Great video and thank you for your brutal honesty. Its refreshing to hear someone praise the 2.5 Turbo engine and not just talk about the engine noise.
A few years later....Boxster 4.0L owner here. His torque complaint is solved with the PDK. The manual is geared too high for the street, and the PDK solves this.
I have to say, no! The 4.0 definitely fits to the 718, no rattle and banging of the 2.5 and absolutely linear at the accelerator, doesn’t matter which gear or speed. Got mine, one of the first customer cars, with manual gearbox, in June and did more than 5k on mountain passes and twisty roads, absolutely brilliant. I owned a 981S with PDK before, which was louder, but the 718 is definitely is more precise to drive, both cars with PTV and PASM. I drove the 9924S, bevor I ordered the 718 GTS 4.0, what made the decision absolutely clear to me, the 911 got to big, heavy and silent for my thoughts, of a drivers car. The 718 GTS 4.0 with manual gearbox is a drivers car and can be used as a daily driver, even during the winter, with proper winter wheels. The GTS is not a GT car and and that’s the difference to the GT4 / Spyder. Maybe your press-car had the optional softer -10mm PASM, instead of the standard -20mm, and the engine mounts are adaptive, what you can feel with Sport or Sport+ mode, instead of standard mode. And about the red callipers with the python green, no, there are better combinations, black painted callipers or a GT silver painted car, with the red callipers, like mine. @Janko Lind go ahead!
Hello Thomas, what made you want to upgrade? I have 981S as well. Love it. But a small part of me wish it had a little more power. I am not sure if getting a GTS would be worth the jump. At this point I would have to pay nearly $60k more for a overall ‘similar’ car. Look forward to your thoughts. Thanks in advance.
@@jhan4915 My 981S was one of the first cars, from 2012, very well equipped and only 45k km on it, at the end, that’s because the first owner did only 10k in nearly 5 years. Compared to that car, the 718 GTS 4.0 is a other level, way more precise to drive and the engine has a lot more power, doesn’t matter what gear and speed. Despite of those main reasons, I have a better seating position with the adaptive Sport Plus seats, instead of the ventilated standard seats. Besides of that you get a refined infotainment with digital Radio and Apple CarPlay, especially the first I’ll get necessary, during the next years, when they switch off the regular radio stations. That’s why 😃
@@matthewlocker4961 Yes I did, there is enough Power and Torque, but I don’t like the sound, especially not this banging while downshifting,. The 2.5 is permanently loud, but it’s not a nice sound, what I think is necessary, driving with open roof.
@@tomoldigs1353 Tom: Thanks for the update and it's good to hear. To many people beat up the 2.0/2.5T's without any experience with the car. You have so that's all that can be asked. If you aren't familiar with the Soundaktor, this I believe is a huge part of the reason so many people don't like the sound of this car. Porsche, in their infinite wisdom, decided to pipe fake engine sound into the car. All it does is ruins the cabin ambience, causing drones & other horrible side effects. Most people I know who have the T4 have made the removal of the Soundaktor fuse their first change to their car. For me it was & the fuse is never going back in. MOO & FWIW
I totaly agree with you, the 2.5 GTS is more suitable fiitted to 718 chassis and a perfect combination for daily driving. For me it was an easy decision for daily use
Sorry Janko but with respect I don't agree re your point about the 4.0l not suiting the chassis of the 718. The 2.5l puts way more stress on the chassis than the 4.0l! You only need to look at the power delivery! You haven't really covered the lag issue either. Next up suspension.vs your Spyder, I guess in Sweden you have smooth roads, but when things get a bit less smooth for example here in the UK, I imagine you may appreciate the softness of the GTS, it's probably a better road car here. For me I sensed a bit of a chip on your shoulder this car should of course be compared with the Spyder, it's the road orientated version and probably the comparison most buyers will do in their head before signing on the bottom line. Ps nothing wrong with red calipers but they look much better when you spec Guards Red 👍
Completely agree. I think Janko's opinion is very respectable but very subjective, and surprisingly does not coincide with the general opinion expressed in the many, many reviews about this car that I have read and seen. I have a Boxster GTS 4.0 with PSAM -10mm since July 2020 and it has been 11,000 km so far on all kinds of roads for pure driving pleasure
Dear Test Drive Scotland, thank you very much for contributing to our community. In regards to UK VS Swedish roads, I can not make any comparison. Have not done much driving in the UK. I've driven the 718 a lot and I stand by my word, the 4.0-liter engine does not fit the chassis as well as the 4-cyl engines dose. Please let me remind everybody that I know all about the 4.0 GTS long before I ordered my Spyder.
@@JankoLind thanks for responding, I don't doubt that it is your opinion, I just don't understand it. I'm a 981 owner with the gentler but intoxicating 3.4, I've had a lot of wheel time in the 718, I prefer the 2.0l it's a really nice road car especially in manual form so we agree on that. The 2.5S, not so much, whilst it had great performance I felt it was laggy and not quite so smooth, with some spikes so it surprises me to hear that you think it's better suited than the smooth na 4.0l. I guess Porsche felt the same hence the switch. I don't want to get into the sound, the 2.0l I can handle but no one wants to hear that 2.5l sound when enjoying the car with the top down it's almost offensive 😂. What's your stance on these points? I don't think having the same engine in the GTS dilutes the Spyder, it's still very special with the aero and great that they gave it the same treatment as the GT4 this time around. I'll be getting some more wheel time in the 718 GT4 in the new year but here in Scotland we need a lot of suspension compliance for some of our best driving roads.
Janko, your comment that said, “the Boxster playground is much larger” makes total sense. I’m currently number 2 on the allocation list here in Pa. For a GTS 4.0 manual and I’m trading in my 992 due to size. A 911 was on my bucket list but it’s the wrong one, maybe a 991 size is better. Thanks for your passion on these fine vehicles.
Yes, the sound of the 4-cyl displacement is a marathon. It's a different tone, some like some don't. I like the 4-cyl displacement because it reminds me of the Porsche history in regards to sportscars.
@@JankoLind I understand your comment of engine history with Porsche. Very few other engines sound as good as a 6cyl NA Porsche engine nearing the top of its rev range in my opinion. It’s very distinctive and unlike any other 6cyl. It’s a shame that turbo charging has been made necessary to hep combat emissions at the detriment of characterful noise. This is why I purchased a late low mileage 991.1. I also have a Cayenne Diesel S so I also know the advantages of torque in everyday driving. We are lucky to have the choice, different solutions and no right or wrong. Happy Christmas, happy driving.
@David White, You write something that is very important, there is no right or wrong. We all love Porsche but we could have (and that's the beauty of it) different opinions.
We already knew Janko's very negative opinion of the GTS 4.0 that he revealed in a video many months ago when Porsche announced the release of this model, and without even having tested the car. And I sincerely think that this negative thought may be influenced by the fact that, undoubtedly, this decision subtracted a bit of exclusivity from the Spyder carrying that fabulous 4.0 naturally aspirated engine (exactly the same one that the GTS 4.0 now carry with the only software difference for subtract 20 cv). And in my humble opinion, this thought has totally conditioned the test of this car, lacking the usual emotion that Janko has us used to in her videos. I think that it is not possible that a flat-6 naturally aspirated engine was a fantastic engine for Boxster for 20 years, between 1996 and 2016, and now it stops being so and we discover that the ideal engine for a Boxster is a flat-4 turbo, when We all know that it was a tough decision for Porsche imposed by European emissions regulations, and not based on their own emotional convictions. I don't buy the argument.
BIG thanks for your contribution to our community José. You are right, from an emotional perspective I do not appreciate a flat-6 in a Boxster or a Cayman, for that matter. It creates the "I could not afford a 911 syndrome" instead of being a stand-alone beautiful mid-engined sportscar connecting to the Porsche History as the flat 4 equipped cars dose. I believe I made this clear in my first videos when I reviewed the 718 Cayman years ago. th-cam.com/video/geDrlnDXmtk/w-d-xo.html You are also right that Porsche was forced to downsize due to European emissions regulations, but from my pair of eyes, it was a jackpot. Never the less I understand that the majority of the market does not agree with my thoughts, and do not appreciate the flat 4 as I dose. This inspired me to go from talking to action when I bout the Porsche 718 Cayman T. th-cam.com/play/PLlDDzjSsJx0St-GUrGKqqgyvEWIh4o1lF.html Regardless of what you think/write the 4.0 does not suit the chassis. I've driven to many Porsches and this is all about making money rather than designing the perfect mid-engine sportscar. You could of course upgrade the chassis and wheels. Something that I recommend if you purchased the 4.0 already. IMPORTANT the GTS 4.0 did not subtract the exclusivity from the Spyder, the Boxster GTS 4.0 and the Spyder are two totally different cars, and as I said in the video could not be compared. Please let me remind everybody that I know all about the 4.0 GTS long before I ordered my Spyder. th-cam.com/video/UrIeWKlO1sQ/w-d-xo.html What I do cross my fingers and hope for is a 992 Carrera T with the 4.0 Naturally aspirated engine from the Spyder/GT4 fitted. That ladies and gentlemen could be one of the best Porsche cars ever. Remember that a 992 Carrera S manual has a Kurb weight of 1480 kg, which's 10 kg lighter than a 997 Carrera and with a chassis to handle a more stressful engine. I hope this clarifies the situation, and perhaps, you could understand the argument? I do respect and understand that we have a different opinion on this matter. We don't have to agree and I hope to meet you one day for a coffee and car talk, that would be amazing. As I've said many times, there is a Porsche for everybody. Please take care and thank you for watching my channel and contributing to our community.
I have tested many 911's. I always thought I would buy one, but I never found one I could connect with, up to and including the Turbo S (I never considered a GT3 because I wanted a convertible). I bought a Boxster because it makes the 911 seem like a boat in comparison. If anyone wants to think it's because I can't afford a 911, then they haven't driven a 718. And who cares anyway? Besides, the Boxster/Cayman was always a flat 6 before the 718, so the 4.0 connects better with the history of this model than the 4 cylinder does. Also, you are the first person who has ever claimed that the 4 cyl handles better than the GTS. This has not been my experience at all. In fact, every other reviewer besides you prefers the 4.0 to the 4 cylinder. Many are calling it the perfect sports car on the market, at any price. And a 992 Carrera T with the 4.0 NA engine will not appeal to me, as I will always go for mid-engine over rear engine.
Thank you Janko, great video , as a Spyder owner I totally agree that you can not compare GTS with Spyder . Price difference is not dramatic but experience is dramatically different. Porsche GT product is so different, so emotional it’s hard to explain. You got it so correct. GTS is a great car and if you can not get allocation for Spyder it’s a good substitute, but if you you can get Spyder , please get it !!!! Thank you !
@@tennismaroc They are absolutely delusional. There is a slight difference in the feel from suspension - it's more adjustable, firm and more responsive, but the difference is negligible and mainly in their head (and tires as they impact the feel quite a bit). The drivetrain obviously feels the same because it is the same and the GTS 4.0 will be faster in a straight every time because of lower weight and less downforce. Stock-to-stock GTS 4.0 is 95% of the same car, but in a more liveable package and better comfort options available (entry&drive, front sensors, adaptable cruise, etc. etc). If you put 295's on the rear (which you can do on stock rims), you're hard pushed to feel any difference on public roads.
Thanks for the honest review Janko. So refreshing to hear from a auto channel but nothing new for you- that's what brings me back! Thanks again and Happy New Year!
Great review Janko, thx a lot! I recently bought a 718 T to have some fun on the weekends. I´m in line with your opinion regarding the 4 cylinder engine, it is such a great engine and car to drive! My daily is a BMW M5 Competition (8 cylinders @ 625 horsepower). We will keep the 718 T as part of our fleet for a very long time! Cheers, Mike
Mike, congratulations on your 718 T it is a fantastic car. Perhaps you have seen my playlist about my old 718T? th-cam.com/play/PLlDDzjSsJx0St-GUrGKqqgyvEWIh4o1lF.html
"The playground for the Boxster is much larger." Boy, that summed up the tie breaker for me, and of course, $$$. I had the first 991.2 in California for awhile and loved it but felt I could never get the most out of it given my location and everything else going on in my life. Fast forward to '23 and I test drove the Boxster on the same 1 mile canyon road near the dealer and it was a blast and that is what sold me. I get mine in May and can't wait.
Thanks Janko for another entertaining video. However, I differ from you on a number of points. I have spent a lot of seat time in the 4 cyl 718's. Very quick, but I never cared for the sound (like a lawnmower) or the on/off nature of the turbo. I mooned after the Spyder, but could never have one for a daily driver for the reasons mentioned in the video. When the 4.0 liter version of the Boxster GTS was announced, I grabbed the first allocation at my dealer. I have had the car for 2 weeks now, and have loved every second of it. The engine gives up some torque down low, but makes up for it with the absence of turbo lag, the way the throttle can be so easily finessed, the tuneful exotic sound, and the screaming high RPM performance. As far as handling, it has a completely addictive dialed in go kart feeling, exactly what I was looking for and in no way less rewarding in the corners than the 4 cyl in my opinion. This is not to deny the appeal of the 4 cylinder cars, which are fantastic in their own right and offer a different set of virtues.
Hi , As I've said many times, there is a Porsche for everybody. In this case, we do not share the same opinion and as you know I've driven the 718 4 cyl a lot. I know that I'm quite alone liking the sound. From where I'm standing, perhaps a Base 992 would have been the best selection for you, but then again you will missout on the mid-engine characteristics. Perhaps, regardless of our deviation opinion, you have honored me with your subscription.
@@JankoLind Yes subscribed, I do enjoy your videos and yes we are lucky that Porsche makes so many variants to suit different types of enthusiasts. As I mentioned in another response, I have never been a 911 fan, to me it feels like a cruiser compared to the Boxster (which is considered by many to be the only true sports car in the lineup, an opinion that I share).
One of the benefits of the "base" 718 Boxster is that you don't get red calipers and that you get the less powerful 2 litre engine, which just means you can enjoy a larger portion of the cars performance on public roads. Some times I even miss my old Mazda MX-5 ND 1.5's ability to enjoy ALL of the performance without even fracturing the speedlimits 😁 In essence, driving a slow car fast is more fun than driving a fast car slowly.
A loud minority complained about sounds and cylinders without even driving a 2017+ 4cyl 718, which is an absolute joy to drive. I agree on the mismatch in engine and chassis. Boxster S for the win. Feels more like a 911 than my 992 honestly.
Hi, will, and thank you for contributing to our community. You write something very important. Within the Porsche community, there is a lot of people that have opinions about cars wish they have never driven. They might have a Porsche parked in the garage but it does not help in most of the cases.
Love the video - just had Spyder delivered before Xmas and I totally agree with your comments and so glad I went with the Spyder. The GTS 4.0 is a great car but more daily vs ‘special’. Car is in ‘Janko’ spec and is spectacular! Stay safe and thanks for all your videos in 2020!
Thank you, David, for watching my videos in 2020. Congratulations to your Spyder, you will have a blast driving it. Perhaps you have honored me with your subscription?
Janko = awesome! You're video reviews are based in reality & just really appreciate your honest opinions on these cars. Very funny when you explained why you DON'T do a comparison between GTS & Spyder.
I enjoy your videos, and whilst you have some valid points, I don’t agree with many of the opinions in this video. Drive on a track...for sure the GT4. Poser factor....GT4. Drive on the road and a GTS 4.0 is a better option than a GT4. And it’s £10k cheaper. Not everyone wants a front splitter so low to the ground, a single driving mode or a wing on the back ‘for the road’. You don’t chase lap times on the road, and the GT4 is not quite as easy to live with. I think what I am trying to say is that it depends on the purpose of the car, which is better for the individual buying it. The GTS 4.0 is for those who prefer to fly under the radar, compared to a GT4 or Spyder but who also appreciate the engine.....and the art of driving......on the road 😊 Harry understands what the GTS 4.0 is all about, and just about every other reviewer. I do appreciate you are coming at this from a different perspective though, and it’s always good to see a different viewpoint. Merry Christmas.
Hi Stephen, Just to make sure you understood me, I do not compare the Boxster 4.0 GTS with the Spyder, the previous 718 Boxster GTS 2.5 is a much better comparison.
@@JankoLind Fair point, but the fact many reviewers suggest it’s 95% or so of a GT4 for less money requires the comparison, in my opinion. Your points at the beginning explained why you were not comparing it with a Spyder, but if driving on the road which is better. Would you recommend a GTS 4.0 or Spyder ? Do we need a larger rear diffuser, big wing, larger brakes and wider rear tyres to push and stop 400hp on the road ? We know the best choice for the track, so I guess the GTS 4.0 must be the better choice for the road ?
Stephen totally agree with you. I Think if you compare it with the 2.5 GTS maybe 90% will go for the 4.0 GTS. Just because of that sound and that Engine like in the Spyder. I Think ist suits the 718 GTS much more than the 2.5
I agree too. I'm not sure where Janko is coming from here at all tbh. The monocoque is exactly the same on both Spyder and Boxster, only the suspension components, brakes and aero are different. And 90% of people wont tell the difference, unless really pushing on or on track. The GTS 4.0 is the better road car because of the extra comfort and roof convenience while still offering the stunning performance of the same engine (again electronically detuned by an almost undetectable few HP and 200rpm). I purchased the Spyder because I am a true enthusiast, that's who the model is designed for. However, once I drove the Boxster GTS 4.0 for a couple of days, I sold my Spyder and swapped to the GTS. All the fun, without the harshness and hassle of the roof. Of course, each to their own.
@@RobGalvin65 I would not recommend the 4.0 GTS, the base 718 is much better value for money. I'm sorry but the 4.0 GTS is not something I recommend unless you absolutely need a mid-engine NA flat 6 car. Doesn't matter if it is only for road use and if that is the case go for a Boxster T and you will get the important PTW as standard. MUCH better choice.
Love the green paint with the red calipers... said the guy looking for elf space and a reindeer adapter for his next sled, er, auto. Thanks for another great video!
Great review comparing the previous 2.5L Turbo to this new 4.0L NA 718 GTS. However, one important topic not discussed (by this or most other comparison videos) is the noticable presence of turbo lag with a 2.5L car. After having driven both versions of GTS cars, I noticed that the 2.5L definitely has turbo lag which can only be avoided if kept in Sport+ mode. The issue is probably related to only having a single turbo (whereas the 991.2 and 992 use twin turbos but which are still not identical to a true 991 or 992 Turbo with its twin VTG turbochargers). As a result of my two GTS test drives, I decided on the 2023 718 GTS 4.0 (to avoid the turbo lag issue) and am thoroughly happy with this decision!
In this case I can not agree, the tubo lag is close to non. I belive I've talked a bit about this in some videos and for me the PDK lag is more important to discuss. Any way, thanks for watching and the comment.
@@JankoLind Thanks for your comments. Sounds like we are essentially in agreement regarding the 2.5L version exhibiting some turbo lag (not zero but "close to non"). Curious as to what you meant by PDK lag? After having owned several Porsches, manuals and PDKs, the later shifts in 0.05 seconds (50 milliseconds) which is quite a bit faster than a human can manage. Maybe you are referring to response time from varying throttle input (instead of using paddles) to the PDK executing a shift?
Thanks for the reference to your "992 PDK versus Manual " video. I pulled up and viewed the video which does discuss this idea of "PDK lag". However, we can probably agree this is actually more a mental perception than physical characteristic of Porsche cars. On the one hand, I would agree that a manual gearbox offers very direct driver engagement. Although, I have found my PDK equiped Porsches also offer similar control of the gearbox by simply selecting manual mode and then shifting up/down as desired. The only real difference between gearboxes is whether a foot pedal or ECU interacts with a clutch plate. Typically, as you mention, a PDK provides quicker acceleration and higher torque (both of which are useful in track day situations). Anyway, always fun to compare notes and experiences related to these awesome machines!
Glad you’re back, it’s been too long. Really like the fact you’re not simply praising the 4.0 like everyone else but instead speak of a bit of a mismatch, which kind of makes sense. I myself would not consider a 718 to be a daily driver, but maybe I’m wrong. I’d go for the Spyder instead because of this. Finally: definitely no red brake calipers on a green car... just as on the spyder. Best of luck, until the next one!
@@JankoLind I indeed wasn’t very clear. I meant to me a 718 isn’t a car I see myself using as a daily in general, I see it more as a second or third car. But maybe I’m wrong and it can be used as a daily. Right now I have an old school 964 but I’ve been very much on the edge of buying a 718 Spyder or ideally a gt3 touring. That last one was/is a different price point though...
Thank you; your opinion about the 2.5 being very well suited to a not so track focused chassis (gts vs spyder) made me test the 2.5L gts today. Bought it. Indeed I trade my 997 4s for a 2.5 gts. Thank you Janko.
Congratulations to a spectacular car. the 718 must feel extremely light in comparison to your privies 997. Do you know that the 992 Carrera S Manuel is 10 kg lighter than the 997 Carrera. Perhaps you have honoured me with your subscription?
@@JankoLind indeed I am a subscriber now. The 997 4s is a great car as are all S + Porsche’s. But 15 years of development exist and the automotive industry is (as few others) a very high spec industry, very innovative and very based on I&D. We all notice that as end users, don’t we? The 2.5l is much faster, corners much easily and provide great feedback. Not yet ready to evaluate in deep but the feeling is actually of great happiness. Traded an 911 for a 718 might sound crazy and is but is a great move as this car is phenomenal. Ppl talk about the sound but strangely doesn’t critise the 911 turbo or turbo s sound. The 718 2.5 is really a great car and people should indeed test it before following the herd.
I had 5 Porsche 911 since 2005 and 4 Boxster , i have sold my 718 S 2017 PDK and wait for a 2021 718 GTS 4.0 Manual ( i have change my Spyder order for the GTS 4.0 ) to approach the feeling of the older version and be more suitable for the bad Québec/Canada Road and have fun at the ED track days ! The only 911 i will consider is a GT3 but for the day to day and few track days the 718 GTS 4.0 is my best Bet !
As I've said many times, there is a Porsche for everybody. Out of curiosity, why did you not order a base 992? it's a blast to drive: th-cam.com/video/fd1UjTMrbcc/w-d-xo.html Thank you all for contributing to our community. It makes me happy when I see other people answering comments. BIG thanks to you all.
@@JankoLindHi Janko, i like to have a cabriolet in my garage and want to return to manual, the base 992 is very quick, more spacious but you cannot have the manual option. If i continue to make more Track days with my son, i will go for a GT3 ( manual also , more engaging ). i agree with you, there is a Porsche for every one, every one got is plus and minus, very hard to just have one ! that is the reason a change the model basicly each year. Continue your great work. very pleasant to watch. A porsche friend from Canada
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. The 718 Boxster T loaner I was given whilst my GT4 was last in for a regular service did not leave me with a great impression. It was fast off the line, but lacked a distinctive character otherwise. The torque of the turbo-4 makes it easier to drive around town, or on back roads but it lacks the panache that a naturally aspirated engine provides. Porsche's sports cars are supposed to prioritize engagement, even if it comes at the expense of simplicity. But I digress...The 718's chassis is simply brilliant, regardless of what engine is used. It pleases me that prospective owners have the chance to choose between the 4 and 6 cylinder models.
Hi Stephen, and a big thanks for your comment and contribution to our community. For the record, comparing the GT4 with a non GT car such as the Boxster T or the 4.0 GTS is hard, apples and pears. But if you compare the Boxster T with the Boxster 4.0 GTS wish shares the same chassis that's another opportunity. If you are not already, please subscribe to my channel.
Being only half Swedish, I would only be able to have the GTS 4.0L, in GT Silver with Bordeaux leather, so the red brakes are approved, and the more practical-on-paper models are not approved. Being only half English, I come from an ancient tradition where we know brakes only slow you down, so one never needs yellow ones; or indeed smaller engines that make less noise. My old Boxster S 3.4L sounded fantastic revved out, but missed the lower down roar the new GTS has. Gonna get one. Had I been paying attention I would have got a Spyder, but I would have moaned a lot about the lack of Bordeaux leather available.
@@JankoLind yes true, but the Spyder limits how much leather you can have....and I am based in Dubai, so I don't think the single skin roof can deal with the summer sun/heat - kind of opposite of the challenge you have in Sverige with the cold winters. I have subscribed - I promise! I will go for manual over PDK this time around too. Great channel, keep up the great work
Merry Christmas Janko! I totally agree with you, I had a test drive of a 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 just yesterday (same pyton green by the way) and compared to my 718 Spyder the difference is night and day. From my perspective and considering what I expect from a Porsche, the Spyder eclipses the GTS in every department, especially when it comes to chassis, torque, power delivery and even sound. By the way, thank you so much for your advice on the Cargraphic valve control. I had it installed a couple of months ago and it really transformed the driving experience. Now the car feels louder and alive throughout the entire rpm range, with a discernible power gain at low rpm. Keep up the good job!
Thanks for your energy. I believe you should start (as you did) with the Cargraphic valve control. For most users, I believe that the only thing you need.
@@sj2345 I am not biased, I just know what I am talking about. Have you ever driven a 718 Spyder? If you drive Gts and Spyder and cannot tell the difference of chassis, torque at low rpm (that could be amplified by the Cargraphic switch in my case), power delivery, sound (yes! even without Cargraphic switch), steering wheel, gearbox, driving feel, in short: everything, then I am sorry but you are probably not very familiar with cars. I recommend you spend more driving time ;-)
@@kamakura5036 :) Man, don’t embarrass yourself please. The only few differences between gt and gts are suspension (including wheels and brakes), aero, shorter shifter, higher redline and some cosmetics in the interior. Its all in your head ;)
Hi Janko. I have to agree with your comments about the GTS 4.0 vs the Spyder. My other comment is the manual shifter in the GTS was a bit longer and not as enjoyable to shift than the Spyder.
Hi Janko, thanks for your thoughts on the GTS 4.0. It is hard to find any comparison reviews between the 2.5 GTS and the 4.0 GTS. I always assumed that Porsche had no interest in such a comparison as the „old“ 2.5 GTS is the better package, which you confirmed in your review.
"I saw that if you had enough power in a small car, it is nicer to drive than if you have a big car which is also overpowered. And it is more fun." - Ferry Porsche on the development of the 356. The prototype for the 356 ("Porsche No. 1") was actually a 2 seat roadster with a mid-mounted flat-4 producing 40hp but only weighing 1,290lbs. The later versions only had the engine moved behind the rear axle to reduce costs and add two seats.
It's about time, BUT I complain about that the engine dose not match the chassi. Put the 2.5 liter engine back and you are good to go ore change the chassi in the 4.0.
I don't care for the red calipers with this color. I ordered my python green with black calipers. When the car arrived, I see that the black looks much better. By the way, your review sold me on this color and the carbon fiber stick shift. Very pleased.
Sometimes I agree with you, and sometimes I disagree. But I always appreciate that you present original thoughts and opinions, which is so different from most TH-cam channels. Also, the car should have come with the red top option to complete the Christmas motif!
Lol 😂 Christmas motif best this month. It’s the main thought with my channel, to make sure there is nothing right or wrong when it comes to Porsche just different opinions. If you are not already please consider subscribing.
I keep seeing mention of a “nervous chassis” in the GTS 4.0. Can anyone explain what a nervous chassis is? Sounds like BS to me. I’m pretty sure we are not talking about a 70 year old MG TC.
As I said in the review it is still a Porsche with great drivability. Nevertheless, What happens is that when you give throttle or let go, the chassis does not compensate but instead gives you a more nervous car to handle. please have a look at time index 12:39 where I need to compensate with steering getting out of a corner hardly never happens in any other Porsche models. Perhaps harder engine mounts could be a solution. I would recommend you look into upgrade your chassis (presuming you have a 4.0 GTS). I hope this explains "nervous chassis" for you.
@@JankoLind Well I re-watched the video and could not really tell what it was you were doing. With the camera on you I could not tell if you were in a curve or not and the video did not look continuous. Between looking at the book and narrating it appeared to me that you were "driving distracted" Did you experience understeer, oversteer, going off course and had to correct? Were you in sport mode or sport +? Anyhow, I do not have a GTS 4.0 yet but will have one in March. I am really looking forward to the Porsche experience. Thanks for taking the time to do your reviews.
I actually think the Boxter GTS 4.0 is the better car for the B road. Its lighter than the Spyder, better road clearence and the thinner rear tyres mean you can feel the car move around making it more enjoyable, where as the spyder is too focussed.
Well it is nice to see a contrary opinion - good for discussion. I don't think the highly optioned S or GTS turbo 4's sold very well in and around $100k. They've fixed that and brought more balance to the 718 lineup IMO. There is something for everyone, and the GTS models in Canada are way harder to get (even an allocation) than the GT4's which are plentiful on dealer lots (for now). So ya, price matters and Janko didn't really touch on that. Option out a Cayman S with the GTS level of trim and performance, and you'll see quickly why the GTS has become instantly popular. I don't understand the chassis comments. I have not heard that opinion on any other review (and there are many). Reviews where people compare the GT models to the GTS, without big gaps of time between driving each model. See Harry's Garage, Carfection, Auto Express, Piston Heads, Roger Bailey etc...... Also the Cayman S isn't really much slower than the 4.0, and is punchier low down so I don't really understand the comments that it is a mismatch. It isn't a GT car, but that holds appeal to many.
Thank you Dude, yes my opinion is not the populistic/selling/politically correct one you will find in above mention car reviewer. GTS models are increasing in popularity in Europe as you experience in Canada, it is as you write a value-added option pack. I did not talk about buying the car because it would not suit my review. It is not a perfect marriage as I made clear. I think the 2.5-liter engine suits the Boxster much better and a price discussion would just make the 4.0 even less attractive for me. A high revving engine is more to control for the chassis. You feel that when you drive the 4.0, with the 2.5-liter engine you give the chassis time to aline. As I've always said, there is a Porsche for everybody and I try to present my thought based on my pros and cons, this religion does not suit everybody. Finally, I would like to thank you for contributing to our community, we do not have to share the same opinion but I believe we would have an interesting conversation and learn from each other.
I enjoyed your review of the GTS and totally agree that it does not compare to the Spyder. The Spyder is a special occasion car that you want to drive as often as you can. I have got fed up with some Spyder owners who moan that it has a manual roof. The Spyder manual roof is easy to operate so I can only conclude those people should have bought the GTS. But which GTS? You do make an interesting argument about the 2.5 being better balanced. The GTS is very nice and certainly very suitable as a daily driver. Finally. The red brake callipers look awful against the green bodywork.
@Janko Lind you’re making me miss my ex. I traded in a 718 GTS 2.5L Manual for a 991.2 GTS w/ PDK. And although I still love the 911 for its sheer power and stiffer chassis, the 718 was more fun to drive as a daily. I need to give my 911 30% more input to make it as much fun. There’s an idea: why don’t you do a comparison video 991.2 GTS vs 718 2.5L GTS? Keep up the good work my friend. I still feel as though you should have surpassed 100K subscribers by now. Not sure what’s going on with YT’s algo.
HI Janko, Still watching your entertaining videos here in Malaysia. It's been over a year since our lunch in Stockholm. Covid time flies. Best Wishes for 2021.
Really respect the opinion and review in this one! Love the Boxster as we own a 2006, 6spd, S model. I wonder if equipping the PDK makes a difference in blending the chassis and motor together better. This all being said, my money is on the 2.5L turbo GTS or S models. I have seen high spec used 2.5L GTS Cayman and Boxster go for low 60's here in California. This is a much better value in my mind.
@@drewmorg. 100% agree with you and more Porsche DNA in the 2.5 GTS since Porsche has a huge history with mid-engine sportscar with 4-cyl displacement. Thanks for watching and subscribing.
That wasn’t really a well flowing review imo. You gave me the impression that you were somehow distracted and not focused, whatsoever.... usually you do much better but maybe it’s just me this time. To the car: Spyder as a 3rd car, for Saturday morning blasts and occasional track use, GTS for weekend use and longer road trips.... I have driven the Spyder, own the GTS4.0 and have to say that the Turbo4 didn’t appeal to me due to sound impressions but also throttle response and this “smaller engine capacity feel”, independent of any chassis mismatch opinions (which I btw don’t share). Thanks for having and articulating a fresh opinion and different view, much appreciated. Don’t take so much time again to come up with your next video and recharge over Christmas. God Jul och gott nytt år!👋
Sorry to hear that you did not like my quality this time, sorry. I know that not all people appreciate the sound of the 4-cyl displacement as I do. In regards to throttle response, we do have a different opinion. Never the less thank you for watching and your subscription.
@@JankoLind Sound of the engine is worse when starting up and cold. Sounds is it will fall apart. Red callipers for a green exterior? Black suits better. However, an additional cost of 8.600 Swedish kronor. Interesting view this 2.5-litre turbo versus 4-litre nat. asp. 6-cylinders. Your advice makes a pre-owned 2.5 a bargain purchase.
I'm conflicted because I don't think the red calipers look good on green, but I do think having red calipers is great because it reminds you that you have high quality brakes (even though they are steel), maybe there should be optional colors for the steel brakes as an option.
The torque curve of the 4.0 requires keeping the revs over 5,000 RPM to get the best out of the engine and with the long gearing in the manual you'll be traveling at some very high speeds. So the problem with the 4.0 is that it will be driven very fast. Who on earth would want a sports car that goes very fast?
Everybody would like to have a fast sports car. But I don't agree with your comment. There is absolutely no problem with the gearing, you need to drive it differently, please have a look at my GT4 review for more information. Also, my point exactly, you need to rev the car 5000 rpm + which the chassis can not handle.
@@JankoLind Yes. You do have to drive it differently which means driving miles of B roads in second and third gear. As for your statement that the chassis can't handle going over 5,000 rpm? That's ridiculous. Every commentator mentions that the gears are too long and no one says anything about the chassis apart from the fact it's among the best available from any manufacturer. I respect your opinion but you're an outlier and I disagree.
@@sanderabernathy6276 as I always say, there is a Porsche for everybody, for me the 2.5 litre displacement fits the chassis better and is a more fun to drive but the experience could be different for other drivers. Try 1st and 2nd gear on b-road you will be surprised.
Hi janko, thank you for your insightful review. It seems that major car mags did the comparison Spyder vs GTS 4.0 a little superficially. They told - Yep the engine and power delivery is pretty much the same but not so the chassis. Also this particular car with Alcantare/leather interior and carbon trim, pricewise is very close to the Spyder. If i was looking for better day by day convenience, i'd look no further than a regular 718 or 718 T. On the other hand i agree with you for the appreciation of the turbo 4, 2.0 or 2.5. where the majority of media bashed this engine a lot since its launch in 2016. Before the Spyder i owned a nicely specced 718 2.0 and even in comparison with the former it was really very good value for money. In my opinion the Phyton Green works better on the Cayman. For the Boxter i'd prefer Miami Blue or Lava Orange like special colours. For the calipers absolutely black, especially with green, red is not a great match imho. I regret not having specified black on my white Spyder, i have black rims instead.
Sorry for the late answer, your comment was stoped in spam, don't know why? The chassis in the 4.0 GTS is the same as in the 2.5 GTS. GT4 and Spyder have a motorsport chassis wish will cope with a more intense engine such as the NA 4.0. If you buy a GTS 4.0, I do recommend everybody to upgrade the chassis and tires. But then again in your financial calculation, you will be better of with a GT4 Spyder or the 2.5 GTS for a more suited daily driving car. Black calipers make the car look really good but red with white is not bad at all. I try to explain that it's not about if the calipers are painted or not, its all about it needs to match the color of the car. I like red calipers on cars with the body color: White, red, black and sometimes silver.
@@JankoLind Thanks for your reply Janko, my Spyder just passed its first birthday. If i'd get a new one today, i'd be tempted to go with PDK gearbox, albeit i generally prefer manual gearbox, i assume the former has much better gearing. Especially 2nd gear is extremely tall with manual. P.s. Had a chat with mydealer the other day, he told me that their allocation for new GT3 this year (6-7 cars) is already booked. Also they will only have 2 Spyders for 2021
Very well observed and completely aligned with what I've found as an owner. Refreshing after so many rave reviews that don't align with my experience. I love so much about it, but have found the dynamics and the engine sound to be less inspiring than I had hoped.
Look forward to your review - I’ve been fortunate to test drive the 4.0 GTS to compare to my Boxster T so will be interested to see if you reach the same conclusion as I did .
@@JankoLind so your conclusion is for the non-GT chasis the 2.5 or 2.0 fits better, the 4.0 makes the chassis we can say "nervous" if you downshift, hi-rev on a b-road, but the chassis feels underperforming if you keep the gear on low rpms because low torque curve compared to a turbo? if that is true then you only need to get the 4.0 in a non-GT chassis only if you care about.. the sound? what about if you drive a bit more than only b-roads? i think the real conclusion is get a 4.0 if you drive more on autobahn or open fast roads and/or tracks and or if you care about the sound and specifically in b-roads you are willing to drive with a bit more nervous chassis as a compromise because of the power delivery of the 4.0. In the end the 2.0 and 2.5 engines are more suitable for a non-GT chassis but they can feel a bit underpowered in big open tracks but the compromise is not the nervous chassis but the flat-4 sound like a Porsche 912 but with turbo noises added.
Hi Janko, Refreshing to hear you views and I agree ; for me the 4 cylinder suits the 718 better ( I could sense the extra weight of the 4L over my T!) - we’ve chatted before and you know I’m a 911 fan from owning several 911’s including 911GTS to my 991.1 GT3 but when I wanted a change to convertible the 911 felt so much less agile . And my T has seen some good track time at tighter tracks she keeps up with everything and yes at Silverstone Full GP circuit she was overpowered by friends GT4 and GT3 - but she still went past a lot of other 911’s, and you can use so much more of the cars available ability on the road .
Yeah I think the red calipers totally work with the green. Even without considering the reflectors. Are the darker reflectors road legal? Here in Germany that's always quite problematic to do.
Thank you for making the video, and for your review. Some people don’t like your conclusions, but this just goes to show why you need to see lots of reviews, because reviewers are human and have their own individual preferences. Sometimes it depends when and what conditions you test and drive the car, what sort of roads. Recently one magazine put the BMW M2 competion last in its reviews of Best Drivers Car, another magazine made it their Car of the Year. How come? The first magazine drove it in terrible weather where its Cup tyres were a nightmare. Janko, you don’t really like the GTS4.0 that much, that is fine. I think perhaps the B Roads in Scandinavia are perhaps a lot less rough and bumpy that ours in the North of England, here the slightly softer suspension and better ground clearance can give the GTS (either 2.5 or 4.0) an advantage over the GT4 or Spyder, maybe if you drove the car here you might see the benefit of the GTS4.0? Maybe not, and I’m sure you would still prefer the 2.5, but that car is no longer available as a new car.
Hi Graham, Big thanks for your contribution to our community. I agree, condition matters. I can not compare the UK and Swedish roads true. You are right I would prefer the old GTS and perhaps, in this case, I would go for the 718 Boxster S, get a more "complete" product, and as a bonus, money on the bank. I understand that my thoughts are not in line with the general public but one thing you need to give me in comparison to other reviewers, I ONLY drive Porsche and I own my own. Big thanks for the time you spend on my channel, and perhaps you have honored me with your subscription.
@@JankoLind Absolutely, it's your honestly held opinion and I respect that. No one car is right for everyone, we all have our preferences and priorities.
@@JankoLind Ha Ha depends on how we use our vehicle for daily driving. A Cayman if no kids and besides, we can load 5 packages of beer 24 cans and 4 boxes, 3-litres, of wine easily. 911 is not for elderly people in regard to this transport requirement.
I may be wrong, but I think that Porsche may have dialled back the front end response of the GTS by keeping the camber quite low. I imagine with more camber (via camber plates), it drives much closer to the Spyder, and you can almost have your cake and eat it. With the amount of torque on offer the smaller tyres on the GTS probably aren't that much of a detriment outside of a track, where ultimate lateral grip might be needed. From what I know of these cars, I'd want the more liveable car, with leather not alcantara, but perhaps sharpen up the front end, which might have been kept a bit weak on the GTS to give the Spyder more kudos. I know the Spyder has the rose joint bits but 1.4 degrees of front camber seems very tame on the GTS, probably on purpose.
Janko - thanks for the review. Did you buy, install and cut your own film to tint the reflectors down from the bright red (8 min mark) or did you buy those online pre-cut? Looking to do the same to my Spyder. Thank you.
Hi Janko, great test!! I own a 718 GTS 2.5 manual, stage 1 - 530nm - 415/420 hp, and I love curvy mountain roads, no circuit. If you where in my position, would you consider to change to GTS 4.0 manual? Do you think 2.5 GTS will be better valued in the future? Wish you all the best and Merry Christmas from Barcelona !!
In this case, the problem is addressed and managed. Remember the GTS 4.0 has the same chassis as the Cayman T and as all of you know I was very happy with my Öhlins upgrade. YES, that will decently address the problem that the engine does not match the chassis.
I have a GTS 4.0 Boxster. I chose PDK for daily driver use, but I also love it for backroad playtime. I was also won over on test drives of the 4cyl 718. There is still plenty of driver involvement, because the paddles are so responsive, and the car feels completely unhinged when slamming through gears on the curves.
Thank you both for contributing to our community. I would put my money towards the chassis or tires to get more out of the car rather than a PDK. If you are going to daily your car, perhaps a PDK is a preferred option?
My 987 is manual, and the 320/520 prior to that were manual too. It's just getting stuck in UK traffic and frequent traffic lights often ruin the manual experience.
If disecting such fine details in respect to 2.5t vs. 4.0 you may not ignore the slight turbo lag of 2.5t in lower rev range where 4.0 is torque light, but more sonorous and lag free. As it is obvious, in my experience 4.0 is better then 2.5t, if ignoring tax and co2.
Thanks for your comment, Reinis. If you have a turbo Porsche above 2 000 rpm it is extremely difficult to feel any turbo lag. That goes for the 992 also. But wish is my favorite, NA wins my heart in the engine department but that's just emotions...
It was given to me by Johan. It is merchandise from a company in Sweden called Still Sparkling. If you live in Sweden, you might encounter this brand if you order sparkling water at a fancy restaurant. For the record, I do like the hat.
The Spyder is a bit difficult, it has a lot of history to carry around. On GT-cars strong color is interesting, with its base from the IROC championships strong colors was applied to distinguish the drivers. The 718 Spyder is an extremely rare item, not many cars have left the Motor Sports department without a roof. looking at Porsches open classic sports cars, they were much more restraint in color selection. At the end of the day, you need to feel for YOUR car and the question you need to ask your self wish path is more important for YOU. Select the color you like and not what others think.
Janko Lind thank you Janko I really appreciate your thinking - decision for the new year. Also wondering about shark blue if becomes available. Merry Christmas and looking forward to more content in 2021
Hi GT86, Agree very important to look at the local regulations when comparing cars. I try to inform when I have different data but overall, the local rules sometime makes a large impact on your selection. For me, regardless tax the winner in this battle is the GTS 2.5
Great review, color is awesome. Controversially I wonder if many regular "weekend" Boxster drivers would be able to notice the 3cm difference in tire width? Totally agree that regular track drivers would notice the difference and many other differences between the way the way the GTS and the Spyder handle. That said, both are great cars as are the regular 718's.....a base Cayman with ventilated seat (for the crazy Southern US summers) would be awesome.
Thanks, 93455Driver, for contributing to our community via your comment. Yes, all 718 cars are beautiful to drive, as mentioned in my video, very balanced and it is possible to drive the car with "two fingers". Perhaps you have honored me with your subscription?
Great video! Interesting to hear a different point of view for the 4 cylinder cars in the 718 platform. I think people simply just prefer the noise of the flat 6 over the driving abilities of the car. In the UK here people are very keen on the 4.0 GTS.....it doesn't run PS4s though here instead it is sold on pirelli P-zeros which is a bit of a strange one as I have heard great things about the Michilin's 🤔
Hi Sam, Yes, I am one of few people that appreciated the sound of the 4 cylinders 718. That makes me more focused on the car's performance. Unfortionaltly it feels more like Porsche making money rather than the perfect mid-engine sports car. Don't get me started on the tires.
@@JankoLind Thanks for replying! I have seen your videos on the 2.0 718 Cayman T and it does seem a lot more pure......the less is more approach can work well in sports cars 👍
Jordi Sermont Fa 10 hores Hi Janko, great test!! I own a 718 GTS 2.5 manual, stage 1 - 530nm - 415/420 hp, and I love curvy mountain roads, no circuit. If you where in my position, would you consider to change to GTS 4.0 manual? Do you think 2.5 GTS will be better valued in the future? Wish you all the best and Merry Christmas from Barcelona !!
Hi Ferida, I don't recommend you to swap your 2.5 GTS to a 4.0 that's a BIG NO GO for me. Not sure how your car handles the 530 nm, perhaps you should consider a chassis upgrade... If you are not already, please subscribe to my channel.
great review. glad you gave some love to the 2.5 GTS. seems like the faster car, so Harry's garage would take this car over the 992 base/S would you take the 4.0 over the 992? 991.2?
Hej Janko, Tack för inspirerande Review. I own a 718T and fully agree regarding your thoughts. I do wonder though how this 4.0 would feel and perform with added the Öhlins chassi? Mvh, Per Eric
Hej Per, you are absolutely right. If your ad an Öhlins Road and track chase to the 4.0 GTS then you have a perfectly balanced car between the chassis and the engine. Thanks for watching and perhaps you have honored me with your subscription.
@@JankoLind Självklart följer jag dig, dina insiktsfulla synpunkter hjälpte mig till beslutet att köpa en 718T Boxster, tack! Det jag saknar är dina synpunkter på mapping / chip trimning som ger helt ny karaktär till 718. Vi syns nog på något PC event efter pandemin.....
@@Cars-and-Things No worries, If I don´t make a premiere a loose about 20% of viewers. I'm not the one making the rules. In principle, I fully agree with your first comment. Premiers is not my favorite.
If not the GTS 4.0, then would you take a Cayman T or a loaded Cayman S with all the performance features? The loaded S is the closest thing to a GTS 2.5.
Hi Dan, That's a very good question. I would go for the Cayman T since I could get the buckets seats. They make a huge difference in the Art of Driving. If you are not already, please consider subscribing.
@@JankoLind Already subscribed sir! I plan to use it as a daily driver with occasional track/autocross so the buckets are out of the question. I'm sure the T would have more performance than I could use. But there is the attraction of the S to have a bit more oomph. The GTS also, but I worry about the torque at lower revs when I'm just driving casually. And you have me worried about the engine/chassis dynamics, although everyone else seems to love the GTS.
Great video and thank you for your brutal honesty. Its refreshing to hear someone praise the 2.5 Turbo engine and not just talk about the engine noise.
In this , Iiameyre, it is a much better combination. In addition, Porsche has a huge history with mid-enige sportscars with 4 cyl displacement.
Finally somebody said the truth that 2,5 suit better to GTS than naturally aspirated 4,0. Janko fully agree with you.
A few years later....Boxster 4.0L owner here. His torque complaint is solved with the PDK. The manual is geared too high for the street, and the PDK solves this.
I have to say, no! The 4.0 definitely fits to the 718, no rattle and banging of the 2.5 and absolutely linear at the accelerator, doesn’t matter which gear or speed. Got mine, one of the first customer cars, with manual gearbox, in June and did more than 5k on mountain passes and twisty roads, absolutely brilliant. I owned a 981S with PDK before, which was louder, but the 718 is definitely is more precise to drive, both cars with PTV and PASM.
I drove the 9924S, bevor I ordered the 718 GTS 4.0, what made the decision absolutely clear to me, the 911 got to big, heavy and silent for my thoughts, of a drivers car.
The 718 GTS 4.0 with manual gearbox is a drivers car and can be used as a daily driver, even during the winter, with proper winter wheels. The GTS is not a GT car and and that’s the difference to the GT4 / Spyder.
Maybe your press-car had the optional softer -10mm PASM, instead of the standard -20mm, and the engine mounts are adaptive, what you can feel with Sport or Sport+ mode, instead of standard mode.
And about the red callipers with the python green, no, there are better combinations, black painted callipers or a GT silver painted car, with the red callipers, like mine.
@Janko Lind go ahead!
Hello Thomas, what made you want to upgrade? I have 981S as well. Love it. But a small part of me wish it had a little more power. I am not sure if getting a GTS would be worth the jump. At this point I would have to pay nearly $60k more for a overall ‘similar’ car. Look forward to your thoughts. Thanks in advance.
@@jhan4915 My 981S was one of the first cars, from 2012, very well equipped and only 45k km on it, at the end, that’s because the first owner did only 10k in nearly 5 years. Compared to that car, the 718 GTS 4.0 is a other level, way more precise to drive and the engine has a lot more power, doesn’t matter what gear and speed. Despite of those main reasons, I have a better seating position with the adaptive Sport Plus seats, instead of the ventilated standard seats. Besides of that you get a refined infotainment with digital Radio and Apple CarPlay, especially the first I’ll get necessary, during the next years, when they switch off the regular radio stations.
That’s why 😃
Tom: Did you drive the GTS 2.5? Just curious.
@@matthewlocker4961 Yes I did, there is enough Power and Torque, but I don’t like the sound, especially not this banging while downshifting,. The 2.5 is permanently loud, but it’s not a nice sound, what I think is necessary, driving with open roof.
@@tomoldigs1353 Tom: Thanks for the update and it's good to hear. To many people beat up the 2.0/2.5T's without any experience with the car. You have so that's all that can be asked.
If you aren't familiar with the Soundaktor, this I believe is a huge part of the reason so many people don't like the sound of this car. Porsche, in their infinite wisdom, decided to pipe fake engine sound into the car. All it does is ruins the cabin ambience, causing drones & other horrible side effects. Most people I know who have the T4 have made the removal of the Soundaktor fuse their first change to their car. For me it was & the fuse is never going back in.
MOO & FWIW
This has been the longest wait ever! We’ve missed you
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I totaly agree with you, the 2.5 GTS is more suitable fiitted to 718 chassis and a perfect combination for daily driving. For me it was an easy decision for daily use
Congratulations on your choice, a good one. Perhaps you have honored me with your subscription.
@@JankoLind A long time ago... :-)
Feel the same way. Always believed that the 2.5T was better suited for the 718. Better weight, better performance, better pairing.
It is a beautiful car to drive the GTS 2.5
Sorry Janko but with respect I don't agree re your point about the 4.0l not suiting the chassis of the 718. The 2.5l puts way more stress on the chassis than the 4.0l! You only need to look at the power delivery! You haven't really covered the lag issue either.
Next up suspension.vs your Spyder, I guess in Sweden you have smooth roads, but when things get a bit less smooth for example here in the UK, I imagine you may appreciate the softness of the GTS, it's probably a better road car here.
For me I sensed a bit of a chip on your shoulder this car should of course be compared with the Spyder, it's the road orientated version and probably the comparison most buyers will do in their head before signing on the bottom line.
Ps nothing wrong with red calipers but they look much better when you spec Guards Red 👍
Completely agree. I think Janko's opinion is very respectable but very subjective, and surprisingly does not coincide with the general opinion expressed in the many, many reviews about this car that I have read and seen. I have a Boxster GTS 4.0 with PSAM -10mm since July 2020 and it has been 11,000 km so far on all kinds of roads for pure driving pleasure
Dear Test Drive Scotland, thank you very much for contributing to our community. In regards to UK VS Swedish roads, I can not make any comparison. Have not done much driving in the UK. I've driven the 718 a lot and I stand by my word, the 4.0-liter engine does not fit the chassis as well as the 4-cyl engines dose. Please let me remind everybody that I know all about the 4.0 GTS long before I ordered my Spyder.
@@JankoLind thanks for responding, I don't doubt that it is your opinion, I just don't understand it. I'm a 981 owner with the gentler but intoxicating 3.4, I've had a lot of wheel time in the 718, I prefer the 2.0l it's a really nice road car especially in manual form so we agree on that.
The 2.5S, not so much, whilst it had great performance I felt it was laggy and not quite so smooth, with some spikes so it surprises me to hear that you think it's better suited than the smooth na 4.0l. I guess Porsche felt the same hence the switch. I don't want to get into the sound, the 2.0l I can handle but no one wants to hear that 2.5l sound when enjoying the car with the top down it's almost offensive 😂. What's your stance on these points?
I don't think having the same engine in the GTS dilutes the Spyder, it's still very special with the aero and great that they gave it the same treatment as the GT4 this time around.
I'll be getting some more wheel time in the 718 GT4 in the new year but here in Scotland we need a lot of suspension compliance for some of our best driving roads.
Great views on the 718. So much media hype about the new 4 .0 engine. Keep the honesty coming, so refreshing
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Janko, your comment that said, “the Boxster playground is much larger” makes total sense. I’m currently number 2 on the allocation list here in Pa. For a GTS 4.0 manual and I’m trading in my 992 due to size. A 911 was on my bucket list but it’s the wrong one, maybe a 991 size is better. Thanks for your passion on these fine vehicles.
It sure is a larger playground :-)
Good to have you back, as an old man who likes the 6cyl sound I'd have the 4.0 but with full leather. I'm voting NO for red with green.
Yes, the sound of the 4-cyl displacement is a marathon. It's a different tone, some like some don't. I like the 4-cyl displacement because it reminds me of the Porsche history in regards to sportscars.
@@JankoLind I understand your comment of engine history with Porsche. Very few other engines sound as good as a 6cyl NA Porsche engine nearing the top of its rev range in my opinion. It’s very distinctive and unlike any other 6cyl. It’s a shame that turbo charging has been made necessary to hep combat emissions at the detriment of characterful noise. This is why I purchased a late low mileage 991.1. I also have a Cayenne Diesel S so I also know the advantages of torque in everyday driving. We are lucky to have the choice, different solutions and no right or wrong. Happy Christmas, happy driving.
@David White, You write something that is very important, there is no right or wrong. We all love Porsche but we could have (and that's the beauty of it) different opinions.
We already knew Janko's very negative opinion of the GTS 4.0 that he revealed in a video many months ago when Porsche announced the release of this model, and without even having tested the car. And I sincerely think that this negative thought may be influenced by the fact that, undoubtedly, this decision subtracted a bit of exclusivity from the Spyder carrying that fabulous 4.0 naturally aspirated engine (exactly the same one that the GTS 4.0 now carry with the only software difference for subtract 20 cv).
And in my humble opinion, this thought has totally conditioned the test of this car, lacking the usual emotion that Janko has us used to in her videos.
I think that it is not possible that a flat-6 naturally aspirated engine was a fantastic engine for Boxster for 20 years, between 1996 and 2016, and now it stops being so and we discover that the ideal engine for a Boxster is a flat-4 turbo, when We all know that it was a tough decision for Porsche imposed by European emissions regulations, and not based on their own emotional convictions. I don't buy the argument.
BIG thanks for your contribution to our community José. You are right, from an emotional perspective I do not appreciate a flat-6 in a Boxster or a Cayman, for that matter. It creates the "I could not afford a 911 syndrome" instead of being a stand-alone beautiful mid-engined sportscar connecting to the Porsche History as the flat 4 equipped cars dose. I believe I made this clear in my first videos when I reviewed the 718 Cayman years ago.
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You are also right that Porsche was forced to downsize due to European emissions regulations, but from my pair of eyes, it was a jackpot. Never the less I understand that the majority of the market does not agree with my thoughts, and do not appreciate the flat 4 as I dose. This inspired me to go from talking to action when I bout the Porsche 718 Cayman T.
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Regardless of what you think/write the 4.0 does not suit the chassis. I've driven to many Porsches and this is all about making money rather than designing the perfect mid-engine sportscar. You could of course upgrade the chassis and wheels. Something that I recommend if you purchased the 4.0 already. IMPORTANT the GTS 4.0 did not subtract the exclusivity from the Spyder, the Boxster GTS 4.0 and the Spyder are two totally different cars, and as I said in the video could not be compared. Please let me remind everybody that I know all about the 4.0 GTS long before I ordered my Spyder.
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What I do cross my fingers and hope for is a 992 Carrera T with the 4.0 Naturally aspirated engine from the Spyder/GT4 fitted. That ladies and gentlemen could be one of the best Porsche cars ever. Remember that a 992 Carrera S manual has a Kurb weight of 1480 kg, which's 10 kg lighter than a 997 Carrera and with a chassis to handle a more stressful engine.
I hope this clarifies the situation, and perhaps, you could understand the argument? I do respect and understand that we have a different opinion on this matter. We don't have to agree and I hope to meet you one day for a coffee and car talk, that would be amazing. As I've said many times, there is a Porsche for everybody.
Please take care and thank you for watching my channel and contributing to our community.
I have tested many 911's. I always thought I would buy one, but I never found one I could connect with, up to and including the Turbo S (I never considered a GT3 because I wanted a convertible). I bought a Boxster because it makes the 911 seem like a boat in comparison. If anyone wants to think it's because I can't afford a 911, then they haven't driven a 718. And who cares anyway? Besides, the Boxster/Cayman was always a flat 6 before the 718, so the 4.0 connects better with the history of this model than the 4 cylinder does. Also, you are the first person who has ever claimed that the 4 cyl handles better than the GTS. This has not been my experience at all. In fact, every other reviewer besides you prefers the 4.0 to the 4 cylinder. Many are calling it the perfect sports car on the market, at any price. And a 992 Carrera T with the 4.0 NA engine will not appeal to me, as I will always go for mid-engine over rear engine.
@@JankoLind well said Janko
Thank you Janko, great video , as a Spyder owner I totally agree that you can not compare GTS with Spyder . Price difference is not dramatic but experience is dramatically different. Porsche GT product is so different, so emotional it’s hard to explain. You got it so correct. GTS is a great car and if you can not get allocation for Spyder it’s a good substitute, but if you you can get Spyder , please get it !!!!
Thank you !
I agree 718 Spyder Man, perhaps not a big supprice. Please if you are not already, subscribe to my channel.
Gts is by far prettier and more plesant. Porsche punked you and you’re butthurt, I can understandand.
@@tennismaroc They are absolutely delusional. There is a slight difference in the feel from suspension - it's more adjustable, firm and more responsive, but the difference is negligible and mainly in their head (and tires as they impact the feel quite a bit). The drivetrain obviously feels the same because it is the same and the GTS 4.0 will be faster in a straight every time because of lower weight and less downforce.
Stock-to-stock GTS 4.0 is 95% of the same car, but in a more liveable package and better comfort options available (entry&drive, front sensors, adaptable cruise, etc. etc). If you put 295's on the rear (which you can do on stock rims), you're hard pushed to feel any difference on public roads.
Thanks for the honest review Janko. So refreshing to hear from a auto channel but nothing new for you- that's what brings me back! Thanks again and Happy New Year!
Happy New Year Mario, as you understand the GTS 4.o is not my cup of tea. If you are not already, please subscribe to my channel.
You are so honest and poetic. I am sending you all the positive vibes that I can. Keep going! I love what you do.
Thanks, Marvin, for your support. Please spread the word about my channel. I guess you have honored me with your subscription?
@@JankoLind I will gladly spread the word about your channel.
Christmas just came early with a new Janko video! Hope you’re safe and well my friend
Thanks, Andrew, me and my family are all good. I hope yours find to. Take care :-) and Merry Christmas!
Great review Janko, thx a lot! I recently bought a 718 T to have some fun on the weekends. I´m in line with your opinion regarding the 4 cylinder engine, it is such a great engine and car to drive! My daily is a BMW M5 Competition (8 cylinders @ 625 horsepower). We will keep the 718 T as part of our fleet for a very long time! Cheers, Mike
Mike, congratulations on your 718 T it is a fantastic car. Perhaps you have seen my playlist about my old 718T?
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"The playground for the Boxster is much larger." Boy, that summed up the tie breaker for me, and of course, $$$. I had the first 991.2 in California for awhile and loved it but felt I could never get the most out of it given my location and everything else going on in my life. Fast forward to '23 and I test drove the Boxster on the same 1 mile canyon road near the dealer and it was a blast and that is what sold me. I get mine in May and can't wait.
Thanks Janko for another entertaining video. However, I differ from you on a number of points. I have spent a lot of seat time in the 4 cyl 718's. Very quick, but I never cared for the sound (like a lawnmower) or the on/off nature of the turbo. I mooned after the Spyder, but could never have one for a daily driver for the reasons mentioned in the video. When the 4.0 liter version of the Boxster GTS was announced, I grabbed the first allocation at my dealer. I have had the car for 2 weeks now, and have loved every second of it. The engine gives up some torque down low, but makes up for it with the absence of turbo lag, the way the throttle can be so easily finessed, the tuneful exotic sound, and the screaming high RPM performance. As far as handling, it has a completely addictive dialed in go kart feeling, exactly what I was looking for and in no way less rewarding in the corners than the 4 cyl in my opinion. This is not to deny the appeal of the 4 cylinder cars, which are fantastic in their own right and offer a different set of virtues.
Hi , As I've said many times, there is a Porsche for everybody. In this case, we do not share the same opinion and as you know I've driven the 718 4 cyl a lot. I know that I'm quite alone liking the sound. From where I'm standing, perhaps a Base 992 would have been the best selection for you, but then again you will missout on the mid-engine characteristics. Perhaps, regardless of our deviation opinion, you have honored me with your subscription.
@@JankoLind Yes subscribed, I do enjoy your videos and yes we are lucky that Porsche makes so many variants to suit different types of enthusiasts. As I mentioned in another response, I have never been a 911 fan, to me it feels like a cruiser compared to the Boxster (which is considered by many to be the only true sports car in the lineup, an opinion that I share).
@@JankoLind well said Janko
Thank you for your early Christmas present with a new video. Love your passion for Porsche.
Thanks, Paul, for your energy and the time you spend on my channel.
One of the benefits of the "base" 718 Boxster is that you don't get red calipers and that you get the less powerful 2 litre engine, which just means you can enjoy a larger portion of the cars performance on public roads.
Some times I even miss my old Mazda MX-5 ND 1.5's ability to enjoy ALL of the performance without even fracturing the speedlimits 😁
In essence, driving a slow car fast is more fun than driving a fast car slowly.
alf_17 I fully understand you :-) Perhaps you have honored me with your subscription?
@@JankoLind Yes, I have been subscribed for over a year, and I still enjoy your content 😁👍
A loud minority complained about sounds and cylinders without even driving a 2017+ 4cyl 718, which is an absolute joy to drive. I agree on the mismatch in engine and chassis. Boxster S for the win. Feels more like a 911 than my 992 honestly.
Hi, will, and thank you for contributing to our community. You write something very important. Within the Porsche community, there is a lot of people that have opinions about cars wish they have never driven. They might have a Porsche parked in the garage but it does not help in most of the cases.
What I love about your reviews is that you obviously love Porsches, but you are candid when comparing the models and options. Look forward to more!
@@willscurran Thanks :-)
Love the video - just had Spyder delivered before Xmas and I totally agree with your comments and so glad I went with the Spyder. The GTS 4.0 is a great car but more daily vs ‘special’. Car is in ‘Janko’ spec and is spectacular! Stay safe and thanks for all your videos in 2020!
Thank you, David, for watching my videos in 2020. Congratulations to your Spyder, you will have a blast driving it. Perhaps you have honored me with your subscription?
@@JankoLind - have been subscribed for a while. Keep the videos coming and hope Sweden is doing OK at the moment.
@@davidrowe96 thanks, we are doing find so far. Take care.
Janko = awesome! You're video reviews are based in reality & just really appreciate your honest opinions on these cars. Very funny when you explained why you DON'T do a comparison between GTS & Spyder.
Thanks, K, I try my best to explain my thoughts.
I enjoy your videos, and whilst you have some valid points, I don’t agree with many of the opinions in this video. Drive on a track...for sure the GT4. Poser factor....GT4.
Drive on the road and a GTS 4.0 is a better option than a GT4. And it’s £10k cheaper.
Not everyone wants a front splitter so low to the ground, a single driving mode or a wing on the back ‘for the road’. You don’t chase lap times on the road, and the GT4 is not quite as easy to live with. I think what I am trying to say is that it depends on the purpose of the car, which is better for the individual buying it.
The GTS 4.0 is for those who prefer to fly under the radar, compared to a GT4 or Spyder but who also appreciate the engine.....and the art of driving......on the road 😊
Harry understands what the GTS 4.0 is all about, and just about every other reviewer. I do appreciate you are coming at this from a different perspective though, and it’s always good to see a different viewpoint.
Merry Christmas.
Hi Stephen, Just to make sure you understood me, I do not compare the Boxster 4.0 GTS with the Spyder, the previous 718 Boxster GTS 2.5 is a much better comparison.
@@JankoLind Fair point, but the fact many reviewers suggest it’s 95% or so of a GT4 for less money requires the comparison, in my opinion.
Your points at the beginning explained why you were not comparing it with a Spyder, but if driving on the road which is better. Would you recommend a GTS 4.0 or Spyder ?
Do we need a larger rear diffuser, big wing, larger brakes and wider rear tyres to push and stop 400hp on the road ? We know the best choice for the track, so I guess the GTS 4.0 must be the better choice for the road ?
Stephen totally agree with you.
I Think if you compare it with the 2.5 GTS maybe 90% will go for the 4.0 GTS.
Just because of that sound and that Engine like in the Spyder.
I Think ist suits the 718 GTS much more than the 2.5
I agree too. I'm not sure where Janko is coming from here at all tbh. The monocoque is exactly the same on both Spyder and Boxster, only the suspension components, brakes and aero are different. And 90% of people wont tell the difference, unless really pushing on or on track. The GTS 4.0 is the better road car because of the extra comfort and roof convenience while still offering the stunning performance of the same engine (again electronically detuned by an almost undetectable few HP and 200rpm). I purchased the Spyder because I am a true enthusiast, that's who the model is designed for. However, once I drove the Boxster GTS 4.0 for a couple of days, I sold my Spyder and swapped to the GTS. All the fun, without the harshness and hassle of the roof. Of course, each to their own.
@@RobGalvin65 I would not recommend the 4.0 GTS, the base 718 is much better value for money. I'm sorry but the 4.0 GTS is not something I recommend unless you absolutely need a mid-engine NA flat 6 car. Doesn't matter if it is only for road use and if that is the case go for a Boxster T and you will get the important PTW as standard. MUCH better choice.
Thank you Janko for another enjoyable video. Wishing you and your family a healthy and prosperous 2021
Thank you, Villaman, I wish you the same and please take care of yourself and your family. Wish you the best.
Nice review JL! I like your approach. Also, I agree that it is refreshing not to hear people whining about the turbo charged four-cylinder engines.
Thanks, drbob s82, I like the 4-pot engines the suit the 718 perfect. If you are not already, please consider subscribing.
@@JankoLind already subscribed!
Love the green paint with the red calipers... said the guy looking for elf space and a reindeer adapter for his next sled, er, auto. Thanks for another great video!
Thanks for watching Justin. I see the reindeer every day and thought why not film them. If you are not already, please consider subscribing
Great review comparing the previous 2.5L Turbo to this new 4.0L NA 718 GTS. However, one important topic not discussed (by this or most other comparison videos) is the noticable presence of turbo lag with a 2.5L car. After having driven both versions of GTS cars, I noticed that the 2.5L definitely has turbo lag which can only be avoided if kept in Sport+ mode. The issue is probably related to only having a single turbo (whereas the 991.2 and 992 use twin turbos but which are still not identical to a true 991 or 992 Turbo with its twin VTG turbochargers). As a result of my two GTS test drives, I decided on the 2023 718 GTS 4.0 (to avoid the turbo lag issue) and am thoroughly happy with this decision!
In this case I can not agree, the tubo lag is close to non. I belive I've talked a bit about this in some videos and for me the PDK lag is more important to discuss. Any way, thanks for watching and the comment.
@@JankoLind Thanks for your comments. Sounds like we are essentially in agreement regarding the 2.5L version exhibiting some turbo lag (not zero but "close to non"). Curious as to what you meant by PDK lag? After having owned several Porsches, manuals and PDKs, the later shifts in 0.05 seconds (50 milliseconds) which is quite a bit faster than a human can manage. Maybe you are referring to response time from varying throttle input (instead of using paddles) to the PDK executing a shift?
@@danielpfister6774 something like that can not remember which video I talked about it but I think 🤔 the one comparing manual VS PDK with the 992
Thanks for the reference to your "992 PDK versus Manual " video. I pulled up and viewed the video which does discuss this idea of "PDK lag". However, we can probably agree this is actually more a mental perception than physical characteristic of Porsche cars. On the one hand, I would agree that a manual gearbox offers very direct driver engagement. Although, I have found my PDK equiped Porsches also offer similar control of the gearbox by simply selecting manual mode and then shifting up/down as desired. The only real difference between gearboxes is whether a foot pedal or ECU interacts with a clutch plate. Typically, as you mention, a PDK provides quicker acceleration and higher torque (both of which are useful in track day situations). Anyway, always fun to compare notes and experiences related to these awesome machines!
Glad you’re back, it’s been too long. Really like the fact you’re not simply praising the 4.0 like everyone else but instead speak of a bit of a mismatch, which kind of makes sense. I myself would not consider a 718 to be a daily driver, but maybe I’m wrong. I’d go for the Spyder instead because of this. Finally: definitely no red brake calipers on a green car... just as on the spyder. Best of luck, until the next one!
Perhaps I misunderstood you but don't go for a Spyder as a daily, you will not be happy with that. Otherwise thanks for contributing to our community.
@@JankoLind I indeed wasn’t very clear. I meant to me a 718 isn’t a car I see myself using as a daily in general, I see it more as a second or third car. But maybe I’m wrong and it can be used as a daily. Right now I have an old school 964 but I’ve been very much on the edge of buying a 718 Spyder or ideally a gt3 touring. That last one was/is a different price point though...
@@ts7902 Makes sense for me now. yes, they are a big different price point.
I truly love your reviews, you are so passionate about Porsche’s 👍
Thanks, se u on the premiere
Thank you; your opinion about the 2.5 being very well suited to a not so track focused chassis (gts vs spyder) made me test the 2.5L gts today. Bought it. Indeed I trade my 997 4s for a 2.5 gts. Thank you Janko.
Congratulations to a spectacular car. the 718 must feel extremely light in comparison to your privies 997. Do you know that the 992 Carrera S Manuel is 10 kg lighter than the 997 Carrera. Perhaps you have honoured me with your subscription?
@@JankoLind indeed I am a subscriber now.
The 997 4s is a great car as are all S + Porsche’s. But 15 years of development exist and the automotive industry is (as few others) a very high spec industry, very innovative and very based on I&D. We all notice that as end users, don’t we?
The 2.5l is much faster, corners much easily and provide great feedback. Not yet ready to evaluate in deep but the feeling is actually of great happiness. Traded an 911 for a 718 might sound crazy and is but is a great move as this car is phenomenal. Ppl talk about the sound but strangely doesn’t critise the 911 turbo or turbo s sound. The 718 2.5 is really a great car and people should indeed test it before following the herd.
I had 5 Porsche 911 since 2005 and 4 Boxster , i have sold my 718 S 2017 PDK and wait for a 2021 718 GTS 4.0 Manual ( i have change my Spyder order for the GTS 4.0 ) to approach the feeling of the older version and be more suitable for the bad Québec/Canada Road and have fun at the ED track days ! The only 911 i will consider is a GT3 but for the day to day and few track days the 718 GTS 4.0 is my best Bet !
You change Spyder to GTS 4.0 ? ☹️🤷♂️ why? Spyder are so rear , impossible to get .
@@got_gt3612 too low from ground, not able to enter in my driveway ! i got the prblem with my last GT4 2016
FYI, to have my spyder allocation . i have paid and reserve 2.5 year ago , and also have purchase more then 12 porsche in the last 15 years...
As I've said many times, there is a Porsche for everybody. Out of curiosity, why did you not order a base 992? it's a blast to drive:
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Thank you all for contributing to our community. It makes me happy when I see other people answering comments. BIG thanks to you all.
@@JankoLindHi Janko, i like to have a cabriolet in my garage and want to return to manual, the base 992 is very quick, more spacious but you cannot have the manual option. If i continue to make more Track days with my son, i will go for a GT3 ( manual also , more engaging ). i agree with you, there is a Porsche for every one, every one got is plus and minus, very hard to just have one ! that is the reason a change the model basicly each year. Continue your great work. very pleasant to watch. A porsche friend from Canada
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. The 718 Boxster T loaner I was given whilst my GT4 was last in for a regular service did not leave me with a great impression. It was fast off the line, but lacked a distinctive character otherwise.
The torque of the turbo-4 makes it easier to drive around town, or on back roads but it lacks the panache that a naturally aspirated engine provides.
Porsche's sports cars are supposed to prioritize engagement, even if it comes at the expense of simplicity.
But I digress...The 718's chassis is simply brilliant, regardless of what engine is used. It pleases me that prospective owners have the chance to choose between the 4 and 6 cylinder models.
Hi Stephen, and a big thanks for your comment and contribution to our community. For the record, comparing the GT4 with a non GT car such as the Boxster T or the 4.0 GTS is hard, apples and pears. But if you compare the Boxster T with the Boxster 4.0 GTS wish shares the same chassis that's another opportunity. If you are not already, please subscribe to my channel.
Thank you for the nice video's you gave us in 2020. Keep up the good work next year !
Thanks, Peter, I will try my best for 2021. Please take care.
Being only half Swedish, I would only be able to have the GTS 4.0L, in GT Silver with Bordeaux leather, so the red brakes are approved, and the more practical-on-paper models are not approved. Being only half English, I come from an ancient tradition where we know brakes only slow you down, so one never needs yellow ones; or indeed smaller engines that make less noise. My old Boxster S 3.4L sounded fantastic revved out, but missed the lower down roar the new GTS has. Gonna get one. Had I been paying attention I would have got a Spyder, but I would have moaned a lot about the lack of Bordeaux leather available.
Congratulations on your car... Bordeaux is available on the Spyder. If you are not already, please consider subscribing.
@@JankoLind yes true, but the Spyder limits how much leather you can have....and I am based in Dubai, so I don't think the single skin roof can deal with the summer sun/heat - kind of opposite of the challenge you have in Sverige with the cold winters. I have subscribed - I promise! I will go for manual over PDK this time around too. Great channel, keep up the great work
Janko please come back to TH-cam I miss your Porsche content, you are the best! Regards from New Zealand
If I hade the time I would, the future will tell.
Merry Christmas Janko!
I totally agree with you, I had a test drive of a 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 just yesterday (same pyton green by the way) and compared to my 718 Spyder the difference is night and day. From my perspective and considering what I expect from a Porsche, the Spyder eclipses the GTS in every department, especially when it comes to chassis, torque, power delivery and even sound.
By the way, thank you so much for your advice on the Cargraphic valve control. I had it installed a couple of months ago and it really transformed the driving experience. Now the car feels louder and alive throughout the entire rpm range, with a discernible power gain at low rpm.
Keep up the good job!
Thanks for your energy. I believe you should start (as you did) with the Cargraphic valve control. For most users, I believe that the only thing you need.
Torque? Power delivery? Sound?
Are you serious? GT and GTS are exactly the same with regards to all that. How can someone be so biased.
@@sj2345 I am not biased, I just know what I am talking about. Have you ever driven a 718 Spyder?
If you drive Gts and Spyder and cannot tell the difference of chassis, torque at low rpm (that could be amplified by the Cargraphic switch in my case), power delivery, sound (yes! even without Cargraphic switch), steering wheel, gearbox, driving feel, in short: everything, then I am sorry but you are probably not very familiar with cars. I recommend you spend more driving time ;-)
@@kamakura5036 :) Man, don’t embarrass yourself please. The only few differences between gt and gts are suspension (including wheels and brakes), aero, shorter shifter, higher redline and some cosmetics in the interior. Its all in your head ;)
@@sj2345 Sure.
At least you saved money not buying a GT product that you don’t understand.
For me, the only thing missing is a direct head-to-head of the GTS 2.5 vs 4.0 on a track, but I appreciate this year such things will be difficult
It sure is but old Porsches are not available as press-cars. Thanks for watching and subscribing.
@@JankoLind Please find a friend who will loan you their GTS 2.5. This is the comparison that needs to be made.
Hi Janko. I have to agree with your comments about the GTS 4.0 vs the Spyder. My other comment is the manual shifter in the GTS was a bit longer and not as enjoyable to shift than the Spyder.
Yes, there is a difference but I could not find out what it was. It should be the same between the car since they share the same transmission.
Hi Janko, thanks for your thoughts on the GTS 4.0. It is hard to find any comparison reviews between the 2.5 GTS and the 4.0 GTS. I always assumed that Porsche had no interest in such a comparison as the „old“ 2.5 GTS is the better package, which you confirmed in your review.
Correct Alexander
"I saw that if you had enough power in a small car, it is nicer to drive than if you have a big car which is also overpowered. And it is more fun." - Ferry Porsche on the development of the 356. The prototype for the 356 ("Porsche No. 1") was actually a 2 seat roadster with a mid-mounted flat-4 producing 40hp but only weighing 1,290lbs. The later versions only had the engine moved behind the rear axle to reduce costs and add two seats.
the four-pot suits the chassis much better. Ferry is turning in his grave looking at the 4.0 GTS.
Janko, competition instruments are without exception fine and rare precision pieces. We were missing your reviews.
Thanks, Paulo
Noone has never complained about the chassis until now...
It's about time, BUT I complain about that the engine dose not match the chassi. Put the 2.5 liter engine back and you are good to go ore change the chassi in the 4.0.
Great video as ever, good to see you back Janko.
Thanks, Mark, and Merry Christmas...
@@JankoLind Merry Christmas Janko🎄
I don't care for the red calipers with this color. I ordered my python green with black calipers. When the car arrived, I see that the black looks much better. By the way, your review sold me on this color and the carbon fiber stick shift. Very pleased.
Congratulations to your Boxster, take care.
Sometimes I agree with you, and sometimes I disagree. But I always appreciate that you present original thoughts and opinions, which is so different from most TH-cam channels. Also, the car should have come with the red top option to complete the Christmas motif!
Lol 😂 Christmas motif best this month. It’s the main thought with my channel, to make sure there is nothing right or wrong when it comes to Porsche just different opinions. If you are not already please consider subscribing.
I keep seeing mention of a “nervous chassis” in the GTS 4.0. Can anyone explain what a nervous chassis is? Sounds like BS to me. I’m pretty sure we are not talking about a 70 year old MG TC.
As I said in the review it is still a Porsche with great drivability. Nevertheless, What happens is that when you give throttle or let go, the chassis does not compensate but instead gives you a more nervous car to handle. please have a look at time index 12:39 where I need to compensate with steering getting out of a corner hardly never happens in any other Porsche models. Perhaps harder engine mounts could be a solution. I would recommend you look into upgrade your chassis (presuming you have a 4.0 GTS). I hope this explains "nervous chassis" for you.
@@JankoLind Well I re-watched the video and could not really tell what it was you were doing. With the camera on you I could not tell if you were in a curve or not and the video did not look continuous. Between looking at the book and narrating it appeared to me that you were "driving distracted" Did you experience understeer, oversteer, going off course and had to correct? Were you in sport mode or sport +?
Anyhow, I do not have a GTS 4.0 yet but will have one in March. I am really looking forward to the Porsche experience. Thanks for taking the time to do your reviews.
I just saw my wife's name. This was from Jim same as earlier
I actually think the Boxter GTS 4.0 is the better car for the B road. Its lighter than the Spyder, better road clearence and the thinner rear tyres mean you can feel the car move around making it more enjoyable, where as the spyder is too focussed.
As I've always said, there is a Porsche for everybody. If you are not already, please consider subscribing.
Hi Janko!
718 is on the same platform as 911. Are you sure about the chassis not being able to cope the detuned 4.0 flat 6?
YES, but you could easily fix it by changing the chassis. If you are not already, please consider subscribing.
@@JankoLind Doesn't the same MMB platfofm mean, that they use the same chassis for 911 and 718?
Thank you again for your reply!
well I'm just glad there's more flat 6's available in the cayman, happy hollidays sir
Happy hollidays and please take care. BIG thanks for your subscription.
Well it is nice to see a contrary opinion - good for discussion. I don't think the highly optioned S or GTS turbo 4's sold very well in and around $100k. They've fixed that and brought more balance to the 718 lineup IMO. There is something for everyone, and the GTS models in Canada are way harder to get (even an allocation) than the GT4's which are plentiful on dealer lots (for now). So ya, price matters and Janko didn't really touch on that. Option out a Cayman S with the GTS level of trim and performance, and you'll see quickly why the GTS has become instantly popular.
I don't understand the chassis comments. I have not heard that opinion on any other review (and there are many). Reviews where people compare the GT models to the GTS, without big gaps of time between driving each model. See Harry's Garage, Carfection, Auto Express, Piston Heads, Roger Bailey etc...... Also the Cayman S isn't really much slower than the 4.0, and is punchier low down so I don't really understand the comments that it is a mismatch. It isn't a GT car, but that holds appeal to many.
Thank you Dude, yes my opinion is not the populistic/selling/politically correct one you will find in above mention car reviewer. GTS models are increasing in popularity in Europe as you experience in Canada, it is as you write a value-added option pack. I did not talk about buying the car because it would not suit my review. It is not a perfect marriage as I made clear. I think the 2.5-liter engine suits the Boxster much better and a price discussion would just make the 4.0 even less attractive for me. A high revving engine is more to control for the chassis. You feel that when you drive the 4.0, with the 2.5-liter engine you give the chassis time to aline. As I've always said, there is a Porsche for everybody and I try to present my thought based on my pros and cons, this religion does not suit everybody.
Finally, I would like to thank you for contributing to our community, we do not have to share the same opinion but I believe we would have an interesting conversation and learn from each other.
Well DONE !!!
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Real world experience Janko! Very good :)
Thanks, Alexander, appreciated a lot coming from you. Take care...
I enjoyed your review of the GTS and totally agree that it does not compare to the Spyder. The Spyder is a special occasion car that you want to drive as often as you can. I have got fed up with some Spyder owners who moan that it has a manual roof. The Spyder manual roof is easy to operate so I can only conclude those people should have bought the GTS. But which GTS? You do make an interesting argument about the 2.5 being better balanced. The GTS is very nice and certainly very suitable as a daily driver.
Finally. The red brake callipers look awful against the green bodywork.
Thanks, Gio for your comment and your contribution to our community. For the record, I'm a bit fed up with automated roof operations.
@Janko Lind you’re making me miss my ex. I traded in a 718 GTS 2.5L Manual for a 991.2 GTS w/ PDK. And although I still love the 911 for its sheer power and stiffer chassis, the 718 was more fun to drive as a daily. I need to give my 911 30% more input to make it as much fun. There’s an idea: why don’t you do a comparison video 991.2 GTS vs 718 2.5L GTS? Keep up the good work my friend. I still feel as though you should have surpassed 100K subscribers by now. Not sure what’s going on with YT’s algo.
Thanks a lot, Purekoryo, I like your idea to go head to head with 991.2 GTS, and the 718 2.5 GTS not easy to arrange these days.
HI Janko, Still watching your entertaining videos here in Malaysia. It's been over a year since our lunch in Stockholm. Covid time flies. Best Wishes for 2021.
Hi Alex, I showed your book (which is in my shelf BTW) for my family this Christmas 🎄 yes COVID effect us all 😢 hope to see you again sometime.
Great rewiev,Janko! Cheers from Slovakia!
Hi Slovakia, and thanks for the energy chipy1198. Perhaps you have honored me with your subscription?
Have been re-visiting info about this car lately and I see a Janko Lind upload on it? MY LUCK.
Really respect the opinion and review in this one! Love the Boxster as we own a 2006, 6spd, S model. I wonder if equipping the PDK makes a difference in blending the chassis and motor together better. This all being said, my money is on the 2.5L turbo GTS or S models. I have seen high spec used 2.5L GTS Cayman and Boxster go for low 60's here in California. This is a much better value in my mind.
@@drewmorg. 100% agree with you and more Porsche DNA in the 2.5 GTS since Porsche has a huge history with mid-engine sportscar with 4-cyl displacement. Thanks for watching and subscribing.
Great review with great attention to details that matter.
Thanks Gary, appreciate the time you spent on my channel
That wasn’t really a well flowing review imo. You gave me the impression that you were somehow distracted and not focused, whatsoever.... usually you do much better but maybe it’s just me this time. To the car: Spyder as a 3rd car, for Saturday morning blasts and occasional track use, GTS for weekend use and longer road trips.... I have driven the Spyder, own the GTS4.0 and have to say that the Turbo4 didn’t appeal to me due to sound impressions but also throttle response and this “smaller engine capacity feel”, independent of any chassis mismatch opinions (which I btw don’t share). Thanks for having and articulating a fresh opinion and different view, much appreciated. Don’t take so much time again to come up with your next video and recharge over Christmas. God Jul och gott nytt år!👋
Sorry to hear that you did not like my quality this time, sorry. I know that not all people appreciate the sound of the 4-cyl displacement as I do. In regards to throttle response, we do have a different opinion. Never the less thank you for watching and your subscription.
@@JankoLind Sound of the engine is worse when starting up and cold. Sounds is it will fall apart. Red callipers for a green exterior? Black suits better. However, an additional cost of 8.600 Swedish kronor. Interesting view this 2.5-litre turbo versus 4-litre nat. asp. 6-cylinders. Your advice makes a pre-owned 2.5 a bargain purchase.
I'm conflicted because I don't think the red calipers look good on green, but I do think having red calipers is great because it reminds you that you have high quality brakes (even though they are steel), maybe there should be optional colors for the steel brakes as an option.
There is an option to make them black. You will be reminded each time you brake and when you drive, you don't see the color of the calipers.
Janko Lind true, I guess black just feels too un-special. I wish other colors were available
Thanks for the video Janko - good to see you back. I'll raise a glass of Tallbergs Festbrannvin to you and your channel this Christmas. Best Wishes.
Cheers Julian, Tallbergs is a good one. Take care and Merry christmas.
The torque curve of the 4.0 requires keeping the revs over 5,000 RPM to get the best out of the engine and with the long gearing in the manual you'll be traveling at some very high speeds. So the problem with the 4.0 is that it will be driven very fast. Who on earth would want a sports car that goes very fast?
Everybody would like to have a fast sports car. But I don't agree with your comment. There is absolutely no problem with the gearing, you need to drive it differently, please have a look at my GT4 review for more information. Also, my point exactly, you need to rev the car 5000 rpm + which the chassis can not handle.
@@JankoLind Yes. You do have to drive it differently which means driving miles of B roads in second and third gear. As for your statement that the chassis can't handle going over 5,000 rpm? That's ridiculous. Every commentator mentions that the gears are too long and no one says anything about the chassis apart from the fact it's among the best available from any manufacturer. I respect your opinion but you're an outlier and I disagree.
@@sanderabernathy6276 as I always say, there is a Porsche for everybody, for me the 2.5 litre displacement fits the chassis better and is a more fun to drive but the experience could be different for other drivers. Try 1st and 2nd gear on b-road you will be surprised.
I would love to see the 4.0 in the 992 T that would be amazing !!!!!!!
That's, would put shadow ower the GT3... Thanks for watching and subscribing.
@@JankoLind i think it would not be very quick..992 is pretty big with over 4000lb gross vehicle weight rating.
Hi janko, thank you for your insightful review. It seems that major car mags did the comparison Spyder vs GTS 4.0 a little superficially. They told - Yep the engine and power delivery is pretty much the same but not so the chassis. Also this particular car with Alcantare/leather interior and carbon trim, pricewise is very close to the Spyder. If i was looking for better day by day convenience, i'd look no further than a regular 718 or 718 T. On the other hand i agree with you for the appreciation of the turbo 4, 2.0 or 2.5. where the majority of media bashed this engine a lot since its launch in 2016. Before the Spyder i owned a nicely specced 718 2.0 and even in comparison with the former it was really very good value for money.
In my opinion the Phyton Green works better on the Cayman. For the Boxter i'd prefer Miami Blue or Lava Orange like special colours. For the calipers absolutely black, especially with green, red is not a great match imho. I regret not having specified black on my white Spyder, i have black rims instead.
Sorry for the late answer, your comment was stoped in spam, don't know why?
The chassis in the 4.0 GTS is the same as in the 2.5 GTS. GT4 and Spyder have a motorsport chassis wish will cope with a more intense engine such as the NA 4.0. If you buy a GTS 4.0, I do recommend everybody to upgrade the chassis and tires. But then again in your financial calculation, you will be better of with a GT4 Spyder or the 2.5 GTS for a more suited daily driving car. Black calipers make the car look really good but red with white is not bad at all. I try to explain that it's not about if the calipers are painted or not, its all about it needs to match the color of the car.
I like red calipers on cars with the body color: White, red, black and sometimes silver.
@@JankoLind Thanks for your reply Janko, my Spyder just passed its first birthday. If i'd get a new one today, i'd be tempted to go with PDK gearbox, albeit i generally prefer manual gearbox, i assume the former has much better gearing. Especially 2nd gear is extremely tall with manual.
P.s. Had a chat with mydealer the other day, he told me that their allocation for new GT3 this year (6-7 cars) is already booked. Also they will only have 2 Spyders for 2021
Honest , amazing , vlog. Merry Christmas
Thanks, Derek, it's my honest opinion...
@@JankoLind I tested a car earlier in the month and thought it was over powered. Looking forward to more reviews in 2021! D
Very well observed and completely aligned with what I've found as an owner. Refreshing after so many rave reviews that don't align with my experience. I love so much about it, but have found the dynamics and the engine sound to be less inspiring than I had hoped.
Happy that we are alined. Take care :-)
Look forward to your review - I’ve been fortunate to test drive the 4.0 GTS to compare to my Boxster T so will be interested to see if you reach the same conclusion as I did .
I am curious of your comments and comparison to the Boxster T with a 6-speed manual I hope :)
I believe you will be satisfied.
@@JankoLind so your conclusion is for the non-GT chasis the 2.5 or 2.0 fits better, the 4.0 makes the chassis we can say "nervous" if you downshift, hi-rev on a b-road, but the chassis feels underperforming if you keep the gear on low rpms because low torque curve compared to a turbo? if that is true then you only need to get the 4.0 in a non-GT chassis only if you care about.. the sound? what about if you drive a bit more than only b-roads? i think the real conclusion is get a 4.0 if you drive more on autobahn or open fast roads and/or tracks and or if you care about the sound and specifically in b-roads you are willing to drive with a bit more nervous chassis as a compromise because of the power delivery of the 4.0. In the end the 2.0 and 2.5 engines are more suitable for a non-GT chassis but they can feel a bit underpowered in big open tracks but the compromise is not the nervous chassis but the flat-4 sound like a Porsche 912 but with turbo noises added.
Hi Janko, Refreshing to hear you views and I agree ; for me the 4 cylinder suits the 718 better ( I could sense the extra weight of the 4L over my T!) - we’ve chatted before and you know I’m a 911 fan from owning several 911’s including 911GTS to my 991.1 GT3 but when I wanted a change to convertible the 911 felt so much less agile . And my T has seen some good track time at tighter tracks she keeps up with everything and yes at Silverstone Full GP circuit she was overpowered by friends GT4 and GT3 - but she still went past a lot of other 911’s, and you can use so much more of the cars available ability on the road .
@@robertoc.martineza.3719 Spot on if you ask me.
Janko good to see you back in action man! Let's get the review of your new 992 too!
I will do something, you do know I have a playlist from my privies 992 Carrera S?
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Yeah I think the red calipers totally work with the green. Even without considering the reflectors. Are the darker reflectors road legal? Here in Germany that's always quite problematic to do.
No not legal
You can tell Janko is a Spyder-man
I agree, ore a driver-man, in general GT-cars suits my religion the best. But remember all Porsches are a beauty to drive...
Thank you for making the video, and for your review. Some people don’t like your conclusions, but this just goes to show why you need to see lots of reviews, because reviewers are human and have their own individual preferences. Sometimes it depends when and what conditions you test and drive the car, what sort of roads. Recently one magazine put the BMW M2 competion last in its reviews of Best Drivers Car, another magazine made it their Car of the Year. How come? The first magazine drove it in terrible weather where its Cup tyres were a nightmare.
Janko, you don’t really like the GTS4.0 that much, that is fine. I think perhaps the B Roads in Scandinavia are perhaps a lot less rough and bumpy that ours in the North of England, here the slightly softer suspension and better ground clearance can give the GTS (either 2.5 or 4.0) an advantage over the GT4 or Spyder, maybe if you drove the car here you might see the benefit of the GTS4.0? Maybe not, and I’m sure you would still prefer the 2.5, but that car is no longer available as a new car.
Hi Graham, Big thanks for your contribution to our community. I agree, condition matters. I can not compare the UK and Swedish roads true. You are right I would prefer the old GTS and perhaps, in this case, I would go for the 718 Boxster S, get a more "complete" product, and as a bonus, money on the bank. I understand that my thoughts are not in line with the general public but one thing you need to give me in comparison to other reviewers, I ONLY drive Porsche and I own my own.
Big thanks for the time you spend on my channel, and perhaps you have honored me with your subscription.
@@JankoLind Absolutely, it's your honestly held opinion and I respect that. No one car is right for everyone, we all have our preferences and priorities.
Thanks for the review! I am choosing between the gts 4.0 model and the 991.2 base model for daily driving, since it's my first porsche, any advice?
In comparison with the GTS 4.0, go with the 991.
@@JankoLind Ha Ha depends on how we use our vehicle for daily driving. A Cayman if no kids and besides, we can load 5 packages of beer 24 cans and 4 boxes, 3-litres, of wine easily. 911 is not for elderly people in regard to this transport requirement.
I may be wrong, but I think that Porsche may have dialled back the front end response of the GTS by keeping the camber quite low. I imagine with more camber (via camber plates), it drives much closer to the Spyder, and you can almost have your cake and eat it. With the amount of torque on offer the smaller tyres on the GTS probably aren't that much of a detriment outside of a track, where ultimate lateral grip might be needed.
From what I know of these cars, I'd want the more liveable car, with leather not alcantara, but perhaps sharpen up the front end, which might have been kept a bit weak on the GTS to give the Spyder more kudos. I know the Spyder has the rose joint bits but 1.4 degrees of front camber seems very tame on the GTS, probably on purpose.
just by a Öhlins chassie.
Boxster GTS 4.0 with AP Racing brakes, Ohlins Road&Track, wider tires for summer. Does it become a daily driver Spyder replacement?
That is a car!
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Merry Christmas, Janko!!!
Merry Christmas, Timo :-)
Janko - thanks for the review. Did you buy, install and cut your own film to tint the reflectors down from the bright red (8 min mark) or did you buy those online pre-cut? Looking to do the same to my Spyder. Thank you.
Hi Random, Autoshield made it for me bu it is easy, cut it yourself. Try at least, not very costly if you fail, right...
Great commentary!!
Thanks
Janko will prefer the 4 cylinder, and he will be wrong!
Well, you might be right except for you last word, it should be right ;-)
Hi Janko, great test!!
I own a 718 GTS 2.5 manual, stage 1 - 530nm - 415/420 hp, and I love curvy mountain roads, no circuit. If you where in my position, would you consider to change to GTS 4.0 manual?
Do you think 2.5 GTS will be better valued in the future?
Wish you all the best and Merry Christmas from Barcelona !!
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What would you think about the GTS 4.0 with a Öhlins Road and Track upgrade?
In this case, the problem is addressed and managed. Remember the GTS 4.0 has the same chassis as the Cayman T and as all of you know I was very happy with my Öhlins upgrade. YES, that will decently address the problem that the engine does not match the chassis.
I have ordered a GTS 4.0 but still hesitating about choosing PDK. Tested it on 4cyl GPS and it was amazing. Opinion?
I have a GTS 4.0 Boxster. I chose PDK for daily driver use, but I also love it for backroad playtime. I was also won over on test drives of the 4cyl 718. There is still plenty of driver involvement, because the paddles are so responsive, and the car feels completely unhinged when slamming through gears on the curves.
Thank you both for contributing to our community. I would put my money towards the chassis or tires to get more out of the car rather than a PDK. If you are going to daily your car, perhaps a PDK is a preferred option?
My 987 is manual, and the 320/520 prior to that were manual too. It's just getting stuck in UK traffic and frequent traffic lights often ruin the manual experience.
If disecting such fine details in respect to 2.5t vs. 4.0 you may not ignore the slight turbo lag of 2.5t in lower rev range where 4.0 is torque light, but more sonorous and lag free. As it is obvious, in my experience 4.0 is better then 2.5t, if ignoring tax and co2.
Thanks for your comment, Reinis. If you have a turbo Porsche above 2 000 rpm it is extremely difficult to feel any turbo lag. That goes for the 992 also. But wish is my favorite, NA wins my heart in the engine department but that's just emotions...
Thanks again another great video.
Thanks for watching Gord.
I like your hat - what make is it and do you have a link to why they can be bought? Thank you
It was given to me by Johan. It is merchandise from a company in Sweden called Still Sparkling. If you live in Sweden, you might encounter this brand if you order sparkling water at a fancy restaurant. For the record, I do like the hat.
I love the red calipers
I think you are really Jason Statham, taking time out between movies to give us good advice here!
Thanks :-)
Fabulous review Janko I have a Spyder allocation and wondering about Python Green what do you think?
I got GT Silver with silver wheels and red interior, classic
Would think twice about green
The Spyder is a bit difficult, it has a lot of history to carry around. On GT-cars strong color is interesting, with its base from the IROC championships strong colors was applied to distinguish the drivers. The 718 Spyder is an extremely rare item, not many cars have left the Motor Sports department without a roof. looking at Porsches open classic sports cars, they were much more restraint in color selection. At the end of the day, you need to feel for YOUR car and the question you need to ask your self wish path is more important for YOU. Select the color you like and not what others think.
Janko Lind thank you Janko I really appreciate your thinking - decision for the new year. Also wondering about shark blue if becomes available. Merry Christmas and looking forward to more content in 2021
1 remark when 2.5 comparing to the 4.0 is the yearly Road Tax in many countries!
HUGH difference ...
Hi GT86, Agree very important to look at the local regulations when comparing cars. I try to inform when I have different data but overall, the local rules sometime makes a large impact on your selection. For me, regardless tax the winner in this battle is the GTS 2.5
Long live this republic of the USA. I am getting a 6.2 liter dodge this year
5:33 this place reminds me the 2019 Carmine Red Panamera GTS 😍
Merry Christmas Janko!!!
Merry Christmas Mr MXC
real world review.
Yes, Danny, I believe this is in real life. I drove the car for 7 days then I started the production.
Surprised you have not reviewed a manual 992 Janko
I have no access to any :-( If you know anyone with a manual 992 in the Stockholm area please let me know and I will test and produce it.
Great review, color is awesome. Controversially I wonder if many regular "weekend" Boxster drivers would be able to notice the 3cm difference in tire width? Totally agree that regular track drivers would notice the difference and many other differences between the way the way the GTS and the Spyder handle. That said, both are great cars as are the regular 718's.....a base Cayman with ventilated seat (for the crazy Southern US summers) would be awesome.
Thanks, 93455Driver, for contributing to our community via your comment. Yes, all 718 cars are beautiful to drive, as mentioned in my video, very balanced and it is possible to drive the car with "two fingers". Perhaps you have honored me with your subscription?
@@JankoLind Yep, have subscribed, amazed the subscription count is not higher, darned You Tube Algorithms. Best wishes for 2021!
@@93455Driver thanks I’ve given up the algorithms
Great video! Interesting to hear a different point of view for the 4 cylinder cars in the 718 platform. I think people simply just prefer the noise of the flat 6 over the driving abilities of the car. In the UK here people are very keen on the 4.0 GTS.....it doesn't run PS4s though here instead it is sold on pirelli P-zeros which is a bit of a strange one as I have heard great things about the Michilin's 🤔
Hi Sam,
Yes, I am one of few people that appreciated the sound of the 4 cylinders 718. That makes me more focused on the car's performance. Unfortionaltly it feels more like Porsche making money rather than the perfect mid-engine sports car. Don't get me started on the tires.
@@JankoLind Thanks for replying! I have seen your videos on the 2.0 718 Cayman T and it does seem a lot more pure......the less is more approach can work well in sports cars 👍
@@SamAustin in this case absolutely
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Hi Janko, great test!!
I own a 718 GTS 2.5 manual, stage 1 - 530nm - 415/420 hp, and I love curvy mountain roads, no circuit. If you where in my position, would you consider to change to GTS 4.0 manual?
Do you think 2.5 GTS will be better valued in the future?
Wish you all the best and Merry Christmas from Barcelona !!
Hi Ferida, I don't recommend you to swap your 2.5 GTS to a 4.0 that's a BIG NO GO for me. Not sure how your car handles the 530 nm, perhaps you should consider a chassis upgrade... If you are not already, please subscribe to my channel.
great review. glad you gave some love to the 2.5 GTS. seems like the faster car, so Harry's garage would take this car over the 992 base/S would you take the 4.0 over the 992? 991.2?
öhhh sorry, Vikas but I would go with a Macan before the 4.0 GTS.
@@JankoLind lol ouch..i like that you actively engage with the viewers, keep it up!
@@vikd4292 thanks Vikas
@@JankoLind off with his head
Hej Janko, Tack för inspirerande Review. I own a 718T and fully agree regarding your thoughts. I do wonder though how this 4.0 would feel and perform with added the Öhlins chassi? Mvh, Per Eric
Hej Per, you are absolutely right. If your ad an Öhlins Road and track chase to the 4.0 GTS then you have a perfectly balanced car between the chassis and the engine. Thanks for watching and perhaps you have honored me with your subscription.
@@JankoLind Självklart följer jag dig, dina insiktsfulla synpunkter hjälpte mig till beslutet att köpa en 718T Boxster, tack! Det jag saknar är dina synpunkter på mapping / chip trimning som ger helt ny karaktär till 718. Vi syns nog på något PC event efter pandemin.....
I love my 718 2.5 gts
you should, its one of the best Boxster every made.
Update - the wait is caused by TH-cam allocating a time slot.
I'm Sorry Gio but I need to gather my subscriber according to TH-cam to brake through TH-cam Algoritm.
@@JankoLind I apologise Janko. I did not understand the process you need to go through to get your review on TH-cam
@@Cars-and-Things No worries, If I don´t make a premiere a loose about 20% of viewers. I'm not the one making the rules. In principle, I fully agree with your first comment. Premiers is not my favorite.
If not the GTS 4.0, then would you take a Cayman T or a loaded Cayman S with all the performance features? The loaded S is the closest thing to a GTS 2.5.
Hi Dan,
That's a very good question. I would go for the Cayman T since I could get the buckets seats. They make a huge difference in the Art of Driving.
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@@JankoLind Already subscribed sir! I plan to use it as a daily driver with occasional track/autocross so the buckets are out of the question. I'm sure the T would have more performance than I could use. But there is the attraction of the S to have a bit more oomph. The GTS also, but I worry about the torque at lower revs when I'm just driving casually. And you have me worried about the engine/chassis dynamics, although everyone else seems to love the GTS.