Ocean Waves - Studio Ghibli's (Accidental) Queer Film
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 พ.ค. 2024
- I'm pretty freaking sure that Ocean Waves was telling a story it had no intention in telling.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.
Look...just believe me, ok?!
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Sections:
00:00 - Introduction
01:43 - Part 1: The Film
07:10 - Part 2: The Re-telling
12:13 - Part 3: The Rabbit-hole
20:47 - Part 4: The Problems
26:51 - Part 5: The Other Film - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
Thanks for the great video! I'm Japanese and I was one of them though it is pointless and boring until today.
But this line from 11:02 ' I thought she'd never see his value ' (女なんぞにお前の良さは分かりゃせん) makes more sense because it literally says
'Women never understand how great you are'. It's not only RIkako but any women won't be able to understand well like me(Taku).
I searched online but at last I couldn't find anyone see this film in the same perspective in Japanese. About understanding of LGBT, Japan is obviously far behind from western countries and some of my friends suffering from it. But your analysis would make a lot of people feels better because it IS the animated film from one of the most biggest studios as you said. Thanks for your great perspective and all the efforts making this once again.
p.s Says after watched the preview of Ocean Waves, Hayao Miyazaki got really upset about it and made Whisper of the heart instead.(He doesn't like how they made it too)
makes sense, whisper of the heart is such a great film and also somewhat tackles the misunderstandings and issues about liking someone. it just doesn't have that gay-coded factor. but in this case that's good since the main couple actually makes sense (it's one of my favorite ghibli couples) and it's not a forced straight pairing.
Why did Miyazaki not like Whisper of the Heart? It's one of my favourite movies.
@@wariofat he didn't like this one, and made whisper of the heart as a result
@@wariofat He didn't like Ocean Waves and because it looked like full of blur over all, I guess. And he made Whisper of the Heart afterwards which is character's feelings and their relationships are more clearly described.
Thank you for the more specific translation- it's amazing how important language is for the nuance of a story- that interpretation does seem more gay!
The "happy" montage makes it seem like he wants to go see the castle with her just so he can push her of the roof
I love this comment.
I LOVE THIS COMMENT SO MUCH-
this is......exactly what i thought. Thank you, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
omfg...
Now that's a "Happy Ending" . Lol
taku and yukata: **walking together**
the backround music: *_casual sax_*
ya like jazz? 🐝
I thought you said casual sex lol
Scrooge Mcduck saxy jazz
@@rafaelkenny606 ughh we wish
@@dragonboimmdvideos heart been broken💔
I hate it when I accidentally make an incredible piece of LGBTQ media so I have to change it last minute because it’s the 90s.
😂😂😂😂
😂😂 How I felt about When Marnie was there
@@MillyKKitty AAAAAAA RIGHT?? THATS SUCH A QUEER MOVIE BUT 2010s JAPAN WAS HAVIN NONE OF IT💀💀💀💀
@@MillyKKitty YES I ASSUMED THAT WAS THE ENTIRE SET UP UP THE MOVIE WITH THE TWO OF THEM AND THEN THEY SAY SHE WAS HER GRANDMA?
LIKE???
@@Liam-bi7wo lmfao ikr... I watched with my mom and my mom 1st assumed they hv smthing else going on yk (gl)
Taku is way better off with his friend. Rikako needs a therapist and she 100% deserved that slap.
Yup this movie despite being so beautiful, the heroine is not it
She deserves a punch not a slap 😤
@@na0000.0 ngl I used to be a casual bl reader but alot of people stereotyped me as the typical girl who fetishizes mlm and hates wlw just for liking bl. Ever since then even though i want to read bl because i enjoy it i cant because of all these stereotypes from people that make me feel like im a weirdo for liking bl. What im trying to say is not all of us are like that but many people lump everyone who reads bl together with the weird and obsessive type of people. Sorry if this was unnecessary to hear im not very good with words.
@@na0000.0 i never expected you to be more open minded!!❤ usually when i get in an argument with someone they just end up insulting me. Thank you for being so caring hope you have a good day!
@@fatimashaik715 honestly i like reading it if it has a good story to it! Shoot, MLM, WLW, MLW I'll take it all if the story's good!
Film: * SHOWS MONTAGE OF AWFUL EXPERIENCES WITH A GIRL *
also film: * PLAYS ROMANTIC MUSIC *
Viewer: but-
* ROMANTIC MUSIC PLAYS LOUDER *
@Christian Pinchetti Lol, that's pretty much what happened.
Your pfp is perfect 😂
🤣🤣🤣
It seems like the movie was fully intended to be only understood by few people
LMAOOO
"I hadn't noticed til then... " 'YES YES YES' "that you really liked Rikako." NO NO NO.
Talk about a punch in the gut. Oof.
Is that a Jojo reference?
Araki would be proud NSJS
YES YES YES YES *YES*
@@samaassiri7583 yes, yes, yes, oh my god!
I remember watching Ocean Waves and the only thing that stuck were the aesthetic animations and Taku's incredible fashion sense.
Yeah hahah Taku's haircut is my hair goal😂
@@teissi I stole that guy's drip so bad in the last few years, rewatching the vid made me realise just how much I used his style as an inspiration
Same !!!
Definitely
YES
The thing with him liking the girl because Yutaka likes her, is something I've literally seen with a friend in Highschool before he realized he liked men. He was full bromance with his best friend but then went after the girl his friend liked, only to get her, mess up his friendship, dump her and years later come to a realization he loved Marco and not the girl. He never reconciled but his former friend was/is straight and he doesnt want to make things awkward by butting into his life now days.
This sounds like the start of becoming an isolationist... like me.
@@ExtremeWreckhey I know this was a while ago but take good care of yourself
Perfectly Sad. :(
(saves as a writing prompt later..)
@@ExtremeWreck Take care! There's a world out there where an LGBT person can have a life. Hugs.
@@cnj67 Thank you for that heartwarming comment!
“YOU IDIOT!! YOU’RE THE WORST” *happy music intensifies*
LMAO
BEST COMMENT 😂😂😂😂😂😂
LMFAOOO
*happy laugh*
*sigh* those happy happy memories
"They can go off and be boring together. Drinking sodas on the roof as the sun shines down on their banal existence." Such poetry!
I want that. It's the kind of thing I've missed for a few years.
Rebecca sometimes boring is better 🥺
Omg was gonna point this out as well hahahaha only to see someone does before me. Kudos!
Ok
@@noneofyourbeeswaxquinton My wife and I love our 'boring' existence. We don't argue, we don't fight, we don't swing, go out clubbing or cheat. We have a beautiful daughter and a son on the way. We have enjoyed this 'boring' life together for half of our lives...
Seems like many would prefer an exciting, drama ridden romance. I'll take my happy, boring life with my family any day. I mean, we are moving to Japan soon (after this stupid COVID asshole goes away) so I guess it isn't super boring ^^
okay so as a mixed kid with a japanese mother, i watched this film when i was very young. when i was in primary school if i'm not wrong, and that was wayy before i knew queer people existed. but EVEN SO, 8 year old me could tell there was something going on between taku and matsuno/yutaka. like y'all "from that moment on, matsuno's place in my heart was always different from my other friends."（それ以来、僕の中で松野がいる場所はいつも他の連中とは違っていた）there is absolutely no hetero explanation for that line. i just rewatched this movie today as a 15 year old queer teen and found this video and i couldn't agree more, everything you said was spot on. also, i am still PISSED about the "you really liked rikako" line, ruined everything
PLS??? omg. Also love our matching yoongi pfps
yesss!!
It was some sort of sacrifice he has to do tho, i hope "by now" yutaka realise dating rikako is a huge mistake. sure nuff theyll broke up. jahahah we deserve a short sequel . :P;P
LOLOL FR AND THERE'S ALSO THE TIME WHEN TAKU SAID HE GOT A LITTLE IRRITATED WHEN MATSUNO WAS TALKING ALL ABOUT MUTOU
I think a lot of queer movies in Asia are officially hetero. It is legal to make queer content, but you'll condemn yourself to niche films and being an interesting poor person with little financing of your ideas.
I've watched a lot of K-drama and there are so many queer characters who just get like, a sticker with "definitely hetero" at some point in the show.
Like that friend with the fastfood restaurants in It's Okay not to be Okay. Hetero? Yeah, sure, let's just say that.
Kang Tae-oh in Run on ... not bi at all!
And the ending of Doom at Your Service? Kang Tae-oh and Doom ... they're don't have a cute meet promising sweet, sweet love at all, Oh, no, Doom will definitely be fine with the female lead who has obviously lost all interest in him.
Etc. ... There are some beautiful and/or interesting LGBT depictions in a lot of films, but they all have to be able to pass as hetero to get funding.
One reading of the movie that I like that doesn’t change anything is that Yutaka was intentionally misleading Taku when he tells Taku that he liked Rikako. He tries to salvage some closure for Taku since he knows he and Taku can’t be together. Because he loves and trusts Yutaka so much, Taku believes him and reframes his horrible memories of Rikako as romantic. After the movie, Taku and Rikako likely have a short and miserable relationship.
This doesn’t fix Rikako’s character though. I literally dont think you can without a rewrite of the script.
Yes, I like this
This paragraph is so difficult to read
@@rose-so2js ok
@@rose-so2js OP basically said that after the pier scene Taku was reframing his relationship with Rikako as romantic, leading him to pursuing a relationship which is destined to fail. This basically leads to a Taku riddled by heteronormativity, so he basically was never truely aware of his feelings for Yutaka and reframed everything around Rikako after Yutaka's input at the pier, simply because this is easier to cope, due to internalised heteronormativity and homophobia. He never really actively cared for her before, he just was nice, maybe because he knew she was important for Yutaka, maybe because he actually had feelings for her, who knows. OP also said that Yutaka actually knew about Taku's true feelings and only framed everything around Rikako to save Taku the pain of an unfulfilled love with him. Though I personally can't agree with this interpretation, how should Yutaka see the truth through his own lense of heteronormativity? I'd rather say that he interpreted Taku's past relation to Rikako as romantic, simply because a) he could've never imagined being Taku's actual love interest and b) Taku got pretty close to Rikako, maybe closer than he ever got (especially with the Tokyo trip), so there must've been a motive behind Taku's actions and for Yutaka, the most logical answer was Taku being in love with her, but holding back to not hurt his best friend. So that's how it got framed in the film, maybe it's just that or maybe it actually is a queer story which never was allowed to grow due to heteronormativity and also the still prevalent homophobia of Japanese society.
Edit: and now that I think of it, Taku reframing his relationship with Rikako goes pretty well with the actual structure of the film, since Taku is retelling his past relationship with Rikako until they meet each other again at the train station.
And also, considering Taku a victim of heteronormativity isn't that farfetched, since in this case he'd think that a heterosexual relationship is what's desirable and what he needs to pursue. This leads him to never truely experiencing love, since he misinterpretes the true value of his feelings for Yutaka and instead chases after a "right" relationship, unable to understand that this won't be fulfilling, since he mistakes his platonic feelings for Rikako as love, due to him a) never truely experiencing love before and b) believing that he only can and must love women and that he already experienced this with Rikako or will truely experience it once they get together. Well, that's how I believed things to be until I got through heteronormativity, so why shouldn't Taku experience something similar?
Bruh this movie you can literally screenshot any scene and there’s a 90% chance that it’s the title screen for a lofi playlist. From Yutaka looking at Taku while he looks out the window in their school uniforms to Taku watching the train pass by even a scene of Rikako tiring her hair in a bun. Every scene from this movie can be used as an aesthetic.
more like a 100% cuz i definitely listened to at least 2 playlists with that as background
Whispers of the Heart also has very aesthetic scenes
Omg yess i noticed that haha
i definitely saw this movie in a loft, that’s actually how i heard about it
@@Lilstiffsocks69 actually it's not about old or new art. Older anime art was very detailed in parts like hair, eyes and clothes, newer anime is simpler in those aspects (it depends on the art style of each anime tho). Studio Ghibli have always had this unique and simple art style because it's their style, not because of old or new. _(I know it's a very weird grammar but I'm actually a Spanish speaker)_
I just essentially watch a dude go over his favorite ship that didn't become canon.
IKR lmaoo
But like... He right
underrated comment
He wanted the ship to sail but alas it went over like a boiled potato shipped with a dress shirt 😔
Eitakou truly heartbreaking.
i swear that castle part when taku is recalling all of that "good memories" with rikako feels like a painfully obvious way of telling the viewers that was all a lie, that what they really wanted to do was a taku + yutaka thing but they couldn't so they just left that message ... it's just unbelievable for me that taku and rikako actually had a relationship after that, didn't they hate each other?
she was just a tsundere.
@@aerodyte6908 can't be a tsundere with no "dere" moments
@@aerodyte6908 cant be a tsundere if youre just straight up manipulative with no redeeming qualities. theres no endearing scenes or any moments where her 'love' for Taku shines through.
@@aerodyte6908 that's like telling the Grinch loved Christmas
@@aerodyte6908nope. she was just a horrible person.
the belly laugh i gave when they showed him reminiscing while staring at the castle with sentimental music playing, only for the first words we hear from rikako to be "could you lend me some money?" ahahahahahaha
"Chemistry of a boiled potato and a dress shirt" is the imagery I never knew I needed
enemies with benefits slow burn 210k words
Dress shirt’s been starched with potato flour...
Even that has more chemistry.
Let’s pretend the last sentence doesn’t exist and the two confess their love for one another and live happily ever after, they open a restaurant together, everyone thinks they are just two very good friends opening a business together but they actually got secretly married in the sunset
THAT'S BEAUTIFUL I NEEDED THIS.
Oh yeah that'd be the best 😭😭
thank you for saying this i needed it
don’t forget them either getting a pet together or adopting a child
Writing a wholesome fanfic about this
There is no way the castle scene with her lines playing was meant to be happy memories. It sounds like satire. I simply refuse to believe the creators meant it to be a happy, nostalgic montage.
I have seen romantisized relationships built mostly on quarrels, but this seems a bit much. And I mean, I don't remember the film, but are there any moments where you'd feel any kind of repressed attraction between him and the girl?
Some quiet moment where you feel they could kiss if they didn't start fighting again? DOesn't seem like it, but any of you remember the details better?
I feel like this movie tried to make an enemy to lovers or tsundere trope thing, but like forgot the part where they're supposed to show some kind of attraction together and instead it's just them having shitty moments and calling it love
"Yutaka has the charisma of a dilapidated cardboard box, and Taku is not that far off. Which you could use as evidence for how compatible they are" when I tell you I gasped-
LMAOO
That coment its awesome lol
Dude I laughed so hard at this comment so freaking hard I can't 😂😂😂😂
ikr lmao see theyre perfect for each other
"It really irritated me when I realized that Yutaka was interested in Rikako... Forget it...! She'll never see his real value."
WOW that is some damningly gay dialogue
p.s. I'm glad this movie is getting some focus, if only so people can listen to the soundtrack. I watched the movie once, and I still think about the soundtrack 5 years on.
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I dont know tbh, I felt the same way as Taku when one of my best friends is crushing on someone. I get overprotective because they matter to me a lot.
_if you could see that im the one who understands you, been here all along so why can’t you see?”_
Francesca Alberici give it a rest, you’re under every comment for christ sake.
HAHAHAH IT IS
This video was more entertaining than the actual film
As a straight male, I thought from the first 10 minutes Ghibli may have actually given us a gay film, and I was pumped. The movie kinda sucked with it's real ending, so in my head it just stops after the reunion scene. And honestly, I feel like the director would prefer it that way. It was so obvious that they were gay for each other or something. But it's Ghibli in the 80's, 90's? It *needed* to have this ending, but I think it was meant to have your ending
Considering that it was based on a book that had this same ending, I'm *pretty sure* the creator was one of *THOSE* people.
@@ExtremeWreck what’s the name of the book?
@@wweeo53 I have no idea, Wikipedia doesn't say jack crap about it.
@@wweeo53i’m late, but it’s based on a book of the same title as the non-american adapted title, “i can hear the sea” by saeko himuro.
Ghibli studio has provided the best movies with a female perpective, the most respectful depiction of female gender roles, without the yucky syrup of mysticism (Like, some films have that "a mother always knows exactly, what ... " bla bla bla. Or "Little girls just love cleaning, and they are neat while doing so!")
But in Ghibli film girls struggle with artistic blackouts, depression of a kind, (like Kiki and her painter (girl)friend) and when they work hard - also with very traditional girl's stuff - they are being cool and practical, not adorable. Like in Howl's moving Castle, but also CHihiro.
What I see is a studio led by someone who has a special place in his heart for the feminine, non-patriarchal perspective.
it's the fact that the movie is called "ocean waves" and yet the only scene where a wave is present is when the two of them went to the pier. yep, that sealed it. this movie never really had rikako in the picture.
omg I had to scroll down so much but I’m glad I finally found someone else pointing that out
I was shocked with this movie. 😱
Francesca Alberici bro let them have it :/
@@francescaalberici9950 ...did u just copy pasted this reply? How low are you? 😬
@@francescaalberici9950 lmao why are you so pressed about everyone else's opinion? That's how they interpret the movie so you don't have to copy then paste your statements down everybody's throats :/
My literature professor once said “you’re never wrong when analyzing a book, if you find enough evidence and run with it you’ll be ok”
And you just did that with this
My English teacher failed me for doing that
cyclone
What a wet hot dog...
BRAVO that teacher!!!
HAHA that's pretty every literature teacher xD
@@saltations_ The irony
I'm kind of just dying over the fact that all you could say for minutes was how boring the movie was and then as soon as the sunset scene came in you were so invested lol. Such a funny juxtaposition
i mean you can pull me into any piece of media if you say it has queer undertones
okay so I just finished watching the movie and let me say that Taku was clearly annoyed with Rikako even when she asked for money, he offered $300 (US dollar) for her to use for the rest of the trip. then she rudely ask for a 6k- at the elevator he was shocked how she could ask for so much so rudely, and when she left right after getting the money it's as of he isn't surprised, he told Yutaka right away despite her telling him not to tell anyone because people like Rikako just don't deserve that type of respect when they don't respect you that much either.
the whole trip she treated Taku like he's some object to throw around, even her father didn't really consider him as important. Taku WAS annoyed and disappointed and looked like he regretted going there the whole trip. That table scene was his last straw to the idea that he had in the beginning that she was cool, strong or whatever. I had known people in the past that would call me over just to fill space, thinking they are cool and want someone that they think they can impress. She then comes back and reveal that she did just wants to brag.
even the way she talks about the hotel stay is in a way that makes it seem like they did something. what confuses me was how she knew well that Yutaka and Taku are close friends, and that Yutaka likes her but she went out after rejecting him rudely to plant the idea that she slept with his best friend Taku to make him sadder. Taku was mad how she used that to make his friend feel so bad and to cause misunderstanding between them.
something to note is that when Rikako slapped him he wasn't even hurt by it but slapped her back HARDER cause she has no right to be mad at him when he didn't do her any wrong.
But when Yutaka punched him he was so hurt, he knows he didn't do anything wrong to him but forgave him right away. he was probably hurt that Yutaka still likes Rikako and was mad over her but even when he saw that she hurt him, he punched him and left.
I thought that Rikako and Taku stopped talking to eachother for good... but then the ending where it's revealed that he liked her all along was so out of the blue, unlogical and unrealistic to be the case. he was never happy with her, whenever they were together, he was bored, annoyed, regretted helping her, and felt like he wasted his time with her.
it would of been better if they changed the dialogue when Yutaka speaks to "I realized you *didn't* like Rikako, it was a misunderstanding" or "she wasn't nice to you at all that's why you didn't help her" and "She wasn't nice to either of us to begin with and I childishly ruined our friendship over her... I'm so sorry"
then they continue with the comfortable silence watching the sunset or gaze at eachother then we start hearing faint conversations between them as the music get louder signaling that they are in good terms again.
after the get together they walk together again and say something along the lines of "see you tomorrow"
Then the movie end ✨
a platonic relationship would of honestly been better than THAT random ending we got
This is actually the best ending that won't seem like an insult to their while dynamic. Such wasted opportunity
They went “They are in love with each other....but their not gay”
"They were best friends, they thought about each other, left work early for each other, called the other for company just because they wanted to see each other, but also they're straight no homo btw see them standing 5 feet apart?"
That's... just what having a good friend is like. Y'all f*@kin' lonely.
@@rathalomaniac6212 if it was straight you would say it’s true love.
Just what a lot of movies/tv shows keep doing in this year of Lord 2020, unfortunately 🥴
@@adrianrandom3448 nah they not best friends they both pretty
Ghibli: The boy likes the girl
us and eliquorice: *heehoo they gay*
Bullshoooot the girl and boy didn't even get each other
Edit: Nevermind
@@itexplodes3824 WAIT FR
Edit: damnit...
@@Loonaurtheworld well we aren't sure! It cuts before shit happens!!
@@itexplodes3824 AYYYY
Edit: I celebrated too soon.
water drinker I was actually looking for a comment like this. I read gay into a lot of things, but ocean waves wasn’t one of them. What I saw in this movie was exactly what I got at face value. Dumb, horny high schooler doing dumb dramatic high school things. Taku’s frustration with Rikako comes from wanting her to pay attention to him, and from being disappointed with who she really was. I can kind of see how Taku can be read as gay for Yutaka, but it honestly just read like a good friendship to me. I mean, if a close friend of mine suddenly got a crush on someone, I’d be a little jilted too. I think we’ve gained an obsession with looking at the world through a rainbow filter. Just because Rikako is a bitch doesn’t mean that Taku couldn’t have been into her. I dunno, this whole analysis screams of overthinking to me. Some things are what they are.
If I had a nickel for every time Ghibli has made a gay movie that’s not actually gay but should be gay cos it’d make the story so much better and the fact that it isn’t ruins the movie,
I’d have two nickels which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice
Ps. The other movie is When Marnie Was There
😢😢
I know!! I was looking for a comment mentioning that movie omg
2 years late but OH MY GOD, THE ENDING FOR WHEN MARNIE WAS THERE MADE ME PHYSICALLY RECOIL INTO MYSELF.............I SHIPPED ANNA AND MARNIE SO MUCH AND THEN THE ENDING FELT LIKE A SLAP TO THE FACE....
I had to take a longggg break after the plot twist because?? Why??? Would they make it like that??? They were obviously written to be interpreted as lovers...Marnie even called Anna 'My dear Anna'...man. I was so disappointed with it
I KNOW RIGHT LIKEIT S SO RARE TO SEE SAPPHIC FILMS IN GENERAL, LET ALONE SUCH A BEAUTIFUL, CHARMING AND MAGICAL ONE LIKE WHEN MARNIE WAS THERE, I WAS SO GLAD TO HAVE FOUND IT UNTIL THE FUCKING SHIT ENDING OMG. LESBIAN NEVER GET ANYTHING GOOD AT ALL WE HAVE NOTHING@@youreasimp5232
@youreasimp5232 Never too because wtf were they thinking making it?? Was it just a bunch of oblivious straight people who thought because they're both girls there's no way it couldn't be seen as platonic or did they just not see if any other way because they knew the twist but viewers going in blind DID NOT see it as platonic!
To add to your theory of "retelling of the scenes", that castle scene with Rikako's lines were probably Taku's enlightenment that he didn't like her at all. He was letting her go at that point
This boy is like: I sure do love being used, belittled, manipulated and yelled at
He developed abuse attachment/ Stockholm Syndrome :'( That bit is so fucked up, the sequence is funny but those real life situations give me chills and made me feel terrible for people trapped in hell with an abuser.
@@shejutisengupta6114 he doesn't even think she's hot😭😭
at least he slapped her that one time 🤣
Kinky
That's because he's really a sub bottom but neither he nor his authors has had time to realise that and come to terms with it. But really not all that uncommon.
With her character, I think they were trying to write a “cunning, mischievous girl who acts on emotion” but ended up writing a controlling biatch XD
didn't watch this but she comes of as a sociopath! lol
yea, some of her actions, are....
She really annoyed me, the way she treated him and all >:v
@mehazad rahman she looks cute but when you watch it you'll get to know why everyone hates her lol
@@waterdrinker4033 i think because you are working in that field you might considere it is not always a good thing to allowed children to be self centered and selfish. They are like that by nature and enabling that instinctice behavior doesnt prepare them well to the world out there. They won't always be the little prince and princess of their world. Rikako has a very problematic behavior that wasnt corrected because of an obviously too permissive but also dismissive familly and it makes her miserable in all the movie. I see her as a cautionary tale about spoiled children that are let on the lose. They are not ready for the world and get frustrated and broken by it
And the way Rikako didn’t atone for any of her wrongdoings & how much trouble she caused for multiple people. And in the end the film presents her as some innocent, sweet, and emotionally well-adjusted girl?
To that I say BLEARGH!
Ahaha my sentiments exactly
Right? I’m like… they KNOW they are writing an asshole so what is the point?
That mean girls exist? And they often just get away with stuff? That everyone has a mean side?
Maybe this is a Japanese vs western thing that in the west we typically have a moral or point of some kind. If there was no point then that’s just real life, random and meaningless, and there would be nothing particular about it to make it worth sharing as a story. Even Camus’ the stranger offers more gratification than this.
Right? I’m like… they KNOW they are writing an asshole because she is SO incredibly rude and he clearly looks mad several times and they even hit each other. Her being a shitty person is not ambiguous whatsoever so what is the point of telling this story that hinges on this particular shitty person?
That mean girls exist? That they know how to appear as good girls? That everyone has a mean side?
Maybe this is a Japanese vs western thing that in the west we typically have a fairly defined moral or point of some kind when telling a story. If there was no point then that’s just real life, random and meaningless, it would be like rambling. But even “my dinner with Andre” makes rambling engaging, like even though they’re just talking without direction it becomes clear that the point is: “this is what a good conversation feels like.”
Camus’ the stranger in all of its meaninglessness offers more gratification than this. That story is framed appropriately to what it offers, this story is framed as if it’s going somewhere or means something and then just … ??
Not gonna lie, usually whenever people say a movie has queer undertones and stuff like that, it always seems like they're trying to find the gay in something that doesn't have it. Ironically, the one time when being gay makes a lot of sense in the context of the film, they go out of their way to force a straight moment. I genuinely believe it would have made sense to emphasize a gay relationship in this film because of how the female love interest seems to have no redeeming qualities, while the best friend is always there for him. There was potential.
honestly, most best friend relationships in media seems to have better chemistry than the actual. not just gay, though the trope is VERY RAMPANT, but straight stuff too. i feel seriously bad for all the second lead best friend characters.
watching this movie with my mom, at the dock scene she says "why are they so far from eachother? why are they not holding hands?"
mum, i just got to show this video to you, you'll love it!
Your mother has patience...
She’s askin the real questions
Then there is my mom.... ._.
@@FandomFrenzy she a homophobe?
@@uglyduckling1724 y es
Most cathartic moment: When Taku finally gives Rikako the bitch-slap she deserved. Yes, she had tough things going on in her life, as well. But a lot of people do and still manage not to be absolute bitches to everyone else.
I just laughted so hard in this moment and after this I screamed "YEEEEEEES THAT'S WHAT I WAS WAITING FOR"
Not only is she a jerk, but I get the impression her comments on disliking people from Kochi likely have a lot more weight to an audience with knowledge of the sociopolitical context. There's a lot of regional discrimination within the same country, in much of the world (as an American, I don't think we quite have an equivalent, since much less of our history and culture is tied to our current geographical location), and it seems comparable to her being portrayed as a racist or classist.
She specifically says she doesn't like boys from Kochi or their local dialect, and the school activity she's being called out for not participating in looks like it's probably a local tradition.
I'm honestly glad that somebody is smart enough to recognize that she had it coming, instead of defending her simply because she's a girl.
yea mate i also really liked that he just straight up slapped her back , like a lot of people would be like "oooh u cant hit a girl" meanwhile this bish be slapping taku left and right every second like its okay
"Just because she has some kind of *insert disadvantages* doesn't make her some sort of saints"
literally bring me back to this skit lol
th-cam.com/video/WZYoC_ga9bc/w-d-xo.html
It was refreshing to watch an analysis of a female character that is aware and sensitive to sexist tropes in media
I really thought I’d love every movie Ghibli ever produced until I watched Ocean Waves.
Thankfully, this video exists and I can enjoy the movie in a different way!
I can’t write good chemistry between characters but this movie does it by accident?? dang
lol same
It's not by accident. They're just masking their true intentions for the characters.
Mood honestly
Lel
Bruv im the 4k th like demn
I lose it at "a chemistry of a boiled potato and a dress shirt" LMAO
IDK about you but when I starch my dress shirts they ALWAYS end up HARD as a rock 😉
I was not prepared for how funny the reminiscent sequence is.
Movie's last line is Taku saying "Ah, I think I was in love with her madly." which made me believe that he convinced himself that he loved her at that moment. We didn't see any love or even platonic moments untill last 10 mins. It didn't feel like a romantic movie :/
i love how everyone just accepted the two boys being the true canon pair i-
lmao how does this have no replies 😳
@@justbonnie501
Oh god yeah
We’ve come far as a society
I like really want them to be together ngl
@@gabrielbors5070 in our universal canon fantasies, they are.
4:48
*She slaps him*
oh..
*He slaps her back*
OOOOOHHHHHH!!!!!!
Best comment 😂
EQUALLY BITCHES
He slaps him*
Me: OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
He believes in gender equality. Lol
HAHAHAHA
I don’t understand why, but I keep on finding myself coming back to this video. It’s just so.. well made
The montage of “happy memories” did me in lmaooooo
He clearly did not have feelings for her. I mean that flashback with all these cringe moments about her clearly are not a flashback of someone he has any love for.
@@waterdrinker4033 why would you say that? Explain pls.
water drinker But dude, he’s only reminiscing of the bad things, because there are no good things! She has zero redeeming qualities, or atleast Taku never saw any of them!
@@waterdrinker4033 others have already answered for me.
water drinker Maybe? Depends where you’re from? I can literally only see bad, what to you is good? (I’m not trying to be rude btw)
Exactly
this movie really seems like the original intention was to actually be lgbt+ but they weren't allowed to actually do it like that so they just left the subtle hints
Yeah I feel the same!
*cough cough* road to El Dorado *cough*
Lol with 24:13 it isn't so subtle something is very wrong
@@metawarp7446 "ah yes, the love of my life. my manipulator. my abuser. my bully. my crushes friend. also, she told me I should stop sleeping in bathtubs once. that one."
@@auseridk.9690 That felt 2 minutes from saying bisexual-poly-rights.
might I add that 90% of their conversations go like "hey what's up check out hot girl" "haha" "ok see u later"
Okay. Can we all take a moment to appreciate this guy on how amazingly he analysed this movie which most people would not even watch 20 min with full attention.
History books would say:
They were great friends
Just like Abraham Lincoln and the other guy
@@oswaldogonzalez4028 wait what
oswaldo gonzalez yeah wait what??!
Guy: "...and I loved him like I loved nothing bevor"
History book: "And they where friends!"
*Alexander Hamilton has joined the chat *
Yutaka: I hadn't noticed 'til then...
Me: yes... yES!
Yutaka: that you liked Rikako.
Me: HELL NO--
My exact reaction 👊🏻😔
I was literally SHOOK
It’s just a huge facepalm
EXACTLY ME
That was so surreal, like wtf
I watched this when I was pretty young, and the first and last thing I thought about this film was: Damn, Rikako is so toxic.
Real talk, I thought the same thing about those 2 being gay. It makes so much sense, it explains Taku's character and why he acts the way he does, the ending where Taku likes Rikako doesn't make any sense based off the story we saw. Rikako could have been more interesting if the story was told from her perspective and she had subtle moments of being really nice, but they just didn't execute her well. I liked Yutaka's character, mostly because I found Taku's fascination with him to be interesting. This is a bit of a tangent, but I really like Taku's drip when he was in Tokyo, it was simple but stylish.
"They can go off and be boring together, drinking sodas on the rooftop as the sun shines down on their banal existence." lol relationship GOALS!
Yeah, that's one point where I REALLY disagreed with the narrator, denigrating a peaceful comfortable life. If only unrequited love were the biggest problem in everyone's life. Far too many people are still struggling with the lowest tiers of Maslow's hierarchy.
Relationship goallsss
@@tReadYT Yeah true. :(
also it‘s kinda disturbing how the movie‘s called „ocean waves“ and literally the only and single time we see the ocean in the whole movie is in that confessional scene with taku and yakato at the pier, hinting that really the movie was all about them after all.
Omg I thought the same hing
exactly!! i feel like they hinted it to us that the movie is actually about taku being a closed gay and loving his best friend.
while i agree with u i think that wasnt what the creators meant to make cuz yeah he was with his best friend at the ocean but he confessed about the girl well thats why its called accidental after all they we understand that scene differently than what they wanted it to mean...well ours is a lot better than the original idea tho
OP YOUR MIND
My teacher once said " some titles have hidden meanings "
And in order to find the hidden meaning of the title you need to know whats the nature of the title
“i hadn’t noticed until then ………………….. that you really liked rikako.”
stares directly into the camera.
I love this video because it’s the literal embodiment of that one tumblr post that goes something like « why would you like media that is good when you can instead like media that is bad and just pace around your room like an insane person thinking about What If It Was Good?? »
24:32 It's like someone having flashbacks of an emotionally abusive relationship but set with romantic music... it's So many levels of wrong
ikr
Exactly! Change the music to something sad and dramatic and watch how it actually lines up. That relationship was abusive and toxic
Editing is everything
I'm not really into the gay theory I think rikako and taku they both liked each other but they couldn't Express it in a nice way rikako had already psychology issues because of her family divorce and taku is normally gets angry fast and he didn't want to admit that he loves rikako because he knows that yutaka loves her so that's why rikako and taku both of them had their own struggles to admit their feelings toward each other but they were comfortable with each other enough to open up these weaknesses to each other
And for the slap scene that he thought was dumb what I think is while all people around riakako seemed to hate her specially girls and in that scene she fights with them and being rude with the girls while taku is watching the fight... after the fight taku compliments her and said she did a great job facing all these girls and even make a girl cry
After what taku said it seemed to rikako he is the only person that got her back and supported her and loved everything she did even the bad ones so she got emotional and slapped him or maybe slapped him cuz she thinks how fool is taku because he is rooting her for something not nice but still supporting her and again she got emotional and thought she doesn't deserve this kind of nice compliments of him(rikako sure she has self esteem issues after they got close because of the trip they had together after that she immediately pushed him away cuz she thought that is better for him he is kind and she is not and she thought he deserves better than her and that's why she ignored her plus she didn't want him to get any kind of harm so she Ignored him so the rumours that they dating will be reduce)
And there is kinda another proof that rikako likes taku after the fight he asks taku how long he is been there she was worried that he realised that rikako is not a nice girl she cared about his opinion about her after the fight and again after she knows that he was there throughout the whole fight and still supporting her she was happy but emotional so she slapped him for the reason the I mentioned
The love of my life, the girl who extorted me, treated me like shit and slapped me across the face
11 minutes in and I forgot that this wasn’t a “are they gay” episode
we all know the answer to that anyway
Yutaka have kind of bissexual vibes-
now i wish someone will make an animatic of "is he gay or european?" for taku
@@aman7930 he is gay AND european!
but lmao yes I wish someone would do that too
@AlanisNeedsSomebody2Love but- I thought he was Japanese...
I still hold that When Marnie was There would have been a queer masterpiece if not for the incredibly important fact that Marnie is Anna's grandmother. Important on both the level that 1: incest is gross and 2: the entire story kind of hinges on this detail and Anna's process of forgiving Marnie for dying and leaving her. If I hadn't gone into the film knowing the real relationship between Marnie and Anna the ending would have been pretty jarring because their relationship throughout the film hardly feels like one of a grandmother and granddaughter. Still really liked the movie though.
saw ocean waves, the ending completely threw me off, knew that a youtuber must have done something about it, thanks man couldn’t have slept peacefully without this
Oh yeah there’s no nicer memory than a girl telling you you’re stupid and taking your money. True love 10/10
Honestly she could literally spit on him and it'd be a "touching moment" between the two.
that's straight people in a nutshell lol
not to sound desperately sapphic but man i wish a girl would tell ME i'm stupid and take my money 10/10 would date
Can someone give me the link to the soundtrack that's playing at 6:29 pleaaseeee
Okay so my boyfriend introduced me to this movie a few months back and I couldn't help but rant about these things along the way. He told me the movie was really nice - and don't get me wrong I love the aesthetic, the music, the guys, but after getting real annoyed with the girl I was wondering was I in the wrong for judging too harshly? Kinda nice to know I wasn't the only one that saw an issue with her behavior and the outcome >.>
I feel like that castle scene was just a protest because they didn't let the creative team make this film gay enough
😂😂😂😂😂
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nice sunny pfp
LITERALY
@EXO Kai is my Michael Jackson :0
Im going to watched it
The whole "reminiscing over the Tokyo trip" scene was making my head hear Penny from Snapcube shouting "WHATS WRONG WITH STRAIGHT PEOPLE"
I go back and rewatch this video at least twice a year. It’s so calming and interesting
I bet one of the writers was like “Oooo b r o m a n c e”
And part of the team was like, “oh you mean he likes the girl?”
Maybe a writer wanted it to be gay, but didn't have the freedom too.
It's mostly like that
However that was.... I'm proud of him🥺❤
yeah probably
I feel like you've all mistaken brotherly love for boy on boy action
@@Dewisd2002 No.
that slap was satisfying tho
and don't take it as a 'misogynist' comment or something , i'm a girl too but whenever people go 'you shouldn't hit a girl!' or some bullshit (they still do , i'm not spouting it outta my ass) i just feel like they are saying i'm a fucking weak , because when boys hit boys it's ,they can get a little ruff sometimes ! when a boy hits a girl (not saying it's right or anything but i always get angry when girls slap boys without any reason and they don't get reprimanded) it's ' a man doesn't hit a girl! '
Dang.. how I wish the film actually did end up like what you just depicted. While watching this a couple of months ago.. I was highly hoping "please tell me Taku and Yutaka actually like each other and will confess their feelings in the end"
The actual title of the movie in japanese is "I can hear the ocean." There are a couple of scenes by the ocean (party in Hawaii, confession on the bridge) but the only scene where we actually hear the ocean is on the dock.
mindblowing
straight ppl in the replies getting offended and defensive cause theyve never seen a joke in their entire lives.
exactly my thought
It was in the original novel. The animation didn’t manage to include that motif because of the limited runtime
Can someone give me the link to the soundtrack that's playing at 6:29 pleaaseeee
like the guy didnt have to be gay or bi but it was clear as day that he loved the other guy (in some fashion or another) and didnt give a rats about the gal.
Yeah rikako sucks. I mean I know she’s got issues but MAN.
She was very selfish and rude
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought that!!!
It could be admiration or just straight-up guy
It's for you to decide ;)
that reminiscing sequence was so hilarious, i died laughing at all his comments on it
they really have no positive chemistry
this film is probably one of those movies that has to have an after credit scene that no one actual cares about and the scene was how Taku confess to Rikako that he loves his best friend more than her and in fact he doesn't have any desire to her ever. and then he run back from the station to Yutaka.
Man, now you completely changed my point of view about Rikako, like if the movie had developed more her personality, like her personal problems involving her family, it wouldn't seem that she's a totally bad person because we would see her background and how that makes her be this way, but yeah, in the end she didn't talk to Taku to explain herself and apologize to him, it's bad because I love the last song that plays in the movie and yeah, the things she said were not romantic at all
My mom's a 56 year old woman. We watched this together. The entire time we kind of gossiped about how shitty the FL was and how palpable the romantic tension was between the two ML's. Like if a 56 year old woman can instantly tell the two ML's have romantic tension, then anyone can as well.
Oh my god, yesSsSss.
make your mom adopt me
Women don't understand platonic friendships between men because women inately hate all other women and pretend they don't. Friendship bonds between men and women are very different. It's not gay to care for your bro. Now there's nothing wrong with being gay obviously, but I have no idea why women just project that any deep friendship between people has to be sexual. Think with your head, not your cooter lady.
@@BravestCoward i-
what????
Weird I didn't see it at all but I may have just been to bored to notice because the movie's super bland. They just seemed like dudes who were good friends but had little in common to actually spend all their time together, kinda like the dude from Poppy Hill with his best friend if you took away them both being in a club together.
She’s like the edgy self insert on every fanfiction with a OC x main character.
Main guy falls in love with her (even if their only memories are of her being a bitch), and they have no chemistry together lmaoo
And it's most likely that she's overpowered and knows how ti fight and win a battle against the strongest opponent there. (From the ones I read).
Most self insert have a shy/sassy perosnality, and since it would be a self insert x canon character. Some of those fanfics are literally forcing the canon character to like the self insert for no reason. It's like "Hmm interesting, she seems interesting and it means I am head over heels for her" and honestly it's the worst self insert fanfic. Bad self insert fanfics is just the self insert being shy at first and then coming off as sassy and tomboyish and acts like an aggressive "tsundere" and the canon character is still in love. It's hilariously bad, Rikako is an amazing example of a bad sassy edgy self insert.
Ikr? I hated her almost the entire movie
Oh I know what you mean. I’ve noticed this a lot with kind hearted/cheerful male characters, as if the guy being nice gives the OC a free pass to be a jerk. Nothing takes me out of a story more than a character being a total witch and the writer forcing the other character(s) to act like it’s so cute and charming
This is fascinating.. I need a video analysis on self insert fanfiction by way of Ocean Waves
- The girl asked the mc for money so she could "find" her father
- Mc and girl fought ALL through out the movie
- MC complaint how bitchy and pushy is the girl is
And out of nowhere MC "in love" with the girl
👏👏👏
The most shittiest romance movie ever made by Ghibli
I appreciate the thoughtful reflection, effort, and just plain sweetness of this video. Thank you for making it.
Also a lot of lgbt people don’t realize they are part of the community until much later in life. Suddenly you look back at your life until now and see little clues and unimportant memories, that were actually very clear signs that you choose to ignore or misinterpreted.
A lot of people already know, but some just don’t even consider it as an option.
God, it would've been such a good movie if it was about our guy discovering his sexuality.
Yeah, when i came out as a lesbian i remembered how in 2nd grade i had a crush on my bestfriend who was a girl- but repressed the thought because no one else was like me, no one else was gay- and how I thought I had a crush on this one boy but really I wanted to be him because my friend liked him- and I had a crush on her.
Yeah, true. It's scary sometimes how many clues there were
this is true. when i found out i was lesbian, suddenly a lot of moments from my teenage yrs made sense. like how I used to think about ways to make my best friend happy only to realise I was in love with her and I was thinking about being her girlfriend. the reason why I never knew until later was because I didn't know liking girls was even an option, and it was actually a manga that made me realise that girls could like girls.
@@princessgotchi I didnt know either, and when I found out I just- had a b I g realization
He still remembers all of the beautiful things she told him. Somber music begins to play...
"My period just started. Sometimes its really bad."
LMFAOO i couldn’t stop laughing at that part 😭😭
Wait she said it for real ?😂
😂
@Står omg now I've gotta watch that movie
also “You idiot! You’re the worst!” LOL
I always come back to this video ❤
Still one of my all time favorite videos on TH-cam regarding Ocean Waves. You did a stellar job, my guy 👍
This sums it up.
"Two bros chilling in a hot tub five feet apart coz there not gay"
But they are
How tho? Im completely confused as to why this is gay and not just bromance
Deyontae Wisdom i think it can really go either way- seeing as the canon for the film is a bromance, but can also easily be queer. if you really listen to what eliquorice is saying, you can really see how the subtext can mould into a queer (unrequited) love story. he really puts things into an interesting perspective, and beautifully so! and it’s subtle things that honestly, if you had reworked into one of those two being the opposite gender, would have easily passed as a romance. a lot of times i think there’s certain things that are queer-coded that usually only queer people take notice of, because of their own experiences and feelings. however i’m still conflicted as to whether i want it to be canon cause as much as gay representation is needed in film (especially _healthy_ non-fetishized yaoi/bl-type ones in asian film) i also think that strong platonic relationships between guys is also underrepresented. it’s really a dilemma, and honestly, either one would be great, though, as a queer person myself i’m more drawn to the queer rep haha. i’ve seen you commenting this on some other threads so i hope this gave you an idea as to why some of us think this way, and that it wasn’t too much of a ramble :D have a good day
@@h.sanguineus thank you, your the only one attempting to give me any reason - i can see now why i would not be able to perceive i the way you do as I can't relate , thank you honestly.
Deyontae Wisdom you’re very welcome!! taking part in online discussions is always great, and i’m glad i was able to help :D i mean, the internet gives us the chance to see all kinds of different views and opinions, why not take advantage of that and broaden our perspective, right?
kaymit this was such a wholesome thread, u guys made my day: finally people on the internet just educating others in a non aggressive way and an understanding way and the recipient being open to learn! hope u guys have a great day.
I feel like they purposely made Rikako the most unlikeable character ever.
i couldn't stand her
@Emmawat What there's a difference between being a flawed character and being an asshole
@@denji5426 HOLY SHIT 😂
@prod suga PERIODTTT 💅
@@denji5426 of course a fellow yoongi stan would spit out facts lile that 😌💖
dang u just fixed the whole movie
This is actually so cute. I love Ghibli movies, but this was so unpredictable, it became a masterpiece- 😭
imagine reminiscing about someone and the first thing you think about is how they asked you for money. Real romantic and full of love~ 😂
@@waterdrinker4033 its not.
@@girlykyuu1185 agreed
@@waterdrinker4033 he likes the other guy, and he borderline hates the girl.
I REALLY THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ED AND ROSE JAJAJA
@@waterdrinker4033 if the very first time I talked to someone they acted righteous and asked for money I rly don't think I'd even have romantic feelings for them but idk MAYBE IM JUST qUIRkY
Let's get one thing straight, this movie isn't.
There are no replies because this is the undeniable truth 😌
@@bansheblue312 Yuh
hahaha
@@thatonesilverr aRiAnA?
@@mightychondria666 ????
its been two years and by far this is still my favorite youtube video ever
For some reason, I keep on coming back to this video. There's just something about this video that gets my brain working, i love it
The scene at the beach with romantic music, the female lead is a terrible person, male lead says his friendship is different than it is with others
WHAT GREAT A FRIENDS
It's kind of ridiculous, what's the point of queer beating? The people you're trying to lure in get upset and the core audience gets annoyed.
Good god, I saw the same in an sci-fi animated series ( _Final Space_ , 2018) of all places: two male bro characters supposed to have this sort of pre-mission pep talk, but they're in front of some yellowing star with some warm music, and their talk became softer more intimate to a point of _hugging tight_ compared to one of the protag's (toxic) relationship with the only girl (toxic) character...and now the entire fanbase would rather the "bros" be The Couple. Confusing, yet hilarious in retrospect.
@@harleytheapothecary7849 probably because it wasn't queer bating, well not intentionally i mean.
Just guys being dudes 😝
This analysis is better than the movie itself. Everything about it is perfect: arguments, script, narration, and editing. This is the work of someone who cares.
I second that 👌👌
exactly! he did and excellent job and I very much appreciate it.
Isabel Borges I completely agree lol
Yes!
I end up re-watching this beautiful and thought provoking analysis every few months, I know I’m not the only one ;-) 🏳️🌈
I love the ending credits you see every moment Rikako and Taku were madly in love with each other through actions when their words did not match
My mind when watching this movie:
*c’mon dude just kiss him*
Lmao same
Samedth
FRR LMFAOOO
The movie couldve pulled a doukyuusei but we were very behind at that time
SAMEEE
i actually busted a laugh when you showed us the ending scene of taku reminiscing his memories of rikako but none of them were actually happy moments LOL you weren't wrong about the scene being unintentionally funny
Me too! This was too funny LOL. I never realised when I was watching...
when i watched that scene, i was like "that's pretty awkward". plus, i was watching at my cousin's house i'm assuming they'll be like "why this film so boring" lol
When they talked about how he'd always been crazy about her, I literally busted out laughing. Like no, you haven't been. Every scene with her, you either ended up angry or annoyed. Like how??
Jessica Braud
I know! Every scene she seemed more like a burden to him of which he was unwilling to carry, so like, I don't know how he came to the conclusion: I was crazy about her.
amanda Wait that scene wasn’t edited?
im glad that this movie got a breakdown like this because it really deserved it. i feel like the people who made it may have actually wanted to explore a queer relationship but were held back by studios and execs. i appreciate this reading of it a lot