Almost Brilliant: Why Porsche's New 718 Cayman GTS 4.0L is Not Good Enough
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.พ. 2025
- In today's video we are looking at the newly announced Porsche Cayman 718 GTS 4L - and seeing why, in my eyes, it falls some way short of the best of its predecessors. A great car, with many redeeming qualities, but just not brilliant.
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The Cayman GTS / GT4 have displaced the 911 as a purist sports car with manual gearbox and a naturally aspirated engine, I don’t need a coupe with useless backseats. This Cayman mid engine setup is the ultimate sports car coming from Porsche, this not about speed rather a sports car drive.
Hmmm, will petrolheads ever move away from being so purists. If you’re requirements for a “true sports car” are so specific, (manual box, N/A engine) you’re gonna have fewer and fewer options going forward and then you’re gonna make yourself miserable, by complaining manufacturers are doing it wrong and climate change has spoiled the car enthusiast world and blah blah blah.... Come on man, you have to give other models a chance and attempt to embrace turbo engines and autos. Like Porsche’s PDK, which I’ve heard is excellent. What sports car do you drive at the minute/have owned in the past?
@@magnustan841 you mean there will be fewer fewer “new car” options going forward. All these current models and those that will continue to be built until 2030 or whatever cut off point petrol car sales will be banned will all become future classics and be around for decades to come just like their classic predecessors are now. Also consider not every country has planned to ban petrol car sales so its possible petrol car production will continue for those markets.
@@nattcharles Hmm, maybe in less developed countries they will still allow the sale of ICE cars, because they don’t have the money to set up and maintain EV infrastructure. But what about the enthusiast? Do you see purists mindsets like yours changing? Will the desire for manual box / N/A engine combo continue to burn deeply? I mean not that many cars offer that nowadays and by now, I’m sure turbo engines have been proven for driving performance and excitement.
Please tell my kids the back seats in the 911 are useless, thanks.
Those seats are not useless when you have kids, like many of us do. My kids love the back seats in my 911.
I have owned a Boxster 718 GTS 4.0 since July 2020 and after 12.000 km I am delighted with the behavior of the car in all aspects. Before I had a Boxster 981 2.7 and the new 718 4.0 improves on the 981 in aspects such as steering, chassis and general behavior. In both the 981 and my 718 4.0 the suspension is the PASM -10 mm (optional in the GTS 4.0 compared to the PASM -20 mm) and in my opinion it is a very comfortable suspension on all types of roads.
My personal impressions of the GTS 4.0 are very favorable and differ greatly from what I heard in this video. Personally I find it a very fun car to drive, it is like my 981 but better in many ways and with a lovely engine, and so far it has given me nothing but satisfaction.
In answer to your question, yes a GTS should have GTS options/interior as standard. Surely the clue is in the name.
It certainly used to be standard. I have the 981 GTS and had to deselect it to go with standard full leather.
@@robbyoung7279
The GTS always gets Alcantara as standard that you could deselect if you want and change to leather.
The two additional ‘GTS interior’ packs referred to, are over £3300 now and were the same on the 981 GTS, 718GTS2.5 and now GTS4.0.
I specified all these cars from new and only on the 981, did I not go for it.
It’s a massive cost for some carbon fibre and stitching, but I really think it transformed the latter pair.
I went fro crayon GTS packs in both 718, as I’ve never enjoyed red stitching on black.
@@DontPanicDear Perhaps I'm mistaken then. It was 5 years ago and I still can't bring myself to part with it for one of the newer ones. I didn't like the 2.5 and I'm not really a fan of the 718 shape. Once the 992 comes out in GTS form, it might be a different matter.
@@robbyoung7279
No worries. The sure fire way to know if the packs were chosen, is if there is a grey / red GTS on the headrests.
I agree the 718 is less classic looking.
Porsche finally got rid of the last pretty Cayman styling cue, in those rear lights!
The 2.5 will always be the less sought after, for good reason. I went for it, as I’d become gradually more and more annoyed with the throttle mapping and fancied a change.
The 718 was a good bit faster and I lived with the sound as a daily. The only time it made me long for NA, was on the autobahn, where long flat out stretches sounded just loud and nasty!!
It was actually more natural to drive fast on a B-road though.
I’ve done very short videos of both if you click on my channel.
Our new 4.0 is black with gold wheels, so more of a retro JPS feel 🤓
All manual cars.
Good review, Jay - but I fear you may be in the minority when it comes to the GTS 4.0. There aren’t many cars for the money that can match, let alone better this beauty
That is how journalism should work:)
He drove it on cold roads with the Cup 2 tires, of course it is going to skip around. He would have had a better time on a nice warm day
Agree, I have seen countless videos and magazine articles all giving glowing reports on the GTS 4.0. as far as being a sports car that connects with the driver. Head scratcher...
How about the Lotus Emira?
Emira has better steering feel in my opinion but I only drove it for 20 miles or so. Porsche is better in other ways though. Both cars are top class
I respect you Mr JayEmm, though this time I think you’re off the mark with your analysis on the GTS 4.0
Totally agree with Max.
I would love to know the reasoning you both have
Like many others said the conditions and also the wrong rubber. I own one and every time I get in it, always put a smile on my face. My car is a daily driver and I think the car is spot on especially on horrendous A and B roads. Maybe have the car for a few weeks and you will think twice 😀
@@Badmastard Porsche put those tyres on it. They said I could only have the car for a few hours. Blame them!
@@JayEmmOnCars but there is a bigggg difference between the 2 tyres. Many owners will totally agree with me. You can’t blame the car by a few hours of driving.
By a 2014 boxster Italian owner: Jay, this car changes dramatically as temperature increases. It's pretty temperature sensitive :wet and cold, you feel uncomfortable and always on the edge with grip driving is not pleasant ; above 18 degrees, everything changes, becomes glued to the road, empathic,a great engaging road companion. 👍(p.s.: my one wears Pzero)
Agreed, especially with the P zeros. I will be glad when they actually are worn out so I can replace them with Michelin’s.
Get yourself some ps4s and come and check us out if you own a 981 lots of videos on little improvements 👍
Anche tu gts? Vero, poi in Italia abbiamo monti e mare... molta più varietà di strade... colline... se non fosse per gli autovelox saremmo un paese-pista...
That’s good to hear, I just bought one but only had a very short test drive and was impressed but didn’t push it at all. Maybe I’ll swap to PS4S fairly soon though, just had them on my Yaris and they are great 👍
So basically useless in Canada
How nice of them to let that homeless man have a go in these porches
He's well fed though !
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Think he is hangry.
😂😂😂😂😂
"PORCHES"? "PORCHES"? Ah yes, you must be the moron who enjoy watching the moving pictures, but has difficulty understanding the spoken word. What have you spent your, excuse me, our benefits money on, car wise?. MORON, is way too much of an insult to proper morons, how about WINDAE LICKER.
Looks like I will be sticking with the Aygo for a little longer then.
All things are relative ☺ James is comparing to a fancy V8 Vantage rather than an Aygo! There's a lot to be said for thrashing the nuts off a slow car for fun though...
@@ApothecaryTerry safe money until you can afford a GR Yaris😉
Fun little cars. Surprised you don't see them at track days with bike engines in them🤔
@@ApothecaryTerry The problem with powerful cars is that it's difficult to stretch their legs. And when you do you end up doing double, triple or more the speed limit.
You should test both cars again each with identical appropriate tires. As a Cayman owner, it seems to me that your traction and steering issues were caused by a poor choice of tire for the road and weather conditions.
I don’t know if anything has changed but I had a gts 2.5 for 2 years and the response from the steering wheel was very good, I could always feel the road and how much grip I had
Me too. 2.5 for 2.5 years 😃
Mine came with P-Zero and was great.
When I changed to Michelin PS4S, the car was transformed.
The car was just MORE Cayman!
I now have a new 4.0 on Michelins and the same is true.
The suspension has been reworked too, as the engine changed.
I recognise none of the Jay comments re pasm.
He also made a few mistakes re the drive modes and rev matching.
While I respect his opinion, he clearly didn’t have enough time in the cars, to make such definitive conclusions.
@@DontPanicDear Its the same steering rack in this car too. I have to say, mine felt great too so no clue what is going on here. I suspect he just doesnt like it or isnt used to it. He doesnt push the cars much and by the sounds of it doesnt really rev them out either. Its more of a slow cruise down a country lane which these cars aint really built for. I wouldnt say a rough bouncy road at slow speeds is the best way to get a feel for a cayman GTS. Most people love these cars but you need to really push them to get the most out of them though!
P-zero, cooler temps or maybe the alignment specs are off. But the 4.0/2.5 does skip around a bit which can be somewhat disconcerting, but to me it’s just the fun part of mastering the car
Behold the difference between a car salesman and an actual reviewer.
100 💯 kudos to Jayem for NOT rolling out video after video of brown nose garbage licking up to manufacturer U.K. press teams.
YT is awash with these paid promotions.
Jayem berates porkers and Beemers to be contrarian and appear to beimpartial , his high praise for a barrage of shite cars shows inconsistency in his approach. I suppose you can argue his reviews are relative to price ... I just see an obese Clarkson fanboy who purposely goes against his better judgement for clicks .... I still like his reviews though and commend his output rate
@@Andronicus26 you must be high! He gives his OPINON and as you watch more and more, you can see what he likes and doesn't like. Unlike most other car reviewers out there, who just parrots what the manufacturers' marketing team told them a few hours ago and MAY in passing mention a negative.
I like Jayem since he's very practical and treats reviews as if he's spending his OWN hard earned money on the car. Most others forget that you're paying a serious premium to get into many of these cars and there should be some reward for the premium you pay. We all understand the value curve (diminishing returns), but there should be some reward for it nonetheless.
At the end, if you're considering one of these cars, you owe it to yourself to go and test drive them and see how YOU feel. Who cares what ANY talking heads say on TH-cam? The car is for you, not others, assuming you're even in the market.
He made a good point...”He’s not Chris Harris”.
With that heft in driver seat any small car would have problems. The center of gravity has moved forward three feet forward and two feet right. That’s ridiculous.
I’ve just watched your review of the base 911 which was excellent btw….but it struck me that everything you felt was lacking in the 911 is fully evident in the GTS. I chose to purchase the GTS because (to me anyway) it now has the size and characteristics that older gen 911s once had….including a far more driver focused interior.
I have a very similar spec PyThon Green GTS4.0 but on Michelin pilot sport 4S tyres, which I believe are superior to the PZero tyres that appear to be fitted to the test car you drove, also think the ambient temperature will have had a big impact on traction. My experience is that the ride is firm but very good for a 400bhp sports car on 20 inch wheels. I do agree the GTS interior pack should be standard, but OPC’s make a tidy profit on ‘essential’ options, so I can’t see that changing. It almost feels like you didn’t have enough time with this or the 992 to properly appreciate them.
Agreed. More time needed to get used to them and work things out. Would have avoided the mistakes re drive modes etc.
If you only get a short time in each car, perhaps one could offer less rigid and definitive conclusions, or perhaps caveat the reviews with the drive duration etc.
Porsche are gits with this GTS interior thing!
They do give us standard sports plus seats and alcantara, still with the silver trim pieces. Those do match the steering wheel spokes though, so I never minded the ‘Basic’ GTS spec on our 981.
On the 2.5 and now 4.0 cars, we did opt for the packs. Crayon both times with the associated carbon trims. It does feel more special, but no way is it worth the money 🙈
Agreed re the tyres. I did a PZero to PS4S swap on the 2.5 car and it was transformed!
Those cars will always suffer most with traction on the PZ, due to the turbo midrange. Not an issue with the Michelin’s.
TBH, if anyone drives a Cayman and says it lacks traction, even on PZero, they were not really driving to the conditions and then expecting miracles. Cayman have exceptional traction!
Imagine if he’s have been flooring an M4 on those cold damp roads 👀
If he were to spend more time with it, he would get used to its weakness to the point of no longer becoming noticeable
I did mention I believe in the video conditions might have a part to play
@@BurgerCroissant
He’s right partially. No amount of bitching will get you the tyres you want. 80% have Pirelli.
Your 981 had the ancient N0.
New cars will have PZ4 N1 variants, that are way better than you had before.
Fingers crossed for PS4S.
BTW, there is only one production line for all sports cars. 911, Boxsters and Cayman all end to end at the same time.
GT, off roaders and hybrids are on other lines.
@@BurgerCroissant It is September now so.. How is the car? 😁
I'd love to know if you'd choose your old Evora 400 over these two Porsche's???
I thinkhe'd choose a transit van over a Porsche.....
I've owned Porsches, but yeah I would have a Lotus over these but only at sensible money. Not the £90k Lotus want
@@JayEmmOnCars
Yep...Lotus...better to drive 😎
Porsche...better made.👍🏻
Lotus over Porsche. Because Toyota V6. It makes the Evora less stressful to own IMO. I owned a BoxsterS 3.2L but in the back of my mind there was always the horror scenario of IMS bearing failure. It didn't happen but it could have...
The Evora is very close to a track day car. Can't compare.
I suspect the majority of Porsche drivers don't want steering feel. They'd probably think 'Why does the steering wheel keep moving about?' They want the badge, the looks, the cache, and, probably less so, the speed.
Each new iteration of sports cars used to be better than the previous one. But with EPS, turbos (usually), etc. (and soon, hybrid weight gain), I don't think that's the case anymore. Finances aside, I'd rather have a 997 than a 992, and a 458 over an F8 Tributo.
Does anybody know if the GT4 both 981 and 718 have a much better steering than the 4.0 ? I have driven the Exige 350 and when I say steering feel I mean similar to that one.. I know it’s not hydraulic in the 718/981 but is the Gt4 more similar to the Exige or still remains kinda numb?
@@mrt.789 Now bare in mind, I haven’t driven a sports car of any kind. From what I’ve heard, the Lotus steering is about as good as you’ll get in a modern car. In that sense I would say you’ve probably been spoiled for steering, so I don’t think anything will be quite as good if you’re talking modern Porsche. Again, haven’t driven any of them, but from what people have said, Lotus steering is very good, not that Porsche’s is really that bad. If I were to jump out of my pickup truck and drive a 992 911, I think I’d be pretty chuffed. All subjective, I suppose.
Depends on the Porsche driver. Badge, looks and cache were considerations for me but my biggest considerations were all about the way it drives (and the sound). I daily drive my 981S (well, weekly drive, because lockdown...but it's my only car), I'm assuming the steering is similar to this GTS and the amount of feedback is about right considering my usage. On a track I'd want more, but I certainly don't want more for long journeys. It's a perfect B road car for me.
The reason is simple: suspensions and tires have gotten so good and achievable speeds so high that the cars no longer provide the old school "road feature" feeling at lower speeds. You need to live between 80 - 160 mph for these modern sports car to deliver.. unless you drive a Fiesta ST or similar, for which the more traditional speeds are still a big deal. Just think about how these GTS and GT4 are geared: in normal drive, you'll never reach a 4th gear. And unless you try to make a track record on a kart track with them, they won't provide you any feel of limits at 0-60mph range. It's the downside of chasing for Nurburgring lap records.
@@ApothecaryTerry I agree. I just suspect that you are in the minority of Porsche owners. Hence they're happy that with each generation of 911, more connection with the car is lost (as long as it has bigger numbers, and is more luxurious). And they're also happy to buy 4-cylinder Boxsters/Caymans, and Cayennes and Macans in their droves.
Really subpar review. For starters, figuring out what constitutes the GTS interior is as easy as hitting the Porsche website where he'd easily find a full description of it in the car configurator. Also, you'd be hard pressed to find another reviewer out there who will take issue with the steering on a 718. I could go on... I don't think this guy can be taken seriously.
Sounds like offended Cayman owner.
Hahaha I was thinking the same thing! Also it’s struggling for grip because it’s a 400hp rear drive car being driven on a wet cold road…
Yeah this guy is completely incompetent, idk why people even watch this
I just can't say no to the 718 Cayman's good looks. It's my favorite Porsche, awesome design from every angle. For me, the car's shortcomings melt away as it comes into view - "hello good looking".
And then..... For no particular reason...... A Boxstet GTS 6 speed manual found a way into my garage and my car smile had yet to receed.
The lack of steering feel sounds like it might be the power steering plus option - which sounds like it should be an upgrade, but instead feels absolutely numb and disconnected.
The steering feel in my 718GTS (2018) is extraordinarily communicative and most people would never know it’s electric steering. According to Porsche, the 718GTS’s drive by wire steering control box was taken straight from the 911 Turbo.
100%
Power steering plus was my first thought too. Not an option for enthusiast driving. Tick that box for the moms driving Cayenne’s to Whole Foods and yoga.
Power steering + is for those that lack normal strength in their arms, like people with handicap, or arthritis... It is not something you want if you are a healthy normal person. I personally prefer no power steering at all....
Literally everyone says it’s the most confidence inspiring ride they’ve ever driven. They must all be wrong.
It seems that the general consensus is if it doesn’t begin with “911”, it’s never good enough....
I’ll take the 718 boxster spyder any day
Really? The video before this he was slating the 911. Lol.
And he likes basic cayman..
They are all good 👍
Couldnt disagree more. From what I saw in this review you didnt drive the GTS in his "power zone" - the fun starts around 5.000 and you switch between 2nd and 3rd gear to experience the best sports car currently on the market. Clearly the criticism of money/value is understandable, but thats something anyone can decide before buying. I dont regret having bought my silver 918 GTS 4.0 !
That’s the thing about these cars. They’re boring unless you’re you’re in the high rpms…and that normally results in ridiculous speeds when second gear will take you to 80mph. It’s no wonder 90% go for the auto when you only get 1 usable gear change in road driving. Definitely a blast in the high rpms though. I think they overly focus on refinement and luxury which gives you no real sporty feeling unless you’re pushing hard.
I too disagree with his review, which often have a contrarian opinion compared to most journalists. Drive the car and make your own opinion. The GTS 4.0 is one of the best sports cars “I” have ever driven. Well balanced, nimble, sedate when driven in city, a beast in the upper rev range in Sport +. Like every review, take it with a grain of salt and drive the car yourself before dismissing a car from consideration.
I drove the thing properly. I stand by my words. If you like em, fabulous - buy it and enjoy!
Came here for the shirt but found a trench coat 😂
Lmao!
Champing (not chomping) at the bit used correctly. Bravo!
This is interesting. I have never seen anyone write champing. Not a single time. Says a lot about how idioms change over time.
Some good points (many, however, I suspect caused by the "quality" of your road network) but no idea what you're on about re: the steering. For an electric rack it's superb. Not like an old car, but for an electric PS it is really really good. Maybe the car had a sh!t alignment, a lot of these cars come from the factory with the wheels pointing in various directions of wrong and a proper alignment makes worlds of difference. It is loads better than the steering in the 981 gen cars, which was kind of OK already to begin with. And with people like Harry M and Steve S singing its praises I can't help but think you either got an unusually bad example or are...wrong lol.
You’re right, I don’t understand the critique of the steering. It is virtually perfect. That being said, I don’t play video games so I don’t have a comparison!
The point is valid. Until u drive something that is good you won't know and Jay has for sure done that. After I bought a Giulia quadrifoglio and got used to its sharp steering I couldn't stand the vagueness of my 991...
@@inikkor61 I've driven just about any relevant car on the planet (well, not many American cars I guess) but that doesn't even matter because I am not among the world's best car reviewers. The people who ARE have driven many more cars than anyone, Jay included, and they _still_ say the complete opposite. I do agree on the Giulia steering, it's fantastic. Doesn't make the steering on a 982 GTS numb by any stretch of the imagination however. That's just a bizarre suggestion.
@@JCviggen1 who drove more cars and said complete opposite?
Who decided they are the best journalists?
@@lukazupie7220 Anyone who's been a known car journalist for a couple decades I guess? That's a lot of people who aren't Jay. If you're going to have an outlier opinion it doesn't help to be relatively new in the business and not actually employed by a reputable car magazine.
Strange outcome on this one, video felt a bit rushed, I guess you don't get long with the car and probably not the best time of year to test it fully. Pirellis in those conditions are a bit uncommunicative and slightly edgy, the PS4s are nicer. I would agree you need push a modern Cayman quite hard to get it to talk to you but when you do they are lovely things.
You’re not the only one thinking this mate...
I agree seems like he had half an hour up and down the same country roads close to PEC. Northamptonshire's roads are appalling, probably the worse in the country.
Almost every manufacturer gives out press cars for a week. Some a weekend.
Porsche want the car out and back on the same day.
@@JayEmmOnCars hasn't done them any favours, thanks for the response Jay 👍
Totally agree....
Could the tires be the problem with the traction problem?
Jay is not going to get invited to review porsche cars any more I feel. 🤣🤣🤣
Yep! Also my thought. But I’m glad he’s honest and not pandering.
He states himself that he wasn't particularly enthusiastic about the cars previously but Porsche still asked him. They should be able to take an honest and one person's review on their cars.
A true reviewer job is to serve me and you, not the rich manufacturer. Well done Jay! Subscribed.
Confident manufacturers would talk the criticism to correct themselves and provide responses to criticism
but McLaren for example, who are too sensitive and lack confidence, made big issues of valid criticism
I'm not sure Porsche follows which, but from the recent incident of admitting the 4 cyl was a mistake
and bringing back GT4 while they said they aren't
they look like searching for people's satisfaction
@@inikkor61 I agree with that. I was merely pointing out porsche might turn sour towards him. 🤣
You don't need the Chrono pack to get the mode knob, or the overtake button in the middle of it.
I can't get away from the idea that he can be a fantastic top gear host next to Harris. His comments are very unique and bold and his shirts will be enough to complete him as an iconic host.
Good shout
Unfortunately he'd bore the pants off every member of the general public who watches Top Gear for entertainment purposes.
@@R03333 I like Jay, but it’s true. Don’t think he’s meant for entertainment television.
Are you suggesting that the steering feel here has taken a step back from where it was with earlier electric steering systems? I haven't heard any reviewers complain about Porsche steering feel since they switched to electric steering around 08. I was under the impression that they had only improved from there. All I have heard is that Porsche's system is the best electric steering for feel although certainly worse than the old hydraulic.
It feels almost the same as a 20 year old GT3 if you are talking about feedback. It's just feel slightly softer on B-roads. But in exchange it's safer and more reliable.
I think you need to drive one of these in the summer with some proper michelin rubber on it
Wow, that was an underwhelming result for the GTS 4.0, I was expecting a rave review.
You and me both
this guy's wrong
Because UK roads in the wintertime are this car's target market.
I’ve driven it in the cold on the standard tyres. But with the no cost option PASM dropped by 10 not 20mm. Great drive, compliant and accurate.
As cars have gotten better and faster (on paper at least), most of them have also lost something. They're just not as _fun_ as they used to be. Lot of it has to do with weight. The driving experience is simply not as rewarding as it once was. You no longer feel like you've mastered a vehicle due to your own skill.
A 718/982 isn't really any heavier than an old 987 while a 981 is lighter than either. I think you're generally right but in this case it seems there are other issues. I think the electric steering and electronic assists are probably a big factor in this case, as well as suspension setup.
Do you think car enthusiast-type people desperately want for manufacturers to return to the “good ol’ days”, or are yours and other people’s thoughts just a mere observation between cars of yesteryear and today, and you actually appreciate modern day sports cars?
A Miata is a more back to basics fun sports car due to its size and weight. The overall fun and price makes it a really better buy IMO.
The problem is, manufacturers do what the masses want.
Alfa 4C and Lotus Elise didn't explode like convenient cars like the cayman, although they are more visceral and engaging.
Agreed, and besides the weight I would add electric power steering, turbos and the almost complete lack of manual transmissions to the list of items that dilute the experience.
Still keeping it real and honest despite the manufacturers manipulation of journalists. Well done J
Sounds like Harry Metcalfe had a different view in his Boxster 4.0 GTS video
not only Harry...this is a strange review from James....he is practically the only one that has critised it driving abilities
@@lonewarrior1543 Which is a bit problematic when your driving credentials are significantly inferior to the people you're disagreeing with...
Because this guy hasn't got a single clue about engineering or how actually cars work. FFs, another youtuber/influencer who has a platform and has no background. He doesn't even know how to pronounce Porsche, what'd you expect?
@@AlexuuMetaaL He does know how, but if you don't say Mercedes the same way a German does than why would you also do the same for Porsche? It's a dumb talking point. I disagree abt this review, tho.
@@ogdenwernstom4085 it’s not the same thing. People won’t change their habits or how they’re used to do things generally, if that doesn’t directly impact their life. Or they’re forced to do it. Due to commodity, or just plain superficiality or ignorance.
Things cannot/shouldn’t be explained “if that happens with the Mercedes, than why it should happen with anything else?” On the same respect, why would one finish college? Bill gates left Harvard and he’s successful. And impactful. And so on..
When mainly because is much harder to pronounce correctly Mercedes. And people got used to pronouncing the Porsche brand correctly, not because is its German pronunciation. It just sounds plainly better.
So, yeah it’s useless commentary and I lost 4 min and a half writing this down, but this guy still hasn’t learned a thing about cars. Nor others like him, shmee mrjww, sol. At least we get to see the cars. At least..
I like your reviews and you clearly know a thing or two but agree with others review of 4.0GTS is harsh. I got the leather seats and had crests put on the headrests and like the look. I dont go for the interior addenda personally so options restricted but did get climate control which should be standard for sure, and Aventurine green which suits a man of my advanced years and the car. I find compared to my previous M2 ride is much better and the observation from my wife was that she feels much less 'thrown around' at similar speeds in the Cayman. I find I'm getting lots of communication from the steering and its just incredibly balanced whatever I do with it. Comments on round urban seem different to my perception, I find it very happy to bumble round at 30mph, its easier to keep the speed down in 3rd rather than 4th but I dont feel its running away with me. Gearing is long but again its pulls all through the range so I can use higher gears if I'm driving briskly and go down the box for overtakes and slip roads to hear the full 8k revs. Overall its a magnificent machine, I cant imagine what would be better as an exploitable road car daily. Even though it was a stretch for me to afford it I have zero regrets. For me the number one question mark on your review of both cars is how on earth do you expect to get proper feel from the steering when your movement is so clearly restricted by wearing a massive coat? Surely you could have taken it off, I never wear a coat in the car because it is so restrictive of movement.
Credit to you, these two reviews of the Cayman and 992 are possibly the best, most honest, pertinent and perceptive reviews I've ever watched. (Who else does a 3 point turn test!) Well done and thanks.
Not sure what to make of these reviews. Can’t quite believe an enthusiast could drive a new 911 and Cayman (especially this one) and come away not liking either.
I swapped the P Zeros on my base 981 Cayman for Goodyear Eagle F1s and almost everything improved - grip, traction, compliance, noise. I mention it because my experience of the GTS 4.0 is almost completely at odds with yours.
Also, yes, Porsche are stingy with standard stuff (always have been) and no the speedo isn’t an issue because every Porsche driver looks at the digital speed display in the rev counter (as I think you know).
Are you being extra picky just to be contrary?
Hey Jay, great video. I appreciate the review and your honest opinions. I'm curious though...what's your thoughts on the 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 vs. the 981 Cayman?
I have a '22 slightly modified BMW M340i xDrive and love it. That said, Porche's have always been on my bucket list. I have aspirations of getting a Cayman GTS and I am considering a 981 or 718 4.0. For a back road, "drivers car" which would you take?
Thanks,
J.
You loved 981 GTS Boxster, is this so much worse?
As a 2021 C2S owner, I am considering trading in for a 2022 Cayman GTS 4.0 PDK, what are your thoughts?
You complain about steering and traction,you’re not even pushing the car 2/10ths.
Are you on optimum tyres? I suspect not. You’re comparing cars that aren’t set up for a decent comparison.
James, I know this is an old video but if faced with the option of either buying the 718 GTS 2.5 vs 718 GTS 4.0 vs 981 GTS -- what would you choose?
I’m finally in a position to get one for weekend road driving but steering feel is by far the most important characteristic for me. The 987s are high in mileage here Australia so I’m left with the options above.
Very interesting - your review has picked up issues that none of the other reviews have mentioned. I suspect because few reviewers use real world B roads in winter conditions! How much do the tyres contribute to the edginess I wonder? Another great review Jay.
And P Zero's
Steve - after I filmed my review I watched a few others to see if we agreed. I was amazed none of them had issues with the suspension - but then most of the reviews were on glorious smooth European roads!
@@JayEmmOnCars this is why I don't trust most reviewers. Every car that comes out is better than everything they've recently reviewed and it's obvious they're still high from the steak and wine that the manufacturer gave them last night. Reviewers have become the marketing arm of manufacturers, rather than proper reviewers.
Case in point, I have a 2018 BMW M2, which is supposed to be one of their sportiest fun to drive cars. Almost a throwback to the E36 M3 I used to own. And yet the steering and suspension in it is ABYSMAL. I prefer the feel of my 2019 Tesla Model 3. A TESLA feels better and more sporty. That's just sad and I'm not sure I'll ever get another BMW.
I really applaud you for your honesty. Hope it doesn't impact your relationship with Porsche. When you pay a premium for premium cars, you expect a bit more for your money than just a badge.
@@brois841 Agreed. I had a 2017 M2 and the suspension was indeed harsh and incredibly unsettled on "normal" everyday road surfaces. Steering feel tuning was surprisingly worse than my Golf R that preceded it.
@@brois841 I agree 100% with your comments. And that's why I like Jay's channel so much. His critisicm may not be a problem for someone. Everyone has to decide that for themselves depending on their own use and conditions. But indeed in most movies it is all sunshine.
For this reason, I never buy a car/bike without half day testdrive. No posibility for a test drive, no sales. 😉
The more Porsche videos l watch the more l love my 2020 ND Miata Club Spec.
Seconded.
The answer is always Miata
I was lucky enough to go from an ND Club to a Cayman R. Gotta say that as much as I loved the ND, I love the R more!
After watching the full vid it appears to me that you dislike Porsche.
Harrys garage did a great review of this car, he looked so happy
driving it and recommended it, he loved it.
And Harry knows his onions.
I think there must be something wrong with the geo on that car, but you must also remember a proper sports car (which this is) isn't going to behave on a typical post winter UK B road very well, only a Range Rover product or similar will do that. The GTS 4.0L is a superb machine make no mistake.
Perform, maybe not - but it should still have decent feeling. The weather can contribute in part, but beyond that it's all car
But the Cayman is so much prettier ,,, and that simply seals the deal. Well it would for me.
Could it be the `tyres? as well as the cold B road with damp patches.
Certainly. The Pirelli ditch finders were in place on the Cayman. Get rid of them ASAP!
I can't see Porsche releasing a car with such poor road manners , the Cayman has always been such a brilliant car if not always overshadowed very cleverly by the 911. It's the "jittery" steering that James mentions I can't get my head around , there's clearly something wrong .
Strange review, all the other journalists love it !!
Yeah, it is strange. He must’ve gotten up on the wrong side of the bed.
I just reviewed the car as it was presented to me, same as all the others
I have a Cayman 981, 2.7. The most fun car I have ever driven. It is so true that it is more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow. I also have a manual 997 Turbo 1.5, and the speed of that is great but the Cayman makes me smile more 😊
Glad you're not Chris Harris! You'd drive and review your cars like how we would drive our cars most of the time. Keep it up JayEmm
Thankyou
Good review although at 7:10... the mph what’s the issue if you have a digital mph at the bottom of the Rev counter? Bit fussy if you ask me.
Ehhhh instead of GBP1250 for GTS Interior Package, for an extra 300 quids over that you can get extended leather interior in Bordeaux Red/Crayon/Luxor Beige. Expensive? Yes. But at least it's not blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack over blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack with 1250 quids worth of stitching and seat belt. PDK or manual? In GTS there's no problem in choosing either, both are brilliant.
Sadly here in Indonesia I was told by Porsche that the possibility of getting a 4-litre GTS is small, since the taxation here is atrocious for cars with cubic capacity bigger than 3-litre. GT4 and Spyder is coming because the market do exist, but the GTS 4.0 probably won't supersede 2.5 here. Not completely unavailable, but would be difficult.
Honestly it seemed like jay was just in a bad mood today and took it out on the car
What kind of workouts do you do for C1-C7
Bit whiney. Nothing seems to impress jayemm unless it's from the late 90's or early 00's. To be fair that was indeed a golden age for enthusiast cars.
The Alpine was great. I also loved the Taycan, and Cayenne.
@@JayEmmOnCars You liked the Cayenne? I recently drove the new Cayenne GTS and Turbo; both were underwhelming and that's before looking at the price tag.
So Jay, I am in the market for a special trip weekend warrior that my wife will get in. Its a car I want to keep for a decent amount of time. In the past I have had a few lotus's, a couple of 911's and a Boxster (a few models ago) . I would prefer a convertible. I have a run out model Elise 240 deposit ( now all sold out) I Really loved the evora, but think its a bit too complex , can be unreliable and suspect will depreciate pretty quickly whereas the Elise won't. The Alpine sounds great but for a weekend warrior, is it special enough and I do prefer a manual. The 718 GTS4.0 was working its way to the top of the list, so I am surprised at this. You can spec a higher i.e 10mm drop spec which I would do. You drove cold wet roads and maybe in sport, is the suspension really that bad. I really respect your challenging reviews but what would you buy?
I was given the previous 2.L GTS for the day while my macan was being serviced and it was actually very good! Felt very raw and more than fast enough, traction issues too though above 5000 rpm. Could be the better value car used as it wasn’t much loved.
I borrowed one and was left quite cold by it. Just found it a bit lacking in feedback and a bit boring.
Indeed, and the 20 way seats aren't comfortable gave me chronic cramp. May have been the pedals though.
Probably didn’t drive it properly then mate..
@@subaruboy54 I’d say I did, there are just far more exciting cars out there. My Exige for example makes the GTS steering feel about as connected as the steering of a cruise ship by comparison.
What do you think about the suspension and steering in the gts 4.0 vs the Spyder on the same roads? Same drawbacks?
Checked out the Cayman GTS interior package on the porsche configurator:
"...Stitching, seatbelts, the rev counter dial and the “GTS” logo on the headrests can be chosen in the contrast colours of Crayon or Carmine Red. The package also includes floor mats with Black edges, with the stitching and the “PORSCHE” logo in a contrasting colour. The dashboard, door panel and centre console trims are all in carbon. The optional GTS interior package is based on the optional leather interior with additional Alcantara® features"
So basically some Alcantara & some Carbon trim.
I have a friend who is contrarian, always like to go against the popular believe, sometimes just for the sake of being different.
How does this compare to the 981 boxster gts jay? Which one do you prefer?
I can only assume the car he was driving was in some way broken. The Boxster GTS 4.0 that I currently own is only car in which I have turned off all stability systems on quite challenging roads (West coast Highlands, wet Swiss alpine passes etc) and come out the otherside with big grin. Its incredibly predictable and forgiving. Its only vague if you don't put some weight on those front tyres in long fast turns, for example on gentle acceleration that the nose drifts wide. Anyway back to work...
Surprised at this review, thought you would love it! Curious to hear if you liked this more or less than the last gen 981?
Noticed it was running on Pirelli tyres! could they be the weak link? quite often iv'e heard of people fitting Michelin and never looking back!
I'd certainly prefer Michelin
@@JayEmmOnCars Must confess once I discovered the Michelin brand many moons ago I never looked back, then in 2019 I got a new golf and in came with Dunflops as I call them, replaced the fronts at about 13k with Michelin and it transformed the car
Are you sure you spent enough time with this car to fully appreciate it. Your opinion seems to differ from every other review I have seen on this car.
I spent as long with it as Porsche would let me
If this GTS were available when I ordered my 718 Spyder I would have gone with it as I dislike my manual convertible top compared to the power top of of GTS convertible. What can you do?🥶
How is the rev match in the Toyota Yaris? What is messed up about it? I didn’t like the rev match in the civic type r either, coming from the gt4
maybe it is the tires or air pressures that are "off?" Confounding.
The Cayman GTS appeared to attract universal praise and you sit incongruously in that company....that's not unusual for you and it would make me think twice about this car....well done James...this is when you are at your best....straight talking non product driven or incentivised......
Thanks Michael. The thing is people will assume I am deliberately "going against the grain" to be controversial - but I don't watch or read other reviews until after my own so I genuinely have no idea what people have said
A review completely at odds with the conclusions of Harry Metcalfe & Henry Catchpole, both of whom singled out the steering for particular praise.
Personally, I wouldn't base any purchasing decisions on JayEmm's reviews.
I wouldn't want anybody to make a purchasing decision based solely on my views
Now convinced the 997 is the sweet spot of the water cooled 911s. Have the bigger PDK 991.1 now but it replaced the manual 997.2 - which was still small enough to be fun on the back roads and steered like a dream. Guess what I’ll be reverting to in due course.
The normal tyre pressure is 35psi, but Porsche also have a comfort pressure of 30psi for speeds under 165mph. Would be interesting to do the same test with the two different tyre pressures. Not sure what difference 5psi would make.
Not usually a fan of green cars and not a fan of black wheels but this car looks awesome!!
Sounds like you need to revisit this car in warmer weather Jay?...
I drove the Boxster a few months after, no different
@@JayEmmOnCars fair enough!! 🙂👍
I think it comes down to tire and alignment. I remember having excellent steering feedback on my 718’s. However the 991.2 and current 992 doesn’t have as good of a steering feedback even after alignment. PS4S tires did help a little though.
I’ve never heard anyone complain of the steering feedback in that car before this. Rated one of the best out there by car and driver, all others
Very nearly ordered the 718 GTS when it had the four pot. I would have jumped out a window if I had and this 4.0L dropped 🤣🤣 test drove a Cayman S at the time and it put me off completely. Salesman even tried to say the diff wouldn’t make a difference etc so I was hitting my head against the wall off the bat. Got back in the M2 and it was way more fun. Even the interior wasn’t that far off if you haven’t gone for the extended leather options on the porker.
Great review! Hope this car will drive 981 GTS and GT4 prices down!
Yes please! I still like that one much more
I wish Porsche still built 944’s; bring back the working class Porsches! 😂👍
You are right in saying that you are not Chris Harris. But you don’t need to be. You bring views that are more practical that apply to the real world of an owner driver. Shame about the jittery ride of the GTS and the lifeless steering. Enjoyed both videos in this series. Well done guys.
I don't know why Porsche insist on the Pirelli ditch finder 3000s. Stick a proper tyre on it and you'll be amazed.
Maybe they only test the tires in very warm climate in the summer in Spain or something... As I understand it the Pirelli tires are horrible on cold wet roads.
Well that's a surprise, I expected this car to be amazing.
Car is amazing. This is just the reviewers "personal" opinion. And like they say, we all have one. The consensus is that it's an amazing car. We all don't have to agree.
I own one and this guy is clearly lost! What an absolute fail by this guy! It’s obvious he is biased towards the 911. I’ve been driving a cayman since 2008, have had one base, one S and two GTS’s the 981 and 718........seriously,, guy is completely clueless! 🤣🤣
Everything he says is quite the opposite!
Test drive the car and see for yourself... this dude is all bullshit.
@@svgitana2499 he is biased against 911 if anything, he doesn’t like it lol.
@@svgitana2499 btw, maybe u are also a bit biased?:))
Isn't it a problem with the Power Steering Plus? Maybe that would explain why so many people have different opinions on how great and how desapoiting the steering are on those!
never had any issues with the 981 GTS on PZeros. I have driven in wet and cold on B roads and the car sticks to the road at high speeds...infact gets sturdier as the speed goes up...plus the sound of 981 is so amazing..
Maybe wrong tyre pressure in the 718?
Disclosure: I love Porsche and have owned many in last 25 years. However I can’t help thinking that if this were any other manufacturer, we would see this as a “run out / end of line special” model. It is after all a car launched back in 2012. Interior is essentially unchanged in 9 years and other than the rear name plate stretched over rear and the 4 point headlights it’s essentially the same visually. It all smacks a little of the Aston DB9 into Vanquish VH platform “mutton dressed as lamb” style evolution ... which for underfunded Aston was a necessary way of life, but for Porsche, signals that they are milking it. Perhaps all the spare profits used to pay for Taycan development 🤔
To be fair, have Porsche ever been any different? The 964 shape was fundamentally unchanged from the 60's. Porsche evolves rather than reinvent. I believe that the 718 is much changed underneith.
It's because it is the last one with an IC engine.
I have owned in this order a 1998 911 Carrera manual, a 2011 911 CS4 PDK, 2012 Cayman R manual, 1988 928 PCA SP2 class race car, PCA 2006 Boxster S F class race car, PCA 2006 Cayman I class race car, a 2016 Boxster S manual, a 2022 Boxster GTS 4.0 PDK, and currently a 2024 Boxster GTS 4.0 manual as a daily driver and a 2021 GT4 PDK as a track toy. My message to you is please stop reviewing Porsche cars that are meant for the track if you're not going to test and compare them on track. It sends shivers down my spine when someone like you reviews a GTS or GT4 on the street. These cars were designed for people like me NOT for people who want to say they own a Porsche and drive them on the road only. Your review of the Cayman GTS 4.0 was WAY off base. Try it on a track someday and then talk to me about any car that can perform as well as a GTS on track and still feel and sound pleasant on the drive home. There is no other mid-engined sports car ever made that hits both sides of that coin anywhere nearly as well. th-cam.com/video/_fuQ7Psog8k/w-d-xo.htmlsi=uMdaVv3vC9200KIP th-cam.com/video/0S1_VbeyQzs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=jvR0BcEqVm-tjq0T
How does this compare to the 981 and 718 gt4. Do you like those better?
Guess I'll stick with the 981!
On the thing of going suddenly, I don't think that's the case though. Other reviews I've seen suggest that it's a lot like the 981 in that regard, it does kick the back out quickly and easily but doesn't snap.
Also slightly confused by the "throttle is too responsive" comment at 9:41, guessing "sensitive" was the intended meaning as per later in the video.
Still, for me the 981 looks and sounds nicer as well as being set up just right. Has the same useless speedo though, having a 2nd screen would have been infinitely more useful.
As standard, the GTS gets a sports PASM so a 20mm drop. Standard PASM gives a 10mm drop and is a lot better. I bet the car you drove, James, had power steering plus fitted which is an even more assisted steering system than normal which is why it felt a bit disconnected. Great video by the way. 👍🏼💪🏻
Hello I wanted to ask Porsche about this actually ! Do you think the steering plus takes away even more steering feel ? Thanks
@@mrt.789 personally yes but we are all different and I would highly suggest you drive a car with it and one without, then make your decision. It’s a software change so if you do get it and don’t like it, your dealer can turn it off. In addition, they can turn it on with a code from Porsche.
@@danfreeney7656 great, thanks for the info I am considering a cayman t but I d like it to be lightest and pure as possible 👍🏻
only youtuber who actually has the courage to tell the truth, do not change, speaking your mind is what makes you stand out of the crowd. we have too many youtubers who do not actualy critice the cars, probably scared not to get a new one to test...
I rented a 2018 718 Cayman GTS and that car was anything but uneasy. It had superb balance and felt so easy to control at all times. Is the suspension on this that different? No offense man but the roads you’re driving on...look like an absolute mess! I don’t think that sports cars should be expected to behave like a grand tourer on these roads. I saw your review of my car, the C7 Z06 and found it quite hilarious. Your reviews seem very heavily based on these weird uneven British roads lol
Sounds to me like the steering feel is the biggest issue. Some of the other driving dynamics are best addressed by leaving the damping in normal mode.
Completely agree…..leave it in standard unless you are on super smooth tarmac which in the UK is sadly a very rare commodity these days
I was absolutely thrilled after trading a base 2014 Cayman for a 2016 Cayman GTS. Although I worried about road clearance, with speed humps and steep grades to go from streets to business or homes, for instance. I found the suspension stiffness a little too much. After driving two 911s for two years I am yearning for a Cayman GTS like the 2016 again. This year 2021 there is a no cost option for a 10mm increase in road clearance on GTS 4.0. Have not heard a peep about how this affects road feel or handling - is either affected at all?
I am not sure either, it may simply be a height difference
Despite recent 718 improved steering, 981 GTS Generation is still the better car...Sounds totally superior.
So Porsche are loosing it, Lotus don’t have a clue and McLaren need you you to advise them on what sports car to build and how to restructure their finances. My advice find some better roads, cold wet crappy uk roads will not realistically give a full appreciation of many of these cars best abilities also I think your perspective is too critical, manufacturers will stop offering you cars. I watch with interest how you approach the upcoming Rocketeer review, they are brave to give it to you.Cars have improved in the last 10 years, listening to you it would be a struggle to see this.
Just re-watched this vid and confused by your strange analysis. Think I'll stick with the Steve Sutcliffe assessment which contradicts your views on steering, power delivery, balance etc..... he and many others take quite a different perspective on the GTS 4.0 in both Boxster and Cayman form. Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion!
Indeed they are and if we all had the same one there'd only be one review of any product!
@@JayEmmOnCars Wouldn't expect them all to be the same and to be fair they weren't - not all were glowing. However, they were all aligned on the balance and poise of the chassis which is why your review feels a strange analysis. Anyway, enjoyed it nonetheless - thanks!
One thing I have noticed is many of the reviews on Cayman/GTS were on European roads in cars with different specifications- different brakes, different tyres, different roads - there is always the possibility we are all right!
@@JayEmmOnCars Hopefully not everyone is right otherwise no-one will be right! There are a stack of GTS 4.0 reviews in a full range of settings - certainly enough for folks to make an informed decision which is ultimately what matters. Appreciate the replies!
@@garyf9897 Like you, I respect the opinion of JayEmm. As he’s said above, if we all thought alike life would be boring. However he is against the overwhelming majority of reviewers here. I’ve driven the 4.0 GTS on smooth and bumpy roads (in summer, i.e. hot road surface and tyres), and have not taken it out on track like most reviewers. So my opinions were formed on A and B roads... I have to say my views are heavily contrasted with what JayEmm has said in this video. Also, most Cayman owners don’t care for a 911.
How does the gearing in the manual GTS compare to the manual GT4?
Same. Same engine, same gearbox. Porsche electronically nerf it in the GTS. The ratios are silly long and that's why the PDK is the drivers choice - more ratios, more headroom for keeping the engine singing.
What were the tire pressures and what tires? It makes a big difference
Pirelli P Zero and I did not check the pressures but the cars come from Porsche set up correctly in their eyes
@@JayEmmOnCars p zero are atrocious in the cold. Also the tire sizes on the gts are dramatically different than the gt4 with more sidewall in the rear. If the pressures got up to 38+ in the rear it can ruin the car. However im not surprised the car didnt feel as communicative as the gt product in general. For 10 grand difference the gt version is a no brainer IMO
@@plife911 but as the P Zero is the tyre Porsche chose to fit, I have to judge it as such