Playing LIMPED pots (What not to do)!!!

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  • Bart Hanson, takes a look at navigating limped multiway pots in poker.

    In this hand the caller makes an extremely wide overcall on the flop that leads to him turning a set. The board runs out dry but he is then check raised on the river by the initial flop better. Bart and he discuss the overcall on the flop, multiway defense responsibility and whether or not he should call on the river.
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  • @nyderalin3644
    @nyderalin3644 3 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    Hey Bart Im playing for fun but one guy thinks im pro. Want to know if this is a good play. Ok, so I have a hand for you, so I limp SB with 24o....

  • @Steve-eb8jc
    @Steve-eb8jc 4 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    If the caller is 3 year 5/10/20 reg and stations off 66 on an ace high multiway flop and the "very good, competent player" plays 42o in the small, then I'm fucking Linus Loeliger. MVP of the hand is Bart for being really, lets say, "nice" to the guy.

    • @certifiedvirologist9918
      @certifiedvirologist9918 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You have to gamble with poverty stricken hands like 4 2 once in a while that way you don't always show up with AK . I crack AA KK with poverty hands hit big or fold

    • @compteofficiel4112
      @compteofficiel4112 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@certifiedvirologist9918 yeah for sure...once in a while when the table dynamics are right (a lot of aggression)...

    • @certifiedvirologist9918
      @certifiedvirologist9918 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@compteofficiel4112 Play mostly 2 3 games hopefully with alot if Asians at the table.

    • @compteofficiel4112
      @compteofficiel4112 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@certifiedvirologist9918 be on the lookout for Russians, former Soviet Russian republics (XX-istan/slovakia/..., and the rest of Eastern Europeans as well...all madmen!

    • @certifiedvirologist9918
      @certifiedvirologist9918 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@compteofficiel4112 I play with them at commerce casino near Los Angeles

  • @fastfunpokerjamie124
    @fastfunpokerjamie124 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I can almost forgive the river call.. the flop call is unforgivable though

  • @HyzerFlexOnYou
    @HyzerFlexOnYou 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good stuff here but jesus christ the ads are out of control

  • @misclic2408
    @misclic2408 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice ..ty ..may i ask .. is it ok that im watchin this ..!??! ,,,. cause im from europe

  • @ryankossow6348
    @ryankossow6348 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bart is trying so hard to be nice to this guy. 2 totally different thinking players

  • @rjp7164
    @rjp7164 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a fish I can't believe he's been playing for 3 years.

  • @Conroy13
    @Conroy13 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bart did you increase the ads? It’s been ridiculous this video.
    5X the video was interrupted by ads..

    • @kristermister4791
      @kristermister4791 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree....but still totally worth it!

    • @MrJamberee
      @MrJamberee 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pay the $11.99 per month for TH-cam premium. No ads.

  • @SFreedberg1
    @SFreedberg1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    two high level players?? High level!!?? alrighty then...........

  • @FernandoTamblayMoenne
    @FernandoTamblayMoenne 4 ปีที่แล้ว +102

    To anyone saying that poker is dead, in a 5/10/20 people like the caller and the SB play.
    You can still profit from this game.

    • @1warlock97
      @1warlock97 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Live poker is as bad as it was 10 years ago (thankfully). Online is a different world.

    • @Haanski
      @Haanski 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@1warlock97 while what you said holds pretty true imo, I think online still has many bad players as well, you just need to have to play at the right sites and right type of stakes.
      But yea there are more bots and crap like that to worry about, the players themseleves aren't honestly that better overall... or rather I feel like I have gotten even better myself as well so that is almost moot (I was also winning player 10+ years ago)
      In short yea, poker is still very beatable as of today.

    • @Havefunatwork
      @Havefunatwork 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      4k stack. Doesn't know what a 3 bet is.

    • @Haanski
      @Haanski 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@Havefunatwork lol :D. 4k literally lit on fire in front of our eyes haha.
      Honestly this might be the worst hand I have ever seen played by a caller on Bart's show. He lost 4k in a pot where he should of lost like 20 bucks or whatever the straddle was.
      As Tony G would say "This is not something for someone to learn from"!

    • @1warlock97
      @1warlock97 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Haanski - I agree that online is beatable, just not for the same ungodly number of BB/100 that live is and certainly not at the same stakes. I've been playing deep-stacked 10/20 live for a long time (too long). A guy can make a pretty penny in these games being modestly competent. 200-500NL online are far harder games, with and without bots. I'm not at the point where I can make up in volume online what I can make live on an hourly basis. More convenient though and great for practice.

  • @itskmillz
    @itskmillz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    "This is where I felt like I was gonna figure out where I was in the hand immediately."
    Bart: *sigh* Well you don't--I mean--I uhh--how long have you been playing cash for? Just out of curiosity."
    Is the most savage unintentional roast I have ever heard in my life. I don't wanna be mean to the guy but I cringed so hard when he said that
    And yet this guy is playing larger stakes than I've ever been comfortable with lol

  • @fevolenko3995
    @fevolenko3995 4 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    "Maybe I can spike a 6".
    Hero found the ultimate solver..

  • @alistairwillock7266
    @alistairwillock7266 4 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    Bart: "So you might get flamed in the chat..."
    Chat:
    Also:
    Chat:

    • @Funktaro5
      @Funktaro5 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I swear, with this one hand I can tell that 2/5 games in Vegas are tougher than this game. Hell ... 1/2 games may be tougher!

    • @n8ball02
      @n8ball02 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Funktaro5 Dude there is no fucking way this dude is playing $5/$10/$20. No fucking way. I also live in the midwest and in the last 6 months made the jump from $2/$5 to $5/$10 and the $2/$5 games were no where near this soft. I can't remember the last time I've seen a multiway limp, much less with a straddle.
      Also this dude doesn't know what a 3 bet is, doesn't know what position is. He thinks players who limp in with the 2 4 from the SB are great. This dude is lost.

  • @Lee-cf4ik
    @Lee-cf4ik 4 ปีที่แล้ว +115

    Bart, you're awesome dude but why does your intro sound like you're reading out a hostage letter

    • @nineninex5558
      @nineninex5558 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hahahahahah

    • @blueknight2787
      @blueknight2787 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It’s bc he has the most annoying voice accent but really awesome content

    • @williamzagarella8066
      @williamzagarella8066 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahahahahaahahaahahaahah

    • @shadowsmessage
      @shadowsmessage 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He in a Nerd/ Geek with low social life

    • @alank642
      @alank642 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks, I'll never hear this intro the same again lol

  • @fevolenko3995
    @fevolenko3995 4 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    Bart : "This is a fold. You have a 2 outer"
    Caller:"Youre PROBABLY right"

    • @edifysalim5359
      @edifysalim5359 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      the reason isn't only because of 2 outer, but the board A 3 5, with limp pot and 2 people calling and a rainbow board, one of them might have a straight draw, even a gut shot like A4, 47, or even 42 is also possible, so the 6 on the turn might be your disaster card however if the flop is A 3 8 rainbow, then this is a different story, the pot was 4 way, a 6 on the turn is your money card

  • @SFreedberg1
    @SFreedberg1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    The way he talked about the game, it sounds like it's a 1-2 game. He said things that that a good player never says - raise to see where I am at. He's 3 betting turn to 560. He doesn't know what a 3 bet is, and he is playing 5-10-20? Alrighty then........

    • @dice1296
      @dice1296 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      the "3-bet" part could well have been a slip-up. i assume this guy's a competent recreational player w/ some money

    • @SFreedberg1
      @SFreedberg1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dice1296 yes, you could be right. Players like that can definitely be dangerous.

    • @pot_kivach160
      @pot_kivach160 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bukowski / lol

    • @joshbrucks
      @joshbrucks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@dice1296 nobody competent overcalls a potsize bet with an under pair lol.

    • @ilikeRUNE
      @ilikeRUNE 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@joshbrucks and then calls in to a podcast about such a retarded spot

  • @karlinchina
    @karlinchina 4 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    "So I was set mining the turn..."

    • @Haanski
      @Haanski 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      yea that is never the smartest way to make money... especially when your pair is never good, and even hitting the set doesn't give you the nuts yet.

    • @Stockhandle123
      @Stockhandle123 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      karlinchina So I’m listening to the call now and I just heard him say the small blind bet out a nearly pot sized bet in to 3 other players and then he should just fold and end of the call. I mean there’s no way he called that bet right?

    • @compteofficiel4112
      @compteofficiel4112 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      roughly 25-1 against

    • @Stockhandle123
      @Stockhandle123 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bruce M. that’s a pretty rough estimate, you can do better.

    • @compteofficiel4112
      @compteofficiel4112 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Stockhandle123 it's not that rough, actually. 24.5 to 1 i guess is more precise, right? hell, that's like printing money!!!! L O L

  • @SydBaron
    @SydBaron 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Most players would fold kings on that flop, and he can't fold pocket 6s?!

  • @vladbcom
    @vladbcom 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    This dude gives me hope that live games are truly alive and well :)

  • @davidelet3652
    @davidelet3652 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I was thinking he thought I had AT. Like wtf.

  • @WillPage
    @WillPage 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    A smart guy who really thinks about the possible ranges etc. This hand really demonstrates how important fundamentals are. Even if a game is playing 'big' for you, limping pre leaves you in these kinds of spots.

  • @DRDR3ADSA
    @DRDR3ADSA 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Calls with 66 for pot bet... I'd play with this guy all day lmao

  • @guava876
    @guava876 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    A terrible limp that just stacked the caller 😂

    • @Haanski
      @Haanski 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The caller played it even worse. Fold flop... also if for some reason I got to the river like that I may either check behind or bet fold, no way I am putting the rest of my stack in against the sb though. punt city

    • @onlyweatherlol93
      @onlyweatherlol93 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Both of them are spewtards

  • @ericstollery1
    @ericstollery1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    What the hell are people like this even doing playing 10/20 with such poor fundamentals? Does he have a money tree that funds his bankroll?

    • @ericstollery1
      @ericstollery1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Danny Edwardo The salary of which he enjoys lighting on fire at the high stakes poker table, apparently.

    • @dice1296
      @dice1296 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Eric Cuevas let's see...he said that someone has poor poker fundamentals, you called him a prick. so who's the bigger prick, and what are you doing on youtube?

    • @dice1296
      @dice1296 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Danny Edwardo he never even said that he plays poker for money, let alone professionally. don't be a shit

    • @t1234-q5z
      @t1234-q5z 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Danny Edwardo I mean bart looks like a kid so give him a break

    • @joshbrucks
      @joshbrucks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Danny Edwardo take a second to realize what channel you are watching you buffoon. This channels entire purpose is educating poker players and you are worried about people doing the same in the comments? Are you really that fucking stupid?

  • @SSky06
    @SSky06 4 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Secondary game theory:
    If you're going to call with a pocket pair on A35r to try to turn a set (which to begin with, set mining the turn is typically really bad, especially when your call does not close the action on the flop) 66 is literally the WORST pair to do it with. The reason? The only two serious draws on A35r are 64, which you double block, which means the other one, the 74 double gutter, is the most likely, which gets there if you somehow gin your set. If you feel the need to set your money on fire by set mining turns, at least do it with a pair that does not change the texture of the board when you hit it (like 88-JJ in this hand).
    Admittedly, I set mine the turn sometimes myself. Drilling the ol' 4.5%er on someone can be really profitable... But (and it's a big but) it basically requires ~5 ideal things to justifiably attempt to do: 1) My set card doesn't change the board texture or complete obvious draws, 2) the price is reasonable 3) the bettor seems pretty strong already or it's multiway, 4) the effective stacks are large so you can maximize profit when you get there, and 5) my call closes the action on the flop so I'm at least assured of seeing the turn.

    • @Niko-et4yz
      @Niko-et4yz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Stacks have to be REALLY large to profit set mining the turn. Your paying the bet 20 times before you hit so you effectively need absolutely ridiculous pot odds on the flop or 20x a reasonable bet you called just to maybe make a profit. (Sometimes you lose, sometimes you dont get paid off etc.) Set mining the turn is 99.9% always bad. Calling with middle pair is not if you suspect your pocket 8s to be good some of the time at showdown.

    • @AT-qm8gv
      @AT-qm8gv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was just thinking when I was watching this, "I'm only set-mining with eights and up" and then I saw your comment.

    • @tonyp5665
      @tonyp5665 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well put..

    • @switters8679
      @switters8679 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Niko-et4yz There are a few incorrect things in your comment there friendo. Not the least of which is straight up fucking Math. You last sentence is a straight up dumpster fire of bad information, if you can correct these few egregious errors, ultimately changing the very point of your post, then sure you might be able to make some sense in the future. As it stands right now, it seems your school system has failed you in multiple ways. But thanks for the entertaining try.

    • @johnmar6376
      @johnmar6376 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great work Sky

  • @Falkao92
    @Falkao92 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    That is just a reason for opening hands with a reasonable raise or fold them preflop. Getting hands in there like 2-4o from "very competent" players is just a debacle when hitting any value and having to fold to "never a bluff" raises on the river. This hand is a trashcan on fire.

    • @timb4248
      @timb4248 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      This very competent player totally almost lost a ton of value by not 3 betting turn also. I'm just putting EP on a set, and making him pay big time to draw to full house, and setting up a river shove.

    • @joshbrucks
      @joshbrucks 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@timb4248 he also almost lost a ton of value by petting pot on the flop. This had is so hilarious.

  • @davidelet3652
    @davidelet3652 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Well that was a Trainwreck... "The SB is a good player so I think he bets to get rid of other hands." That is some coherent reasoning to OVERcall with less than top pair. A beginner playing 5-10, the regs are licking their chops.
    Apparently live poker is very much alive at 5-10/20 level in Chicago...

    • @AT-qm8gv
      @AT-qm8gv 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Poker is very much alive at lower stakes too. PLO is where it's at mainly.

  • @ryanlisterman1864
    @ryanlisterman1864 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    The poker gods gave the caller 2 chances to save his 300bbs
    1. Don’t limp pre
    2. Fold flop
    The caller just had to punt though

    • @Haanski
      @Haanski 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      punters gonna punt

  • @Murph_.
    @Murph_. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Two mistakes... not open raising a straddle in HJ, and continuing with the hand with basically 2nd pair against what you perceive as a competent player who is WAY out of position. No reason to call the flop... When you limped in, that relegated you to set mining. You didn't hit the set, you didn't flop a draw... you're done with the hand.

  • @airtimepaintball463
    @airtimepaintball463 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One thing missing rom the commentary by Brad is that the caller should not be playing anywhere near 5-10-20. Given his theoretical understanding of very basic aspects of this hand I think he'd have trouble reliably beating 1/2 live over a decent sample (if there is any such thing). I mean, let's start with this very competent, thinking player in the SB who never makes mistakes limping the SB with 2x4x. I mean...whaaa?
    Move down and study.

  • @CribNotes
    @CribNotes 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    These people exist. They make +$500,000 a year and like to hit the casino. He's trying to learn poker, which is the most interesting game in the house, but he's not going to play $1-3 cause at his income level, there's no adrenaline rush when he wins. I remember an interview with pro Jennifer Harmon where they asked her why she plays in Bobby's Room against the world's best when she could drop down a few levels and clean up? She answered "You'd be surprised how often Bobby's Room is the softest game going that night."

  • @eltoroloco1936
    @eltoroloco1936 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Preflop, everyone limps. SB, who is a good player, bets pot...bruh, that has 2 pair or better all over it.

  • @ChromaticTempest
    @ChromaticTempest 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hoping for a six in that spot is, well, one way to lose over the long haul. No way playing that way pays off in hand after hand after hand. Either you can bully the crowd with equity, or you are bluffing, sir! And the SB might actually be a good player that knows the kind of nonsense he can pull at the table. 2/4o is funny tho. This is why we more often than not want to raise preflop. It helps us identify range.

  • @SilentSoundGuy
    @SilentSoundGuy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I got ads five times in this video.

  • @burkhartlaw1
    @burkhartlaw1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Amazing how many times a "lucky" turn after a questionable flop call costs me money.

  • @jasonhounsell3297
    @jasonhounsell3297 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When he said “Now I have a weird spot” on flop, my jaw dropped 😂 sometimes I listen to these to remind myself of the level of some players and why I shouldn’t try to hard to figure out what they are thinking 😂

  • @CribNotes
    @CribNotes 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Are the bigger cash games dying to the point where pros need to call in to Bart's show as a marketing ploy and pretend they play $5-10 and have no idea what they're doing?

  • @CribNotes
    @CribNotes 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Sounds to me like the best player at this table was in the big blind.

  • @greatwhite3676
    @greatwhite3676 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "figure out where I am in the hand" famous last words of many a bad poker player's chips. Even if you spike your 6 here one of main hands that crushes you gets there which is certainly in play in a multi way limped pot. More alarming is just the way he talks about the game and verbiage that he uses. He sounds like the nice old lady I see at the 75 dollar bingo hall tourneys on Wednesday night.

  • @tresaanto5713
    @tresaanto5713 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think hero's read on village is still right. Villain believe either of these guy is a fish and he can stack em. Look at the how villain just called on turn to hero's raise. Villain correctly deducted that hero is capped with a set but straddle can have a better straight since he completed PF action. Once straddle folds, villain knew he had the best hand almost always and extracted the max.

  • @eugenesis8188
    @eugenesis8188 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I know you're suppose to fold any offsuit connectors, but I've seen way too many hands where the fish are splashing around and I flop a straight and I question that wisdom. Just fold if the board pairs, or somebody represents a flush.
    Even if it only happens a couple percent of the time, I usually lose 1 bb to potentially win somebody's entire stack because they had a pair of aces, 2 pair, or a low straight.
    I mean, I still fold them unless I'm extremely bored, I just find I regret it a lot. It's just an automatic fold if I'm not on the button, then 30 seconds later, I'm asking God why he hates me.

  • @bryantaylor9874
    @bryantaylor9874 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man when someone says they bet to see where they are in the hand all the tiny muscles in Barts face start to twitch before they finish their sentence lol

  • @karlinchina
    @karlinchina 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I guess I could see the limp if a lot of players are playing around 100bb, which is 50bb effective with the limp. Kind of sucks when you open small pairs and a player with 1000 in front of them 3bets to 200.

    • @Haanski
      @Haanski 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yea i agree with that. I can totally get on board with the limp preflop for that exact reason. You just got to be ready to fold when a flop like that comes out

  • @jackscofield6299
    @jackscofield6299 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love Bart because he’s the best teacher no one knows about

    • @SB-xe3pj
      @SB-xe3pj 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I know about him

  • @lookaguru
    @lookaguru 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Call a pot sided bet 4-way with 66 on an ace rainbow flop, with a player behind. Hit the most perfect possible runout in the known universe. Still get stacked 😂. Why was that so satisfying ..?
    I mean you’re calling the flop with the worst possible pair, one that double blocks 6-4 and 6-5.

  • @hansari8697
    @hansari8697 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The mistake was before the flop. Just raise pre or fold. Really helps define ranges and allows you to win the pot on favorable boards. Limping is praying you cooler someone.

  • @kekskdjhflsdkfs
    @kekskdjhflsdkfs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is way too cringe I can't listen anymore

  • @stevenundisclosed6091
    @stevenundisclosed6091 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The hero in this hand is no hero of mine. Terrible play all around.

  • @johnatkinson7479
    @johnatkinson7479 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Limp calling out of position is the weakest play in poker...use it as a trap only with strong hands against weaker players

  • @MrDanDant
    @MrDanDant 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Personally, if I ever call the flop like that with 66 (and the only argument for it I see is, that when hit, my hand is practically irreadable), I would bomb the turn rightaway. I mean an overbet to like 1100 to 1400 prepared to call the jam even to overcall two jams. Arguments for this: 1) I've got the best hand I can ever have in the spot. Given the distribution, I kind of have to go for max value. 2) I've got equity even against the nuts. The only hand really crushing me (AA) which is quite improbable to occur. 3) I'm getting always called/raised by all 33 or 55, A3, A5 even A6 (which is like 80 % of SBs value range) sometimes I expect straddle (and once in a while even SB) to call me with like AsXs or some like 7s5s, 6c3c, etc (which he also kind of often has). 4) It looks fishy, it might induce some bluffs from creative players. 5) If called once or twice, it makes easier for me to check back the turn when I do not improve (because I'm in spot only better hands are calling me). Argument againts: It's extremely high variance play. Sometimes I walk into straight (or two straights) and lose.

  • @FuzzypupPoker
    @FuzzypupPoker ปีที่แล้ว

    In a certain type of game I have a limping strategy. But yea fold this 66 OTF.
    River...... if he is really, REALLY a good player yea I am calling. Because the hero should never have 33, 55, 66, 74s, 42s in this spot. A4ss, A2ss are 2 combos of a possible maybe 2 value combo of 42ss and 74ss Even so he should be reraising the turn.
    But he isn't if he has 24o and we should fold.
    I 100% need to move up in stakes.

  • @1warlock97
    @1warlock97 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank god for players who call because they "have a weird feeling they could spike a 6". The Horseshoe should be sponsored by Verizon for its unlimited calling plans. OMFG - 4/2o in the SB in a straddled pot???!!! Knowing that, this guy still refers to the SB as "competent and high level".

  • @1981lemberg
    @1981lemberg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yeah I'm actually not sure why he said Chicago because it's definitely not! it's in Indiana. It is the closest casino with a poker room that's true. The other casino Rivers casino does not have a poker room. And people prefer not to play in Elgin or Aurora or Juliet or any casinos in Illinois because the rake is so high. I actually prefer to go to potawatomi which is in Milwaukee

  • @kioplqwerty
    @kioplqwerty 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    With flop bet your odds aren't great even with 4x 85 in the pot. Only looking for a 4 or a 6, and a 4 won't possibly help, so the chance of hitting 6 24-1 ish, divided by two streets, I guess hard to calculate the miracle straight here, but runner, runner is about 1% ish?? Pass

  • @nalanwaters3365
    @nalanwaters3365 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's so scary that players this green are playing $5k pots. Like jesus christ. Who is even continuing with shitty 66 into 4 people? Let alone with an Ace on the board. wtf! Praying for a 6!? What? Just fold!

  • @leehjones
    @leehjones 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I haven't read the flames in the comments, but if I were the SB and led the flop for a PSB, you should be very worried about me having A5s, A3s, 55, 33, and not much else. Okay, press play.

  • @robert2375
    @robert2375 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this hand is played like ppl form a 2/4 limit game

  • @johnmar6376
    @johnmar6376 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hero made lots of rookie mistakes he needs to join the Bart training site. As always great video Bart, thank you

  • @peanut2143
    @peanut2143 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just wanted to contribute to these comments. Had some great laughs.
    On the river "I waited to call"
    I'm only knocking on this player because he does want to get better, the reason he called in.
    Apparently how he thought about poker in March 2020, on the river. Tanking=waiting. Not tanking=going through the hand in your head.

  • @hogi99
    @hogi99 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank the poker gods that this terrible play was not rewarded. The small blind might have made a very loose call but no where near what this fool did. 🙏

  • @jcg7672
    @jcg7672 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Everyone getting mad at the caller but guys like these pay pros’ mortgages

  • @MatthewKlineKader
    @MatthewKlineKader 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Stupid play for calling the bet on the flop so the poker gods didn't reward him.

  • @sp-gt1mq
    @sp-gt1mq 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    God bless this guy

  • @davidculhane4388
    @davidculhane4388 ปีที่แล้ว

    The logic of blaming mistakes on an earlier street for ending up in a bad spot and ultimately losing a big pot does not account for all of the times the runout is favorable and profitable. In theory, the mistake only costs you what you put in on the street on which you made the mistake.

  • @shivasirons6159
    @shivasirons6159 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    No offense to all you bracelet winners but what if the villain was bluffing? Aces up isn't impossible either. Granted the guy shouldn't have been past the flop.

  • @cerealmilk6877
    @cerealmilk6877 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this reminds me of that tom dwan hand when he had 2 5 offsuit and that japanese guy turned a set of 8s lol maannn tough luck. i wouldve called too. honestly i wouldve snapped it lol

  • @jacobcoker9227
    @jacobcoker9227 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He had two red sixes so on the flop he thought the 5 was a black 6.

  • @6bt_str86
    @6bt_str86 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So it ISNT just prevalent in lower stakes... 😲

  • @WillPage
    @WillPage 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Imagine being the dopey twat who limped with 24 off and you get this action and you get raised (or 3-bet apparently smh) on the turn.

  • @1981lemberg
    @1981lemberg 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Also this caller is a horrible player. You either race pree flop. You definitely fold the flop to a raise and a call unless you don't care about money and then you can just bluff and then fold LOL

  • @rez2576
    @rez2576 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm not saying you should limp Ace 9 UTG, definitely a bad play. But I disagree with Bart that you should fold on the flop to a pot size bet. I am calling one street and if he bets pot on the turn I would fold. A nine is actually a strong kicker for a limped pot since people should definitely be raising Ace 10 pre flop with a decent amount of dead money in there. Small blind could be a good player post flop but he's obviously a donkey pre flop. Saying this river is under bluffed is an understatement. It's almost never bluffed and only terrible players would check raise the river with a set of threes

    • @direct278
      @direct278 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pot sized bet into three players, a call, and a guy still left to act behind you? Yeah, I'm folding a weak ace with no back doors.

  • @scchicago5822
    @scchicago5822 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very good insight about limping strategy and how river situations are under bluffed

  • @ZeraLord
    @ZeraLord 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol. Competent player with 42o. That's a fish playing bingo, man...

  • @shawnwilson1514
    @shawnwilson1514 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's why people play unorthodox so you can't really put them on a hand and when it hits it's usually big!

  • @1981lemberg
    @1981lemberg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lollollollollollol that is exactly how I would play as the villain against somebody like the hero LOL 😂

  • @henriksenlaw
    @henriksenlaw 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The “competent” small blind lead for a nearly pot size bet with the nuts on a rainbow board seems a little odd to me.

  • @Jora7845
    @Jora7845 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    6.6 calling after the flop in multi pot lol hope to strike 6 lol XD he should not play on this stakes....

  • @LI-hp9ib
    @LI-hp9ib 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So a good player limps sb w 24o, flops the nuts and donks a psb? Hard to believe

  • @hellopeople909
    @hellopeople909 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I thought he over called on the flop as brt mentioned he had a tight range betting there

  • @genekboyer
    @genekboyer 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Half of crush live poker audience books plane tickets to Chicago

  • @andrewgrant2948
    @andrewgrant2948 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does anyone actually believe this guy was playing 5-10-20? My guess is that hes inflating a 1-3 game to get Barts attention...

    • @mikedisman2863
      @mikedisman2863 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nothing to say he doesn't have deep pockets and likes to gamble

    • @Owennerd
      @Owennerd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Gambling is relative to the amount of money you have. Would you play a $.05/$.10 cash game and care? Maybe this guy just doesn't want to gamble for less than a few thousand.

  • @AlienationIsReal
    @AlienationIsReal 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bart:
    I'm not sure i agree hes going to show up on the river with a better or worse hand that a set of 6s. People overvaluse their hands all the time - I'd call because theres enough of the time someone chk raises for value with a worse hand like A 10 or 5 5 . I dont think most of the time someone is bluffing with a 4 in their hand in lower stakes games but people do over value their hands enough to make this a call. YOu dont agree?

    • @Haanski
      @Haanski 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree that people over value their hands at these stakes all the time. But the way this hand went down, and the amount of people that were involved in it, add more combos of hands that will be left by the end that are nutted.
      And I feel like even weaker opponents aren't completely oblivious to the fact there were a lot of people that saw the flop as well, so maybe there are straights out there and a set of 5's isn't the nuts.
      I was surprised Bart thought the SB might even have a possibility of a bluff here, I knew it was 24 all day (expected suited but ya). You really think SB is going to check raise the river with a set of 5's there after already betting himself and calling a raise himself on the turn (with 3 ppl still in the hand!!!)
      No one is check-raise value betting anything but a straight on this river. At these stakes anyway with the way this hand went down.

    • @SSky06
      @SSky06 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would agree that at low and midstakes that its much more likely that this is either a complete airball bluff or an overvalued AT or 55 than it is something like 4x. Typical people in these games don't think about blockers or removal, that is just not something they're even remotely close to thinking about or understanding. That said, I still think this is very rarely an overvalued hand like AT or even 55. Most people just aren't super aggressive with non nutted hands on the river, especially when you look as strong as a turn c/r and betting the river and when they could just call your decent sized bet and showdown.
      The main problem this guy should be having is whether or not he thinks this guy is bad enough to have completed 42 or 74 in the SB in a 3 blind game. It's somewhat reasonable if he has 74s, but he shouldn't have 74o, 42o or 42s if he's even remotely competent, which evidently he isn't and the caller vastly overestimated him.

  • @rickkassner4555
    @rickkassner4555 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Disagree with the River raise, pots already bloated and you have showdown value.

    • @derrsonn
      @derrsonn 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He didn’t raise. He led and got jammed on

    • @rickkassner4555
      @rickkassner4555 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@derrsonnRiver bet*, regardless if you don't have the nuts why open the possibility of getting raised.

  • @multitablez
    @multitablez 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this is every online poker cash game lmfaooo

  • @gregjohnson6793
    @gregjohnson6793 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Total "overthinker" who doesn't know enough to think. If he spikes a six, the only hand that will build a pot are those that have him beat. Don't limp open, ever, and fold on the flop bet. All that hitting your six will do is win you a small pot or get you stacked.

    • @gregjohnson6793
      @gregjohnson6793 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      So, when a caller doesn't know what a 3 bet is, says he's "betting to find out where he's at" and starts off with open limping 66 - you really need to quickly get off his assessment as the SB as "competent"

    • @effortlessawareness8778
      @effortlessawareness8778 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Greg Johnson Jeezus you ripping the guy to shreds is not good for the game. Think about it... Why would you discourage these players they may stop playing come on now. We need to encourage more players and sympthasize with them be friendly to them and let them justify their actions These are MY primary customers $ they will put my kids thru college in the future they are our clientele.... Do you catch my drift? llol Just let it be... Even delete your originalcomment

    • @gregjohnson6793
      @gregjohnson6793 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@effortlessawareness8778 I would have NEVER said this to him live. It would have been "dang man, bad luck. Go get some more $$ and get that back!"

  • @onlyweatherlol93
    @onlyweatherlol93 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just pitch the 66 on the flop... save yourself a post spew phone call

  • @fevolenko3995
    @fevolenko3995 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Bart: "I dont think he has 24 or he shouldnt"
    Caller :"He had 24"
    Bart: "That doesn't surprise me"
    Come on dude..

    • @AT-qm8gv
      @AT-qm8gv 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      lmao I noticed that too

    • @ballerlarva4214
      @ballerlarva4214 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It's not as strange as you might think. The majority of players have a river check-raise bluff frequency of exactly zero. People take ridiculous lines and end up on the river with the nuts far, far more often than they check-raise all in as a bluff. I think what Bart is saying is that when villain takes this action on the river, it's just never surprising for him to turn over the nuts, no matter how nonsensical it is for him to have it given his action on previous streets.

    • @gregjohnson6793
      @gregjohnson6793 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      On the flop, given that the caller said the SB was "competent" Bart said "he shouldn't have 2-4". By the end of the call, Bart KNEW that 1) The caller is HORRIBLE and thus, his evaluation of 'competent' is horrible. Plus, the raise on the river? Yeah, he shouldn't have 2-4, but I wasn't surprised that he did either. It makes sense

    • @fevolenko3995
      @fevolenko3995 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, but when someone raises, you call, and they have something you already ruled out of their range, and you called because of it, saying im not surprised when they have it is a Mondays Expert statement. The correct statement is wow that's surprising..

    • @joshbrucks
      @joshbrucks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@gregjohnson6793 I mean as soon as he heard sb pot bet into 3 people he knew he wasn't competent. Then it turns out he flopped the nuts and bets pot? Lol how did he get so much action this call is hilarious.

  • @marlboro1771
    @marlboro1771 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Games not dead.

  • @TheSuperjunio
    @TheSuperjunio 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think SB could do that with 33’s or 55’s, if he’s discounting higher sets like 66’s and 10’s based on action, set of 5s is like nut no straight based on preflop action

  • @jack42011
    @jack42011 ปีที่แล้ว

    yeah, NEVER go broke on a limped pot...

  • @TheDjcarter1966
    @TheDjcarter1966 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    But this is exactly why you don't limp the flop.

  • @spoder22
    @spoder22 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    when he said 3bet that just made me cringe

  • @Dicepops
    @Dicepops 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Christian Soto?

  • @williamrogers7974
    @williamrogers7974 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    For non professional let me give you a profitable tip. 2-7 pairs, just call limp and 3x raises and if you miss flop(trips or up and down straight draw) just fold, you're just not that good to be strung along with hero calls

  • @jasonfullerton7763
    @jasonfullerton7763 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Caller open limps first to act, and calls the SB a good player after he limps behind 8n a 3 blind hand. If you NEVER limp preflop in those spots you are already playing better than both players in the hand. (I'll concede that as the stacks get deeper a case can be made for limping in some spots, but never limping is always 0EV and this guy limping is def -EV.)
    And OMG head asplode on the flop action.

  • @ebayer4life980
    @ebayer4life980 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This guy can’t be a winning player lol

  • @cryptobargains.5271
    @cryptobargains.5271 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nerve play limp pots.

  • @michellereyes.757
    @michellereyes.757 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great analysis! This thought happens to me often when I want to flat withe a mediocre hand, but I fold… then see a good for me flop that would’ve run out only to stack me ‘glad I didn’t see that flop’ 😂. Of course it happens when I call too … ‘I need to stop playing shit hands’… lay it down on the flop and then 🏃‍♀️ 🏃‍♀️ nuts 😂 . Bart, your videos help a ton… just got a few more leaks to plug. Like remembering my hands accurately so I can call them in 😅

  • @andrewgrant2948
    @andrewgrant2948 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3:02 “the button calls the $20, which I thought was a little odd”. Why? Wtf.

    • @quebecgkexellence9297
      @quebecgkexellence9297 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      button have absolute position, its odd cuz he normally should positional raise to steal the dead money and limping from the button is horrible.

    • @relight6931
      @relight6931 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@quebecgkexellence9297 I am pretty sure andrew knows that.. likely was a whole lot of limping in that game, his question is more likely amazement that "hero" found it odd.

  • @tonydefranceschi8489
    @tonydefranceschi8489 ปีที่แล้ว

    if u let the 24 into the pot dont pay him later