Hondata is just so simple and reliable... i learn how to tune on hondata and simply love it.. i wont change to something else unless i had no other choice, hondata still does everything i need it to do.
I don't know Mike... if an S300 can run an 8-sec AWD Civic... hard to justify the change. It's O.G., it's nostalgic, and it's made FOR our beloved Honda's (doesn't fit any other car).
The simple fact the ECU are 30 years old is enough reason to change. Can't tell you how many stock ECUs are trash just from age. For every 1 good ECU I've seen like 30 bad ones. Plus you need a trusted soldering installer, and harness installer .. it's a good system like he said. But once you get a GREAT standalone in your car you'll never want to go back. More power, more reliable more tuneability, more inputs and outputs, easy to go straight to COP. Big, traction control, CANBUS capabilities, self learning... So many ecu out there are well above the capabilities of hondata at the same price now.
The biggest barrier by far for FuelTech on this platform is going to be the complexity and expense of wiring and sensors. It doesn't stop at just the ECU, you're going to have to find someone to modify FuelTechs universal harness or pay for a custom one, switch to T1 cam trigger if you haven't already as well as switching to coils, either FuelTechs or Smart. This is a really big issue if you already have a custom Rywire/WireWorx or other custom harness that now has to be scrapped or adapted to the FuelTech unit. As of right now Haltech and AEM still have much more accessible standalones, mostly because they're plug and plug.
Also If u are a street car and need to pass an obd2 inspection in your state to get ur car tagged u can't because they won't be able to plug into ur OBD2 port for their computer to read and pass the emissions test, depending on the year of ur vehicle. Some people like their street rippers. Correct me if I'm wrong.
@@JeffreyGunner Where I live you have the option of plugging into OBD2 port or a weird ignition wire clamp. The reason is for smogging pre OBD2(96) cars and also for when the OBD2 port is problematic to read. I get issues with the OBD2 port and have to constantly use electronic cleaning spray in the port.
@@Nebbia_affaraccimiei If you have wired, it's a simple as locating the wire, laying it out, then determining length. You can order vehicle brand specific terminal kits. 100% user friendly. I'm currently switching over now.
My only issue with FuelTech and other stand alone systems, is for us street car guys that don't have full blown, trailered race cars and live in states that require reading from the obd2 port for vehicle inspections, the standalone systems can never "fool" the inspection systems, nor send data via the obd2 port. Where I live (in NY), I have to run kpro to keep the car legal.
Last year I had my Tax check and was ready to go from Kpro 4 to Fueltech ft450. I researched for weeks and came to the conclusion there was NOT enough support for Honda’s at the time. Support for doing the wiring and support for the initial setup etc. then you get into the trigger wheel and all that. I ABSOLUTELY loved the all in one dash/ecu. But the complexities and wiring etc seem quite DAUNTING. I’m quite savvy with doing wiring too and it STILL seemed like a gamble. You spend ALL that money and do ALL that wiring work you want it to ACTUALLY RUN afterwards. Fuel tech didn’t seem 100 percent full proof.
This is a nice standalone. Most important thing talk to your tuner before you buy this cause they will be the one tuning your car to get the best results
For a classic OBD1 Honda Civic you can still turbo it and get hondata for 500, and you said that the entry level $1,000 kit from fuel tech "might not have enough inputs" for a turbo setup, even though you said that the entry level price was comparable between the two. I love fuel tech they are awesome but it is also nice to have the screen available separately also if you are trying to save money so having it always included and costing hundreds more dollars doesn't seem like such an advantage to me as it is being advertised.
its the ECU thats the problem, look for a Vtec p28 on ebay... its like $200 bucks. the s300 unit is $495. if you want coil on plug kit.. 400 bucks. Traction control on hondata 600 Bucks. PLUS the cost of chipping a hondata... if you dont know how to do it... like I said... hondata is a good unit... just outdated.
@@diymike Yeah I think you're right. I can't wait with the way technology is going, smaller, cheaper, faster... in a few years hopefully standalones will be a few hundred bucks and the size of a phone.
@@diymike yep, $650-750 to chip and buy the s300v3 product, $50-$300 for the stock ecu alone All the other accessories like Cop, boost by gear, AfR gauges, harness.. cost the same or more.. vs Fueltech all intergated into one dash screen.. Ready to go..
FT is trash. Every TH-camr must be getting a hella great profit margin to push these. Fuel tech can barely do vvti cam control and it’s hardware is laughable compared to even 20 year old k ecus. SMH.
If you're still considering Hondata, Look at Honda Tuning Suite. It's free software, and the hardware needed is a fraction of the price. They are opening up K support.
For those guys that don’t have the kind of money , you guys should provide a good discount , should mention that if you guys want more future customers to switch
No you just needed the right ecu for your built the only real benefit to the newer ones is you can use the same engine management system in completely different cars.still need a pro to wire it up
I'm going to grab a ft550 from you. If you want to expand your plug and play harness options or give people the option for a full custom harness I can make them for you, ranging from full mill spec-race spec to oem+. Let me know and I'll reach out to you
For the beginners D16/B20vtec ebay builds Hondata is the only way to go. You can get a used s300 with boost by gear 3 to 400$. Fuel tech is nice but not for the beginners/budget builds.....
I totally agree with ya on that. I saw s300 on market place in my area going for 275. So i guess if u just look around ull find one. Fueltech is great but cant beat ol trustworthy HONDATA its what started the tuner game. Ya there was ones u can get get that someone loads on chip.but we know bout those junk boxes. If i had to put money on it, i would say hondata will soon come out with some like the f450 very soon. But mike its still a good deal for your prices
If you call Fueltec ask for Manny ext #2007. I am purchasing the ft450 for my b series build $899. Ft A engine harness is $599. Ft Nano O2 set up with sensor is $295. There 2 port boost controller is $150. There are 3 GM sensors I must but as well. All together, it's a bit over $2000 done right using there products. It's still a great value over motec, aem, or any other electronics out there.
I wish fuel tech was more popular a few years ago when I put together my H2B setup with the K series manifold. I paid wireworx for a custom harness that was about $700 and then paid like $550 for a S300 V2 not even a V3 and my car gives me constant TPS issues, no COP, no Bluetooth capability it sucks compared to Fuel tech. Could’ve had a better set up for a cheaper price.
You didn't mention the downside you found for the Hondata though other than having to buy traction control, bbg, and cop, you can do all of those with Honda Tuning Suite for free. What was the bottleneck in your opinion?
YOU RIGHT! thats why i decided to save up to add that extra dollars for fuel tech system vs hondata, aem and or other emanagement competitors out there. they cost the same or less for the whole package deal vs buyin everything separately from hondata, aem or other emanagement competitors just to boost. It does the job for a regular Street tune Naturally aspirated Honda motor swap. No need for fuel tech on that. FOR THE PRICE AND QUALITY EMANAGEMENT ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY SERVICE THE FUELTECH SYSTEM PROVIDES if you are track raced car out on force induction cars. You can't beat that deal in the racing business industry.
very cool man. thanks for the info. I was just talking to hondata the other day about a awd crv turbo project I might do i did not know about the add ons more$$$$$$$$$. but the covid problem kind of stopped me. I have a kid now fast car is gone. I need a bigger car. but wow if you really get all that that is a great price it it is easy to use i will look in to it.
Awesome video brother I'm sold... Got my consideration to sell my s300v3 now.. I run a b16a swapped and boosted civic ef sedan 88-89...90-91 dash spots are slightly different.... I'll be after this possibly this year if I can sell off enough of my stuff... looking to make my civic better as the usual for us all THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION
You don’t need a “hi tech” ECU, there is majority preference for hondata because it just work well, realible and OEM. Reasons to swap for fuel tech are meaning less, I got my hondata with AIM logger and works like a clock
I'm still on the fence, I've got a 89 crx with a built b16. I'm still running OBD0 PR3(stock) and PW0(Enjin chip) ECU's. I scored a P28 from a wrecking yard out of a auto Ex, haven't confirmed it works but I was planning on going OBD1 s300. I want to get into tuning, like the idea of running a laptop in the passenger seat. I think I can pull it off with a $400 Hondata and $200 laptop.
I have a 91 CRX SI with DOHC ZC and OBD0 to OBD1 conversion harness. I got a $100 P28 that I damaged trying to solder in a Demon II chip(Hondata competitor). Bought another P28 for $250 and realized my wideband was not wired properly to the ECU. I paid $270 for a Hako solder pump because my main screw up was desoldering. All in all I spend over $1k. I would have rather worked on wiring than ECU boards.
I like having my cars pass inspection. In my state, we get plugged in unfortunately. With kpro, I pass. I don’t believe you will pass with a stand-alone.
California just banned that... this year for any "Tuned" cars .... that might spread to other states. With fuel tech... it is a Off Road use only unit... but what we are looking into is getting our 80 - 90's cars to some type of show car or classic Vehicle status to be exempt.... and to drive on the road. it is different state to state
Good luck with that. It’s a shame that so many people are sticking their nose into the business of customizers. People who can’t tell a ECU from a brake pad are passing legislation that impacts us who just want to enjoy our older cars
@@mikegillam1000 please look into "The RPM Act". This IS whats happening. The EPA, using the laws already on the books, has it on thier minds to change the way you and I modify our cars. And they mean to kill an industry built up around racing and tuning. Just look at what Brent over at PFI Speed is going thru. Get involved and spread the info you find.
Bro its not all the simple… ur going from a piggyback to a standalone. Tuning a fuel tech is not a easy as a Hondata. Im from Brazil and here many guys have issues with their cars running 100% after installing a fuel tech.
What I learned as an IT person is that hardware is always cheap. It is software and support that is expensive. How many tuners know how to use the software?
Ill run s300 any day of the week, but i think Fueltech is BIG bucks, BIG racing. I cant justify spending the 1500+ for the overhaul on a $2000 car when i can find a used hondata for like 300-400 local
I agree 100% at this point i would rather put money toward a k swap and just run a k-pro. Obd1 hondas chipped ecu is the way to go. You could literaly just use crome or hts and a cheap burner and tune your own car for like 25$ lmao. A factory ecu has great throttle response and plug and play its hard to beat.
Huh? You do not have to replace your factory cluster. You can have the fueltech display off to the side somewhere or in your glovebox, using it as only a engine performance controller
Now all you need to do is put your money where your mouth is, prove to us and show us that this is better then Hondata and I'll be convinced. I look forward to the proving video. Greta video also..👍🏽
The simple fact the ECU are 30 years old is enough reason to change. Can't tell you how many stock ECUs are trash just from age. For every 1 good ECU I've seen like 30 bad ones. Plus you need a trusted soldering installer, and harness installer .. it's a good system like he said. But once you get a GREAT standalone in your car you'll never want to go back. More power, more reliable more tuneability, more inputs and outputs, easy to go straight to COP. Big, traction control, CANBUS capabilities, self learning... So many ecu out there are well above the capabilities of hondata at the same price now.
S300 & Kpro maintain the ODB 2 systems. For some with cars that are still on the road, that is very important. Not everyone wants to gut all the wiring and install a led screen in the dash. ECU replacement is very stealthy. Will the Fueltech work on all engines with out upgraded cam gears and still retain ODB ?
it will not.... off road use only..... BUT something to think about... California just passed a law that if you showed up with 'tuned ECU" .. reflash... you will not be able to register your vehicle... it will only be a matter of time when other states will outlaw... modified OEM ECU's and reflash.
I feel like price to price hondata is still cheaper well at least compared to the s300 v3 and most tuners can tune on this platform more comfortably because of the experience this platform is just too new right now to compare and kinda sound complex with all the wiring where as hondata is pretty much plug and play if you have obd1 you you plug your ecu in like normal if you obd2a/b you get a jumper harness pretty straight forward I would have to see how it compared but considering the price difference information and and the reliability I think ima stay with hondata for till I see some information on this
You cnt just say sell your hondata ecu or piggyback if the best tuner you know is use to tuning on hondata at the end of the day you get the programmable ecu or tuning solutions based on what your tuner prefers Hondata is known to run 8s so at the end of the day hondata is evolving and like flashpro they have basemaps specifically for the 8th gen 9th gen 10th gen si whether you want to go turbo nitrous sc or allmotor...you use what your tuner is more comfortable using
Quick Q&A I'm in the process in doing a k series NA build, haven't picked up a ECU as of yet. My Q is with this item all I would need is the factory ECU without going with Kpro? Have a 06 TSX with Type R Gear box 6speed. Thanks again for all your post.
$1,000 ? How much money for connect the harness to the oem car harness . Hondata has very good numbers on drag cars and for street cars daily drive is fantastic .
This is an awesome video man! Great job and keep doing what your doing hopefully in the near future I'll be able to hit you up for some engine management goodies.
I really want to buy a fueltech and wire it up, I have neptune RTP and somethings I wish I could dial in are not there. I have had good luck with doing DPFI wiring and OBD0 to OBD1 wiring, I see your comments below with showing initial setup and I will really be weighing if I should get this. Even for my stock d15b2 LOL. Also TunerView is off NeptuneRTP platform!!
Fueltech is good but for street cars Hondata is best. Fueltech is more for vehicles over 700hp but even tho I'm running my 08 Civic SI k24A boosted 788hp with Hondata flashpro
Serious question, what about someone who buys a new platform like the ‘22 Civic Si and they just want a flash tune. Hondata already has a $700 “plug and play” solution. Is there a FuelTech alternative catered to the layman/non-mechanic?
the difference is flashpro is to flash the stock ecu. Hondata has to follow the stock ECU's logic. Why you cannot run a BOV in 10th and 11th gen civics unless you run motec. Fueltech is not ideal for these newer cars. Fueltech is a STANDALONE ecu, you can bypass so many features that hondata or ktuner cannot do. In other words, you can reach for the stars with standalones
OK what “Limitations” exactly did you find that the Hondata could not do that the fuel tech can do???? You can’t help people watching this wonder if you are just saying these things because you are a dealer for the product and pushing it to make a sale and make money, be specific man come on. The other thing is “wiring” a Hondata is a plug and play even with a conversion harness that is cheap on eBay. A fuel tech is a full wiring job and that alone is a complicated thing for a lot of people. A Honda ECU if you change the capacitor and diode that could go out as a preventative maintenance is still easier and faster than trying to re wire an entire engine. The other thing is you can always just buy a brand new rywire harness to make your harness brand new too. I have used and tuned hundreds of Hondata S300 and never had a single issue or “Limitations”. Name one thing fuel tech can do that S300 can’t.
I am pretty sure there's not one honda running in the 7s in the quarter using hondata and if there are, its maybe two at the most. He's not wrong on the processing speed issues. Try sourcing a p28 unmodded and in good shape or god try modding a p13 lude ecu for h swapped accords. There's a reason my h22 has vtec locked out and twin webber side drafts.
At the end of the day sadly no matter what new and best of best are out there. What ever your local good tuner specialize in will always be better than some new modern stuff. Given the new stuff is probably easy to use but thats life. Get what your local tuner can tune best at.
How about some J series love? Specifically j35z1? Just want to boost! Nothing crazy! Need timing! Was gonna build speeduino but then I have coil in plug and lose sequencial fuel ugh! Help!
Sup Mike, been a good time subscriber. Your content is legit. I have a 06' lexus IS250 FBO with start-up issues with the immobilizer system. You think the Fueltec can override that anti-theft system issue?
if the immobilizer is IN THE ECU, then yes. but its not as simple as that, if is250 has a can bus system then you have a tune it for that on top of the engine.
I love my Hondas. They will only ever be clean street cars, and for that. Hondata is good enough for me. Not everyone wants to pay over a g for tuning. Even Moates demon is good enough for most people.
Hondata is just so simple and reliable... i learn how to tune on hondata and simply love it.. i wont change to something else unless i had no other choice, hondata still does everything i need it to do.
I don't know Mike... if an S300 can run an 8-sec AWD Civic... hard to justify the change. It's O.G., it's nostalgic, and it's made FOR our beloved Honda's (doesn't fit any other car).
The simple fact the ECU are 30 years old is enough reason to change. Can't tell you how many stock ECUs are trash just from age. For every 1 good ECU I've seen like 30 bad ones. Plus you need a trusted soldering installer, and harness installer .. it's a good system like he said. But once you get a GREAT standalone in your car you'll never want to go back. More power, more reliable more tuneability, more inputs and outputs, easy to go straight to COP. Big, traction control, CANBUS capabilities, self learning... So many ecu out there are well above the capabilities of hondata at the same price now.
Not true. You can make it run other cars
So can a carb ...
I dunno man....That AOL 56k is nostalgic and OG....Hard to justify cable. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The biggest barrier by far for FuelTech on this platform is going to be the complexity and expense of wiring and sensors. It doesn't stop at just the ECU, you're going to have to find someone to modify FuelTechs universal harness or pay for a custom one, switch to T1 cam trigger if you haven't already as well as switching to coils, either FuelTechs or Smart. This is a really big issue if you already have a custom Rywire/WireWorx or other custom harness that now has to be scrapped or adapted to the FuelTech unit. As of right now Haltech and AEM still have much more accessible standalones, mostly because they're plug and plug.
good info man. 💪🏼
Not unless you run a jumper harness in conjunction with the oem ecu.
Also If u are a street car and need to pass an obd2 inspection in your state to get ur car tagged u can't because they won't be able to plug into ur OBD2 port for their computer to read and pass the emissions test, depending on the year of ur vehicle. Some people like their street rippers. Correct me if I'm wrong.
@@JeffreyGunner Where I live you have the option of plugging into OBD2 port or a weird ignition wire clamp. The reason is for smogging pre OBD2(96) cars and also for when the OBD2 port is problematic to read. I get issues with the OBD2 port and have to constantly use electronic cleaning spray in the port.
Now you gotta show the install on one of the cars so people can see the difference in the initial setup
including how long it takes to redo the whole wiring
100% already working on it
@@diymike Do a DIY on how to wire these to your D/B/K harness and people would abandone hondata real quick.
@@Nebbia_affaraccimiei If you have wired, it's a simple as locating the wire, laying it out, then determining length. You can order vehicle brand specific terminal kits. 100% user friendly. I'm currently switching over now.
I will wait for the diy install to honda D/B/H series tnx
My only issue with FuelTech and other stand alone systems, is for us street car guys that don't have full blown, trailered race cars and live in states that require reading from the obd2 port for vehicle inspections, the standalone systems can never "fool" the inspection systems, nor send data via the obd2 port.
Where I live (in NY), I have to run kpro to keep the car legal.
Honestly bro, fuel tech seems cool and all but I’m not all about making an engine harness, I just want a street car not a full on drag car.
Last year I had my Tax check and was ready to go from Kpro 4 to Fueltech ft450. I researched for weeks and came to the conclusion there was NOT enough support for Honda’s at the time. Support for doing the wiring and support for the initial setup etc. then you get into the trigger wheel and all that. I ABSOLUTELY loved the all in one dash/ecu. But the complexities and wiring etc seem quite DAUNTING. I’m quite savvy with doing wiring too and it STILL seemed like a gamble. You spend ALL that money and do ALL that wiring work you want it to ACTUALLY RUN afterwards. Fuel tech didn’t seem 100 percent full proof.
just started wiring mine up today, my advice is to plan, plan, plan, and have a lot of patience
The ft450 runs a boosted engine just fine. There are Plenty of outputs for boost control and BBG. No worries
I recently switched over to Fuel Tech from Kpro. Wired the car up and got it to turn on. Next I have to get it tuned. Don’t regret it 🙏🏽
This is a nice standalone. Most important thing talk to your tuner before you buy this cause they will be the one tuning your car to get the best results
For a classic OBD1 Honda Civic you can still turbo it and get hondata for 500, and you said that the entry level $1,000 kit from fuel tech "might not have enough inputs" for a turbo setup, even though you said that the entry level price was comparable between the two. I love fuel tech they are awesome but it is also nice to have the screen available separately also if you are trying to save money so having it always included and costing hundreds more dollars doesn't seem like such an advantage to me as it is being advertised.
its the ECU thats the problem, look for a Vtec p28 on ebay... its like $200 bucks. the s300 unit is $495. if you want coil on plug kit.. 400 bucks. Traction control on hondata 600 Bucks. PLUS the cost of chipping a hondata... if you dont know how to do it... like I said... hondata is a good unit... just outdated.
@@diymike Yeah I think you're right. I can't wait with the way technology is going, smaller, cheaper, faster... in a few years hopefully standalones will be a few hundred bucks and the size of a phone.
@@diymike yep,
$650-750 to chip and buy the s300v3 product, $50-$300 for the stock ecu alone
All the other accessories like
Cop, boost by gear, AfR gauges, harness.. cost the same or more..
vs Fueltech all intergated into one dash screen.. Ready to go..
Or Crome, HTS, Neptune if you feel like spending money. I wouldn’t buy anything for obd1 tbh. Chipped ecu, demon or other emulator, hts and you’re set
FT is trash. Every TH-camr must be getting a hella great profit margin to push these. Fuel tech can barely do vvti cam control and it’s hardware is laughable compared to even 20 year old k ecus. SMH.
Haltech ftw
If you're still considering Hondata, Look at Honda Tuning Suite. It's free software, and the hardware needed is a fraction of the price. They are opening up K support.
I heard this before, guess its over a year has been on thier website about k series
They've got eighth gen R18 and K20 civics dialed in.
For those guys that don’t have the kind of money , you guys should provide a good discount , should mention that if you guys want more future customers to switch
The people at FuelTech are Amazing! I can't wait to get a FT550!!
Just bought my s300 2 weeks ago. Darn... I feel you on this tho. Maybe in the future ill switch to fuel tech when I get towards bigger powa
No you just needed the right ecu for your built the only real benefit to the newer ones is you can use the same engine management system in completely different cars.still need a pro to wire it up
I'm going to grab a ft550 from you. If you want to expand your plug and play harness options or give people the option for a full custom harness I can make them for you, ranging from full mill spec-race spec to oem+. Let me know and I'll reach out to you
BUMP
keen to see some fueltech wiring content and videos
For the beginners D16/B20vtec ebay builds Hondata is the only way to go. You can get a used s300 with boost by gear 3 to 400$. Fuel tech is nice but not for the beginners/budget builds.....
S300v1 ecus are going for 550 rn and v3 ecus are around 850. Prices are ridiculous rn.
@@acevedohiram in my area used ones are selling for 3 to 4 maybe 5 at the very most
@@gainesinlife that's way cheap. No one local is selling theirs out here so ebay is pretty much it what I'm stuck with. Nuts
I totally agree with ya on that. I saw s300 on market place in my area going for 275. So i guess if u just look around ull find one. Fueltech is great but cant beat ol trustworthy HONDATA its what started the tuner game. Ya there was ones u can get get that someone loads on chip.but we know bout those junk boxes. If i had to put money on it, i would say hondata will soon come out with some like the f450 very soon. But mike its still a good deal for your prices
@@acevedohiram v3s are going for 500 man
I would love to put my eg project to the test. I still haven't fully decided what ECU system I should go with but this sounds good to me..
If you call Fueltec ask for Manny ext #2007. I am purchasing the ft450 for my b series build $899. Ft A engine harness is $599. Ft Nano O2 set up with sensor is $295. There 2 port boost controller is $150. There are 3 GM sensors I must but as well. All together, it's a bit over $2000 done right using there products. It's still a great value over motec, aem, or any other electronics out there.
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I wish fuel tech was more popular a few years ago when I put together my H2B setup with the K series manifold. I paid wireworx for a custom harness that was about $700 and then paid like $550 for a S300 V2 not even a V3 and my car gives me constant TPS issues, no COP, no Bluetooth capability it sucks compared to Fuel tech. Could’ve had a better set up for a cheaper price.
I use Hondata... It's 👌
Id be the happiest boy if you sent me a hondata
You didn't mention the downside you found for the Hondata though other than having to buy traction control, bbg, and cop, you can do all of those with Honda Tuning Suite for free. What was the bottleneck in your opinion?
I hear ya Mike. I wish I had known about Fuel Tech before I bought my s300 a few years ago, for all the benefits that you mentioned.
YOU RIGHT! thats why i decided to save up to add that extra dollars for fuel tech system vs hondata, aem and or other emanagement competitors out there. they cost the same or less for the whole package deal vs buyin everything separately from hondata, aem or other emanagement competitors just to boost. It does the job for a regular Street tune Naturally aspirated Honda motor swap. No need for fuel tech on that.
FOR THE PRICE AND QUALITY EMANAGEMENT ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY SERVICE THE FUELTECH SYSTEM PROVIDES if you are track raced car out on force induction cars. You can't beat that deal in the racing business industry.
Thank you! Been saying this for awhile now!
I've been following for a long time.
very cool man. thanks for the info. I was just talking to hondata the other day about a awd crv turbo project I might do i did not know about the add ons more$$$$$$$$$. but the covid problem kind of stopped me. I have a kid now fast car is gone. I need a bigger car. but wow if you really get all that that is a great price it it is easy to use i will look in to it.
Awesome video brother
I'm sold...
Got my consideration to sell my s300v3 now.. I run a b16a swapped and boosted civic ef sedan
88-89...90-91 dash spots are slightly different.... I'll be after this possibly this year if I can sell off enough of my stuff... looking to make my civic better as the usual for us all
THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION
You don’t need a “hi tech” ECU, there is majority preference for hondata because it just work well, realible and OEM. Reasons to swap for fuel tech are meaning less, I got my hondata with AIM logger and works like a clock
I'm still on the fence, I've got a 89 crx with a built b16. I'm still running OBD0 PR3(stock) and PW0(Enjin chip) ECU's. I scored a P28 from a wrecking yard out of a auto Ex, haven't confirmed it works but I was planning on going OBD1 s300. I want to get into tuning, like the idea of running a laptop in the passenger seat. I think I can pull it off with a $400 Hondata and $200 laptop.
I have a 91 CRX SI with DOHC ZC and OBD0 to OBD1 conversion harness. I got a $100 P28 that I damaged trying to solder in a Demon II chip(Hondata competitor). Bought another P28 for $250 and realized my wideband was not wired properly to the ECU.
I paid $270 for a Hako solder pump because my main screw up was desoldering.
All in all I spend over $1k. I would have rather worked on wiring than ECU boards.
What can I do for a J Series, I've heard that the ecu is locked so you can't tune. Piggybacks are like $1500.
I got a 99 Honda Accord 3.0L J30a1 btw.
I got something for you bro. J series has so much potential
If you go Ft get the 550 for a k series youll appreciate the extra inputs.
this is correct, you CAN.... get away with a 450 on a "stock" k series... but you run out of inputs quick
Definitely make a vid on install and tuning on fuel tech! I’m interested in the FT550. Also can u make more video uploads lol
Nice thing with the hondata is that you can still pass state emissions in certain states….It’s more “street legal”
california banned hondata this year... and any engine management tunes and reflashes ... soon everybody will be doing it
I like having my cars pass inspection. In my state, we get plugged in unfortunately. With kpro, I pass. I don’t believe you will pass with a stand-alone.
California just banned that... this year for any "Tuned" cars .... that might spread to other states. With fuel tech... it is a Off Road use only unit... but what we are looking into is getting our 80 - 90's cars to some type of show car or classic Vehicle status to be exempt.... and to drive on the road. it is different state to state
Good luck with that. It’s a shame that so many people are sticking their nose into the business of customizers. People who can’t tell a ECU from a brake pad are passing legislation that impacts us who just want to enjoy our older cars
@@mikegillam1000 please look into "The RPM Act". This IS whats happening. The EPA, using the laws already on the books, has it on thier minds to change the way you and I modify our cars. And they mean to kill an industry built up around racing and tuning. Just look at what Brent over at PFI Speed is going thru. Get involved and spread the info you find.
Great vid thanks for the knowledge
Bro its not all the simple… ur going from a piggyback to a standalone. Tuning a fuel tech is not a easy as a Hondata. Im from Brazil and here many guys have issues with their cars running 100% after installing a fuel tech.
What I learned as an IT person is that hardware is always cheap. It is software and support that is expensive. How many tuners know how to use the software?
Ill run s300 any day of the week, but i think Fueltech is BIG bucks, BIG racing. I cant justify spending the 1500+ for the overhaul on a $2000 car when i can find a used hondata for like 300-400 local
I agree 100% at this point i would rather put money toward a k swap and just run a k-pro. Obd1 hondas chipped ecu is the way to go. You could literaly just use crome or hts and a cheap burner and tune your own car for like 25$ lmao. A factory ecu has great throttle response and plug and play its hard to beat.
Wish I have the money. I'd jump on this stuff already and start learning about tuning.
the issue is that who ever uses obd2 and wants to stick with the stock dash they cant use the fueltech
Huh? You do not have to replace your factory cluster. You can have the fueltech display off to the side somewhere or in your glovebox, using it as only a engine performance controller
Now all you need to do is put your money where your mouth is, prove to us and show us that this is better then Hondata and I'll be convinced. I look forward to the proving video. Greta video also..👍🏽
im on it bro !
@@diymike good man, that's what I like to see. Can't wait..👍🏽
The simple fact the ECU are 30 years old is enough reason to change. Can't tell you how many stock ECUs are trash just from age. For every 1 good ECU I've seen like 30 bad ones. Plus you need a trusted soldering installer, and harness installer .. it's a good system like he said. But once you get a GREAT standalone in your car you'll never want to go back. More power, more reliable more tuneability, more inputs and outputs, easy to go straight to COP. Big, traction control, CANBUS capabilities, self learning... So many ecu out there are well above the capabilities of hondata at the same price now.
This is nice! Maybe on my new build I will go this route.
S300 & Kpro maintain the ODB 2 systems. For some with cars that are still on the road, that is very important. Not everyone wants to gut all the wiring and install a led screen in the dash. ECU replacement is very stealthy. Will the Fueltech work on all engines with out upgraded cam gears and still retain ODB ?
it will not.... off road use only..... BUT something to think about... California just passed a law that if you showed up with 'tuned ECU" .. reflash... you will not be able to register your vehicle... it will only be a matter of time when other states will outlaw... modified OEM ECU's and reflash.
Can I pass emissions with fuel tech I don't think so. Fuel tech great for track but how good is it for street use with emissions vehicles?
I might have to try this ems on my next build 🔰💪🏽
When will the B-Series Patch/Jumper Harness be available for the FT450?
we are working on that, just need to test it on B series
I feel like price to price hondata is still cheaper well at least compared to the s300 v3 and most tuners can tune on this platform more comfortably because of the experience this platform is just too new right now to compare and kinda sound complex with all the wiring where as hondata is pretty much plug and play if you have obd1 you you plug your ecu in like normal if you obd2a/b you get a jumper harness pretty straight forward I would have to see how it compared but considering the price difference information and and the reliability I think ima stay with hondata for till I see some information on this
You cnt just say sell your hondata ecu or piggyback if the best tuner you know is use to tuning on hondata at the end of the day you get the programmable ecu or tuning solutions based on what your tuner prefers Hondata is known to run 8s so at the end of the day hondata is evolving and like flashpro they have basemaps specifically for the 8th gen 9th gen 10th gen si whether you want to go turbo nitrous sc or allmotor...you use what your tuner is more comfortable using
The 450 is the bare minimum to run the engine, fuel pump etc. The 550 is where most people will probably be.
It’s possible but yes you correct
How much is the 550?
should do a video on how to setup the fueltech for hondas
I will ... for the culture
Quick Q&A I'm in the process in doing a k series NA build, haven't picked up a ECU as of yet. My Q is with this item all I would need is the factory ECU without going with Kpro? Have a 06 TSX with Type R Gear box 6speed. Thanks again for all your post.
Then you have to spend 3 days wiring it into your existing harness & pray you did it right
$1,000 ? How much money for connect the harness to the oem car harness . Hondata has very good numbers on drag cars and for street cars daily drive is fantastic .
FT has no baro connection. Driving up into the Rockies fuel drifted to almost 30% error
would probably run that in my rsx if there’s a guide. Funny part is you can sell kpro for the same amount you bought it for lol.
This is an awesome video man! Great job and keep doing what your doing hopefully in the near future I'll be able to hit you up for some engine management goodies.
Would like to see these set up on new civics like the 8/9/10 Si’s and R…
This is solely based on need if you are running a street car where you don’t need a bunch out outputs/inputs no need for FuelTech
I really want to buy a fueltech and wire it up, I have neptune RTP and somethings I wish I could dial in are not there. I have had good luck with doing DPFI wiring and OBD0 to OBD1 wiring, I see your comments below with showing initial setup and I will really be weighing if I should get this. Even for my stock d15b2 LOL. Also TunerView is off NeptuneRTP platform!!
Preech brother they aren't supporting us no more 😔 all us 8th gen guys are sol !
Fueltech is good but for street cars Hondata is best. Fueltech is more for vehicles over 700hp but even tho I'm running my 08 Civic SI k24A boosted 788hp with Hondata flashpro
I'm running a ecu-master it's pretty good
Sold I'll buy one when I pick up another project
How do you pass emissions with that?
Is there a OBD plug and will it show emission moduals passing
i know guys running 8s on hondata
Serious question, what about someone who buys a new platform like the ‘22 Civic Si and they just want a flash tune. Hondata already has a $700 “plug and play” solution. Is there a FuelTech alternative catered to the layman/non-mechanic?
the difference is flashpro is to flash the stock ecu. Hondata has to follow the stock ECU's logic. Why you cannot run a BOV in 10th and 11th gen civics unless you run motec. Fueltech is not ideal for these newer cars. Fueltech is a STANDALONE ecu, you can bypass so many features that hondata or ktuner cannot do. In other words, you can reach for the stars with standalones
Thank you awesome information and very ture .
What the diff price range from entry mid An baller packages for the fuel reck I only see the 450 entry level
OK what “Limitations” exactly did you find that the Hondata could not do that the fuel tech can do????
You can’t help people watching this wonder if you are just saying these things because you are a dealer for the product and pushing it to make a sale and make money, be specific man come on.
The other thing is “wiring” a Hondata is a plug and play even with a conversion harness that is cheap on eBay. A fuel tech is a full wiring job and that alone is a complicated thing for a lot of people.
A Honda ECU if you change the capacitor and diode that could go out as a preventative maintenance is still easier and faster than trying to re wire an entire engine. The other thing is you can always just buy a brand new rywire harness to make your harness brand new too.
I have used and tuned hundreds of Hondata S300 and never had a single issue or “Limitations”. Name one thing fuel tech can do that S300 can’t.
I am pretty sure there's not one honda running in the 7s in the quarter using hondata and if there are, its maybe two at the most. He's not wrong on the processing speed issues. Try sourcing a p28 unmodded and in good shape or god try modding a p13 lude ecu for h swapped accords. There's a reason my h22 has vtec locked out and twin webber side drafts.
So what’s your going rate out the door just to wire up an OBD1 Honda/Acura NA setup?
we have that in the works, all our cars are getting wired up for fueltech
You know I noticed this not to long ago to buy the ecm buy all the other plug ins and add ons and this has literally cleared the air
Problem is always the cost with all these new engine management hardware.
I have no issues with My Hondata flashpro and I'm running 788hp
Hondata is good enough for my application
This works for a kswap? As far i know k pros are the best for it
Does the FT ecu's not have a built in map sensor?
They do,a 100 psi one
Dang why yoi gotta cut Dennis off like that in your edit. 😅. Nice vid!
I’m based in Australia, have you done any support overseas?
At the end of the day sadly no matter what new and best of best are out there. What ever your local good tuner specialize in will always be better than some new modern stuff. Given the new stuff is probably easy to use but thats life. Get what your local tuner can tune best at.
a fueltech dealer telling you to not use hondata so you can buy their product is wild
How about some J series love? Specifically j35z1? Just want to boost! Nothing crazy! Need timing! Was gonna build speeduino but then I have coil in plug and lose sequencial fuel ugh! Help!
When is battle born shop opening up
Haven't seen any fuel tech powered Fk8, is that something you guys will work in the future?
But the cost is not close with kseries ..the ft450 wont do the kswap cuz no vtc control so u need the ft 550.its 50% more cost than the kpro
Are y’all going to do the EF set up’s
What about us weird guys that want to keep our factory instrument cluster? lol
Just spend 1500 on kpro v4 and cam gear wtf for my em2 but I just plug it in to the harness that one looks like I have to wire the hole harness
Well could you sell me one of those outdated Hondata ecu for $200 since you will have no use for them?
Agreed
Sup Mike, been a good time subscriber. Your content is legit. I have a 06' lexus IS250 FBO with start-up issues with the immobilizer system. You think the Fueltec can override that anti-theft system issue?
if the immobilizer is IN THE ECU, then yes. but its not as simple as that, if is250 has a can bus system then you have a tune it for that on top of the engine.
@@diymike Cool, thanks needed to make sure before I purchase it
What fuel tech system do you recommend for running nitrous and eventually a turbo as well?
Nexus R5 is the best with built in PDM.
I love my Hondas. They will only ever be clean street cars, and for that. Hondata is good enough for me. Not everyone wants to pay over a g for tuning. Even Moates demon is good enough for most people.
How is this different from the FlashPro OBD II kit?