I was like “damn this is an allegory for gay” that ending with the grandma saying “some people will never accept them, they just need to know how to find the good ones” LIKE
I watched this with some church kids and I literally looked up at this point to see if anyone else got the reference. All the kids who realized this reference were looking at each other like, "This is very very gay"
The part where Luca gently tells his mom that ‘We’re always safe/careful’ hit me right in the gut as an Older Gay. The prevalence of parents assuming you’d die by HIV/AIDS was huge in the time when I came out.
Yes! Same for me, even though I came out in 2010. There was, and still is in some circles, that fear, even with the advances in medicine in the decades since.
One thing I really appreciated was the scene where Luca and Alberto get scared while talking to Giulia and grab onto each other. Instead of doing the "classic", played-for-laughs realization and jerk away from each other, they simply disentangle themselves without any awkwardness or even acknowledgement.
The rocking boat part had similar blushing awkward crush style expression. It really reminded me of how Lumity in The Owl House depicted the crush moments.
Honestly. Someone should make an edited version where Luca or Alberto is a girl, show half of a test audience the original and half the edited version and you'll see the biases
@@FirestarYT Exactly!! That would honestly be very interesting to see....as well as disheartening, as it would certainly reveal how biased so many people are. :'( I'll bet you anything, if there was an alternate version where Luca or Alberto was a girl, EVERY person in the audience would be going: "Aww! What a cute couple!🥰" But because it's two boys in the original version, they hate the idea of anyone shipping them or simply thinking they're cute together.🙄😢
@@FirestarYTI think that two studios should release the same short film. One with a male and female duo, one with a male and male duo. Make both of the characters very romantically attracted to eachother in both of the films, and show it to audiences because I guarantee people will assume that the wlm one is romantic, and the mlm one is platonic
Pixar can't convince me that it was purely accidental. Someone on the team of animators knew what they were doing. The "back off" glares that Alberto gives when he sees Giulia touching Luca's hand or them getting close. The scene where they bump into each other on the boat with Massimo and blush and make awkward faces looked like an Amity and Luz awkward moment. They framed the scenes where Alberto was jealous identically to a love triangle and then with the part where they saved each other during the race and that ending and the dramatic hand holding. I've never seen a dramatic chasing the train sequence done in a platonic way without it emulating romantic feelings. Not to mention the dream sequences kind of imply a closer bond Luca feels with Alberto cause he imagines himself and Alberto on the same vespa, where as he imagines he and his friend Giulia on separate flying machines.
When they're riding on the vespa--I might be reading too much into it but--Luca's hand is on Alberto's waist, which is usually seen as a romantic gesture.
Fun fact: In the Italian voiceover the actor for Luca is an Alberto, and the actor for Alberto is a Luca. While both Luca and Alberto are very common Italian names - so it could just be a really fun coincidence - it is also LITERALLY a case of "call me by your name". Lol.
I am aro/ace and I'm pretty dense when it comes to romantic subtext or gestures, but onces the two older women "came out" after Luca and Alberto were accepted, and the grandma gave the "some will never accept them, they just have to find good people" speech, I just knew. You really can't make it more obvious, even I caught it.
Same. I, myself, am idemromantic, which makes differentiating platonic and romantic relationships even more difficult for me. However, I cannot deny that a lot of the elements that Luca contains are so painfully romantic. And, sure, it is just as important to normalize intimacy between male, platonic friendships, but I think the lack of that is linked to homophobia. Men are not intimate with each other for fear of being labeled "gay," after all, so I think that if we want to normalize that, then we should deal with the root cause of it first. Apologies for rambling, haha. I just wanted to speak up about it because as much as I hate the fact that our society is so amatonormative, I still think accepting queer romance is part of the process of accepting queerness as a whole.
I’m a lesbian (demiaroace!) and caught it when the grandma was looking out for Luca, thats such a big gay trope + what she said in the end and the fucking train scene?? omg
You could actually think of this as another metaphor; being yourself to your supporting relationships, and hiding yourself for safety around others and the unknown I’ll be honest, in a good way, I think this movie is one big metaphor, and I think Pixar knew what they were doing
It drives me kind of crazy how so many of the people with internalized homophobia say, “can’t males just be friends anymore?” Or something to to that effect just because gay fans interpret it to be a crush (cause it is framed that way). It’s kind of insane that it makes them so angry for representation to be anything other than straight. Like they can’t see themselves enjoying something if it’s queer.
@@ceciliatoledo837 Even if they were platonic, it's like the idea of one of the Underdogs being LGBT+ is some kind of affront to keep them from enjoying the film. Despite the fact that they already say they enjoy it. What exactly would it change if one or more of them was gay?
@@ceciliatoledo837 literally tho! they always say that in pretty much every fandom and that fandom is mostly just male friendships that are just that. and people just want it to be that.
It’s also dumb because why assume that you can’t be friends with your crush. It’s not an exclusive thing. You can be best friends with the person you love.
@@MonyXChan yeah, exactly! i actually had a giant crush on my best friend when were were younger and that's all we were (we're both girls) and i feel like people forget that you can be friends or best friends with your crush
My initial reaction was like "if they took it this far, why can't they just make it explicitly gay?" but then I remembered this might be so important for children whose parents would send them to "the bottom of the ocean" if they show interest in an explicitly queer movie. So instead of "Hey can we watch Luca the gay movie?" it's "Hey can we watch Luca the sea monster movie?"
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Sameee I'm sad that our kids movies still have to be queer coded But I'm glad this one was. The fact that so many straights are denying the gayness in it just shows that their kids are watching the movie and getting the message
My take is because it also makes other identities relevant and relatable too. Why can't Luca be bi, pan, and/or ace but alloromantic? Putting it as one can make it a little less relatable for other identities. I as an aro ace nb was able to relate. Did I see Luca and Alberto as a romantic couple? No. Close friends exist too, watch sunsets, build things, etc. It's openness makes the end message more powerful. I as aro, ace, and nb can relate to it on all three levels that makes me not cishet.
@@twylenb “alloromantic”? 😂 why does having romantic attraction for people (the majority of people) need to be represented? It’s literally represented in majority of movies
To be clear, it was not confirmed by the director themselves, but a storyboard picture did posit Alberto and Luca doing romantic stuff so it may as well be confirmed gay but is toned down.
Enrico Casarosa, the director of Disney and Pixar's 2021 animated film Luca, has said that while there were discussions about making the film's two lead characters, Luca and Alberto, gay, he ultimately decided to focus on their friendship and pre-romance. Casarosa has also said that the film is not a queer story, but rather "platonic" and "pre-pubescent". However, some fans have interpreted Luca and Alberto's relationship as queer-coded, and the story has been seen as an allegory for queer youth google ai
here's a tip: if my 6-year-old sister said she wanted Luca and Alberto to get married, you can acknowledge its gay too edit: there must be so many gay people in these comments because i somehow got a ton of likes
I recently showed this movie to my older brother, partially due to how beautiful it is visually (he works in 3d animation and absolutely loses his mind over good visuals, and he was gushing over the lighting and colors within the first minute) but I was also curious how long it would take him to pick up on the gay subtext without me telling him or hinting that it was there. My older brother is straight and cis (as opposed to me who is bi and trans). He's super supportive of me in my queerness and is a great ally but doesn't usually pick up on these types of things unless they're outright confirmed and explicit (i.e. a kiss, a date, etc) But once that scene where they're riding the vespa through the field of flowers comes on, he kinda pauses and goes, "... this movie is kinda gay, isn't it?"
Wanna mention this because it could be something he picked up on as well, other than how close their "totally just a friendship" is, there's a thing called film language which is based on the lighting, the tone, the music, certain poses and tropes, which all combine to tell you stuff implicitly and I'm sure he was influenced by that, especially working in animation. Which is important because it means the film language completely contradicts the producer saying this movie isn't gay, they put in the subtext.
"they're kids" yeah but if one of them was a girl everyone would ship them ._. And what if they're kids? You didn't had a crush when you were in elementary school or something
One thing I like to do in scenarios of ambiguous gayness is what I call the “what if it were straight” test. Gender swap one of the characters and read it again. Is it romantic now? If yes, then it was romantic all along. And that train scene. Is not platonic.
None of you have experienced the drama right before every summer break period when kids realize they won't see their best friend for a whole couple of weeks due to vacation.
and the fact that the posters they show for the vespa shows a guy riding it and a girl holding onto him romantically while Alberto and Luca talk about wanting to buy one together . someone on the animation team knew what they were doing putting the poster there as a way of showing them being different than what humans are used to
I always thought the Roman Holiday poster was there to sort of put an implied year on the story (With Roman Holiday and 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea posters implying that Luca takes place around 1954 when both films would have first been shown in theaters). I never thought about the poster reflecting that in Luca the poster was meant to show how the characters of Roman Holiday reflect Luca/Alberto also riding the Vespa together. That’s a neat interpretation.
Ppl could argue “ohh ur reaching” but the co-creator of the movie literally drew (FANART, THEY MADE IT CLEAR IT WAS FANART BUT STILL) Luca and Alberto kissing.
Plenty of gayness. But just as a bait, and these people swallowed the bait hard, and are now trying to convince everyone else "no, the fake fish i ate IS real!"
@@enigmachinasclass8153 “fictional children being romanticized” LMAO. That’s not even what romanticizing something means, first of all. And secondly, you probably mean that people are specializing children if they’re interpreted to be two boys crushing on each other. Which really begs the question, why do you think gay relationships are inherently more sexual? Disney movies and most cartoons for kids have straight romance in them, or at least crushes. Why’s it any different if it’s gay? Coming off a bit homophobic there my dude.
@@RenaissanceRockerBoy That is always the first assumption you people make. You must not like adults incessantly shipping child characters because you're homophobic. I assure you, that isn't the case. It's one thing for writers to include a childhood crush, it's another for fans of that medium to push attraction on two minors who are confirmed to have a platonic relationship. End of.
This made me realize that the only time people get angry over a childhood crush story is when the two kids in question are of the same sex. They don't care if Timmy and Rebecca are blushing at each other and exchanging love letters. But if Timmy so much as looks at John, suddenly there is an issue with the characters being "too young to have crushes and understand relationships". Really says a lot about society and it's double standards, eh?
Literally. I mean everyone has an issue with Luca and Alberto but no one had an issue with Carl and Ellie in up? Both pairs are cute and the double standard is annoying
@@Stairhater101 as a fellow queer teen, gay kids will be gay kids. I had crushes on girls and boys as a little kid, that didn't confuse me at all. What was confusing, was how the only representation I ever got was of girls and boys, and no representation for people like me. Watching movies or reading books with gay characters didn't "expose" me to confusion, it was reassuring, as for once, I could see myself in a positive story with people I could relate to. All kids need representation.
as if it needed to be further explained, pixar cared to use città vuota as the credits song. look up for its translation, it's basically about a person who's sad because their lover is away from them.
No they fucking wouldn't because most, normal functioning adults don't like to look at children and push sexual agendas and romantic views. It's disgusting
Eh, I'd be fine with them just being kids. I don't ship children. Now, maybe when they are adults...riding off on their Vespa together. That'd be fine. It has very little to do with them being little boys or little girls or anything like that. They are children...so I don't want to see them being anything but kids.
to everyone saying that “you can’t call them gay because they’re kids! stop sexualising them!” you need to understand that queerness is not inherently sexual. if you think it is, then you need to take a look at yourself and think about whether it is YOU who is sexualising queer people. (and if so, that’s not acceptable and you need to work to change that)
I only watched luca like half a week ago, and after months of seeing people online talking about how gay it is, I fully expected it to be like, oh it's probably a movie featuring a close male friendship and people are reading romance into it, like 90% of the time tumblr latches onto an m/m ship but i watched it and NOPE, NAH, IT'S 100% GAY FROM LIKE 4 DIFFERENT ANGLES
@ “We were really focusing on friendship so pre-romance” Which is a quote from the director basically saying that it is the beginning of the relationship which would lead to something in the future. Really dude, 30 seconds of research. It was confirmed.
The fact that both the actors of the main characters said they’d be up for a sequel where the boys are a little older and in a romantic relationship gives me hope for the future
@@barracuda0405 just because a child has a crush on another child it doesn’t mean it’s inherently sexual, young teenagers are in romantic relationships all of the time.
@@charliesweb7071 "homophobic rhetoric to demonize gay people" lmao calm down it's not! You know once a character gets labled as [insert sexuality] they get sexualized. Just how the interbet works. Instead let them be childs ffs
as a Mediterranean european: no, it's still gay and the thing that frustrates me is that, if Alberto and Luca were real people, the same people denying their queerness would all turn to ASSUME they were in a relationship (and be bigoted accordingly), because it's just blatantly obvious the nurture the boys feel for eachother, and that kind of expression is very much frowned upon, specially in small towns like Porto Rosso.
interesting, just on a plot and behavior level I didn't see anything obviously gay about their relationship. It was just friendship. I had plenty of such friendship in my childhood and I cried when I had to go away after the summer or when a friend moves away, and there was no gayness about it (at least from my side). I am just saying, this is not obvious. I get the meta-narrative level and metaphors, but the film portrayed it on relationship/plot level in such a way that they could be gay or nor, it really does not matter, not the point, because point is friendship.
@@Rendref did u have fantasy of running away with ur same gender best friend and living by urself forever and then get jealous if they make a opposite gender friend !? (no offense lmao)
@@coltonwolf3462 honest answer, no. At least last time I checked, lol. Also, I wonder where is my answer to another comment, it was so lengthy... I guess I'll have to answer again.
@@Rendref well that’s the thing, for you, you wouldn’t see the signs that people of the LGBTQ+ community would see. and that’s okay! its just not something you can immediately see if you’ve never lived through those experiences. Luca resonates with me so much as growing up queer, i didnt realize i had crushes on some of the boys i hung out with. i later realized, when i got older, that i in fact was in love with them (i also somewhat knew during that time, but i was repressing my feelings because i didnt exactly know i was gay yet). its also the characters themselves that SCREAM queer children because of their experiences, as i literally have lived that life. its not that you’re mistaken either, because it does revolve around friendship, but it also isn’t just about that, as subtext and coding of the characters is so apparent to us of the lgbtq+ community.
You forgot the gayest scene of them all!!! After Luca and Albert sleep in the treehouse the first time, it's been raining so they've both transformed back. Luca wakes up first, looks at Alberto lovingly, and then panics because he realizes they transformed, I mean, he realizes that it looks really gay that they've been sleeping together and cuddling all night, so he desperately wakes Alberto so that they together can erase all signs of seamonster-ness, I mean, gayness from themselves before they go have breakfast with Julia and her dad.
He didn’t panic because it looked g@y. He panicked because they transformed into sea monsters and if anyone saw them, THEY WOULD BE KILLED. And who said they were cuddling? And didn’t the girl tell them to sleep there? And wasn’t the dad obsessed with killing trying to kill a sea monster?
what i hate is how ppl say that saying two guys/girls are gay is sexualizing kids when they ship a guy and a girl together who have never even met or they barely talk
If Luca is literally a gay slow-burn, friends-to-lover's, coming-out-in-a-homophobic-enviroment fanfic brought to life by Pixar. Nothing can change my mind.
Hi I'm Italian go listen to Raffaella Carrà's song "Luca" it's in Italian but it's literally a girl saying that she loved this boy a lot but then one day she saw him with another blonde haired boy and since that day she never saw him again The singer Raffaella Carrà is very popular here in Italy she died recently she will always be remembered as a strong supporter of the LGBT community
also let's not forget the song that plays during the credits is literally a love song about missing your lover, always thinking of them and the city feeling empty without them 👀🏳️🌈
Enrico Casarosa, the director of Disney and Pixar's 2021 animated film Luca, has said that while there were discussions about making the film's two lead characters, Luca and Alberto, gay, he ultimately decided to focus on their friendship and pre-romance. Casarosa has also said that the film is not a queer story, but rather "platonic" and "pre-pubescent". However, some fans have interpreted Luca and Alberto's relationship as queer-coded, and the story has been seen as an allegory for queer youth google ai
I used to be on the fence about calling this movie gay because we also need to normalize close male friendships without them being called gay for it in order to take down toxic masculinity and all, but then I realized that if gay weren't still seen as a bad thing then it wouldn't be used as an insult/they wouldn't feel afraid of being called it. And the only way to do that is to normalize being gay! So gay it up! The movie's gay! The fish be gay! Gay gay homosexual gay
yeah I totally agree with you, but I think it's also disheartening that creators are taking things that are so painfully obviously intrinsic to to the queer experience and then denying that any queerness was ever there in the first place, as seen in luca and all the subtext it has. James Somerton has a great video essay on Luca where he talks about this much more eloquently than I ever could, you should give it a watch!
Be they straight or gay, these two guys love each other. They have 4 displays of selfless love in a row. Luca decides to win the race to prove to Alberto that he (Alberto) has someone he can depend on, Alberto risks his safety to make sure Luca isn't outed as a seamonster (knowing how Luca's dream is to fit in with humans and learn), Luca outs himself and saves Alberto when Alberto is in the net, and Alberto gives up the vespa to show how much Luca's happiness means to him even if they're apart during the school year. Personally, I think that these two being so selfless and loving to each other makes me like the headcanon that they become a couple in the future.
I literally watched a lecture from the Pixar crew that worked on Luca and they basically did a disclaimer that it's gay but they can't say it's gay. They said that you can interpret it however you want to and project your own identity into it and then they kept like winking during the Zoom call. It was hilarious.
@@kerensahardesty9851 No, Disney blocked recordings from it, and as someone who works for them and wants to progress further within the company, I respected their wishes.
28:30 A bunch of the townspeople "coming out" as sea monsters also works very well with real life. Gay people aren't always just some outsiders that showed up one day; gay people can be your relatives, your teachers, your friends. You never realize how not alone you are in your queerness until you look around for other people who look/act/feel the same as you. And if there is no one like that around, sometimes you have to act as that beacon of familiarity and hope, and you will find that people will join you.
Why do you have to link any character revealing their identity to sexuality? They literally revealed their race and the first thing you think of is "wow, look just like queer"
@@bandarsalh1338 I don't mean this in a rude way, but did you watch the video? 6:22 - 10:10 highlights the main aspects of the "sea monster" = queer metaphor. 26:51 - 29:13 have some great examples shown with clips of the movie. I saw that you left another comment on this video saying "Didn't the director deny this?" and 31:35 - 33:36 discusses exactly that. If you're actually curious, I can provide my own thoughts about the metaphor and link to people who are better versed in queer theory than I am.
@@scaleonkhan183 tbh i didn't watch the full video, i just wanted to see the comments (Most of them are supportive and respectful) I'm really going to take the directors words for it, as the producers are the ones who decide such things Forcing my own interpretation of the character as if it was a fact really feels wrong to me
It's actually the perfect gay metaphor. The representation it's clearly there even if it's not explicitly said. There isn't a need for labels because they're still kids, but definitely queer kids. It's like the animated G rated version of Call me by your name.
Last year I went to a speaker session from a leader of Disney’s LGBTQ Employee Resource group. Question: when are we getting an animated movie with a gay lead? Answer: It’s tough to get permission to say it outright, but trust me, we’re working on it! I’m convinced this is the result and many actual queer people at the lower working levels of Disney/Pixar worked to make this as gay as possible.
Nope we won't see anything actually from start to finish before they suddenly don't care what the beloved CCP think. Otherwise its going to be vague and easily editable.
@@uhuh9859 to be more specific (and also im hyperfixated on luca so talking abt anything that has to do with it makes me happy so yea) Mckenna harris, story lead on luca and director of ciao alberto have posted in their instagram story some « unsanctioned fanarts » of luberto to celebrate its release on the big screen this spring, so technically it isn’t canon cause it isn’t in the movie itself but a win is a win jendidndisk so everyone freaked out cause well those fanarts came from someone important in the creation of the movie and the « sequel » and also because well disney needs to sell so having queer main characters would ruin them and make the movie flop so having these fanarts made by kenna is the closest to canon we’ll ever get so just for fun and to celebrate some good and interesting queer rep lets say its semi-canon eidjisndlsn (also they kinda implied there will be more to come AND I JUST NEED MORE LUCA IN MY LIFE SO IF YOU SEE THIS KENNA PLEASE FEED US /hj)
I'm really surprised that he didn't mention Luca's uncle. See, biologically in nature, female anglerfish are the big ones with the sharp teeth and the glowy thing on top of their heads. Male anglerfish are much much smaller and are basically parasitic tadpoles. So yeah, Uncle Ugo is indeed a trans man.
@@lilacramen7483 yeah and clown fish switch genders when their mate dies, but nobody's reaching hard and saying marlin is trans male huh Imagine applying real world facts to fictional kids movies, please touch grass 💀
I showed this movie to my 19 year old cishet brother, and we’re like 20 minutes into the movie as he turns to me and says: “Soo, this is gay, right?” I am literally bi, but didn’t truly catch the metaphor until the grandma line near the end. So yeah. Absolutely gay. The director has even said on Twitter that he doesn’t mind if people view it as such.
exactly, before I watched Luca I thought "ok so they probably have an undefined friendship that could come across as a romantic relationship in a certain context" but the entire time I was actually watching the movie I was thinking "wow how could people think this was JUST a friendship." (emphasis on the just because Luca and Alberto are still friends but not just friends.)
@@bigboi4488 the director and team also would get in trouble when saying its gay. They did actually anot recorded interaction where they were pretty open and did it with a "wink wink" . You realize him saying, despite disney you can view it as gay is saying it is. Disney is that i sidioud punishing people for public statements, he has to be vagie if he wants to say dep its gay or he gets in trouble. Which he did. Why you can view it is a confirmation, withadded deniability to protect the director
@@V-Star780 that litterally proves the fact that the movie could have been gay but isn't since it didnt make its way to the actual movie and is just released as some fan-art 💀
@@lizzy532 unfortunately, he said it in a tweet that I spent an hour trying to find but I can't for the life of me and I am not going to look at every post he made- But some highlights I remember is that he is glad that LGBTQ+ plus people are taking refuge in Luca and that despite being a straight man that uses he/him pronouns he fully supports the LGBTQ+ community.
I don’t believe so, I’ve had friendships very much like this as a young boy, but I wasn’t thinking I was gay. They were just boys I grew up with and had a deep bond with. Some of them I still feel are my family and brothers. I would give my life for them. But as much as I love them dear to my heart, I don’t romantically love them. But I do love them. Western culture has unfortunately made it so any semblance of male bonding is quickly associated with gayness, and I’m glad people feel so good with this movie being a “gay” film. But like the director. We really just have male friends who we love deeply & we aren’t scared of male bonding.
@@DowntownLAKid the problem of western culture is wider, it spreads the idea that love = romance. In the same way that any female interacting with the hero's story becomes a romantic interest, or that romance is "more than friendship". Nope, not more, just different. Platonic relationships can be just as strong and even stronger.
I really like how Luca's mother doesn't end up being a bad guy. Unlike a lot of homophobic parents, she does end up understanding that even if she thinks humans are scum of the Earth (I mean she's not wrong), she lets Luca adventure out and go to school because she loves him. It gives me hope that there are parents out there with the ability to change.
@@enigmachinasclass8153 wrong opinion eh? Then why would everyone agree, also, I know this opinion is wrong, but it's just something I like to think about. And unfunny joke? Really? Then let's ignore everybody in the comments who think it's a funny joke
His daydreams about going on flying machines with Giulia has them on separate ones rather than sharing one like he envisioned with the Vespa and Alberto.
Even without it being an allegory, the main characters are literally mlm. I mean like how the main characters of Ponyo like each other even if they don’t like, kiss.
When I first watched Luca I didn’t see their relationship as gay. I thought, “Oh, when I was younger I would get jealous whenever my best friend got a new friend.” I just accepted I’m a lesbian a few weeks ago and realize that neither thing was straight.
@@ilovedambooks2239 because the human brain generally matures around age 21, and this channel and channels like it generally have a younger demographic. In short, to prove a point. At some point in like few years or so, you might find yourself looking back on this and cringing.
@@drsamuelhaydensecretgaming6749 I mean, I'm 29 and I have the same perception of my jealousy over my best friend getting a new friend. Nothing to do with brain development and everything to do with being a lesbian and recognizing how it manifested before I knew what words to put to it. The prefrontal cortex develops around age 25, by the way, not 21.
AU where Alberto and Luca manage to hide they are sea monsters for a few years longer. they want to come out to their friends, and then when they go to do it they're like "I have something to tell you, I want you to remember I'm still me and I hope this doesn't change they way you see us-" and then their friends are like "we know" and they're like "oh thank god, we were so worried you'd hate us for being sea monsters" "of course we knew you were ga- wait sea monsters?!"
Would love to see you discuss the relationship between Luz and Amity from The Owl House next, in relation to the conversation of Disney and Queer. One of the most groundbreaking and well done explicitly confirmed representations in the medium, and yet it's in a Disney show, whom the show creator Dana Terrace has openly said she fought them at every corner for.
*Heterosexual agenda:* Of course the movie is just about 2 straight friends! The director based it on the childhood adventures he had with his best friend in Italy! *Me:* So what you're saying is that the director had an childhood crush on his best friend that went unacknowledged until now? Wow, how brave of her to portray her innermost repressed feelings in front of the whole world. Sad that Disney made her take it back and hide it. Edit: People, this is a joke. I do not actually believe this. Calm down.
Fun fact stepen kings characters reggie and eddie i think were based on some of his real friends when the readers mentioned how gay they are he realized his friends were gay.
If someone says they are straight or not gay just because Casarosa said it, you simply reply: "They are not gay, but not straight either. Never said directly that Alberto and Luca are straight. Casarosa just said that the film is not a romance in general. He was referring only to the content of the film, not to the identity of Alberto and Luca. Casarosa has made it clear that they are just friends FOR NOW, before "boyfriends and girlfriends become a complicated thing ". These are her last sentences. In the sense that they have yet to discover love later. The fact that they are friends doesn't mean they can't become a couple someday, when they get older. You know, some friendships can be eternally platonic, others can break up and form new friends but some others can unexpectedly turn into love. But if someone replies again "But Luca and Alberto are inspired by the Director and his old childhood best friend who are both straight, so the two characters must be straight too!", I simply reply that Luca and Alberto they are just a metaphorical inspiration and not an autobiographical book, as they are just fictional characters. The fact that Luca and Alberto are inspired by Casarosa and her friend does not necessarily mean that they are identical in everything to them. We need to understand the big difference between reality and fiction. For example, I am a writer and comic artist by passion and I have happened to create some characters inspired by me for personality, character or physical appearance ... but they are not identical to me. Because? Because they are not an autobiographical version of my real life as they are just fictional characters, so I can modify them to my liking. For example, while in real life I have healthy legs, I instead created a character similar to me in personality but currently disabled in a wheelchair. It's just a metaphorical inspiration, nothing more. It doesn't have to be all the same to me. She is just a fictional character. And so are Luca and Alberto, who are both sea monsters. That's called fiction, and in fiction you can always play a different role than in real life. You know some gay and straight actors? There are some straight actors who have played gay roles in the past. And vice versa, that is, some gay actors who have played some straight roles. That's fiction, that's acting. If you create a character similar to you, you can make him Mexican while in reality you are Italian. Or you can make it deaf, while you are actually hearing. Or make it, why not, gay or trans while you are actually straight cis. And what about the famous fairy tale The Little Mermaid? Did you know that the original was made by a gay writer? This original fable is clearly metaphorically inspired by an unrequited love of the writer with another man, where it recounts the fact that Ariel becomes mute and dies torn apart by the pain of being rejected by the prince who was married to another woman. Although writer Andersen is gay and unrequited in love with another man, he has included Ariel and the prince as a straight couple. But despite this, they always represent as an example of a "different" love in that they are a mermaid and a human being, and also as an example of the fear of letting their feelings out just because of being a person different from others. As you can see, this fable is just a metaphorical inspiration from Andersen's unfortunate love life.
See this is utter disrespect to the director. Just because this film has a lot of hint doesn't mean he had a thing for his own Alberto. Smh. Quit head canoning real life people. Erico is what he says he is. I say this as someone who loved Luca and ships Lucberto.
“They can’t be gay!! They’re children, stop sexualizing them!!” BEING GAY ISNT INHERENTLY SEXUAL. We have crushes as kids, we get butterflies when talking to people we like, we hold hands, etc etc. Just admit you’re homophobic and move on.
@@Deepseadread6 yes, and during one of the time travel episodes it was a a child wendy(which means she was younger then 13) had a puppy dog crush on dipper(which showed how awkward the whole thing was)
It’s SO GAY it’s amazing. One of the writers confirmed a while after it was released that they debated making it a romance, and since released sketches of older them having their first kiss etc. so I guess we’re not getting a sequel.
I remember actually laughing out loud at some parts like "How much more obvious can they be???" It was like watching your very straight friend get affectionately hit on and flattered by a gay person, and then your friend not realizing at all until you tell them afterwards. Come on, Disney-Pixar. We know you're not _that_ oblivious.
Luca litteraly said "They wanted to take me away from everything I love" in relation to going away from Alberto and people s t i l l think they're not gay
@@hayathoney1371 They posted art of the two kissing, cuddling, etc. They also said that originally at the end of the movie they would’ve kissed after a scene showing them reuniting for 4 summers.
I think it's funny how some people are so persistent that Luca isn't gay simply because straight is the default. There is absolutely nothing in this film that implies that Luca or Alberto are straight. But since straight is the default, they MUST be. Even if the director said that they weren't intended to be gay, I don't think that means that they can't be. Lots of people are assumed to be straight before they realize they're gay or queer, but that doesn't mean they were once straight.
These people: *uses one sentence and evidence over and over again to prove a point* This dude: *creates a 36 MINUTE long video explaining thoroughly, looking through every counter claim, and provides multiple clear evidences and more*
fun fact: Enrico has liked a lot of fanarts on twitter that have Luca and Alberto explicitly as a couple, and conveniently a lot of this likes have dissapeared, I´m not going to say anyithing more
@@frostbite5656 i don't really know, if we want to make it look dark it's probably because Disney prefer not to do lgbtq+ related characters/movies because they don't want to lose their Russian and Chinese audiences, and well, Disney loves money so... Something simmilar happened with Gravity Falls, the creator said that he wanted some characters to be lgbtq+ but Disney didn't allow him...
lol refusing so see obios and nitpicking to paint their own picture (refusing to egnolage even if they know deep down is true that is move about summertime friendship
@@jacksquatt6082 it isn't the same thing though. luca's mom wants to send luca away to make him not want to be on the human land and essentially make him change his mindset. that is literally conversion therapy. parents send their kids to military/private school because they dont want to be parents, wheras parents who send their kids to conversion therapy think they are genuinely helping their kid
I'm italian, and the use of citta vuota by Mina is such a glaring proof, and as a 20 years old gay italian this movie legit made me cry, ot was a piece by piece representation of my childhood
the fact that monsters have been an allegory for lgbtq people for years? the fact that they turn colorful when they turn into fish?? the fact that the other two sea monsters that were in the town were both old ladies??? the fact you can get the movie on dvd with the letters in rainbow??? the fact that it was released during pride month????? 🏳️🌈
Yeah, I watched this movie with my homophobic parents so most of the time I tried to not focus so hard on the queerness of it because It felt a bit like watching sex scenes with them (sadly), but by the last parts with grandma's advice and the romantic goodbye, I was just like C'MON. THERE'S NO OVERLOOKING THIS, RIGHT? also my little sister, who's kinda in the closet, told me "crying in gay" at the end, out of my parents' earshot. I do get what some people say about the importance of portraying healthy platonic relationships and all, but I still think this movie was meant to be a queer one. We're not exactly in abundance of healthy, cute, comforting representation of the queer experience either, after all
I mean Luca and Gulia being platonic was really important because guy-girl friendships are perpetuated as romantic... as a girl I've been shipped with almost every single guy friend I have even though I'm omni with a pref for girls/nb
@@stupidme800 true, at least they were consistent on the idea of focusing on friendships both with boys and boys and boys and girls. The straights sometimes do seem to need a reminder that you can be friends with the gender you're attracted to
It wasn't. The creator said so himself. He said that it isn't an lgbtq oriented film. It could be interpreted as such but it isn't. It's as u said about the platonic relationship of the two boys
@@chickensadist7554 yeah i couldn't care less about he said. Most gay icons didn't intend to be so, as expectators we have power over what we take from a piece of art and as You can see from the amount of likes and comments on this vídeo, the lgbtq+ community has talked and said it is a queer movie
@@distorityedan3081 but it doesn't matter what anyone else says even if the half the world said the movie was lgbtq it doesn't matter. The only credible word is the creator/creators. The movie is about 2 boys who become platonic friends and discover that they are different from the rest. There is no romance in the movie nor should there be taking into account that the movie is about elementary children.
Hey, its almost 3 years later and they're officially queer, a person from the crew posted(at least i think) drawings of them 😮😮😮!! kissing!!! And being just gay folks. So yeah we were all right, they're gay 😁 woohoo we won
I remember hearing that they did want to make Giulia gay, but apparently couldn't figure out how to do it without giving her a love interest and they didn't want there to be any romance in it. Which is absolutely wild since there's so many ways you can signal that a character isn't straight.
@@angelcloudcosplay4141 yea it’s not that hard is it? I mean in the Mitchell’s vs the machines (also very good movie) the main character Katie is supposedly gay or lgbtq as we see hints around her room (like a post saying ‘Sarah will you go to prom with me?’ Or smth like taht and a pride pin, like there are subtle ways of doing it
@@tarathoughts13 yea (I love that movie) there are a lot of ways to do it being subtle like you said how they did it in the TMVTM movie they could’ve added like a rainbow thing on her book or like idk something Lmao-
@@angelcloudcosplay4141 they but I get why they didn’t due to censorship or whatever - plus I actually liked it, idk they treated her being gay so normally
As an autistic Aro/Ace woman the trailers for Luca spoke to my experience growing up closeted, without the language for what I was dealing with or anyone that I felt safe talking to. I just wish that Disney would fully acknowledge Luca as being a queer movie, not only because a movie like this will have given me the tools and confidence to start exploring my identity sooner, but I know that Luca has definitely reached a lot of LGBTQA+ people who have also needed to see themselves in a positive light and also in a way that clearly speaks to them. As for me I am planning to buy the DVD and watch the movie again.
I think(im not sure) the reason why they didn't market it as an LGBTQ film is because it will be banned in a number of countries and because this is a children's movie parents would not let their kids watch this,,,,the movie would not be as succesful if labeled as just a normal pixar film about seamonsters:>
found family is the gayest trope hands down. I love when media has a found family trope and then the creators are surprised when the fanbase becomes overwhelmingly LGBTQ+
@@Berries20 the name of the trope is called found family, It's basically "your blood family rejects you or abandons you in some way so you create your own family" look it up babe.
@@rainpuppies Nah, i know what found family is, but isn't family itself (whether blood related or not) is supposed to be platonic? Luca is not platonic
@@Berries20 I don’t understand your train of thought… found family are not related they’re basically a group of friends so there can be romantic interactions in the general trope
@@Berries20 two people in a romantic relationship can form a family imo. And in that case the family isn’t just about Luca and Alberto, as it also involves Giulia and possibly Giulia’s father
Ok but think about it, if Alberto was a girl, there would be no doubt about it that people would say they were in love. But since he’s a guy they’re “just friends”. Obviously two guys show platonic affection, BUT EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS MOVIE IS A METAPHOR please how can do many people deny it 😭
Every Pixar fan would compare it to Ellie and Carl from Up. The comparisons are there already. The timid, soft-spoken boy and the boisterous, free-spirited adventuring one. It’s a lot like Luca and Alberto.
To everyone saying in these comments that thinking luca is gay is an "american" thing : I'm very much european, thanks, queer people in Europe also exist (shocking right ? I know/s) and i cried so much during this movie, because I could relate to a lot of things luca had to deal with (i am not a see monster though). Having to hide who you really are, people saying you're a monster or a disgusting thing, is something we, as a whole community, face regularly. The truth is, no one is forcing you to like this interpretation, but if you could just once consider it as an interesting point of view on this movie instead of showing all your lovely homophobia and shallow mind by commenting that "it's not gay cause the creator said it", life would be better for everyone. And I DO NOT CARE what the creator said. I, as a person, am FREE to INTERPRET this movie in the way I want, so are other queer people, so are people who believe this movie is an allegory for lgbtq+ people. Live and let live, damn.
I broke my heart when I heard my dad say "it's that damn school" after he found out that my sister is pan... That, no way she was pan, it had to be the school that made her THINK that! It generally broke my heart... It broke my heart even more that he was to much of a coward to say it to her, or anyones face... I still hate that I heard those words... I wish I could go back, and never hear him say those words... I won't ever tell him the full truth of who I am because he said those words... He won't ever know I'm not his daughter, but merly his child, because I'm non-binary, he will never get to know the true me... I put up a wall and say It doesn't bother me none, but It does, it dose bother me! It makes me cry sometimes... He'd never understand why I want to change my name, or go by different pronouns... And I don't ever plan on explaining it to him...
I watched Luca with my boyfriend (we're both males) and didn't tell anything about the queerness of the movie and at one point he said "Hey Alberto obviously has a crush on Luca and he's jealous of Luca's relationship with Giulia" I was like YESS!! He got it!
As a gay italian guy with curly hair who grew up by the sea,
I see my first gay relationship in this film to an uncomfortable degree
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@@jikij2626 Agreed dropping one here, let's get this mad lad past the 1K mark.
you also turn into a sea monster?
Omg, you’re Luca.
@@lolanicolau251 no, but I wanted to turn into a mermaid to marry prince Eric
I like how you call the bully the Italian guy when this is literally set in Italy and they are all Italian
Hes the Supreme
He’s Italian^2
He is the Über Italian
he’s final boss italian
ma’am, are YOU italian?
“are they gay or european? both, actually” LMFAO
*ahem* THERE RIGHT THERE-
ArE tHeY gAy Or EuRoPeAn
@@elisaconnolly LOOK AT THE TAN WELL TENDED SKIN
WAIT YOU LIKE PJO SHUT UP NXOWNXOQOS ALL THE LADIES LOVE LEO
They're gay AND european!
This video aged so well, cause a director of Luca recently confirmed that it's canon
Just because the director has a fan fic idea it doesn't make it canon, the director has to answer to the producers for it to be published.
WE WON!!!11!!1!
@@MrObsvenchilde it's cannon
@@MrObsvenchilde the director... said it was canon.... it's canon bro just accept it
@gipito No he didn't. He said it was considered and that's it.
I was like “damn this is an allegory for gay” that ending with the grandma saying “some people will never accept them, they just need to know how to find the good ones” LIKE
When i heard "accept them" thats when i know
EXACTLY I MEAN COME ON
How can they not just be friends. It also makes sence if they are friends
I watched this with some church kids and I literally looked up at this point to see if anyone else got the reference. All the kids who realized this reference were looking at each other like, "This is very very gay"
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The part where Luca gently tells his mom that ‘We’re always safe/careful’ hit me right in the gut as an Older Gay. The prevalence of parents assuming you’d die by HIV/AIDS was huge in the time when I came out.
Yes! Same for me, even though I came out in 2010. There was, and still is in some circles, that fear, even with the advances in medicine in the decades since.
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omg that adds a whole new level
Yes!! And along with that, getting hate-crimed - "We aren't obvious"
@@Dale-ct5ru literally this omg
One thing I really appreciated was the scene where Luca and Alberto get scared while talking to Giulia and grab onto each other. Instead of doing the "classic", played-for-laughs realization and jerk away from each other, they simply disentangle themselves without any awkwardness or even acknowledgement.
The rocking boat part had similar blushing awkward crush style expression. It really reminded me of how Lumity in The Owl House depicted the crush moments.
@@Nightman221k is that when they're fishing with Giulia's papa?
@@bunji_beans Yes, that's the scene.
no no-homo.
if Luca were a girl everyone would just assume they were dating smh 😭😭
Honestly. Someone should make an edited version where Luca or Alberto is a girl, show half of a test audience the original and half the edited version and you'll see the biases
@@FirestarYT Exactly!! That would honestly be very interesting to see....as well as disheartening, as it would certainly reveal how biased so many people are. :'( I'll bet you anything, if there was an alternate version where Luca or Alberto was a girl, EVERY person in the audience would be going: "Aww! What a cute couple!🥰" But because it's two boys in the original version, they hate the idea of anyone shipping them or simply thinking they're cute together.🙄😢
@@FirestarYTI think that two studios should release the same short film. One with a male and female duo, one with a male and male duo. Make both of the characters very romantically attracted to eachother in both of the films, and show it to audiences because I guarantee people will assume that the wlm one is romantic, and the mlm one is platonic
LITERALLY
@@Biggest_Luisa_Fan ur funny
Pixar can't convince me that it was purely accidental. Someone on the team of animators knew what they were doing. The "back off" glares that Alberto gives when he sees Giulia touching Luca's hand or them getting close. The scene where they bump into each other on the boat with Massimo and blush and make awkward faces looked like an Amity and Luz awkward moment. They framed the scenes where Alberto was jealous identically to a love triangle and then with the part where they saved each other during the race and that ending and the dramatic hand holding. I've never seen a dramatic chasing the train sequence done in a platonic way without it emulating romantic feelings. Not to mention the dream sequences kind of imply a closer bond Luca feels with Alberto cause he imagines himself and Alberto on the same vespa, where as he imagines he and his friend Giulia on separate flying machines.
Watch The Half of It for non-romantic train chasing sequences 🥰
@@ejvanilla7709 ohh yes I love that movie! it's also queer and I kind of have a small crush on ellie 🌈🥺
When they're riding on the vespa--I might be reading too much into it but--Luca's hand is on Alberto's waist, which is usually seen as a romantic gesture.
Pixar did know what they were doing. McKenna Harris was the story lead for Luca and an artist too.
Hasn't even been a month of them being Canon and already the "Amity and Luz blush" is becoming a thing, this makes me so happy
Fun fact: In the Italian voiceover the actor for Luca is an Alberto, and the actor for Alberto is a Luca. While both Luca and Alberto are very common Italian names - so it could just be a really fun coincidence - it is also LITERALLY a case of "call me by your name". Lol.
Wait, WHAT?!
I didn't know that but I'm glad I do now
Oh boy ! could this get anymore beautiful?!
Wooooooow. Okay.
This was indeed a fun fact, and I’m putting it in the fun fact box.
I am aro/ace and I'm pretty dense when it comes to romantic subtext or gestures, but onces the two older women "came out" after Luca and Alberto were accepted, and the grandma gave the "some will never accept them, they just have to find good people" speech, I just knew. You really can't make it more obvious, even I caught it.
Same. I, myself, am idemromantic, which makes differentiating platonic and romantic relationships even more difficult for me. However, I cannot deny that a lot of the elements that Luca contains are so painfully romantic. And, sure, it is just as important to normalize intimacy between male, platonic friendships, but I think the lack of that is linked to homophobia. Men are not intimate with each other for fear of being labeled "gay," after all, so I think that if we want to normalize that, then we should deal with the root cause of it first.
Apologies for rambling, haha. I just wanted to speak up about it because as much as I hate the fact that our society is so amatonormative, I still think accepting queer romance is part of the process of accepting queerness as a whole.
@@ieii9925 THIS^^ soooo many people overlook it but it's the truth. Thanks for saying this
I'm aro/ace as well and as soon as alberto said his first letter in the movie, i just knew where this was gonna go
I’m a lesbian (demiaroace!) and caught it when the grandma was looking out for Luca, thats such a big gay trope + what she said in the end and the fucking train scene?? omg
Yup
Watching this because Luberto just became canon
OH???? IT DID???????
this ship name makes it even more italian somehow
@@PumkinPeteryeah, the director of the film confirmed it via art of them kissing on insta
I'm not gonna fact check this, because I want to believe :3
@@bumblebeeproductions1673what i wanna see
"basically, when they're dry, they're humans
when they're wet, they're sea monsters
and when they exist, they're gay"
lmao best quote ever
that and "it's like poetry: gay."
When they're wet, I'm wet!
I READ THIS AS HE SAID THAT LINE
You could actually think of this as another metaphor; being yourself to your supporting relationships, and hiding yourself for safety around others and the unknown
I’ll be honest, in a good way, I think this movie is one big metaphor, and I think Pixar knew what they were doing
so many hilarious quotes!!
It drives me kind of crazy how so many of the people with internalized homophobia say, “can’t males just be friends anymore?” Or something to to that effect just because gay fans interpret it to be a crush (cause it is framed that way). It’s kind of insane that it makes them so angry for representation to be anything other than straight. Like they can’t see themselves enjoying something if it’s queer.
not to mention there is a lot of movies of “males being friends”
@@ceciliatoledo837 Even if they were platonic, it's like the idea of one of the Underdogs being LGBT+ is some kind of affront to keep them from enjoying the film. Despite the fact that they already say they enjoy it. What exactly would it change if one or more of them was gay?
@@ceciliatoledo837 literally tho! they always say that in pretty much every fandom and that fandom is mostly just male friendships that are just that. and people just want it to be that.
It’s also dumb because why assume that you can’t be friends with your crush. It’s not an exclusive thing. You can be best friends with the person you love.
@@MonyXChan yeah, exactly! i actually had a giant crush on my best friend when were were younger and that's all we were (we're both girls) and i feel like people forget that you can be friends or best friends with your crush
My initial reaction was like "if they took it this far, why can't they just make it explicitly gay?" but then I remembered this might be so important for children whose parents would send them to "the bottom of the ocean" if they show interest in an explicitly queer movie. So instead of "Hey can we watch Luca the gay movie?" it's "Hey can we watch Luca the sea monster movie?"
Sameee
I'm sad that our kids movies still have to be queer coded
But I'm glad this one was. The fact that so many straights are denying the gayness in it just shows that their kids are watching the movie and getting the message
honestly i'm thankful for them
My take is because it also makes other identities relevant and relatable too. Why can't Luca be bi, pan, and/or ace but alloromantic? Putting it as one can make it a little less relatable for other identities. I as an aro ace nb was able to relate. Did I see Luca and Alberto as a romantic couple? No. Close friends exist too, watch sunsets, build things, etc. It's openness makes the end message more powerful. I as aro, ace, and nb can relate to it on all three levels that makes me not cishet.
@@twylenb “alloromantic”? 😂 why does having romantic attraction for people (the majority of people) need to be represented? It’s literally represented in majority of movies
@@zachsmith5766 it’s to clarify that they’re ace but also alloromantic, and not ace and aro
POV: its 2024 and it just became canon
It did?! I been living under a rock..
To be clear, it was not confirmed by the director themselves, but a storyboard picture did posit Alberto and Luca doing romantic stuff so it may as well be confirmed gay but is toned down.
WE WONNNNN❤
When? where?
Enrico Casarosa, the director of Disney and Pixar's 2021 animated film Luca, has said that while there were discussions about making the film's two lead characters, Luca and Alberto, gay, he ultimately decided to focus on their friendship and pre-romance. Casarosa has also said that the film is not a queer story, but rather "platonic" and "pre-pubescent". However, some fans have interpreted Luca and Alberto's relationship as queer-coded, and the story has been seen as an allegory for queer youth google ai
here's a tip: if my 6-year-old sister said she wanted Luca and Alberto to get married, you can acknowledge its gay too
edit: there must be so many gay people in these comments because i somehow got a ton of likes
6??? Your sister is going places. Good places.
Show her the Citta Vuota Luca x Alberto animatic. It has their first dance mixed with the two getting married as adults and it is SO heartwarming.
@@Nightman221k bro i saw it and cried instantly like I really can’t
@@Nightman221k I agree with this sentiment. She will love it! It’s incredibly wholesome
@@mkthatartist7979 I know right?
I recently showed this movie to my older brother, partially due to how beautiful it is visually (he works in 3d animation and absolutely loses his mind over good visuals, and he was gushing over the lighting and colors within the first minute) but I was also curious how long it would take him to pick up on the gay subtext without me telling him or hinting that it was there. My older brother is straight and cis (as opposed to me who is bi and trans). He's super supportive of me in my queerness and is a great ally but doesn't usually pick up on these types of things unless they're outright confirmed and explicit (i.e. a kiss, a date, etc) But once that scene where they're riding the vespa through the field of flowers comes on, he kinda pauses and goes, "... this movie is kinda gay, isn't it?"
Lmao that's hilarious. I mean, no friends fantasize about them in a field of flowers together. Remember that scene in Shrek??
Wanna mention this because it could be something he picked up on as well, other than how close their "totally just a friendship" is, there's a thing called film language which is based on the lighting, the tone, the music, certain poses and tropes, which all combine to tell you stuff implicitly and I'm sure he was influenced by that, especially working in animation. Which is important because it means the film language completely contradicts the producer saying this movie isn't gay, they put in the subtext.
"they're kids" yeah but if one of them was a girl everyone would ship them ._.
And what if they're kids? You didn't had a crush when you were in elementary school or something
Not everyone. Not even close
some people still ship luca and julia💀💀
I wouldn’t
@@zsofiasuveges2597 WHAT💀💀
Ship them where?
“I don’t know why, but I’m in a very confirming mood today.”
-The Co Director posting art of them
One thing I like to do in scenarios of ambiguous gayness is what I call the “what if it were straight” test. Gender swap one of the characters and read it again. Is it romantic now? If yes, then it was romantic all along. And that train scene. Is not platonic.
i must agree
…Would you not cry and hug them goodbye if you were saying goodbye to a close friend? Same sex or not, I feel like that’s an odd argument
None of you have experienced the drama right before every summer break period when kids realize they won't see their best friend for a whole couple of weeks due to vacation.
Ikr like that train scene was straight out of a romance movie
This exactly!
Hahahaha this title is amazing. Usually you're like "are the gay? You decide", but this time it's just, yeah they are.
it's not even a question this time lol
@@v4leree facts
Because its obvious
They're cartoon children. They aren't gay.
@@enigmachinasclass8153 I didnt watch this movie or watch this video, so idc
and the fact that the posters they show for the vespa shows a guy riding it and a girl holding onto him romantically while Alberto and Luca talk about wanting to buy one together . someone on the animation team knew what they were doing putting the poster there as a way of showing them being different than what humans are used to
WAIT I'M SOBBING
I always thought the Roman Holiday poster was there to sort of put an implied year on the story (With Roman Holiday and 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea posters implying that Luca takes place around 1954 when both films would have first been shown in theaters). I never thought about the poster reflecting that in Luca the poster was meant to show how the characters of Roman Holiday reflect Luca/Alberto also riding the Vespa together. That’s a neat interpretation.
wait what poster? the one at albertos tower only has one guy on it, i don't see a woman with him
@@katiewilliams7244 the one when Luca and Alberto convinced Giulia to join her team and about the prize money for their Vespa.
yes!! and in the dream sequence alberto and luca are riding the vespa together. it’s a direct parallel some people are so stupid to deny it
Ppl could argue “ohh ur reaching” but the co-creator of the movie literally drew (FANART, THEY MADE IT CLEAR IT WAS FANART BUT STILL) Luca and Alberto kissing.
Oh…💀
@@fern1550?
LITERALLY YOUR SPEAKING FACTS
WHERE? not trying to doubt you, im just curious 🙏🙏🙏🙏
@@klaustotallyreal im pretty sure on twitter or something else
the grandma literally has her own 'I was a lesbian back in my day' moment when talking about the land and y'all STILL think there's no gayness?
Plenty of gayness. But just as a bait, and these people swallowed the bait hard, and are now trying to convince everyone else "no, the fake fish i ate IS real!"
What does that have to do with the fictional children being romanticized because of "muh feelings"?
@@enigmachinasclass8153 “fictional children being romanticized” LMAO. That’s not even what romanticizing something means, first of all. And secondly, you probably mean that people are specializing children if they’re interpreted to be two boys crushing on each other. Which really begs the question, why do you think gay relationships are inherently more sexual? Disney movies and most cartoons for kids have straight romance in them, or at least crushes. Why’s it any different if it’s gay? Coming off a bit homophobic there my dude.
@@RenaissanceRockerBoy That is always the first assumption you people make. You must not like adults incessantly shipping child characters because you're homophobic. I assure you, that isn't the case. It's one thing for writers to include a childhood crush, it's another for fans of that medium to push attraction on two minors who are confirmed to have a platonic relationship. End of.
@@enigmachinasclass8153 bruh does it matter?
This made me realize that the only time people get angry over a childhood crush story is when the two kids in question are of the same sex. They don't care if Timmy and Rebecca are blushing at each other and exchanging love letters. But if Timmy so much as looks at John, suddenly there is an issue with the characters being "too young to have crushes and understand relationships". Really says a lot about society and it's double standards, eh?
trueeeee
Literally. I mean everyone has an issue with Luca and Alberto but no one had an issue with Carl and Ellie in up? Both pairs are cute and the double standard is annoying
it gets worse when you want asexual characters in kids movies.
@@kaiyodei I thought they all were until proven otherwise (what directors always say)
@@Stairhater101 as a fellow queer teen, gay kids will be gay kids. I had crushes on girls and boys as a little kid, that didn't confuse me at all. What was confusing, was how the only representation I ever got was of girls and boys, and no representation for people like me. Watching movies or reading books with gay characters didn't "expose" me to confusion, it was reassuring, as for once, I could see myself in a positive story with people I could relate to. All kids need representation.
as if it needed to be further explained, pixar cared to use città vuota as the credits song. look up for its translation, it's basically about a person who's sad because their lover is away from them.
They went: Oh. No one will notice! It’s Italian so it doesn’t matter, it gets a pass
@@a_gurl596 tbf for Pixar Italians aren't real so
@@tenderandmoist5011 because they are not wdym
@@gabrielflores791
Man... I wish squids were real
@@BasementCorvid what is even a squid in the first place?
The way Alex has not missed a single time, he's always right lmao
I know, right?!
If alberto was a girl yknow damn well "cant kids just be friends" people would be shipping them so hard
Exactly 💯
No they fucking wouldn't because most, normal functioning adults don't like to look at children and push sexual agendas and romantic views. It's disgusting
Or if Luca was a girl.
Eh, I'd be fine with them just being kids. I don't ship children. Now, maybe when they are adults...riding off on their Vespa together. That'd be fine. It has very little to do with them being little boys or little girls or anything like that. They are children...so I don't want to see them being anything but kids.
@@user-2012July-A That's fair but we're talking about homophobic people who only say this when two kids of the same gender are shipped.
to everyone saying that “you can’t call them gay because they’re kids! stop sexualising them!” you need to understand that queerness is not inherently sexual. if you think it is, then you need to take a look at yourself and think about whether it is YOU who is sexualising queer people. (and if so, that’s not acceptable and you need to work to change that)
THIS IS THE ONE.
Oh dang you right! I always hear ppl say that and don't even listen to what they think they're saying!
I'm not the one who made a video trying to prove that 2 minors are gay
@@webbyoyster did u not read a word of my comment?
But now anyone can't be friends 🙄
I only watched luca like half a week ago, and after months of seeing people online talking about how gay it is, I fully expected it to be like, oh it's probably a movie featuring a close male friendship and people are reading romance into it, like 90% of the time tumblr latches onto an m/m ship
but i watched it and NOPE, NAH, IT'S 100% GAY FROM LIKE 4 DIFFERENT ANGLES
Exactly the same thoughts I had
more like every different angle if you ask me
*I dont see anyway it can be gay. Its purely coincidental*
@@straawberryfieldsforever or its because the director said it was never his intention
Gay in 4k
So turns out, this was confirmed. He was right again folks.
So turns out it wasn't confirmed seriously if your gonna talk at least show concrete proof
@ “We were really focusing on friendship so pre-romance” Which is a quote from the director basically saying that it is the beginning of the relationship which would lead to something in the future. Really dude, 30 seconds of research. It was confirmed.
The fact that both the actors of the main characters said they’d be up for a sequel where the boys are a little older and in a romantic relationship gives me hope for the future
what?!! where that news came from?!! Really, that´ll be so awesome!!
Did they really? That’d be amazing!
YO REALLY?! THAT'D BE SO POGGERS!!!!!
Where do they say that?
Please post this because this would be so great if it happened
People denying how incredibly gay the characters and story in Luca are is just ridiculous. It's beyond blatant.
People denying it because they are children and shouldn't be sexualized
@@barracuda0405 just because a child has a crush on another child it doesn’t mean it’s inherently sexual, young teenagers are in romantic relationships all of the time.
@@barracuda0405 that’s literal homophobic rhetoric used to demonize gay ppl. Kids are gay get over it.
@@barracuda0405 also they’re 13 & 14
@@charliesweb7071 "homophobic rhetoric to demonize gay people" lmao calm down it's not! You know once a character gets labled as [insert sexuality] they get sexualized. Just how the interbet works. Instead let them be childs ffs
as a Mediterranean european: no, it's still gay
and the thing that frustrates me is that, if Alberto and Luca were real people, the same people denying their queerness would all turn to ASSUME they were in a relationship (and be bigoted accordingly), because it's just blatantly obvious the nurture the boys feel for eachother, and that kind of expression is very much frowned upon, specially in small towns like Porto Rosso.
interesting, just on a plot and behavior level I didn't see anything obviously gay about their relationship. It was just friendship. I had plenty of such friendship in my childhood and I cried when I had to go away after the summer or when a friend moves away, and there was no gayness about it (at least from my side). I am just saying, this is not obvious. I get the meta-narrative level and metaphors, but the film portrayed it on relationship/plot level in such a way that they could be gay or nor, it really does not matter, not the point, because point is friendship.
@@Rendref did u have fantasy of running away with ur same gender best friend and living by urself forever and then get jealous if they make a opposite gender friend !? (no offense lmao)
@@Rendref honest question, are you gay?
@@coltonwolf3462 honest answer, no. At least last time I checked, lol. Also, I wonder where is my answer to another comment, it was so lengthy... I guess I'll have to answer again.
@@Rendref well that’s the thing, for you, you wouldn’t see the signs that people of the LGBTQ+ community would see. and that’s okay! its just not something you can immediately see if you’ve never lived through those experiences. Luca resonates with me so much as growing up queer, i didnt realize i had crushes on some of the boys i hung out with. i later realized, when i got older, that i in fact was in love with them (i also somewhat knew during that time, but i was repressing my feelings because i didnt exactly know i was gay yet). its also the characters themselves that SCREAM queer children because of their experiences, as i literally have lived that life. its not that you’re mistaken either, because it does revolve around friendship, but it also isn’t just about that, as subtext and coding of the characters is so apparent to us of the lgbtq+ community.
This aged so well lol
How
@ There was official art made of Luca x Alberto
You forgot the gayest scene of them all!!! After Luca and Albert sleep in the treehouse the first time, it's been raining so they've both transformed back. Luca wakes up first, looks at Alberto lovingly, and then panics because he realizes they transformed, I mean, he realizes that it looks really gay that they've been sleeping together and cuddling all night, so he desperately wakes Alberto so that they together can erase all signs of seamonster-ness, I mean, gayness from themselves before they go have breakfast with Julia and her dad.
Omg i didn't even realize
oh god my heart, I didn't really care for this movie much before but that's..
I totally wish this had been included! It's such a funny yet serious moment.
... what the actual hell?
He didn’t panic because it looked g@y. He panicked because they transformed into sea monsters and if anyone saw them, THEY WOULD BE KILLED. And who said they were cuddling? And didn’t the girl tell them to sleep there? And wasn’t the dad obsessed with killing trying to kill a sea monster?
Even if Alberto was a girl, Luca would still be Pixar's gayest movie.
Facts
it would be high school musical basically
Your profile picture ………..
The hs pfp 👍
(i have to say nice pfp)
what i hate is how ppl say that saying two guys/girls are gay is sexualizing kids when they ship a guy and a girl together who have never even met or they barely talk
I swear. So like even if it was that would mean that they sexualize hetero kids
Who and where?
Who and where?
@@LEELOLKHa lot of places but idk
@@LEELOLKHfor the first one, more than half of the right wing
for the second one, almost all of the right wing
this is really funny to watch in 2024 when luca x alberto was confirmed cannon lol
If Luca is literally a gay slow-burn, friends-to-lover's, coming-out-in-a-homophobic-enviroment fanfic brought to life by Pixar. Nothing can change my mind.
We don't need to change your mind, because you're right.
They are based on the Directors childhood friends and both of them are not gay
@@GreenBunnyTNT. it’s all for fun dude go home
Why can’t they just be friends and as a person who ships everything I don’t ship Luca with anyone you wanna know why cause they are just friends
@@10ones Because it doesn’t hurt anyone or anything thinking that they could be more than friends.
Hi I'm Italian go listen to Raffaella Carrà's song "Luca" it's in Italian but it's literally a girl saying that she loved this boy a lot but then one day she saw him with another blonde haired boy and since that day she never saw him again
The singer Raffaella Carrà is very popular here in Italy she died recently she will always be remembered as a strong supporter of the LGBT community
Awww imma search it up :D
Hmm that must be totally a concience XD An its cute
YOURE THE FIRST PERSON THAT PRONOUNCES “Alberto” CORRECTLY, I LOVE YOU
I think he's from latam, so... since Alberto is a common name
There are more than a way to pronounce Alberto.
The pronunciation can change depending of where you live. In my country no one says Alberto like that.
he's from mexico and his mother is from venezuela and we do pronounce alberto like that!
@@SteffOrSomething yep! I’m Mexican too, but in the English community is rare to find someone that pronounces our names properly
yeah people pronounce it like 'al-ber-toe' and it's so weird????
who's here in 2024 afte rluca and alberto were confirmed to be gay?
HERE!!
✋️
Me!!
Here
It never did but sure
also let's not forget the song that plays during the credits is literally a love song about missing your lover, always thinking of them and the city feeling empty without them 👀🏳️🌈
One of the songs is about a dude being jealous because his crush is hanging out with another person 👀
MMNHNMMMMM THEY KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING
@@lemonsforthedevil3873 damn what song is that
+luca's soundtrack is actually dope
@@lemonsforthedevil3873 THEY THINK THEYRE SLICK
@@lemonsforthedevil3873 LIKE COME THE FUCK ON.
DO THEY THINK WE'RE BLIND??
This is some "There are no gays in Ba Sing Se" realness.
Without seeing the video: YES. 100% TRUTH.
Same
Yesss
Enrico Casarosa, the director of Disney and Pixar's 2021 animated film Luca, has said that while there were discussions about making the film's two lead characters, Luca and Alberto, gay, he ultimately decided to focus on their friendship and pre-romance. Casarosa has also said that the film is not a queer story, but rather "platonic" and "pre-pubescent". However, some fans have interpreted Luca and Alberto's relationship as queer-coded, and the story has been seen as an allegory for queer youth google ai
wasn't ready for it, but "you can access bisexual content across the globe" was the sentence I needed to hear today
Well well well, look who ended up entirely right
AGAIN
Not you apparently
I used to be on the fence about calling this movie gay because we also need to normalize close male friendships without them being called gay for it in order to take down toxic masculinity and all, but then I realized that if gay weren't still seen as a bad thing then it wouldn't be used as an insult/they wouldn't feel afraid of being called it. And the only way to do that is to normalize being gay!
So gay it up! The movie's gay! The fish be gay! Gay gay homosexual gay
yeah I totally agree with you, but I think it's also disheartening that creators are taking things that are so painfully obviously intrinsic to to the queer experience and then denying that any queerness was ever there in the first place, as seen in luca and all the subtext it has. James Somerton has a great video essay on Luca where he talks about this much more eloquently than I ever could, you should give it a watch!
even the sheep fish gay! everything gay!
gay gay lesbian gay
GAY lol
Be they straight or gay, these two guys love each other. They have 4 displays of selfless love in a row. Luca decides to win the race to prove to Alberto that he (Alberto) has someone he can depend on, Alberto risks his safety to make sure Luca isn't outed as a seamonster (knowing how Luca's dream is to fit in with humans and learn), Luca outs himself and saves Alberto when Alberto is in the net, and Alberto gives up the vespa to show how much Luca's happiness means to him even if they're apart during the school year.
Personally, I think that these two being so selfless and loving to each other makes me like the headcanon that they become a couple in the future.
I literally watched a lecture from the Pixar crew that worked on Luca and they basically did a disclaimer that it's gay but they can't say it's gay. They said that you can interpret it however you want to and project your own identity into it and then they kept like winking during the Zoom call. It was hilarious.
OHHH??? LINK????
@@kerensahardesty9851 It was a Zoom lecture, so there is no link.
@@alyssarouso Awe, that's too bad. Was there a recording, at least?
@@kerensahardesty9851 No, Disney blocked recordings from it, and as someone who works for them and wants to progress further within the company, I respected their wishes.
This is why Pixar should have had control.
28:30 A bunch of the townspeople "coming out" as sea monsters also works very well with real life. Gay people aren't always just some outsiders that showed up one day; gay people can be your relatives, your teachers, your friends. You never realize how not alone you are in your queerness until you look around for other people who look/act/feel the same as you. And if there is no one like that around, sometimes you have to act as that beacon of familiarity and hope, and you will find that people will join you.
Like the grandmas
i literally cried then lol
Why do you have to link any character revealing their identity to sexuality? They literally revealed their race and the first thing you think of is "wow, look just like queer"
@@bandarsalh1338 I don't mean this in a rude way, but did you watch the video?
6:22 - 10:10 highlights the main aspects of the "sea monster" = queer metaphor.
26:51 - 29:13 have some great examples shown with clips of the movie.
I saw that you left another comment on this video saying "Didn't the director deny this?" and 31:35 - 33:36 discusses exactly that.
If you're actually curious, I can provide my own thoughts about the metaphor and link to people who are better versed in queer theory than I am.
@@scaleonkhan183
tbh i didn't watch the full video, i just wanted to see the comments
(Most of them are supportive and respectful)
I'm really going to take the directors words for it, as the producers are the ones who decide such things
Forcing my own interpretation of the character as if it was a fact really feels wrong to me
Funny how it’s confirmed that’s Luca and Alberto are confirmed gay🗣️🔥
Yessss we won💪💪💪
🥳
Is it really?
@@Ebh55. yep
@@Ebh55.yeah. one of the director drew a few pics and one of them kissing
luca in his sea creature form are literally the mlm flag colors
like bro
you can’t tell me he isn’t gay
Was waiting for someone to mention that detail. Turquoise, white, and dark blue. It's so obvious. MLM.
*He isn't gay*
@@Evancore-u6v he is and there's nothing you can do about it
@@Evancore-u6v stfu and watch the video
@@Hyacinth_666 no thanks. He’s not gay and nothing will change my mind. I’m all for lgbtq characters but this ain’t it
It's actually the perfect gay metaphor. The representation it's clearly there even if it's not explicitly said. There isn't a need for labels because they're still kids, but definitely queer kids.
It's like the animated G rated version of Call me by your name.
And the peach scene was just cut completely. Haha
Yes totally
Last year I went to a speaker session from a leader of Disney’s LGBTQ Employee Resource group. Question: when are we getting an animated movie with a gay lead? Answer: It’s tough to get permission to say it outright, but trust me, we’re working on it! I’m convinced this is the result and many actual queer people at the lower working levels of Disney/Pixar worked to make this as gay as possible.
We love to see it.
Nope we won't see anything actually from start to finish before they suddenly don't care what the beloved CCP think. Otherwise its going to be vague and easily editable.
It is facts, it written over everything,
th ccp is just an excuse to not go there, by the way.
coming back to this video after years to celebrate our queer rep because its now canon 🎉🎉
This is the best day ever!!🥳💃
Wait what? PLS EXPLAIN
@@uhuh9859Basically, one of the creators of Luca has posted a lot of art of Luca and Alberto being in love.😄 (tumblr was where I saw it)
@@uhuh9859 to be more specific (and also im hyperfixated on luca so talking abt anything that has to do with it makes me happy so yea) Mckenna harris, story lead on luca and director of ciao alberto have posted in their instagram story some « unsanctioned fanarts » of luberto to celebrate its release on the big screen this spring, so technically it isn’t canon cause it isn’t in the movie itself but a win is a win jendidndisk so everyone freaked out cause well those fanarts came from someone important in the creation of the movie and the « sequel » and also because well disney needs to sell so having queer main characters would ruin them and make the movie flop so having these fanarts made by kenna is the closest to canon we’ll ever get so just for fun and to celebrate some good and interesting queer rep lets say its semi-canon eidjisndlsn (also they kinda implied there will be more to come AND I JUST NEED MORE LUCA IN MY LIFE SO IF YOU SEE THIS KENNA PLEASE FEED US /hj)
@@Biggest_Luisa_Fan That makes it fan fiction. The director doesn't always have full authority over a movie.
“Luca isn’t gay”
SILENCIO BRUNO
lol
*Silenzio
@LA NIYAH BRUMFIELD say that again but slower, and maybe you'll get it
@LA NIYAH BRUMFIELD bc kids are sometimes also gay people????????
But they aren't gay?
I'm really surprised that he didn't mention Luca's uncle. See, biologically in nature, female anglerfish are the big ones with the sharp teeth and the glowy thing on top of their heads. Male anglerfish are much much smaller and are basically parasitic tadpoles. So yeah, Uncle Ugo is indeed a trans man.
damn i love it here
This is satire right
@@why-oh-wai no it's biology uwu
@@lilacramen7483 yeah and clown fish switch genders when their mate dies, but nobody's reaching hard and saying marlin is trans male huh
Imagine applying real world facts to fictional kids movies, please touch grass 💀
@@why-oh-wai um sorry to tell you but there is a theory on that... and I am always touching grass don't worry :)
I showed this movie to my 19 year old cishet brother, and we’re like 20 minutes into the movie as he turns to me and says: “Soo, this is gay, right?”
I am literally bi, but didn’t truly catch the metaphor until the grandma line near the end. So yeah. Absolutely gay.
The director has even said on Twitter that he doesn’t mind if people view it as such.
exactly, before I watched Luca I thought "ok so they probably have an undefined friendship that could come across as a romantic relationship in a certain context" but the entire time I was actually watching the movie I was thinking "wow how could people think this was JUST a friendship." (emphasis on the just because Luca and Alberto are still friends but not just friends.)
@@lilliroemhild4242 Right, I saw them as childhood sweethearts.
The director is literally saying for reasons for reemployment i cant say it , but "wing wink" yes its gay its gay just you know disney .
Yeah the director said you can VIEW it as gay. Did he said it IS gay? Didn’t think so. Definitely not gay
@@bigboi4488 the director and team also would get in trouble when saying its gay. They did actually anot recorded interaction where they were pretty open and did it with a "wink wink" . You realize him saying, despite disney you can view it as gay is saying it is. Disney is that i sidioud punishing people for public statements, he has to be vagie if he wants to say dep its gay or he gets in trouble. Which he did. Why you can view it is a confirmation, withadded deniability to protect the director
GUESS WHAT GOT CONFIRMED ALMOST 3 YEARS LATER???
I DONT KNOW WHAT GOT BUT ITS DEFINITLY NOT THEM BEING GAY 🔥🔥🔥
@ IT IS
@@V-Star780 ok show Me evidence
@ Kenna Jean Harris (story lead and director of Ciao Alberto) released art drops when the film came back to theaters back in I think January
@@V-Star780 that litterally proves the fact that the movie could have been gay but isn't since it didnt make its way to the actual movie and is just released as some fan-art 💀
Me, who believes in healthy same-sex friendships:
Yeah, no, Luca is definitely gay.
ye
This.
No they're not the producer literally said they're not so stop believing
@@maritzasemprit3649 Because Pixar would probably get backlash from homophobic parents if they did say it directly.
Off topic but I love your pfp
Fun fact: “ us underdogs gotta stick together “ is what I said before my gay awakening crush kissed me
Hello fellow poly pancake!!
Fun fact: "pizza is pretty good" is what i Said After watching p0rn therefore pizza IS related to p0rn
The creator has said multiple times he's okay with people interpreting it as gay, still I think he means it is gay.
I swear to God there had to be a wink and a nod when he said. Like this movie couldn't of been gayer outside of outright just saying it.
@@lizzy532 unfortunately, he said it in a tweet that I spent an hour trying to find but I can't for the life of me and I am not going to look at every post he made-
But some highlights I remember is that he is glad that LGBTQ+ plus people are taking refuge in Luca and that despite being a straight man that uses he/him pronouns he fully supports the LGBTQ+ community.
I don’t believe so, I’ve had friendships very much like this as a young boy, but I wasn’t thinking I was gay. They were just boys I grew up with and had a deep bond with.
Some of them I still feel are my family and brothers. I would give my life for them.
But as much as I love them dear to my heart, I don’t romantically love them.
But I do love them.
Western culture has unfortunately made it so any semblance of male bonding is quickly associated with gayness, and I’m glad people feel so good with this movie being a “gay” film.
But like the director. We really just have male friends who we love deeply & we aren’t scared of male bonding.
he said it was never his intent tho
@@DowntownLAKid the problem of western culture is wider, it spreads the idea that love = romance. In the same way that any female interacting with the hero's story becomes a romantic interest, or that romance is "more than friendship". Nope, not more, just different. Platonic relationships can be just as strong and even stronger.
I really like how Luca's mother doesn't end up being a bad guy. Unlike a lot of homophobic parents, she does end up understanding that even if she thinks humans are scum of the Earth (I mean she's not wrong), she lets Luca adventure out and go to school because she loves him. It gives me hope that there are parents out there with the ability to change.
"So you think LUCA is gay?"
Me: Yes, and I'm tired of pretending it's not
There not gay the creators said it
@@BlackPanther-pv1rh it's just an opinion and a joke tho
@@creativity.bozzzo6398 A wrong opinion and an unfunny joke
@@enigmachinasclass8153 wrong opinion eh? Then why would everyone agree, also, I know this opinion is wrong, but it's just something I like to think about.
And unfunny joke? Really? Then let's ignore everybody in the comments who think it's a funny joke
@@BlackPanther-pv1rh bro it's disney if they saw a rainbow flag within 10ft of them they'd scream
and how Luca’s daydreams all included Alberto on the vespa with him
His daydreams about going on flying machines with Giulia has them on separate ones rather than sharing one like he envisioned with the Vespa and Alberto.
this aged like fine wine
pretending this movie is purely heterosexual is like pretending yuri on ice isnt gay.
Yuri on Ice is gay? /s
@Just Another Gayboy Have you seen the anime?
@@fuzya8636 it was sarcasm, obviously. It be gay
Or with Sk8 the infinity
God I hate the palm trees so much
Ikr! Yuri On Ice is amazing and super gay!!!
Even without it being an allegory, the main characters are literally mlm. I mean like how the main characters of Ponyo like each other even if they don’t like, kiss.
Omg Luca is literally ponyo but gay
Ponyo and Sasuke like each other?? 😭😭 bruh i thought they were siblings
@@shaples7355 lmao you need to rewatch it
@@lablabs2613 ahahaaha fr
@@shaples7355 how? isn't Ponyo a fish girl?
When I first watched Luca I didn’t see their relationship as gay. I thought, “Oh, when I was younger I would get jealous whenever my best friend got a new friend.” I just accepted I’m a lesbian a few weeks ago and realize that neither thing was straight.
How old are you?
@@drsamuelhaydensecretgaming6749 I’m sixteen, why do you need to know?
@@ilovedambooks2239 because the human brain generally matures around age 21, and this channel and channels like it generally have a younger demographic. In short, to prove a point. At some point in like few years or so, you might find yourself looking back on this and cringing.
@@drsamuelhaydensecretgaming6749 I mean, I'm 29 and I have the same perception of my jealousy over my best friend getting a new friend. Nothing to do with brain development and everything to do with being a lesbian and recognizing how it manifested before I knew what words to put to it.
The prefrontal cortex develops around age 25, by the way, not 21.
Girl i had been jelous of my friends friend before and not bc im in love but bc i have fucking abadonment issues
AU where Alberto and Luca manage to hide they are sea monsters for a few years longer. they want to come out to their friends, and then when they go to do it they're like "I have something to tell you, I want you to remember I'm still me and I hope this doesn't change they way you see us-" and then their friends are like "we know" and they're like "oh thank god, we were so worried you'd hate us for being sea monsters" "of course we knew you were ga- wait sea monsters?!"
Would love to see you discuss the relationship between Luz and Amity from The Owl House next, in relation to the conversation of Disney and Queer.
One of the most groundbreaking and well done explicitly confirmed representations in the medium, and yet it's in a Disney show, whom the show creator Dana Terrace has openly said she fought them at every corner for.
YESS I LOVE LUMITY SO MUCH
Luz noceda my beloved
YES LUMITY!!!!!!
As much as I'd love that, I want it to be done after the show is over, as a retrospective. Don't wanna count your content chickens before they hatch
LUMITYYYY
*Heterosexual agenda:* Of course the movie is just about 2 straight friends! The director based it on the childhood adventures he had with his best friend in Italy!
*Me:* So what you're saying is that the director had an childhood crush on his best friend that went unacknowledged until now? Wow, how brave of her to portray her innermost repressed feelings in front of the whole world. Sad that Disney made her take it back and hide it.
Edit: People, this is a joke. I do not actually believe this. Calm down.
Fun fact stepen kings characters reggie and eddie i think were based on some of his real friends when the readers mentioned how gay they are he realized his friends were gay.
@@_aWiseMan Lol, yeah. That tracks. 😆
If someone says they are straight or not gay just because Casarosa said it, you simply reply: "They are not gay, but not straight either. Never said directly that Alberto and Luca are straight. Casarosa just said that the film is not a romance in general. He was referring only to the content of the film, not to the identity of Alberto and Luca. Casarosa has made it clear that they are just friends FOR NOW, before "boyfriends and girlfriends become a complicated thing ". These are her last sentences. In the sense that they have yet to discover love later. The fact that they are friends doesn't mean they can't become a couple someday, when they get older. You know, some friendships can be eternally platonic, others can break up and form new friends but some others can unexpectedly turn into love.
But if someone replies again "But Luca and Alberto are inspired by the Director and his old childhood best friend who are both straight, so the two characters must be straight too!", I simply reply that Luca and Alberto they are just a metaphorical inspiration and not an autobiographical book, as they are just fictional characters. The fact that Luca and Alberto are inspired by Casarosa and her friend does not necessarily mean that they are identical in everything to them. We need to understand the big difference between reality and fiction. For example, I am a writer and comic artist by passion and I have happened to create some characters inspired by me for personality, character or physical appearance ... but they are not identical to me. Because? Because they are not an autobiographical version of my real life as they are just fictional characters, so I can modify them to my liking. For example, while in real life I have healthy legs, I instead created a character similar to me in personality but currently disabled in a wheelchair. It's just a metaphorical inspiration, nothing more. It doesn't have to be all the same to me. She is just a fictional character. And so are Luca and Alberto, who are both sea monsters. That's called fiction, and in fiction you can always play a different role than in real life. You know some gay and straight actors? There are some straight actors who have played gay roles in the past. And vice versa, that is, some gay actors who have played some straight roles. That's fiction, that's acting. If you create a character similar to you, you can make him Mexican while in reality you are Italian. Or you can make it deaf, while you are actually hearing. Or make it, why not, gay or trans while you are actually straight cis. And what about the famous fairy tale The Little Mermaid? Did you know that the original was made by a gay writer? This original fable is clearly metaphorically inspired by an unrequited love of the writer with another man, where it recounts the fact that Ariel becomes mute and dies torn apart by the pain of being rejected by the prince who was married to another woman. Although writer Andersen is gay and unrequited in love with another man, he has included Ariel and the prince as a straight couple. But despite this, they always represent as an example of a "different" love in that they are a mermaid and a human being, and also as an example of the fear of letting their feelings out just because of being a person different from others. As you can see, this fable is just a metaphorical inspiration from Andersen's unfortunate love life.
@@Kikka24TechRev 👍
See this is utter disrespect to the director. Just because this film has a lot of hint doesn't mean he had a thing for his own Alberto. Smh. Quit head canoning real life people. Erico is what he says he is. I say this as someone who loved Luca and ships Lucberto.
“They can’t be gay!! They’re children, stop sexualizing them!!” BEING GAY ISNT INHERENTLY SEXUAL. We have crushes as kids, we get butterflies when talking to people we like, we hold hands, etc etc. Just admit you’re homophobic and move on.
And yet we have Gravity Falls where both Dipper/Mabel have crushes and are both 13 years old.
@@emperium108 yeah doesn’t dipper have a crush on Wendy who’s like 15 💀
@@Deepseadread6 yes, and during one of the time travel episodes it was a a child wendy(which means she was younger then 13) had a puppy dog crush on dipper(which showed how awkward the whole thing was)
@@emperium108 yeah I remember that
@@Deepseadread6 PLS PEOPLE SHIP DIPPER AND BILL 😭😭(I think that’s the triangle guys name)
It’s SO GAY it’s amazing. One of the writers confirmed a while after it was released that they debated making it a romance, and since released sketches of older them having their first kiss etc. so I guess we’re not getting a sequel.
"You got a Bruno in your head"
"A Bruno?"
Yes, we don't talk about him though.
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it’s so blatantly obvious that it’s almost funny. like i literally cannot even believe this is a real movie that got made
I remember actually laughing out loud at some parts like "How much more obvious can they be???"
It was like watching your very straight friend get affectionately hit on and flattered by a gay person, and then your friend not realizing at all until you tell them afterwards. Come on, Disney-Pixar. We know you're not _that_ oblivious.
Alberto literally said, and I quote, “hEY MY FRIEND SMELLS AMAZING” and my dad STILL thinks it’s straight
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Luca litteraly said "They wanted to take me away from everything I love" in relation to going away from Alberto and people s t i l l think they're not gay
Your dad as his opinion, but some opinion are clearly more wrong than others
YOU'RE NOT GONNA BELIEVE WHAT THE CO DIRECTOR JUST POSTED
WHAT ?? WHAT DID THEY POST?
@@hayathoney1371 They posted art of the two kissing, cuddling, etc. They also said that originally at the end of the movie they would’ve kissed after a scene showing them reuniting for 4 summers.
I think it's funny how some people are so persistent that Luca isn't gay simply because straight is the default. There is absolutely nothing in this film that implies that Luca or Alberto are straight. But since straight is the default, they MUST be. Even if the director said that they weren't intended to be gay, I don't think that means that they can't be. Lots of people are assumed to be straight before they realize they're gay or queer, but that doesn't mean they were once straight.
In your fanfiction maybe they turn gay but in the main cannon that matters they’re straight
YESSS EXACTLY
@@Freddyfazballs93 well my uncle works at Disney
These people: *uses one sentence and evidence over and over again to prove a point*
This dude: *creates a 36 MINUTE long video explaining thoroughly, looking through every counter claim, and provides multiple clear evidences and more*
Nothing implies them being gay either but alright
fun fact: Enrico has liked a lot of fanarts on twitter that have Luca and Alberto explicitly as a couple, and conveniently a lot of this likes have dissapeared, I´m not going to say anyithing more
@@the-pan-potato3139 i imagine this is exactly what happened😭
Really? Why did he say they didn't have attraction then?
@@frostbite5656 i don't really know, if we want to make it look dark it's probably because Disney prefer not to do lgbtq+ related characters/movies because they don't want to lose their Russian and Chinese audiences, and well, Disney loves money so... Something simmilar happened with Gravity Falls, the creator said that he wanted some characters to be lgbtq+ but Disney didn't allow him...
@@luxevans4190 aww that's sad
@@luxevans4190 based
"My family was gonna send me somewhere horrible, away from everything that I love!"
THAT LINE ALONE IS GAYLY CHARGED
Not really. It happens all the time when parents send kids to a military school or a private school, and that can happen to any sexuality.
@@jacksquatt6082 I don't think I would compare private school or military school to conversion therapy.
Kids can't love their friends?
lol refusing so see obios and nitpicking to paint their own picture (refusing to egnolage even if they know deep down is true that is move about summertime friendship
@@jacksquatt6082 it isn't the same thing though. luca's mom wants to send luca away to make him not want to be on the human land and essentially make him change his mindset. that is literally conversion therapy. parents send their kids to military/private school because they dont want to be parents, wheras parents who send their kids to conversion therapy think they are genuinely helping their kid
I love watching this after the director confirmed that they were cannon
I appreciate how this one isn't even framed as a question, because it's not
Movie makers: Can we make a gay movie?
Disney: Ok, but you can never ever ever say that it's gay. We want all the money.
Movie makers: Ogay.
IT WAS OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED MY BOY WAS RIGHT
I'm italian, and the use of citta vuota by Mina is such a glaring proof, and as a 20 years old gay italian this movie legit made me cry, ot was a piece by piece representation of my childhood
the fact that monsters have been an allegory for lgbtq people for years? the fact that they turn colorful when they turn into fish?? the fact that the other two sea monsters that were in the town were both old ladies??? the fact you can get the movie on dvd with the letters in rainbow??? the fact that it was released during pride month????? 🏳️🌈
The ladies are unfortunately sisters though lmao
Pixar has been releasing movies in June for over 15 years.
They're literally the mlm flag in fish form too!
@@genericbro2440 really??? i did not know-
Yeah, I watched this movie with my homophobic parents so most of the time I tried to not focus so hard on the queerness of it because It felt a bit like watching sex scenes with them (sadly), but by the last parts with grandma's advice and the romantic goodbye, I was just like C'MON. THERE'S NO OVERLOOKING THIS, RIGHT? also my little sister, who's kinda in the closet, told me "crying in gay" at the end, out of my parents' earshot.
I do get what some people say about the importance of portraying healthy platonic relationships and all, but I still think this movie was meant to be a queer one. We're not exactly in abundance of healthy, cute, comforting representation of the queer experience either, after all
I mean Luca and Gulia being platonic was really important because guy-girl friendships are perpetuated as romantic... as a girl I've been shipped with almost every single guy friend I have even though I'm omni with a pref for girls/nb
@@stupidme800 true, at least they were consistent on the idea of focusing on friendships both with boys and boys and boys and girls. The straights sometimes do seem to need a reminder that you can be friends with the gender you're attracted to
It wasn't. The creator said so himself. He said that it isn't an lgbtq oriented film. It could be interpreted as such but it isn't. It's as u said about the platonic relationship of the two boys
@@chickensadist7554 yeah i couldn't care less about he said. Most gay icons didn't intend to be so, as expectators we have power over what we take from a piece of art and as You can see from the amount of likes and comments on this vídeo, the lgbtq+ community has talked and said it is a queer movie
@@distorityedan3081 but it doesn't matter what anyone else says even if the half the world said the movie was lgbtq it doesn't matter. The only credible word is the creator/creators. The movie is about 2 boys who become platonic friends and discover that they are different from the rest. There is no romance in the movie nor should there be taking into account that the movie is about elementary children.
Hey, its almost 3 years later and they're officially queer, a person from the crew posted(at least i think) drawings of them 😮😮😮!! kissing!!! And being just gay folks. So yeah we were all right, they're gay 😁 woohoo we won
I remember hearing that they did want to make Giulia gay, but apparently couldn't figure out how to do it without giving her a love interest and they didn't want there to be any romance in it. Which is absolutely wild since there's so many ways you can signal that a character isn't straight.
Old comment and I am sorry but YES like a pride flag in her room or like just an off handed comment about it or something like that-
i think they did a good enough job with her cuffed pants
@@angelcloudcosplay4141 yea it’s not that hard is it? I mean in the Mitchell’s vs the machines (also very good movie) the main character Katie is supposedly gay or lgbtq as we see hints around her room (like a post saying ‘Sarah will you go to prom with me?’ Or smth like taht and a pride pin, like there are subtle ways of doing it
@@tarathoughts13 yea (I love that movie) there are a lot of ways to do it being subtle like you said how they did it in the TMVTM movie they could’ve added like a rainbow thing on her book or like idk something Lmao-
@@angelcloudcosplay4141 they but I get why they didn’t due to censorship or whatever - plus I actually liked it, idk they treated her being gay so normally
As an autistic Aro/Ace woman the trailers for Luca spoke to my experience growing up closeted, without the language for what I was dealing with or anyone that I felt safe talking to.
I just wish that Disney would fully acknowledge Luca as being a queer movie, not only because a movie like this will have given me the tools and confidence to start exploring my identity sooner, but I know that Luca has definitely reached a lot of LGBTQA+ people who have also needed to see themselves in a positive light and also in a way that clearly speaks to them.
As for me I am planning to buy the DVD and watch the movie again.
I think(im not sure) the reason why they didn't market it as an LGBTQ film is because it will be banned in a number of countries and because this is a children's movie parents would not let their kids watch this,,,,the movie would not be as succesful if labeled as just a normal pixar film about seamonsters:>
they are just friends. The Director confirmed that
@@Evancore-u6v the director isn't the writer for the movie :)
@@Nichika_Mitsu it’s his movie technically so if he says it’s
Not gay it’s probably not gay
@@Evancore-u6v you are more blind than a bat lol
found family is the gayest trope hands down. I love when media has a found family trope and then the creators are surprised when the fanbase becomes overwhelmingly LGBTQ+
Wait what
Luca is obviously gay but where'd you get 'family', they're obviously romantic and families don't do romantic context
@@Berries20 the name of the trope is called found family, It's basically "your blood family rejects you or abandons you in some way so you create your own family" look it up babe.
@@rainpuppies Nah, i know what found family is, but isn't family itself (whether blood related or not) is supposed to be platonic?
Luca is not platonic
@@Berries20 I don’t understand your train of thought… found family are not related they’re basically a group of friends so there can be romantic interactions in the general trope
@@Berries20 two people in a romantic relationship can form a family imo. And in that case the family isn’t just about Luca and Alberto, as it also involves Giulia and possibly Giulia’s father
This aged really well
Ok but think about it, if Alberto was a girl, there would be no doubt about it that people would say they were in love. But since he’s a guy they’re “just friends”. Obviously two guys show platonic affection, BUT EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS MOVIE IS A METAPHOR please how can do many people deny it 😭
EXACTLY my god it’s like so annoying-
Every Pixar fan would compare it to Ellie and Carl from Up. The comparisons are there already. The timid, soft-spoken boy and the boisterous, free-spirited adventuring one. It’s a lot like Luca and Alberto.
@@Nightman221k WAIT YES HOW DID I NOT SEE THAT
Is your argument really "but what if ..."? What are you, Tucker Carlson?
I believe the creators denied it. Sort of a big one
To everyone saying in these comments that thinking luca is gay is an "american" thing : I'm very much european, thanks, queer people in Europe also exist (shocking right ? I know/s) and i cried so much during this movie, because I could relate to a lot of things luca had to deal with (i am not a see monster though). Having to hide who you really are, people saying you're a monster or a disgusting thing, is something we, as a whole community, face regularly. The truth is, no one is forcing you to like this interpretation, but if you could just once consider it as an interesting point of view on this movie instead of showing all your lovely homophobia and shallow mind by commenting that "it's not gay cause the creator said it", life would be better for everyone. And I DO NOT CARE what the creator said. I, as a person, am FREE to INTERPRET this movie in the way I want, so are other queer people, so are people who believe this movie is an allegory for lgbtq+ people. Live and let live, damn.
well said, thank you! 😊
I am Slavic and I too think they are gay
Bit late to the comment section, but hello from South East Asia :) Fighting for equality is not an American trend, we exist everywhere.
“This is heterosexual and platonic, even if there is nothing gayer than astrology”
I JUST CAN’T STOP LAUGHING!!!!!!!!
I broke my heart when I heard my dad say "it's that damn school" after he found out that my sister is pan... That, no way she was pan, it had to be the school that made her THINK that! It generally broke my heart... It broke my heart even more that he was to much of a coward to say it to her, or anyones face... I still hate that I heard those words... I wish I could go back, and never hear him say those words... I won't ever tell him the full truth of who I am because he said those words... He won't ever know I'm not his daughter, but merly his child, because I'm non-binary, he will never get to know the true me... I put up a wall and say It doesn't bother me none, but It does, it dose bother me! It makes me cry sometimes... He'd never understand why I want to change my name, or go by different pronouns... And I don't ever plan on explaining it to him...
THE ENDING SONG IS A ROMANTIC SONG THAT TALKS ABOUT A WOMAN WAITING FOR HER LOVER TO COME BACK
WHAT
@@luvvpriyaa yes!! Città vuota di Mina
I watched Luca with my boyfriend (we're both males) and didn't tell anything about the queerness of the movie and at one point he said "Hey Alberto obviously has a crush on Luca and he's jealous of Luca's relationship with Giulia" I was like YESS!! He got it!