I always loved the idea of Joker just becoming a normal dude without Batman in his life but then he instantly turns back into Joker the moment something Batman like reappers.
Theirs a few comics like this. One happens in a theoretical future after Batman retires. Once Batman gets too old to be Batman Joker stops leaving the asylum and takes his therapy seriously. Joker becomes a national icon for mental health and therapy. Then one day he sees on the News Batman is back after beating a gang of mutants. For the first time in years a smile reaches across his face then during a talk show he gasses the entire studio and gathers a Freak Show of minions. They have one last epic fight together in an amusement park Tunnel of Love. Batman stabs his eye out with a Batarang, Joker laughs because Batman lost his edge and slipped on his own morals then breaks his own neck knowing he won the age old fight for Batman’s Code.
the scene when Joker figures out it's Jason, the way he slowly realized with the flashbacks, the slow turn, the smile, the score playing in the background, the way he says "Boy Wonder"... it's such a perfect scene.
There was so ething quite distrubing seeing Joker doing his joker face without the make up. You don’t see the arch-nemesis of batman, just a guy that is completly insane.
genuinely was so disturbing to me, felt like he was staring through the screen and looking at ME rather than looking at Jason, which is why it's such a good scene
And not just Robin, the Robin, Jason Todd. Guaranteed Joker knew if ANY Robin would come after him when Batman was gone it would be him. Because like Batman, he was the only Robin he had a “connection” with.
@@btgkg9639Well, to be fair, there are only two Robins in this universe, since Batman died saving Jason from the bomb, he was never able to meet Tim, and while Damien might exist, Batman wouldn't have met him.
The vVA direction was top notch, Vincent Martella said it with almost the exact same rhythm and pacing as the Joker back in the warehouse, so in a way that the Joker would not possibly miss who he was speaking to. It was just a direct to video interactive movie, but given the little details, great care was put into the making of it.
As much as I adore Mark Hamill and he is the definitive Joker, I have to give props to John DiMaggio because his rendition of the iconic "Two guys in a lunatic Asylum" speech I felt was more powerful than Mark Hamill's in The Killing Joke movie.
Did the flashbacks help it be more memorable? The music too? In The Killing Joke movie, there are no flashbacks or music score like this scene. They were trying to copy the book it's from exactly so maybe that is why.
@@matthewmcghee2004 The music did help but that wasn't really the main reason. The way John said it was more of a slow build and felt more sinister whereas in the Killing Joke movie it felt a little too casual and fast-paced.
Honestly John Dimaggio is a solid replacement for Hamill. He still makes Joker feel "Whimsy" but the extra deepness let's you know he's still a serious threat.
Not to knock on Hamill because in my opinion Hamill is definitive Joker however DiMaggio portrays The Joker how the Joker should be if that makes sense. The Joker Is the kind of villain that would give a one-act show to an entire audience of people on the verge of dying poisoned with Joker toxin so they have no choice but to laugh at him with a audio triggered explosive primed to the support beams. Why? because it's funny.
There’s actually a point to why he starts laughing, and it’s not the usual “He’s crazy”. With Batman gone, he stopped really caring. Batman was his reason for being, after all. But Boy Wonder? Not only alive and hardened, but willing to cross the one line the big guy never would? The one he’d been trying to make Batman cross forever? Truly ecstatic for the first time in a while. It proved his point that all it takes is one bad day.
@@GigalassII The kicked dog analogy comes to mind. "See, I PROVED all dogs are vicious...after beating one for half a year." If anything, Jason took back his life by getting rid of his tormentor.
His point was already disproven. And as another user mentioned, Jason had a LOT more than one bad day. That and killing joker isn't really proof. Basically any reasonably person with confidence in their ability to do so would probably have done that.
Yeah that’s insane to say DiMaggio ahead of Troy Baker Dude might as well be the best, only actor to play Joker and Batman at the same time in the same movie.
I really like Jason in this scene. No monologuing, no hesitation, he doesn't try to reenact the night he died with Joker in his place, there's no cruelty or sadism. He just ends it, no more Joker. I'm not sure if calm or disciplined is the right word for him here, but this definitely seems like a version of Jason Todd that's made it out the other end of his trauma with his head on pretty straight. It's a kinda funny thing to say about a dude who just killed a guy with a butter knife, but honestly I'd argue that calling in an orbital strike on Joker's position with a laser pointer from a mile away should be a clear case of self defense.
Exactly. The Joker would have continued his endless spree of violence and possibly taken things to another level if Jason hadn’t stopped him right then and there.
I honestly think this one short scene might just be my favorite take on "Joker going sane." He has no reason to lie to Jason, given he didn't recognize the boy, so presumably he did indeed get a therapist, and is trying to "recover" from being the Joker. His grimace of "eventually" even seems to imply that he's not satisfied with the results; what he has is so deep, it's hard to get rid of. Madness isn't easy to shake. And we can most certainly see for ourselves that this is the same Joker we know, the way he still calls Batman "Bats," how he becomes more animated the more he tells his joke, and most fascinating to me, how he was willing to talk with a total stranger about Batman just because the news brought him up, as if to prove he knows Bats best, and showing he can't seem to get it out of his head no matter what he does. It's even more interesting that it doesn't seem like just *anything* Batman adjacent is enough to set him off. He doesn't go parading around in the ol' ringmaster suit when he sees a new Batman. It was Jason specifically that re-aroused his mania. Perhaps he saw Jason's return as the ultimate punchline to the last "joke" he ever told the """real""" Batman. Jason simply couldn't hold himself back from doing that. And how could he? Jason's unresolved spite must've been boiling, and he couldn't contain it upon finding out the cause of his misery was right beside him. After all, this movie wasn't a case study of Joker... it was a case study of Jason.
It's fascinating, as it does shine a light on the Joker's relationship with himself. His madness and his persona of the joker doesn't seem to just be simply who he is. Rather, it seems like he's almost addicted to the persona- trying to give it up like someone gives up alcohol, and dancing with the idea even though he's trying to quit. It puts a new lens on the Joker- the persona of the Joker isn't something that always existed, or was going to happen, it was a persona the person (Jack Napier in most interpretations) willingly adopted, and simply let consume them, like an addiction does. Jason's presence, and the realization that he was face to face with "Boy Wonder" caused him to relapse- hard. And so putting him down seemed to be the only option the second that smile crept across his face.
@@Laerei the theme with joker is that it isn't specifically joker, he just represents that there is going to be an equal reaction to any action. if there is a "batman", there will always be a "joker". its part of what makes the batman story interesting, one of batman's qualities is that he wont give up, no matter how difficult it is, and he will help others to save them from crime(either from being a victim or the perpetrator). joker will easily give up but it isnt therapy, jail, or physical punishments that will stop him, its "batman" quitting. with no batman, joker has no reason to act out. so long as there is a "batman" in gotham, there will always be a "joker" there. the only cure for joker is for batman to go away but batman wont ever go away as long as joker is out there. its the ultimate catch-22 in the batman story.
@@DomR1997 Rating: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Batman: “Funniest thing I’ve ever heard” Rating: ⭐️⭐️⭐️ Alfred: “I don’t see the appeal, but Master Bruce seems to be a fan” Rating: ⭐️⭐️⭐️ Oracle: “Cool joke, hate the comedian himself though, but seperate art from artist right?” Rating: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Nightwing: “I get the punchline, dunno why Batman likes it so much though” Rating: ⭐️ Red Hood: “The joke isn’t even that good” Rating: ⭐️ Damian: “How is the guy supposed to walk across the light!? Lame.”
I love this scene so much You have Mr j trying to go for a normal life then when he sees Robin his eyes widen and that scary smiles creeps across his face. Such a small scene but delivers so much tension and calm at the same time.
@@SorchaSublime you have to look more at than just the purely realism way. joker as a character represent the opposite of batman in every way and his theme is more that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. if it isnt joker, itll be a new villian who shows up. as long as there is a batman or batman esque hero, there will be a villian who acts out solely to get the hero's attention. batman is dark, serious, well trained, his focus is on restraint and helping others no matter how difficult it may be. joker's thing is that he is bright and colorful, silly, zero training but just on the fly chaos, and hurting others just because it is easy. joker is the worst villain gotham has as he does it just for fun but if batman disappears, so does the joker. joker just wants to corrupt the hero figure, with no hero figure he has nothing to do. if batman quits, then crime goes up but the worst of the worst also disappears with him.
“Without Batman, crime has no punchline.” This Joker is like Mark Hamill. After the death of Kevin Conroy (Batman), he changed and no longer voices him. I respect his choice, he is a true friend.
I've never seen any batman movies or anything, but this scene is amazing. The swelling music, the realization, the flashbacks that play all while Joker's voice speaks over the scene all plays together perfectly, not to mention how great the visuals and art style is.
Joker is laughing cause his death is the ultimate punchline. He tried to start over his life without Batman and in the end the bat still came for him. All you can do is laugh. Horrifying and amazing
I think this was Jason giving him a chance. Like he was telling him "I know who you are, this is your one chance to show remorse, to prove that you're actually rehabilitated". He smiled. Jason didn't kill him out of revenge, he prevented a threat from walking free.
Yeah, he simply did what had to be done. There was no relief or "elation at vengeance being taken", no he just looked down coldly at a mad dog he had to put down.
I hate how DC tried to reform Jason Todd by taking away his guns and giving him crowbars to use instead. They also messed up his classic biker look when they updated his costume.
@@anti-noobcrew2284100% agreed. Jason works best when he is a straight up villain as Red Hood. DC has NO idea what to do with Jason Todd and if you think they do just read his old comics (like pre reboots) and compare them to his newer ones. His new comics are soooo bad it’s almost hilarious if it wasn’t so sad.
I think he got a chance to do his voice again and wanted to make a point, since mark hamill is basically done with the role after Kevin Conroy passed, I’d love this guy as an alternative
Such a fantastic scene, Joe Dimaggio kills it as Joker - easily top 5 Joker performances, the callback to The Killing Joke is perfect, and Jason returning Joker's words back to him is even better. The music beginning slow, like the track behind two old friends catching up, and slowly getting more intense as Jason pieces it together is amazing. Joker is a shadow without Batman, half a man, he doesn't try against Nightwing because he isn't as tortured as Batman, his bad day was resolved, whilst Bruce's and Jason's aren't. Joker realises this and smiles again, knowing there's someone left to torment, but Jason isn't batman, and does what needs to be done. Absolute masterclass of a scene, never really liked the ending where Jason ends up in jail killing criminals, he wasn't as angsty, but whatever it's all fanservice and what ifs.
1:59 “Nehh” Such inspiring words. After hearing these words, my life completely changed. My smoking habits stopped, and my wife came back with a little Timmy, little biggie and little cheese. I won the lottery after that and my whole family came to celebrate turkey and we all toasted it to the waitress that said Nehh. If it wasn’t for her and her inspiring words, I would be homeless. I thank you so much ❤
the piece at 1:00 is mozart A major piano concerto, movement 2: Adagio give the whole piece a listen, if you're a piano player give it a try. it's more accessible than you'd expect
Really liked that the instead the clown makeup, the makeup was of a regular person, meaning he was pretending to be normal and the insanity was his real persona all along.
Him realizing it’s Jason then smiling saying “boy wonder” gotta be one of the best takes of Joker for me💯. It really feels like that specific scene only works for that voice because I don’t think it would of been the same if it was Mark
Here's a Dark Knight Returns reference for ya. For laughs! Also, let's just say that's the diner from Young Justice because that diner is a multiversal constant.
One thing that is scary to me is that Joker’s smile progressively gets wider and wider as he tells the joke from deadpan to extremely wide grin when he found out who he was talking to.
Plot twist. The two inmates are batman and joker and Joker tells the joke in order to make batman remember and snap, and they are both in a shared psychosis imagining themselves as super hero and villain. The last page of the killing joke being the moment he does snap and strangles Joker before killing himself.
Jason HAD to kill Joker, regardless of how sane he had become or how much he had reformed, but not because of what he had done in the past, no, but what Joker was about to do. Imagine you’re Joker. The man you had been playing games with and getting a good laugh out of for the better part of a decade has now died, and there’s no longer any fun to it all. You see no point in continuing the game and put your hat up, go sane. You spend your days reminiscing about the good old days, longing for how things used to be, and cynical of the way they are now. Only, one of those days, someone humors you, and eventually you find that that someone is the former protege of the man who died. And you know him too. You’ve hurt him before. And you know that unlike the man who’s taken the formerly dead’s place, this one isn’t as nice or idealistic. He’s someone to toy with. Someone who can truly replace that dead man’s place in your heart. So what else could Joker do but smile? For he found someone new to play with. Something to bring back the joy and fun in his life. Unfortunately for Joker, he didn’t account for how much hate Jason had for him. But even still, he can’t help but laugh. Because though the game was short lived, he won.
Fun fact : Hamill has said to Dimaggio that he was his favorite Joker voice actor when he wasn’t doing the job. Dimaggio said it in a Comiccon conference at Montreal Quebec a while ago… Good times… I’ve met him that day, it was a bit prior the actors guild strike! He seems like a very good guy for real…
I can't stop watching this clip. It's not because I'm still all-up-on Batman [comics] from 'my' youth, but because this is a perfect scene in an animated movie, period. It's perfect. Perfectly blocked and acted, it's perfect for what it's conveying. The voice acting of the Joker is just enough of the beloved Mark Hamill when it needs to be, but when it doesn't, it's eerie. It's eerie because of the scene matches the voice, or the voice matches the scene, whatever, I can't stop watching this exchange of beloved characters.
I like that Jason gets his revenge. What everyone seems to forget is that the Joker killed him, and only by random multiversal happenstance did Jason return to life. It's only fair to take the life of the person who ended his life.
A truly magnificent and greatly under appreciated preformance by John. His dark timber gives a delightfully stylish cadence that is different from Mark's (the gold standard), yet all the while evoking the musical qualities that makes for a captivating Joker. Bravo!
"Tell the big man I said 'hello' " is the last thing Joker told Robin right before he locked up the warehouse with the bomb, for those who didn't realize why he knew Jason was Robin. 😘😘
I love the crescendo of the scene. It starts normally just like a normal bar chat, but the more Joker talks, the more his voice cracks and can be heard as the old Joker's, the more Jason realizes who he has in front of him. And again, the more Joker rises his voice the more Jason seems to remember, until the climax, where joker screams "what do you think I am, crazy!", and Jason understands everything... Then a small "stop" resembling the "peace before the storm", that Phrases, full of symbolism, that makes the joker remember too, and then Jason stabs Joker in the eye. Such an incredibly beautiful scene.
John Dimaggio easily has the best monolog voice for Joker. Mark Hamil has the best laugh of a younger joker in his prime, but Dimaggio nails this old joker who's tired but still has that little spark of maniacal energy left
Two things I only just now noticed: 1. John DiMaggio's voice remains fairly flat throughout this conversation until he tells the story, then he slowly progresses into the Joker as the joke goes on. 2. Maybe not a direct reference but Batman stabbed that same eye in The Dark Knight Returns.
What people don’t know is that the monologue isn’t what exposed him, it’s when he says “bats” at the start and Joker is the only one who calls Batman bats
There really needs to be more stories about heroic doppelgängers of villains fighting an evil justice league. Especially the Joker. He’d be an awesome good guy
I do like that the joker says the killing joke till this day it’s still one of my favourite Batman stories Also, it would be cooler if it was Mark Hamill
I really do love the interactive format of this movie. I don't think it'd work for most comic adaptations or movies in general, but imagine a What If:Star Wars where you can choose the alternative choices. Like Luke getting the Original ROTJ ending where he becomes Vader. It'd be sick
It may sound dark but i honestly think if Jason didnt assault the cops who suddenly burst in after this scene he would have gotten away with it, he just needed to say: that is the joker, he was doing his crazy smile and i saw him reaching for a knife! If he was taken to court i really dont see any person in their right mind finding him guilty, this is a homicidal maniac guilty of every form of sadism in the book who has murdered and mutilated thousands if not tens of thousands of people and behind tons of urban terrorist attacks.
I always loved the idea of Joker just becoming a normal dude without Batman in his life but then he instantly turns back into Joker the moment something Batman like reappers.
There a whole comic about that. Look up Batman: Going Sane
@@MZAtheFriend is that part of the white series or is that the comic, where the Joker goes to work for the DMV?
@@overlord1ful it's a standalone comic
Theirs a few comics like this. One happens in a theoretical future after Batman retires. Once Batman gets too old to be Batman Joker stops leaving the asylum and takes his therapy seriously. Joker becomes a national icon for mental health and therapy. Then one day he sees on the News Batman is back after beating a gang of mutants. For the first time in years a smile reaches across his face then during a talk show he gasses the entire studio and gathers a Freak Show of minions. They have one last epic fight together in an amusement park Tunnel of Love. Batman stabs his eye out with a Batarang, Joker laughs because Batman lost his edge and slipped on his own morals then breaks his own neck knowing he won the age old fight for Batman’s Code.
@@Broomer52 the movie "The Dark Knight Returns" shows that comic
the scene when Joker figures out it's Jason, the way he slowly realized with the flashbacks, the slow turn, the smile, the score playing in the background, the way he says "Boy Wonder"... it's such a perfect scene.
There was so ething quite distrubing seeing Joker doing his joker face without the make up. You don’t see the arch-nemesis of batman, just a guy that is completly insane.
Ironically his "real" face is a makeup here
@@electrichat Like to Bruce it's a mask
Joker: I'ma disguise myself and
Sit by jason.
Also joker:surpise jason it's me
Your pal joker!!!🤣
Jason:da fu...?
genuinely was so disturbing to me, felt like he was staring through the screen and looking at ME rather than looking at Jason, which is why it's such a good scene
I found it interesting that Joker was legitimately happy to see him once he realized it was a Robin. Like running into an old friend
And not just Robin, the Robin, Jason Todd. Guaranteed Joker knew if ANY Robin would come after him when Batman was gone it would be him. Because like Batman, he was the only Robin he had a “connection” with.
It was his last mistake
@@btgkg9639Well, to be fair, there are only two Robins in this universe, since Batman died saving Jason from the bomb, he was never able to meet Tim, and while Damien might exist, Batman wouldn't have met him.
@@romanfischer7307Damien does make a “cameo” in one of the endings of this movie. He’s still a baby and Jason kidnaps him to raise Damien himself.
he just wanted his death to have meaning. he never cared about wining or losing as long as he went out with a bang
“Without Batman, crime has no punchline.”
And without Joker, Gotham's problems more than likely would decrease by what? 40%?
É...se vc desconsiderar o resto da galeria inteira do batman e a penca de bandidos em gotham...talvez.@@mviouscosplay
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Without Batman, then Joker lose.
@@mviouscosplay Maybe 60%
I love this voice for Joker, it’s dark, deep, yet can be very humorous in a twisted way.
John Dimaggio is the one who played his voice.
@@albertPI007 probably the most underrated VA of al time.
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John DiMaggio voiced Jake in Adventure Time which was my favorite.
Jason’s face of realization that it’s Joker is just an amazing buildup.
He knew he was the joker bc he tracked him down for a while so is no surprise he came across him
Cringe
@@Marvelfanatic3658 Username checks out
He tracked Him to the diner
" Well next time I see em... I'll tell the big man you said, Hello."
Love this line delivery.
The vVA direction was top notch, Vincent Martella said it with almost the exact same rhythm and pacing as the Joker back in the warehouse, so in a way that the Joker would not possibly miss who he was speaking to. It was just a direct to video interactive movie, but given the little details, great care was put into the making of it.
"Boy... Wonder..." :D
@@jubileu8153 ...... 😐👋🏿 🔪
@@kleinkaufman8940Hey Ferb! I know what we’re gonna do today!
2:22 joker smiling with a normal face is somehow even creepier
yeah like imagine sitting down next to this guy at a diner
My thoughts exactly.
Exactly!
Checkout Batman 89.
The smiles were creepy.
The joker fish were creepy.
As much as I adore Mark Hamill and he is the definitive Joker, I have to give props to John DiMaggio because his rendition of the iconic "Two guys in a lunatic Asylum" speech I felt was more powerful than Mark Hamill's in The Killing Joke movie.
His Joker is so underrated
Did the flashbacks help it be more memorable? The music too? In The Killing Joke movie, there are no flashbacks or music score like this scene. They were trying to copy the book it's from exactly so maybe that is why.
@@matthewmcghee2004 The music did help but that wasn't really the main reason. The way John said it was more of a slow build and felt more sinister whereas in the Killing Joke movie it felt a little too casual and fast-paced.
Joker blowing his cover be like:
I'm a big fan of Kevin Richard's joker.
Honestly John Dimaggio is a solid replacement for Hamill. He still makes Joker feel "Whimsy" but the extra deepness let's you know he's still a serious threat.
Not to knock on Hamill because in my opinion Hamill is definitive Joker however DiMaggio portrays The Joker how the Joker should be if that makes sense.
The Joker Is the kind of villain that would give a one-act show to an entire audience of people on the verge of dying poisoned with Joker toxin so they have no choice but to laugh at him with a audio triggered explosive primed to the support beams. Why? because it's funny.
Bruce greenwood and John Dimaggio are the perfect successors to Kevin and mark as Batman and joker. I also really like jenson ackles as Batman.
He's not replacement. He's Hamill's legacy
There’s actually a point to why he starts laughing, and it’s not the usual “He’s crazy”.
With Batman gone, he stopped really caring. Batman was his reason for being, after all.
But Boy Wonder? Not only alive and hardened, but willing to cross the one line the big guy never would? The one he’d been trying to make Batman cross forever? Truly ecstatic for the first time in a while.
It proved his point that all it takes is one bad day.
But all it takes to stop crime is a willingness to fight back, which is what Red Hood will inspire others to do. He succeeds where Batman failed.
Except it took 6 bad months and a botched resurrection to break Jason, not just one bad day
@@GigalassII The kicked dog analogy comes to mind.
"See, I PROVED all dogs are vicious...after beating one for half a year."
If anything, Jason took back his life by getting rid of his tormentor.
Nah. Jason did everyone a favor by killing him before he returned to being the joker.
His point was already disproven. And as another user mentioned, Jason had a LOT more than one bad day.
That and killing joker isn't really proof. Basically any reasonably person with confidence in their ability to do so would probably have done that.
John DiMaggio and Mark Hamill are the BEST Joker voices
*MARK HAMILL THE* 🐐
Everyone else a far second.
@@theonewhoisbetterthanyou3570 overated because of BTAS
You forgot about Troy Baker
Yeah that’s insane to say DiMaggio ahead of Troy Baker
Dude might as well be the best, only actor to play Joker and Batman at the same time in the same movie.
What about Kevin micheal richardson
I really like Jason in this scene. No monologuing, no hesitation, he doesn't try to reenact the night he died with Joker in his place, there's no cruelty or sadism. He just ends it, no more Joker.
I'm not sure if calm or disciplined is the right word for him here, but this definitely seems like a version of Jason Todd that's made it out the other end of his trauma with his head on pretty straight. It's a kinda funny thing to say about a dude who just killed a guy with a butter knife, but honestly I'd argue that calling in an orbital strike on Joker's position with a laser pointer from a mile away should be a clear case of self defense.
Exactly. The Joker would have continued his endless spree of violence and possibly taken things to another level if Jason hadn’t stopped him right then and there.
I honestly think this one short scene might just be my favorite take on "Joker going sane."
He has no reason to lie to Jason, given he didn't recognize the boy, so presumably he did indeed get a therapist, and is trying to "recover" from being the Joker. His grimace of "eventually" even seems to imply that he's not satisfied with the results; what he has is so deep, it's hard to get rid of. Madness isn't easy to shake. And we can most certainly see for ourselves that this is the same Joker we know, the way he still calls Batman "Bats," how he becomes more animated the more he tells his joke, and most fascinating to me, how he was willing to talk with a total stranger about Batman just because the news brought him up, as if to prove he knows Bats best, and showing he can't seem to get it out of his head no matter what he does.
It's even more interesting that it doesn't seem like just *anything* Batman adjacent is enough to set him off. He doesn't go parading around in the ol' ringmaster suit when he sees a new Batman. It was Jason specifically that re-aroused his mania. Perhaps he saw Jason's return as the ultimate punchline to the last "joke" he ever told the """real""" Batman.
Jason simply couldn't hold himself back from doing that. And how could he? Jason's unresolved spite must've been boiling, and he couldn't contain it upon finding out the cause of his misery was right beside him. After all, this movie wasn't a case study of Joker... it was a case study of Jason.
It's fascinating, as it does shine a light on the Joker's relationship with himself. His madness and his persona of the joker doesn't seem to just be simply who he is. Rather, it seems like he's almost addicted to the persona- trying to give it up like someone gives up alcohol, and dancing with the idea even though he's trying to quit. It puts a new lens on the Joker- the persona of the Joker isn't something that always existed, or was going to happen, it was a persona the person (Jack Napier in most interpretations) willingly adopted, and simply let consume them, like an addiction does. Jason's presence, and the realization that he was face to face with "Boy Wonder" caused him to relapse- hard. And so putting him down seemed to be the only option the second that smile crept across his face.
Jason probably spared Gotham yet another Joker crime spree.
@@Laerei the theme with joker is that it isn't specifically joker, he just represents that there is going to be an equal reaction to any action. if there is a "batman", there will always be a "joker". its part of what makes the batman story interesting, one of batman's qualities is that he wont give up, no matter how difficult it is, and he will help others to save them from crime(either from being a victim or the perpetrator). joker will easily give up but it isnt therapy, jail, or physical punishments that will stop him, its "batman" quitting. with no batman, joker has no reason to act out. so long as there is a "batman" in gotham, there will always be a "joker" there. the only cure for joker is for batman to go away but batman wont ever go away as long as joker is out there. its the ultimate catch-22 in the batman story.
Like how Batman wrote word for word down of this joke
It’s Joker’s understanding of his and Batman’s relationship; Bruce would probably pour over that thing nonstop once he heard it.
Do you think he gave it a rating at the end?
@@DomR1997
Rating: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Batman: “Funniest thing I’ve ever heard”
Rating: ⭐️⭐️⭐️
Alfred: “I don’t see the appeal, but Master Bruce seems to be a fan”
Rating: ⭐️⭐️⭐️
Oracle: “Cool joke, hate the comedian himself though, but seperate art from artist right?”
Rating: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Nightwing: “I get the punchline, dunno why Batman likes it so much though”
Rating: ⭐️
Red Hood: “The joke isn’t even that good”
Rating: ⭐️
Damian: “How is the guy supposed to walk across the light!? Lame.”
@@gulpin768 Red Hood: Why TF does Bruce love a joke from the man who basically killed me?
2:19 That's literally the *CREEPIEST* Joker smile ever. Probably because it's coming from a "Normal" Joker.
I love this scene so much
You have Mr j trying to go for a normal life then when he sees Robin his eyes widen and that scary smiles creeps across his face.
Such a small scene but delivers so much tension and calm at the same time.
Is this a new movie? I don’t remember seeing this. ?
@@salgonzalez908 It's part of an interactive movie from 2020, it has multiple endings.
Cringe
"Evil can't be cured, only Kill" Man I LOVE this Line
Stupid sentiment, badass for the character.
Except it clearly was being cured. Joker here is comparable to an addict relapsing.
@@SorchaSublime you have to look more at than just the purely realism way. joker as a character represent the opposite of batman in every way and his theme is more that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. if it isnt joker, itll be a new villian who shows up. as long as there is a batman or batman esque hero, there will be a villian who acts out solely to get the hero's attention. batman is dark, serious, well trained, his focus is on restraint and helping others no matter how difficult it may be. joker's thing is that he is bright and colorful, silly, zero training but just on the fly chaos, and hurting others just because it is easy. joker is the worst villain gotham has as he does it just for fun but if batman disappears, so does the joker. joker just wants to corrupt the hero figure, with no hero figure he has nothing to do. if batman quits, then crime goes up but the worst of the worst also disappears with him.
@@SorchaSublime nah
“Without Batman, crime has no punchline.”
This Joker is like Mark Hamill. After the death of Kevin Conroy (Batman), he changed and no longer voices him. I respect his choice, he is a true friend.
Now if only they would let Jason do this to him in the comics, both me and Gotham could finally be at peace!
And they would lose a bunch of sales without Joker, never gonna happen.
Well, he KIND of did.
@@manuelalbertoromero9528 We're talking about the Three Jokers arc right ?
@@loglog7It’s a multiverse for a reason
@@abovearth6740 yes
I've never seen any batman movies or anything, but this scene is amazing. The swelling music, the realization, the flashbacks that play all while Joker's voice speaks over the scene all plays together perfectly, not to mention how great the visuals and art style is.
You really should most of them are great
Joker is laughing cause his death is the ultimate punchline. He tried to start over his life without Batman and in the end the bat still came for him. All you can do is laugh. Horrifying and amazing
I swear the face changing on "boy wonder" just runs chills down my spine no matter now many times I see it
I think this was Jason giving him a chance. Like he was telling him "I know who you are, this is your one chance to show remorse, to prove that you're actually rehabilitated".
He smiled.
Jason didn't kill him out of revenge, he prevented a threat from walking free.
Yeah, he simply did what had to be done. There was no relief or "elation at vengeance being taken", no he just looked down coldly at a mad dog he had to put down.
I hate how DC tried to reform Jason Todd by taking away his guns and giving him crowbars to use instead. They also messed up his classic biker look when they updated his costume.
They ruined Red Hood. Red Hood should have always stayed a villian, or just stayed dead at the end of the Red Hood arc.
@@anti-noobcrew2284ehh...
@@anti-noobcrew2284100% agreed. Jason works best when he is a straight up villain as Red Hood. DC has NO idea what to do with Jason Todd and if you think they do just read his old comics (like pre reboots) and compare them to his newer ones. His new comics are soooo bad it’s almost hilarious if it wasn’t so sad.
Yeah I don’t think he would even have an idea to join back up with the bat family
@@anti-noobcrew2284i disagree with the villain part. Dude was always an anti-hero
I think he got a chance to do his voice again and wanted to make a point, since mark hamill is basically done with the role after Kevin Conroy passed, I’d love this guy as an alternative
John DiMaggio, he's very prolific as a VA so I don't know how available he'd be for further productions
At least Joker had his last laugh 2:29
It only ever mattered to him. It went nowhere.
Such a fantastic scene, Joe Dimaggio kills it as Joker - easily top 5 Joker performances, the callback to The Killing Joke is perfect, and Jason returning Joker's words back to him is even better. The music beginning slow, like the track behind two old friends catching up, and slowly getting more intense as Jason pieces it together is amazing.
Joker is a shadow without Batman, half a man, he doesn't try against Nightwing because he isn't as tortured as Batman, his bad day was resolved, whilst Bruce's and Jason's aren't. Joker realises this and smiles again, knowing there's someone left to torment, but Jason isn't batman, and does what needs to be done. Absolute masterclass of a scene, never really liked the ending where Jason ends up in jail killing criminals, he wasn't as angsty, but whatever it's all fanservice and what ifs.
1:59 “Nehh” Such inspiring words. After hearing these words, my life completely changed. My smoking habits stopped, and my wife came back with a little Timmy, little biggie and little cheese. I won the lottery after that and my whole family came to celebrate turkey and we all toasted it to the waitress that said Nehh. If it wasn’t for her and her inspiring words, I would be homeless. I thank you so much ❤
the piece at 1:00 is mozart A major piano concerto, movement 2: Adagio
give the whole piece a listen, if you're a piano player give it a try. it's more accessible than you'd expect
THANK YOU ive been looking for this piece for like a whole week. I'm totally gonna learn this piece now
Concerto No. 14!
@@CopShowGuy It's 23, actually
@@hyperactiveofficial8096 Ack! My bad. Even worse because I've performed #23.
#14 just has my favorite second movement.
I love that as Joker tells the rooftop story the more he sounds like his old self. It's great vocal direction or a great idea from DiMaggio.
I love the joke of "two guys in a lunatic Asylum" direct reference to The Killing Joke (Alan Moore's masterpiece) ❤👌
Really liked that the instead the clown makeup, the makeup was of a regular person, meaning he was pretending to be normal and the insanity was his real persona all along.
The look on Jason's face as he's putting the pieces together while Joker keeps talking.
Him realizing it’s Jason then smiling saying “boy wonder” gotta be one of the best takes of Joker for me💯. It really feels like that specific scene only works for that voice because I don’t think it would of been the same if it was Mark
Such a great voice actor, John DiMaggio. He also voices Bender from Futurama and Jake the Dog from Adventure Time.
And Marcus Fenix in gears of war
You can hear Bender in "What do you think I am, crazy!"
Here's a Dark Knight Returns reference for ya. For laughs!
Also, let's just say that's the diner from Young Justice because that diner is a multiversal constant.
Ur still here after all these years?😂
“I don’t know what it was that bent your life out of shape? But maybe… I’ve been there too.”
Geez it creeped me out, when Joker says boy wonder and starts smiling. Just when I thought the smile would end it just kept getting bigger and bigger
This was the best alternate timeline scene in the whole thing imo. So well done.
WE NEED THE INTERACTIVE VERSION ON DIGITAL.
One thing that is scary to me is that Joker’s smile progressively gets wider and wider as he tells the joke from deadpan to extremely wide grin when he found out who he was talking to.
Plot twist. The two inmates are batman and joker and Joker tells the joke in order to make batman remember and snap, and they are both in a shared psychosis imagining themselves as super hero and villain. The last page of the killing joke being the moment he does snap and strangles Joker before killing himself.
One of the most spectacular writing scenes in animated films tbh.
Jason HAD to kill Joker, regardless of how sane he had become or how much he had reformed, but not because of what he had done in the past, no, but what Joker was about to do.
Imagine you’re Joker. The man you had been playing games with and getting a good laugh out of for the better part of a decade has now died, and there’s no longer any fun to it all. You see no point in continuing the game and put your hat up, go sane.
You spend your days reminiscing about the good old days, longing for how things used to be, and cynical of the way they are now.
Only, one of those days, someone humors you, and eventually you find that that someone is the former protege of the man who died. And you know him too. You’ve hurt him before. And you know that unlike the man who’s taken the formerly dead’s place, this one isn’t as nice or idealistic.
He’s someone to toy with. Someone who can truly replace that dead man’s place in your heart.
So what else could Joker do but smile? For he found someone new to play with. Something to bring back the joy and fun in his life.
Unfortunately for Joker, he didn’t account for how much hate Jason had for him. But even still, he can’t help but laugh. Because though the game was short lived, he won.
Animated Series of DC are the Best. Literally nothing even remotely compares to them.
i just noticed now, as soon as he entered the place you can see ballet passing on the tv, thats why the ballet song lol
mozart A major piano concerto, movement 2: Adagio
1:04 The moment Jason finished identifying him. The moment the Joker called Batman "Bats".
Fun fact : Hamill has said to Dimaggio that he was his favorite Joker voice actor when he wasn’t doing the job.
Dimaggio said it in a Comiccon conference at Montreal Quebec a while ago…
Good times… I’ve met him that day, it was a bit prior the actors guild strike! He seems like a very good guy for real…
Something about the animation at 1:50 really reminds me of the Boondocks
The lipsyncing
Chop animation
He exactly talks like the teacher who say n please
I can't stop watching this clip. It's not because I'm still all-up-on Batman [comics] from 'my' youth, but because this is a perfect scene in an animated movie, period. It's perfect. Perfectly blocked and acted, it's perfect for what it's conveying. The voice acting of the Joker is just enough of the beloved Mark Hamill when it needs to be, but when it doesn't, it's eerie. It's eerie because of the scene matches the voice, or the voice matches the scene, whatever, I can't stop watching this exchange of beloved characters.
people keep talking about his laugh but I personally love his voice before he went koo-koo
it’s weirdly calming
Joker’s Sane voice
Truly this was such a great scene. The voice acting, the narrative, the music. All of it is incredible.
Pure cinema.
I just now have noticed that this diner really looks like the diner from the opening scene in Arkham Knight
Also in young justice
Jason got the best story 🔥🔥🔥
I like that Jason gets his revenge. What everyone seems to forget is that the Joker killed him, and only by random multiversal happenstance did Jason return to life. It's only fair to take the life of the person who ended his life.
It wasn't multiversal events that brought him back. It was the Lazarus pit.
Well, in this version Joker didn’t kill him, he killed Batman, So Jason is really getting revenge for Bruce rather than himself
@@cooldude2027Without Batman, there's no punchline and Joker lose.
That was reconned
@@DragonOfTHa3astPre new 52 Jason got brought back to life by Superboy Prime punching reality
John DiMaggio has to be the most underrated Joker. I would love it if he came back to the role at some point
A truly magnificent and greatly under appreciated preformance by John. His dark timber gives a delightfully stylish cadence that is different from Mark's (the gold standard), yet all the while evoking the musical qualities that makes for a captivating Joker. Bravo!
His smile was terrifying without makeup
I did like this interactive movie because the decisions that revolve into Red Hood's arc fill everything.
It's like joker wanted to be taken out.
He couldn't even keep it in.😂
The smile gave it away.
The Killing Joke 🗿🤙🏻💀
"Tell the big man I said 'hello' " is the last thing Joker told Robin right before he locked up the warehouse with the bomb, for those who didn't realize why he knew Jason was Robin. 😘😘
Love how the normal face was the make up lol
Just like jack nickelson
I love the crescendo of the scene.
It starts normally just like a normal bar chat, but the more Joker talks, the more his voice cracks and can be heard as the old Joker's, the more Jason realizes who he has in front of him.
And again, the more Joker rises his voice the more Jason seems to remember, until the climax, where joker screams "what do you think I am, crazy!", and Jason understands everything...
Then a small "stop" resembling the "peace before the storm", that Phrases, full of symbolism, that makes the joker remember too, and then Jason stabs Joker in the eye.
Such an incredibly beautiful scene.
01:20 Killer Joke citation!
Is this the interactive Netflix version? I don't recall seeing this scene in the original movie.
Yes, it’s an interactive film.
John DiMaggio voices an excellent Joker
He’s no Mark Hamill.
@@TheScribe1.0 well duh but to play a sassy sadistic joker he did great
John Dimaggio easily has the best monolog voice for Joker. Mark Hamil has the best laugh of a younger joker in his prime, but Dimaggio nails this old joker who's tired but still has that little spark of maniacal energy left
The "it's just not the same joke without Batman here" line tells you before he even smiles that the Joker has not changed at all
God the look on Joker's face when he realizes it's Jason is nightmare fuel
the musical crescendo when Joker figures out who Jason is fit's so well it's criminal!
goosebumps every time
I love this Scene I think I have seen it like 200 times already 🤣
“You know this reminds me of a joke I told Bats once, wanna hear it?”
Me: Oh! God! It’s him!
I like how it's reminiscent to the Joker getting a batarang in the eye in The Dark Knight Returns
In love with this scene
Two things I only just now noticed:
1. John DiMaggio's voice remains fairly flat throughout this conversation until he tells the story, then he slowly progresses into the Joker as the joke goes on.
2. Maybe not a direct reference but Batman stabbed that same eye in The Dark Knight Returns.
0:29 the cream/milk obviously foreshadows jokers white skin (true colors).
The way Joker's voice turned back to his crazy demeanor when he is telling his joke is god tier
What people don’t know is that the monologue isn’t what exposed him, it’s when he says “bats” at the start and Joker is the only one who calls Batman bats
Really nice touch with the cream and the coffee ☕️
This scene is perfect, it transcends the medium of animation
0:20 that part already showed he was joker i mean who else calls him bats
One thing marvel can’t do is make bangers like these movies
There really needs to be more stories about heroic doppelgängers of villains fighting an evil justice league. Especially the Joker. He’d be an awesome good guy
We need more Joker without makeup, he's so much more terrifying
I do like that the joker says the killing joke till this day it’s still one of my favourite Batman stories
Also, it would be cooler if it was Mark Hamill
How didn’t his ptsd instantly skyrocket after hearing “a joke I told bats”?
I love how he says the joke which he said to Batman in killing joke
R.I.P. Kevin Conroy
Jason looks like Mark Grayson (Invincible).
John DiMaggio is a genius, other than him and Mark Hamill I don't think there is a better option to portray the Joker
He is definitely underrated given that he’s been used twice.
I really do love the interactive format of this movie. I don't think it'd work for most comic adaptations or movies in general, but imagine a What If:Star Wars where you can choose the alternative choices. Like Luke getting the Original ROTJ ending where he becomes Vader. It'd be sick
Can't runaway from your past, eh Joker?
It may sound dark but i honestly think if Jason didnt assault the cops who suddenly burst in after this scene he would have gotten away with it, he just needed to say: that is the joker, he was doing his crazy smile and i saw him reaching for a knife! If he was taken to court i really dont see any person in their right mind finding him guilty, this is a homicidal maniac guilty of every form of sadism in the book who has murdered and mutilated thousands if not tens of thousands of people and behind tons of urban terrorist attacks.
I like how his teeth somehow changes color when he wipes off the facepaint.
Thats for the crowbar
I do find it kinda funny that Jason realizes who this is pretty quickly, but still let’s him finish the joke
Most people have never seen this because the digital version DOESN'THAVE THE INTERACTIVE ENDINGS!!!