survives!" Incredible.
friendship can and should exist outside of politics, religion, and anything differing. If anything, it is because we are all different that we can be friends.
Jefferson passed away slightly before Adams...Adams had no idea that Jefferson had already died since news traveled quite slowly in those days. But quite telling that both died on the 50th anniversary of declaring independence...couldn't have written a better script.
@@petern9783 Everybody fucking knows about Sally Hemmings. We don't know the specifics about that situation, but EVERY time someone says Jefferson some moron screams "bUt SaLlY hEmMiNgS tHo". That has zero relevancy here. Just shut up.
People who look at historical figures and have to immediately judge if they were « good » or « shitty » people have my pity. Seriously is judging all you can do, including people who lived in a world fantastically different than our own?
This miniseries gave us some of the best acting in a generation. Paul Giamatti as John Adams, Stephen Dillane as Thomas Jefferson and Laura Linney as Abigale Adams were all astounding.
Thomas Jefferson is among the most fascinating of the Founding Fathers. Even with tons of studies and books about him, Jefferson remains a bit mysterious and elusive to us. Stephen Dillane's portrayal of Jefferson is absolutely superb, and I do not think I have seen a better portrayal of Jefferson on-screen, ever. Mr Dillane must have studied Jefferson extensively for the role, as he gets Jefferson's measured passion across very well, and that mystery and elusiveness across too. The Dillane portrayal is almost as fascinating as Jefferson himself!
I love and am fascinated by the Marquis de Lafayette. A 19 year old French aristocrat (one of the wealthiest men in France who married into the most well connected family) who defied the king and bought a ship to fight for America for free and clothed, fed, And armed his men and even lived at Valley Forge with them when he could have been in a mansion. Becomes one of Jefferson’s best friends, becomes like a son to Washington, and like a brother to Hamilton. Everyone loved him. Except the French afterwards when their revolution took place. He believed in a constitutional monarchy with the king as a figurehead like Great Britain today. So both sides hated him because he wanted a middle ground because he didn’t believe France could have what America did because America didn’t have royalty, aristocracy, etc for thousands of years. So they killed his wife’s family and was arrested and put in an Austrian prison for 5 years while his wife sent his son George Washington Lafayette to live with Washington wile she and their daughters lived in prison with him. Still on the 50th anniversary of the revolution he visited America and 80,000 of true population of 110,000 people came to see him and t was like that the entire year plus he toured the 24 states. The Beatles only had 4,000 out of 8 million. Reading about his visit with Jefferson brings tears to my eyes. In the 50s a descendant of Lafayette found tons of letters between him and revolutionaries all over the world . Apparently he spent 2-3 hours a day writing and even houses revolutionaries in hiding whenever needed. He never strayed from his beliefs. He was offered to be dictator twice and turned it down. Jefferson said to him that you think others motivations are as pure as yours, my dear marquis, they are not.
@ApplePie 2019 The Sally Heming is a tall tale cooked by his enemies. He never bedded her. His copy of the Koran was for an understanding of Islam, as he fought to end the Barbary slave trade.
Dillane did great in this miniseries. He portrayed Jefferson as he was: brooding, introverted, radical, and brilliant. No wonder women loved him (the actor and the character!).
I think his portrayal of Jefferson is more like Stannis than his actual Stannis portrayal. The directors wanted Stannis to be angry because they don't like him, but here as Jefferson you see him being quiet and a man of few words, which is more like what Stannis was supposed to be. Pretty interesting.
Derek Flores Funny how throughout actual human history, how many different men (at the same time, too) felt that being a monarch was their "duty". A very peculiar form of entitlement, indeed.
It's best to say "his qualitites" rather than " he will be my favorite". That falls into idol worship.....which you are perfectly in your right to do....but we are all human....which means so was Jefferson.
RedDuppers Men of southern aristocracy owned slaves as a showing of wealth which gave him leverage to rally support form the powerful in the south so they could complete the Deceleration of Independence. However Jefferson was very much against slavery and gave his slaves a good life. Then he freed them upon his death.
An interesting anecdote about Thomas Jefferson: It has been said that Jefferson possessed the knowledge of the entire known world; that he existed at a time where such a feat could be possible.
Jefferson's secretary : ...and I declare upon the honor of my House, that my honorable friend Alexander Hamilton.. Thomas Jefferson : He wasn't "my honorable friend". I didn't love him. He didn't love me. James Madison : A harmless courtesy, Mr. President. Thomas Jefferson : A lie. Take it out.
I thought as a Virginian I was prejudiced towards Stephen Dillane’s excellent portrayal of Thomas Jefferson, but delighted to see everyone talking about it. If you have studied Jefferson, you know Dillane did a remarkable job in this series. Best movie Jefferson ever.
You must feel some concern at our own time then? The party that recently seized power is dismantling traditional values and laws. But a people always get the government they deserve.
@@TheGunderian Quote Jefferson: ''I am increasingly pursuaded that the earth belongs exclusively to the living and that one generation has no more right to bind another to its laws and judgments than one independant nation has the right to command another.'' If you understand what Jefferson was saying, then you understand that you cannot impose your laws, tradition and values to the current generation. That if these traditions; laws and values was something they desired, you wouldn't have to force it down their throats. They would preserve them willingly and no government could force them otherwise. The problem is not a political party. They are only the symptom of the will of the people. Instead of trying to pursuade people to preserve something they do not desire. Try to figure out a system that is viable and that the people want. I suspect that this desirable system wouldn't demonize and oppress half the population just because they have a penis in order to benefit the other half who do not have penises. Just sayin... Both the left and the right are guilty of this gynocentric disease. And this, my friend, is the reason why most men wont lift the little finger to save the west.
So many comments about Stannis. Aside from that, Thomas Jefferson will always be one of the best Founding Fathers. His cunning intelligence was wonderful, proficient in so many fields.
The restoration of this friendship is one of the greatest in history. Although both came from extremely different backgrounds, political opinions, regions of the country they both were arguably the most monumental figures in the Revolution, among the Founding Fathers. It is more than fitting, thanks to the grace of God, that they both died on the 50th Anniversary of July 4th, 1826. A story only history could tell to the ages.
seriously one of the greatest and most understated performances ive ever seen, stephen dillane is amazing, perfectly captures jeffersons quiet charisma.
Hahahaha me too. I loved the whole thing but yeah, my professor showed the clip where they're editing the Declaration and Jefferson was so awesome so I decided I'd watch it so I did.
Notice the scenes in the US he speaks only a few words at a time and seems almost a bit depressed, the scene in Paris he's the most jolly and vocal one. Guess his heart really was there.
+Teddy Techilo It was a different time then. I don't understand why you must judge men in history by using the morale of modern times. You're showing complete ignorance and incompetence to separate history from what you grew up learning to be just. I'm willing to bet men and women in the future will find some things that we do to be completely disgusting and immoral.
+Robert E. Lee the only ignorant and incompetent person here is you, the fact is he was a slave owner. if you are offended by the comments i made that's your problem not mine.
Many people at the time were slave holders. There was not much to do nor place to go for freed slaves. The country as a whole was racist and blacks knew that. If slaves that are on a decent plantation with a good standard of living were set free, there is a good chance their situation could be made worse leaving that environment. It is not a definite but a possibility
I LOVE TJ, and I love this actor's portrayal of him. Especially those little smiles. So endearing! This mini series was so fantastic; definitely got me thinking much more critically, and appreciatively, of our government and founding fathers!
Because it literally was the case in the 18th century and 19th century. Why do you think 80 years later Robert E Lee refused to fight for the union when Virginia left to join the Confederate states of America. Same in Canada the states and provinces where basically like individual countries. There was no fast instant connection. Like we have in the 21st.century of 20th century. And it took months to get messages from one place to another. And most people never stepped outside of their own state. We take it for granted that we live in a easily accessible fast communication era
The idea of belonging to a single country, the 'American' identity really only started to form after the civil war. Before that the United States was thought more of as a confederation of individual states, people identified more with their state than the country as a whole.
Jefferson, Adams... Kennedy. These are the type of men I admire and look up to.. today's politicians are not motivated by freedom and liberty for all but for money and power for themselves and their constituents.
TheRedBaron Lives! the actor is the one true king of westeros. his strength and power lie in his presence and words. he is stannis, the one true mannis
Gives me chills. The expanse of their brilliance. Their different opinions and approaches truly came from a good place. Pat yourself on the back that YOU wouldn't have done some of the bad things they did but you're lying to yourself. If you lived back then in their place... you would have been the worst of them all.
Irrelevant comparison. Of course you can't compare people hundreds of years apart. Only on relative scale of the population. Of course, with respect to the times, these were people of great character
Red Dell He was on the council as master of ships. he left to dragonstone after Jon arryn died, correctly suspecting a plot against them both who were at the verge of proving that Robert's children were all bastards
Almost incredible to think that there was a time when the President and Vice President of the United States could walk down the street together while discussing national policy on an issue and be completely unnoticed by everyone else on the street.
I love how nonchalantly Jefferson sits in his chair as Adams speaks about the DoI, as if he hadn't just written this immensely important document. Great directing.
"Perhaps the art of life is the art of avoiding pain ... its the best pilot who steers clear of the rocks and shoals" , damn, love these lines and this splendid mini series.
The United States Declaration of Independence was actually inspired and influenced by the widespread publication and circulation of pamphlets of "Common Sense" by Thomas Paine! Before the widespread circulation of "Common Sense", there were no Revolutionary patriots who openly advocated American Independence from British Empire! I just don't know why Thomas Paine is not considered as one of the Founders of the United States!
Little known fact: If you go to Monticello, you can see the spot where Thomas Jefferson and the Red Woman sacrificed British soldiers to the Lord of Light.
“I have no gift for oratory.” Same. I write better than I talk. When I talk, I stammer and stumble over my words. When I write, I’m much more eloquent and better at expressing myself.
I love these series, I just purchased all the episodes. Jefferson is one of my favorite Founding Fathers, he was a genius ahead of his time. Actor Stephen Dilane played him brilliantly, Jefferson would be amazed himself.
John Smith You are judging a man based on your time, not his. Many founders owned slaves. It was a point of contention among the early congress, and yes, morally reprehensible. Thomas Jefferson was a man of his times, and despite these moral qualms, his genius and influence cannot be discounted. Also, he had many positive qualities worthy of a great man. He was wary of financial institutions and organized religion, which I believe are both admirable qualities.
Ironically, democratic process fosters an extremely selfish general public and elected officials who put on what people WANT to see, in order to be elected.
Adams: "We should have less taxes imposed by England."
Jefferson: "Fewer."
+jayhawkdave24 that's one of my favorite lines in a tv show. The old kings were more literate than MOST people living today. And you can blame pop culture for that.
American English is its own entity apart from Traditional English. Languages evolve as nature does.
+jayhawkdave24 He corrected the same mistake as Stannis Baratheon on Game of Thrones...
+Robert E. Lee its from websters american english dictionary. Many original monuments are written in British English. Unless they were altered in the 19th century.
one must remember that even the europeans in the 18th century claimed that the english spoken by the colonists were far more formal and exquisite to the ear than the mainlanders themselves.
In 1814, a man stopped at a tavern in Virginia for the night on his travels and had dinner with a humble man on a single horse. They talked furniture and he was sure the man was a carpenter. The conversation turned to farming, and he was convinced the man was a farmer. Later it was religion, and he thought the man must be a pastor, as he himself was. Then they talked physics, and again his new friend must be some kind of scientist. He was fascinated.
The next morning, he was eager to talk again to his new friend and rushed downstairs hoping to meet him for breakfast, but he was not there. He asked the innkeeper where the man had gone, and the innkeeper asked, "who?" "The man I was speaking to last night, I never caught his name." The innkeeper cries out, "By God sir, don't you know that was Thomas Jefferson?"
That documentary is FANTASTIC
And Jefferson was all those things and more - Astronomer, engineer, furniture designer, horticulturalist, architect and, of course, grammarian.
MattShaggs what’s it called?
Doug Bevins well I cant disagree with some of what you said but you fucked up calling the man the grandfather of the civil war. Leaving out the economic side of that war and making it just about slavery shows you’re lopsided in your assertion. Hey these days revisionists love to slander truth to the most extremes so its easy to sway the many that don’t do their diligence to the research of these events. You’ve left a very long statement to someone not in the know in a negative. Bravo.
@Doug Bevins There is a broad consensus that the Sally Hemming story was the slander of political rivals. Most of the rest of what you copy and pasted is bullshit and disingenuous half truths.
"I have no gift for oratory." Spoken like a true introvert.
Hand the man a pen, though, and look out.
Then proceeds to drop gems.
😑
least autistic founding father
And
*Thomas and John* Okay let's get to work on this Declaration of Independence.
*Benjamin* I FUCKING LOVE THIS CHAIR!
Haha! Adams is like "Really? This chair is our next topic of conversation?"
🤣😂🤣😂
Ben: Well Jeff, Congress is gonna fuck this up.
Thomas: Well, fuck them!
John: I gotchu bro, they won't change a goddamn word.
Thomas: ..Well thanks, brother.
John: :)
Ben: Nice fucking chair!
Thomas: Ooh! Yeah, I used the curtain thing, and yeah man...*Swish*
tbf, Jefferson and Franklin made tons of inventions. I'm sure they talked many times of different inventions they made. This was during the Scientific Revolution after all
I think the point of that scene was twofold. One: show Benjamin Franklin's inventor/scientist side by having him show admiration for Jefferson's invention. Two: show Benjamin's skill as a diplomat by showing him praise Jefferson to make him feel better after he had just spent the previous scene editing and critiquing Jefferson's declaration.
Everyone's busy making Stannis comments, and I'm just too busy marveling at the last scene where the President and the Vice President of the United States are just casually strolling through a city street without any security or crowds.
SuperScarface83 the mannis doesnt need kingsguard, he has his shadow baby
Thems were the days.
It's even crazier when you realize gun rights we're more open back then. Practically anyone could own a gun. Hell, own a cannon while you're at it. A naval warship? Fuck it have 3.
@@snugswashere6504 I honestly think it was a rung bell scenario.
I was thinking the same thing LOL but I guess it must have happened if Hollywood said it did :)
"Alexander Hamilton will bend the knee, or I will destroy him."
It's no coincidence that Stannis the Mannis is my favorite GoT character, and TJ my favorite Founding Father. Both are fuckin bosses.
I like him in this HBO series much better. Stannis was brave and principled but ultimately tragic. Thomas Jefferson was one of the greatest founding fathers. Just wish he didn’t fall out with Adams who is an underrated president in US history.
The casting in this series was superb.
Totally. Especially the actor who played Jefferson. I think he captured Jefferson’s cerebral personality
Here Here!
They were all excellent!!
I really liked George Washington's character!
"Blasted Teeth"!!!
"We need someone with a rather dour expression for Jefferson"
*Stannis the Mannis*
💯💯💯💯💯
Absolutely agree. Brilliant work.
The actor who played Jefferson really nailed his melancholic spirit and pensiveness over the evolution of the Republic.
Stephen Dillane is fantastic in every role he gets
You mean Stannis Baratheon?
1:12 I love this scene. Jefferson and Franklin were both inventors and they take more interest in the swivel chair then they do in the political matters. Adams gets all irritated lol
It is great, because a lot of us are sitting in swivel chairs watching this! Thanks TJ! This chair is pretty cool!
Haha...yes...I liked it too...
And my back thanks to him too.
Franklin was smart, recognizing that Jefferson was offended, he pivoted the conversation elsewhere.
totally, they are more excited about the swivel chair, than his fucking Declaration of Independence he just drafted word for word! Brilliant! You could tell, at least in this movie, that Jefferson would have much rather talked more about the chair than the document, writing is such bore after all!
"We shall draft a new constitution" "But sir hundreds of our rights will not be enumerated !" "Thousands."
Tens of Thousands!
@@seanpoole6155 but my lord there are no such freedoms!
@@davecrupel2817 BUUUUUUDUUUUMDUHDUUUUUUUHHHHHHMMMMMMMM
*orc chanting*
9th (or 8th) Amendment.
Rights which are not enumerated (because they couldn't conceive of them) are protected.
I love when Franklin says "this is a marvelous invention" and you think they're still talking about the country and the Declaration of Independence, but he means the swivel chair.
It was Franklin; he was subtle enough to mean all three . . .
Jefferson had such a swag to him. His witty comments and intelligence is unreal. Man spoke 5 languages as well. Truly innovative and intellectual human being.
"Most of those congressmen should consider themselves luckily I don't hang them for treason"
Hard truths cut both ways, Mr. Adams.
Lmfaoooo yesssssss
"They turned their backs on their rightful President for no better reason than dreams of power and glory, and I have marked them for what they are."
Reference to got?
@@robfab5204 What else? Stannis follows where ever Stephen Dillane goes. Or vice versa.
In reading John Adams biography, it was great to learn that years later their friendship was restored. They both died on the same day----July 4, 1826---exactly 50 years after the declaration of independence. One of the last words uttered by Adams before his death, was, "Jefferson Survives!" Incredible.
yes it is. Devine providence? I dont know...but great cooincidence at any rate!
friendship can and should exist outside of politics, religion, and anything differing. If anything, it is because we are all different that we can be friends.
Jefferson passed away slightly before Adams...Adams had no idea that Jefferson had already died since news traveled quite slowly in those days. But quite telling that both died on the 50th anniversary of declaring independence...couldn't have written a better script.
Photog 1 the messengers who had been sent to the other man to report their own deaths ran into one another on the way
I've been reading their correspondence, I'll let you know how it goes in 5 years or so when I'm done.
I love how they nail the personality of Thomas Jefferson. He was always such a inward, and quiet man. He was fantastic!
just look up and research sally hemings and you will think otherwise
@@lizziehargrove4310
dude stop it. LMFAO you’re downplaying his accomplishments just because of him and sally hemings. grow up.
@@petern9783 Shitty like you?
@@petern9783 Everybody fucking knows about Sally Hemmings. We don't know the specifics about that situation, but EVERY time someone says Jefferson some moron screams "bUt SaLlY hEmMiNgS tHo". That has zero relevancy here. Just shut up.
People who look at historical figures and have to immediately judge if they were « good » or « shitty » people have my pity.
Seriously is judging all you can do, including people who lived in a world fantastically different than our own?
This miniseries gave us some of the best acting in a generation. Paul Giamatti as John Adams, Stephen Dillane as Thomas Jefferson and Laura Linney as Abigale Adams were all astounding.
My favorite series is Rome (2005)
@@stevencoardvenice Rome was excellent. Really wish they had kept it going.
John Milius is a legend.
@@SlapShotRegatta22 exactly. They should do a season 3 with Augustus
I must check that one out if it puts a candle to this!
I got the whole box set off Ebay for 3 bucks new... best 3 bucks I've ever spent...
It is customary to kneel when surrendering to a president.
Nunovia Gottdamnedbizzness bwahahah. Love how Trump brought em all out in a debate to remind everyone the type of people the Clintons are.
@Nunovia Gottdamnedbizzness good one LMFAO👍
Native Americans: We do not kneel.
@@shoukatsukai No but you get screwed by the Komanche.
I thought that the point about the revolution was not to have to kneel to anyone else
I keep coming back to read the Stannis jokes, like a fine wine they get better with age
Dude I’m here years later
Unlike Shireen who will never age
I agree
Feel ya xD
Thomas from the house Jefferson.
First of his name. President of the Americans. Lord of the Thirteen colonies and protector of the United States.
i think he was being sarcastic
i think he was being sarcastic
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Holy shit... Stannis wrote the Declaration of Independence
Dunn123 Amen Ra.
Thomas Jefferson is among the most fascinating of the Founding Fathers. Even with tons of studies and books about him, Jefferson remains a bit mysterious and elusive to us.
Stephen Dillane's portrayal of Jefferson is absolutely superb, and I do not think I have seen a better portrayal of Jefferson on-screen, ever. Mr Dillane must have studied Jefferson extensively for the role, as he gets Jefferson's measured passion across very well, and that mystery and elusiveness across too. The Dillane portrayal is almost as fascinating as Jefferson himself!
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He was a Christian who didn't believe in the Divinity of Jesus. Gives me those mysterious Newton vibes..
The first comment in this section that isn't referencing Stannis lmao
I love and am fascinated by the Marquis de Lafayette. A 19 year old French aristocrat (one of the wealthiest men in France who married into the most well connected family) who defied the king and bought a ship to fight for America for free and clothed, fed, And armed his men and even lived at Valley Forge with them when he could have been in a mansion. Becomes one of Jefferson’s best friends, becomes like a son to Washington, and like a brother to Hamilton. Everyone loved him. Except the French afterwards when their revolution took place. He believed in a constitutional monarchy with the king as a figurehead like Great Britain today. So both sides hated him because he wanted a middle ground because he didn’t believe France could have what America did because America didn’t have royalty, aristocracy, etc for thousands of years. So they killed his wife’s family and was arrested and put in an Austrian prison for 5 years while his wife sent his son George Washington Lafayette to live with Washington wile she and their daughters lived in prison with him. Still on the 50th anniversary of the revolution he visited America and 80,000 of true population of 110,000 people came to see him and t was like that the entire year plus he toured the 24 states. The Beatles only had 4,000 out of 8 million.
Reading about his visit with Jefferson brings tears to my eyes. In the 50s a descendant of Lafayette found tons of letters between him and revolutionaries all over the world . Apparently he spent 2-3 hours a day writing and even houses revolutionaries in hiding whenever needed. He never strayed from his beliefs. He was offered to be dictator twice and turned it down. Jefferson said to him that you think others motivations are as pure as yours, my dear marquis, they are not.
@ApplePie 2019 The Sally Heming is a tall tale cooked by his enemies. He never bedded her. His copy of the Koran was for an understanding of Islam, as he fought to end the Barbary slave trade.
@ApplePie all of the founding fathers were Christian.
Dillane did great in this miniseries. He portrayed Jefferson as he was: brooding, introverted, radical, and brilliant.
No wonder women loved him (the actor and the character!).
Pres. Jefferson hated being Pres. And Stannis doesn't even want to be king.
But they both did their duty.
Oh, I think Stannis wants very much to be king. Which is why I think Jefferson probably has a hard time playing him on TV.
I think his portrayal of Jefferson is more like Stannis than his actual Stannis portrayal. The directors wanted Stannis to be angry because they don't like him, but here as Jefferson you see him being quiet and a man of few words, which is more like what Stannis was supposed to be. Pretty interesting.
TheSilentStorm "Soft spoken", "quiet", and "a man of few words" simply would not have done for Game of Thrones.
***** Stannis doesn't want to be King because he wants to. He wants to be King because it's his duty.
Derek Flores
Funny how throughout actual human history, how many different men (at the same time, too) felt that being a monarch was their "duty".
A very peculiar form of entitlement, indeed.
Tom Jeffersion remarking on the Declaration of Independence: "Meh. It's what I believe." *shrug*
Master of understatement, level 9000
(Throws Three Leeches into a fire) The Usurper John Adams, The Usurper Alexander Hamilton, The Usurper Aaron Burr.
Burr was an anti-federalist same as Jefferson, hell Burr was more radical than Jefferson
Jefferson will always be my favorite founding father. Had so many ideas way before his time.
It's best to say "his qualitites" rather than " he will be my favorite". That falls into idol worship.....which you are perfectly in your right to do....but we are all human....which means so was Jefferson.
Not idol worship, admiration.
He was the first Tea-bagger. Guy's reputation is proped up because he was given credit for penning the DoD. Nice slaves, Thomas.
RedDuppers Men of southern aristocracy owned slaves as a showing of wealth which gave him leverage to rally support form the powerful in the south so they could complete the Deceleration of Independence. However Jefferson was very much against slavery and gave his slaves a good life. Then he freed them upon his death.
and Stannis Baratheon will always be my favourite king.
i wasn’t aware stannis invented the swivel chair
I love Jefferson’s one-liners. Don’t underestimate the quiet ones.
Came here for the Stannis comments, was not disappointed.
dallashood67 i wasnt am not dissappointed either
Bro, I did not even make that connection. But I'm glad you mentioned this cause i had no idea.
An interesting anecdote about Thomas Jefferson:
It has been said that Jefferson possessed the knowledge of the entire known world; that he existed at a time where such a feat could be possible.
Thomas Jefferson broke his writing hand while trying to impress a girl. He then wrote a 12 page letter to her with that broken hand. What a boss
I saw a vision in the flames. A great battle in the south.... I SAW IT.
JEFFERSON INVENTED SWIVEL CHAIRS?!? I LOVE THIS MAN! SWIVEL CHAAAAAAIRS!!!
Stephen Dillane. Such a good actor. Especially in this role.
British actors are amazing.
Jefferson's secretary : ...and I declare upon the honor of my House, that my honorable friend Alexander Hamilton..
Thomas Jefferson : He wasn't "my honorable friend". I didn't love him. He didn't love me.
James Madison : A harmless courtesy, Mr. President.
Thomas Jefferson : A lie. Take it out.
Thomas Jefferson - King of the Andals and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm!
I don’t know why I’m imagining hearing the voice of Brienne of Tarth saying that 😂
M. President-and nothing more.
@@thegoodgeneralIt’s a game of thrones joke
I love all the Stannis comments.
Inside jokes are so annoying.
+Quod Erat Demonstrandum that's because you don't get it
Make America Mannis again!
I don’t understand the “Stannis Comments” can somebody give me context?
@@eyuin5716 the actor for Thomas Jefferson plays as Stannis Baratheon from Game of Thrones
I demand a Thomas Jefferson spin-off!!!
I thought as a Virginian I was prejudiced towards Stephen Dillane’s excellent portrayal of Thomas Jefferson, but delighted to see everyone talking about it. If you have studied Jefferson, you know Dillane did a remarkable job in this series. Best movie Jefferson ever.
Fascinante serie e increíbles actores
He made the show in my opinion. Honestly I’d watch a full movie just about this version of Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson is truly one of my favorite intellectual. I dont believe that without him, that America would have been founded on moral values.
Without Thomas Paine there wouldn't be no America.
You must feel some concern at our own time then?
The party that recently seized power is dismantling traditional values and laws.
But a people always get the government they deserve.
@@TheGunderian Quote Jefferson: ''I am increasingly pursuaded that the earth belongs exclusively to the living and that one generation has no more right to bind another to its laws and judgments than one independant nation has the right to command another.''
If you understand what Jefferson was saying, then you understand that you cannot impose your laws, tradition and values to the current generation.
That if these traditions; laws and values was something they desired, you wouldn't have to force it down their throats. They would preserve them willingly and no government could force them otherwise.
The problem is not a political party. They are only the symptom of the will of the people.
Instead of trying to pursuade people to preserve something they do not desire. Try to figure out a system that is viable and that the people want.
I suspect that this desirable system wouldn't demonize and oppress half the population just because they have a penis in order to benefit the other half who do not have penises. Just sayin...
Both the left and the right are guilty of this gynocentric disease. And this, my friend, is the reason why most men wont lift the little finger to save the west.
Can we get a Thomas Jefferson series. There’s even more intrigue!
So many comments about Stannis. Aside from that, Thomas Jefferson will always be one of the best Founding Fathers. His cunning intelligence was wonderful, proficient in so many fields.
The restoration of this friendship is one of the greatest in history. Although both came from extremely different backgrounds, political opinions, regions of the country they both were arguably the most monumental figures in the Revolution, among the Founding Fathers. It is more than fitting, thanks to the grace of God, that they both died on the 50th Anniversary of July 4th, 1826. A story only history could tell to the ages.
seriously one of the greatest and most understated performances ive ever seen, stephen dillane is amazing, perfectly captures jeffersons quiet charisma.
I sort of have a crush on Jefferson here. He's a smooth talker, intelligent, and cute.
He is the whole reason I watched this.
Hahahaha me too. I loved the whole thing but yeah, my professor showed the clip where they're editing the Declaration and Jefferson was so awesome so I decided I'd watch it so I did.
Notice the scenes in the US he speaks only a few words at a time and seems almost a bit depressed, the scene in Paris he's the most jolly and vocal one. Guess his heart really was there.
the way they held hands/arms were just so adorable, as was their friendship in it's good times.
Jefferson was a cool dude. Father, friend, gardener, founding father. I've been to Monticello, its beautiful. He really liked gardens.
An inventor and scientist too
and slaves owner.
+Teddy Techilo It was a different time then. I don't understand why you must judge men in history by using the morale of modern times. You're showing complete ignorance and incompetence to separate history from what you grew up learning to be just. I'm willing to bet men and women in the future will find some things that we do to be completely disgusting and immoral.
+Robert E. Lee the only ignorant and incompetent person here is you, the fact is he was a slave owner. if you are offended by the comments i made that's your problem not mine.
Many people at the time were slave holders. There was not much to do nor place to go for freed slaves. The country as a whole was racist and blacks knew that. If slaves that are on a decent plantation with a good standard of living were set free, there is a good chance their situation could be made worse leaving that environment. It is not a definite but a possibility
"I was trying to win the presidency to save the country, when I should have been trying to save the country to win the presidency"
I LOVE TJ, and I love this actor's portrayal of him. Especially those little smiles. So endearing! This mini series was so fantastic; definitely got me thinking much more critically, and appreciatively, of our government and founding fathers!
"To the usurper John Adams, To the usurper aaron burr,
To the usurper Alexander hamilton"
Love this comment 😂 a fearsome lineup of enemies
All hail Presdent Stannis of the house Baratheon.
Its so interesting that back then they viewed basically each individual colony as their own countries.
Because it literally was the case in the 18th century and 19th century. Why do you think 80 years later Robert E Lee refused to fight for the union when Virginia left to join the Confederate states of America. Same in Canada the states and provinces where basically like individual countries. There was no fast instant connection. Like we have in the 21st.century of 20th century. And it took months to get messages from one place to another. And most people never stepped outside of their own state. We take it for granted that we live in a easily accessible fast communication era
The idea of belonging to a single country, the 'American' identity really only started to form after the civil war.
Before that the United States was thought more of as a confederation of individual states, people identified more with their state than the country as a whole.
Now Stannis is literally the leader of the free folks
Jefferson will always remain my favorite founding father
deepheart100 just look up and research sally hemings and you will think otherwise
The one true King of Westeros...Stannis Baratheon.
Stannis the Mannis!
Stannis be dead.
fuck me, it's really him :0
Then would sally Hemings be Melisandre?
@FORREST GUMP ....then a brontosaurus squashed him like a bug.
I love that the man playing Jefferson is actually British.
Also that he's so damn sexy.
Jefferson himself was pure British he had traces of English Scot and Welsh in him!
Agree!.. very handsome man!
Mostly English and Welsh tho
It’s Stephen Dillane 🔥
@@tryntobe9804 Played the painter in The Crown. Superb actor.
There needs to be about 10 more of these films......This was EXTREMELY well done and HONEST.
Jefferson, Adams... Kennedy.
These are the type of men I admire and look up to.. today's politicians are not motivated by freedom and liberty for all but for money and power for themselves and their constituents.
the actor who portrayed Thomas Jefferson was tremendous it was by far the best thing about this terrific miniseries.Jefferson was an amazing man.
TheRedBaron Lives! the actor is the one true king of westeros. his strength and power lie in his presence and words. he is stannis, the one true mannis
Matthew Koessler
Don't know what you're referencing,but ok.lol
TheRedBaron Lives! the actor who played jefferson also playes a badass named stannis on game of thrones.
Great Acting from both actors. I was very interested in this Mini tv series
One of my favorite performances in the whole series...
Writes one of the most important documents in history*
Jefferson: meeh its what i believe
Gives me chills. The expanse of their brilliance. Their different opinions and approaches truly came from a good place. Pat yourself on the back that YOU wouldn't have done some of the bad things they did but you're lying to yourself. If you lived back then in their place... you would have been the worst of them all.
Irrelevant comparison. Of course you can't compare people hundreds of years apart. Only on relative scale of the population. Of course, with respect to the times, these were people of great character
Ser Davos for Vice President.
MW MW “And when I sit in the Oval Office, you will be my Vice” 😂
"I've never been much of a campaigner. Forgive me, for what you are about to see on MSNBC."
I love the subtle Irish and British accents.
I don't know if it's accurate or not but makes the origin of American accent feel natural
this is stannis if he had a place in the small council
Stannis was in the small council (Master of Ships I believe) before he left Kings Landing
Andreas Willis you are correct sir.
Andreas Willis He was the Secretary of the Navy.
Red Dell
He was on the council as master of ships. he left to dragonstone after Jon arryn died, correctly suspecting a plot against them both who were at the verge of proving that Robert's children were all bastards
John Adams: someone said “keep your enemies close”
Jefferson: whoever said that didn’t have many enemies…
The One True President
Marlon Taylor More like the one true hypocrite.
Mynameis Nunya ayyy lmao
+Family Value Loving Mistress Assucking CONservative +10
just look up and research sally hemings and you will think otherwise
Where In The World Is Agent Orange's Tax Returns he made fun of hamilton for having an affair when he had one too- i’ll say
Love Ben Franklin throwin' props at Jefferson for the chair. Ingenious pair.
Almost incredible to think that there was a time when the President and Vice President of the United States could walk down the street together while discussing national policy on an issue and be completely unnoticed by everyone else on the street.
I remember when this 1st came out on HBO! It made me extremely proud and grateful to be American!
I love how nonchalantly Jefferson sits in his chair as Adams speaks about the DoI, as if he hadn't just written this immensely important document. Great directing.
"Perhaps the art of life is the art of avoiding pain ... its the best pilot who steers clear of the rocks and shoals" , damn, love these lines and this splendid mini series.
Jefferson owned this movie!!!!!!
Yes, yes. I did.
Perfect actor to play the role of Thomas Jefferson!!
*[GRITTING TEETH INTENSIFIES]*
AdamG1983 funny im doing that right now
Heavy lies the crown
The swivel chair is an amazing gift to humanity
Can't help thinking of it in Downton Abbey.
Jefferson is the one true king of Americaros.
Jefferson would of considered your statement an insult lol.
United States of Westeros
+James Madison he would not have had any bloody idea what he’s talking about
No kings or queens. Jefferson is not a king nor did he ever intend on being one!! You missed the whole point of the revolution..
just look up and research sally hemings and you will think otherwise
Stannis Baratheon and Pig Vomit just hanging out together
I love Jefferson
I love you too, MrKajithecat
I'm pleased to see all the Stanis jokes.
Those aren't just jokes, they are facts.
Jefferson is still my absolutely one of my favorite founders.
The United States Declaration of Independence was actually inspired and influenced by the widespread publication and circulation of pamphlets of "Common Sense" by Thomas Paine! Before the widespread circulation of "Common Sense", there were no Revolutionary patriots who openly advocated American Independence from British Empire! I just don't know why Thomas Paine is not considered as one of the Founders of the United States!
Jefferson is that one really smart really chill friend that you can always go to for advice
Thomas of the House Jefferson....born of salt and smoke.
Is he a ham?
And just like that, I have a massive crush on Jefferson.
stannis in disguise,travelling to other universes! :D
omg i see you everywhere
Little known fact: If you go to Monticello, you can see the spot where Thomas Jefferson and the Red Woman sacrificed British soldiers to the Lord of Light.
"The Darkness will devour them all unless I triumph." -Thomas Jefferson
“I have no gift for oratory.”
Same. I write better than I talk. When I talk, I stammer and stumble over my words. When I write, I’m much more eloquent and better at expressing myself.
it's just an issue of self-confidence, just work on it
I love these series, I just purchased all the episodes.
Jefferson is one of my favorite Founding Fathers, he was a genius ahead of his time.
Actor Stephen Dilane played him brilliantly, Jefferson would be amazed himself.
Best founding father who ever lived!!! Thomas and George.
And they died on the same day...july 4th...50th anniversary of independece
His several hundred slaves would agree with you no doubt.
Bosniake Actually Thomas and John Adams died on the same day.
John Smith You are judging a man based on your time, not his. Many founders owned slaves. It was a point of contention among the early congress, and yes, morally reprehensible. Thomas Jefferson was a man of his times, and despite these moral qualms, his genius and influence cannot be discounted. Also, he had many positive qualities worthy of a great man. He was wary of financial institutions and organized religion, which I believe are both admirable qualities.
Stannis the Mannis!
just look up and research sally hemings and you will think otherwise
Thomas Jefferson= Stannis Baratheon
*bends knee to the Thomas the Mannis Jefferson*
I’m crying at all the got references. 😂
Jefferson understood that politics is about understanding the needs and wants of their people. not their own gain.
Ironically, democratic process fosters an extremely selfish general public and elected officials who put on what people WANT to see, in order to be elected.