What a fucking travesty and joke that is being made of in the US right now. Like Trump or hate him, the uniparty New World Order is steamrolling the US justice system just to silence one man
I have always thought of Adams defense of the British Soldiers charged with murder in the Boston Massacre as a proud moment in American history. An illustration of what our country should be, and can be. What it truly means to be American.
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence”. This line is so important in times like these.
Stories I've head about John Adams paint him as one of the most arrogant, stubborn, and frustrating men imaginable. But it must have take balls like few could imagine to put himself in this position.
He had some great and not so great qualities, from what I have read. All the founders had their issues, just like all of us today. I enjoy reading about these people, and how they were able to found this wonderful experiment in governance, even with their flaws.
I loved reading his diary about this time he and Ben Franklin had to share a small inn room because the town was all booked up. They argued about keeping the window open or closed most of the time and although Adams thought Franklin was wrong he respected his intellect too much to not hear all his arguments. It's a great little story.
Facts doesn't care about feelings. You can cry, whine, and screech all you want, but the evidence still stands proof to truth. That's how stubborn it could be, same reason why many people hate it. It puts all their evil and humiliation to light.
facts are stubborn things, but if you don't have all the facts the facts you do have can be misleading you. we almost never have all the facts. This is the great failing of our justice system, it relies on having the facts, and we almost never have all the facts. and almost never are all the facts we DO have presented in court.
Alan..that's what makes this early American's stand so much more special...I will never defend the war crimes of my countrymen....but they did not occur in a vacuum..it does not excuse them..but it might help explain them..
@@bluekitty3731 Chris Hemsworth was excellent as James Hunt in Rush. Of course, James Hunt was a very athletic, charismatic and handsome racing driver. A leading man role indeed. Paul Giamatti is a character actor. I believe character actors are the most versatile and talented performers in the world.
@@chanboonyee6788 So? Daniel Day-Lewis isn't American, but did you rail in all caps when he played Lincoln? Brits, Aussies, et al. play American characters all the time these days; do you point that out as well? Where do you draw the line? Does an actor have to be from Cleveland if he's portraying someone from Cleveland? It's called acting for a reason.
His wife, Abigail Adams, nee Smith, was brilliant and very tough. Her counsel and contribution to her husbands success is difficult to measure. "If we mean to have heroes, statesmen and philosophers, we should have learned women." Abigail Adams
A good woman can force a man, if need be, to become a tough, strong and reliable individual. Not because of pressure or obligation, but an expression of gratitude to life and to God for having a good wife to remind you of what a good man can do and accomplish by listening to a proper counsel.
Captain Preston was by all surviving accounts a good man and able officer. The events of March 5, 1770 were forced upon him when his acting superior officer, a teenage boy whose father had purchased his commission was not up to the task of protecting the soldiers in addition to handling the growing mob. Captain Preston joined his besieged soldiers on King St knowing he was in an impossible & explosive situation. During the trial many townspeople attested to his affable personality.
@@CombatIneffective An unfortunate situation. Youthful and probably untested troops facing a hostile mob. And the mob may well have been encouraged by that fact. A tragedy. But Adams correctly separated the politics of colonial life and colonist grievances from the event itself, the details surrounding it, and the applicable laws. He was a most capable and effective advocate.
@@57highland What I appreciate about that moment in history was that it showed we were a people and a country that was not trying to get retribution for the perceived injustices sent by the King. We simply wanted to be treated fairly and with representation. Those men were tried and found not guilty because of that fact. Although to be honest here, George Washington does have a fairly crucial hand in the taxes meant to pay for the 7 years war and the French and Indian war. He pretty much started it by ambushing a french delegation that had their ambassador. Not making this fact up either. He was Major Washington of the Continental Army at that time.
This series is breathtaking and i find nearly no flaws in it. The sets, the costumes, the b-roll, the accents all make my brain convinced I’m in the 1770s
They do take into account the feelings of those involved. Facts are important, but to not take into account surrounding circumstances that bring into being those facts, such as the emotions, actions and words taken by those involved is to simply have part of the picture. Before you inevitably misquote me as is wont to do on the internet, consider for a moment that context can give clues. John Adams defended what he FELT was right. After all, it was not like defending a murderer. In a modern context, if one of those soldiers killed someone, be with purpose or on accident, it should be demanded that charges be levied against him, as with a protester who goes to far. Facts care about feelings even here as Adams shows that he understands that there is good reason to be indignant, but in the end, by examination to the best of knowledge what occurred, both parties can bring about a fair trial, punishing justly those soldiers who actually did kill, out of malice or by accident, members of the public and citizens of Massachusetts, a colony subject to the British Empire, whose peace they were supposed to protect and ensure according to local circumstances and the laws of the colony and the British Parliament, be it if she had passed laws that were to take effect in the colonies, whose legal system was shared with and binding in the British domain. Facts can resolve a public outrage, facts can take down corrupt individuals such as Trump (among others, I know that there are more). Facts certainly care.
This moment, right here, defending your enemy in court, understanding that justice and passion must be separate, is what truly proves that America was ready to govern herself.
Unfortunately Christian Nationalists, MAGA Trumplican Neo Confederate fascists and lunatic hyperleft forces are all out there testing our system...with unreasonable passion for the radical, the make-believe & a aggressive mob.
***** the word taigs means Catholics. many aristocrats is not Adams.you have to remember this is the 1700's and the English had many conflicts with the Irish and most colonist were from England.. the word racist is becoming a foolish buzz word for people that simply don't understand much imo.... it's really becoming quite tiresome as well as meaningless to thinking people the whole world over
***** I just want to point out that without the use of punctuation you ended up saying that John Adams was Irish... and said America wouldn't be were it was today without him... Grats!
@Just Jeff You heard about that too, huh? I tried to find information about his criminal record, but not many people were sharing it. I finally found it through this video: th-cam.com/video/V5WD9mX5dOg/w-d-xo.html Here's the article: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8366533/George-Floyd-moved-Minneapolis-start-new-life-released-prison-Texas.html The Daily Mail tries to keep people from using ad blockers, but you could probably get around it somehow. In Safari, you can open Reader View and see the whole article just fine. Apparently, •in 2007, he and five other men robbed a woman's home with a gun, while she was home, for money and drugs; •in the early 2000s, he had a bunch of cocaine possession convictions; •in 2002, he spent a month in jail for a month for criminal trespassing; •in 1998, he committed some kind of armed theft; •and a little before that, he had some other theft and drug charges. But he was apparently reformed by 2014 and turned into a generally respectable person. If you haven't already, you should read that article. It's pretty interesting.
The police are not meant to be the judge, jury and executioner. He did not deserved to be killed in the street like an animal, no matter what he had done in the past.
"On the one hand it is inexorable to the cries and lamentations of the prisoners; on the other it is deaf, deaf as an adder to the clamors of the populace." Rule of law is the one of the best creations of mankind.
+Scott Germanicus Then give credit to the individuals who created the system, not the entire race. You racist fuck. Adams himself was antislavery. End of discussion.
@@flowerlandfilms Man did not create himself. Self-evident truths found acknowledged in this county's founding documents and serving still as the basis of human rights is a citation for you on that. You're welcome.
See _Boston Massacre_, by Hiller Zobell. As a lawyer he researched the case in both Boston and London. The book, published in 1976,was an immediate classic.
Great respect for taking and producing such a brilliant defense of those Soldiers. He's right about popular opinion and an excess of passion being dangerous to lives of both sides let alone the credibility of the grievences.
With politics today and the heated discussion over police brutality, this really hits home. Where have the politicians like this have gone? Look at the corrupted leaders we have today
The sad truth is, this is fictional. Politics have always been mudslinging and attacking. The actual defense by John Adams was to claim the attackers were all horrible people: - "a motley rabble of saucy boys, negroes, and molattoes, Irish teagues and outlandish Jack Tarrs" (sailors) - "And why we should scruple to call such a set of people a mob, I can't conceive, unless the name is too respectable for them. The sun is not about to stand still or go out, nor the rivers to dry up because there was a mob in Boston on the 5th of March that attacked a party of soldiers." - "his very look was enough to terrify any person" + "with one hand [he] took hold of a bayonet, and with the other knocked the man down." + "in all probability, the dreadful carnage of that night is chiefly to be ascribed." (of a black man, Crispus Attucks, who two witnesses stated was 12+ feet away from everything)
I love this series. They did such a great job of distilling the personalities, words, and philosophies of the men & women it depicts without bogging the medium down by too long or overburdened dialog. THIS is how you write and act a solid historical drama.
Awkwardly enough, it was the REMOVAL of these very same rights the soldiers relied on here from the colonists that started the chain of events that led to the Revolution.
‘A sentry’s post is his castle, and to attack it by English law is an illegal act. Soldiers so assaulted may defend themselves to the death.’ I wish ignorant tourists remember that when mocking the Queens Guard.
John Adams was a smart obnoxious loud dude, he was really hated by a lot of his colleagues. The people of Boston especially. Growing up, he was a farmer, and he was told repeatedly that he didn't have a future. He grew up, became a lawyer, was elected as a colonial representative, became Vice President of the U.S, and then became president. I know I most likely will never have a future like his, but what I do know is that just because people now think my beliefs are stupid, I will have the respect of people in the future.
People think flat earthers are stupid now...I doubt they'll be vindicated any time soon. Ridicule now doesn't necessarily lead to accolades in the future.
Being thought stupid by the masses is necessary, but not sufficient. If they think you are stupid that does not necessarily make you smart. But if they think you are smart that DOES make you stupid...
I agree,John Adams was one of the best lawyers this country has ever had. Fast forward to the 1800's,and Francis Scott Key was as well. But there are probably other good ones that I may not know about yet. Will have to look into this to learn more. But we definitely need more John Adams type of lawyers today.
As of writing, we’re nearing the end of the Rittenhouse trial. I had to return to this court masterpiece. The accused should be judged solely on the evidence produced at court, and the jury put themselves in his shoes. The mainstream media will have you believe it’s a Vs match between the political ideology of Rittenhouse and the rioters, with the media outlets using them as their political toy soldiers. This seems so civilised, and a complete world away. May the United States not forget, and continue to be a bastion of freedom, and envy of the world. The founding fathers were the most fallible whilst simultaneously being the most wise and self awared of man.
In some of my erstwhile circles, a disconcerting number of people expressed such high-minded sentiments about the conduct of the Rittenhouse trial, and then went back to speaking of the need for Balkanization and tearing down the system after seeing the results of the Chauvin trial. If only this integrity was more often appealed to with something like consistency.
Hmmm..."a man's vehicle is his freedom, and to not have it where it needs to be on time is a punishable act. Drivers so late may resort to moving their vehicle at a higher speed...to anyone else's death, if necessary!" Doesn't quite have the same ring to it. Maybe if I said it with Paul's voice...
Paul Giamminti killed it in this mini series. The part that I really liked, was his and Jefferson’s relationship. Probably the most important for the founding of the country, along with Franklin.
One of Adam’s finest moments. He risked it all standing on principles and the rule of law despite the anti-British fervor in Boston at the time. Thank goodness he sided with America in the end.
The HBO movie is not accurate. 2 of the men who did fire got manslaughter 2nd degree instead of murder. Because they were respected soldiers (like we respect ours today) they got their thumbs flattened by a hammer for reacting too quickly. The rest were found innocent
@Timothy Gibney They had their thumbs branded, not flattened. They escaped death by pleading benefit of clergy, which meant that they could read and write. Flattening their thumbs would have made it difficult for them to write.
This scene should be played in the White House, in Congress, in every State Legislature, and on every news program, and it should be repeated as often as necessary until everyone understands, believes, and acts on its truth. Facts ARE stubborn things.
Excellent miniseries! I've often wondered if the courtroom dialogue in scenes like this, is actually what was said. Was there a form of court reporter at the time, maybe usung a form of shorthand to record all that wa said?
It would have been amazing if we’d had modern stenographers back then. That way, will be able to read for ourselves the argument that won an acquittal for Adams’s clients, from what must have been a hostile jury.
John Adams reminds us that, contrary to popular belief, America is not a democracy, it is a republic ruled by laws, hence the phrase in the pledge allegiance "and to the Republic for which it stands". Nowhere in the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution, nor the constitutions of all 50 states does the word "democracy" even appear. Granted, there's a democratic aspect to it, but at its core, America is a republic. What's the difference, you ask? In a democracy it's majority rules; in a republic the law protects the individual from the majority. Ever wonder why a Jury's decision has to be unanimous or else the defendant goes free? Because of the law. This is also why all suspects are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
Yes thanks. "Of laws not of men" so to speak. That's the trouble with "the people", remove basic civil reasoning such as "innocent until proven guilty" or "my enemy isn't a nation it's a notion" (by which I mean anti-xenophobic/nationalistic bigotry), and "turn the other cheek" and "money won't make the world a better place the freedom to make money will" (by which I mean repealing plutocratic notions of trade choking others into effective slavery), well then inevitably you are going to have a system that is run by monsters be it democratically or otherwise. If ethics and liberties aren't joined in the hearts of those with authority under law then whilst on paper a nation may be "a free country", in reality it's a dictatorship, closet or otherwise. Any nation that is ruled by people who can't trust, or be trusted by, those they rule, is one of fear, not freedom.
By your definition there would be very few democracies, it would even exlude the original one, the athenian democracy. A republic is a form of democracy, whether you like it or not, it's only in the last decades that people got confused about that. Any form of goverment where a population get to vote on it's leaders and lawmakers is a democracy. The US republic is more democratic then most historical democracies ever were.
The very fact that Adams defended men who, otherwise, he would abhor as representative enemies of an ideological foe, and even successfully acquitted them of the charges of murder in that they acted precisely as they were supposed to, and in self defense knowing that the rioters present were throwing objects with intent to cause harm. Is a testament to Adams' character. The ability to represent the people, who represent the very thing that is causing hardship for all, and enforcing the very things that you do not agree with and even outspokenly dissent against, and successfully prove their innocence? It takes a special kind of moral character to put aside such differences and see to the end, TRUE justice served. Not political, emotional, or wrongful justice to appease angry masses.
Adams believed strongly in the rule of law, not passion or tyranny. One of the most distinctive things about the American Revolution was the fact that it was not merely the American colonists rising up against the Crown. It was the American GOVERNMENT rising up against the Crown. Most rebellions have had leaders in history, but leaders only, not an actual, formal, functioning government. The American colonists were not rebelling against the rule of law, but the rule of BRITISH law. And unlike some rebellions, they did not wait to see if they won the war before founding a new government, they founded one and THEN went to war to defend it. Despite being rebels, there were laws and rules of conduct enforced upon the American citizenry, militia and Continental forces by their own government. And that, in large part, contributed to the success of the Revolution.
An actual interesting fact you mention. The fact that we had something to defend separated us from just unrepresented rouges. I like your way of pointing this out.
Loved the actor who played John Adams. A very shameful act on our part when British soldiers opened fire on civilians, but he actually did achieve a good verdict at the end of the trial.Sadly,the acquittal didn't make him popular, but he still emerged as an American hero of the Revolution. Even with me being English, I would have loved to have met John Adams.
Adams did have a point though. The sentries were guarding their post's. The crowd became hostile, then violent. Throwing things at the soldiers, threatening to knock them down. There was not a man among them that did not come away with some scrape, cut or bruise. In those circumstances, any man would fear for their life. Soldiers are trained to all force necessary to defend themselves. The only shameful thing was the events that lead to British soldiers being placed in Boston. And to that, there were many mistakes made on both sides of the pond.
...and they were aquitted. He was brilliant. Proud to be an American. We're in big trouble with the curbing of voting rights. God help our young republic.
@@57highland He's the one who asks John Adams which side he's on, to which John responds, "I'm on the side of the law -- is there another?" "Justice and the Rule of Law are to be ABOVE politics." -- John Adams. John also hated the British, but no one else would take the case defending the British troops, to which they had a fundamental right. John lost business doing that, but he was defending due process and the rule of law -- "No one charged with a crime should lack for a competent defense."
@@57highland Yes. He was propagandizing that the British troops were "murderers" while John Adams was defending them in court. The order to the British troops to "FIRE!" came from the MOB, NOT from the Captain.
@@jnagarya519 Also, except for Captain Preston, the British soldiers (defendants) all look very young. Do you think that is historically accurate? I'm not saying that it isn't or wouldn't be accurate; it just hadn't occurred to me that the British soldiers (conscripts?) would be so youthful.
I will say this.. I have seen a lot of comments on John Adams BEING a history buff~.. but besides.. GW, LINCOLN, ROOSEVELT , JFK.. AND MY FAVORITE REAGAN... John Adams DOES NOT GET enough credit in history book or what have you on making this independence happen~.. he might of been stubborn , arrogant, hard-headed, etc... but.. it takes a man like that to get a point a across and still love this country without a agenda.. bk then they were trying to make a better life for themselves.. without a agenda~... we all need to get bk to that... and with the presence of GOD in our lives... * MY OPINION*
Before taking any public office all citizens should be required to view this passage and then be tested upon same. Anyone not scoring 100% is disqualified from holding public office. FACTS ARE STUBBORN THINGS...
Looking at the current state and direction of this country as the saying goes the founding fathers must be turning in their graves. An absolute deviation from the vision they had.
God bless John Adams! A man who understood 250 years ago the importance of due process Respect from this Briton! Adams' British contemporary William Garrow coined the concept of 'Innocent until proven guilty' - there was a series on him too - 'Garrows Law'
Emphasized in the miniseries more than by McCullogh's book, as was the indignity of the kings Intolerable Act to call accused to England for trial, since none can be obtained in the Colonies, supposedly.
It cannot be overstated the positive influence John Adams had on the revolution. The Sons of Liberty and many other likeminded people had all the worst inclinations of the French revolutionaries that bathed Paris in blood. It took a man like Adams who saw the mob as no more inherently virtuous than a king to fight tirelessly to ensure we'd be "a nation of laws and not of men."
It's a story as old as time: when people are under attack, they will defend themselves with whatever they have at hand. The "victims" of such a defense started it, and as such being "unarmed" doesn't make the men defending themselves in the wrong.
“Prisoners must be judged SOLELY upon the evidence produced against them in court and by nothing else.”
Agreed and that is what it be. Evidence not emotion or polls
It is supposed to be this way
Yeah right😂
What a fucking travesty and joke that is being made of in the US right now. Like Trump or hate him, the uniparty New World Order is steamrolling the US justice system just to silence one man
Boy, have strayed from that basic Notion of jurisprudence years Later... and look ahat has Happened to this great country
Paul Giammati beasted on this role so hard. He gives such weight to every piece of dialogue. Feels Aristotle is writing for him.
I only knew him in stuff like Cinderella Man and Downton Abbey and THIS just showed how great an actor he is.
He was great in the NwA movie
He killed this shit OFF! Honestly, this whole cast was amazing, Giamatti earned the MVP.
@@BucketThinkTank14657Nerd Take a look at Sideways. Completely different sort of movie and he nails it like a carpenter.
He had me in awe and tears every episode
In my humbly honest opinion, one of the greatest feats of acting ever, full stop.
I have always thought of Adams defense of the British Soldiers charged with murder in the Boston Massacre as a proud moment in American history. An illustration of what our country should be, and can be. What it truly means to be American.
michael myrick Not any more.
Well said!
Certainly what it SHOULD mean.
reinstate trump !
@Dennis D ah but the word traitor has many faces
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence”.
This line is so important in times like these.
Huzzah!
In other words. Facts don't care about your feelings
nobody likes the facts anymore only about how it fits their dogmatic narrative
@@Juan-qq1rb ben shapiro seeks truth and justice like john adams did
@@brianweyne5723 Thanks for the laugh!
Fun fact: When John Adams was in London after the war, he ran into Captain Preston, the man he counseled and represented.
and then what
@@loganavery4951 they went to the movies. to see star wars.
@@nro2549 This needs to be a thing. Someone needs to make it happen.
@@loganavery4951 Gave each other a damn good buggering.
smoked some top grade opium
Stories I've head about John Adams paint him as one of the most arrogant, stubborn, and frustrating men imaginable. But it must have take balls like few could imagine to put himself in this position.
Daniel Ryan He was an ENTP.......one of the best.
He was often misunderstood by lesser men. That doesn't mean he was as they described him.
He had some great and not so great qualities, from what I have read. All the founders had their issues, just like all of us today. I enjoy reading about these people, and how they were able to found this wonderful experiment in governance, even with their flaws.
You can be all of those things forgivably if you are right.
I loved reading his diary about this time he and Ben Franklin had to share a small inn room because the town was all booked up. They argued about keeping the window open or closed most of the time and although Adams thought Franklin was wrong he respected his intellect too much to not hear all his arguments. It's a great little story.
“Facts are stubborn things.” -John Adams
Fact.
@@OneofInfinity. ha!
Facts doesn't care about feelings. You can cry, whine, and screech all you want, but the evidence still stands proof to truth. That's how stubborn it could be, same reason why many people hate it. It puts all their evil and humiliation to light.
facts are stubborn things, but if you don't have all the facts the facts you do have can be misleading you. we almost never have all the facts. This is the great failing of our justice system, it relies on having the facts, and we almost never have all the facts. and almost never are all the facts we DO have presented in court.
Standing up for the right thing: a lost art.
ScottAlmighty AMEN
+ScottAlmighty Especially when it's unpopular.
GDuff123
Okay, I'll bite. What do you mean the "wrong thing" ?
Alan..that's what makes this early American's stand so much more special...I will never defend the war crimes of my countrymen....but they did not occur in a vacuum..it does not excuse them..but it might help explain them..
What a brain wank. What is this "right thing"? And who decides? And when can one be said to have stood up for it?
Paul Giamatti was born for this role. Not a handsome actor with six-pack abs, but he absolutely owned this role.
Well I'll take mr Paul Giamatti over any one of the Hellmsworth's any day of the week and trice on sunday!
It would be funny though to see a handsome, six pack abs actor play John Adams
@@bluekitty3731 Chris Hemsworth was excellent as James Hunt in Rush. Of course, James Hunt was a very athletic, charismatic and handsome racing driver. A leading man role indeed. Paul Giamatti is a character actor. I believe character actors are the most versatile and talented performers in the world.
@@zatchbell622 PAUL GIAMATTI ISN'T ENGLISH THOUGH IN REAL LIFE! THE ACTUAL JOHN ADAMS WAS IN TERMS OF BACKGROUND.
@@chanboonyee6788 So? Daniel Day-Lewis isn't American, but did you rail in all caps when he played Lincoln? Brits, Aussies, et al. play American characters all the time these days; do you point that out as well?
Where do you draw the line? Does an actor have to be from Cleveland if he's portraying someone from Cleveland? It's called acting for a reason.
His wife, Abigail Adams, nee Smith, was brilliant and very tough. Her counsel and contribution to her husbands success is difficult to measure.
"If we mean to have heroes, statesmen and philosophers, we should have learned women." Abigail Adams
It's clear she was a founding mother. Or, that the Abigail-John Adams partnership was a founder.
Behind every successful man is a woman.
@@aussiegod4269 No
@@jadapinkett1656 Yes
A good woman can force a man, if need be, to become a tough, strong and reliable individual. Not because of pressure or obligation, but an expression of gratitude to life and to God for having a good wife to remind you of what a good man can do and accomplish by listening to a proper counsel.
"...lest, born away by a torrent of passion, we make shipwreck of conscience." We could use this sage advice today.
Only applies to people whose consciences aren't already shipwrecked.
This man defined what a lawyer is supposed to be, hes one any reasonable lawyer looks up to for inspiration
Yup. Money inspires too, and many follows the path towards greed. For this, justice is abandoned, and confidence to the state dwindles because of it.
Captain Preston was by all surviving accounts a good man and able officer. The events of March 5, 1770 were forced upon him when his acting superior officer, a teenage boy whose father had purchased his commission was not up to the task of protecting the soldiers in addition to handling the growing mob. Captain Preston joined his besieged soldiers on King St knowing he was in an impossible & explosive situation. During the trial many townspeople attested to his affable personality.
Adams recalled seeing Preston on the streets of London after the war, while serving as US Minister to Britain
Some of the British soldiers in this scene appear to be not much more than teen-aged boys.
@@57highland and that would be correct for the time and for many soldiers today. Many enlist in the summer right out of high school.
@@CombatIneffective An unfortunate situation. Youthful and probably untested troops facing a hostile mob. And the mob may well have been encouraged by that fact. A tragedy. But Adams correctly separated the politics of colonial life and colonist grievances from the event itself, the details surrounding it, and the applicable laws. He was a most capable and effective advocate.
@@57highland What I appreciate about that moment in history was that it showed we were a people and a country that was not trying to get retribution for the perceived injustices sent by the King. We simply wanted to be treated fairly and with representation. Those men were tried and found not guilty because of that fact.
Although to be honest here, George Washington does have a fairly crucial hand in the taxes meant to pay for the 7 years war and the French and Indian war. He pretty much started it by ambushing a french delegation that had their ambassador. Not making this fact up either. He was Major Washington of the Continental Army at that time.
This series is breathtaking and i find nearly no flaws in it. The sets, the costumes, the b-roll, the accents all make my brain convinced I’m in the 1770s
Facts don't care about your feelings. -John Adams
Dakkogi Raoru
Glad I’m not the only one who made that connection
They do take into account the feelings of those involved. Facts are important, but to not take into account surrounding circumstances that bring into being those facts, such as the emotions, actions and words taken by those involved is to simply have part of the picture. Before you inevitably misquote me as is wont to do on the internet, consider for a moment that context can give clues. John Adams defended what he FELT was right. After all, it was not like defending a murderer. In a modern context, if one of those soldiers killed someone, be with purpose or on accident, it should be demanded that charges be levied against him, as with a protester who goes to far. Facts care about feelings even here as Adams shows that he understands that there is good reason to be indignant, but in the end, by examination to the best of knowledge what occurred, both parties can bring about a fair trial, punishing justly those soldiers who actually did kill, out of malice or by accident, members of the public and citizens of Massachusetts, a colony subject to the British Empire, whose peace they were supposed to protect and ensure according to local circumstances and the laws of the colony and the British Parliament, be it if she had passed laws that were to take effect in the colonies, whose legal system was shared with and binding in the British domain. Facts can resolve a public outrage, facts can take down corrupt individuals such as Trump (among others, I know that there are more). Facts certainly care.
SoundCeremony I was using first individual that came to mind. And if Trump is not corrupt, Korea is united. Go back to the shadows.
@@masonharvath-gerrans832 Facts will remain, long after Trump, or you and I, are dead and gone .
Conservatives would have executed them without a second thought and shrugged their shoulders
This moment, right here, defending your enemy in court, understanding that justice and passion must be separate, is what truly proves that America was ready to govern herself.
Guantanamo
Was he his enemy?
Unfortunately Christian Nationalists, MAGA Trumplican Neo Confederate fascists and lunatic hyperleft forces are all out there testing our system...with unreasonable passion for the radical, the make-believe & a aggressive mob.
John Adams has to have been one of the most righteous men ever.
*****
oh, i didn't know you knew him. Adams and Tom Paine were the only founding fathers that refused to own slaves...troll .
*****
the word taigs means Catholics. many aristocrats is not Adams.you have to remember this is the 1700's and the English had many conflicts with the Irish and most colonist were from England.. the word racist is becoming a foolish buzz word for people that simply don't understand much imo.... it's really becoming quite tiresome as well as meaningless to thinking people the whole world over
***** I just want to point out that without the use of punctuation you ended up saying that John Adams was Irish... and said America wouldn't be were it was today without him... Grats!
***** your Wong and and an idiot
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you are a moron and a fool, you also end your statement with the passive aggressive ( lol ) how common and tiresome you truly are.
John Adams and the original "Facts do not care about your feelings"
John Adams was a true American
This is so relevant for today
The USA needs this voice now.
Not enough people would listen, unfortunately.
@Just Jeff You heard about that too, huh? I tried to find information about his criminal record, but not many people were sharing it.
I finally found it through this video: th-cam.com/video/V5WD9mX5dOg/w-d-xo.html
Here's the article: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8366533/George-Floyd-moved-Minneapolis-start-new-life-released-prison-Texas.html The Daily Mail tries to keep people from using ad blockers, but you could probably get around it somehow. In Safari, you can open Reader View and see the whole article just fine.
Apparently,
•in 2007, he and five other men robbed a woman's home with a gun, while she was home, for money and drugs;
•in the early 2000s, he had a bunch of cocaine possession convictions;
•in 2002, he spent a month in jail for a month for criminal trespassing;
•in 1998, he committed some kind of armed theft;
•and a little before that, he had some other theft and drug charges.
But he was apparently reformed by 2014 and turned into a generally respectable person.
If you haven't already, you should read that article. It's pretty interesting.
The police are not meant to be the judge, jury and executioner. He did not deserved to be killed in the street like an animal, no matter what he had done in the past.
Just Jeff I guess no sympathy for Crispus Attucks from you Tory. Lol
Indeed
"On the one hand it is inexorable to the cries and lamentations of the prisoners; on the other it is deaf, deaf as an adder to the clamors of the populace." Rule of law is the one of the best creations of mankind.
+Scott Germanicus No.
+Scott Germanicus Then give credit to the individuals who created the system, not the entire race. You racist fuck. Adams himself was antislavery. End of discussion.
It is God's creation. Not man's. Lex Rex.
@@dnzswithwombats [citation needed]
@@flowerlandfilms Man did not create himself. Self-evident truths found acknowledged in this county's founding documents and serving still as the basis of human rights is a citation for you on that. You're welcome.
I'm reminded of Atticus Finch in "To Kill A Mockingbird".
Except justice was served in this case
I must commend John Adams for being as fair as he was in situations like this.
So long closing argument short: Don't throw rocks at a soldier with a loaded gun.
No. it's don't automatically kill the one who shoots in response to those because you don't like their employer.
@@existenceisrelative Huh? (phrasing was too awkward to understand your point)
See _Boston Massacre_, by Hiller Zobell. As a lawyer he researched the case in both Boston and London. The book, published in 1976,was an immediate classic.
Thank you for posting this. His passion for the law was palpable.
“We must take care lest born away by a torrent of passion, we make shipwreck of conscience.” My GOD, what a line.
Wouldn't have the same effect today, unfortunately. Most politicians and lawyers don't know what a conscience is.
This should be mandatory viewing in 2020 when people ignore facts and adopt emotion instead.
But what are the real facts? We have no way of knowing as ALL forms of media distort the truth and some flat out lie!
Thank you for posting this video. We will never forget John Adams as long as men and Women dream of freedom.
This series was spectacular! No need to go on. What a masterpiece
Great respect for taking and producing such a brilliant defense of those Soldiers. He's right about popular opinion and an excess of passion being dangerous to lives of both sides let alone the credibility of the grievences.
And yet, every 2, 4, and 6 years we in the US are swayed to vote by people pulling on those very heartstrings.
With politics today and the heated discussion over police brutality, this really hits home.
Where have the politicians like this have gone? Look at the corrupted leaders we have today
He was merely a young Boston lawyer and graduate of Harvard
The sad truth is, this is fictional. Politics have always been mudslinging and attacking.
The actual defense by John Adams was to claim the attackers were all horrible people:
- "a motley rabble of saucy boys, negroes, and molattoes, Irish teagues and outlandish Jack Tarrs" (sailors)
- "And why we should scruple to call such a set of people a mob, I can't conceive, unless the name is too respectable for them. The sun is not about to stand still or go out, nor the rivers to dry up because there was a mob in Boston on the 5th of March that attacked a party of soldiers."
- "his very look was enough to terrify any person" + "with one hand [he] took hold of a bayonet, and with the other knocked the man down." + "in all probability, the dreadful carnage of that night is chiefly to be ascribed." (of a black man, Crispus Attucks, who two witnesses stated was 12+ feet away from everything)
I love this series. They did such a great job of distilling the personalities, words, and philosophies of the men & women it depicts without bogging the medium down by too long or overburdened dialog. THIS is how you write and act a solid historical drama.
Thank god for British Law.
Awkwardly enough, it was the REMOVAL of these very same rights the soldiers relied on here from the colonists that started the chain of events that led to the Revolution.
@@danlorett2184 Yeah, very poor decision by our Parliament to alienate the colonies. I would revolt, too.
British Pride, the country who spat against God.
Britain could use some, right about now. Not this two-tier nonsense!
‘A sentry’s post is his castle, and to attack it by English law is an illegal act. Soldiers so assaulted may defend themselves to the death.’ I wish ignorant tourists remember that when mocking the Queens Guard.
Agreed. I hate the monarchy...but anyone who is paid to stand still as a statue outside the Queen's door in that fool uniform deserves respect.
100% An important lesson for everyone.
John Adams was a smart obnoxious loud dude, he was really hated by a lot of his colleagues. The people of Boston especially. Growing up, he was a farmer, and he was told repeatedly that he didn't have a future. He grew up, became a lawyer, was elected as a colonial representative, became Vice President of the U.S, and then became president. I know I most likely will never have a future like his, but what I do know is that just because people now think my beliefs are stupid, I will have the respect of people in the future.
Well said.
No you won't.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to stand back and reflect."
-Mark Twain
People think flat earthers are stupid now...I doubt they'll be vindicated any time soon.
Ridicule now doesn't necessarily lead to accolades in the future.
Being thought stupid by the masses is necessary, but not sufficient.
If they think you are stupid that does not necessarily make you smart. But if they think you are smart that DOES make you stupid...
I agree,John Adams was one of the best lawyers this country has ever had. Fast forward to the 1800's,and Francis Scott Key was as well. But there are probably other good ones that I may not know about yet. Will have to look into this to learn more. But we definitely need more John Adams type of lawyers today.
As of writing, we’re nearing the end of the Rittenhouse trial. I had to return to this court masterpiece.
The accused should be judged solely on the evidence produced at court, and the jury put themselves in his shoes.
The mainstream media will have you believe it’s a Vs match between the political ideology of Rittenhouse and the rioters, with the media outlets using them as their political toy soldiers.
This seems so civilised, and a complete world away.
May the United States not forget, and continue to be a bastion of freedom, and envy of the world.
The founding fathers were the most fallible whilst simultaneously being the most wise and self awared of man.
In some of my erstwhile circles, a disconcerting number of people expressed such high-minded sentiments about the conduct of the Rittenhouse trial, and then went back to speaking of the need for Balkanization and tearing down the system after seeing the results of the Chauvin trial.
If only this integrity was more often appealed to with something like consistency.
@@olivesamaThe Chauvin trial was bullshit and you know that
I'm so thankful for the inheritance of British law...
I wish Adams could represent me. I got lots of speeding tickets
Guilty.
Guilty!
Stop speeding
I dont think that would work out how you hope lol ;0)
Hmmm..."a man's vehicle is his freedom, and to not have it where it needs to be on time is a punishable act. Drivers so late may resort to moving their vehicle at a higher speed...to anyone else's death, if necessary!"
Doesn't quite have the same ring to it. Maybe if I said it with Paul's voice...
Paul Giamminti killed it in this mini series. The part that I really liked, was his and Jefferson’s relationship. Probably the most important for the founding of the country, along with Franklin.
the second POTUS' sentence will and has been forever timeless....."facts are stubborn things................"
Don't ever trash Defense Attorneys .. because one day you may need them ... innocent until proven guilty baby ;)
Unless the person is clearly guilty. And they have the audacity to act smug.
I agree with John Adams
One of Adam’s finest moments. He risked it all standing on principles and the rule of law despite the anti-British fervor in Boston at the time. Thank goodness he sided with America in the end.
On English rule of law
I love to watch Giamatti at work, can't help feeling someone needs to write a duologue for him and Stanley Tucci.
Paul Giamatti is a rarity in that he is a soft-featured leading man.
Most leads have "chiseled" features.
The real John Adams wasn't exactly a chiseled man.
all praises to His Rotundity, John Adams
the British did not deserve to be hanged for defending themselves
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They weren't.
The HBO movie is not accurate. 2 of the men who did fire got manslaughter 2nd degree instead of murder. Because they were respected soldiers (like we respect ours today) they got their thumbs flattened by a hammer for reacting too quickly. The rest were found innocent
@Timothy Gibney They had their thumbs branded, not flattened. They escaped death by pleading benefit of clergy, which meant that they could read and write. Flattening their thumbs would have made it difficult for them to write.
said by a true german lol
This scene should be played in the White House, in Congress, in every State Legislature, and on every news program, and it should be repeated as often as necessary until everyone understands, believes, and acts on its truth. Facts ARE stubborn things.
He's such an underrated actor.
2:10 Facts don’t care about your feelings- John Adams
This is the best goddamned show HBO made.
Paul Giamatti was the absolute best choice for Adams.
Excellent miniseries! I've often wondered if the courtroom dialogue in scenes like this, is actually what was said. Was there a form of court reporter at the time, maybe usung a form of shorthand to record all that wa said?
He said feelings can't alter facts.
Facts are indeed stubborn things. Let us be governed by facts and conscience and not the corrupt mind and soul of the entitled.
It would have been amazing if we’d had modern stenographers back then. That way, will be able to read for ourselves the argument that won an acquittal for Adams’s clients, from what must have been a hostile jury.
Insanely brilliant writing and acting
"The law... is deaf, deaf as an adder to the clamor of the populous." 2:32
I am reminded of this event on this day, I wonder why.
Kyle Rittenhouse
John Adams reminds us that, contrary to popular belief, America is not a democracy, it is a republic ruled by laws, hence the phrase in the pledge allegiance "and to the Republic for which it stands". Nowhere in the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution, nor the constitutions of all 50 states does the word "democracy" even appear. Granted, there's a democratic aspect to it, but at its core, America is a republic. What's the difference, you ask? In a democracy it's majority rules; in a republic the law protects the individual from the majority. Ever wonder why a Jury's decision has to be unanimous or else the defendant goes free? Because of the law. This is also why all suspects are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
Yes thanks. "Of laws not of men" so to speak. That's the trouble with "the people", remove basic civil reasoning such as "innocent until proven guilty" or "my enemy isn't a nation it's a notion" (by which I mean anti-xenophobic/nationalistic bigotry), and "turn the other cheek" and "money won't make the world a better place the freedom to make money will" (by which I mean repealing plutocratic notions of trade choking others into effective slavery), well then inevitably you are going to have a system that is run by monsters be it democratically or otherwise. If ethics and liberties aren't joined in the hearts of those with authority under law then whilst on paper a nation may be "a free country", in reality it's a dictatorship, closet or otherwise. Any nation that is ruled by people who can't trust, or be trusted by, those they rule, is one of fear, not freedom.
By your definition there would be very few democracies, it would even exlude the original one, the athenian democracy. A republic is a form of democracy, whether you like it or not, it's only in the last decades that people got confused about that. Any form of goverment where a population get to vote on it's leaders and lawmakers is a democracy.
The US republic is more democratic then most historical democracies ever were.
The very fact that Adams defended men who, otherwise, he would abhor as representative enemies of an ideological foe, and even successfully acquitted them of the charges of murder in that they acted precisely as they were supposed to, and in self defense knowing that the rioters present were throwing objects with intent to cause harm.
Is a testament to Adams' character. The ability to represent the people, who represent the very thing that is causing hardship for all, and enforcing the very things that you do not agree with and even outspokenly dissent against, and successfully prove their innocence?
It takes a special kind of moral character to put aside such differences and see to the end, TRUE justice served. Not political, emotional, or wrongful justice to appease angry masses.
I remember Adams's defense of the Boston soldiers being featured on the "Profiles in Courage" TV series back in the 1960's.
Hiller Zobel wrote the history of the court case called The Boston Masscre a great book
Back when justice was blind men had honor and the courage of their convictions. John Adam’s was a rare individual and amazing human being.
2:20 "Facts don't care about your feelings." -John Shapiro
Paul Giamatti is an underrated actor. His performance of Adams was sublime.
Mad respect for Adams to represent those redcoats
Adams believed strongly in the rule of law, not passion or tyranny. One of the most distinctive things about the American Revolution was the fact that it was not merely the American colonists rising up against the Crown. It was the American GOVERNMENT rising up against the Crown. Most rebellions have had leaders in history, but leaders only, not an actual, formal, functioning government. The American colonists were not rebelling against the rule of law, but the rule of BRITISH law. And unlike some rebellions, they did not wait to see if they won the war before founding a new government, they founded one and THEN went to war to defend it. Despite being rebels, there were laws and rules of conduct enforced upon the American citizenry, militia and Continental forces by their own government. And that, in large part, contributed to the success of the Revolution.
An actual interesting fact you mention. The fact that we had something to defend separated us from just unrepresented rouges. I like your way of pointing this out.
Standing up for what you believe in God Save the King
Loved the actor who played John Adams. A very shameful act on our part when British soldiers opened fire on civilians, but he actually did achieve a good verdict at the end of the trial.Sadly,the acquittal didn't make him popular, but he still emerged as an American hero of the Revolution. Even with me being English, I would have loved to have met John Adams.
Adams did have a point though. The sentries were guarding their post's. The crowd became hostile, then violent. Throwing things at the soldiers, threatening to knock them down. There was not a man among them that did not come away with some scrape, cut or bruise. In those circumstances, any man would fear for their life. Soldiers are trained to all force necessary to defend themselves. The only shameful thing was the events that lead to British soldiers being placed in Boston. And to that, there were many mistakes made on both sides of the pond.
Agreed.
So impressive a man, we have had so few. Worst of all l fear we may have no more.
An eternally relevant speech.
Adams is underrated.
Over 50% of current lawyers decided to be lawyers after they saw this scene and the legally blonde scene
...and they were aquitted. He was brilliant. Proud to be an American. We're in big trouble with the curbing of voting rights. God help our young republic.
John Adams the epitome of what a lawyer should and ought to be
It was about English law lol
2:10 the truest words ever spoken. My God how we have fallen.
Notice how Sam Adams and his "Liberty Boys" try to intimidate the witnesses.
How in the hell could anyone think being able to have them right up on the witness in court would be a good idea.
Is Sam Adams the one who is given several close-ups while John Adams is speaking and who is scowling in several of those shots?
@@57highland He's the one who asks John Adams which side he's on, to which John responds, "I'm on the side of the law -- is there another?"
"Justice and the Rule of Law are to be ABOVE politics." -- John Adams.
John also hated the British, but no one else would take the case defending the British troops, to which they had a fundamental right. John lost business doing that, but he was defending due process and the rule of law -- "No one charged with a crime should lack for a competent defense."
@@57highland Yes. He was propagandizing that the British troops were "murderers" while John Adams was defending them in court. The order to the British troops to "FIRE!" came from the MOB, NOT from the Captain.
@@jnagarya519 Also, except for Captain Preston, the British soldiers (defendants) all look very young. Do you think that is historically accurate? I'm not saying that it isn't or wouldn't be accurate; it just hadn't occurred to me that the British soldiers (conscripts?) would be so youthful.
I love Paul. My all time favorite actor. His speeches whoever his character is SUPERB
I will say this.. I have seen a lot of comments on John Adams BEING a history buff~.. but besides.. GW, LINCOLN, ROOSEVELT , JFK.. AND MY FAVORITE REAGAN... John Adams DOES NOT GET enough credit in history book or what have you on making this independence happen~.. he might of been stubborn , arrogant, hard-headed, etc... but.. it takes a man like that to get a point a across and still love this country without a agenda.. bk then they were trying to make a better life for themselves.. without a agenda~... we all need to get bk to that... and with the presence of GOD in our lives... * MY OPINION*
definitely I read the same book, got it~
Are there similar series about the other Founding Fathers?
My teacher showed us this vid and I remembered the channel name
Adams' impartiality --- in our time of conflict --- is something we must heed.
Before taking any public office all citizens should be required to view this passage and then be tested upon same. Anyone not scoring 100% is disqualified from holding public office. FACTS ARE STUBBORN THINGS...
Looking at the current state and direction of this country as the saying goes the founding fathers must be turning in their graves.
An absolute deviation from the vision they had.
They gave Giammati a quasi English Boston accent....well done.
Boston Boy heah.
God bless John Adams!
A man who understood 250 years ago the importance of due process
Respect from this Briton!
Adams' British contemporary William Garrow coined the concept of 'Innocent until proven guilty' - there was a series on him too - 'Garrows Law'
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Outstanding. Words and acting
The kind of politician we need today.
If you haven't seen this mini series stop right now and watch it. Paul kills this role.
@Mello Grdd HBO
@Mello Grdd if you learn how to piratebay it is, thats how i got it
Emphasized in the miniseries more than by McCullogh's book, as was the indignity of the kings Intolerable Act to call accused to England for trial, since none can be obtained in the Colonies, supposedly.
Adams was the voice of the revolution and This is Giamatti’s magnum opus.
Can anyone please tell me the name of this movie?
Its crazy that English crown courts still look like this wigs and everything.
Off subject but why did they wear wigs? Status symbol?
one of the best men ever
It cannot be overstated the positive influence John Adams had on the revolution. The Sons of Liberty and many other likeminded people had all the worst inclinations of the French revolutionaries that bathed Paris in blood. It took a man like Adams who saw the mob as no more inherently virtuous than a king to fight tirelessly to ensure we'd be "a nation of laws and not of men."
I wonder if the time he has spent watching proceedings at the Old Bailey helped him in this role.
I wish we had leaders like this. True, unwavering love of country and of people
It's a story as old as time: when people are under attack, they will defend themselves with whatever they have at hand.
The "victims" of such a defense started it, and as such being "unarmed" doesn't make the men defending themselves in the wrong.