It’s awesome how passionate you guys are in your work. When your job and your hobby are pretty much the same thing, the quality of work and attention to detail is outstanding.
Great video, never watched a direct comparison between bone stock and mildly tuned. Surprisingly decent gains for minimal effort and easily reversible. Thanks.
The 2006 S2000 was not Honda's best effort ever 'out-of-the-box' (flabby suspension and the first year drive-by-wire ECU issue of stumbling slightly between 2-3,000 rpm's). The Flashpro fixes the driveability issue, eliminates the torque dip before Vtec and gives a couple of hundred more rpm's at the top end. Thanks for this video that helped me understand how to improve my AP2.
I just did a Hondata Reflash on my low mile 2008 Civic Si. Couldn’t be happier. It had a Cold Air Inake and Catback Exhaust already on it and since the Tune the exhaust note is louder and I dont have any more rev hang. Also the VTEC doesn’t kick in like before, but rather a smoother transition to the higher RPM’s.
When I purchase my hondata for my 91 crx si I would love to make the journey to your shop for you to give it a dyno tune. It’s b series. LHT is about 600 miles from me. Everything video I’ve seen on this channel is very sharp and I love the way you work. The attention to the details is second to none.
Zeisan Shima Well, when it happens a lot , and folks things the laptop will fix a bad motor, wrong vacuum lines, wrong plus, fuel pump, unrealistic expectations and think it’s all included in the basic tuning fee 🤪🤪🤪. It’s easier not to tune what I don’t have control over.
I’m so excited to see more testing on this car. I will try to make time to visit when I return from overseas. I’m sure it will be an interesting new turning point for the channel.
John: Your flashing me back to my white '08 AP2. Can't wait for you to put a header and full exhaust on the red car. Do you remember how much my white car picked up with your step header, reflash, k&n drop in filter and 2.5" exhaust? Went from 205 rwhp to 242 rwhp!! The best part was moving VTEC changeover to 4200 rpm. Gave the car massive torque across the rpm band. A S2K you could short shift and still fly. I will be watching. Keep it coming.
I do remember your car very well. This car isn’t getting the same treatment, plans are 350-370whp but with a wide torque band starting low down but while remaining quiet and OEM feel.
@@LHTPerformance Sounds great. While I am not personally a fan of turbo engines, it makes total sense to go that route for robust torque production and the ability to really "tune" the powerband you want. Should be a fast and fun car👍
@@TerryHeick Hondata reflash with the exhaust John designed and built was effectively like a cam swap. Vtec window lowered to 4,000 rpm and the exhaust let the stock head maximize its potential. OEM F22 cylinder head can flow enough air for 500 HP with a S/C or turbo.
Copisetic 1 You’ll notice that we took off very lightly. The point to see how much quicker it accelerated. A proper launch would have changed those times. I thought that would have been pretty obvious in the video.
These different tunes that come pre installed have specific projects. If i run a differen brand headers or exhaust with a air box mod, would i have to create a different tune? I never tuned anything so id be afraid to blw it up😊
damn my s2k's race tires are bald😭😭 are you all going to do some fast runs through the dragon? i live 40min from there!... im going to have to come up there if so!!
More great stuff on this project. Thanks. Can't wait to learn more about the this turbo setup. I have an AP1. If the Hondata is installed on an AP1, can you notice any of the changes? For example, with some AP1 piggy back systems, the kick panel can't fit back in place and the box has to be mounted somewhere (probably in the cabin behind the seat as recommended by the mfg.). With the Hondata setup on an AP1, can you tell it from stock because everything is hidden? Thanks
With a flashpro you don't have to leave it plugged into the car, it is only required for tuning/ecm modifications/datalogging, if you've got the tune dialed in just leave it at home in a safe place. The flashpro writes over the stock ECM data.
Also a nice feature of the flashpro is 2 tunes can be saved to the box at once so if you had say a 93 octane tune and an E85 tune you could switch over with the box plugged in without bringing a computer along to make the switch.
Ballade just came out with a ju,per harness that makes hondata v4 plug and play. No sensor or valve cover conversion needed. I want to super charge my 03 and been looking at options.
John in hondata, do you know of any other issues that would cause boost cut besides the car overboosting?! I went for a drive today for the first time since my dyno tune in cooler weather, and I am hitting boost cut but I'm not over boosting. I momentarily had a check engine light and then it turned off . I don't know who to ask. You are the most knowledgeable person I know. Any input would greatly help thanks.
Hey thanks. Yeah boost cut is crazy. 1st and 2nd gear are fine, but 3rd cuts at 6k. I didn't like hearing weak spark so I'll be putting in some OEM coil packs. I figure its almost time for some new ones with 120k . Hope all is well with you and your family.
I know what I'm going to ask is not related to this video but and sought information and no one specifically says anything. My question is, I have an em1 and I want to put a k20 on, but I want to know how much it costs and since I live in California, doing it would bring me problems with the state in
Typically this is an open ended question. There's many variables, gas, compression and type of use. Rule of thumb is 12.5 to 1. Most cases you'll see very little power difference between 11.8 and 13.5. Always play it safe
Yes go to the Hondata website for details. I don’t remember the conversion but it works with the K-pro tuner. They probably sell a conversion kit. Check their website out.
think of it like this, say i swing a 2lb hammer 3 feet and hit a baseball. to increase "torque"(force x distance = work) i can switch to a 5lb hammer but the baseball doesn't really go that much further. but if i take that 2lb hammer and swing it faster i can knock that baseball out really far, that's power(force x distance x speed). of course this is just an analogy so its not exactly like this but you should get the gist of it
Sort of understand, I just wondering saw a video wrc racing they where talking about shifting the power to range of rpm to get more torque and I ever wonder if they where tuning base on torque or just make the car more efficient at a certain rpm.
Okay guys..love your stuff but your dragy date and 1/4 ET gain if severely flawed!!! The first run had a 60 ft. time of 3.45 sec and the 2nd run with flash was a 3.21 60ft. Anybody that knows Drag racing knows the 60 ft. time means a TON in the rest of the increment's !!! You only gained TWO hundreds on the 1/4 but the real figure you need to focus on is the MPH... MPH in the 1/4 is what means something for power. You seemed to have gained about 1 - 1.5 MPH which is about the only thing you can show as a true gain from that Flash. Again, the "Launch" / 60 Foot times would have had to be the EXACT same for it to really make a difference in the overall incrementals / ET's. MPH is what you need to focus on in the 1/4 to show overall power gains.
I’m sure you could tell by the draggy part we only half assed did the test. The dyno showed the results. The half ass drag was not really meant to be a bench mark.
@@LHTPerformance I get it. Yes the dyno and the "race weight & 1/4 MPH" calculations is really where it's at for measuring HP gains. If conditions / weight are the same / similar, then that's the tell tell. I just meant the 1/4 ET was totally irrelevant to that particular test. No offense was meant, I just was saying that I would have skipped showing / telling the ET. With almost two and a half tenths difference in the 60 ft, the gain in the ET wasn't actually good at all. However the MPH gain was...I would just focus on that for those that don't / can't understand all the incrementals of a 1/4 pass...Agian though, thank you and love your vids and work. I just bought my first ever S2000 (2005 with 44k miles - Stock), and that's how I found you. I would totally use you guys if / when I decide to have work done. Thanks
@@protectandswerve The draggy looks to be a great tool. Of course I own a dyno so I’m not going haul but on the street. I think that was the first time we used it, it’s now in George’s glove box …lol.
@@LHTPerformance I've got a Dragy as well... I have several "In Mexico" vids with it on my channel too! lol. Was testing my 60-130 times for my new tune in my Turbo S. Saw a 6.07 sec. and a 140 mph in the 1/4 with very soft 1.9x 60ft. launch. I agree they're great tools for testing new mods and gains under the right conditions / proper tests.
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I nearly got scammed when trying to buy a s2k now I just watch all of these videos cause still love them
How?
Do tell
I got scammed once brother buying one don’t give up❤
It’s awesome how passionate you guys are in your work. When your job and your hobby are pretty much the same thing, the quality of work and attention to detail is outstanding.
AP2 in red= damn perfect 👌🏼
Yes👍👍
Great video, never watched a direct comparison between bone stock and mildly tuned. Surprisingly decent gains for minimal effort and easily reversible. Thanks.
what a clean example of an s2000,..beautiful.
Pure Gold once again 👍 thank you for your fantastic S2000 content!
Let's get the in-house S2k content rolling!!
Every LHT videos I go ahead and let all the ads play. Until I go get my supercharger installed by LHT, I need to keep supporting them.
The 2006 S2000 was not Honda's best effort ever 'out-of-the-box' (flabby suspension and the first year drive-by-wire ECU issue of stumbling slightly between 2-3,000 rpm's). The Flashpro fixes the driveability issue, eliminates the torque dip before Vtec and gives a couple of hundred more rpm's at the top end. Thanks for this video that helped me understand how to improve my AP2.
I just did a Hondata Reflash on my low mile 2008 Civic Si. Couldn’t be happier. It had a Cold Air Inake and Catback Exhaust already on it and since the Tune the exhaust note is louder and I dont have any more rev hang. Also the VTEC doesn’t kick in like before, but rather a smoother transition to the higher RPM’s.
When I purchase my hondata for my 91 crx si I would love to make the journey to your shop for you to give it a dyno tune. It’s b series. LHT is about 600 miles from me. Everything video I’ve seen on this channel is very sharp and I love the way you work. The attention to the details is second to none.
@Fue Yang thank you I missed that
Yes, we no longer offer tuning. Over 20 years of dealing with ‘ The tuner will fix it ‘. Lol.
@@LHTPerformance that’s no good
Still enjoy all the content anyway 👍
Zeisan Shima Well, when it happens a lot , and folks things the laptop will fix a bad motor, wrong vacuum lines, wrong plus, fuel pump, unrealistic expectations and think it’s all included in the basic tuning fee 🤪🤪🤪. It’s easier not to tune what I don’t have control over.
I’m so excited to see more testing on this car. I will try to make time to visit when I return from overseas. I’m sure it will be an interesting new turning point for the channel.
John: Your flashing me back to my white '08 AP2. Can't wait for you to put a header and full exhaust on the red car. Do you remember how much my white car picked up with your step header, reflash, k&n drop in filter and 2.5" exhaust? Went from 205 rwhp to 242 rwhp!! The best part was moving VTEC changeover to 4200 rpm. Gave the car massive torque across the rpm band. A S2K you could short shift and still fly. I will be watching. Keep it coming.
I do remember your car very well. This car isn’t getting the same treatment, plans are 350-370whp but with a wide torque band starting low down but while remaining quiet and OEM feel.
@@LHTPerformance Sounds great. While I am not personally a fan of turbo engines, it makes total sense to go that route for robust torque production and the ability to really "tune" the powerband you want. Should be a fast and fun car👍
37 WHP is a huge gain. Very nice. I’m guessing that’s mostly from the exhaust?
@@TerryHeick Hondata reflash with the exhaust John designed and built was effectively like a cam swap. Vtec window lowered to 4,000 rpm and the exhaust let the stock head maximize its potential. OEM F22 cylinder head can flow enough air for 500 HP with a S/C or turbo.
Are there preloaded maps with the Hondata or do I need to create my own? Never tuned anything my self and don't want to blow up my car
Great before/after video. Hondata is awesome
This is awesome! A nice, simple, and basic overview. Nicely done sir!
This is gonna be an awesome series. Thanks for all the great info! Now I wish mine wasn’t a 2001 😕
Excellent as always, John.👌 No tricks, just treats.😁 Happy Halloween to you and the family.
Exactly what I wish I got around to doing to my 09 AP2 at the time. It made driving such a chore around town.
I need to get myself one of those closed course.
great advertising! should ask a few pennies from hondata, this channel has sold me on hondata a long time ago.
LHT PERFORMANCE ROCKS ❤
Thank you John & George @lhtperformance. Great information! Love this channel
Those quarter mile times were almost exactly the same times as my Opel kadet rally (1970) 1900cc four speed.
Copisetic 1 You’ll notice that we took off very lightly. The point to see how much quicker it accelerated. A proper launch would have changed those times. I thought that would have been pretty obvious in the video.
Very informative as always
Excellent video! What do you recommend for an AP1 since Hondata is for AP2?
Awesome video and good job Team LHT.
Great info brother
The S2K and RSX-S motors were the best 4 cylinder motors Honda EVER made
That is very subjective.
DC5 Integra Type-R was the RSX Type-S engine with hand ported heads.It’s the best example of a K20 at least.
Tsx k24 can handle more power than k20
7:18 that's me I'm scared to work on my 2000 except oil changes I do those regularly
hondata is a must for any AP2 s2k
Thanks!
Hey what’s up with that CRX in the background??
These different tunes that come pre installed have specific projects. If i run a differen brand headers or exhaust with a air box mod, would i have to create a different tune? I never tuned anything so id be afraid to blw it up😊
The Hondata comes with pre loaded tunes. You can’t really go wrong with.
Nice.
If you lived at high elevation (7k) but the nearest dyno tuner was at 1000 feet, how much of a problem would that be?
damn my s2k's race tires are bald😭😭 are you all going to do some fast runs through the dragon? i live 40min from there!... im going to have to come up there if so!!
🔥🔥🔥
why does your car shine so well?
More great stuff on this project. Thanks. Can't wait to learn more about the this turbo setup. I have an AP1. If the Hondata is installed on an AP1, can you notice any of the changes? For example, with some AP1 piggy back systems, the kick panel can't fit back in place and the box has to be mounted somewhere (probably in the cabin behind the seat as recommended by the mfg.). With the Hondata setup on an AP1, can you tell it from stock because everything is hidden? Thanks
With a flashpro you don't have to leave it plugged into the car, it is only required for tuning/ecm modifications/datalogging, if you've got the tune dialed in just leave it at home in a safe place. The flashpro writes over the stock ECM data.
Also a nice feature of the flashpro is 2 tunes can be saved to the box at once so if you had say a 93 octane tune and an E85 tune you could switch over with the box plugged in without bringing a computer along to make the switch.
I have an AP1 as well (2002), but Hondata website says 2006 to 2009 model years only, unfortunately. Curious which flashpro brand are you using?
How would one program it fot catless with full bolt on?
#LHTPERFECTION
Why does Honda program in the power dip before vtec engagement? Wonder if it has something to do with reducing stress on the engine
Help promote the excitement of the cam change over we assume( Vtec kicking in )
whats the difference between off road and the carb Hondata flashpro?
they unfortunately do not provide any software support for honda accords besides the new turbo models :-(
I have an s2000 myself and wanna know what mods I need just to get in between 240-250 whp? That’s all I want
My favorite s2000 spec is the white with red soft top and red interior. Personally, I'd lower the vtec engagement to about 4k
When will this S2000 be for sale and how would I be able to find out ? Thanks 🙏🏽
Possibly next year. Please reach out to me on IG
So it's easier to tune 06-09 than 00-05?
i believe 00-05 would need to use K-Pro and swap ecu and sensors
Ballade just came out with a ju,per harness that makes hondata v4 plug and play. No sensor or valve cover conversion needed. I want to super charge my 03 and been looking at options.
What would be the price to ship and have supercharged from California?
Was run 3 -217whp on the hondata stock “tuned” map?
Great video..does hondata export to England.97 Ron,cold,rain?
TDI north do them
Can I send you my ecu for plug and play tune ? Or it has to go on a dyno ?
😂😂😂😂 This was filmed on a closed course, and they on the side of a highway 😂😂😂
The Vtec is much more Pronounced. What is that a result of? Lowering or is that something in the custom tune?
Both. A little more timing in the high lift map
what would your device suggestion as a tuner be for tuning an 05 s2000?
Find a tuner near you like and trust and go with his option.
@@LHTPerformance I don’t know how to find tuners for one. Two, I live in california.
Is this also worth doing on the earliest AP1s? Nice info.
Flashpro is only available on 06+ models with drive by wire
@@trashs2k Thank you
John in hondata, do you know of any other issues that would cause boost cut besides the car overboosting?! I went for a drive today for the first time since my dyno tune in cooler weather, and I am hitting boost cut but I'm not over boosting. I momentarily had a check engine light and then it turned off . I don't know who to ask. You are the most knowledgeable person I know. Any input would greatly help thanks.
First you'll need to see if there is a boost cut and what it is set at. It's possible it could be blowing out the spark too
Boost cut is set at 14lbs of boost. I'm making about 11.5 lbs . What causes the spark to blow out? Thanks
Camlobes Vtec Spark blow could be weak coil or coils, too large of a gap etc. Boost cut is usually pretty noticeable.
Hey thanks. Yeah boost cut is crazy. 1st and 2nd gear are fine, but 3rd cuts at 6k. I didn't like hearing weak spark so I'll be putting in some OEM coil packs. I figure its almost time for some new ones with 120k . Hope all is well with you and your family.
Camlobes Vtec Do Spark plugs first. Always replaced the cheaper part first.
Sure wished it was easier to get this on the 04-05 AP2.
Scotty B I do too. I’m not sure why Hondata doesn’t seam to want to do it
I know what I'm going to ask is not related to this video but and sought information and no one specifically says anything. My question is, I have an em1 and I want to put a k20 on, but I want to know how much it costs and since I live in California, doing it would bring me problems with the state in
I’m not sure you can swap engines in Cali. Some States require the same engine or newer and retain all the equipment
s2000 hondata flash pro tuned
what afr do you find makes the best power on a stock NA engine?
Typically this is an open ended question. There's many variables, gas, compression and type of use. Rule of thumb is 12.5 to 1. Most cases you'll see very little power difference between 11.8 and 13.5. Always play it safe
Anyone else feeling like a kid again 😁
What’s the best way to tune an 05 ? Do I need to change out anything?
For anything boosted, the cheaper alternative is AEM Ems. The best option is to convert to Hondata K-Pro.
Just realized 4th gear tops out at 100.....interesting
Yup! You can hit 60 on second gear :)))
is there a tune like this that can be done on a 2005 S2000?
Yes go to the Hondata website for details. I don’t remember the conversion but it works with the K-pro tuner. They probably sell a conversion kit. Check their website out.
Doesnt seem worth it for only 2hp and little torque gain. Any reflash will change the ecu calibration number, so not true that it's "undetectable".
Does Hondata make it for 2005’s as well?
Only 06+. You can do a K-Pro conversion for the 00- 05 and run Hondata.
What does the Kpro do?
@@Croatianpunisher it’s Hondata. It uses a different ecu and allows the car to be tuned.
Do they make Hondata Flash Pro for a 2005 Honda S2000?
They don’t.
@@LHTPerformance so what can I use then? AEM V2?
How about for a 00-05 do you also tune on hondata kpro?
Yes. The K-Pro conversion is great on the 00-05 S2000
@@LHTPerformance Is it the same as this setup? I’m hearing the setup is different for 00-05. I would definitely prefer to use hondata.
@@nyjetsfan365 The K-Pro is quite a bit more involved than the Flash Pro used on 06+. It's well worth it though.
It is possible to dyno with the airbox mod?
Yes why would that matter?
Here ya go th-cam.com/video/LRw76rckSG0/w-d-xo.html
What's the best way to lower vtec on an ap1?
Pretty sure you will need to run a Haltech or something similar
APEX1
You can use the greddy emanage with karcepts tune with there harness or use ballade sports kpro plug and play.
closed course🤣🤣 of course
This may sound strange but has anyone every tune base on torque and not HP
HP is a bi product of torque. Keep your torque with rpm and more HP comes to the party.
The dyno measures torque. Then computes the HP based on torque and RPM. If you increased HP at a given RPM, you have increased torque
think of it like this, say i swing a 2lb hammer 3 feet and hit a baseball. to increase "torque"(force x distance = work) i can switch to a 5lb hammer but the baseball doesn't really go that much further. but if i take that 2lb hammer and swing it faster i can knock that baseball out really far, that's power(force x distance x speed). of course this is just an analogy so its not exactly like this but you should get the gist of it
Sort of understand, I just wondering saw a video wrc racing they where talking about shifting the power to range of rpm to get more torque and I ever wonder if they where tuning base on torque or just make the car more efficient at a certain rpm.
10Hp haircut 😁
Okay guys..love your stuff but your dragy date and 1/4 ET gain if severely flawed!!! The first run had a 60 ft. time of 3.45 sec and the 2nd run with flash was a 3.21 60ft. Anybody that knows Drag racing knows the 60 ft. time means a TON in the rest of the increment's !!! You only gained TWO hundreds on the 1/4 but the real figure you need to focus on is the MPH... MPH in the 1/4 is what means something for power. You seemed to have gained about 1 - 1.5 MPH which is about the only thing you can show as a true gain from that Flash. Again, the "Launch" / 60 Foot times would have had to be the EXACT same for it to really make a difference in the overall incrementals / ET's. MPH is what you need to focus on in the 1/4 to show overall power gains.
I’m sure you could tell by the draggy part we only half assed did the test. The dyno showed the results. The half ass drag was not really meant to be a bench mark.
@@LHTPerformance I get it. Yes the dyno and the "race weight & 1/4 MPH" calculations is really where it's at for measuring HP gains. If conditions / weight are the same / similar, then that's the tell tell. I just meant the 1/4 ET was totally irrelevant to that particular test. No offense was meant, I just was saying that I would have skipped showing / telling the ET. With almost two and a half tenths difference in the 60 ft, the gain in the ET wasn't actually good at all. However the MPH gain was...I would just focus on that for those that don't / can't understand all the incrementals of a 1/4 pass...Agian though, thank you and love your vids and work. I just bought my first ever S2000 (2005 with 44k miles - Stock), and that's how I found you. I would totally use you guys if / when I decide to have work done. Thanks
@@protectandswerve The draggy looks to be a great tool. Of course I own a dyno so I’m not going haul but on the street. I think that was the first time we used it, it’s now in George’s glove box …lol.
@@LHTPerformance I've got a Dragy as well... I have several "In Mexico" vids with it on my channel too! lol. Was testing my 60-130 times for my new tune in my Turbo S. Saw a 6.07 sec. and a 140 mph in the 1/4 with very soft 1.9x 60ft. launch. I agree they're great tools for testing new mods and gains under the right conditions / proper tests.