Certain details in this video are not 100% historic. Egyptian MiG-19s were S models while here we use the radar equipped P version. The Sinai map used here is a modern map and certain locations and airbases looked differently in the 1960s. Hurghada airbase is not modeled so another one was used instead of it. C-2 Greyhounds represent Israeli Noratlases. These are not mistakes but platform limitations and there's no need to comment on it. One thing however is wrong. MiG-19 didn't carry any air-to-air missiles during the Six Day War. This information became obvious after all the scenes were done and there was no time for a re-shoot. Thank you for your understanding!
@@sheepbakovich9886 The roundel is the same for the United Arab Republic Air Force which was in being from 1958 to 1961... the Mig-19 was used towards the end of the brief time that the UAR exsisted...
Most of the Shenyang F6's aka the Chinese Mig-19 where transferred over to the Iraqi Air Force during the Iran Iraq War and used as ground attack aircraft... Most intelligence points towards Egypt buying the jets for Iraqi use only and that the ones left in Egypt where used to train the Iraqi pilots on the jet. Great video on one of the lesser known Migs...
@@showtime112 The hellenic Air Force used the Noratlas to sent commandos to cyprus in 1974, during the turkish invasion. they named operation NIKE (victory) interesting mission with lots of ups and downs!
@@KhaledAwni yes hellenic airforce its the greek airforce, in 1974 they send noratlas during the turkish invasion of cyprus. i dont know what you mean by "2as in Egypt"
Get well soon! You seem to have caught a bad cold/ flu! Excellent and compelling content as usual. There is way more than dogfights in the history of military aviation.
On paper, the Mig-19 was a very competitive dogfighter, at least according to US pilot who tested it, and in Vietnam it shot down several Phantoms, and yet in the 6-day war it was completely outclassed by Mirage IIIs
For a novel, and quite shocking take on Egyptian army state (and a general overview of Nasser - Amer rivalry that led them to such ruin) I can recommend the Soldiers, Spies and Statesmen by Hazem Kandil. It gets weaker regarding Sadat era, but up until 1973 war its an excellent source for why Egypt was in dire straits and why its army performed so badly. (Summary, it was a bastion of power for Amer and his coterie of officers whom Nasser was powerless to kick out of the military)
Yes the Egyptian Air Force switched over to Czechoslovakian instructors around 1955 when Egypt moved over to Eastern bloc equipment as the initial purchase for this was from Czechoslovakia... Soviet instructors took over in the early 1960's when they started receiving further Eastern bloc equipment aka Mig-17-19-21, SAM's and ground equipment...
Muito bom, teus documentários não ficam só mostrando um lado. Maioria só ficam mostrando os sucessos israelenses e norte americanos, ninguém aguenta mais. Desde os videos dos conflitos aéreos na áfrica vi que teu canal era diferenciado. Obrigado do Brasil !
EXCELENT as usual. Thanks again for your contribution for Aviation History. No one really cares much about the details of the different type of MiG-19s, please don't take it that seriuously.
This is period correct. Egypt and Syria were briefly united in the 'United Arab Republic' and Egypt still formally called itself that at the time. That's probably the reason.
It is interesting that the Pakistani accounts of the MiG-19/F6 are so different from the Arab. They apparently considered the F6 much better than the Mirage III/V and some at least preferred it to any other contemporary fighter.
I will, thanks! Most of these conflicts haven't been properly resolved and in some cases, it is quite hard to access proper primary sources. That's why there are discrepancies, I suppose.
Oh, you are the author? It's a really good one, thanks! Seeing that skin inspired me to do a video about Egyptian MiG-19s, as the Sinai map came out and I was looking for something to do with it.
Very interesting that the Mig 19 was withdrawn and the pilots transferred to the Mig 17. Also glad a video on the Mig 19 is released! a really uncommon jet to hear about
Hello mate. I sent you thé sumup of th fights. 6.7.8 june. 6 june à mix.of mig 17 and 19 met mirage 3CJ. Name of IAF pilots are différent. Sagee and Afek shot mig 17!!!. 7 june Schmul shot mig 19 With his gunsight out of order. Électric issue ? ? But shot down. About attrition war. No mirage loss 19/5/69. Just mig 19
Farmer i read is agile, so can out turn Mirages. At the time cannot maximize heavy cannon either without DOGFIGHT TRAINING. Then again the uploader told me Pakistani victories were "outliers".
No need to comment the video, you are a class of your own! The voice in the beginning, however, puzzled me. 🤔 A case of cold, AI interpretation or a cigarettes stack to calm down the nerves? I really hope it's the first one and that you get well soon. Stay safe, my friend! 👍🏻👏🏻💪🏻🍻🍻🙋🏼♂️
Thanks for the wishes! The voice is influenced by a viral infection I picked up. The most of the voice was recorded just before it but I needed to record the start again because I changed something. I still sound a bit like that ☺️
I love your videos! But I'm getting dizzy (nausea) watching it lately. I noticed that the most current videos have a lot of scenes in the pilot's fast movements and that makes me nauseous, unfortunately. His early videos were better, in my opinion. This is just constructive criticism, sorry if I offended you. Thanks.
Do you mean the cockpit scenes? It is meant to simulate the drama but perhaps it might be a bit much. Simulations or first person shooters can cause nausea because your eyes report movement but your body doesn't. I'll keep that i mind.
I'm really waiting for the F-4E module to be released by Heatblur. We have the new Sinai map which is very useful and there's just one piece of the puzzle missing.
The MiG-19 was a difficult jet to master, and something of a maintenance nightmare, especially when subjected to the merciless wear and tear of sustained combat operations. The EAF had fewer issues keeping its many MiG-17s, MiG-21s, Su-7s, Su-20s, and Mirages in service. However, in peacetime, the MiG-19/J-6 played a useful role as an advanced trainer for fast jet pilots, helping to keep their yearly flight hours up, and therefore extending the service lives of the EAF’s more valuable airframes. It is also said that most of the EAF’s best F-16 pilots are former J-6 pilots, which seems to confirm the effectiveness of the MiG-19/J-6 in this role.
Some kind of a virus. I had to re-record the initial part and I couldn't speak long enough to record the whole thing ala over 😁 Thanks for the comment!
Israeli pilots flying French Mirages were skilled n trained as compared to their enemy Arab counter parts Flying Mig 18s but few Egyptian pilots had their share of success too...
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Currently not, I lack MiG-17. It might arrive to DCS (it's under development). Alternatively, I can grind to the MiG and F-4C in War Thunder but that will take a while.
There were multiple reasons for it, not just the airplane. Arab militaries up to that point probably cared more about political loyalty than competence.
What’s interesting is that Pakistani pilots were far more skilled and aggressive. They tried to teach these traits to Egyptian and Iraqi pilots (and maybe also to Syrian pilots but I’m not sure about that). In this they were only partly successful. The problem with a lot of Arab and African militaries is that loyalty is valued over competence. Also, there is often a worry about coups. So there is a lot of political intrigue. Plus corruption is endemic. It’s simply not a healthy environment to build competent militaries. Generally, these militaries worry a lot more about internal threats than external enemies. When they finally have to focus on external enemies, like when the Egyptian army actually took war with Israel seriously (in 1973), they perform much better.
What was so evidently wrong with Egyptian air force at this time. I seems as if they were not much more than targets: is there any accountable information on the details?
Is it me or the egyptian air force was ill-prepared?What was the reason behind this distrastrous kill ratio? I ve seen that this tradition continue even in 70 ' ...
It wasnt just the egyptian air force, during the 70s a number of soviet piloted Mig-21s also tried to take on the israeli air force and got humilliated because of it, the egyptians were simply outmatched tactically and strategically by the israelis in most fights, and pure skill on others.
For some reason the Mig-19 was considered a difficult aircraft and not popular. Many Warsaw pact air forces went from the Mig-17 to the Mig 21. The Pakistanis for some reason loved them. They had the Chinese version which was adapted to carrying sidewinders. I'm sure that made a big difference.
As I usually say, MiG-19 is like a neglected middle child overshadowed by its siblings. And I find it very interesting that aircraft types which were generally unloved and unsuccessful often find one place where it's the opposite for them (Airacobra in the USSR or Brewster Buffalo in Finland for example).
Wonderful video. We are very focused on the destructions of Israeli air force on the different bases of the Arab league. But there were a lot of dogfights during these six days of war.
Salut Jeanne je regarde en ce moment en live stream sur TH-cam channel Macc Aviation le live du Riat 2023 La vidéo de showtime est excellente apart quelques erreurs sur noms des pilotes le 6 juin car des mig 17 était avec les mig19. Le 7 un mig 19 abattu par mirage 3CJ dont le viseur est tombé en panne pendant le tir. Néanmoins mig 19 abattu
And the Suez Canal is depicted with two channels north of the Great Bitter Lake. This was a 2012+ innovation. The Canal was only one channel back in the day.
Thank you for pointing it out. This is a modern map of the area and we are lucky to have it even like this. Producing maps for simulations is a huge task, producing them for different time periods is simply impossible.
Great video. Love the black and white gun camera, and ground footage giving it a historical prospective. Excellent work as always! ♠️🎩🎯🎱🇺🇸🏁🇺🇦🔱🌻🌼🏵️💮🌸🏴☠️🏹
The airplane itself is somewhat inferior but it was mostly the lack of training and general, strategic defeat that reflected on tactical defeats as well.
To paraphrase Roho Ramone's statement from 'Fistfull of Dollars'...''When a man with a MIG-19 meets a man with a Dassault Mirage,...the man with the MIG is a dead man'' They never stood a hope in hell ?
46 israeli aircrafts were lost (one by an Israeli hawk battery, due to a failure the communication system as he flew back). On the arab side, the number is about 451. So yeah, maybe "not even a scratch" is exaggerated, but you get the idea.
@@thatdude-cc6ui Almost 10-1 ratio in favour of Israel. Were the Israelis that good or the Egyptians that inept? Of course it was "both," but which was it mostly? Curious.
@@britishamerican4321 Good question. The "both" sums it up nicely. Although the key (specifically for the six day war) was the strategy. Especially operation focus and operation red tongue. And of course soild intelligence. Imagine crippling the airforce of your strongest enemy in an (almost) single strike, it gives you a complete air superiority throughout the war, and ensuring operational and logistical freedom on the ground.
In the 1967 War, Arabs suffered one of the most crushing defeats in modern history. Not even they try to deny it. They were poorly led, the pilots were not adequately trained and it's really not a surprise. Israelis were not exactly untouchable, especially when their leadership made mistakes (such as the attack on H-3 airfield in Iraq)
Mig19 was fine machine. Loses are due to badly skilled pilots, and Israelis had great pilots. Uhvatio si prehladu ali si ispoštovao objavu, svaka čast. Hvala! 😀
Nice to have such military history channel... The surprise Israeli attack 1967 destroyed more than 90% of the Egyptian air force on the ground, so Israel had air supremacy and all suicidal missions made by the brave Egyptian pilots were in vain beside mirages were more advanced in all aspects than the mig 19... it was a severe night mare but all that changed in 73... Thanks for your activity and information.
Often but not necessarily. Did you know that Israelis did mock-up dogfights between that MiG-21 they got from an Iraqi defector against their Mirages? The MiG supposedly always won.
@@showtime112 Really? Woow… it says a lot! Thanks for the information, it certainly changes my point lf view, but it reinforces a little bit my idea of occidental (including Israel) procedures.
I watched many vedios, I guess Egyptian pilot were born to shoot down, I guess they were only train to fly aircraft but don't know how to shoot...i myself is a muslim. I really feel bad..
In autocratic societies, it is often more important to be politically loyal than competent to climb the ranks. That's why their militaries often fail. Egypt did make some progress by the next war though.
The sources of your information are from the Israeli side and the French side - only - which manufactures the Mirage aircraft, and do not take from the Egyptian side, even though it is the other side in the fighting. Therefore, your work is clearly biased towards the Israeli and French side, and this is neither rational nor fair.
With all due respect, the Noratlas thing is explained in the pinned comment. And no, the video creator being an idiot is not the reason. Also, the video very clearly explains that sides disagree about these events and it is not 100 percent certain that it happened this way. However, it wouldn't be the first thing in history that 'no one' has heard of.
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Certain details in this video are not 100% historic. Egyptian MiG-19s were S models while here we use the radar equipped P version. The Sinai map used here is a modern map and certain locations and airbases looked differently in the 1960s. Hurghada airbase is not modeled so another one was used instead of it. C-2 Greyhounds represent Israeli Noratlases. These are not mistakes but platform limitations and there's no need to comment on it.
One thing however is wrong. MiG-19 didn't carry any air-to-air missiles during the Six Day War. This information became obvious after all the scenes were done and there was no time for a re-shoot. Thank you for your understanding!
why do the migs have the Syrian flag on them at 3:13?
@@sheepbakovich9886 The roundel is the same for the United Arab Republic Air Force which was in being from 1958 to 1961... the Mig-19 was used towards the end of the brief time that the UAR exsisted...
@@hmmjedi but the six days war happened in 1967 .
a full 5 years after the dissolution of the arab union.
@@sheepbakovich9886 very true though it could have also just been a misclick on the camo scheme...
@@sheepbakovich9886 Egypt still officially called itself 'The United Arab Republic' until 1971. That's probably the reason.
Most of the Shenyang F6's aka the Chinese Mig-19 where transferred over to the Iraqi Air Force during the Iran Iraq War and used as ground attack aircraft... Most intelligence points towards Egypt buying the jets for Iraqi use only and that the ones left in Egypt where used to train the Iraqi pilots on the jet. Great video on one of the lesser known Migs...
Thank you very much for the feedback and for contributing interesting, relevant details!
In 70's Hellenic Air Force had Noratlas. When i served there was one in Air base museum.
Thanks for sharing!
@@showtime112 The hellenic Air Force used the Noratlas to sent commandos to cyprus in 1974, during the turkish invasion. they named operation NIKE (victory) interesting mission with lots of ups and downs!
You mean the Greece 🇬🇷 air force 2as in Egypt 🇪🇬
@@KhaledAwni yes hellenic airforce its the greek airforce, in 1974 they send noratlas during the turkish invasion of cyprus. i dont know what you mean by "2as in Egypt"
@petros311 YES SIR . I MEAN WAS THERE HELENIC AIR FORCE STUFF IN EGYPT 🇪🇬 IN 1973 .. AND WHY
You seem to have a bad cold. Get well soon!
It's some kind of a virus, it's getting better, thanks!
Get well soon! You seem to have caught a bad cold/ flu! Excellent and compelling content as usual. There is way more than dogfights in the history of military aviation.
Thanks! I'm getting better but there's a chance the next video will sound like this too :)
@@showtime112 appreciate the effort man!!!!
I knew something was off with his voice, it sounded robotic for some reason 😂
On paper, the Mig-19 was a very competitive dogfighter, at least according to US pilot who tested it, and in Vietnam it shot down several Phantoms, and yet in the 6-day war it was completely outclassed by Mirage IIIs
It could do alright if well handled. The Six Day War was primarily a strategic defeat. Tactical victories could hardly come by after such a blunder.
This is lack of proper training not the plane itself, in my opinion.
Was the Mig-19 flown by Russian pilots in Vietnam?
For a novel, and quite shocking take on Egyptian army state (and a general overview of Nasser - Amer rivalry that led them to such ruin) I can recommend the Soldiers, Spies and Statesmen by Hazem Kandil. It gets weaker regarding Sadat era, but up until 1973 war its an excellent source for why Egypt was in dire straits and why its army performed so badly.
(Summary, it was a bastion of power for Amer and his coterie of officers whom Nasser was powerless to kick out of the military)
@@johncorkery3664 No, by the Vietnamese
Very interesting video. I would like to ask, were the egyptian pilots at this time trained by soviet air force advisors?
Thanks! At the time, I believe that most training came from the Soviets.
Yes the Egyptian Air Force switched over to Czechoslovakian instructors around 1955 when Egypt moved over to Eastern bloc equipment as the initial purchase for this was from Czechoslovakia... Soviet instructors took over in the early 1960's when they started receiving further Eastern bloc equipment aka Mig-17-19-21, SAM's and ground equipment...
@hmmjedi Alright, that's very interesting. Thank you for sharing!
@showtime112 Thanks for the clear up, and again, great video!
Muito bom, teus documentários não ficam só mostrando um lado. Maioria só ficam mostrando os sucessos israelenses e norte americanos, ninguém aguenta mais. Desde os videos dos conflitos aéreos na áfrica vi que teu canal era diferenciado. Obrigado do Brasil !
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback! Fact is that sources about Americans and Israelis are the easiest to find and they are quite detailed.
@@showtime112 Verdade, por isto teu canal é muito bacana e fascinante. Agradeço tua atenção.
Showtime 112 is great channel. For example i realised by his video the incident in Cyprus in 1974 where Turks bombed and sank one of their own ships.
@@antimimoniakos Sim, casos que só este canal mostra. Em cada episódio somos sempre surpreendidos.
Great choice of content and excellent presentation.
Wish you a quick recovery from whatever's got your throat by the neck.
Thanks for the comment! There's a chance I might sound like that in the next couple of videos 😁
I'm glad Egypt and Israel put warfare behind them.
Certainly. A compromise can always be reached somehow.
EXCELENT as usual. Thanks again for your contribution for Aviation History. No one really cares much about the details of the different type of MiG-19s, please don't take it that seriuously.
Thanks a lot Pablo! You might be surprised with people and their comments :)
Why MiG-19s with Syrian livery?
This is period correct. Egypt and Syria were briefly united in the 'United Arab Republic' and Egypt still formally called itself that at the time. That's probably the reason.
It is interesting that the Pakistani accounts of the MiG-19/F6 are so different from the Arab. They apparently considered the F6 much better than the Mirage III/V and some at least preferred it to any other contemporary fighter.
Maybe it's one of those Fokker XXI / Brewster Buffalo situation. They flopped elsewhere but the Finns did pretty well on them.
Very interesting video. Your work is valuable for every history lover
I'm glad you appreciate it, thank you!
Cuida esa voz amigo. Me ha encantado el vídeo. Cómo siempre discrepancia en los números dependiendo de las fuentes
I will, thanks! Most of these conflicts haven't been properly resolved and in some cases, it is quite hard to access proper primary sources. That's why there are discrepancies, I suppose.
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Hvala!
@showtime112 i see you're engoying my Mig-19 Egyptian Skin :D
Oh, you are the author? It's a really good one, thanks! Seeing that skin inspired me to do a video about Egyptian MiG-19s, as the Sinai map came out and I was looking for something to do with it.
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Hvala!
Very interesting that the Mig 19 was withdrawn and the pilots transferred to the Mig 17. Also glad a video on the Mig 19 is released! a really uncommon jet to hear about
Yes, MiG-19 is like a neglected middle child between two much more famous brothers :) Thanks for the feedback!
Bonjour de France. Toujours un plaisir de regarder vos vidéos instructives.
Thanks a lot for the feedback!
Was the MiG 19 just outmatched by the Mirage?
Not simply. Well trained pilots with good tactical situation could probably cope with the Mirage.
A NVAF MiG19 was shit down over Vietnam by an F-4E with it's 20mm Vulcan at Mach 1
There are no indications that a Noratlas lost on the Six day War, in any source in the IAF or historically.
I've checked.
Hello mate. I sent you thé sumup of th fights. 6.7.8 june.
6 june à mix.of mig 17 and 19 met mirage 3CJ. Name of IAF pilots are différent. Sagee and Afek shot mig 17!!!.
7 june Schmul shot mig 19 With his gunsight out of order. Électric issue ? ? But shot down.
About attrition war. No mirage loss 19/5/69. Just mig 19
Thanks for the comment and for the info. I was relying on Shlomo Aloni's 'Mirage and Nesher Aces' for the claim list.
Farmer i read is agile, so can out turn Mirages. At the time cannot maximize heavy cannon either without DOGFIGHT TRAINING.
Then again the uploader told me Pakistani victories were "outliers".
No need to comment the video, you are a class of your own! The voice in the beginning, however, puzzled me. 🤔 A case of cold, AI interpretation or a cigarettes stack to calm down the nerves? I really hope it's the first one and that you get well soon.
Stay safe, my friend! 👍🏻👏🏻💪🏻🍻🍻🙋🏼♂️
Thanks for the wishes! The voice is influenced by a viral infection I picked up. The most of the voice was recorded just before it but I needed to record the start again because I changed something. I still sound a bit like that ☺️
Really interesting video. Thank you
Thank you for commenting!
Holy sinus infection Showtime!? Are you ok?
A lot better than 5-6 days ago, I can tell you that 😁 Thanks for your concern!
Yet another masterpiece of a video by showtime112. Love ur vids homie
Hey, thanks! That's what I call a positive comment :)
I love your videos! But I'm getting dizzy (nausea) watching it lately. I noticed that the most current videos have a lot of scenes in the pilot's fast movements and that makes me nauseous, unfortunately. His early videos were better, in my opinion. This is just constructive criticism, sorry if I offended you. Thanks.
Do you mean the cockpit scenes? It is meant to simulate the drama but perhaps it might be a bit much. Simulations or first person shooters can cause nausea because your eyes report movement but your body doesn't. I'll keep that i mind.
@@showtime112 Yes, cockpit scenes in quick movements.
Showtime 112 could you look on the war of Attrition 1967 -70 in the Middle East.
I'm really waiting for the F-4E module to be released by Heatblur. We have the new Sinai map which is very useful and there's just one piece of the puzzle missing.
The MiG-19 was a difficult jet to master, and something of a maintenance nightmare, especially when subjected to the merciless wear and tear of sustained combat operations. The EAF had fewer issues keeping its many MiG-17s, MiG-21s, Su-7s, Su-20s, and Mirages in service. However, in peacetime, the MiG-19/J-6 played a useful role as an advanced trainer for fast jet pilots, helping to keep their yearly flight hours up, and therefore extending the service lives of the EAF’s more valuable airframes. It is also said that most of the EAF’s best F-16 pilots are former J-6 pilots, which seems to confirm the effectiveness of the MiG-19/J-6 in this role.
An interesting comment, thanks!
Geez Showtime! What kind of throat infection is that? Your voice suffers as hell! Nevertheless brilliant video as always!
Some kind of a virus. I had to re-record the initial part and I couldn't speak long enough to record the whole thing ala over 😁 Thanks for the comment!
Thanks for getting Part 2 out so quickly !
Thank you for watching it so quickly :)
if you need any skins just let me know..
Always 😁 Thanks!
Israeli pilots flying French Mirages were skilled n trained as compared to their enemy Arab counter parts Flying Mig 18s but few Egyptian pilots had their share of success too...
Yes, even the most dominant force in a conflict can't win every single battle.
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Thanks!
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All gun kills or not?
Thanks for video I did not know that Egipt got so roflstump by Izrael 😮
All of these kills were achieved by guns. Well, the 1967 War was the worst defeat for the Arabs, generally speaking.
could you made an video about the first fight between north vietnam and usaf on 3 april 1965 at Đo len bridge
Currently not, I lack MiG-17. It might arrive to DCS (it's under development). Alternatively, I can grind to the MiG and F-4C in War Thunder but that will take a while.
I never thought Egyptian pilots were elite pilots, but I didn't expect them, and their MiG-19, performed so badly. That was a real Turkey Shoot.
There were multiple reasons for it, not just the airplane. Arab militaries up to that point probably cared more about political loyalty than competence.
What’s interesting is that Pakistani pilots were far more skilled and aggressive. They tried to teach these traits to Egyptian and Iraqi pilots (and maybe also to Syrian pilots but I’m not sure about that). In this they were only partly successful.
The problem with a lot of Arab and African militaries is that loyalty is valued over competence. Also, there is often a worry about coups. So there is a lot of political intrigue. Plus corruption is endemic. It’s simply not a healthy environment to build competent militaries.
Generally, these militaries worry a lot more about internal threats than external enemies. When they finally have to focus on external enemies, like when the Egyptian army actually took war with Israel seriously (in 1973), they perform much better.
What was so evidently wrong with Egyptian air force at this time. I seems as if they were not much more than targets: is there any accountable information on the details?
Lack of adequate training primarily. But also the fact that armed forces were shaped by politics and generally poorly led.
Is it me or the egyptian air force was ill-prepared?What was the reason behind this distrastrous kill ratio? I ve seen that this tradition continue even in 70 ' ...
It is true that the level of training wasn't adequate. But it was probably also poor leadership which brought the pilots in difficult situations.
@@showtime112 and you think that a mig 19 in a competent hand would have made a difference?Or the Mirages were superior?
It wasnt just the egyptian air force, during the 70s a number of soviet piloted Mig-21s also tried to take on the israeli air force and got humilliated because of it, the egyptians were simply outmatched tactically and strategically by the israelis in most fights, and pure skill on others.
@@raresandrei2343 In good hands, MiG-19 could be effective against the Mirage III I think.
@@showtime112 ok.It sounds pretty interesting.By the way , are you doing operation Tidal Wave ? Because on 1st aug.its the 80 years anniversary
For some reason the Mig-19 was considered a difficult aircraft and not popular. Many Warsaw pact air forces went from the Mig-17 to the Mig 21. The Pakistanis for some reason loved them. They had the Chinese version which was adapted to carrying sidewinders. I'm sure that made a big difference.
As I usually say, MiG-19 is like a neglected middle child overshadowed by its siblings. And I find it very interesting that aircraft types which were generally unloved and unsuccessful often find one place where it's the opposite for them (Airacobra in the USSR or Brewster Buffalo in Finland for example).
Incredible detailed research by you.
Thanks for the feedback!
Wonderful video. We are very focused on the destructions of Israeli air force on the different bases of the Arab league. But there were a lot of dogfights during these six days of war.
Thanks! Yes, that entire counter-air operation was so efficient that the dogfights are sometimes overlooked.
Salut Jeanne je regarde en ce moment en live stream sur TH-cam channel Macc Aviation le live du Riat 2023
La vidéo de showtime est excellente apart quelques erreurs sur noms des pilotes le 6 juin car des mig 17 était avec les mig19.
Le 7 un mig 19 abattu par mirage 3CJ dont le viseur est tombé en panne pendant le tir. Néanmoins mig 19 abattu
C'est bien ce que je disais. Un Mig 19 abattu avec le viseur HS du Mirage 3 CJ
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Je viens de la lire, des mig-17 avec mig-19 ?
Panne de collimateur pendant le tir ?
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Faire cela au jugé, bravo !!!
And the Suez Canal is depicted with two channels north of the Great Bitter Lake. This was a 2012+ innovation. The Canal was only one channel back in the day.
Thank you for pointing it out. This is a modern map of the area and we are lucky to have it even like this. Producing maps for simulations is a huge task, producing them for different time periods is simply impossible.
Thanks for this great video!!
Thank you for appreciating it!
Great video. Love the black and white gun camera, and ground footage giving it a historical prospective. Excellent work as always! ♠️🎩🎯🎱🇺🇸🏁🇺🇦🔱🌻🌼🏵️💮🌸🏴☠️🏹
Thank you very much! I really like playing with those effects and filters (as it clearly shows) 😁
@@showtime112ice made a contribution to the channel.
@@ratagris21 I've just seen the notification! I am very grateful for your constant support!
Awesome, great video as usual Showtime112. Was looking forward to this.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!
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Yeah because the IDF was annihilated the Egyptian mig.s😂
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Egyptian pilots were so poorly trained that Israelis were shooting them down like flies.
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Because no germs can survive Tequila, right? 😁
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why Mig 19 performed poorly? due to pilots training or they were inferior than Mirage-3?
lack of doctrine and not a very good plane
The airplane itself is somewhat inferior but it was mostly the lack of training and general, strategic defeat that reflected on tactical defeats as well.
Is that gardocka airfield?
Hurghada is also known as Gardaka, yes.
Narrated by a Latin Jack Ryan
Yeah, yeah. Go ahead and laugh 😁
MIG 19 equals poo poo .
It wasn't necessarily that bad. Pakistanis did alright with it in 1971.
Please, the fake "old film effects" are not necessary.
That's debatable 😁
@showtime112 suit yourself. It really achieves nothing, but is an annoying fake feature. Have a think about it.
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I appreciate your comment!
To paraphrase Roho Ramone's statement from 'Fistfull of Dollars'...''When a man with a MIG-19 meets a man with a Dassault Mirage,...the man with the MIG is a dead man'' They never stood a hope in hell ?
Not so much because of the airplane but rather, the training and the strategic situation.
@@showtime112 Good point.
So the Israeli pilots just couldn't be touched by the Egyptians? Like Stephen Segal in a bar fight--not even a scratch? Mmm-kay.
46 israeli aircrafts were lost (one by an Israeli hawk battery, due to a failure the communication system as he flew back).
On the arab side, the number is about 451.
So yeah, maybe "not even a scratch" is exaggerated, but you get the idea.
@@thatdude-cc6ui Almost 10-1 ratio in favour of Israel. Were the Israelis that good or the Egyptians that inept? Of course it was "both," but which was it mostly? Curious.
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Good question. The "both" sums it up nicely.
Although the key (specifically for the six day war) was the strategy. Especially operation focus and operation red tongue. And of course soild intelligence.
Imagine crippling the airforce of your strongest enemy in an (almost) single strike, it gives you a complete air superiority throughout the war, and ensuring operational and logistical freedom on the ground.
@@thatdude-cc6ui Thanks. I suppose Mirages at the time were better (newer, I think?) than Mig-19s too.
In the 1967 War, Arabs suffered one of the most crushing defeats in modern history. Not even they try to deny it. They were poorly led, the pilots were not adequately trained and it's really not a surprise. Israelis were not exactly untouchable, especially when their leadership made mistakes (such as the attack on H-3 airfield in Iraq)
Lazy Or Lost : Excellent once again. Special thought for the paratroopers trapped in the ill-fated Noratlas
Thank you for commenting!
Mig19 was fine machine. Loses are due to badly skilled pilots, and Israelis had great pilots. Uhvatio si prehladu ali si ispoštovao objavu, svaka čast. Hvala! 😀
It was a decent plane. Srećom da sam većinu scena snimio dok se stvar još kuhala :) Hvala na komentaru!
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Thanks for the comment!
Can you do a video about the fastest double air kill?
Which one do you mean?
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@@ثرثار-ق5ع Maybe. It was covered by Dash99er already, I'd have to see if I can significantly improve o his video.
@@showtime112 ok thanks for responding!!
Egypt was defeated before the first shot of war............
Essentially, yes. The leadership was bluffing but they didn't know Israel would take them so seriously.
@@showtime112 Nasser was a lot of words and ZERO facts.....The "Perfect" arab at the time.
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Nice to have such military history channel... The surprise Israeli attack 1967 destroyed more than 90% of the Egyptian air force on the ground, so Israel had air supremacy and all suicidal missions made by the brave Egyptian pilots were in vain beside mirages were more advanced in all aspects than the mig 19... it was a severe night mare but all that changed in 73... Thanks for your activity and information.
Thank you for this positive feedback, it's always nice to hear something like that!
Can you make a video on your setup and how these videos are maked,amazing quality they are better than the history channel.
Maybe someday. But I doubt many people would be interested in that. Thanks for the comment!
As usually, soviet aircraft are very inferior to the westerners…
Aditionally, soviet training and tactics, were bad also.
Often but not necessarily. Did you know that Israelis did mock-up dogfights between that MiG-21 they got from an Iraqi defector against their Mirages? The MiG supposedly always won.
@@showtime112 Really? Woow… it says a lot!
Thanks for the information, it certainly changes my point lf view, but it reinforces a little bit my idea of occidental (including Israel) procedures.
@@frandescontrolado Yes, Israeli training in this period was superior although Arabs reduced the margin somewhat by the time of the 1973 War.
I watched many vedios, I guess Egyptian pilot were born to shoot down, I guess they were only train to fly aircraft but don't know how to shoot...i myself is a muslim. I really feel bad..
In autocratic societies, it is often more important to be politically loyal than competent to climb the ranks. That's why their militaries often fail. Egypt did make some progress by the next war though.
The sources of your information are from the Israeli side and the French side - only - which manufactures the Mirage aircraft, and do not take from the Egyptian side, even though it is the other side in the fighting. Therefore, your work is clearly biased towards the Israeli and French side, and this is neither rational nor fair.
Why don't you learn a few things about geography, you will seem much smarter. You apparently don't know much about countries of the World 🤣
With all due respect, the Noratlas does not look like what is presented in the film, no one heard of a Noraltlas with paratroopers that was shot down
With all due respect, the Noratlas thing is explained in the pinned comment. And no, the video creator being an idiot is not the reason. Also, the video very clearly explains that sides disagree about these events and it is not 100 percent certain that it happened this way. However, it wouldn't be the first thing in history that 'no one' has heard of.
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Hvala Medo!
Pocistili ih Izraelci ko fazane.
U osnovi, da. Imali su i oni dosta gubitaka ali općenito, rat je bio gadan poraz za Arape.