Avoid Making one of the WORST PLAYS in Poker
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.พ. 2022
- Bart discusses with the caller one of the worst plays that you can make in poker (aggressive action with a draw and no fold equity).
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Caller should be grateful to have a player like villain in his game
A lot of dentist appointments go smoother than these questions/answers for hero.
Love these fish vs fish hands.
Barts callers remind me why I play poker. Money is just there for the taking
Yep
The comments remind me even more 🤣
And these are the people actually trying to improve
Ranging is tough, especially when you can’t remember the last street. Who was pfr. I call
Uh huh. Yup.
Man, I did not see that reveal at the end coming.
The irony is that the "worst play in poker" actually would have worked here.
Well…it would have avoided having to fold on the river. But on the other hand…getting a hand that’s drawing dead against you on the turn to fold isn’t usually described as a good play 😂
@@nicks210684 You're not the poker playing John Smith I used to know in a large Southern city in the late '00s, are you?
@@PhilipJReed-db3zc ha nope. It’s not my real name.
Yep
I see that type of play quite a bit when playing small-stakes online. Usually, they end up doing it one time too many. The funny part is they can't help themselves and have to show when not showing would protect their image.
Depends on what image you’re going for.
@@mikemck4796 - Yea but for some odd reason there are certain personality type that just can't help themselves and they aren't good enough to exploit it. They always seem to want to show their cards. I think they get a rush out of making people fold when they have rags but they can't switch gears to make it pay off.
Clearly there are better players that can exploit this but I see a ton of these guys who suck at low limits doing this than getting felted 10 minutes later.
Yep
@Mike Camire Amen. I couldn't have said that Any Better.
Thanks so much Bart I love your content great video
A good example of overvaluing "what are his bluffs".
I can't see how 8 on the river could be a bit dicey. I'd argue it's the river that's is gonna make us most money by open jamming and is almoast as much the nuts as a hearth river would be. Especially in live games 8 is the best out we have.
Is your assumption that any A is going to call your jam?
Are you picking the River 8 over a K specifically to target A’s up hands?
Are all of those hands folding to a heart but calling an 8?
Could be the case, but it seems they’d all have to be true to make an 8 your money maker.
@@mikemck4796 one thing I hadn’t considered initially is that the downside with an 8 landing is that it means all villain’s AJ/AT/A9 are now chopping with any worse ace since the Q plays.
But I still jam on an 8. I think Ax will call since all the draws bricked out. If the guy has A8 exactly then so be it.
@@nicks210684 I think I’d agree if you believe every A calls. I just don’t think they do. I think the 2 pair+ call, but I believe they call when a heart lands as well.
Would you have any bluffs you jam that even require the 2pair to call?
@@mikemck4796 i was saying over a flush. K river is problematic, i agree with that. With 8 river we're mostly losing to 1 combo of A8 sooted or cold called AA or QQ. Our opponent could easily put us on J10, missed FD or Ax trying to push him off a chop, especially in live games most players wouldn't think far enough to find any hands in our range that contain an 8. And yes, as the hand played, top pair or FD would be the usual suspects for our holding, so i think we rarely get paid if we hit our flush. By open jamming we do lose some value vs his J10 and FD but i don't think he'd find the balls to bluff 8 river anyway, since our top pair no kicker just hit one of the best cards in the deck to potentially make a river call.
@@mikemck4796 how would you play an 8 river then? Check-call?
“Look at it from his (villain’s) perspective.” Not doing this more is Bart’s only flaw. He does it, but mot enough. Bart gives the best poker analysis on TH-cam. Just making a nitty, but valid point.
great stuff bart as usual
These videos are like short stories to me with how many twists and turns they have
This caller saying yep yep it’s contagious to Bart
I see fish betting with air when they’re last to act on the flop all the time. It quickly goes from trying to buy the pot, to running bad bluffs like this example. So many Hands turn equity with the 7od too..
What games do you play in?
@@keithkelso9872 2/5 home games. Usually 9/10 at table with 6-15k on table at any given time.
Stopped at 18:30. I find this hand very interesting because the the Ad on the River is the BEST A for your hand, as it means villain can't have AdXd, which before the river would have been a significant part of villain's range.
So, what A combo can villain have? AcX AsX AcAs. AcQc, AsQs are obvious and beat you, but any other A combination is unlikely to play this way, we can remove all Ad from his hand, as it's impossible, so is trip As going to jam on this river? You could have many backdoor diamonds, Td9d, QdJd, KdQd, 6d5d.
No, AcAhAd is not shoving, and AsAhAd is not shoving. So villain is shoving either a logical bluff, JhTh, Th9h, 9h8h. Turning his hand into a bluff but beating you KdQd, QdJd or bluffing with a range of hands, such as an Tx9x combo which picked up equity on the Turn but missed, and your standard random air bluff, which is EXCEEDINGLY player dependent.
AA and the AQ combos beat you, so how often does villain play none suited AQ? Why it's interesting to me, is that the more often villain players off-suit AQ the more often he's likely to bluff as well, so it's an interesting dynamic. You lose to more logical combinations, but there are more air bluffs in his range.
What would villain put you on? If villain can put you on a hand like Kh8h, or any 8 for that matter, villain is going to bluff on that river. I'd likely call, because you are getting great pot odds, and the Ad reduces A combos you lose to. You are going to lose the majority of the time, but I think you win enough in the long run to be EV+
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Edit, can't say I saw that exact hand in his range.
I pretty much agree but I still lean towards a fold ... it is player dependent so if it's a fairly tight player it's an easy fold but uf it's loose crazy aggressive players I guess I could see calling here if you're right 30-plus percent of the time you make a little money getting about 2 1/2 on the call
How could hero have 65dd? Only a total fish would call the flop next to act with that hand. The only reasonable diamond combo that hero calls the flop with is JTdd which has a double gutshot.
Also, why are you assuming villain could have AA but not QQ?
@@nicks210684 I must have accidentally edited out the QQ hand. I often type the response as it's playing, then stop the feed and finish the thought. This sometimes means I delete something I meant to include, and don't notice it because I had typed it earlier. I type at over 75 WPM, so it gets pretty long then I have to edit down.
Yep
Trip As are defo shoving after a river check to them,you think theyll really fear a flush?
I think the right play in this hand would be to check raise the flop for a couple of reasons - button bets could be anything; you can raise out strong hands of the original raiser; you’re drawing to the nut flush; and you can take the hand down without even making a flush.
I agree this is the mistake I see with this hand…..he bet 75 I would of raised to 225….
The flat on the flop is horrible, agreed. This river spot is inevitable when you play monster draws this passively.
Flatting is fine, you don't have to turn every draw into a bluff, you have no idea whether or not the pfr is trying to CR a set or AQ or check folding at this point in the hand, also what are you repping? A8, 88 only, can't bluff 15 flush draws and JT, should be check calling allot of draws here, NFD and pair has good properties to put it in the passive range, a bit of sdv and dominating other draws. Nothing wrong with going XC,XC,XF with the worst hand sometimes. Also stop thinking in terms of "right way to play this hand", poker is a series of hands not a hand in a vacuum, you need to come up with an overall strategy for all of your hands, every hand is just a piece of a larger puzzle, raising this hand, 88, A8 and JT might be your strategy and that would be tough to counter but you could also replace this hand with T9◇ and use this hand as a call, as long as your overall strategy is well thought out you'll be a tough opponent, but start bluffing too much or too little and you'll be easy to play against.
@@PokerOCD How is pair+nfd a bluff? It's got at least 40% equity against practically any holding, will often be flipping with the "best" hand, and is a hand you are perfectly happy to take down the pot immediately OR play it to showdown. This doesn't even factor into a GTO value-to-bluff ratio because it's a perfect semi-bluff hand.
And why not check-call? Because you're out of position, and 75% of the time the turn will not help you, putting you in a shitty unprofitable position. You need the betting lead with this kind of hand from OOP.
going back to villains first action post-flop, whereas he bet into the field whilst being in position, after the first two opponents showed weakness (including the pre-flop raiser on such a draw heavy and wet board) lends itself to him potentially having air. By the end of the hand, with the reveal, also lends itself being full on in villain's bluff category. Zero equity, only chance to win is to bluff.
Yep
True. And the constant “check call” by Hero screams that he’s trying to draw cheaply. When neither that straight not the flush get there by the river, he has to be willing to 3-barrel as he has no show down value. That’s said, it’s easy to see that now after we know the result. Without any read on Villain as a maniac the Hero can only assign a PORTION of villains hands as bluffs by the river. Sometimes, your gonna get bluffed. In fact, if you are not getting bluffed on occasion you are calling too often. Hero had good instincts by wanting to check-raise. It was his timing that was off. He should have done it on the flop. Villain would have had a hard time calling with no equity and instead would have had to make a decision whether to 4 bet jam as a bluff - which would be a mistake based on these stack sizes because Hero would be getting decent odds to call with 2 cards left to come.
This is proof you can still make lots of money in poker. Can not believe V showed his bluff.
Great analysis
patience of a saint
Bart I don’t agree with you on this one that bettor has to be that strong. Against the blind he can easily be betting big on turn with any ace. This bettor doesn’t have aa, Qq, most likely doesn’t have AQ, and we have an 8 to block A8 and 88. This is a great spot to check raise flop or turn. Let’s say bettor has AJ or AT doesn’t he fold on turn?
This might be one of the most confused callers Bart's had on his show. His reasoning just didn't make sense to me, but I'm a rec hack... so there's that. 😁
Ya I’m not sure this guy should be playing 2/5
@@houndofzeus Maybe he hates money. At the end when he says the ace is a terrible card for him? It changes nothing, except making it less likely his opponent has one. He's already losing to one ace, and everything else, the only thing he beats is a bluff. 😂
@@hogi99 I guess the only way in which it’s a terrible card is if he was planning to try and bluff, except even then it brings in the backdoor which he could try and rep.
Really like how you dissected this one! I know a lot of the 2-5 player base would not check\fold K river. Thanks again for the content Bart!
Yep
@@gordonbelle1375 Insightful comments today Gordon!
@@Gos1234567 Can I get a yep?
@@gordonbelle1375 yep yep
After the turn, could you put villain on QQ?
This shit kills me. Because 90% of all the players I know would have went all in on flop or at least the turn. Especially in 2/5 and in 1/2 99% would have shoved at flop.
I m one of those 90% players lol i would ve probably 3bet 240 on the flop and they all would ve folded,but yeah i dont think its good .A lot of players myself included need like a lot of training and study the game,otherwise you cant make it in the long run.
Sammy Farha poker…just push your equity and run it twice.
@@panda4ever99 why is check-raising the flop bad? Bart seems to like the line and I agree. Hero can credibly rep 88, A8 maybe even Q8s when he closed the action on the big blind.
This seems like one of our better hands to semi bluff with.
You would have SHOVED $700 into a pot of less than $200? XD What a fish.
I'm one of the 90% but I wouldn't be in that pot with K8s out of position.
Biggest mistake was being too passive on the flop bet. With his smaller stack size put the pressure on the field. We know the original raiser isn't likely to have a strong Ace and if he does you will find out with a 3 bet. The button now has to either fold or be committed to his whole stack. I just don't get the flat call on the flop.
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I'm OK with going XC,XC,XF when I miss here vs most opponents, most players would underbluff and even vs a perfectly balanced villain, the K♡ in hand makes it a fold. I'd prefer to use an unpaired non nut draw for my bluffs but we don't need many bluffs since we're only repping A8 and 88. I don't necessarily agree X folding K rivers, I know 2 pair beats no value but we block allot of value with 2 pair so I'd only fold vs nits and just take my medicine if an aggressive player shows up with 88/A8/AQ/AK. Seems some of these comments are results oriented, only reasonable way to bluff this draw is CR on flop with lots of equity but the PFR is deeper than the button so we're just getting it in very bad when he has AA/QQ/AQ and we pot commit ourselves.
An agg villain would never shop up there with AQ/AK on BU.
I did this the other day with 2 understand but to a preflop caller that donk bet on the flop, I read this sometimes as a draw so I went with it, 3 bet turn, shove river, he folded, I was very happy with my guess except he later turned a set against my KK so it happens
Drink everytime the caller goes "Hmm / Yeah" GL 🤣
Yup
This is a great hand.
On this river, throughout the hand I put V on AdXD and some KdXd, so I’m might block bet for small to set my price to target other busted Heart/gut shot straight draws and weirdly enough, by principles alone, fold because this line isn’t bluffed at this level. For example, H calling OOP from the flop puts him on a strong calling range AND by V betting puts them on an even stronger betting range, like trips or better. So technically I fold on the river - though emotionally I might call. Simply, there are more value to bluffs here. For me to call on the river, I’d need more game flow/hand history vs the V.
Considering the result, I’d wager V must have shown other weird lines that I could flick in a call _some_times. And not to be results oriented, Caller made a good, albeit very painful, fold.
Edit: for me to get to the river as so, it requires a disciplined fold, which I might have on some days, might not.
But I probably check jam flop or turn so I won’t get to the river as such.
There any merit to three bet squeezing with hero’s hand in the bb?
I disagree. A lot of low stakes players will overplay A10, AJ, or a slow played AK. It happens all the time; they think top pair is the nuts even on a dynamic board texture. Depends on the game but I think there are also more draws you're not considering. Even holding hearts... its close.
Obviously with the river Ace rolling off it's a clear cut fold.
All of Ax beat K8 in this spot, so easy fold.
If he check raises the flop like he’s supposed to he wins the hand right there or he becomes the aggressor/bluffer instead of just check calling until he misses his draw.
Oh, I've seen this. At this exact place.
Instinctively, I would just shove the turn. You can get called by worse draws. The chances of him betting A9 (unless Hero is a calling station) and below is slim. So that leaves AT, AJ, maybe 1 combo of AQ and 87, 2 combos of A8, JT, J9, T9, and perhaps some bottom pair bluffs, which we beat. Jxdd/hh, T9dd/hh, and J9 dd/hh are getting the right price to call. If he folds, we fold out a hand with a lot of equity.
don't think there is fold equity here on the turn
@@user-wu9je9qz3x it depends on the player, but I'm playing K8 like a draw as it has little to no showdown value. And if your card hits, there is no feasible way to get the rest of the money.
You people and your combos
The villain was playing the 72 game all by himself with 42
That Attack The Field Bettor move would probably have been effective here.
Doug Polk check raises nut flush draw on turn:
th-cam.com/video/RWo44QcMXm0/w-d-xo.html
You always have fold equity. Villain is completely capped in this hand on the AQ8 flop as he is 3betting AA, QQ and AQ preflop. So he's essentially capped at 88 and hero is blocking that hand. Check-jamming turn is a fine play and definitely +EV.
Min raise the flop after he bets, and he jams it’s an easy call to with your stack sizes you are only risking 35-40% of your stack with the nut draw. Long term this is not a play you make every time. The main thing from this discussion was the player type that was left out. The quality of the game and how long the hero was playing was left out also. We all know if your up a couple of hundred in a few hours you can risk that small profit to justify a call if he jams. The number of bullets was left out that was brought to the game.
I truly want to play with this caller!
Yep
1. Caller is a crushlivepoker subscriber
2. Caller has called Bart actively knowing that he has made mistakes in this hand.
3. Caller accepts that he made mistakes in the hand and agrees with Bart’s ideas backed up by logic.
If you ask me he’s ahead of most of the players in my game
@@skyeangelofdeath7363 Not gonna lie, that mistake is huge. It makes the whole rest of the hand difficult to play and basically he's playing bingo with a strong draw rather than turning it into a solid semi-bluff.
Joe take a drive to Bethlehem!
Guy is Playing the Kobe! At my local casino its a famous hand
“Yup!”
“Yep”
I put him on KJ diamonds
Hero should’ve check raised the flop and led the turn
He can have a lot of diamond draws and Ax of diamonds.
As for the turn. I am not so convinced our better is strong. He has the button on a scary board and the pre flop raiser checked. He should be betting pretty wide. Even QJ is probably a bet here. The preflop raiser has waived the white flag and the other guy who cold called the raise checked. A bet on almost anything probably shows a profit. The principle of "attack the field" applies to him too! Now look at the turn.....The button had a great outcome on the flop. The BB (who may be VERY wide) called and the other 2 players with much narrower ranges, folded. What does the BB have?
It seems the BB should be wide here because the button is attacking the field. Sure, the PFR might raise, but that seems remote. With 4 players and a wet board, he is far more likely to be playing in a straightforward manner So the BB should have all kinds of Aces as well as a ton of heart draws, any JT and maybe.even as little as a queen,. He might even have KhJc and similar. With this in mind, it seems like the button will bet a lot of turns but will often be weak. Isn't this exactly the kind of range you want to check raise jam with this weak made hand with a nut draw. I think the 8 is big here. It provides 5 more outs vs a stubborn Ac9c. It will, on occasion beat a lower pair. Maybe you opponent has 7h6h or 4h5h and the river comes a 4 or 5. On what is already looking like a close play, that equity boost seems really good.
I guess the problem here, if there is one, is that players simply call you down too often. If so, won't they be paying off you good hands too much. So sure, medium strength made hands can check the turn, but that strategy has some pretty big flaws too, especially if you can correctly fold to any check raise on the turn.
Also, this line protects you from getting bluffed out. How much is that worth? Well....on this hand....a whole lot. This probably applies in a very wide range of hands. If you have marginal showdown value, think you have fold equity, and cannot call a river bet, why not check raise if you think your opponent has a wide range and may even have an draw you currently beat. I know Bart has talked a bit about pair+flush draw hands and I think he said they are overrated and people can burn off a lot of chips on them? Can someone explain how. this is so. These hands seem like great hands to get very aggressive with, especially when opponents have weak ranges.
Another thought....If calling that river is even a decision, how bad can check raising the turn be?
FFS what a long winded post.!
This is why you check raise flop!! Always go back to preflop betting, he almost never has any strong AceX in his range. I would have blasted off huge and forced a fold.
Like you said depends on the game. Not much 3betting in low stakes. I see alot of calling with AQ, even multiway where squeezing would be a slam dunk. However the average 2-5 rec also has alot of weak AceX and Qx that bets flop, that check raising is probably +ev even though this board doesn't favor your range on the flop to be raising. If they call your check raise on the flop, I wonder if it's still +ev to shove turn given their range is mostly two pair at that point, given the size of the pot, how much your risking and your odds of hitting on the river.
@@AT-bw4cm the kind of passive player who wouldn’t squeeze with AQ preflop will probably have tons of worse aces that will also call a check raise not to mention draws like JThh, J9hh, T9hh that we have crushed. And even vs AQ we still have 40%.
why not AQ for villain?
Did I hear that this guy was from PA?
fold preflop
and that's why check raising the flop was the easiest play of your life.
Stopped it at 4:47 to ask, what if they will play for stacks with any Ax? Is there any point in raising?
Very few players, good AND bad, will play for stacks with Ax on this exact board, at least from the flop as a reference point. But even taking your premise as true, use equity to figure it out. K8h is going to have ~45% equity against Ax so either passive or aggressive should work against that exact player, as long as you are usually stacking them when you hit 2 pair or a flush when you take the passive route.
@@noex100 that's fair.
This is the casino I play poker at! Wonder if I was there for this hand?
You were. Otherwise, why would you posted it.
Tony G.. Of course I lied Phil, It's poker,,
I fold preflop, unless 2 of the 3 opponents are fish, or 1 is a fish and 2 never get out of line. Friends don't let friends play K8s, even 4 ways. But if I get to the flop, I donk-lead more often than not, and check-raise most of the rest of the time. After the donk lead, I pseudo-randomize whether I play it like a coin flip I'm not afraid of, or like a set, if I get raised. As the pseudo-random factor, I apply some fuzzy logic to my image, the raiser's image, their raise size, and their stack size. (I sure don't want $2700 going in on the flop against anyone nitty who raises my $60ish flop bet into $100.)
May I please attach a tracking device to Villain? Maybe to Hero too, if he thought that river was a bad card.
I mean K8s OOP, of course. In position, it's OK.
So what exactly is "Attacking the field bettor"?
When pre-flop raiser folds you take over
No ACE... No Pre Flop 3 Bet, Ace on the River. Insta ALL-In after the River.... BLUFF !
Yeah, I hate those River cards that make a hand better than mine that was already better than mine.
I was surprised Bart didn't also mention that when explaining why it wasn't that bad of a card. Bad, yes, but his reasoning for why it was bad for him was bad was off base for 2 reasons.
@@johns783 I think Bart probably thought it inherent in his argument.
At exactly 19:56 barts sounds exactly like princess bride …
What ! Inconceivable!
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
You always have fold equity. Villain is completely capped in this hand on the AQ8 flop as he is 3betting AA, QQ and AQ preflop. So he's essentially capped at 88 and hero is blocking that hand. Check-jamming turn is a fine play and definitely +EV.
Villian knew for a fact he could bluff this guy; I know this player type. I would do the same
I am as clueless as this caller...but at least I am self aware of it.
I am 110% check-raising the flop........ your thoughts Bart?
The only thing is the caller didn't reveal this players style or emotional state, physical tells,etc... Wish the callers would go into more detail about their opposition and table dynamics
Hell ya
Ideas the caller from Wind Creek a few weeks ago. Caller, comment back if you want to meet up at Wind Creek.
Worst play was not check raising the flop!
4 2 lol
Well, at least they were suited...
Sorry all you pros....nothing will protect you from that random of a hand. The fact villian got up and left shortly after, especially after bragging, shows he knew how truly random that was.
Fold pre
Title should be, "Villain plays poker".
I think OOP I just fold turn. Not getting pot odds. Don’t mind it as played, you block too many of the bluffs and his range is still really ace heavy.
I lost count on the Yups from Bart and the caller …
And this is the reason that not ever showing any aggression at all cost you the pot. On the flop or turn a min click would have won it.
The only bluffs I could think of were JT or J9 suited. What a fuckin hadn
I had two callers on a $17 bet I re raised with AA to 80 more got two callers flop 9 hearts 2 diamonds 6 of hearts under the gun checks seat on my right fire's $70 I jam for $400 more under the gun folds and and guy on my right tanks and calls turn comes a 6 of clubs and river is 8 of diamonds he tells me he thinks he got me and turns over 63 of spades so everyone is a donk in my book
You should go pro.
Yeah, yep, yeah, ya, yah
If K (or an 8) comes on the river I don't play check-fold but push All-In! My line looks so much like a busted draw that my opponent would be very tempted to call with any A!. I also don't see him having any really strong hands here (besides an aggressively played JT): AA, QQ, 88 are rarely in there (there is only one 88 and AA and QQ should have 3-bet preflop). So I lose to the occasional A8, A7, KQ and JT and win against all the Ax and the occasional 87 or K7.
That's a great play
You’re all pros
Yup…..yup……..yup…………yup
The caller missed Such a great spot to check-raise flop if he's going to take this kind of line, it would be better to just fold pre.
My first time moving up and sitting at 2/5 at the Bike I planned on being reckless my first couple hands and then nitting it up.
26o first hand I 3-bet and it folded to me. I showed.
Next hand 48o I made a big raise and it folded around.
Then a miracle run happened. I got dealt QQ, AA, AA, JJ, and lastly 88 in succession.
Nobody gave a shit. Each one just folded around to my raise. I realized quickly I wouldn’t be the biggest nit and I went back to 2/3 scared.
Whats the point of this story?
MikeMcK Is ur last sentence showing as u intended to write it? The sentence is a little confusing.
@@theejayzeeable It is. Not sure what’s confusing about it.
It was a fold from the start. Would have saved all his money.
Nah, suited king closing the action is a call.
🤣😂
large bet, out of position against 1+ players you need KTs to re raise. K8s is an easy fold
Why would this guy ever leave after getting that bluff through??? He's gonna get paid off on all his value after that
I love your stuff usually but I don’t see the mystery here. In my experience the villain often does have an ace.
If i gotta miss my draw on the river , im liking the A, but you're kinda stuck because if he has Q he,s liking the A for the same reason, but screw it, i like to gamble , Jam, call!
Wow! For a second i thought i was gonna feel foolish.
I'm check jamming the flop. Next hand please and thanks.
Yeah? And only hand that beats you called!!
@@pot_kivach160 my point is, I'm fine with taking the pot down on the flop. I spotted the same weakness that the villain spotted, so I'm fine with taking advantage, "attacking the field," and stealing it right then. What's really calling me? Set of 8s or A8? I'm blocking that. AQ or bigger set? Unlikely, given the pre-flop action. KdJd or Jh10h? Feasible, but bring on that call. So I'm not expecting action after my check-jam, which is fine. But if I'm wrong, I have enough equity to feel hopeful with the next two streets coming. So bring on the next hand.
@@qlow5956 fair enough.
🤪 Gambling baby!
Cha'alt!
You played the hand wrong flat out
sounds like wind creek in bethlehem
Why can't he have ace x of diamonds?
I see the river now lol
What a fish
I so donk lead this flop, problem solved.
that, or check raise-flop. pretty much only two options that i'd take
@@daveythehand4964 yeah I’m going to check raise. Button almost never has AA/QQ, we block 88 down to 1 combo. AQ should often 3 bet, but even if he has AQ we’ve got 40%.
Me donk leading screams 2 pair with an ace. Then if/when flush hits I can act scared.
A Heroic Taxi Driver im slow for some reason i thought hero was button🤦🏽
Be an adult and jam turn
i like how every live player calls -EV hands out of position pre just because they are suited and everybody is like "yeah K8s? That's an obvious call"
Why would you fold to a $25 bet out of the big blind with king suited in four way action unless you are a super nit?
Could he have KQ diamonds ever?
Could have any two cards you can think of
Anyone else folding pre?
I'd skip the trip to the casino!
Ya bc K8 really plays poorly post flop. You can hit the best possible draw and have villain drawing dead and still manage to fold the winner. So ya fold pre.
Sure.
I don't want to play OOP with a weak suited King multiway without a really compelling reason
@@whimsical_ninja Comments will say I’m a fish, but I think while there’s a time and place for everything, “defending the blind” in raised pots is way overrated and too often used to justify putting themselves in incredibly difficult spots.
Yep yep yep yep ok yep yep ok yep
Caller is a total fish. Just check-raise flop and jam turn.
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Free the USA too....send biden to a retirement home and remove all trash career politicians.