.357 Mag VS 10mm VS .44 Mag Soft Point - Dangerous Game Ballistic Test
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- Testing .357 Magnum, 10mm auto and .44 Magnum soft points in a "big game" ballistic test. The .357 Mag is a 158 gr SJSP, the 10mm is a 10mm soft point and the .44 Mag is a 240 gr SJSP. I do a 10% Clear Ballistics test with 1/2" medium density fiberboard and an animal hide simulation. Always appreciative of any channel help :) www.patreon.com/user?u=5828221
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The Glock 41: Obviously I get weird jams with 10mm ammo being a conversion from a thin slide .45 ACP pistol. But, I started getting jams in it's stock configuration with .45 ACP so I am ordering a new OEM magazine, OEM magazine release (to place back on the left side) and OEM magazine release spring to see if this clears up the jams, I couldn't get a new OEM extractor as it's more rare as only the G36 and G41 thin slide pistols use this particular extractor. This should clear up the jams and I plan to stop 10mm testing and move onto more .45 Super testing in my Glock with my KKM .45 ACP fully supported barrel.
Don't stop testing 10mm, I love 10mm !!! But would also love to see 45 super!!!!
I don't know what part of the country you are in but if you live near me I would lend you a Super Redhawk 10mm that I have for your videos.......But I would need to find away to make the cylnder fall out every time you pull the trigger, cant loose that part of your 10mm shows......
Get star line 45 super brass,you can get crazy numbers with it ,but you need a really heavy recoil spring. I'm not as brave with my g21 as I am with my 1911 though, pushing a 230 grain well over 1300,1 was pushing full on rowland loads but slowed them down a bit. You can also get some ramshot enforcer and you can push a 230 in the acp 1100ish fps without going above Sami specs do a little digging online and you can find the download for all the loads,or earch fast 45 acp loads and get a few of them. Really bummed out they stopped publishing enforcer loads for 45acp because they felt it was inefficient, the recipe hasn't changed and they confirmed it via email 2-3 years ago but it wasn't a fast response just like when they replied to the author of fast 45acp loads article
why are we using weak power .357 mag... seems unfair since it looks likes 9mm +p power
Another vote for 10mm! If we all pitch in will you just get a S&W 610 in 10mm/.40S&W and keep putting those rounds down range?
In south Florida I hear the black bears and cougars will buy your drinks
At The Villages, STD's are off the chain with some of those cougars! That place is wild.
They desperate to be penetrated.
But likely disappointed if you bring a soft point.
@@8d4o0c4 lol, now that was funny
@@joshuagibson2520Hopefully you heard that from a friend
One of the things I like best about your channel is how you don't edit out things like your magazine falling out or on the occasion when you miss, which isn't very often.
Nice video. The 357 Magnum and 10mm always compare favorably with each other. It mostly depends on ammunition as to which is going to be more powerful but I feel personally it’s splitting hairs. I suppose the true advantage of the 357 Magnum is you can get 8” barrel revolvers for it that would step its power up.
The 44 Magnum is a serious round. It’s outclassed now as far as power goes by several different cartridges but with that said it’s still a very powerful round that even getting handicapped by a 4” barrel still easily outran the others in this test. Like we say in the car world, there is no replacement for displacement.
357 is still my personal favorite.
Thanks. 357 and 10mm are really close, the way I see it is 10mm is better for bear and .357 better for bad guys. Don't need all that 10mm mass to overpenetrate on creeps. But bears, well you need it.
@@GunSam good analogy
Yeh, I use the Buffalo bore 255 grain Keith style " reduced recoil" out of my 329pd, clocked at 950 fpe. It's a bit snappy:)
@@KevinSmith-os5yz 329pd is an awesome gun. I’ve never shot one but always wanted too. I know they are ridiculously light but I always kinda thought where they are an N frame gun they wouldn’t be too bad to shoot. I may be wrong though lol.
@@KevinSmith-os5yz Cool S&W with the right ammo ... other than kills on both ends , some bullets can walk out & jam the works .
You know what I think brother I think the same people that are saying don't limp wrist your gun are the same people that couldn't hit the broadside of a barn with a 10 mm. Especially Beyond 7 yd . Keep up the great videos brother. Learning a lot
When you factor in everything, particularly magazine capacity, I'm very happy to stick with my 10mm Springfield XDm. Thanks for the video!
Magazine capacity only makes the firearm heavier. Maybe in a battle it will make a difference but in an animal attack speed and nerve are the two very important factors.
That mag dropping out is so hilarious. It's like something that would happen in a three stooges film. I completely understand the problems, since that is a conversion. Excellent video as always.
I always had that problem with my Gen 4 G20 also, with a thumbs-forward support hand grip.
Dude just needs to get a straight up 10mm. He seems to always have problems with the conversion glock.
Awesome job GunSam! Perfectly shown to us as usual. The explanation of power level/recoil is very helpful to new shooters. I like how the 38/357M has a huge range and FPS/Grain weights. and the 44M is even larger range. If you reload its even wider. Both can be tailored to your comfort level. Both are kinda special as they came from the old black powder days and have been updated to modern smokeless powders. In 1899, the .38 Spl. was loaded with 21 grains of blackpowder for a velocity of 775 f.p.s. with a 158-grain lead, round-nose bullet, however, within a year, smokeless powder loads became available. There have been literally millions of revolvers chambered in .38 Spl. over its 125yr life so far. Smith & Wesson came out with its Model 3 American First Model in 1870 chambered in new "44S&W American".218-gr. outside-lubricated bullet in front of 25 grs. of FFG blackpowder. Velocity out of a 6.5" barrel was 660 f.p.s., with 196 ft.-lbs. of energy! Russia took considerable interest in the Model 3 but found the outside-lubricated bullet a hindrance. Smith helped them and developed 44 Russian from the 44S&W American by shrinking the bullet diameter from 0.434" to 0.429" and lengthening the case from 0.91" to 0.97". In 1905, and it was time to go big. Smith & Wesson developed a new Solid frame .44 frame, lengthened the .44 Russian case -.19", added 0.003" to the thickness of the rim and increased the powder capacity by some 3 grains. The result was the 44 Spl and it came out in 1908. The .44 Spl. replicated the ballistics its Russian daddy, a 246-gr. conical-lead bullet at 755 f.p.s. Amateur ballisticians realized there was potential in the .44 Spl. These guys put together a bunch of .44 Special geeks of the day and called themselves "The .44 Associates". Elmer Kieth was one of them and they loved and developed the 44Spl and eventually blew a couple up while developing loads and later famous Kieth bullet molds, maxing out the accuracy and power of the 44Spl. All the while writing about this in American rifleman as they went! All of this load development eventually spawned the new stronger and longer case and out came the .44 Mag. in 1955. Here we are 125 yrs later with 38Spl and 116yrs later with the 44Spl and 1955s 44mag.
One thing your videos always shows is the inconsistencies of soft points and hollow points.
I know I sound like a broken record here but those Lehigh bullets stay consistent in penentration and wound cavities.
I still give the win to 357mag based on ease of follow up shot if needed. A great balance of power and recoil.
As always, great video. Keep up the hard work!
Thanks. They are always available. While I am hesitant to test many due to not being able to show expansion, I think one day when I get a windshield to do some pass through gel tests, they might do a lot better than HP's especial in .38 Special and similar calibers.
You don’t get the same wound channel in actual flesh as they the Lehigh bullets show in ballistics gel.
@@hawkinsoutdoors1761 have you shot anything with them, then opened it up? I have. Pigs, deer and coyotes... they do as much as any hollow point
Wilson combat bought Lehigh and opened a plant an hour away from me so they can manufacture ammo. I’m interested to see what they start turning out.
@@philphlegm2549 they are making no changes as of now. Same ammo as before.
The 357 mag over the counter rounds of today are weaker than they were in the past.
I had some rounds of my Dads that I fired off just to shoot them because they were very old.
He bought them in the 60's . Compared to rounds I bought just like them a couple years ago.
They were 158 grain semi wadcutters. There was a marked difference in the power.
They ran over 290 to 312 fps faster than modern rounds. I think the manufacturers have dropped down on powder loads for profit.
Buffalo Bore seems to be one of the few that will load up the 357 to it's potential.
They've been watered down a lot of the years
I think they have detuned the 357 mag. because of all the lightweight frames out there. Thanks, smith & wesson .
Thanks for the test, I have a lot of jacketed soft points in 357 mag.👍👍
Interesting test! Obviously if you can handle it, the .44 mag is the way to go. The .357 and 10mm are fine and will take care of business, so I would be happy with any of the three.
Not a 10mm fanboy at all BUT when loaded to how Col. Jeff Cooper specified, it's a force to be reckoned with.
Thank you. Every time you struggle with that Glock conversion, it reminds me why I’m still an old fart wheel gunner.
Same here
Likewise
Conventional wisdom in the South West is Mountain lions are thin skinned predictors seldom reaching 145 to 150 pounds. Any hollow point service round will suffice.
Bears can very in size and temperament a lot
I've been binge watching your videos. Thank you for your effort
I have a .357 and 1911 10mm. 10mm has the edge on .357 with a much heavier bullet and same velocity. Either one is a great threat stopper. The .44 is just a beast & always will be.
As always, excellent video!
My favorite handgun channel by far! Thank you Sam
As a newish shooter, I learn a lot watching your videos, thank you.
357 edc. Visiting son in Ak, 44 mag for woods hiking & atv riding. Great video
Excellent vid, throw 45acp in there some time. My poor man's bear load is a truncated point fmj. Nice shooting as usual.
I wonder how a 357 Magnum soft point premium cartridge would shoot against the 10 mm.? American Eagle stuff is pretty low power, and the Federal Premium in the 10 mm pretty hot. Just curious. Excellent video as always!
Minor nitpick: The *original* .357 magnum load was a 158 grain LSWC, not a JSP.
Best gel test I've seen, cheers
Thanks again for sharing a good and interesting video. Fun to see the heavy-duty rounds. Take care.
Thank you, take care.
A good Video for comparison. I have 357 Mag, 10 MM and 44 Mags. I am a 10MM convert and love it! I carry the 10MM with a 44 mag back up in the woods for bears.
yep
@@rickymcdaniel7971 In real bear woods .. why not
@@danoneill2846 Comfort, weight and practicality. If you are going to walk any distance, then carrying two large handguns is cumbersome, I've carried in the woods and even one large handgun can be uncomfortable after a while. If you aren't walking then you don't even need one, unless you think a bear is going to attack you in your truck.
@@rickymcdaniel7971 I have life insurance just in case. The 44 Mag is just an insurance policy. If you have ever been confronted by a charging Grizzly, You want all the insurance, JUST IN CASE. I don't mind the extra weight vs the peace of mind I receive. Besides, the 44 is less than the 80 lbs pack I carried in the Marines.
@@rickymcdaniel7971 No issue with a good holster ... or just hold one in your hand . When face to face with a bear ... Comfort = a good heater & a back up . I have hunted when I carried a rifle & had a G20 or 8"44 in a holster . I carry the rifle ... Not sling it .. as if needed you have no time to jerk around , lift , aim & fire .
Given the minimal expansion observed in all 3 rounds, I believe I'd just as soon load cast bullets rather than jacketed soft-nose bullets...cast are cheaper.
yep less drag more vel ... or less powder for the same Vel
357 magnum JSP is my go-to defense round. They make that style in stuff like 30-30 and other hunting rounds for a reason
I use scotch and cigars too scared away cougars. Sometimes I even leave the toilet seat up, they hate that
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The .44 Magnum dominates the other two although it is hard to say how far the .357's would have gone had they not hit the bottom and gone out the top.
I like all 3 but I carry 10 mm because of capacity I carry at 357 revolver for backup 3 inch barrel
Enjoying this series on "dangerous game" defense with the kind of guns that people might actually have already. Two items: First, that Federal classic JSP round did really well out of a six-inch 686+ when Paul Harrel tested it. About 1360 fps, IIRC and it shook up his "big-game meat target" well. Nice to see a fairly available and affordable load do well! Second, the only study I've ever seen of bear attacks showed that a variety of handgun calibers have done well in stopping most of the animals. You don't need to listen to the internet experts telling you that you HAVE to go buy a big thumper to have any chance. Carry what YOU can get quick accurate hits with and that works in your gun. I found your recent tests of the Underwood +P 124-grain FMJ to be interesting as it is a load that is fairly affordable and won't tear up the gun as quickly as some of the more extreme boutique loads. Keep up the good work!
Main takeaway I get in studying bears, is the color matters. Black bears don't like to keep coming if you shoot a .22 at it. Grizzlies don't care and keep coming, so you really need to stop them literally.
@@GunSam bear hunt in OR went wrong. Shot it with a rifle, wasn't dead. Attacked a guy, soaked up 4-5 rounds from a .45 1911, then a broadside from a .44 Mag...bear was undeterred. Required head shot from .44 to finish it. Black bears even in the lower 48 pack a lot more gameness than you're crediting them with
Sam, you need to stop LIMP WRISTING that Glo.., no just joking... You display a great deal of patience with that 10mm as I would have thrown it in the pond behind you with great fervor! Great and informative video as always.
Excellent video.
Great video
Someone buy the man a Dan Wesson Specialist in 10mm. Hahahaha
That .357mag load didn't seem like a "hot" load by any means, especially based on velocity.
I like this but enjoy the water jugs better. I appreciate all that you do though.
I really like the clear gel, but there is something about shooting through that meat pack and water jugs. Wish you would bring those back as well, which would be cheaper anyway, compared to ballistic gel. I like to see the devastation from the first water jug to the last.
I’ve been shooting the 44mag 240 jsn white box for a long time, $20 a box down to last one , it’s been my plinking ammo 🤷♂️😊👍.
I used to shoot a lot of Magtech 240 gr SP when I had a 6" model 629. Back in the day when you could buy it for $30 a box and it was "expensive"
soft points would be devastating for a dangerous animal alot of people carry those here for them
Awesome video thanks
Thank you
Remember your penetration video(7. 2x4s) where the 357 180gr hard cast was the absolute 🏆 winner?
Interesting, as always.👍 One thing you might do that would be of interest to folks in places that ban hollow points (and to any ammo shoppers in these times), would be a comparison of otherwise identical soft points and hollow points. If I want the legendary 357 125JHP and all I can get is the JSP, how much do I give up?
That’s a good question. I’d watch that test!
If I recall, places like Jersey allow Critical Defense and similar. But, in the interest of true science, TUI, Xtreme Defenders, LRN and the like would be a good comparison video.
I'll stick with the 357 and 44mag! You can keep the 10mm!! EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT VIDEO!! POW!!!
WOW! Dat 44 Mag tho!
Springfield has the gear up sale going till the end of august on striker fired pistols. I just got another xdm elite 10mm for 509 comes with 5 mags. Pretty good deal.
I like the American Eagle 158 grain JSP, I average 600 ft lbs of energy out of my 586. Definitely a good woods defense load if the buffalo bore hard cast is out of your price range 👍
If I had to use one of these for a Brown Bear attack, id personally want the 44 Magnum at minimum. It still wont drop them, but at least it gives you some sort of chance.
Please do one of these dangerous games videos and include .40. It’s performed well on your other tests and I know there are Buffalo bore for hunting. I love the idea of .40 being adequate because I can actually afford to shoot it.
I been planning to. The issue I been having is I like comparison videos, and what I deem as comparable is always out of stock like .357 Mag hard cast.
I mean .40+P+ is just 10mm
Hi gun Sam. Awsome video. Thank you. This is you best video's for me. I work in the forest of Pennsylvania for my job. And our bears are the heaviest in north America. They killed a bear behind my house 2 years ago that was estimated at 700 lbs. On state game land 073 22,000 acres of public land. . I carry at work. A ruger 357 security 6 4 ". The boundry for sgl 251 which we are painting this year is 42 miles around . I do not want to get mauled by a black bear. . Your channel is awsome. I hunt with my 357,44 mag blackhawk revolvers. I shoot hard cast lead bullets from montana bullet works in my blackhawks loaded to ruger only powder charges. They penetrate straight and the deer ive shot with them are very easy to find. Blood trail wider than long. God bless gun Sam 😊😊😊
There really isn't much of a need for anything more powerful than 357 mag or 10mm.. both will do any job with the right load.. probably 2 of my favorite calibers.. along with 9mm 40 S&W and 45 ACP.. The difference is 357 mag and 10mm are powerful enough to use for animal protection if I need them for that & they will punch through concealment and light cover
Magazine drops free after every shot, that's a new one to me.
I have a new release, release spring and mag coming. When I researched the issue it's pretty common.
I purchased a box of those federal 158 .357 Magnum rounds. In your opinion how are they to shoot 🤔
I would go with 357 also for power and cost. My favorite is a 41 mag with 210gr SP . I find it more manageable with about equal power to the .44
Sam, do you have black bears near where you live? If so, have you ever taken one with a handgun? They have reintroduced them recently, over in east Texas. They were almost shot to extinction, here in Texas, by "1900ish".
BTW, this particular test was way more interesting than I thought it was going to be. Thanks, TreeTop
The 10mm was originally developed with a 200 grain bullet at an honest 1200 - 1250 fps. A 180 grain load is essentially a "light" load.
Double tap loads 165 grain golden sabers at 1425 fps in 10mm and they are anything but light.. lol there full power and like little hand grenades when they go in soft targets.. nothing wrong with light for caliber loads as long as they get adequate penetration.. there some of the few full power options that are left
@@joeyphillips1181 - OK, those sound pretty hot. Underwood makes a similar load. I'll have to look and check, but it was something on the order of 150 grains at 1500 fps. Sounds like I need to check out a couple of loads now.
Was nice to see at distance shots. I have shot my Springfield XDM 10mm 4.5 inch barrel out to 100yards with ridiculous success. About half of the rounds landed inside a 14x14 target.
A cougar attacked a small girl here in wash state last week,extremely rare event,same with bear attacks,Dogs kill on average 50 a year in U.S and maul thousands,Bears maybe one or two a year....
I’ll stick with 357 mag. I have the exact same bullets American eagle 158 g. You can’t go wrong with a 686.
Had to revisit this video as I’m planning on taking my son camping for the first time this year. Don’t have 10mm or .44 Magnum, but will get both eventually. I’m looking for the best duel-purpose round for 2 legged and 4 legged threats. Seems like a soft point is a good option.
How come the magazine keeps falling out of your 10mm?
Love the 357
Wonder what those 10mm jsps would do in a carbine like a hi point? May pick up a couple hundred fps and expand better but still get excellent penatration!
I suppose it depends on what kind of dangerous animals we are talking about. A cougar is not that much different from a deer with claws so your soft points ought to be fine. For tough thick skinned critters I would go hard cast. With a 200 gr hardcast even the .357 should be fine.
I never considered this round to use in bear country as I have only heard you should use either Solid Copper or Hard Cast Lead. Since the penetration is too deep for 2 legged Predators I think I'll stick with solids for the best penetration on bears. Nice video though, & is food for thought! Wish you'd get a reliable 10mm to show in your videos. Unfortunately, seems like the newest 10mm's do not have the reliability of the Glock 10mm line, but at least you don't have to modify them to make them safe (unsupported barrel).
Springfield has done a good job with their 10mm, some have had some issues with the trigger but if that's a concern, you can swap triggers which most do regardless. I'd say you can't go wrong with the SA or the glock
Lol my glock 20 starts doing that I'll be trading it in on new sig or Smith 10mm lol good video!!!
Nice 👍
yep
Me personally I wouldn't count on 10mm or 357 magnum for bear protection, I'd rather go for 44 magnum, or 30-30/45-70 lever action rifles or 12ga sabot slugs.
I carry a Ruger security 6 with 4'' barrel.i use 158 hollow points in town. 180 hardcast in the woods for bears. Its very effective.
I use the same .357 mag load in my 16in lever action and it stomps hogs
They make great self defense rounds out of a rifle as well.
OH! According to all the hunting mags U need at least a .50 BMG for rabbits and a 20mm cannon for deer! All you will do with those popguns is brush some fleas and ticks off their fur!! I always carried a .357 on hikes and hunts. But... Black bears are increasing rapidly around here any more, so I go with the .44 mag now unless carrying a rifle. Then still a 3" 357. Jerry
haha, you sound like my friend and I 25 years ago as teenagers lol
@@GunSam No, it's been a LONG time since I was a teenager. Experience. The 44 mag just works, and I shoot mine enough to be proficient with it. I have carried it alone on deep woods canoe bear hunts where a long gun could be a liability. Robert Ruark (African hunter) wrote a book, 'use Enough Gun'. My corollary is to Use Enough Boolit, too. A 240 SP would be a minimum for hunting a black bear. We can discuss a charging bear elsewhere. (400+ lb black tank coming on at 40 MPH bobbing up and down plus sideways! You MAY get a second shot DA.... OK? DON'T Ever carry a SA for dangerous game!!! Jerry
Sam! Sam! Sam! You're standing too close to that steel target! OMG, you're like three feet away!
🤣🤣🤣 Im going straight to hell for that! Hope you got a laugh Sam!
I remember when people would say that stuff legitimately. Because of it I have actually changed my camera angles where most of the time at 10-25 yards you see the steel in the main camera as well as the secondary. I used to film completely the side of me not the camera aiming toward the target. It was at that point I took the chance to improve my videos, but it was also the point I realized that the collective internet population is an idiot.
@@GunSam hahaha, it’s the collective humanity, internet or no internet!
I thought I heard on the internet the original .357 magnum load was 158 grain Lead Semi Wadcutter, not Semi Jacketed Soft Point. Do we have any idea which one it is?
I cannot confirm 100% if I am correct or not, but I always read that it was the 158 gr jacketed soft point, but a bit hotter than this round. It was 158 gr SJSP at 1,500 FPS from an 8" barrel, which should give about 1,275 FPS from a 4" barrel. I am sure that 158 gr LSWC was used in the invention of the .357 Magnum, but the point of a magnum was really to be pushed fast and penetrate car bodies. I can't imagine anyone thinking it was a good idea to use a LSWC which will be smoky and soft. Again I am not 100% sure and Elmer Keith did more or less create the .38/44 which probably used LSWC, but I think the round that S&W officially called the .357 S&W Magnum was a 158 gr jacketed soft point.
but when I google it, everyone says SWC
I've shot many a 44 soft point loaded to 2400 fps in 444 marlin and they stay together pretty well and expand to over 3/4 inch
Damn those magnum rounds are watered down from ammo I bought in the early 80s
That 10 mm.funny to watch clip fall out.
Interesting video - Thank you for posting it.
For me, between the three, I will stick with my Model 69 .44mag with 2.75" barrel. I think it is pretty versatile being able to use the full magnum loads for big critters, but can use special or downloaded magnum rounds for target, smaller critters, and even defense. - I personally think the .44spl is way better for self defense than the magnum. (Easier to control the recoil, less penetration, and still a .44 or bigger hole when it is over with.)
My second choice would be the 10mm, due to the higher capacity. I still like a .357, and would be okay if that is all I had, but for me, it would be the last pick, if I was given the chance to choose.
If only Robin Hood would have had anyone of these pistols his job protecting Maid Marian from the sheriff of Nottingham would have been a hell of a lot easier!
Just black bears and cougars in my area. I likely would go with 357 Mag with a 158 gr load and keep it in my 686’s (have a 6 and 4 inch) and 1873 Winchester rifle. Good to go!
357 Magnum it's always been more powerful than a 10 mm.
They are all pretty close. I suppose the .357 Mag in a rifle will shot it to be the more powerful cartridge, but in typical handguns I would say most ammo averages about even for power, with the 10mm in HP ammo being a tad more powerful with the exception that Buffalo Bore .357 Mag in handguns is about even with Buffalo Bore 10mm.
Paul Harrell check out his TH-cam 357 Magnum is definitely more then 10 mm. If you use a chronograph on it and do the foot pounds the math there's its own Magnum is 400 foot-pounds of energy more than and that way more power
You're way wrong 357 Magnum is more powerful than 10mm way more powerful like 3 or 400 feet pound
Plan for a grizzly bear, and if a bad guy comes along, well, that's okay too.
Good video. I do think you partially proved a point i make a lot to guys that insist on 44 mag. When using 44mag, there is so much recoil, and everyone knows it, i think everyone tends to miss a lot more because you intrinsically flinch from/for the recoil. I personally think 357 with the right loads is a better choice for most people. If you miss your shots, it makes no difference how hard those rounds hit the dirt. You gotta hit the threat or it doesnt matter.
I get your point , that is about as light a 44 as any person would carry . Most that shoot full power 44 in bear woods have a stronger , longer barrel & more weight . When you get to a 5.5" Redhawk & longer , they are not too bad to shoot . A Real hunting 44 is sweet ! = 8" dan Wesson , 8" Colt , 8 3/8" S&W , 7.5" Ruger Redhawk / Super Redhawk .
@@danoneill2846 you forgot to mention taurus ragin bull. Even full power 44mag at 1400fps feels like 44special out of that revolver
Great point I don't own a 44 mag but I do have 2 357's and 2 10mm's and I feel like I'm covered with them for anything I might ever need them for.. I don't care if it's a cougar or brown bear with the right ammo and shot placement they should do fine.. I still would like to get a S&W 629 one day though
You should do the Underwood extreme penetrators in all of these
I'm so glad you used rounds with the same sectional densities. My only gripe with the .357 are the decibels. Higher frequency. Just ear splitting compared to the 10mm and even the mid level 44's.
Are you saying 357 sounds louder than 44mag? Not even near. I could shoot a cylinder of 357mag 158grainers without ear protection. But i couldn't do that with 44 mag 240gr at 1350fps
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Barrel length makes a difference. Does your .44 have a longer barrel?
Can you say OH Dear, Dead Deer! Lol
Do you think that 357 load would work well in an M&P340? I know it will lose a bit of steam out of a 1 7/8th inch barrel.
When those bullets tumble, they sure do rip into that clear ballistics.
You would get a ton of recoil, I know that much. You might be at 400 FPE too. If it were me and I had choices, I'd get an Underwood or BB 125 .38+p. 300-350 FPE but also relatively half the recoil.
@@GunSam I've fired the Underwood 128 (125gr bonded 38Spl+P) load and it is manageable. That is to say, it doesn't have the sting of the BB 19H which is their 357 Magnum "lower recoil" Tac-XB 125gr load. That BB load is only a shade less abusive than the 125gr SJHP HTP 357 Magnum load. Under no stress, I'm good for six rounds of the 19H. I've run two cylinders of the HTP and that resulted in a blister. I'm also OK with the 135gr Speer Gold Dot 38 Spl+P loading (SKU 53921). It feels almost exactly the same as the Underwood 128.
All in all, I'm willing to give up a bit of energy for having such a comfortable carry gun that I trust. My groups are still a bit larger than I'd like at 12 yards. But they're all in the silhouette portion of a 12x18" shoot-n-see target.
I have an M&P 340 and the full house .357 is manageable with the Hogue Tamer grip. It is still a ton of recoil but not as painful. Follow up shots are slow.
@@randallminor4866 I'm not using the Hogue Tamer grip. But I have shot reasonable 125gr magnum loads. I can dump a cylinder reasonably quickly. It's not something I would want to do on a regular basis. Light loads followed by a cylinder of magnums should be good practice.
I love my M&P340. I think it is probably the best J-Frame S&W makes. Some might argue for the 340PD, but they are ignoring the susceptibility of flame cutting on the cylinder for high power loads with light bullets. There are also the all steel J-Frames. But they are too heavy in the pocket for me. I'm into deep concealment. Pocket carry works well for that.
Be honest with you I won't ever tell you to quit limp resting the 10mm better yet just go up to!! A 23 pound recoil spring in a stainless steel guide rod for your lightweight Glock!! I put a 20 lb recoil spring on my 40 and it shoots like a accurate sweet dream on follow up shoots !! Single-handedlee !! Never have to ever use two hands again after The 20-lb flat recoil spring!! Guaranteed three more pounds on the 10mm will be absolutely amazing flawlessness !! No joke just true Honestly accuracy!! 20 lb recoil spring in my 40.Cal S&W never ever has a nose dive again ever ever... 💯🔔🔥🙌👍👍👍🙆🙅💪
I have shot all 3 rounds, but I like 10mm the best. The 44mag Winchester hunting round will knock out anything you shoot it with , but if you don’t train and practice a lot , you going have pray with that follow up shot. But that what’s expect from 44mag. The 10mm to me is more controllable the 357 mag. But they feel about the same. But I’m a 10mm fan so I might be biased towards the 10mm and the ammo. 44mag is the king overall. If you get the shot off and on target 44mag will drop something.
Exactly soft points are some of the best hunting ammo I've used...God bless
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I'll take a G20 or XDM 10mm all day long, 17 rds of full power 10s beats 6 rds of 357s in the woods. However I'd feel safe with any of them.
I think I was getting around 1,400 fps out of a 8" Dan Wesson & I have seen testing in a Ruger 18.5" bolt rifle from 1,675 to 1,750 FPS , with that 44 ammo . I would call it full power Vs most store bought . It's likely loaded with Win 296 / H110 powder >> it has a very small window & is near top Vel in most data I have seen . Best used in long barrels > slow powder .
Just all three are big game stoppers, but 44mag outshined all others, I am a 357mag guy
I have 10mm in G20 and Dan Wesson 1911. 1911 has a bit more velocity, far better accuracy, but half the capacity. but the G20 is far lighter to carry on a backpack archery elk hunt.
We pretty much agree. With four legged evil doers I would favor penetration (hard cast or FMJ), since you can't predict their movements, and they are very agile. The 10mm in a double stack is a great great choice, but lacks perhaps a little in power for the largest of the nasty clawed things we meet in the northern and tropical outdoors. Overall I think the .357 is the most all round choice, since bullet weights are sufficient for decent penetration. And it is much more controllable than a .44magnum. However everyone already knows the .44mag is superior for Grizzly and Polar bears. But I would not hesitate to recommend .357 even for that if the person is not one that will practice a lot.
Missed the 41M!
Looking kida bearily but for bear I like the most versitile - 460 S & W MAG .