586 km roadtrip in Volvo EX30 Twin Motor Performance

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  • @RickMacCornack
    @RickMacCornack 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    This is the first objective and realistic review of the EX30 I have seen. I love the design of the vehicle but I think I will delay a purchase until some fundamental software issues get resolved. Thank you for this practical assessment.

    • @loriallen67
      @loriallen67 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same. In the US.

    • @ClaudioAguileraMunoz
      @ClaudioAguileraMunoz 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      totally agree in everything you said. Also I'm not sure to purchase the extended range / full equipment here in Chile since it's the same value as the Tesla model Y extended range and it is worse than the Tesla in every performance aspect (top speed, acceleartion, torque, range) and also the space thing... I have doubts

  • @mellewis9054
    @mellewis9054 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I hope Volvo will take note of your criticisms and sort out the software issues as soon as possible. Thanks!

  • @talpolano4549
    @talpolano4549 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    0:00: 🚗 Christopher embarks on a 600 km road trip with a Volvo EX30, focusing on consumption and charging.
    5:54: 🚗 Observations on the effectiveness of pilot assist in a Volvo car during a road trip.
    10:14: ⚡ Impressive long-range performance of the Volvo EX30 Twin Motor in warm weather conditions.
    15:14: 🚗 Challenges faced during a long road trip in an electric vehicle.
    20:32: 🔋 Analysis of battery performance during a road trip in a Volvo EX30 Twin Motor.
    25:29: 🚗 Issue with car's notification system for holding the steering wheel while driving.
    30:33: 🚗 Charging the car to at least 31% is essential for a smooth trip home, despite some navigation system bugs.
    Recap by Tammy AI

  • @osronn
    @osronn 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    I don't know if this is enough of a topic for a video, but I would like to see what is the current Google Play store situation with third-party apps for the Volvo EX30?

    • @BlackPawGaming
      @BlackPawGaming 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I don't wanna install thiongs to much to load the system of the car though. youtube and spotify is enough for me :D

  • @Chris-rs9sp
    @Chris-rs9sp 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amazing videos, thx dude! Good job

  • @AnnBrittHansen
    @AnnBrittHansen 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    jeg antar (og håper) du gir en skikkelig feedback til Volvo om alle de små tingene som bør forbedres :-) Flotte videoer!

  • @OwenFromOhio
    @OwenFromOhio 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Excellent, and thank you for showing the screen during the entire trip It was telling when you had to interact with the car through that interface! Volvo has some key upgrades to execute to the Software before it is ready for Primetime in the USA! Turn Off the Warnings and Manual battery Warming Buttons are a must along with being able to utilize the advertised 5G connection! Like you, we live in an apartment building and park in our garage similar, but not as nice as yours. We seldom do long trips, the EX30 is about the same size as our current Chevy Bolt EUV... Ironically I have the same seat issue with the Bolt as you with the EX30. I was hoping the EX30 with its better seats and being a 3-inch wider car that issue would disappear... Looks like I'll have to wait for a Test Drive to figure that out! Thank You!!

  • @JamesBlackburn-ed1nd
    @JamesBlackburn-ed1nd 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I enjoyed your informative review, thank you.

  • @Odinscrow1962
    @Odinscrow1962 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Loving your videos on the EX30. I’m looking at getting one and you are producing some excellent research information

  • @fmcarona
    @fmcarona 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Full agree with you about pre-heating batteries... It should leave us the decision to preheat anyway under 20% and also be clear when and how the preheating is going on

  • @michaelfulton5518
    @michaelfulton5518 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Perhaps Volvo is watching these videos and other similar. I was due to collect my EX30 today (Örebro) but the handover was cancelled at the last minute due to "software upload" issues. I'm getting flashbacks of my first months with Polestar 2 from August 2020 which had similar glitches, no internet connection etc.

  • @loriallen67
    @loriallen67 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you so much for this review. I am in the US. I have been anxiously awaiting the EX30 because finally someone made a premium small car! But I must have comfort and good software. I have heard there will be one at a dealership in my town in May. I feel much more prepared to look at the car thanks to this review. I am considering one other car which is larger because as you stated, no one makes a premium/luxury small car. But I have driven it and it is comfortable enough and has very good tech.

    • @theelectriccarmagazine
      @theelectriccarmagazine  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, i would have loved if Volvo at least offered more premium options so you could upgrade but my car have all the boxes ticked (except 20") and I just don't get the feeling of "premium small car". I have decided to replace this car with a BMW instead, sometime before summer.

  • @catha86
    @catha86 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    so how much did that cost you? that would be interesting too and how long did you charge?

  • @szabiszekely
    @szabiszekely 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hve you tried the smart #1? It has a plusher, larger seat, it has physical buttons on the steering wheel and a HUD. It's also a bit better packaged, especially for the rear passengers. And in Brabus trim doesn't look overly happy (and you can now disable the fox).

  • @GeorgeThoughts
    @GeorgeThoughts 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jeez, that van who nearly crashed at 5:28 was a crazy moment. You nearly got to test out Volvo's famous crash safety!
    Excellent video, so great to get a real world review that doesn't feel overly "journalistic" and more like a normal person.
    I'm keen to consider this car to replace my aged 2016 Renault Zoe, but the software issues sound like a pain! Sounds a bit like with any new tech nowadays where you should never invest in First Gen tech on new products. A bit like the Pixel Watch. Wait for the second generation, or to see if they iron out any issues in hardware and software.
    If they don't fix it, I'll probably be considering a Tesla since I like the new M3 refresh's front look for the first time. Never liked the old bulbous style.

    • @theelectriccarmagazine
      @theelectriccarmagazine  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Even if I do more journalistic jobs today, I still see myself as an "ev fanboy" and not a journalist :) I agree regarding software and I think it's something that more and more car brands do. "We have OTA, so we can release a halfdone car and update it later". I will always call out those companies when trying a new car because I don't think it's OK. I am fine with some bugs but most of the systems should work!

    • @loriallen67
      @loriallen67 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@theelectriccarmagazine 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

  • @morten_hannesbo
    @morten_hannesbo 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great video, thanks. The efficiency really is not that great, but the car is great to drive.

  • @ejtblueboy6976
    @ejtblueboy6976 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    We are so far behind in Canada, waiting for Tesla converter sometime this year🤞

  • @Bbhappy21
    @Bbhappy21 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the review! This help a lot. I also just need small EV car. This XC30 was hooked me up till I see your review and now I’m not sure again with all the anyoing bugs and I expected to have something better than this. As using Honda-E I’m happy with everything beside the short distance of battery especially in winter.

  • @brucekennedy5274
    @brucekennedy5274 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video. Very informative. I love the look of this car in so many ways, but if only they put a hud on there… “you’re not looking at the road!” No, because I’m looking at the screen! …in what world does that make sense? If I can get past that, this car seems great.

  • @j.rayscott4681
    @j.rayscott4681 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Enjoying the videos. Good job. I have a reservation for an EX30 in the US. Since you are also in a Northern climate, when the opportunity presents itself, can you comment on the EX30 dual motor handling in snowy conditions. I live in a very hilly part of the county. We often get a couple inches of snow.

  • @tomoldigs1353
    @tomoldigs1353 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Activating PilotAssist is designed to use the Gearselector downwards, like in a Tesla, automatic lane change needs permanent turning signals, normally.

  • @lowfuel6089
    @lowfuel6089 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Appreciate your honesty in this review! The range seems low to me, but the deal breaker for me on the ex30 is the lack of legroom in the back.

  • @highlanderes
    @highlanderes 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for the videos. How preconditioning works is not clear to me, and I also wonder if pre-warming the car in the morning will work without a charger connected for people living in an apartment wo. charger.

  • @CliveBowen-j6q
    @CliveBowen-j6q 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is a good review and I have a number of thoughts: 1; I presume that the car in Sweden is still running on winter tyres? My new SMER version is on summer tyres and my average consumption for the first 600 miles (1000km) is 29.4kwh/100miles - which equates to 18.2kwh/100km. 2: Seat position/squab: I have a Plus but find that - at 1.88m height - I get adequate under-thigh support by moving the seat far enough back. Obviously this limits space in the rear. I think a fix might be to have some wedge shaped aluminium spacers fitted beneath the seat runners to increase the squab angle. I'm seeing a consistent 220mile (350km) range on 100% of mixed driving (town, country, motorway), with maximum speed of 70mph (110kph)

    • @theelectriccarmagazine
      @theelectriccarmagazine  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are correct, the car have 19" studdless wintertyres :)

  • @steverobinson2389
    @steverobinson2389 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You you have videos on the newly names EX40 - the recharge to compare this EX30 against?

  • @xorg4549
    @xorg4549 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for the video, atm owner of the XC40 Hybrid Plugin great car but too much for the city I think.
    I am waiting for EX30 to be delivered in next 2 months I hope they will resolve issues with software. Thank you for the review!! + sub

  • @Robert-ij9ih
    @Robert-ij9ih 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Visa gärna hur den är att lasta och fälla bakstolarna mm .. om den funkar på semestern/ arbets bil

  • @slanecek
    @slanecek 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    11:40 - the steering wheel buttons are really bad.

  • @tumelomasejane6798
    @tumelomasejane6798 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the video, can you please put the charging data for each charging you had for this trip.

  • @MrMuntheNO
    @MrMuntheNO 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I got mine. Do you set it for dynamisk or certified range estimate in the menu?

  • @kaloiankarshev6556
    @kaloiankarshev6556 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does EX 30 comes with free charging? In North America it does for 250 kWh.

    • @theelectriccarmagazine
      @theelectriccarmagazine  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, or at least not in Europe. Some lower prices on public charging but that’s about it

    • @kaloiankarshev6556
      @kaloiankarshev6556 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you.

  • @Olibolio1
    @Olibolio1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for the in depth review. I’m hoping the efficiency is a bit better with summer tires, lower cabin temperature and less wintery weather. Otherwise it will be about 25% less efficient than my current Model 3.

  • @ks5390
    @ks5390 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Strange, I also have an new EX30 and I can not agree regarding the faults you say you have with your car. My internet connection works just fine, no problem with the buttons on the steeringwheel, no problem with having to turn the steeringwheel to confirm I am still driving - a hand on the wheel is ok.

  • @jeroenjansen2709
    @jeroenjansen2709 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The single motor with long range is the pick if the bunch

  • @Kevin-dp1vy
    @Kevin-dp1vy 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't understand why you need a mobile signal for the sat nav to work? The sat nav in my 2016 Skoda works without any sort of internet connection, very useful as I live in a rural area of the UK without mobile coverage.

    • @kennethjrgensen2087
      @kennethjrgensen2087 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The sat give only a position. In you car you have a date base with all the maps. apparently the ex30 has to download the maps while driving. strange

    • @kennethjrgensen2087
      @kennethjrgensen2087 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Google maps also download maps the driving.

  • @curtrobinson106
    @curtrobinson106 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've seen other EX30 videos where the rate when the State of Charge is less than 10% is slower, 40-60kW/hr (as you saw), then it will pick up.

  • @krizndzone
    @krizndzone 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Have you ever tried smart #1?
    If yes, which car is better smart #1 or ex30?

    • @theelectriccarmagazine
      @theelectriccarmagazine  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sorry, I have not driven the Smart #1

    • @krizndzone
      @krizndzone 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Would be nice to see you to try smart #1 and compare your experience with your EX30.

    • @johnmansfield3317
      @johnmansfield3317 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Was all set on the ex30 but the lack of switchgear, buttons and no drivers display and/or hud has really put me off. Now looking at a smart #1 brabus.

    • @krizndzone
      @krizndzone 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ⁠good choice 👍🏼

  • @PaulHo
    @PaulHo 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A 1/3 of the map could easily be trip info and efficiency, it should'nt have to be one or the other and swapping back and forth.

  • @EdwardBartel
    @EdwardBartel 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Is this a pre-release vehicle? A number of your glitches/interface problems are easily fixed in firmware updates, but I also think when dealing with a pre-production vehicle you can have issues that are unique to your vehicle. Also, is the "Hey Google" prompt not available on this Volvo? I have yet to see a reviewer mention that certain items being buried in the interface is less of a problem because they are easily adjusted through a verbal command.

    • @theelectriccarmagazine
      @theelectriccarmagazine  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, this is a customer car.

    • @ytzsch
      @ytzsch 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The hey Google will work if the mobile internet is working

    • @johnmansfield3317
      @johnmansfield3317 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Apparently it is very limited. It can only answer wiki questions and adjust the climate. You can’t say put the fog lights on for example.

  • @CaryInVictoria
    @CaryInVictoria 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Does you car attract a lot of attention?

    • @theelectriccarmagazine
      @theelectriccarmagazine  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not really. Volvo is a really common car in Sweden and whild a yellow one stands out, only people knowing what it is will take a look :) I’ve had one stranger ask me questions about the car so far :)

  • @sebbbi2
    @sebbbi2 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Nice honest review!
    57keur car is not ”a cheap car”. We should expect comfortable seats and dashboard (or HUD). There’s no excuse.
    Software issues seem even worse than VW ID.3 had initially. And touch button seems worse than VW too. ID.3 has a HUD + dashboard and 550km WLTP range (big battery). And a bit more legroom in back seats too. But 4WD version never released. And the new facelift has still the old engine and old infotainment system, so I can’t recommend it.

  • @johnmansfield3317
    @johnmansfield3317 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Small premium car. What about a smart #1 brabus? Not as nice looking externally admittedly but nicer interior, drivers display, hud and slightly cheaper.

    • @theelectriccarmagazine
      @theelectriccarmagazine  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Have not driven it yet. Have contacted them for a review sample, we’ll see if I can get one :)

  • @ejtblueboy6976
    @ejtblueboy6976 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How can you use Tesla chargers? Adapter?

    • @theelectriccarmagazine
      @theelectriccarmagazine  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Standard connector in EU that also Tesla follows :)

  • @ytzsch
    @ytzsch 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I see you still have not got the mobile internet. Any update from Volvo on a fix?

    • @theelectriccarmagazine
      @theelectriccarmagazine  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Blaming Vodafone, some kind of server issue they hope should be resolved this week.

  • @magnusmacdonald2810
    @magnusmacdonald2810 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Är det inte rackarns mycket med 28 kWh per 10 mil i förbrukning med den lille bilen? Totalt omöjligt att kunna åka billigare med elbil än min befintliga bensinbil då jag bor i lägenhet och kan ladda nära hemmet för 5 Kr/kWh. Till det kommer att en elbil är ju typ 200 k dyrare i inköp. Nä jag är ledsen med det här med elbilar är nog inget för mig och många med mig.

    • @theelectriccarmagazine
      @theelectriccarmagazine  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Vart kommer 28 kWh/10 mil ifrån? Jag låg närmsre 20-21.
      Vinsten med elbil är att ladda hemma billigt. Kan man inte göra det så skulle jag inte rekommendera elbil. Är enda alternativet 5kr/kWh hemma så är det ju som du säger, elbil blir för dyrt.

    • @magnusmacdonald2810
      @magnusmacdonald2810 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tja det var vad du själv sa i videon, dock såg jag inte hela videon. Om nu förbrukningen sjönk till 20-21 efter hela resan blir det fortfarande bara break even mot bensin för en i min situation och det är mer eller mindre omöjligt att köra in mellanskillnaden på inköpspriset. Funderar på hur staten ska få oss att ställa om till elbilar om det inte är en ekonomisk fördel med elbil.@@theelectriccarmagazine

    • @theelectriccarmagazine
      @theelectriccarmagazine  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Den visade det efter 15km körning, rekommenderar att du hoppar till slutet för riktig förbrukninh på en sådan här video

    • @magnusmacdonald2810
      @magnusmacdonald2810 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Du ska stort tack för att du lägger ner tid och energi på dessa videos och poddar, informativt och bra och har ju hjälpt mig att inte göra misstaget att skaffa elbil då det inte är för mig.@@theelectriccarmagazine

  • @timoliver8940
    @timoliver8940 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I was really looking forward to buying an EX30 to replace my Mini S E but I found the same bugs as you were really off putting - no HUD or driver info display, not even the option of them, after a 3 year old Mini with both is a real deal breaker for me. It’s a pity because I don’t need a big monster of an EV and the replacement Mini hatch won’t be available as a European built car for at least another 2-3 years. Maybe Elon will build the small Tesla hatch in Europe by then. My Mini still has loads of miles left in it despite its small battery, it suits my needs to a T.

    • @johnmansfield3317
      @johnmansfield3317 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What about smart #1 ? Built on the same geely platform as ex30, more space in the back and a drivers display and hud.

  • @kenchan1762
    @kenchan1762 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Do you know that you have to actually click the buttons on the steering wheel?

    • @theelectriccarmagazine
      @theelectriccarmagazine  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      thanks for telling me how buttons works.....

    • @kenchan1762
      @kenchan1762 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@theelectriccarmagazine yeah, because I saw you couldn't click it properly in the video

    • @theelectriccarmagazine
      @theelectriccarmagazine  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Volvo has confimed they are changing the streering wheel buttons for modelyear 2025 because the current steering wheel buttons are not working properly. Might be a hint what the issue is.

    • @kenchan1762
      @kenchan1762 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@theelectriccarmagazine I know what they are changing, but it seems to not related to you not clicking properly.

  • @highlanderes
    @highlanderes 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The fact that driver alert needs to be turned off in the menu, every time you use the car, means I will not get the car anyway. Thank you for the information.

    • @quavohuncho6156
      @quavohuncho6156 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      its because of the stupid EU laws. EU is going to make it mandatory on all cars this year.

    • @lowfuel6089
      @lowfuel6089 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I thought this was true of all new cars in Europe, is that not the case?

    • @divadtsorf
      @divadtsorf 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@lowfuel6089 It is correct

    • @theelectriccarmagazine
      @theelectriccarmagazine  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Sure, it is because of EU but Volvo could do a better job to tune it.

    • @highlanderes
      @highlanderes 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@theelectriccarmagazine and should be an always present one press experience

  • @albertnajdi5794
    @albertnajdi5794 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Alltså jag provkörde bilen och tycker komforten är otroligt, mycket bättre än model y eller 3 performance. Vet inte varför du kritiserar bilen så mycket.
    Jag förstår bilen passar inte dig men dettta betyder inte att bilen är skräp. Jag har en model 3 performance och du får inte bättre range i vinter med denna, tack i alla fall för din review

    • @theelectriccarmagazine
      @theelectriccarmagazine  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fast jag tycker inte bilen är skräp, jag tycker bilen är för dyr. Komforten är bra, jag säger det i flera videos. Men det finns fler saker än komfort och nya model 3 highland springer 8or runt denna i kvalité. Min bil kostar 640k listpris och då förväntar jag mig mer!

  • @pl2514
    @pl2514 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the car but sometimes using the screen while driving is a flaw and needs revision.

  • @calad6482
    @calad6482 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I feel like the driver alert is just an excuse for more surveillance. Im gonna assume that at least untill the opposite is proven.

  • @voyageurmike
    @voyageurmike 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thanks, the way you demonstrated so many annoying details of the EX30 driving experience further convinces me that life is too short to put up with such crap. Time to cancel that reservation.

  • @YorkshireDave
    @YorkshireDave 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for your vids
    Test drove last weekend having had car on order for 8 months. Was awful. Terrible efficiency, Apps didn't work such as radio, top heavy , and the parking assistant couldn't detect empty spaces but instead tried to reverse into a parked car!
    Woeful car.

  • @HBHD1
    @HBHD1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yea but no sentry mode to protect the car no cameras 😤😤

  • @morten_hannesbo
    @morten_hannesbo 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I just did a similar test with the Tesla Model 3 LR Highland. The consumption: 15.8 kWh vs. >20.9 kWh for the Volvo. The efficiency of the Volvo EX30 is really not that impressive.
    th-cam.com/video/KIUBZJ-j51Y/w-d-xo.htmlsi=dIECDp5K6qnigvLI

  • @tobiasthors6921
    @tobiasthors6921 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Get a Renault Megane instead, much better car and it uses google as you already know.

  • @lindes20t1
    @lindes20t1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    hej varför pratar du inde svänsk det är inte alla som förstå dig .mvh bengt

  • @StuMunro
    @StuMunro 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Doesnt sound like a 10/10 that all the youtube reviews would have you believe.

  • @RupOase
    @RupOase 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    With the amount of know-how and technology at their disposal, for a very tiny and expensive car like the EX30, 30 minutes of charging time is simply unacceptable.
    My 2019 Kona with the same battery capacity and the same old battery chemistry of 2017, that peaks at 77 kW, charges in roughly the same time as this newer Volvo.
    At the same time, the same car company, has substantially better charging curves in Polestars, so you'd expect that at least part of it to be retained here, in the smaller ones.
    So this begs the question: why would you pick this car over a Tesla Model Y, which is a touch cheaper?
    Car manufacturers these days are so stupid and dumb, asking themselves why can't we sell our cars like others do? Well this is your answer. It doesn't cut it. If it can't get to charge faster than a 5 year-old car with 7 year-old battery technology, which costed 30,000 €, then there's no point of spending 50,000 € on this lame car.

  • @philain3417
    @philain3417 หลายเดือนก่อน

    To much bla-bla-bla !

  • @alex77xl
    @alex77xl 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hyundai Kona has the same size, looks similar but efficiency much better.