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So I don't know when updates to the Mig-19 actually come out, but a few people were commenting in the last few videos about it so I thought I'd bring out the Mig-19 for a little fight and see how she does, I don't know what they did to it exactly, but the flight model feels pretty nice now, it was ok in the past but its much better now. Big thank you to supreme for helping with this video and thank you to all of you for watching.
Request- F-4U Corsair VS MIG-15 PLEASE😁✌
During the Korean War U.S. Prop Planes shot down MIG's on a couple occasions-- The Hawker Sea Fury shot down a MIG-15 and The AU4 Corsair also shot down a MIG-15! Vietnam-- A-1 Skyraider shoots down MIG-17 I believe on two separate occasions!!
Interesting. I have not seen much on the Mig-19 or F-5.
@@davidsmith8997 yeah the -19 can actually maneuver unlike the -21 which was built more for top speed
@@Anarchy_420 they also got a kill with prop planes during the Vietnam war also a huey took out 2 bi planes as well. They featured the jet kill on Dogfights
I would like to see this again. But this time using "Slit-Throttles" and "Differential-Thrust" to enhance maneuvering if that is possible with the Mig-19.
Tiger vs Farmer stuff happens all the time in India. That's kinda what happens when you do too much deforestation..
Bwahahaha
Well played sir. Well played.
He had us in the first half, ngl
LOL
good one lol
lmfao
Lets take a moment to appreciate work of MiG engineers on this one. Having thrust to weight ratio 0.85 in 1955 is just insane
(In the voice of Sir David Attenborough) "...And the Mig 19 is here in its element as it casually stalks its prey. The F5 knows its life is at risk but is at a loss as to how to escape from its enemy's clutches. It twists and turns with ever increasing desperation. It tries to go to ground in a last panic stricken lunge, until at the last, the Mig pounces to quickly snuff out its prey's life. The game over, the Mig casually flies away from the burning carcass."
Reading this I can actually hear David Attenborough's voice . . . . . this is hilarious
@@jerrodcorey25 Thank you.
@ScottNJ
Sir Richard Attenborough is.... not Sir David.
😄😆😅
@ScottNJ Riichard was Sir David's older brother. RIchard (also known as Dickie) was Lord Attenborough. He was given a peerage for his film work.
@ScottNJ
Just don't do it again, okay?
😉
If that was Longshot you wouldn't have let him go and followed him to the ground with your gun blazing LOL
Maybe true lol
Mig-19 gun sounds are beautiful! As well as the cockpit instrumentations!
Not only the sound...it is the most badass looking aircraft.....^^
Looks like a cool sci fi space fighter from a 70's film 🦾🦾
*Chunkchunkchunk! Chunkchunkchunkchunk* !!
The wing fences on the MiG 19 are immense, the Mikoyan engineers must have been really struggling to get that thing under control.
them swept wings do be kinda crazy doe 😳
They actually used computer models to calculate the perfect angle.
Pretty cool how the design process went.
If I remember right, the guns on the MiG-19 are NR-30s, absolutely devastating cannons- and instead of ammo drums, they have ammo belts that internally extend down the leading edge of the wing. You literally have as much ammo as you have wing.
Yes.
So, If you lose a wing, you lose the ammo in it. I wonder if this in modelled in DCS lol
@@SandeepKumar-qh3zs well i think ammo would be the least concern when the plane loses it wing 🤣
@@SandeepKumar-qh3zs i totally bet. In war thunder, its modelled as well, but you lose the ENTIRE gun instead of the proportional ammo. DCS' damage models are leagues better than war thunder though
@@blessthismessss if you lose the entire wing I HIGHLY doubt the cannon's gonna remain functional, especially considering how the ammo might detonate when the wings are blown off.
MiG19 in DCS: Air combat monster, solid controls.
MiG19 in real life: Air combat monster, solid controls.
also a huge gas guzzler and maintenance nightmare.
Got off the phone with new girlfriend to watch this video. Priorities…
Growling sidewinder and chill
But would side winder n chill turn into rolling scissor or.........f14 rate fighting
@@_flyingcat_7527 these videos are calming
you should do rolling scissors with your gf ;)
It'll make your relationship stronger????
"into the merge here"
barely misses the F5 with only 15m between them
I thought they may have traded paint...
This channel is just perfect. Every video is made with the highest quality.
Very kind of you
Just wanted to drop a short comment that I’ve enjoyed your content for over a month now and I’m not a DCS player. So yeah pretty entertaining channel and with high quality video and commentary.. keep up the good work! You’re bound to get more subs outside the DCS community.
Very kind of you man thank you for the comment
I can only play Warthunder, but I enjoy watching this so much lol.
Same. Given I have what appears to be a gaming rig now I might make the investment.
@@TheKaMeLRo same1
I'm one of them!
Those cannons have a wonderful sound.
Not so much when you are on the receiving end of them...lol
This is actually helping how I think about dogfights - even in WWI aircraft. I suppose that maximum time limits at WEP or Afterburner could easily factor in.
It's not really how dogfights work irl. Often times the planes that get shot down never even know they're being shot at. Oh also they might shoot at each other for some time before doing a merge. Sometimes both parties will expend all of their ammunition and not hit each other once. It's a lot less structured.
@@dfct9494 Yep, these are very “chivalrous” dogfights that rarely ever happen anymore. In modern times there’s a lot more intelligence assets (AWACS especially) that allow aircraft to fight over much longer distances.
@@jerrell1169 engagements at beyond visual range are extremely important to US aircraft. For example, to cut costs the targeting system on the f22 was an updated version of the one on the F18 with only a 15 degree angle of attack. When dogfighting with planes with more modern systems like the Eurofighter Typhoon, which can fire missiles with a 180 degree angle of attack, the F22 is going to lose every fight.
@@cdc194 man just came in to write something completely off topic for no reason lol. Nobody said anything about the typhoon or f22.
@@cdc194 lol....bruh. the F22 has a constant AOA of up to 70°. The EF is around like 34°. Maybe a little bit more.
My dad really looks good here in red. And you really did use his famous cannons and decent maneuverability to devastating effect.
Another nice video, GS.
It took me longer than I'd like to admit to understand this comment
@@Orange_390 still took less time than it took for a Phantom to turn in a rate fight, so you're good.
That bright red top paint is really cool. Maybe not really smart, but cool.
I think fights like these would be fun to watch from your VR perspective now that you showed it to us when you have to use those guns constantly.
Interesting to me that with the more advanced 5th gen. fighters, dogfights seem to happen at much closer distances. The 5th gen. tend to have much tighter turning, and of course you want to stay close to the bogie to jam the WEZ. So you ironically have these modern jets with > 1/1 thrust/weight, in a furball at WWII distances and speeds. Earlier jets have wider turns, so after the merge the fight is at a greater distance. (Also a function of deliberately choosing 2 circle). Wide, loopy turns at faster speeds.
Part of the reason for this is because the swept wing design was critical for gaining supersonic speeds at the time and aircraft design was heavily affected by this. Obviously, because of this, dogfighting tactics were developed to take advantage of this speed and climb advantage dating all the way back to the very first fighter developed in WW2. Turning rate was less important when you were several hundred knots faster than your opposition. As the opposition began to catch up, now you're basically back to square one with redeveloping tactics that more closely resembled the fight before you had the significant speed advantage.
I love the Mig-19. It's such a beautifully designed fighter aircraft.
looks a bit funky, but cockpit is sexy
@@SenkaBandit cockpits too busy and distracting imo
@@areyou0k98 I like it like that. Butttons!
Mig-19 is the ideal line development of the early 50s fighters and the most beautiful aircraft in DCS. Good to hear it is closer to flying as well as it looks.
Sadly no one talks about the history of Mig-19 Farmer in TH-cam. I'm always wondered the history behind it.
Is it just me or is the MiG-19 just such a cool looking jet?! I also think the F-5 looks pretty mean. Not the perfectly proportioned classic awesomeness of the F-15 or the wasp like sexiness (thats a wierd sentence, I admit) of the Flankers, but still a mean looking jet. Much better than the similar T-38.
My former boss flew F-4s in Vietnam. He wasn’t afraid of MiG-17s or MiG-21s (in most cases) but he HATED MiG-19s. Said they were very capable dog fighters.
yeah, he might have early onset dementia, your boss.
The -19 is a pig compared to the Fresco, which will turn circles around it any time of the day.
this channel is so underrated i always enjoy this kind of videos
The MiG 19 is an absolute animal in the right hands, key words being the right hands.
Sustained 7g rate fight...man those pilots had some cojones
My favorite plane in DCS. Really happy to see you fly it finally! Make sure you turn that radar on for assisted gun sights
Interesting.
I would like to see MiG-19 vs MiG-21 fights.
You know damn well that if it was Longshot flying, GS would have just plugged him until he blew up.
Wow, that's a masterpiece, man. So much patience required.
Nice vid bro! This is gonna be a interesting one
Thanks Supreme for being a target.
I should be eating my lunch but I'm watching a great dogfight.
I'm eating and watching
Amazing sportsmanship in the first round!
Growling is literally the entire reason I wanna get into DCS. Can’t wait for the checkmate fighter mod and the new Korean 5th gen fighter mod as well
I'm embarrassed to say, but I was today years old when i learned the mig 19 was twin engined
I'm way thrilled to see the MiG-19 come out to play GS!!!!! I sure hope that you bring it back out to take on some other planes! I'm told it accelerates like a bat out of hell. I am very curious to know how it would hold up against other jets like the F-4 or Mirage. Probably not too well, but hopefully you find a really good MiG driver to take on since you seem to be pretty dang good in a Mirage.
This is the cockpit WT is supposed to use in the 19PT dammit
I`ve been training heavily with the F-5 against the AI MIG-19. I know, not the same at all. But, if you want some target practice, I could be your next opponent.
@@davidsmith8997 Totally agree. Would be fun to watch too.
MiG-19 is such a beast! What a cool plane
I love to see you flying the ,,Farmer,, Just a great dogfight from both of you.
Great content again. I'm trying to pace myself on your videos.. watching a few per day.
more please :)
Last time I was this early, Thatcher was prime minister.
😂😂😂
The Tiger is a beautiful airplane and it was the first jetfighter model I built as a teenager.
Russian engineering: Take a metal tube, attach some fin like structures to it, put two engines in, and put a cockpit on it!
switch the two engines for a really big one and change the wings to a triangle - now you got the mig21
Thanks GS and also to supreme great fight.
i've never heard of the mig19 .... and yet somehow it looks exactly how I expected
That's not a F-5! That's a Mig-28
MAD RESPECT @ 1:56
Nice to see that ! !
The Mig19 has three guns of 30 mm caliber, with 120 rounds of ammunition per barrel. One gun is mounted in the nose of the fuselage at the bottom right, the other two are in the root parts of the wing consoles.
Never seen Supreme on the channel but good work to him, we are proud of him
I give it to the MiG 19 , every time . The fearsome farmer !
found the first one wholesome
u let him go home instead of turning the pilot into a ball of fire
Sure Supreme is good, but I prefer Longshot.
Just imagine Jeremy Clarkson saying, "this is good, but I like the other one".
Same Longshot wouldn't have made it easy.
I think shotgun put up the best fight against gs whenever we saw him
Give him a chance. He doesn't get to fight GS a lot, so this is a good training session for him. He can't get better and become a preferred pilot if he doesn't learn.
@@Strigon008 I never said he didn't do his best. Indeed he did, he is good. But I would prefer LS
@@dhruvyadav780 No, no, I get that. Was just saying give him a chance so that he can be a preference for you if LS is not available.
Mig 19. Designed by Mig on the rare "Bring a Suhkoi engineer to work day" day.
We'll probably never see the Mig 15, it's NATO code name hasn't aged well.
🤣
I wouldn't expect the MiG 19 to have a chance against a (slightly) newer US light fighter.
When I see the MiG-19 it reminds of show that used be on the Military or Discovery Channel about air combat. I think it was called "Air Aces". But anyhow, there was an episode about when a MiG-19 encounter a pair of A-1Ds coming back from a CAS SAR mission. The A-1Ds shot it down. Maybe you could recreate that. Just an idea.
What was that wing wiggling at the end of the first round ? A sign that he gives up ?
It’s called rocking the wings, it’s often used as a sign of “acknowledgment” in this case I took it as a surrender,
@@GrowlingSidewinder Oh i get it now thanks for the answer and keep on making great videos.
Seems like the F5 could have reversed the turn into the sun to shake things up a bit. Maybe that would have been a mistake, but doesn't seem so with the sighting systems on these jets.
Certainly an old and not as sleek aircraft, but it sure can pack one hell of a punch.
Very cool 👍 thanks
Giving the F-5 Sidewinders here wouldn't have changed the outcome. Great flying!
With superior missiles, avionics, and better maneuverability in all aspects aside from a slightly lower maximum turn rate... Not even close. Playing a video game and dogfighting likes it's 1942 is not a good way to determine air worthiness lol.
@@weasle2904 if I'm not mistaken the 19 has better climb, acceleration, ptw, and retention. I wouldn't call that inferior in everyway...
For absolutely no rational reason at all I have always loved the F5 more than any other aircraft. I kinda hurts to see it get curb-stomped by a MIG-19.
red Mig 19 looks very hot.
I have seen a Black and red JF17 flown by someone not as experienced as you.
If you can by chance get a hold on to the Black & RED Jeff, that would sweeten the screen much more.
All the best
could you do some 2v2 bvr fights? to show what it would be like to fly witha wingman and wingmen strategy
There was an "Udet-Guynemer-Moment", nice.
Special thanks for your explanations!
Do you find people that actually know the capabilities of their plane or does everyone just ignore their own strengths and go to the deck anyway? It really seems like almost everyone just fails to use any of the strengths or tactics that are best for their plane.
Could you please make a video in which you fly the MiG-23 against Longshot in the F-14 ?
Mig 23 just can't turn in DCS.... It just can't 😂
Always enjoy watching you work in a Mig
That is one garishly colored aircraft.
Would love to see the Mig 19 up against the Gloster Javelin or Hawker Hunter,
Why did you not finish him on round 1? Did he essentially throw in the towel? Confused sorry, new to DCS.
THAT WAS SOO KOOL someone who saved the plane
Thanks guys!
I'd love to see a vid just on transitions. I.e. how to go one-circle to two-circle and vice versa
Good request. I’d like to see this myself.
Those colours on the mig look really good.
The F-5 Tiger is one of my favourite fighers. Such a sleak, beautiful machine.
Farmer is a monster in one circle. Use those flaps to advantage. It can beat even an F-16 in scissors (off course only in horizontal).
I've got an idea
Do Mig 19 vs Mig 21
What about MiG 21 vs F-4 Phantom II?
Those slow-mos are cool
Imo those 30mm should have absolutely torn the f5 to shreds in the 1st round. One hits in the intake and the fragments would definitely get sucked into the engine, and one hit is square on the cockpit. Weird damage model interaction imo.
Thanks for doing this I was one of them!
I think i might have found your next video! .. Currently the Phillipines (sp) is making a decision between l large investment upgrading their aircraft to either the F-16 block 50 and the Saab Gripen. maybe a 1v1 video and comparison of the aircraft. source of info video on youtube called: F16 vs Saab Gripen The Philippines fighter competition
GS going old school love it.
Sounds like a battlefield theme
I’d like to see a Mig-19 vs Mig-21 fight
@Growling Sidewinder when the F-8 comes out try a dogfight with that the crusader has missiles and guns try it out it!
I look forward to that day
@@GrowlingSidewinder Oh hell yeah great fighter no doubt 👍😁
Russian units AKA "all of the world units"
Those NR-30's are no joke.
My boy could've forced an overshoot if he hadn't lost visual.....great fight regardless.
Just a suggestion...Vietnam era F8U up against the North Vietnamese MiG19
If he was flying a Tiger Shark you would be toast !😁
GS what is your favourite plane to dogfight in and why ?
Looks more like a Mig-28 than it does an F5. Heh heh heh.
It would be cool to see more of these videos where you swap planes after a round or two and discuss the different strategies being on each side of the fight.
YO RHATS A MIG-28