Vietnam Mig-17 Vs US F-4E Phantom | DOGFIGHT | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |
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F-14E ?🤨
Ah yes, the all time classic F-14E
Nice video title, P.S. typo
How about a 1967 Ford Pinto VS an A-10 fight. Could get interesting if the gas tank blows up. . .
Didn't you just turn into an average in ONE mission?
Damn!
Oh shit, the F-14E Phantom? The epic crossover we never got
Gottem! :D
There was a proposal for making a swing-wing Phantom called the F-4 (FV)-S, so yeah, that crossover almost happened😅
@@jgl6793 Never heard of that before now. It's a good looking plane!
Day 8 of asking for 2 morons in 1 phantom
VMFA-112. flew the ultimate Navy-Marine version of the Phantom, the F-4S, in 1987. On January 18, 1992, VMFA-112 became the last Marine squadron to fly the Phantom II, thus ending a thirty-one year relationship with the famed Phantom aircraft.
West Coast Phantoms here, and Kaneohe Bay Hawaii. S was slats, yeah?
@@KillerKev1961 yes sir they were.
You're Jesus you prolly ought to be able to fly anything...
@ltjjenkins lmao 🤣 I do fly helicopters now that I am a civilian. I was with VMFA 112 as a F4 crew chief from 82 to 87.
I spent some time repairing the An/APx-72 IFF, the Kit1a, and AWG-10A radar for VMAT-101 during the early 80s at MCAS Yuma.
F 14E Phantom???
Dude it's still locked in Northrop Grumman and Boeing technology.
Bro got access to those sekrit dokuments at Area 51
Still there because Boeing can't figure out how to keep the door from falling out
I am very glad DCS solved the operational issues with the AIM-7. The Pk (kill probability) of the AIM-7E was less than 10%; US fighter pilots shot down 59[Note 1] aircraft out of the 612 Sparrows fired.[10] Of the 612 AIM-7D/E/E-2 missiles fired, 97 (or 15.8%) hit their targets, resulting in 56 (or 9.2%) kills. Two kills were obtained beyond visual range.[11]
A lot of it had to do with the Vietnam war’s ROE, Vietnam’s environment and pilots trying to fire sparrows out of their operational limits. Not to mention the missiles weren’t being maintained or stored properly on the ground, leading to all sorts of issues
@@christopherchartier3017 That first argument seems hard to believe and I also never heard it before. Waisting equipment on a shot knowing it will never hit. That makes no sense at all?
@@DudemeisterNL You think militaries around the world aren't shooting bullets, rockets, missiles, artillery knowing full well that they won't hit their mark? Happens all the fucking time but I guess since you never heard about it I guess it actually doesn't.
@@Generic_Name_1-1 ...are you serious? What's the point of the video then?
Don't think it's standard procedure to release tanks while almost upsidedown. 😆🛩
On the first match I find it unbelievable. 3 Viet Nam era Sparrow launches and all 3 worked.
Those looked more like 7Ms based on the long burn time
He aint running Vietnam era missiles, hes using missiles from the future designed on the lessons learned from Vietnam
@@larrysteve7272 that takes all the fun out of it. I wanted to see 3 sparrows get laughed at by the NVA pilot.
Thought the same thing lol
Man the detail of this module is crazy. The way the ejection seat handles bend under g load and shake around. Just amazing.
I was watching your video on my TV and I just wanna compliment you on your amazing eyesight. I can't see anything you see at distance and I've always admired how you can spot and identify things so well. Keep up the great content 👍
Damn the F-14E is such a cool airplane
Yo were out here with the F14E Phantom 😂
Got to see a MIG 17 at an air show recently, it was crazy fast!
definitely one of the best planes to see perform. it looks so good flying
It cannot be crazy fast because it is not crazy fast.
Great video on the F4E and Mug 17 , would be interesting to run the same scenario under the US rules of engagement that IS pilots had to abide by ( that you had to have a visual identification of the target before you could employ the Sparrow misses severely reducing the envelope of the F4 ..( I read US pilots would lock a target then there wingman would go full throttle and spot the target allowing his buddy to fire the Sparrow beyond visual range ) simply amazing ! , In the video you a fault scissors with a Mug 17 and lived , simply amazing , keep up the good work !.
Damn, that whole video you made the F-4 look really good and easy (don't turn fight)
Took my first flight in it today. Flying, take off and landing is super easy. Wish the F16 was so easy to land in.
@@Gunfreak19 that's sick dude! Yet to touch the F4
I do prefer Vietnam era Fox 1s and boresight sidewinders because more skill is involved, especially because once you're fixated on a target (especially with Fox 1s), anyone can creep up behind you. I mean, anyone can shoot down anyone with little or no skill with helmet mounted tracking or AIM-9X.
the forbidden tomcat, the F-14E
The F-14E "PhantomCat"?
The deadliest stealth bomber
You know we need a dogfight video of F4 with five gatling pods!!!!
Vs the A-10
As long as the Phantom stays over 400 knots, it has superior transient maneuvering capability over the MiG-17. The MiG's manual controls develop very high stick pressure over 400 knots, which makes it slow to roll, with very heavy elevators to book. In fact, the MiG has a control stick extension that lets the pilot raise the top of the sick by 18 inches, to get more leverage. On the other hand, if the Phantom gets slow, the MiG can easily turn inside and stay with it through any reversals.
Yes sir. Classic tactics for the Rhino. Using the vertical to get the turning room you need.
Thank you for zooming in! I know in the past I've had a hard time seeing the Mig-21s but for some reason I could see these Mig 17s and was able to enjoy the video!
Good Job on the F4 video!! I worked on all of the huge rebuilds and mods of the old F4s at Hill AFB back in the 80's. Those were all stripped down completely and restored to far better than new. Some were sent back to their units, and others sent to an unknown location. No doubt other types of mods were added since then, but all the heavy duty rebuilds were all done in huge hangers during those years. The F16 had just started to be built then too, but no where near the massive numbers of all the F4's rebuilt.
I don't know if MiG-17 had RWR, but Russians were able to build a warning device for MiG-15's in Korea. It was capable to detect a radar rangefinder from F-86 and as far as I am aware it was developed after they examined downed Sabre
I don’t think so, especially when it’s export version, and even if the ‘17 have it, maybe only SPO-10(which don’t have fox1 warning function)
You guys took out almost the entire Vietnamese air force in 15 minutes lol.
Amidst the blue skies, a link from past to future. The sheltering wings of the protector… the flames of hatred scorch the skies, igniting Gaia’s funeral pyre.
Beautiful sandwich maneouvre on the 2nd bandit! Classic team work ACM kills!
F4 vs f104 dog fight. Lets see if theres a difference
yes a massive one
Super nostalgic fight! Reminded me of Dogfights on the History Channel. Thank you GS!
He owes you. GS doesn’t need saving, if you get caught thinking you’ve got GS where you want him, it’s a trap, grip the ejection handles and pucker up…
Except if it's a BVR fight. Then, if GS thinks he's good, you got the kill automatically
@@RT42069 this is fact. 👆
@@RT42069 Especially if a hypersonic missile is involved. XD
@@vicroc4 "I'm treating it like an AMRAAM so I should be ----" **boom**
Gotta love the f14e phancat
Phantcat: 😕
Tomtom: 😃
Phantomcat
Lima Sidewinders against Mig-17s? Not fair. Bravo Sidewinders would be more historically apropriate.
That’s what I was thinking. All the Sidewinders he fires at MiG-17s sure do fly straight and track really well.
Looks nothing like the gun camera footage from Wings over Vietnam from 90s Discovery Channel.
Looked like he was also firing AIM-7M as well, judging by the longer burn time. AIM-7D or E and AIM-9E or J would be the Vietnam era loadout iirc
Bro its 2 F-4E's against 3 MIG-17's, you really think the deciding factor is the Lima? A couple of AIM-7E-2's and 9E's and J's would do the job either way not taking into account the... you know, humongus difference between aircrafts and technology
@@yester8039 he was taking all aspect shots. If the Winders were Bravo, he would have to position 6 o clock behind the Mig. This makes a huge difference in tactics.
@@tomdtom5407 well, i very much doubt F-4E's would carry Bravos in vietnam outside very early flights where air to air was not even a thing yet, E's most likely
That engagement with you dragging the MiG and the other F-4 nailing him is exactly the kind of thing that they were trying to teach in TOP GUN, because they weren't teaching those basic air combat tactics in the initial training of fighter pilots by the time of Vietnam.
Good to see you carrying bags into a fight. The F-4 was always thirsty if you tapped blower and a no bag ride was always a very short trip.
i sure do love the F-14E phantom
3:32 what a badass shot !
Hi, can you make a detailed video on how to set the main controls to manage the radar and weapons? I would also like to understand how to use the AIM-7 and AIM-9. Thank you
That new F14E Phantom lol
Kind of flight lead everyone wants! Give wing the kill! Normally the brief is “keep up, listen up, shut up”.
God but I love the Rhino. No way I’ve got the brain capacity (or computer) to play DCS, but it sure does look gorgeous.
Nice Phantom mission. Great video 😀
One of the most ironic thing about the AIM-7 is people mostly got 3/1 of 'em still attached to the pylons after RTV/RTB
this new f-14E Phantom holy smokes skunk works has ben busy
I've asking for this for last 3 years.... Finally.. I got to see that
NO WAY THE PHANTOM HAS A SWING WING NOW?
Look up the F-4 FVS
The compilation idea is great. Keep 'um coming, please.
I think you may have found your new favorite fighter aircraft. Interesting stuff here.
Love these chaotic battles
10 out of 12 recent videos are about the F-4. Understandably so, since its the new hype. But about time you show us how to kill it :D
Your videos are so informative and cinematic I just love it.
Love the new modern aircraft but i need to see more of these older aircraft
These early IR missiles are tracking too well if you ask me. I thought the hit rate was like 20% or something like that. These missiles on dcs work 100% of the time.
There are many legends about the evaluation process of F-14. What about a F-4 vs F14 match?
Those vapors coming off the wing man… thank you GS ❤
3:43 - Interesting philosophical question. But why bifurcate when you could have both? That way you get two beers! 😁
"Friends don't let friends get shot down."
Thanks I am wishing to see you try your skill fighting Mig 21s and 17s flying an F8 or am F100
Great video of the F-4 you have been putting out!
You carry the Spirit of Vati Moelders
Watched this while listening to Meteor's latest album. SO EPIC 🔥
The MiG-17 was actually a very good fighter except for one major problem: anytime you turn on reheat (afterburning) the plane became extremely vulnerable to IR-guided air-to-air missiles.
The Phantom really feels like you're flying a brick with a big rocket strapped to it :D
Wondering if we're in a dogfight against MiG-17 is kinda scary though, remembering it has 37mm.
That parchute guy @10:40 was NOT having a good time seeing you barrel down on him like that. Poor guy probably thought he's about to be roadkilled.
Love these medleys. Lots of work I guess but hope to see more!
Loved the F-4 such a powerful bird.
75 years of MiG-17 "Fresco" in 2025 and 65 years of F-4 in 2023.
So there was a mig17 that had fox 2 capability but it was a late model
the first mig kill was almost history channel like lmao
Love the vids gs let’s see some more gwat missions maybe some nvg???😁😁 much love
Would like to see planes gunfight only, usaf against navy of different era's. For example Sabre vs Fury, F8 vs F106, etc. A competition for the best fighter in de 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's.
Would be a new creative content.
in Vietnam almost none of the air to air missiles worked, that's why they put a gun on the F4
F/A-18E/F vs F-35C (Fox-2 fight) would be epic to see! Navy vs Navy : Old vs New
Day 31
Ah the all time classic - F-14E Phantom
I would love to see an multicrew F-4E and an A-4E joint strike mission + dogfights, with carrier ops
The Mig-17 was actually the best rate fighter in the world until the Falcon appeared.
Hello GS I did asked you last week for MIG17 fight thank you so much for doing this and I hope you can kill one with canon next time thanks again l love your video's keep on great work ❤❤❤
Hope the 17 releases soon, F-4s need more food on the table.
Could you please do f15 vs su 35 bvr but your in the su 35, id like to see the flankers perspective.
im kind of surprised how easily you mopped up these migs given how tough a 21 was in a previous video.
PF version of Mig-17 should have a primitive Sirena-2 RWR.
Could you try something new - create a module status update video specifically related to upcoming REDFOR modules - MIG-17, MIG-23, MIG-29, SU-17/22 and J-8II ??
GS surely do F4 vs Mig-19. I think that will provide a big challenge for the f4 in a dogfight because of its insane rate fight and thrust to weight ratio
People: wondering about the F-14E in the OG title
Meanwhile, me: WAT? Is the MiG-17F out yet? Did I miss something?
Oh no guys! It's the F-14E PhantomCat!
Oh boy, my favorite aircraft, the F-14E
Hey GS, could you do bandit unknown videos with the F4E?? And I would also love to see you get some gun kills with it
I'm surprised that the sidewinders could be successfully fired from the not-quite behind position...
He must be using AIM9-L instead of G or J
Didnt know Grumman made a new F-14 looks pretty baller
Man i love Digital COmbat simulator! F14E is a great plane too!
To be more historical accurate, the F-4s have to deal with hundreds of S-75 Dvina
ya, more commonly called the SA2
The F4 will always be one of the coolest looking birds ever.
The most primitive RWR was on MiG-15.
Now we have the F-4, I'd like to see how Fox-1 & post-merge dogfighting the F-4 while in the Mig-21 works
Bro is loving F-4 Phantom
Randy Cunningham was not harmed during the making of this motion picture.
Is the Cessna A-37 Dragonfly "Super Tweet" available for action?
Ok letss see the F4 vs the F14 please.
Dogfight in title, look inside, sparrows
That pal didn't even drop his tanks, that's so humiliating.
I wish there was an option to put 8 sidewinders on Phantoms instead of 4 sparrows and only 4 sidewinders.
lol the whole air wing owes you a beer
With the F4s and MIGs being featured heavily any chance of doing a Constant Peg history lesson/dogfight series?