In the comics joker’s speech turns dark, like Batman’s thoughts, after he snaps jokers neck so this makes it pretty clear that batman killed joker and is hallucinating the joker talking to him
I also like since the movie obviously can't use bubbles it plays around with the dialogue. "You're in trouble now." "I made you lose control". Lines that make way more sense if they were directed at Bruce himself.
Ooh that's why he said "stop laughing" I thought it was just some added humor and he speaking to the viewers, because I was laughing that he was missing his shots lol thanks for that
Batman: People see Joker on a killing spree, no one panics because it’s all part of the plan, but when they see me killing the Joker, everybody loses their minds!
I like Joker's "And I love you for it" line for Batman keeping count of the death toll. He's essentially saying "You're willingly making my job of torturing you every single day of your life just a little bit easier"
Internet Dinosaur how? By making him deliberately break his code? I get what you mean by showing his remorse over his Robin’s death but other than that, it wasn’t that deep.
After missing the 2 shots, "Stop laughing." Everytime I hear it, it breaks my heart. Bruce is so far gone, even in death, he can still hear the Joker's laughs
no Bruce isn't far gone, in my opinion he's always been far gone, the concept of murder is just illogical to him, but to all normal and sane minded people a man dressed in a bat costume concussing and paralyzing street thugs is immoral
I love how truly VILE the Joker’s intention was… Many villains wanted to kill the Hero… the Joker wanted to CORRUPT him… Seeing a good man become a monster is the ultimate purpose of evil.
Does he feel guilty after breaking his code? Yes Will it haunt him? Yes Will Gotham be a safer place without the Joker alive and well? Yes Is this one of the greatest comic scenes ever? Yes
Cool thing is he didn’t break it, he finally did the smart thing by just paralyzing him Although the cool thing is, they leave it ambiguous over whether Joker really lived after the neck snap in the comic. Great book
@@lqrosss basically the joker's goal is to make batman break his strongest rule, no killing. In this scene batman lost control in front of civilians when he cracked jokers neck. To finish it joker killed himself, so when the cops arrived it would seem batman broke his rule and killed him thus making the joker a winner in his and batman's eyes.
@@Xrayflames ah I see. In this it can be seen as joker still mocking him even after his death and getting the last laugh hence the "stop laughing". In the comics did joker have last words or did he just die? Not sure if it counts as batmans kill if joker was the one who sealed his death.
"All the people I've murdered By letting you live!" The guilt Joker: "I never kept counting" Batman: "I Did" Joker: "And I love you for it!" Absolutely love this quick exchange, so incredibly badass and twisted.
You actually see hin be cloae to a villain at the end when he talks tk him self. It shows you if he was a hero he wouldn't be a civilian hes to messed up. Sounded like his dad and everything.
Of all the stories that have attempted to tell the story of Batman and Joker’s final battle, this is the one that truly FEELS like like the final culmination of their epic rivalry. The dialogue, the outcome, the aftermath…THIS is how their story really ends. “See you in hell” is the perfect ending touch. It’s such a simple and overused phrase, but it works so perfectly as the Joker’s last word to Batman, because you know he MEANS it.
Because to be fair even though the Joker doesn't have any morals he knows Batman does and like he says he's let a lot of people die by letting the Joker live. As he once said 'even to a guy like me thats cold'
Its not all on batman. Its the system itself. Gotham itself was so damn corrupt they easily couldave sentenced joker to death just for the body count alone. Even in one story where batman SAVES joker from execution for a crime he actually didnt commit they couldave ignored batman and the protocol.
@@ZeroOmega-vg8nqthere was a common comic lore related to Joker And his Death Penalties. Every time they tried to kill him, he ended up escaping and killing everyone who was part of the trial for his death penalty.
in comparison, The Batman Who Laughs and his origin feels like overkill. maybe that's the point, since having Joker kill all of Gotham, THEN line up parents and kill them in front of their kids, THEN having Batman snap Joker's neck, thereby getting infected with the Joker toxin, it all feels cartoonishly over the top. here, at least, they get to duke it out mano a mano, with the love tunnel all to themselves, and no world ending multiverse shenanigans ensue.
@@sunsetman22 yeah their final battle should be personal, not a universe-ending conflict, just two old men who once were gods in a final, bloody farewell.
Medically speaking, when you twist the neck violently enough, the person dies instantly. Speaking, breathing, conscious movement and sensation are all gone. Taken in a literal context, the Batman has to be hallucinating everything after he snaps the Joker's neck.
"All the people I've murdered by letting you live" I absolutely love this line, it took decades, but Batman has finally reached a mental state where he can kill the Joker without going crazy.
Honestly it’s such a powerful scene because Batman always talks about how if he crosses this line that he’ll never come back from it yet here at this point he doesn’t care. Its to point in his life that the code he’s spent a life time up holding, protecting and serving finally isn’t worth the lives the joker has taken and he realizes that now
he does go immediatley crazy, all that talking the joker did while up against the pillar on the ground was all in batmans head. The joker died when batman snapped his neck but kept hallucinating. Then when he tried to escpae, he's talking to the jokers burning body as if he were alive. Man 100% went psycho
@@Aeivious 100% psycho? My guy, he was stabbed multiple times in the gut, and many vital organs too probably, obviously the excessive blood loss does have some effects on the brain, so no he didn't go psycho he was just hallucinating for a while and killing the joker didn't seem to have any major impact on the rest of the movie since Batman still managed to defeat Superman, after getting surgically treated by Alfred of course.
*”Stop laughing.”* I love that. Joker made such an imprint on Bruce, that even though he is quite clearly dead, Bruce can’t help but think that he’d still laugh at him, not just because he can’t shoot a gun, but the mere fact he’s using one. Joker would’ve found that unbelievably funny, and Bruce knows it.
@@roboy4488 His observation wasnt that deep either. It was basically the same thing you said but better articulated. And it's spot on, much less contrived or "deep" than what some of these other comments said about him hallucinating the laughter. Not sure why it's trendy to tell people "it's not that deep", you can tell it's a trend when people start using it wrong.
@@roboy4488 "Batman doesn't use guns never have" Tell me you've never read a Batman comic book, without telling me you've never read a Batman comic book.
@@N-GinAndTonicTM during early comics yes but in anything post crisis, prime earth, Bruce Wayne batman, he never really used a gun. at least not in anything that isn't despised by the community and was retconned as non canon
I love how that implies that, after all, Batman's crazy too. Being either the kicking criminal ass on a bat costume or the blood loss cuz stabs tend to do that.
I don’t know, his grip on reality was slipping ever since he decided to dress like a humanoid bat and physically assault the mentally ill. Batman’s been out of his mind, a long time.
One of the greatest adaptations of Batman of all time. Bruce is older here finally realizing some hard truths. Gotham has lost hope and he returns to give it hope. Such brilliance.
"Hope" for a better Gotham was the lie Bruce told himself to rationalize his own unhinged crusade. It was hate and revenge that drove him, and his inconvenient "code" was only adopted to facilitate the self deception. When his code was no longer convenient, he abandoned it, then began hallucinating as his mind finally broke from the true reality of what he was being laid bare. He was more like the Joker than he was ever willing to admit.
I love the detail they did by making Bruce miss his shots to the C4. Shows human error and the fact he never really liked guns (despite being stabbed in the gut like 5 times).
It’s funny actually. In the comic, he’s quite old and can’t get his finger in the trigger easily. When he took down two face, he used a gun to fire a wire across two building. He also used rubber bullets to take down the mutants
@@tonyspro Me:Violently kills man for trying to rob me 4 civilians: Scream like they're crazy and run in different directions to report me to the law. Me after trying to keep my honor: You've heed your last haw.
That’s why they’re stupid. If Batman kills the Joker, he’s only committed a good deed. Nip evil in the bud so it doesn’t keep repeating, like it wants to. “What gives you the right to choose?!” I rather choose the death of an evil life over the multiple innocents *they’ll* take if allowed to live. Don’t be a fool, and use your senses.
All of gotham: batman needs to kill joker, he's killed so many people *batman kills joker cause of all the people that he killed* All of gotham: batman is crazy, he killed joker!
@@roberthan5109 Gotham: OMG FOR REAL?! Batman KILLED the Joker!?! Superhero who saved us and the world, has killed the criminal who endangered us all? *realization*
The thing I love about this scene is all the great quotes “All the people I’ve murdered… by letting you live” “It’s finally here isn’t it, the moment we’ve both dreamed about” “I win, I made you lose control, And they’ll kill you for it” This is scene is truly amazing, very “poetic” as well
@@mmmCrunchy I guess he was lifting even in his mentally gone state of mind in the nuthouse. Because he is CLEARLY a beast in this movie, going toe-to-toe with Batman who is just fookin huge
I guess because joker is undoubtedly bad so there's no debate around what they can do about him whilst with batman at least half the people in gotham don't trust him and think he could snap any second and he does, I think this not only confirms their paranoia but also betrays the trust of those who believed in him.
Batman being ruthless towards police shows that he realised the whole system failed him again. No matter how many times he stopped him the joker kept escaping a killing only for the same thing to happen again.
1:26 The darkest part is that Batman probably killed Joker here and that whole conversation with him was just Bruce talking to himself and imagining the whole thing
"All the people I've murdered, by letting you live!..." In my opinion, it is the most perfect line after the most horrific moment - Batman finally realizes that some men in this world do not deserve a second chance. Too bad The Joker had probably killed and tortured thousands of innocent lives before Batman snapped out of it eventually.
joker's mentally unwell, though. he isn't responsible for the killings. batman can in no way deny the court's judgement, or else he also has to bear the title of criminal.
I don't think that this cartoon works very well in connection to the live action movies, only because Batman doesn't spare Joker or anyone just because they deserve a second chance. He does it because he doesn't feel that they deserve death, whether as a bad or good thing.
@@smileyhappyface5864 no, as far as i know, batman doesn't kill anybody not because he feels that they don't deserve it, but because he is not the one to make the call. he can't decide who gets to live or die, there's a court system for that.
Every line hit different But when joker said: “it doesn’t matter I win, I made you lose control and they’ll kill you for it” While his neck was broken, was some serious shit
That’s cause that was in Bat’s mind, no human can actually survive their own neck being snapped and actually be able to talk afterwards let alone use their neck
@@Crisyx91 If you check the comics, after Batman snapped Jokers neck, Jokers speech bubbles turned dark like Batman’s speech bubbles meaning that Batman was hallucinating
4:12 the sheer unease with which batman uses a gun --- even in this dire, extreme situation --- really speaks to how he feels about them. it's kind of amazing that he only needed three tries
“It’s finally here isn’t it, the moment we’ve both dreamed about” I love this quote because it reminds me of they’re conversation in The Killing Joke about how they’re battle will end, about who will kill who. This is why I love Batman and The Joker’s relationship so much because no matter how many times they do the dance of death they can’t manage to kill each other because they cancel each other out. Batman’s moral code keeps him from killing him and Joker’s twisted obsession with him and his philosophy about how they can’t live without each other and that they’re destined to play this game forever.
Until finally that moral code breaks and they are reduced to equal footing, setting the stage for the grand finale, the final punchline if you will, where they struggle for survival not as gods but as men pushed to their limits.
I really appreciate how Bruce’s no killing rule does not steam from some high spiritual code of honor in this continuity. He isn’t compelled by cosmic forces to become incorruptible. The reason why he does not kill is because of Trauma. Bruce knows this. He knows that taking a life directly would trigger his trauma and emotional pain. He can perform every skill on the planet, beat every men in there prime, and become a symbol of hope for millions. But this one flaw, is one he could not break even after all these years. And Bruce places so much responsibility towards the actions of the Joker. “All the people ( I ) murdered, but letting you live.” You can hear the frustration in his voice. Bruce dedicated his life into becoming a symbol of hope. Yet this one man, this one monster, challenged everything Bruce stood for. It’s Bruce’s trauma that prevented him from having a deep complex conversation about ending the Joker’s life. A trauma so deep that not even the death of his son, Jason, could force him to kill. This fight pushed Bruce to his limit. He was no longer the same youthful warrior in his past. He was now and old man fighting a ageless monster. Joker would force him to end the fight, the only way he knew how. Putting an end to their rivalry once and for all. What a scene.
Yeah and it is cannon that this Bruce and the Bruce in Batman year one are the same continuity which dives further into the fact Bruce is a highly traumatised and down right obsessive individual Batman never wanted to kill but understood that one day he would have to. Also with the fact that Batman has mental issues the conversation he had with joker could be his mind trying to justify his first murder
“I won. I made you lose control. And they’ll kill you for it…” Meanwhile, literally everyone: You killed the Joker? Well then, we’ll just have to punish you by throwing you the biggest damn party that’s ever existed
There’s a theory out there that suggests that the joker was already dead after the Batman had snapped his neck, his last words being made up in Batman’s head, the last line: “stop laughing” could be further evidence of that
Thorveim I don’t think Batman snapped his neck as much as he fractured it. If he turned his head far enough, especially with it already being fractured, his neck would snap.
@@verynormalhumans4420 Nah.. it was an hallucination... Batman thinking the Joker was having the last laugh on him and pointing how hard this neck snap was going to cost him not that he broke his biggest rule... supporting that is the "stop laughing" batman gives at joker's burning corpse a little later on when he decided to break his other rule by using a gun
@@likhitbadwal6 Yh but the whole point of him not killing is that he would be no better than them it isn’t his fault that the justice system failed he did all he could.
I've watched this scene an absurd number of time. It always bothered me that a broken neck didn't kill the Joker instantly. But now my theory is that "This is the moment we both dreamed about" and "not quite how I imagined it" are foreshadowing to the fact Batman killed Joker instantly, but with his injuries and given the heat of the moment, he made up the last bit of the conversation in his head. Finally the moment came to end his ultimate rival's life and it should mean something. The first time the Bats takes a human life, it should mean something. But nope, there is just a dead body in front of him, nothing else. So he makes up a reason for it all, the Joker speaks in his head but it's just a corpse convulsing. We only get Batman's understanding of the Joker's motivations here, the only logical answer a reasonable mind could come up with given their past. The truth is, Batman never got the real answer. Maybe it was indeed a way to corrupt him. Maybe it was something deeper. Maybe it was just for fun.
Its pretty crazy how not that many people are actually giving the scene where batman tells joker's dead body to stop laughing enough recognition like wow even in death the joker has a way of antagonizing batman and basically making him go kinda insane such a good movie
@@galenmarek4582 still a great point to make. sense it is directly related to the original comment's point about what makes it a good scene and good movie alike.
@@sanebane4355 Lol wot, it’s “all the people I’ve murdered by letting you live” Batman didn’t want to kill joker, and because of that he was allowed to kill more people, making Batman regret it. Hell his own psyche couldn’t handle killing someone so in his mind joker killed himself.
The tunnel of love is oddly a rather fitting place for The Joker to die. Because Batman and Joker have more connection to each other then some lovers do.
“All the people I’ve murdered by letting you live” Think about that for a moment, think about the lives that Joker took, terrorised and ruined either for his own sick amusement or just to hurt Batman. Think of all the times Batman could’ve stopped him for good but couldn’t because he’s so broken himself that once he starts going he’ll be just as worse. Think of what Joker did to people that Bats cared about, the brutal death of a child by a crowbar, a bullet in the spine of the daughter of one of the few people Batman considers a friend and the attempt to break that friend’s sanity afterwards just to prove a point. Think of the time Batman gave this man a chance and he refused to take it because he knows that he’s too far gone for redemption. Think of the people, guilty or innocent he murdered in order to get Batman’s attention, the people he gunned down during one of his iconic chases, until Batman finally has enough. That is why this line is so powerful.
Broken Glass yes, although I suppose him not being on the death penalty says a lot for Gotham’s law enforcement. Another reason why he gets away all the time is that he pleas insanity and abuses a system that allows him to continue to do what he wants, he’s smart enough to exploit the justice system while also doing illegal stuff.
The f**ked up thing about this is Batman killed him in self-defense. That's literally the only time killing is permitted but in Batman's mind, Joker made him break his rule and make him no different than him.
Me: OMG, it’s Baaattmaaaann!! Can I have an autograph, please? Batman: No.. Me: Oh it’s okay, I’ll just love Superman instead.. Superman: Oh nice! Batman: F*CK YOU! Violently snaps my neck and I die. Imagine that happening to me lol
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_"All the people I've murdered by letting you live!"_ "I never kept count." _"I did!"_ "I know. And I love ya for it!" That whole exchange gives me goosebumps every single time!
If citizens take a cops gun, cops have the right to shoot them because they don’t know if the citizen is going to shoot them. That’s for the real world.
In spite of how dark it is, this was truly amazing! Not only that, but those explosions sounded so satisfying, even when Batman was circumventing the tunnel.
1:27 a few folks say that this is when joker dies, and the dialogue that follows are happening inside of Batman’s head because the thought of having killed someone has fractured his sanity and mind.
@@JJS595 *Joker slashes his stomach* It's finally here, isn't it? The moment we've both dreamed about! *Joker attempts to stab Batman's eye and Batman's vision starts to blur* Oh, don't tell me you're gonna fall asleep before we finish? You have gotten old, haven't you? Not quite how I imagined it, but we can still end on a high note! *Stabs Batman's chest a couple of times and Batman snaps Joker's neck* Hahahahaha! You're in trouble now... Go ahead. Say this has never happened to you before.
@@muhammadshaffin2916 Atta boy. Don't ever do that again. Lemme guess... you didn't know how to use your cellphone? Didn't know how to turn off "auto-caps" or whatever?
You know my favorite thing about the Joker? Batman has dedicated his entire life, every fiber of his being, into becoming an unstoppable crime fighter. He can punch the living fuck out of guys like Bane and take down entire armies of goons in seconds. He’s an absolute beast of a man, yet SOMEHOW the Joker, a clown in a funny suit, manages to go toe-to-toe with him every single time. We don’t even know how or why he’s so tough. He just IS.
its often underestimated but the joker is just as smart as bruce is, if not smarter. he just chooses to devote his life to trying to make batman go insane/break his rule.
I think he is able to go toe to toe with batman bc not only is he unpredictable, thats hard to fight against in general, but the man seems to have no sense of pain. I mean in this scene, his eye is stabbed. He is being punched harder than any physical person could punch you, and he is standing up like its nothing. I think thats why its hard to fight joker, because it takes A LOT to knock him out.
@@acus9112 it’s either joker can’t feel pain or is mentally deranged enough that he doesn’t care and just keeps getting up. Not to mention he’s unpredictable if he doesn’t care about pain he’s never on the defensive and leaves Batman on the defensive against someone unpredictable who will let themselves be hit while still attacking you. Kinda like a person on bath salts. Some of them you’ll see take a few billeted but keep coming.
Hmm…well we know from things like the Arkham series that he’s able to power through Scarecrow’s fear toxins, which even Batman struggles to do. I suppose it wouldn’t surprise me if pain is just ‘nothing’ to him.
Batman: Has throwing knives, explosive throwing knives, grappling hook, level 4 body armor nanotech, physics-defying glider cape, thermal vision... Doesn't have a single compression bandage...
Batman Lied to himself Joker was dead from the moment he broke his neck, there's no way he could still talk, but he couldn't live with that knowledge, so he conveniently and unconsciously changed his perception.
people have actually survived a broken neck before so its not that crazy for the joker to live through it, you just have to not move your neck at all after
After Batman snaps The Jokers neck and starts hallucinating Joker talking to him and Joker tells him”I’win, I made you lose control…. and they’ll kill you for it.” That moment is so powerful
@@LegoReader12345hello THe comic version kinda cheated past the no kill rule by implying that the Joker's final taunting was a hallucination. It was the only other time someone other than Batman was speaking with a gray speech bubble.
4:09 it's adorable in a way. Up until this point in his life, he's never once killed anyone with a gun, let alone use a gun. He's used gadets to disable, and his fists and feet to cripple. But never with a gun, closest thing he has to one is the various grappling hooks, launching devices, etc.
“Don’t tell me you’re going to fall asleep before we finish...” Combined with the Love Tunnel, this has some rather... suggestive implications about Joker and Batman’s relationship.
For the very first time, Joker aimed to kill Batman, not just to have a fistfight with him. He knew Bats reached the end of his patience and will finally kill him, so the Joker finally took his chance in return to kill him. Without evil, there can't be good either.
LMAO Joker has ALWAYS trying to kill the Batman. Saying that he didn't isn't paying attention to any of how Joker's kill attempts to wipe out the batman, ESPECIALLY in the Bruce Timm verse where there is no "lovers" dynamic between them; joker just wants batman dead and be done with it because he's been getting in his way and that's it. What you're saying is pure nonsense especially this garbage that "wIthOut eViL thErE caN'T bE gOoD eIthEr" pseudo intellectually nonsense that only a kid would say. If there was no evil in the universe since it's beginning than NOTHING bad would happen to whole world and it would be even MORE beneficial. Good can EASILT exist without evil, saying other wise is pure nonsense drivel. Stop spewing that nonsense out to people just because you think it sounds "smart" or "poetic". NO! It doesn't make any sense at all.
@@Major-fu6tr Good is the opposing force of evil. No evil -> good is irrelevant. There is just neutrality, as if everyone minds their own bussiness without interfering with one another. Oh, and for the record, it's written "without", not "with out".
@@OberWanKenobii wanting batman to be there and still wanting to kill him every time are not mutually exclusive. It’s a paradox for him but he’s insane so that’s how it is. Saying multiple times doesn’t excuse the absolute insanity of his actions all the time as he acts sporadically.
@@MrMegoLoco I am not sure about this... But Jouaquin was offered Dr. Strange and Hulk... he said no... because he wants to play different fucked up role everytime
@@Blekkkkkkkkk Dude... Joker was dark... have you seen the taxi driver... its brutal and Jouaquin's You were never really here was deep,dark drama too... so its possible...
Batman: kills the worst guy ever Commissioner: “if it’s not a cop shoot it” Random cop: “did she just tell us to kill innocent people to find vigilante for killing the worst person ever?”
The moment you realise that's what the justice system is in America (and why I'm glad I don't live there... Although I guess that's just how the media portray it... But it's all I got to go off)
@@childishbambino2024 you believe what you like. We believe the media that provides evidence. And I have lived through that evidence and I have seen it for myself. Americans treat anyone who isn’t white like garbage. There are nice Americans but at this point it’s overwhelming how much hate we (non whites) get for being born in a different race. Thank you
*Joker*: Kills a million people in the most brutal possible way. People: "Everybody need a chance to be rehabilitated! *Batman*: Snaps Joker's neck. People: "HE MUST PAY FOR WHAT HE'S DONE HE'S GONE TOO FAR THIS TIME!"
@@maldino2917 The only reason The Joker isn't executed is because he is considered as insane and the law forbids sentencing insane people to the death sentence so the only thing they can do is put him in an insane asylum which he escapes from every time he is put in one
@@maldino2917 Exactly. If I lived in Gotham and heard that the Batman killed the Joker, I would be like good on you Batman! Now I won't have to live in fear of being blown up everyday. This whole thing of throwing the Joker in jail just for him to escape after a week and kill thousands of innocent people really sucks for us regular people.
"Doesn't matter, I win. I made you lose control" This sums up Jokers entire reasoning Jokers main goal isn't to kill people, rob banks or cause mayhem, he's just doing it to get Batmans attention and to get Batman closer to that abyss little by little Of course Joker enjoys all his crimes but that's not really the point
The Golden age pre crisis Batman of earth 2 actually got rid of his bullet proof vest because it restricted his acrobatics and movement. Maybe this Batman did the same.
@Speedzone Speedforce Exactly. The stupid ideology only exists because of censorship, you can't show kids flawed heroes and that's why i loved the way Batman v Superman did things and of course animated movies like this one.
@@NeightrixPrime no. Being a vigilante would. It's illegal for a reason, mainly that people taking matters into their own hands isn't something to encourage because where does it end? Look at batman, he pretty much created these villains. That's how it works. Batman isn't a hero to idolize, but an unfortunate creation out of desperation.
Why? Vigilantes rarely are measured. Look at frank castle. Dude is psychotic. He's directed against criminals, but he's still sadistic and cruel. The comics go to great lengths to show that. We love him, but the dude needs therapy, like bruce.
@@NeightrixPrime well, the joker is farrrrr beyond any one person or even group has accomplished. If the joker were real, he would singlehandedly be the world's biggest terrorist and murderer. And most serial killers I wouldn't say deserve to get basically tortured, but yeah I see your point
Unfortunately fiction mimics reality. A man in Illinois stopped an armed man from slaughtering a bunch of people and the man who saved everyone ended up getting killed by police
"All the people I've murdered....by letting you live"... This just summerizes Batman and the joker. That no matter what Batman does, he will always lose, because he has morals.
“There's a point, far out there when the structures fail you, and the rules aren't weapons anymore, they're… shackles letting the bad guy get ahead." - Jim Gordon, The Dark Knight Rises
@11I00OO1I0O1Il it's a stretch to say Batman doesnt care about others. Batman does have morals--you just don't agree with them. That's because he has values, that you don't and vice versa. Batman will protect as he can, but he isn't willing to sacrifice his virtue of integrity to do so. He doesn't want to become someone who has to kill to get what he wants--he wants to protect people, but he doesnt want to kill to do so. The Joker is always constantly trying to get Batman to make that sacrifice, to sacrifice his virtue and become like the Joker himself: to kill to get what he wants. And all Batman wants is to avoid that. There's already enough killing for pleasure and gain, as Bruce knows first hand from his parents deaths. Why must there be more? You claim it's justice, but as Ghandi said "if we all took an eye for an eye, the world would be blind." All that matters to you are the consequences, all actions done to appease your own desires/values. In this way, you are no different from "egotistical" Batman in his quest to perserve his own values and virtues. All morals are egotistical in this way. You simply decide your values are inherently superior, then condemn batman's. This dogmatism would he something Joker would love to play off and take advantage of, as he usually does with many characters. And also, you can't condemn Batman for not being willing to sacrifice his moral integrity for something else, when you have your own value you'd never sacrifice for. It's a basic axiom: everyone has one value thing theyd never sacrifice. Whether it's a principle, a virtue, a person, a material, or etc. Theres one singular thing more important to an individual than anything else. And that value is usually what all our morals encompass. So I'm willing to bet that you have a value, like batman, that if threatened, youd be willing to make a sacrifice to perserve it.
@11I00OO1I0O1Il "it is not a virtue to let people die." Never said it was. I said batman held a value of life, and that the value of life wasnt worth sacrificing for another thing. In this understanding, morality operates on a ranking of values--an heirarchy. If Batman values the concept of not taking life above consequentialism--meaning he takes a moral stance of deontology--then of course he will not kill, and will sacrifice one outcome to protect his value. This is an opportunistic cost. Sacrificing one thing, for something you value more. And he values the moral integrity of not taking life, so it comes first. You cant say you dont have values you wont sacrifice. Everyone does. For example, I imagine you value life. But you'd be willing to sacrifice the value of life for the protection of something more important than it--say someone you love. You'd take a life to protect someone. In this case, you sacrifice the value of life in order to preserve the value that is your love one. In Batman's case, he'd probably let his loved one die in order to protect his moral integrity. In this way, besides the different between your values, how are you any different Batman or the Joker? From anyone? People like you try to tell yourselves you are the better person because youd get the right results. But it's all purely relative and subjective. The results you'd want are different from someone else. You can't condemn batman in an objective manner, and when you try to, all youre saying is that your values are superior--which is just your opinion. Values are all subjective. And youd be willing to sacrifice a less important value for one you think is more important. That is ethics. It's just an expression of desire and emotions--there is no true moral proposition that can be true or false. It's all in your head. And what's in your head can change over time. Batman's values changed, so he was willing to sacrifice for a more important value.
He’s lost a lot of blood going insane and is hallucinating the joker laughing while covering from gun fire from a few machine guns it would be quite hard
@@gnuresk4057 Depends on the writer. Some batman learned how to shoot after all you're dealing with guns on a daily basis you need to understand how these weapons work first hand.
I like how those two people were okay with Joker, a mass murderer, running around with a gun but when Batman breaks his neck while he is getting brutally stabbed they run away from Batman. Honestly, it makes no sense.
Never made sense either. I guess before doing justice like this you have to be a police officer or in the military or else people will think your crazy.
Danish Tart I think they were coming from a different entryway of the tunnel and hadn't noticed the hell coming from the other side until they got close.
This was made on purpose. "Batman: The Dark Knight Returns" is a explicit critic of the society built by the Social Justice Warrior. They accept Joker, a mass murder clown only because he is insane, but not Batman a man that protect innocent people.
Francesco Panattoni I think it was done purposefully too. The screaming signifying that Batman has gone too far and done and almost murdered the joker.
"it's finally here isn't it, the moment we've both dreamed about" Chills down my spine dude legit chills I love the dark knight returns part 1 and 2 films so much, they're freaking masterpieces man
Yo!!!! That is not even the worst part, before they run up into that tunnel joker is killing everyone he sees. I mean everyone the guy selling candies even he gets shot, and I mean everyone and brutally and that bitch gets freaked out because of that!!!!
Ok, hear me out... imagine this scene, live action... directed in that gritty Coen Brothers' fashion. Same style of lighting, costume, and coloring. Josh Brolin as the Dark Knight. Willem Dafoe as the Joker. Just... throwing it out there. I want it to be real.... so fucking bad.
@@alnocturna1867 I suggested Brolin cause he really does look remarkably like older Bruce Wayne. But after hearing your suggestion, I second the Gerard Butler choice
"dont fall asleep before we've finished" is such a hilarious line. the tunnel of love and everything and joker has to continue to comment on the romance of their relationship. so good
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In the comics joker’s speech turns dark, like Batman’s thoughts, after he snaps jokers neck so this makes it pretty clear that batman killed joker and is hallucinating the joker talking to him
I also like since the movie obviously can't use bubbles it plays around with the dialogue. "You're in trouble now." "I made you lose control". Lines that make way more sense if they were directed at Bruce himself.
Ooh that's why he said "stop laughing" I thought it was just some added humor and he speaking to the viewers, because I was laughing that he was missing his shots lol thanks for that
Frank Miller did a really good job with the storyline
@@spooksnscreamswithsomerand70 except for the one we wont talk about :)
@@snapdragonzoroark oh the sequel?
Batman: People see Joker on a killing spree, no one panics because it’s all part of the plan, but when they see me killing the Joker, everybody loses their minds!
Because it's aaaaallll part of a plaaaan.
Well, one of them is known for going on killing sprees, while the other makes it a point to NOT do that.
@@greywalker505 yes but right before he did he took how many stabs to the gut he was old so makes sense that enough pain and anger would make him snap
@@john02222
In more ways than one.
Yeah
The fact that The Joker Was Obsessed with Batman.. basically in love with him and how he died in a love tunnel. Wow
Poetic cinema.
"Say this hasn't happened before" (ED reference?)
There's something uncomfortably intimate about this whole scene. Works really well.
gives me gon and hisoka vibes tbh
I'm mcu fan but I just hope dc was only about the batman universe
Symbolism
“All the people I’ve murdered, by letting you live!”
*Such a powerful line.*
I never kept count.
@@xadamx94 I did.
@@huntercool2232 i know. And i love ya for it!
@@xadamx94 It's finally here, isn't it? *The moment we've both dreamed about!*
@@Zarkayaoh don't tell me you're gonna fall asleep before we've finished!
"All the people I've murdered.. by letting you live." best Batman quote ever
I nEvEr KePt CoUnT
I like Joker's "And I love you for it" line for Batman keeping count of the death toll. He's essentially saying "You're willingly making my job of torturing you every single day of your life just a little bit easier"
For real. And I love Snyder for exploring this broken side of Batman.
Internet Dinosaur how? By making him deliberately break his code? I get what you mean by showing his remorse over his Robin’s death but other than that, it wasn’t that deep.
@@tyriqpate9507 I DID!
After missing the 2 shots, "Stop laughing." Everytime I hear it, it breaks my heart. Bruce is so far gone, even in death, he can still hear the Joker's laughs
I love that PR flag pfp
Joker is still immortal ....
no Bruce isn't far gone, in my opinion he's always been far gone, the concept of murder is just illogical to him, but to all normal and sane minded people a man dressed in a bat costume concussing and paralyzing street thugs is immoral
Plus... You know he'd laugh at that. How Batman can't fire a gun
@@ashfaqaslam2971 hes not idiot
I love how truly VILE the Joker’s intention was… Many villains wanted to kill the Hero… the Joker wanted to CORRUPT him… Seeing a good man become a monster is the ultimate purpose of evil.
He didn’t tern him into a monster 😂 the joker just wanted to break Batman code and stoping him from being the perfect hero
@@realqsure6811 Idiot.
hannibal and will graham
@Renuka Raina that was of the joker virus, there are actual versions that kill and are just fine, Michael Keaton is one example.
That last part about evil sounds a lot like society to me.
Does he feel guilty after breaking his code? Yes
Will it haunt him? Yes
Will Gotham be a safer place without the Joker alive and well? Yes
Is this one of the greatest comic scenes ever? Yes
Cool thing is he didn’t break it, he finally did the smart thing by just paralyzing him
Although the cool thing is, they leave it ambiguous over whether Joker really lived after the neck snap in the comic. Great book
gotham is still a shit-hole with or without the joker
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did your father leave you? Yes
No better than the rest of this generation
"I win. I made you lose control. And they'll kill you for it."
this single line hits hard.
Pls
UNO reverse card
@@mrandrossguy9871 probably soon!
could you explain it please?
@@lqrosss basically the joker's goal is to make batman break his strongest rule, no killing. In this scene batman lost control in front of civilians when he cracked jokers neck. To finish it joker killed himself, so when the cops arrived it would seem batman broke his rule and killed him thus making the joker a winner in his and batman's eyes.
@@Xrayflames ah I see. In this it can be seen as joker still mocking him even after his death and getting the last laugh hence the "stop laughing". In the comics did joker have last words or did he just die? Not sure if it counts as batmans kill if joker was the one who sealed his death.
"All the people I've murdered By letting you live!" The guilt
Joker: "I never kept counting"
Batman: "I Did"
Joker: "And I love you for it!"
Absolutely love this quick exchange, so incredibly badass and twisted.
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@@altkingofdogs2373 king of dogs?
Nah u just a beta male
You actually see hin be cloae to a villain at the end when he talks tk him self. It shows you if he was a hero he wouldn't be a civilian hes to messed up. Sounded like his dad and everything.
Maybe not a villain but if he took that first kill it wouldnt have been the same intelligent person.
Joker's corpse: *Is literally burning*
Bruce: "Stop laughing"
Damn Joker truly did get the last laugh.
Nice meeting you again for the 3rd time in a row.
Bro touch some grass
@@bilalahmedsiddiqui9639 Me?
@@amadoguzzy no
😅
Of all the stories that have attempted to tell the story of Batman and Joker’s final battle, this is the one that truly FEELS like like the final culmination of their epic rivalry. The dialogue, the outcome, the aftermath…THIS is how their story really ends.
“See you in hell” is the perfect ending touch. It’s such a simple and overused phrase, but it works so perfectly as the Joker’s last word to Batman, because you know he MEANS it.
Because to be fair even though the Joker doesn't have any morals he knows Batman does and like he says he's let a lot of people die by letting the Joker live. As he once said 'even to a guy like me thats cold'
Its not all on batman. Its the system itself. Gotham itself was so damn corrupt they easily couldave sentenced joker to death just for the body count alone. Even in one story where batman SAVES joker from execution for a crime he actually didnt commit they couldave ignored batman and the protocol.
@@ZeroOmega-vg8nqthere was a common comic lore related to Joker And his Death Penalties.
Every time they tried to kill him, he ended up escaping and killing everyone who was part of the trial for his death penalty.
in comparison, The Batman Who Laughs and his origin feels like overkill. maybe that's the point, since having Joker kill all of Gotham, THEN line up parents and kill them in front of their kids, THEN having Batman snap Joker's neck, thereby getting infected with the Joker toxin, it all feels cartoonishly over the top. here, at least, they get to duke it out mano a mano, with the love tunnel all to themselves, and no world ending multiverse shenanigans ensue.
@@sunsetman22 yeah their final battle should be personal, not a universe-ending conflict, just two old men who once were gods in a final, bloody farewell.
Medically speaking, when you twist the neck violently enough, the person dies instantly. Speaking, breathing, conscious movement and sensation are all gone. Taken in a literal context, the Batman has to be hallucinating everything after he snaps the Joker's neck.
There's a slim chance of surviving a neck snap, but you would be unable to move
Joker won he broke his code
He did.
@@theunholygamer6474 And his neck.
@@theunholygamer6474 That is bs
"All the people I've murdered by letting you live" I absolutely love this line, it took decades, but Batman has finally reached a mental state where he can kill the Joker without going crazy.
@Tech-wp2bh actually shut up
Honestly it’s such a powerful scene because Batman always talks about how if he crosses this line that he’ll never come back from it yet here at this point he doesn’t care. Its to point in his life that the code he’s spent a life time up holding, protecting and serving finally isn’t worth the lives the joker has taken and he realizes that now
he does go immediatley crazy, all that talking the joker did while up against the pillar on the ground was all in batmans head. The joker died when batman snapped his neck but kept hallucinating. Then when he tried to escpae, he's talking to the jokers burning body as if he were alive. Man 100% went psycho
@@Aeivious 100% psycho? My guy, he was stabbed multiple times in the gut, and many vital organs too probably, obviously the excessive blood loss does have some effects on the brain, so no he didn't go psycho he was just hallucinating for a while and killing the joker didn't seem to have any major impact on the rest of the movie since Batman still managed to defeat Superman, after getting surgically treated by Alfred of course.
@@Aeivious If Batman went 100% psycho we would have seen another Batman Who Laughs in TDKR 2
*”Stop laughing.”*
I love that. Joker made such an imprint on Bruce, that even though he is quite clearly dead, Bruce can’t help but think that he’d still laugh at him, not just because he can’t shoot a gun, but the mere fact he’s using one. Joker would’ve found that unbelievably funny, and Bruce knows it.
Bruh it's not that deep he was saying that because he couldn't shoot the bomb and kept missing (batman doesn't use guns never have)
@@roboy4488 His observation wasnt that deep either. It was basically the same thing you said but better articulated. And it's spot on, much less contrived or "deep" than what some of these other comments said about him hallucinating the laughter. Not sure why it's trendy to tell people "it's not that deep", you can tell it's a trend when people start using it wrong.
4:27
@@roboy4488
"Batman doesn't use guns never have"
Tell me you've never read a Batman comic book, without telling me you've never read a Batman comic book.
@@N-GinAndTonicTM during early comics yes
but in anything post crisis, prime earth, Bruce Wayne batman, he never really used a gun.
at least not in anything that isn't despised by the community and was retconned as non canon
"Stop laughing"
Loved that line. Batman knows deep down that Joker would burst out laughing seeing him use a gun after all those years
i think joker was laughing from hell at batmans terrible aim
I love how that implies that, after all, Batman's crazy too.
Being either the kicking criminal ass on a bat costume or the blood loss cuz stabs tend to do that.
If you read the actual comic this isn’t Batman imagining or picturing joker laughing, no. He’s literally seeing joker laughing. Superb writing
no… hes hallucinating it, joker made he completely lose it
Joker: 💀
Batman: “Stop laughing”
Joker: 💀
Benton Lemus cause we all know joker will be laughing for eternity after that
Joker: you wouldn’t get it
Batman: why are you laughing?
Joker: you wouldn’t get it
When does he say it
I’m dead 💀...get it? Lol
Somehow spitting on Joker's corpse was the most and the least Batman thing to do
should have pissed on him.
Batman spits on him in the comics sooo
Hope that nobody checks the DNA
@@leduc6919 Batman burnt the body
@@leduc6919joker got lit on fire no way there gonna be able to find his dna after that
The fact that Bruce imagined the end so his morality wouldn’t shatter shows he is to far down the rabbit hole
he also literally told a corpse to stop laughing at him
Your right
@@kritikill7779 because he knew joker would be laughing at him since batman is usually the best at everything but he can't shoot a gun.
I don’t know, his grip on reality was slipping ever since he decided to dress like a humanoid bat and physically assault the mentally ill. Batman’s been out of his mind, a long time.
@@Trashheapcuntspawn well you would probably beat the crap out a killer if they were harming someone
One of the greatest adaptations of Batman of all time. Bruce is older here finally realizing some hard truths. Gotham has lost hope and he returns to give it hope. Such brilliance.
"Hope" for a better Gotham was the lie Bruce told himself to rationalize his own unhinged crusade. It was hate and revenge that drove him, and his inconvenient "code" was only adopted to facilitate the self deception. When his code was no longer convenient, he abandoned it, then began hallucinating as his mind finally broke from the true reality of what he was being laid bare. He was more like the Joker than he was ever willing to admit.
I love the detail they did by making Bruce miss his shots to the C4. Shows human error and the fact he never really liked guns (despite being stabbed in the gut like 5 times).
It’s funny actually. In the comic, he’s quite old and can’t get his finger in the trigger easily. When he took down two face, he used a gun to fire a wire across two building. He also used rubber bullets to take down the mutants
more that he lost A LOT of blood
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@@tonyc8258 well he also survives and makes a batman gang.
Those civilians running when batman killed joker is the equivalent to the cops coming after you in gta when you kill the guy shooting you first
When you kill a guy who attacked you first and become wanted in Red Dead 2
@@brez1093 every time it happens I’m like “so its okay for THEM but not me?”
@@tonyspro
Me:Violently kills man for trying to rob me
4 civilians: Scream like they're crazy and run in different directions to report me to the law.
Me after trying to keep my honor: You've heed your last haw.
“I win. I made you lose control and now they’re gonna punish YOU for it.”
People are stupid lol
1:30 doesnt scream when batmans getting stabbed but panics when batman snaps the neck of a man thats killed over 600 people
That’s why they’re stupid.
If Batman kills the Joker, he’s only committed a good deed. Nip evil in the bud so it doesn’t keep repeating, like it wants to.
“What gives you the right to choose?!”
I rather choose the death of an evil life over the multiple innocents *they’ll* take if allowed to live.
Don’t be a fool, and use your senses.
600? LMAO IT'S WAYYYYYYYYY MORE THAN 600
@@microchip9982 Whatever helps him sleep at night......if he does that is.
All of gotham: batman needs to kill joker, he's killed so many people
*batman kills joker cause of all the people that he killed*
All of gotham: batman is crazy, he killed joker!
@@roberthan5109 Gotham: OMG FOR REAL?! Batman KILLED the Joker!?! Superhero who saved us and the world, has killed the criminal who endangered us all?
*realization*
The thing I love about this scene is all the great quotes
“All the people I’ve murdered… by letting you live”
“It’s finally here isn’t it, the moment we’ve both dreamed about”
“I win, I made you lose control, And they’ll kill you for it”
This is scene is truly amazing, very “poetic” as well
"If it isn't a cop, shoot it!"
Innocent civilians that didn't escape the tunnel: *oh no*
Im dead
Pretty much the real thought process of police everywhere.
@@Mozes316 Haha yes police bad
@@OGXenos lmao Christ...
Pretty sure it was empty.
Batman and Joker are like seriouuuusly pumped up in this movie. Gyms have been open extra time in Gotham.
haha ikr they lookin pretty thic
*DAMN BOI HE THICC*
Extra impressive for Joker because he's supposedly been in a catatonic state for years until he saw Batman on TV.
@@mmmCrunchy I guess he was lifting even in his mentally gone state of mind in the nuthouse. Because he is CLEARLY a beast in this movie, going toe-to-toe with Batman who is just fookin huge
Steroids, bro.
"If it isn't a cop, shoot it" imagine hiding during this and hearing that
A fellow soul knight fan, rare find
Lul
This aged p o o r l y .
“ wait I’m no-“
Cop: shoot him
Nothing serious if you have a bullet, fire and electricity proof batsuit.
Nothing happens if you have PLOT armor
Imagine being the guy who wrote the 'all the people i've murdered' line after almost a century of batman.
That would be Frank Miller a very odd individual beging the man who wrote some of the greatest and worst Batman story’s of the charcter’s existence
@@Justachannel-u9wnon ha scritto nessuna brutta storia
I love goodnight pun pun
@@CristianZanin2002all star batman
@@e_knees8816 all star batman and robin is a masterpiece
Joker: i killed thousands of people, nobody cared.
Batman: i killed the Joker, everyone hates me
Jason: finally that psychopath is dead
@@tylerjones7592 Jason: *sigh* I should the one who killed him!!!
I guess because joker is undoubtedly bad so there's no debate around what they can do about him whilst with batman at least half the people in gotham don't trust him and think he could snap any second and he does, I think this not only confirms their paranoia but also betrays the trust of those who believed in him.
weird but that's what I think it is...
@@isaacwright8211 but that's just a theory
a *GAME* theory 😎
"Stop laughing."
I love how he knows Joker would find entertaining and funny the fact he is using a gun.
and also missing his shots
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@@NisangaiZ 4:28
@@dinorex3464 no
Batman being ruthless towards police shows that he realised the whole system failed him again. No matter how many times he stopped him the joker kept escaping a killing only for the same thing to happen again.
But not only that, HE failed as much as the sistem by leting Joker live, if not more, Batman himself acknowledge that.
I you ever read the Injustice comic you would know that Batman is the cause not just the Joker
He wasn't killing the cops.
@@permastolocals604 Yh ik
@@bloomblock2768 Yea, Good Ol' Bats was doing a PHENOMENAL job.
1:26 The darkest part is that Batman probably killed Joker here and that whole conversation with him was just Bruce talking to himself and imagining the whole thing
He didn't. This is a lie. The author discredited this
@@SS-rr7byhow tf would joker still be alive after batman snapping his neck
@@randomguyonyoutube3297 he paralyzed him by breaking his neck, doesn't always end in death
@@SS-rr7by no he didn't he snapped his neck everything else after that is a hallucination
@@randomguyonyoutube3297 nope. You are categorically wrong
"All the people I've murdered, by letting you live!..."
In my opinion, it is the most perfect line after the most horrific moment - Batman finally realizes that some men in this world do not deserve a second chance. Too bad The Joker had probably killed and tortured thousands of innocent lives before Batman snapped out of it eventually.
joker's mentally unwell, though. he isn't responsible for the killings. batman can in no way deny the court's judgement, or else he also has to bear the title of criminal.
Yup.
Nope
I don't think that this cartoon works very well in connection to the live action movies, only because Batman doesn't spare Joker or anyone just because they deserve a second chance. He does it because he doesn't feel that they deserve death, whether as a bad or good thing.
@@smileyhappyface5864 no, as far as i know, batman doesn't kill anybody not because he feels that they don't deserve it, but because he is not the one to make the call. he can't decide who gets to live or die, there's a court system for that.
Every line hit different
But when joker said: “it doesn’t matter I win, I made you lose control and they’ll kill you for it”
While his neck was broken, was some serious shit
That’s cause that was in Bat’s mind, no human can actually survive their own neck being snapped and actually be able to talk afterwards let alone use their neck
@@r0bo329 they were not planning on being realistic while making this sane. It happened for real
@@Crisyx91 If you check the comics, after Batman snapped Jokers neck, Jokers speech bubbles turned dark like Batman’s speech bubbles meaning that Batman was hallucinating
@@brickathon7322 so it means that batman did kill the joker in the comic
@@bhoumikkabir3583 yes, and everything Joker said after his neck snapped was all in Batman's head
Couple: sees Joker stabbing Batman
Also the couple: runs away to tell the police that batman attacked Joker
Just like the bullying problem in schools
Kid : gets bullied.
Schools : I saw nothing
Kid : defends himself
Schools : hold up!!!
@@aqeelahmad4381 yup
@@aqeelahmad4381 so batman is kind of being bullied by Gotham
#batlivesmatter
4:12 the sheer unease with which batman uses a gun --- even in this dire, extreme situation --- really speaks to how he feels about them. it's kind of amazing that he only needed three tries
It's more like he can't shoot a gun because he hates them and doesn't ever practive with them.
Guest: “Uh, your kids are-“
Parents: “Oh their just playing!”
The kid’s play:
LMFAO
**gunshots**
How the teachers saw me and my best friend pretending to be fighting in elementary school:
“Cosplaying”
That's dark.
“It’s finally here isn’t it, the moment we’ve both dreamed about”
I love this quote because it reminds me of they’re conversation in The Killing Joke about how they’re battle will end, about who will kill who. This is why I love Batman and The Joker’s relationship so much because no matter how many times they do the dance of death they can’t manage to kill each other because they cancel each other out. Batman’s moral code keeps him from killing him and Joker’s twisted obsession with him and his philosophy about how they can’t live without each other and that they’re destined to play this game forever.
Kinda like yin and yang; god and the devil; ego vs spirit
Until finally that moral code breaks and they are reduced to equal footing, setting the stage for the grand finale, the final punchline if you will, where they struggle for survival not as gods but as men pushed to their limits.
Lol kinda romantic. Forever and ever.
@@hollytree3379 gay af
Tdkr was made before killing joke.
Love how he just sits next to him, one of the few people who actually understood him.
@Brainstorm I mean even if they were understanding each other the most and such...
Joker still is an asshole
Meanwhile Alfred, like 4 robins, batgirls, and Gordon: Are we a joke to you?
Its because the joker is batman's biggest failure
reminded me of Jonathan with Dio
@@timothylaranjo5109 nah Jason is
I really appreciate how Bruce’s no killing rule does not steam from some high spiritual code of honor in this continuity. He isn’t compelled by cosmic forces to become incorruptible. The reason why he does not kill is because of Trauma.
Bruce knows this. He knows that taking a life directly would trigger his trauma and emotional pain. He can perform every skill on the planet, beat every men in there prime, and become a symbol of hope for millions. But this one flaw, is one he could not break even after all these years. And Bruce places so much responsibility towards the actions of the Joker.
“All the people ( I ) murdered, but letting you live.”
You can hear the frustration in his voice. Bruce dedicated his life into becoming a symbol of hope. Yet this one man, this one monster, challenged everything Bruce stood for. It’s Bruce’s trauma that prevented him from having a deep complex conversation about ending the Joker’s life. A trauma so deep that not even the death of his son, Jason, could force him to kill.
This fight pushed Bruce to his limit. He was no longer the same youthful warrior in his past. He was now and old man fighting a ageless monster. Joker would force him to end the fight, the only way he knew how. Putting an end to their rivalry once and for all. What a scene.
Yeah and it is cannon that this Bruce and the Bruce in Batman year one are the same continuity which dives further into the fact Bruce is a highly traumatised and down right obsessive individual Batman never wanted to kill but understood that one day he would have to. Also with the fact that Batman has mental issues the conversation he had with joker could be his mind trying to justify his first murder
“I won. I made you lose control. And they’ll kill you for it…”
Meanwhile, literally everyone: You killed the Joker? Well then, we’ll just have to punish you by throwing you the biggest damn party that’s ever existed
Sadly Jason Todd Never Witnessed this
would you throw a party to a rich guy who just killed some mentally ill dude?
"How dare you finally get rid of one of the most ruthless villains to ever have existed???"
The joker got a crush on batman.
@@michaelparker1348 I don't think he exists in this universe
There’s a theory out there that suggests that the joker was already dead after the Batman had snapped his neck, his last words being made up in Batman’s head, the last line: “stop laughing” could be further evidence of that
J-seph :l not a theory, it’s true
@@Joetheawesome13579 yeah... I have a hard time imagining him snapping his own neck a second time
Thorveim I don’t think Batman snapped his neck as much as he fractured it. If he turned his head far enough, especially with it already being fractured, his neck would snap.
@@verynormalhumans4420 Nah.. it was an hallucination... Batman thinking the Joker was having the last laugh on him and pointing how hard this neck snap was going to cost him not that he broke his biggest rule... supporting that is the "stop laughing" batman gives at joker's burning corpse a little later on when he decided to break his other rule by using a gun
@@Joetheawesome13579 ITS A FILM THEORY!!!
This was batman’s ultimate sacrifice. His own sanity for the betterment of the city.
so bruce wayne went bankrupt, lost all of his fortune and now he's working in a bar (barman)
@@alexravex4575 I see what I did there u cheeky fucker 😅😅
@@alexravex4575 I would watch it.
You know if he did that "ultimate sacrifice" a little earlier in life, quite a lot of people would have lived.
@@likhitbadwal6 Yh but the whole point of him not killing is that he would be no better than them it isn’t his fault that the justice system failed he did all he could.
I've watched this scene an absurd number of time. It always bothered me that a broken neck didn't kill the Joker instantly. But now my theory is that "This is the moment we both dreamed about" and "not quite how I imagined it" are foreshadowing to the fact Batman killed Joker instantly, but with his injuries and given the heat of the moment, he made up the last bit of the conversation in his head. Finally the moment came to end his ultimate rival's life and it should mean something. The first time the Bats takes a human life, it should mean something. But nope, there is just a dead body in front of him, nothing else. So he makes up a reason for it all, the Joker speaks in his head but it's just a corpse convulsing. We only get Batman's understanding of the Joker's motivations here, the only logical answer a reasonable mind could come up with given their past. The truth is, Batman never got the real answer. Maybe it was indeed a way to corrupt him. Maybe it was something deeper. Maybe it was just for fun.
In the comic, Joker does die. And the dialogue between them is a hallucination in Batman’s mind to find justification for killing Joker.
@@BJenno whats the comics name?
@ivanthehighman177 the dark knight returns
So tl;dr jokes neck snapped and batman justified it in his head.
That was confirmed in the comic 🗿
Its pretty crazy how not that many people are actually giving the scene where batman tells joker's dead body to stop laughing enough recognition like wow even in death the joker has a way of antagonizing batman and basically making him go kinda insane such a good movie
Actually the scene he is talking to him before he says he will see him in hell is all in Batman’s mind.
@@danatedawg1018......And the original comment said absolutely nothing about that scene🤦🏻♂️
@@galenmarek4582 still a great point to make. sense it is directly related to the original comment's point about what makes it a good scene and good movie alike.
@@galenmarek4582 Yep, but
Even though it wasn't animated (like the "See you in hell" part) he heard the joker like in that scene.
Oh that I already know and I agree with
The “No more!” Gives me chills.
All the people you killed, I let you live
@@sanebane4355 Lol wot, it’s “all the people I’ve murdered by letting you live”
Batman didn’t want to kill joker, and because of that he was allowed to kill more people, making Batman regret it. Hell his own psyche couldn’t handle killing someone so in his mind joker killed himself.
Batman you killed joker
Killing Joker like that, you should be ashamed of yourself
What about "stop laughing" 4:27
Joker: *brutally killed hundreds of people*
The people: smh
Batman: *killed the world’s most criminally insane man*
The people: UHH!! You MONSTER!!!!!
That's just like the 🇺🇸. It's ok to shame one for being skinny. But flip the script on someone being fat then it's a problem
@@victorchico7768 i don't get it haha
@@victorchico7768 lol i like that
@@victorchico7768 facts not fax
Lol nvm
"dont tell me.youre gonna fall asleep before we finish" 💀💀
This was when everyone in Gotham was buffed af
Oh I thought batman just got fat
@@Snazzynova no
Even Joker that has been a vegetable for 20 years.
Zirob super rats. Super cats. Now super people.
When a Batman show was produced by none other than Jonathan Joestar.
The tunnel of love is oddly a rather fitting place for The Joker to die. Because Batman and Joker have more connection to each other then some lovers do.
I agree, like many have said their relationship is essentially a really abusive love story
Where the fan fiction at?
gay
@@beyondkujo very
Who else would give him a reach around?
“All the people I’ve murdered by letting you live”
Think about that for a moment, think about the lives that Joker took, terrorised and ruined either for his own sick amusement or just to hurt Batman.
Think of all the times Batman could’ve stopped him for good but couldn’t because he’s so broken himself that once he starts going he’ll be just as worse.
Think of what Joker did to people that Bats cared about, the brutal death of a child by a crowbar, a bullet in the spine of the daughter of one of the few people Batman considers a friend and the attempt to break that friend’s sanity afterwards just to prove a point.
Think of the time Batman gave this man a chance and he refused to take it because he knows that he’s too far gone for redemption.
Think of the people, guilty or innocent he murdered in order to get Batman’s attention, the people he gunned down during one of his iconic chases, until Batman finally has enough.
That is why this line is so powerful.
Matthew Mason Would you think in reality that Joker would get the death penalty?
Broken Glass Without a doubt just depends which state or country he’s captured in lol
Aleksei Sanchez ah, thank you for the reply. 👍
Broken Glass yes, although I suppose him not being on the death penalty says a lot for Gotham’s law enforcement.
Another reason why he gets away all the time is that he pleas insanity and abuses a system that allows him to continue to do what he wants, he’s smart enough to exploit the justice system while also doing illegal stuff.
Matthew Mason Wow, Joker is smarter then I thought. Thanks for the reply 👌
The f**ked up thing about this is Batman killed him in self-defense. That's literally the only time killing is permitted but in Batman's mind, Joker made him break his rule and make him no different than him.
Batman: *kills murderer*
Everyone: *"Oh my god did he really do that"*
Correction... MASS MURDER/ TERRORIST.
Heres the problem with killing Joker(if your Batman) you proved his point
@@Prince_of_Despair who tf cares, man's dead lmfaoo
@@akarshy theres three Jokers. Batman only killed one
@@Prince_of_Despair right, but the joker whose point was proven is dead. So who cares about his point lmfao
“All the people I’ve murdered, by letting you live.”
“I never kept count.”
“I did”
Jason todd : it's about damn time
"I know. And I love you for it"
Best batman line ever
Me: OMG, it’s Baaattmaaaann!! Can I have an autograph, please?
Batman: No..
Me: Oh it’s okay, I’ll just love Superman instead..
Superman: Oh nice!
Batman: F*CK YOU! Violently snaps my neck and I die.
Imagine that happening to me lol
Nikaido one of the best.
4:25 Just shows that no matter how smart and skilled batman is, he's still mentally damaged after all he and joker have experienced.
Or maybe he just believes in an afterlife like the Joker. Maybe he really thinks he's in Hell laughing at him and waiting for him to join him.
@D Moll yeah your real cool man. That’s a pretty common theme in a lot of these animated Batman movies. A good example would be the killing joke.
Nah I just think Batman is having a quip
He was mentally damaged at 5.
@@icowrich Exactly ..then Joker made More damage
“I win. I made you lose control…. And they’ll kill you for it. See you… in HELL.” Honestly one of the best lines in history
how fitting that batman and joker’s final fight was in the “cannel of love”
Joker: I never kept count
Bat: I did
Joker: I know, and I love you for it
The strange "couple love" references don't stop there
Joker: "Oh don't tell me you're gonna fall asleep before we finish. You have gotten old!"
"Tunnel of love."
spelled canal wrong and its called a tunnel of love
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_"All the people I've murdered by letting you live!"_
"I never kept count."
_"I did!"_
"I know. And I love ya for it!"
That whole exchange gives me goosebumps every single time!
I know and the score really shows the history between them
it shows a relationship
Frankie P love shitty movies? This is a great movie
Gaelek13 really? It actually made me laugh
Gaelek13 am I the only one who thinks that the joker sounds like Ben Shapiro
"If it isnt a cop, shoot it"
*cops shoot a civilian*
Joker: you're in trouble now
24,000 deducted for cleaner costs
@@ERRandDEL pay day 2
no, you're just in America
If citizens take a cops gun, cops have the right to shoot them because they don’t know if the citizen is going to shoot them. That’s for the real world.
@@Retr05548 SHUT UP FREAK
In spite of how dark it is, this was truly amazing! Not only that, but those explosions sounded so satisfying, even when Batman was circumventing the tunnel.
This version of joker just seems like a deranged Conan O'Brien
The whole movie looks like it was animated by the JoJo directors
Funnily enough he kills a character voiced by Conan O'Brien in the movie
gimme ur belt
Lmao
Conan O’ Brien is a deranged Conan O’Brien
1:27 a few folks say that this is when joker dies, and the dialogue that follows are happening inside of Batman’s head because the thought of having killed someone has fractured his sanity and mind.
“A few folks”
Nah buddy, this was very much implied in the book and everyone who read it knows this
@@thus.spoke.zarathustra When they say "few folk" they obviously mean that they have only seen a couple people in the comments say it.
actually thanks for pointing that out i didnt know this
Yeah this makes a lot more sense now having not read the books
yeah you can hear his neck break there
“NO MOREE!!!” You can tell Batman was really done and fed up when he said that....
"All the People i've murdered.... by letting you live."
@@Holidaypunch1 I never kept count
I did!
@@ChickenPermission420 I know and I love you for it
@@JJS595 *Joker slashes his stomach*
It's finally here, isn't it? The moment we've both dreamed about!
*Joker attempts to stab Batman's eye and Batman's vision starts to blur*
Oh, don't tell me you're gonna fall asleep before we finish? You have gotten old, haven't you? Not quite how I imagined it, but we can still end on a high note!
*Stabs Batman's chest a couple of times and Batman snaps Joker's neck*
Hahahahaha! You're in trouble now... Go ahead. Say this has never happened to you before.
"All The People I've Murdered, By Letting You Live!"
I'm Getting Jason Todd Vibes Here..
If he was alive
You gotta stop capitalizing the first letter of each word mid sentence. That's not how you were taught to write.
@@mkultra2456 Man, I already have LMAO
@@muhammadshaffin2916 Atta boy. Don't ever do that again. Lemme guess... you didn't know how to use your cellphone? Didn't know how to turn off "auto-caps" or whatever?
@@mkultra2456don't be racist man
You know my favorite thing about the Joker? Batman has dedicated his entire life, every fiber of his being, into becoming an unstoppable crime fighter. He can punch the living fuck out of guys like Bane and take down entire armies of goons in seconds. He’s an absolute beast of a man, yet SOMEHOW the Joker, a clown in a funny suit, manages to go toe-to-toe with him every single time.
We don’t even know how or why he’s so tough. He just IS.
its often underestimated but the joker is just as smart as bruce is, if not smarter. he just chooses to devote his life to trying to make batman go insane/break his rule.
I think he is able to go toe to toe with batman bc not only is he unpredictable, thats hard to fight against in general, but the man seems to have no sense of pain.
I mean in this scene, his eye is stabbed.
He is being punched harder than any physical person could punch you, and he is standing up like its nothing.
I think thats why its hard to fight joker, because it takes A LOT to knock him out.
@@acus9112 it’s either joker can’t feel pain or is mentally deranged enough that he doesn’t care and just keeps getting up. Not to mention he’s unpredictable if he doesn’t care about pain he’s never on the defensive and leaves Batman on the defensive against someone unpredictable who will let themselves be hit while still attacking you.
Kinda like a person on bath salts. Some of them you’ll see take a few billeted but keep coming.
Simple answer. He’s built different.
Hmm…well we know from things like the Arkham series that he’s able to power through Scarecrow’s fear toxins, which even Batman struggles to do.
I suppose it wouldn’t surprise me if pain is just ‘nothing’ to him.
batman: has indestructible, bullet proof armor.
joker: knife go brrr
joker is super strong in this universe
@@neojenshi4055 yeah but the knife isn't
Batman: Has throwing knives, explosive throwing knives, grappling hook, level 4 body armor nanotech, physics-defying glider cape, thermal vision...
Doesn't have a single compression bandage...
@@manictiger batman thought he was unhurtable because of how prepared he was
@@manictiger All those weapons leave no space for a medkit =)
Batman Lied to himself
Joker was dead from the moment he broke his neck, there's no way he could still talk, but he couldn't live with that knowledge, so he conveniently and unconsciously changed his perception.
people have actually survived a broken neck before so its not that crazy for the joker to live through it, you just have to not move your neck at all after
gallohalt fact
@@gallohalt And would you believe he can break his own neck after...been already broken (to a certain extent at least?) in such a manner?
Its a animated movie chill
@@frankcastle8150 it's art and art is meant to be interpreted
“And I love you for it,” lmfao 😂😂😂
After Batman snaps The Jokers neck and starts hallucinating Joker talking to him and Joker tells him”I’win, I made you lose control…. and they’ll kill you for it.” That moment is so powerful
I thought it was weird that Joker broke his neck, talked for a bit, then broke his neck again.
@@forgottenrights351 Is that what happened? I thought Joker's neck was busted so he ended up breaking his own neck to finish the deal
@@LegoReader12345hello THe comic version kinda cheated past the no kill rule by implying that the Joker's final taunting was a hallucination. It was the only other time someone other than Batman was speaking with a gray speech bubble.
@@LegoReader12345hello he didnt him Joker killed himself to make people think It was Batman
@@igor44706 yeh that’s what’s confusing because the comments here are saying Batman killed joker, but I agree with you that joker killed himself
4:12 I love that part. He struggled for a sec to even put his finger on the trigger. Just shows that he STILL has that fear and/or hatred of guns.
You realy stole this
This version of Batman has no gripes with using guns, he was just weak from prior wounds
i thought he just couldnt aim well because of his old age and injuries
Hey There Wrong, he does not like using guns at all. But it being wounded did throw off his aim.
Batman he does in the dark knight returns comic
This joker performance is often underrated and overlooked
Sachin Padmajan lol
lol
lol
lol
lol
Batman : Stop Laughing
Joker : 💀
2:22 the joker ended his life as he lived it. One day he just snapped
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
WWWTTTTFFFFF!!!!
well said
Well fucking put
Best comment ever
“If it isn’t a cop, shoot it!”
Random guy walks in: “Hey what’s going on-“ **Gets blasted full of bullets**
Rev up those fryers because I am hungry for a Krabby Pa-WAHHHHHH!
@@coleozaeta6344 Can't you see we're closed?
Who ordered piz- AAAAAHHH
XD
Hey sweetie
See where i brought youaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh
Joker’s dead body:
Batman: “Stop laughing”
Joker’s dead body:
derpyz muffinz 🤣👌🏾
Joker: no, i don't think i will
@@theequalizer694 It’s almost like the joker also made Batman a little insane too..
@@Swagmaster65 fuck I accidentally posted the comment 3 times thanks mobile
Notta Reelname exactas what i got from it too!
4:09 it's adorable in a way. Up until this point in his life, he's never once killed anyone with a gun, let alone use a gun. He's used gadets to disable, and his fists and feet to cripple. But never with a gun, closest thing he has to one is the various grappling hooks, launching devices, etc.
Earlier in the comic, he definitely uses a gun in the "I believe you" scene
“Don’t tell me you’re going to fall asleep before we finish...”
Combined with the Love Tunnel, this has some rather... suggestive implications about Joker and Batman’s relationship.
always has been ;3
Oh damn
holy crap OH GOD NO
'the moment we both dreamed about", "Not quite how I imagined it, but we can still end on a high note".
@@jeromehahaha118 Oh for fu-
“Would you like to tell me the joke?”
“You wouldn’t get it”
Tell me
@@snowman5438 and starts singing
Is that the joke?
@@snowman5438 it's from the new joker movie
Also a movie i did not see
For the very first time, Joker aimed to kill Batman, not just to have a fistfight with him. He knew Bats reached the end of his patience and will finally kill him, so the Joker finally took his chance in return to kill him. Without evil, there can't be good either.
LMAO Joker has ALWAYS trying to kill the Batman. Saying that he didn't isn't paying attention to any of how Joker's kill attempts to wipe out the batman, ESPECIALLY in the Bruce Timm verse where there is no "lovers" dynamic between them; joker just wants batman dead and be done with it because he's been getting in his way and that's it.
What you're saying is pure nonsense especially this garbage that "wIthOut eViL thErE caN'T bE gOoD eIthEr" pseudo intellectually nonsense that only a kid would say. If there was no evil in the universe since it's beginning than NOTHING bad would happen to whole world and it would be even MORE beneficial.
Good can EASILT exist without evil, saying other wise is pure nonsense drivel.
Stop spewing that nonsense out to people just because you think it sounds "smart" or "poetic". NO! It doesn't make any sense at all.
Um yea there can be good with out evil.
@@Major-fu6tr Good is the opposing force of evil. No evil -> good is irrelevant. There is just neutrality, as if everyone minds their own bussiness without interfering with one another.
Oh, and for the record, it's written "without", not "with out".
@@Gadget-Walkmen No. Joker wants batman to be there because without him there is no thrill. He's said it multiple times before
@@OberWanKenobii wanting batman to be there and still wanting to kill him every time are not mutually exclusive. It’s a paradox for him but he’s insane so that’s how it is.
Saying multiple times doesn’t excuse the absolute insanity of his actions all the time as he acts sporadically.
"I never kept count."
*"I did."*
"I know... and I love ya for it." ❤
This is what live actions could've been.... raw and dark... I am glad Joker(2019) is such a strong movie on its own
Yeah man, and the batman solo film, if it is gonna be with the J.P. Joker, should be amazing
@@MrMegoLoco I am not sure about this... But Jouaquin was offered Dr. Strange and Hulk... he said no... because he wants to play different fucked up role everytime
If they want revenue they cant make it this dark. Unless its a tv show
@@Blekkkkkkkkk Dude... Joker was dark... have you seen the taxi driver... its brutal and Jouaquin's You were never really here was deep,dark drama too... so its possible...
Deep Sharma him and Todd Phillips are thinking about a sequel, but they haven’t thought about Joker meeting Batman
"If it isn't a cop shoot it"
The moment when you realize that despite his good intentions Batman is technically a criminal.
Batman: kills the worst guy ever
Commissioner: “if it’s not a cop shoot it”
Random cop: “did she just tell us to kill innocent people to find vigilante for killing the worst person ever?”
The moment you realise that's what the justice system is in America (and why I'm glad I don't live there... Although I guess that's just how the media portray it... But it's all I got to go off)
@@king0vdarkness yeah trust the media in that situation
@@childishbambino2024 you believe what you like. We believe the media that provides evidence. And I have lived through that evidence and I have seen it for myself. Americans treat anyone who isn’t white like garbage. There are nice Americans but at this point it’s overwhelming how much hate we (non whites) get for being born in a different race. Thank you
@@pokey9438 oh I wasn’t being sarcastic my guy America’s police system is so bad
*Joker*: Kills a million people in the most brutal possible way.
People: "Everybody need a chance to be rehabilitated!
*Batman*: Snaps Joker's neck.
People: "HE MUST PAY FOR WHAT HE'S DONE HE'S GONE TOO FAR THIS TIME!"
Litterally what i always think of, dc infuriates me for this
@@maldino2917 The only reason The Joker isn't executed is because he is considered as insane and the law forbids sentencing insane people to the death sentence so the only thing they can do is put him in an insane asylum which he escapes from every time he is put in one
@@nasser3141 it's not about executing him as a punishment but as a protection for everyone else.
@@maldino2917 Exactly. If I lived in Gotham and heard that the Batman killed the Joker, I would be like good on you Batman! Now I won't have to live in fear of being blown up everyday. This whole thing of throwing the Joker in jail just for him to escape after a week and kill thousands of innocent people really sucks for us regular people.
@@Colgate243 yyyep
"Doesn't matter, I win. I made you lose control"
This sums up Jokers entire reasoning
Jokers main goal isn't to kill people, rob banks or cause mayhem, he's just doing it to get Batmans attention and to get Batman closer to that abyss little by little
Of course Joker enjoys all his crimes but that's not really the point
He started off somewhere, but when he saw the Batman's iron will, it became his obsession to break it...
i hate the fact batman never seems to have stab proof armour his cape is bullet proof but his shirt aint knife proof. wtf?
Joshua Ford too heavy, remember how old he is
kevlar would add maybe an extra 5 pounds. that's if his whole suit is made of it.
The Golden age pre crisis Batman of earth 2 actually got rid of his bullet proof vest because it restricted his acrobatics and movement. Maybe this Batman did the same.
Kevlar isn’t knife proof, that’s why cops have to be super careful in a close quarters fight
@@radioactiveman3381
Kevlar with steel plates is stab proof.
4:26 you know how much of a impact Joker made when even when he's dead, Batman can still hear him laughing at him.
@Superstar boi
Umm yea he's not actually hearing him laughing.
@@BeWaReJay
Oh, is that so? Could you tell me what I said that you didn't understand?
S K “Batman can still hear him laughing at him”
“Umm yea he’s not actually hearing him laughing”
@@BeWaReJay
Yea he's hearing Joker laugh but not literally.
S K Ok, thanks for clearing it up. Sometimes the English language really fucks up meanings and figurative shit up.
Batman: all the ppl I've murdered by letting you live
Jason Todd: It's about damn time
Edit: holy shit I didn't expect this many likes lol
I can just see Jason sitting in a lazy boy, hydrating facemask on, glass of wine, and in his bathrobe as he says that.
@@piscestheaquamarinedragon1088 Lets not forget the popcorn as he watches this on the big screen.
@@superboy8127 lol, some candy too. All laid back with the foot rest up
@@piscestheaquamarinedragon1088 can't forget that side of nachos
Lol
I'm really surprised that Batman spitting on Joker's corpse isn't talked about more, it gets me every time!
"All the people I've murdered by letting you live"
The most woke moment in Batman's life.
he's no more guilty then every cop in gotham
@Speedzone Speedforce Exactly. The stupid ideology only exists because of censorship, you can't show kids flawed heroes and that's why i loved the way Batman v Superman did things and of course animated movies like this one.
NO WONDER YOU'RE A LOSER WITHOUT A GIRLFRIEND. :)
@Speedzone Speedforce r/woooosh
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It never stops bugging me that Batman can be actively being stabbed by a homicidal armed lunatic and somehow be the bad guy.
They're both committing crime regardless and the cops barely know anything about Batman since he's so secretive so he's considered a criminal to them.
@@NeightrixPrime no. Being a vigilante would. It's illegal for a reason, mainly that people taking matters into their own hands isn't something to encourage because where does it end? Look at batman, he pretty much created these villains. That's how it works. Batman isn't a hero to idolize, but an unfortunate creation out of desperation.
Why? Vigilantes rarely are measured. Look at frank castle. Dude is psychotic. He's directed against criminals, but he's still sadistic and cruel. The comics go to great lengths to show that. We love him, but the dude needs therapy, like bruce.
@@NeightrixPrime well, the joker is farrrrr beyond any one person or even group has accomplished. If the joker were real, he would singlehandedly be the world's biggest terrorist and murderer. And most serial killers I wouldn't say deserve to get basically tortured, but yeah I see your point
Unfortunately fiction mimics reality. A man in Illinois stopped an armed man from slaughtering a bunch of people and the man who saved everyone ended up getting killed by police
"All the people I've murdered....by letting you live"... This just summerizes Batman and the joker. That no matter what Batman does, he will always lose, because he has morals.
@11I00OO1I0O1Il Punisher is a beast
“There's a point, far out there when the structures fail you, and the rules aren't weapons anymore, they're… shackles letting the bad guy get ahead."
- Jim Gordon, The Dark Knight Rises
innerFire I read this as it happened
@11I00OO1I0O1Il it's a stretch to say Batman doesnt care about others. Batman does have morals--you just don't agree with them. That's because he has values, that you don't and vice versa. Batman will protect as he can, but he isn't willing to sacrifice his virtue of integrity to do so. He doesn't want to become someone who has to kill to get what he wants--he wants to protect people, but he doesnt want to kill to do so. The Joker is always constantly trying to get Batman to make that sacrifice, to sacrifice his virtue and become like the Joker himself: to kill to get what he wants. And all Batman wants is to avoid that. There's already enough killing for pleasure and gain, as Bruce knows first hand from his parents deaths. Why must there be more?
You claim it's justice, but as Ghandi said "if we all took an eye for an eye, the world would be blind." All that matters to you are the consequences, all actions done to appease your own desires/values. In this way, you are no different from "egotistical" Batman in his quest to perserve his own values and virtues. All morals are egotistical in this way. You simply decide your values are inherently superior, then condemn batman's. This dogmatism would he something Joker would love to play off and take advantage of, as he usually does with many characters.
And also, you can't condemn Batman for not being willing to sacrifice his moral integrity for something else, when you have your own value you'd never sacrifice for. It's a basic axiom: everyone has one value thing theyd never sacrifice. Whether it's a principle, a virtue, a person, a material, or etc. Theres one singular thing more important to an individual than anything else. And that value is usually what all our morals encompass. So I'm willing to bet that you have a value, like batman, that if threatened, youd be willing to make a sacrifice to perserve it.
@11I00OO1I0O1Il "it is not a virtue to let people die." Never said it was. I said batman held a value of life, and that the value of life wasnt worth sacrificing for another thing. In this understanding, morality operates on a ranking of values--an heirarchy. If Batman values the concept of not taking life above consequentialism--meaning he takes a moral stance of deontology--then of course he will not kill, and will sacrifice one outcome to protect his value. This is an opportunistic cost. Sacrificing one thing, for something you value more. And he values the moral integrity of not taking life, so it comes first.
You cant say you dont have values you wont sacrifice. Everyone does. For example, I imagine you value life. But you'd be willing to sacrifice the value of life for the protection of something more important than it--say someone you love. You'd take a life to protect someone. In this case, you sacrifice the value of life in order to preserve the value that is your love one. In Batman's case, he'd probably let his loved one die in order to protect his moral integrity. In this way, besides the different between your values, how are you any different Batman or the Joker? From anyone?
People like you try to tell yourselves you are the better person because youd get the right results. But it's all purely relative and subjective. The results you'd want are different from someone else. You can't condemn batman in an objective manner, and when you try to, all youre saying is that your values are superior--which is just your opinion. Values are all subjective. And youd be willing to sacrifice a less important value for one you think is more important. That is ethics. It's just an expression of desire and emotions--there is no true moral proposition that can be true or false. It's all in your head.
And what's in your head can change over time. Batman's values changed, so he was willing to sacrifice for a more important value.
I really like the chilling detail that the Jokers smile actually seems to grow between 2:34 and 2:51
Wow never noticed
That a awesome detail
How and why so? Please reply to me!
@@TheFunnyDictator how? You can literally see it lmao.
@@betabugxyz6274 Yeah, but why did it happen?
I love the fact that Batman can’t shoot a gun lmfao
You want him to aim like a professional shootist when he’s losing too much blood?
He’s lost a lot of blood going insane and is hallucinating the joker laughing while covering from gun fire from a few machine guns it would be quite hard
Doesn't he not use guns?
@@gnuresk4057 no that’s his only moral code
@@gnuresk4057 Depends on the writer. Some batman learned how to shoot after all you're dealing with guns on a daily basis you need to understand how these weapons work first hand.
I like how those two people were okay with Joker, a mass murderer, running around with a gun but when Batman breaks his neck while he is getting brutally stabbed they run away from Batman. Honestly, it makes no sense.
Never made sense either. I guess before doing justice like this you have to be a police officer or in the military or else people will think your crazy.
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I think they were coming from a different entryway of the tunnel and hadn't noticed the hell coming from the other side until they got close.
This was made on purpose. "Batman: The Dark Knight Returns" is a explicit critic of the society built by the Social Justice Warrior. They accept Joker, a mass murder clown only because he is insane, but not Batman a man that protect innocent people.
Francesco Panattoni I think it was done purposefully too. The screaming signifying that Batman has gone too far and done and almost murdered the joker.
@@thatdoylekid4292 I really dislike how everyone is just like chilled with the Joker after he regains his sanity
That moment when you realize that the joker died doing the one thing he loved most
Laughing.
I've seen 3 of his deaths this and 2 others and he has laughed while dieing and honestly it makes me laugh
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Wtf
And fighting batman.
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"it's finally here isn't it, the moment we've both dreamed about"
Chills down my spine dude legit chills
I love the dark knight returns part 1 and 2 films so much, they're freaking masterpieces man
“If it isn’t a cop, shoot it!”
The most American thing she could’ve said
Lol
How true.
If it isn't blm, shoot it
@@renon1946 what?
@@dd-vl6mf if it ain't acab, shoot it
I hate the scene of the couple being scared. WHAT WAS HE SUPPOSED TO DO?! GET STABBED TO DEATH?!
Yes
Duh
It's probably more horror that Batman of all people killed, rather than being horrified at the death itself
Yo!!!! That is not even the worst part, before they run up into that tunnel joker is killing everyone he sees. I mean everyone the guy selling candies even he gets shot, and I mean everyone and brutally and that bitch gets freaked out because of that!!!!
Amit J you expect Joker to kill. You expect Batman to spare him. The unexpected scares people. End of story.
Ok, hear me out... imagine this scene, live action... directed in that gritty Coen Brothers' fashion. Same style of lighting, costume, and coloring. Josh Brolin as the Dark Knight. Willem Dafoe as the Joker. Just... throwing it out there. I want it to be real.... so fucking bad.
I don’t know who you need to talk to but you need to get on that casting team.
nah,
Willem Dafoe definitely, but I think Gerard Butler would also make an equally excellent old Batman
@@alnocturna1867 I suggested Brolin cause he really does look remarkably like older Bruce Wayne. But after hearing your suggestion, I second the Gerard Butler choice
Dafoe as Joker is the best idea ever.
"dont fall asleep before we've finished" is such a hilarious line. the tunnel of love and everything and joker has to continue to comment on the romance of their relationship. so good