Flopped quads and raises right away . Amazing play by the villian. 99% of the players will just call. Raising in that spot actually hides the strength of his hand . From villians perspective hero has a quite a lot of over pairs in his range so get value from it right away. I like the way villian played that hand
was about to post a props to villain and you couldn’t have said it better. he would have induced a shove for my remainder. bart too, and prolly most of the players watching
I call this the "ego lead or ego raise." You need to keep it small enough for the opponent to think there is a window to counter strike, if they just call the pot is now big enough to value every street.
I like the play as well. Being OOP with the absolute nuts can be tricky to get max value so the small raise helps build the pot while taking the betting lead.
Every time I apply Bart's reverse pot odds strategy I end up raising into the nuts. In this spot I probably jam the river and lose to pocket 10's. Hero is even more unlucky to be up against quads instead of just the full house.
Yea the problem with it is for you to be able to shove on the river and it not be that much more for V to call, the V would have been betting very large on river. A lot of live players underbluff large bet sizes on river and just play, big hand, big bet. This play will work better against very strong players, GTO players, thin value shoving exploitative players, and will work better in 100bb effective hands. Good luck!
A rare technical oversight by Bart, I think. Bart took away half the flopped boat/quad combos due to flop betting size/pattern plus previous action, but didn't take away 95% of the underflushes due to river bet size/pattern and previous action. Leading out pot on that river would be suicide with an underflush, or with a bluff out of the blue. You get called by better SO MUCH more often than you get called by worse. So if you give villain credit for any brains at all, it's a fold, unless you have reason to believe the villain thinks he can get you to fold hands like the flopped top boat or turned big flush. Those are the only hands you can get there with, as viewed by someone with a small or medium flush, or trips. Or by someone with quads looking to get paid off. A non-nut flush thinking they're getting called down by better, is ready to puke by the river, not bet pot and maybe have to puke again deciding whether to fold to a shove despite getting 7:1. Villain did a great job of fast playing a monster, while at the same time not scaring hero out. When someone shows aggression but keeps things somewhat affordable on flop and turn, they're often probing you for how much you're willing to pay them off after they outflopped you worse than you can imagine. He had to restrain himself a bit to keep hands like QQ/JJ hopeful. But he proved one of the main points that authors like Sklansky drilled into my head 20 years ago. When you're ahead, don't be shy about doing whatever you can do to get money going into the pot at every opportunity.
Very insightful post by you. I wanted to ask about a particular passage: "A non-nut flush thinking they're getting called down by better, is ready to puke by the river, not bet pot and maybe have to puke again deciding whether to fold to a shove despite getting 7:1." My question is that Bart seems to suggest it's impossible to fold because of 7 to 1 pot odds. My thinking is, what could we ever beat getting that price with this action? I personally would never play the king high flush this way, but if I did I'd be thinking what can I ever beat? Meaning that I think a jam here is never a bluff. I think it's only the nut flush or better. Maybe someone could try a bluff with AA with a diamond here or?? Point being that 7 to 1 does not sound great to me if I'm only good 1% of the time.
The villiain played this beautifully. Didn’t sandbag and made his raises feel weak while he made it look like he was trying to steal the river. Take note of this guy. Hes dangerous
yeah solver will always raise low quads in this config, so many overpairs in hero's range, 33 on T33 in this config just unblocks basically everything. Bart nailed it with the flop sizing too, 200 STR (400bb) solver range bets 2/3 on this flop, wouldn't have guessed 2/3 range bet in a 3b pot but makes plenty of sense with the huge overpair advantage and how deep we are
V is described as a tight player. Doesn't sound like the kind of player to bet that big with a non-nut flush on a paired board. Looked a lot like TT, though 33 makes a lot of sense in hindsight. Great play raising the flop and just bombing it.
Does Bart have a young child keeping him up at night? I notice hes having a slight amount of trouble with his words lately. Hopefully its not a neurodegenerative disorder. or anything generally encephalopathic and serious.
@@pot_kivach160of course hero is either ahead or behind. You can’t be chopping with a flush unless you’re playing the board. That doesn’t mean it’s a raise or fold though, unless I’m missing something? If V has smaller flushes in his range that would fold to a raise, calling is clearly the best play.
@@pot_kivach160i can get on board with a raise though, since I don’t think smaller flushes will fold. Folding turn seems insanely nitty. If you’re folding turn it’s because V only has TT/33. Which might be the case vs an OMC but then just fold flop surely?
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj yes, you're missing something. When said: _H is either ahead or behind_ , I meant: His chance to improve are next to none (1 out). While V has numerous ways to improve and beat H on river. So, if you believe that you're ahead, then raising is the only correct play. . However, If you are not sure you're ahead, then why calling?? With that 1 out, your stack is pretty much fried. You're drawing dead right away. . To conclude: calling this turn is fishy play. This is something they didn't teach you at poker school, do they. To add: you did not seem experienced losing with a Nut flush on a paired board. Nor you ever folded a monster hand.
I'm only on the flop, but why would it be surprising to x/r TT? Hero has all of the overpairs that will pay him off. Why would villian not try to build a pot when he's nutted and the hero has the kind of range that could get him stacked? Edit: yeah 33 is the same logic. Pile in money when you are nutted and there is a good chance your opponent is strong enough to call.
If it were a Rainbow ( lowcards, paired ) board on the flop, the difficulty would be to find the appropriate amount of bluffs; - one either tends to over- or under- bluff, mostly the former, while representing only small value range. And, of course, a not insignificant portion of said value range would probably consist of Tx; raising mostly for protection against overcards. - Here, however, we have somewhat more of an incentive to check-raise, as our bluffs are more clearly defined; mostly as Flush draws. Still, I assume one wants mostly to run a mixed strategy with Range; calling with TT, e.g. , helps to protect the weaker hands, and bluffing too much with ( especially: weaker) draws opens its own can of worms. Anyways, 33 is indeed quite ideal for a Raise; - it should not block too much of Hero's Continue range, and by raising he mostly "loses" weak Overcard draws from Hero; - maybe at most sth. like J9cc ( likely not QJcc, however) which often would have continued to barrel on the Turn.
@@Badbentham I agree with your general analysis here, but I'm not sure that a mixed strategy, e.g. failing to grow the pot as much as you can with TT or 33 isn't burning money at the altar of balance. I can't see how it's ever bad to fastplay extremely strong holdings when so much of the opponent's range will continue, potentially for stacks. If your opponent is a very good player that you play with frequently then I can see calling sometimes for balance, but in the large majority of real-world cases this is just too juicy of an opportunity to pass up. Hands like this make up a big chunk of your winrate, and it would be a shame not to maximize them.
Callers logic makes no sense. He says villain has zero bluffs and his river bet is too polar to be K high flush, so he is stronger than that. So just fold?
@@stephenmetzler729 he’s getting 2:1 but that doesn’t matter. If he thinks V has 0 bluffs and 0 worse value then he loses 100% of the time he calls, so why call?
I think the problem w/ reverse pot odds is that if a player bets an amount that gives you just a small percentage of the pot left in your stack if you call they typically have a MONSTER
I'm lost as to why Bart is eliminating combos of 10's? Can someone explain that concept to me? I always thought you eliminated combos based on likelihood they wouldn't be played, like unsuited KQ vs suited KQ?
It is more that the population doesn't usually play TT like that (but importantly does play broadway flush draws that way the vast majority of the time). So you can discount TT compare to other hands they would raise flop bet turn bet river with even though you expect to see TT some portion of the time. That said I personally think Bart over discounted TT given that particular board (I'd still jam river though because I'd give villain 3-4 value combos we lose to and at least that many k high and q high flushes which call though it is pretty close), but I don't have nearly the experience about how often people actually raise there.
Why would you ever 3 bet the flop here? What worse hand will call you? Maybe diamonds but you block diamonds. 3 combos of tt btw, 1 combo of 33. I might fold river honestly vs most villains since people don't pot typically on a paired board w a small flush.
I wanted to thank you Bart, you contributed in me coming back to my best poker mindset, i played live yesterday in 2/4, lost the first 450€ buy in, mostly with a 2 card lower straight against the nut straight who overbet river, then with a big preflop raise with DD against Ax i had folded with an A on the flop. Anyway came back with 400, down to less than 200, went all in Cbet with a made hand against a combo draw who paid. Then i started 'breathing' and feeling it like in my best days, completely detached from the outcome, focus and non emotional, self aware, regretless, adjusting. Got a small rush, left with 1170€ and more than that, the confidence that i came back with a much better level ready to fold anything, i almost folded a K high flush versus the A high flush 2 cards, just called he had it. Folded top pairs on the flop, heard the famous frustrated "you fold with THAT?" In one word i played Poker ! Thanks a lot
This is why I don't chase flushes once the board has paired. And if I do, I have no problem folding to large bets. I figured the Guy had 10's. But 33 is pretty much the same to a flush.
Caller is “Captain Douche”. People always know better than Bart. Yet, they call him and he just about hits the hand on the head. You got “coolered” bro. Trying to figure out coolers is totally ridiculous.
If this caller thinks there are no Bluffs, which is fair, but also wouldn't do this with King hi flush, then shouldn't the play be to fold? I agree with the all-in
I hope someone reads and responds to my question. First the stakes I play are usually 1-2(400), 1-3(500), and 2-5(1000). I've been in hundreds of situations like this caller where I put out the 1/4 to 1/3 post flop cbet in position only to be check raised. Offen I will evaluate what sizes the out of position will lead out the turn with ans 3 bet an amount slightly less. So in this video when he was check raised to 300 I would have likely taken it to 750 and reevaluate his response of how hard is this guy trying to get it all in. Am I completely wrong playing a strategy like this?
Adding if he 5 bet flop let him have it, if he leads yet again turn let him have it and mix checks and bets if he checks Turn and definitely give up on a second check raise turn?
I can say with most certainty I would of folded flop to the check raise, in these spots it’s rarely a bluff and worse you are usually drawing dead. I would muck and on the next one and feel great for avoiding this cooler
at these stakes you're facing x-raises more frequently - BB for instance is supposed to x-raise like 25% of their hands IIRC. You'd want to look and confirm but you can't afford to muck just because you got x-raised. At 1-2 you might profitably fold against the x-raise but not at these stakes.
3! the flop seems like a pretty grievous error to me. I don't see much we're getting value from and I don't see much we're getting fold equity from. What's he folding that we're behind? JJ, 99, and maybe AT? I don't even think those hands are likely to be x/r. I would expect a decent amount of his x/r to be flush draws, they're hands we get a ton of value from if a diamond hits, and practically all of them will fold. Edit: I think it's a slam dunk shove on the river. V only really has T's or 3's. Maybe he has 4's or 7's if he's an absolute weirdo, but they seem as likely as spazz bluffs. V has a bunch of flushes he thinks he's taking an overpair to value town with that he'll call because of the price.
Sometimes it is not necessarily getting better to fold. While getting better to fold is nice, with the nut draw you sometimes want to grow the pot, so when you hit you can win a bigger pot from a hand that might not fold. In this specific case, it didn't work out but there are a lot of value hands where Hero would have won a big pot.
@@fedea82 Maybe a pro like Addamo is incorporating a balanced strategy with KcQc or OcJc, but for damn near 99% of players x/r broadways is indistinguishable from a spazz bluff. As for worse flushes, even if you 3! small to 900 they're getting decent odds right now. They're paying 600 for 1700 with like 18% equity for the turn against an overpair or trips, they're damn near dead against a higher flush, and the pot's going to be 2300 so they're going to expect a big turn bet (1200 to a shove). Hero has bet and raised literally every opportunity, even against a x/r. They might call with a K high fd, but I'd expect every other flush to fold. I'd probably not even expect many K fds to call.
@@danielwilliams9753 i get that, I just think the only hands you're "winning a big pot against" are a 3 (which your behind) and a flush (which practically all fold to a 3! OTF). The caller didn't even think villain was value betting a Khfd without the 3! OTF.
The small raise told me this guy was nutted off the rip. I always proceed with caution live when villains min/small raise. Begging to grow the pot IMO. I would have also played this as just a call. I agree with caller's take on absolute pot size and opponents often just having it.
I’m probably exploitable because of this but I might just fold to this river bet. Especially with the callers explanation that villian isn’t taking this line with worse flushes
All the smart math and theoretical hand analysis in the world….. will not beat flopped quads! When you are running bad…. You are running bad. The story of my last 18 mo. of poker. Nevertheless….. good advice Bart!
This hand screams building the pot on every street bc they have a monster. They either think the hero has an over pair, will float, with some kind of diamond to chase on the river. When they make that last river bet, they are hoping that you have a flush or an over-pair with a diamond blocker or shit, 1010. Screams monster to me on the river. I 100% fold on that river bet to a random, unless I have history with them and know their play style.
A river jam is best because villain can have virtually all flushes (because against PSB on riv, hero has to call with hands ask weak as OP+ diamond blocker).
From villain perspective if he realizes that big pairs or flushes are out there I can definitely see why he went to big on the river. I think I fold here just because like what are this guys bluffs? And highly doubtful he is over valuing his hand.
Preflop 3bet too loose, even as a mix. Blows my mind how wide some higher stakes live guys are. I don’t hate the 1/4 flop bet, but this deep we should be going bigger and more polar
I agree with everything you have to say… but I dont think its all that bad playing deep… I mean the opens in the higher stakes games are very very wide, and squeezing out the blinds if you are going to play they hand at all seems like a decent idea. 🤷♂️ Personally when I watch high stakes live streams it seems like the 3 bets are just the standard opening range that most of us would have in a $2/5 game… If the flop was 10/3/2 turn 5, river 7, his 3 bet pre would look genius.
@@MrTjthorso I was very shocked that the absolute nuts would do that? Who do you know that would do that on the flop? I can see the turn or the river but the flop
You bet, but keep a small amount of money behind, that you have to pay as Reverse Pot Odds, losing you $$, everytime when raised. - As you are already pot committed. It comes, as Poker basics, down to: When in actual doubt, without having the Nuts or running a bluff, between All-In and an only somewhat smaller half-measure sizing: Shove! 😉
@@cial67hero has all combos of AA-TT. Do you think those are folding to a small check raise? And obviously flush draws aren’t. Even AK might peel one off hoping you’re semi-bluffing and will slow down on a brick turn.
Bart, you’re going against your own logic at the end. It’s not just two combos of flushes, he would have to play those two combos 100% that way to make sense if you’re not going to count all combos of TT or 33.
By saying that he's only giving him 2 combos he's saying that he isn't playing all his flush combos that way 100 percent of the time basically. Same logic he applied to TT and 33
Doesn't matter whether you call or raise. Only way to make money is for your opponent to hit something. Last time I flopped quads everyone checked and then folded to a small bet but that's just the way it goes.
Or think you’re full of it or just be a maniac I guess. Last time I made quads, I was the in position player and V check-raised and just kept barrelling into me. I snapped his river all in and he had complete air 😂
i think based on pot size river bet and no bluff logically it’s better to consider between calling and folding never raising calling most of the time but if you think opponent will not bet lower flush with this sizing then folding is also a option here 😅
Well no because you’re getting 2:1 on the call, whereas to raise you have to beat >50% of the hands he’ll call with. So if hero thinks V has all 4 combos of TT/33, plus KQ, KJ, QJ of diamonds then calling is correct.
Flopped quads and raises right away . Amazing play by the villian. 99% of the players will just call. Raising in that spot actually hides the strength of his hand . From villians perspective hero has a quite a lot of over pairs in his range so get value from it right away. I like the way villian played that hand
was about to post a props to villain and you couldn’t have said it better. he would have induced a shove for my remainder. bart too, and prolly most of the players watching
Played it beautifully to the point where u have to call 😅🥹
I call this the "ego lead or ego raise." You need to keep it small enough for the opponent to think there is a window to counter strike, if they just call the pot is now big enough to value every street.
I like the play as well. Being OOP with the absolute nuts can be tricky to get max value so the small raise helps build the pot while taking the betting lead.
Biggest pot I ever won was a donk lead with flopped quads. Got in 400bbs on a J44 board against AJ. No one will believe you have 44 there
imagine the 5♦️ on the river
It would be a sick cooler, but the hand would be less interesting.
Bad beat jackpot
That flop check raise with the nuts was perfect. The flush coming in screwed that guy
4’s without a diamond are preferred XR on paired boards. You want villain to hit a flush when you hit your boat
I think anyone would have lost a lot with the hand, how can you not play A2 dd on the button.
Every time I apply Bart's reverse pot odds strategy I end up raising into the nuts. In this spot I probably jam the river and lose to pocket 10's. Hero is even more unlucky to be up against quads instead of just the full house.
Yea the problem with it is for you to be able to shove on the river and it not be that much more for V to call, the V would have been betting very large on river. A lot of live players underbluff large bet sizes on river and just play, big hand, big bet. This play will work better against very strong players, GTO players, thin value shoving exploitative players, and will work better in 100bb effective hands. Good luck!
agreed. sounds like an incredibly spewy way to hope for thin value.
A rare technical oversight by Bart, I think. Bart took away half the flopped boat/quad combos due to flop betting size/pattern plus previous action, but didn't take away 95% of the underflushes due to river bet size/pattern and previous action.
Leading out pot on that river would be suicide with an underflush, or with a bluff out of the blue. You get called by better SO MUCH more often than you get called by worse. So if you give villain credit for any brains at all, it's a fold, unless you have reason to believe the villain thinks he can get you to fold hands like the flopped top boat or turned big flush. Those are the only hands you can get there with, as viewed by someone with a small or medium flush, or trips. Or by someone with quads looking to get paid off.
A non-nut flush thinking they're getting called down by better, is ready to puke by the river, not bet pot and maybe have to puke again deciding whether to fold to a shove despite getting 7:1.
Villain did a great job of fast playing a monster, while at the same time not scaring hero out. When someone shows aggression but keeps things somewhat affordable on flop and turn, they're often probing you for how much you're willing to pay them off after they outflopped you worse than you can imagine. He had to restrain himself a bit to keep hands like QQ/JJ hopeful. But he proved one of the main points that authors like Sklansky drilled into my head 20 years ago. When you're ahead, don't be shy about doing whatever you can do to get money going into the pot at every opportunity.
Very insightful post by you. I wanted to ask about a particular passage: "A non-nut flush thinking they're getting called down by better, is ready to puke by the river, not bet pot and maybe have to puke again deciding whether to fold to a shove despite getting 7:1." My question is that Bart seems to suggest it's impossible to fold because of 7 to 1 pot odds. My thinking is, what could we ever beat getting that price with this action? I personally would never play the king high flush this way, but if I did I'd be thinking what can I ever beat? Meaning that I think a jam here is never a bluff. I think it's only the nut flush or better. Maybe someone could try a bluff with AA with a diamond here or?? Point being that 7 to 1 does not sound great to me if I'm only good 1% of the time.
The villiain played this beautifully. Didn’t sandbag and made his raises feel weak while he made it look like he was trying to steal the river. Take note of this guy. Hes dangerous
You can only do this at higher levels though. Lower levels you're just going to be getting too many folds from your opponent
@@cial67 agreed
Kypros=said villain?
@@cial67 exactly, at lower levels people are just playing everything straight up
yeah solver will always raise low quads in this config, so many overpairs in hero's range, 33 on T33 in this config just unblocks basically everything. Bart nailed it with the flop sizing too, 200 STR (400bb) solver range bets 2/3 on this flop, wouldn't have guessed 2/3 range bet in a 3b pot but makes plenty of sense with the huge overpair advantage and how deep we are
V is described as a tight player. Doesn't sound like the kind of player to bet that big with a non-nut flush on a paired board. Looked a lot like TT, though 33 makes a lot of sense in hindsight. Great play raising the flop and just bombing it.
Does Bart have a young child keeping him up at night? I notice hes having a slight amount of trouble with his words lately. Hopefully its not a neurodegenerative disorder. or anything generally encephalopathic and serious.
You just know if this happened on Pokerstars that 5 of diamonds was coming on the river.
That hand sounded like both players nailed it! Both got max value opportunities while minimizing losses. Very nice!
Turn was either raise or fold. No point calling if you're either ahead or behind at this point.
@@pot_kivach160of course hero is either ahead or behind. You can’t be chopping with a flush unless you’re playing the board.
That doesn’t mean it’s a raise or fold though, unless I’m missing something?
If V has smaller flushes in his range that would fold to a raise, calling is clearly the best play.
@@pot_kivach160i can get on board with a raise though, since I don’t think smaller flushes will fold.
Folding turn seems insanely nitty. If you’re folding turn it’s because V only has TT/33. Which might be the case vs an OMC but then just fold flop surely?
@@pot_kivach160 in what world is the turn ever a fold? because you know the result of the hand? lol
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj yes, you're missing something. When said: _H is either ahead or behind_ , I meant: His chance to improve are next to none (1 out). While V has numerous ways to improve and beat H on river. So, if you believe that you're ahead, then raising is the only correct play.
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However, If you are not sure you're ahead, then why calling?? With that 1 out, your stack is pretty much fried. You're drawing dead right away.
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To conclude: calling this turn is fishy play. This is something they didn't teach you at poker school, do they.
To add: you did not seem experienced losing with a Nut flush on a paired board. Nor you ever folded a monster hand.
I'm only on the flop, but why would it be surprising to x/r TT? Hero has all of the overpairs that will pay him off. Why would villian not try to build a pot when he's nutted and the hero has the kind of range that could get him stacked? Edit: yeah 33 is the same logic. Pile in money when you are nutted and there is a good chance your opponent is strong enough to call.
If it were a Rainbow ( lowcards, paired ) board on the flop, the difficulty would be to find the appropriate amount of bluffs; - one either tends to over- or under- bluff, mostly the former, while representing only small value range. And, of course, a not insignificant portion of said value range would probably consist of Tx; raising mostly for protection against overcards. - Here, however, we have somewhat more of an incentive to check-raise, as our bluffs are more clearly defined; mostly as Flush draws. Still, I assume one wants mostly to run a mixed strategy with Range; calling with TT, e.g. , helps to protect the weaker hands, and bluffing too much with ( especially: weaker) draws opens its own can of worms. Anyways, 33 is indeed quite ideal for a Raise; - it should not block too much of Hero's Continue range, and by raising he mostly "loses" weak Overcard draws from Hero; - maybe at most sth. like J9cc ( likely not QJcc, however) which often would have continued to barrel on the Turn.
@@Badbentham I agree with your general analysis here, but I'm not sure that a mixed strategy, e.g. failing to grow the pot as much as you can with TT or 33 isn't burning money at the altar of balance. I can't see how it's ever bad to fastplay extremely strong holdings when so much of the opponent's range will continue, potentially for stacks.
If your opponent is a very good player that you play with frequently then I can see calling sometimes for balance, but in the large majority of real-world cases this is just too juicy of an opportunity to pass up. Hands like this make up a big chunk of your winrate, and it would be a shame not to maximize them.
When the caller is a Sunday afternoon nap
The voice and tone of the caller was unenthusiastic-sounding and it started to annoy me at some point.
Grammar fix needed in the thumbnail.
Maybe not NEEDED.... but worth considering! Either way- quality content as always.
Yes, lose the “has” or change “came” to “come”
Callers logic makes no sense. He says villain has zero bluffs and his river bet is too polar to be K high flush, so he is stronger than that. So just fold?
Yeah if there’s no bluffs and no worse value it’s obviously just a fold.
You still have some pot odds. It's not THAT straight forward.
@@stephenmetzler729 he’s getting 2:1 but that doesn’t matter. If he thinks V has 0 bluffs and 0 worse value then he loses 100% of the time he calls, so why call?
Too bad the 5 of 💎 didnt peel off on the river for that BB 🎰
I think the problem w/ reverse pot odds is that if a player bets an amount that gives you just a small percentage of the pot left in your stack if you call they typically have a MONSTER
I have a monster in my pants
Before reveal...paired board, paired board run run run
😂😂 that Villian was a fuckin beast. Got damn he played that hand sneaky 🎉❤
Grammar police on your thumbnail... "No one has COME up with this before".
I'm lost as to why Bart is eliminating combos of 10's? Can someone explain that concept to me? I always thought you eliminated combos based on likelihood they wouldn't be played, like unsuited KQ vs suited KQ?
It is more that the population doesn't usually play TT like that (but importantly does play broadway flush draws that way the vast majority of the time). So you can discount TT compare to other hands they would raise flop bet turn bet river with even though you expect to see TT some portion of the time. That said I personally think Bart over discounted TT given that particular board (I'd still jam river though because I'd give villain 3-4 value combos we lose to and at least that many k high and q high flushes which call though it is pretty close), but I don't have nearly the experience about how often people actually raise there.
@@qazzaqstan Thanks, you explained that well. I was taking it too literally. I agree with you also, should have given 1.5 combos of 10s.
Why would you ever 3 bet the flop here? What worse hand will call you? Maybe diamonds but you block diamonds. 3 combos of tt btw, 1 combo of 33. I might fold river honestly vs most villains since people don't pot typically on a paired board w a small flush.
I wanted to thank you Bart, you contributed in me coming back to my best poker mindset, i played live yesterday in 2/4, lost the first 450€ buy in, mostly with a 2 card lower straight against the nut straight who overbet river, then with a big preflop raise with DD against Ax i had folded with an A on the flop.
Anyway came back with 400, down to less than 200, went all in Cbet with a made hand against a combo draw who paid.
Then i started 'breathing' and feeling it like in my best days, completely detached from the outcome, focus and non emotional, self aware, regretless, adjusting.
Got a small rush, left with 1170€ and more than that, the confidence that i came back with a much better level ready to fold anything, i almost folded a K high flush versus the A high flush 2 cards, just called he had it.
Folded top pairs on the flop, heard the famous frustrated "you fold with THAT?" In one word i played Poker !
Thanks a lot
This is why I don't chase flushes once the board has paired. And if I do, I have no problem folding to large bets. I figured the Guy had 10's. But 33 is pretty much the same to a flush.
Caller is “Captain Douche”. People always know better than Bart. Yet, they call him and he just about hits the hand on the head. You got “coolered” bro. Trying to figure out coolers is totally ridiculous.
If this caller thinks there are no Bluffs, which is fair, but also wouldn't do this with King hi flush, then shouldn't the play be to fold? I agree with the all-in
Yeah his logic didn’t make sense.
Titles are so irrelevant, Bart...
Did we wake this caller up?
"there's no bluffs" he says, after I watched the video in which 42 clubs triple barrels all in with air the entire way. THERE ARE ALWAYS BLUFFS
What was the untaught concept that now is taught, i didn't get it
He did that with pocket 3’s??? Were you playing against Rampage 🤣? That guys gonna go broke eventually 100%
5️⃣♦️ river bink
This is a fold all day. Whenever someone isn’t scared of anything. It’s because they have a reason to not be scared
Caller is not understanding Bart's combinations analysis.
The combinations analysis was incorrect.
I hope someone reads and responds to my question. First the stakes I play are usually 1-2(400), 1-3(500), and 2-5(1000). I've been in hundreds of situations like this caller where I put out the 1/4 to 1/3 post flop cbet in position only to be check raised. Offen I will evaluate what sizes the out of position will lead out the turn with ans 3 bet an amount slightly less. So in this video when he was check raised to 300 I would have likely taken it to 750 and reevaluate his response of how hard is this guy trying to get it all in. Am I completely wrong playing a strategy like this?
Adding if he 5 bet flop let him have it, if he leads yet again turn let him have it and mix checks and bets if he checks Turn and definitely give up on a second check raise turn?
The funny thing is the hero still had an out against quads going into the river.
Exactly, and at my casino, I'm never folding that just for the jackpot
If the 5 of Diamonds hit on the river that caller would have been happy
"i gave him every combo of tens". Ya don't say
I can say with most certainty I would of folded flop to the check raise, in these spots it’s rarely a bluff and worse you are usually drawing dead. I would muck and on the next one and feel great for avoiding this cooler
at these stakes you're facing x-raises more frequently - BB for instance is supposed to x-raise like 25% of their hands IIRC. You'd want to look and confirm but you can't afford to muck just because you got x-raised. At 1-2 you might profitably fold against the x-raise but not at these stakes.
3! the flop seems like a pretty grievous error to me. I don't see much we're getting value from and I don't see much we're getting fold equity from. What's he folding that we're behind? JJ, 99, and maybe AT? I don't even think those hands are likely to be x/r. I would expect a decent amount of his x/r to be flush draws, they're hands we get a ton of value from if a diamond hits, and practically all of them will fold.
Edit: I think it's a slam dunk shove on the river. V only really has T's or 3's. Maybe he has 4's or 7's if he's an absolute weirdo, but they seem as likely as spazz bluffs. V has a bunch of flushes he thinks he's taking an overpair to value town with that he'll call because of the price.
Sometimes it is not necessarily getting better to fold. While getting better to fold is nice, with the nut draw you sometimes want to grow the pot, so when you hit you can win a bigger pot from a hand that might not fold. In this specific case, it didn't work out but there are a lot of value hands where Hero would have won a big pot.
You're getting value from worse flush draws, while also denying equity from broadways
@@fedea82 Maybe a pro like Addamo is incorporating a balanced strategy with KcQc or OcJc, but for damn near 99% of players x/r broadways is indistinguishable from a spazz bluff. As for worse flushes, even if you 3! small to 900 they're getting decent odds right now. They're paying 600 for 1700 with like 18% equity for the turn against an overpair or trips, they're damn near dead against a higher flush, and the pot's going to be 2300 so they're going to expect a big turn bet (1200 to a shove). Hero has bet and raised literally every opportunity, even against a x/r. They might call with a K high fd, but I'd expect every other flush to fold. I'd probably not even expect many K fds to call.
@@danielwilliams9753 i get that, I just think the only hands you're "winning a big pot against" are a 3 (which your behind) and a flush (which practically all fold to a 3! OTF). The caller didn't even think villain was value betting a Khfd without the 3! OTF.
Td is on the board
The small raise told me this guy was nutted off the rip. I always proceed with caution live when villains min/small raise. Begging to grow the pot IMO. I would have also played this as just a call. I agree with caller's take on absolute pot size and opponents often just having it.
I’m probably exploitable because of this but I might just fold to this river bet. Especially with the callers explanation that villian isn’t taking this line with worse flushes
exploits are the way to outperform in live, I could easily see folding the nut flush to an OMC or other straightforward player types.
I’m with you. I just don’t think villain takes this line with anything other the a boat or quads
@@jaychardif V is an OMC you could make the case for just exploitably folding to the flop check raise.
All the smart math and theoretical hand analysis in the world….. will not beat flopped quads! When you are running bad…. You are running bad. The story of my last 18 mo. of poker.
Nevertheless….. good advice Bart!
I think the caller folded and didn't want to get chewed out by Bart so he lied and said he just called the river bet.
So he made up the part about the guy having quads? 😂
@@hogi99 Everyone would show quads regardless
A fold here would have been tough, but smart.
This hand screams building the pot on every street bc they have a monster. They either think the hero has an over pair, will float, with some kind of diamond to chase on the river. When they make that last river bet, they are hoping that you have a flush or an over-pair with a diamond blocker or shit, 1010. Screams monster to me on the river. I 100% fold on that river bet to a random, unless I have history with them and know their play style.
You should be 3 betting this flop.
A river jam is best because villain can have virtually all flushes (because against PSB on riv, hero has to call with hands ask weak as OP+ diamond blocker).
From villain perspective if he realizes that big pairs or flushes are out there I can definitely see why he went to big on the river. I think I fold here just because like what are this guys bluffs? And highly doubtful he is over valuing his hand.
I put him on 3-4 suited
5♦️ woulda been the sickest river. Dealer missin an opportunity on that one.
Everyone get's frisky now and then...even AI should know that.
You have to give the villain every combo of 10s. Makes no sense otherwise.
This guy has a personality of a wall! Wow that was tough to listen to for 20 mins 😂
Great line by villain
Ya didn't think about how that combo would be played, did ya?? Haha jk
b75 flop with all A7-2s in this configuration. Also b75 with AA and KK. If I b75 and they still x/r, then I jam 3b the flop.
The jam 3b makes no sense, you fold out worse equity, and get called when you're dead
@10:20 c/r with jack10 with the jack of diamonds
Preflop 3bet too loose, even as a mix. Blows my mind how wide some higher stakes live guys are. I don’t hate the 1/4 flop bet, but this deep we should be going bigger and more polar
I agree with everything you have to say… but I dont think its all that bad playing deep… I mean the opens in the higher stakes games are very very wide, and squeezing out the blinds if you are going to play they hand at all seems like a decent idea. 🤷♂️
Personally when I watch high stakes live streams it seems like the 3 bets are just the standard opening range that most of us would have in a $2/5 game…
If the flop was 10/3/2 turn 5, river 7, his 3 bet pre would look genius.
What ever happened to not chasing a draw against a paired board?
Caller projected his feeling of big pot to the analysis
Toose hahaha.
Oh im getting stacked here.
Wow he check raises the flop with quads . He must have put you on over pairs
??? Why wouldn't he lol. This is a 3bet pot. Bart literally explained the configuration
@@MrTjthorso what are you talking about the hero 3 bet so he can have all the AA, KK, QQ
@@rppoker8541 right... but the "wow" made it sound like you were surprised. Followed by the "must have" put you on overpairs
@@MrTjthorso I was very shocked that the absolute nuts would do that? Who do you know that would do that on the flop? I can see the turn or the river but the flop
I was smelling TT and him hoping you had a 3
Caller still seems tilted from this hand lmao
Before I see end result I’m guessing he has a3 suited
Caller at the end “how could you not see that he had quad 33s bro” I agree with Bart you’re a nit
It could have been TT.
cant really put him on what he had so
What about A/3 hearts, does he ever have that?
What is the difference between reverse pot odds and pot committed?
Seems like the same thing to me
You bet, but keep a small amount of money behind, that you have to pay as Reverse Pot Odds, losing you $$, everytime when raised. - As you are already pot committed. It comes, as Poker basics, down to: When in actual doubt, without having the Nuts or running a bluff, between All-In and an only somewhat smaller half-measure sizing: Shove! 😉
Villain played this flawlessly!
Are not more trips represented on 1033 vs 1077 or 1088 as there are more A2-5 three bet semi bluffs in heros buttons rangeversus ace7/8?
Maybe but there are more 7s overall, such as 76, 87, 97, particularly because of how deep they are.
He was talking about villain, villain doesn't represent trips there, hence hero can bet bigger.
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No one has 'come' up with this before.
😂😅 that's what they all say.
Flopped quads
Well I was wrong oops
I was putting Villain on a full house or maybe quads tbh.
Yea by the river I would sense that something’s terrible wrong for me
Thats a ballsy check raise on the flop with a monster because you're going to push the opponent off most hands which you don't want to do
@@cial67hero has all combos of AA-TT. Do you think those are folding to a small check raise? And obviously flush draws aren’t.
Even AK might peel one off hoping you’re semi-bluffing and will slow down on a brick turn.
Awesome analysis!
I'm pretty sure Sklansky talked about reverse implied odds in his book many years ago.
Reverse implied odds refers to something entirely different. That’s the extra money you lose IF you make your hand and the draw is no good
Bart said reverse pot odds.
Bart, you’re going against your own logic at the end. It’s not just two combos of flushes, he would have to play those two combos 100% that way to make sense if you’re not going to count all combos of TT or 33.
By saying that he's only giving him 2 combos he's saying that he isn't playing all his flush combos that way 100 percent of the time basically. Same logic he applied to TT and 33
Doesn't matter whether you call or raise. Only way to make money is for your opponent to hit something. Last time I flopped quads everyone checked and then folded to a small bet but that's just the way it goes.
Or think you’re full of it or just be a maniac I guess. Last time I made quads, I was the in position player and V check-raised and just kept barrelling into me. I snapped his river all in and he had complete air 😂
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj or be lucky enough that you found some donk who decided to randomly spazz into you with air
i think based on pot size river bet and no bluff logically it’s better to consider between calling and folding never raising calling most of the time but if you think opponent will not bet lower flush with this sizing then folding is also a option here 😅
If you’re not shoving you should be folding
Well no because you’re getting 2:1 on the call, whereas to raise you have to beat >50% of the hands he’ll call with.
So if hero thinks V has all 4 combos of TT/33, plus KQ, KJ, QJ of diamonds then calling is correct.
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the clickbaity thubnails are not great IMO, i liked the old way , but im sure you get more clicks from the new ones. keep up the great content.
I flopped trips last night and fast played it like a bluff until it became quads. My proudest moment xD.