BMW M240i vs 991 Carrera 4S - New Things, Old Things, Same and Different | Everyday Driver
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 มิ.ย. 2024
- The 2022 BMW M240 updates the 2 Series we've loved in every form. But this updated AWD version has prices and specs that line up with a used 911, so we 're debating budget, value, and fun. Join us on a great road for a discussion of the age old question of new verses used.
#bmw2series #porsche911 #New #old
00:00 - 1:12 In love with the 2 series
1:20 - 3:13 The unexpected option
3:13 - 4:00 Bigger and still small?
4:00 - 5:32 Searching for Steering Feel
5:32 - 6:05 The M2 and the 1 year oddity
6:05 - 7:28 Bouncing Along
7:28 - 10:00 The 911 and the Rise of Electric Power Steering
10:00 - 11:10 On being timeless...
11:10 - 12:26 Non Turbos and Dollar Signs
12:26 - 13:25 Dual Clutches and New Automatics
13:25 - 16:15 Faster than you think
16:15 - Disappointments, Surprises, and the Porsche Tax
We'll post another TV episode from one of our past seasons, every month, right here on TH-cam.
Our very latest TV episodes are available on Amazon Prime or Vimeo, find them here:
www.amazon.com/gp/video/detai...
Subscribe for new TH-cam Videos on Thursdays - And be sure to hit the Bell!
Plus, weekly test drive videos on our other channel:
/ testdrivevideos
You can also find our Feature Films, twice weekly Podcasts, and more through our website:
everydaydriver.com
Thanks for watching!
Please help us by subscribing. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
![Yoshi Rinrada - 'มาทำไม' [Official MV]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/r41xbfRLkLs/mqdefault.jpg)
One problem,….good luck finding a 991.1 C4S for $60k. Also, I owned a 2013 C2S and…..it’s not the best. The later years of 991.1 Like 2015 and 2016 are much better from suspension and steering standpoint. Remember, this is Porsche’s first EPS system. It took a few years of tweaking to get it right. But the 3.8 engine sings and adores revs. And the 991 strikes a good balance of comfort and sport.
We were looking in the $65k range (as mentioned in the video...) and when we filmed this back in the spring there was a bunch of 991.1 C4Ss for sale in that range. When I looked earlier this week for prices to include in the video shown at 2:42 there was only two C4Ss at $65k in the country on AutoTempest but there was SEVERAL 991s of various trims that were as low as $51k and a ton under $65k. The C4Ss I saw were more in the $65-70k range now.
Exactly lol, porsches 2nd hand value on 2 doors is just nuts
I was reading something on rennlist about this the other day. They were trying to determine what parts and software/firmware might improve this. The consensus was that most of the tactile changes were due to better optimized suspension set up vs parts/software.
My 997.1 c4s is worth around the 50-55k range in this market, if someone buys it at least haha.
i agree. their best comparison could have been a new Audi S5 or RS5 which would be similar in comparison to this M2, i know some of those Audi's do have their "Quattro" variants which is Audi's AWD platform.
The 991 will depreciate less. That should cover the Porsche maintenance premium.
All 911's are just elegant and classy.
Personally, forget age. I look at all the 911 generations differently than most other manufacturers long standing models.
Each generation is a distinct car. I tend not to really think of them in terms of age, "a new 911" or "an old 911".
If I see a 997 or a 993 or any other 911 I don't think "that's an old 911", I just think "there's a nice 997". Each has its own special charm. I don't generally look at other maker generations in this way.
If only BMW can make them lighter. Porsche is really the ultimate driving machine
Totally agree, why the heck is modern BMW so heavy??
@@josefinkjellsson7051 all the new tech
@@coury8966 BMW stopped using aluminum on body panels from the e90/e70 models so save cost and all the complaints from insurance companies due to expensive repair, the cars got heavier and still are.
@@coury8966 and because they're built like battleships. Thick steel in every panel. I just went from a previous gen M240i xDrive to a '22 Si (~2,950 lbs) and you can feel the difference just closing the doors and trunk. The driving experience is also night and day - the Si is much more fun and engaging even just driving to the store. Lightness is everything.
Could it be possible that they are increasing weight disproportionally now so that the next gen (with batteries + weight saving measures) can remain at that same weight and BMW can applaud themselves for not having to increase weight any further with electrification?
Seems about right, the Porsche has always been a driver's car for raw experiences.
Lovely review. I feel the same way. Went from an F80 to a 991.2 T and never looked back. None of the new BMWs appeal to me anymore.
I’m totally with you. F80 here but keeping it as its the last good BMW. The new stuff is just rubbish and I’ve been a fan for 15 years. Looking for a 911 down the road when our lifestyles change.
Tommy, do you still have your BMW?
They’re all boring. That’s right. Sad. I have a 2011 e92m3 / 2006 325xi wagon / 2012 128i all manual and they’re all likely more fun than most new bmws.
Bmw guys next level up cars is always Porsche haha 😅
@@Bmwguy2011 Have you driven a new BMW? I just bought an F82 M4 that fell into my lap. This review kind of resonated with me. Cool noises somewhere far in the trunk, undeniably fast, amazing brakes, meh shift feel, and an unnecessarily heavy steering effort that doesn't communicate which I find the weirdest coming from a manual steering rack MR2. I figured the ultimate driving moniker might have been from days past. It's what I imagine driving a Mustang might feel like, though I suspect the Mustang might feel better (for me). I was looking at the m235i/m240i after seeing how fun they looked at TC America, but I'm slightly skeptical of modern BMWs. If it's not engaging and fun I don't want to go fast and I don't need that much power, and if I don't want to go fast and it's got that much room I might as well have 4 doors. I've found myself going 15 mph faster unknowingly on streets that I'm always on. I traded it with the girlfriend to drive her ND Miata around and outside of practicality it's not even close (outside of braking -those things are my favorite part of the car). It's a strange car to me. Two weeks in and I'm ready to car shopping. I was slightly hopeful to test an e89, but perhaps it's not a BMW thing and it's just a modern thing. lol
Nice review.
You’ll forget it is 10 years old- until you get the maintenance/repair bills 😅- as they say at the end.
As an older gentleman, I don't want to rapp out the engine or row any gears. I like turbo motors and their mid-range torque. I don't need to scare the neighborhood by revving out to 9k and banging gears. So for me the BMW is better and being new, that gives me peace of mind.
The production quality of this channel is outstanding. I watch all episodes - even if you are reviewing cars that I have little interest in. Your reviews are always well thought out and informative.
Thank you! We appreciate it and are glad to have you watching!
Great perspective for comparison. Maintenance cost is a wild card outside of warranty but otherwise performce cars of past ~15 years ago are plenty for public roads or even non-competitive track days. Any non-wrecked performance/sportscar sice 2002 is a candidate for second sporty car in your garage.
Not my garage. And anyone looking at a used sports car, will for all intents and purposes, trying to make it work for their budget and any comprehensive work will bankrupt them. ON the flips side, if they can afford a used Porsche and the maintenance, they are likely able to purchase it new, making this comparison rather moot.
Not many will want to gamble on a sports car that's been abused by someone else. And garage queens will not be cheap.
@@MisterMister5893 Disagree. The least expensive new 911 is over $100K, this one is $65K. Porsche maintenance is expensive, but $35K will go a long way. My experience: 11 years, 33000 miles, $17K in maintenance.
Great as always! Great camera, audio, especially the 911. Love how you’re comparing new to a used in a similar price range, now that the M2 is out. Does it compare more closely?
The problem is you will remember it is 10 years old every year you take it into the shop. Great video
And the BMW will bankrupt you as soon as the warranty is over 🙂
@@ArtVandelayOfficial b58 will not do your research bud
Actually Porsche is many times one of the most reliable car brands...pretty amazing that such capable cars are reliable. And I can say that BMW will be unreliable
@@drunkshooter4156 guess you haven't done your research, the engine in the m240i is one of the most tuneable and reliable engines ever to be made..
@@chamaldealwis9 there's more to reliability than the engine itself
You are clueless
Great comparison. I never would that thought to put these together but it makes so much sense now
Just read all the comments here, and crazy that Someone replaced their 2012 911 trans… twice. Haven’t heard that one yet. The thing no one has mentioned is that the 911 ages like a fine wine. I have a 2010 Targa 4S with 37k miles that I intend on keeping as long as I can. I had it fully wrapped in PPF to maintain the finish in an urban environment, and it’s my only vehicle (hatch back makes it somewhat practical)
911 4s are great on snow also
Great piece, nicely done!!
I drove my first 911 (991.2) on their Utah Adventure, and I was floored by how involving it was. I'd rather the old Porsche just because it was so fun and inviting to become a better driver.
Fantastic Episode thanks guys
Great vid chaps. Bought my 2013 991.1 c4s 2 years ago pxing my m6 comp and definitely the right decision. Was always focused on HP and gadgets but one test drive in the 911 and I was hooked. Get one with a decent aftermarket warranty and you won't look back. Now looking at either a DB11 or a 911 GTS and suspect it will be another 911 purely for the the driver fun.
You guys make great reviews!
6 years ago I put a deposit on the 1st M2, then started thinking. I can get a 2009, 997.2 /911S for the same money. I bought the 911 and 18 months later parlayed that into the '17 991.2 I have now. It was the right decision then and now. Drive the 911, you'll never look back.
I have this car! Well, mine is a 2012 991 C2S with PDK. Mine has sport Chrono. I've had it 8 years and not one problem. Biggest cost are tires and 1 brake job (discs and rotors). I love it. I had a 997 and I can't tell that the steering has any less feel or precision.
How many miles?
@@ismaelgarrido2665 48k
Love this comparison. I think it really just depends on what you’re wanting the car for and this comparison did a great job of showing that. I bought a manual 2013 911 C2, which admittedly I’ve modified some, and I absolutely love it…but it’s a weekend car for me, not a daily. But the feedback you get in the Porsche is great and you actually have to work to get the most out of it. I have owned two BMWs as well and did enjoy them, but definitely different.
Great video as always. In this market a 991.1 4S is about $75-80k. I assume the owner bought it in 2020 or earlier. If I could find one for $60k, Porsche 911 all the way, no contest. I have a Miami Blue 2017 991.2 manual that I bought in 2020 with 8k miles CPO for $75k. She' a keeper.
Yeah, there’s absolutely no way that car, or anything close to it, was $60k. That’s straight up dishonest.
@@boobacockaa We straight up said the car in the video was $65k when it was purchased and show current prices (pulled yesterday) at 2:42. The market has changed slightly since we filmed this in the spring but nothing was dishonest about pricing.
@@boobacockaa go look at the prices now. We’re in a major market correction.
@@anthonye1028 - Carreras getting cheaper? Uh-oh, time to find a bargain.
I was lucky enough to pick up a Cayman R for less than $35k because it has over 100k miles. It's 12 years old, it's in beautiful condition, last owner put Ohlins suspension on it. It wants for nothing, it just has that high milage, but what else could I get for the fun it gives me. Keep your new cars! My daily is a Van! lol the Porsche is for fun.
Amazing video. I love your channel.
Glad you like what we do. Thanks for watching!
A lot of things came to my mind while watching this video. One of them is the "old vs new" hit me really hard. I've driven a few modern cars - nothing like Porsches or BMWs) and every single time I drive a car made in the last five years, I miss my old '95 Honda Accord Wagon. Like the Porsche in comparison to the BMW in this video, it loses in technology, but I have never EVER felt so comfortable and felt so much pleasure driving a (ordinary) car. I'd buy many Accord Wagons like the one I used to have with the money of a new car, rather than getting a new one. And the second main thing that crossed my mind was this: much more than I envy you guys for being able to drive such cool cars, I envy you for the roads you drive on. Here, right in the middle of Brazil, everything is very straight, so you have to do insane speeds to have fun on wheels. Thank you for yet another excellent video!
I bought a 2012 991.1 C4S in 2016 and love it. I cover 8000 miles a year in UK and Euro road trips. I've looked to change to a 992 or RS4/5, but why, it's fantastic and reliable! The 3.8 engine is hard to beat. As a bonus it's only lost around $15K in value in 5/6 years too and values are strong and getting stronger.
What an amazing landscape.
Love, love, love my c2s 991.1. Have had it for 8 years, and it still feels special every time I drive it
This is another great one from u guys. I see all the comments but I’d take either one of these cars
Great video! I recently purchased a 2014 CPO 911s /w powerkit and 26k miles. Best bang for the buck. The 3 year unlimited Porsche warranty is icing on the cake!! You summed up everything perfectly.
Congrats on your 911 purchase. And glad you watched and enjoyed this!
This was awesome.
You guys are still my all time FAVORITE TH-cam car reviewers. Well done!
Great comparison!!!
Guys you know how to do this job. Congrats.
the 911 is without a doubt the right choice. I have been in the market for one for a while. I have not had much luck finding a 2012 - 2015 carrera 4 s for less than 80k.
they turn up occasionally but are the exception and tend to have a lot of miles, more than 70k miles.
Yeah, when I looked yesterday there was only 2 in the nation on AutoTempst. That said, when we filmed this back in the spring there was several.
@@phattyhales ah! It's all coming together now. Thank you for clarifying. One day, probably when possessing gasoline is a class 3 felony, I will get a great deal on a Carrera 4 s. Superb filming btw.
I got my 2012 Carrera 2S for 50K, these 991.1’s are extremely overlooked right now compared to the other 911’s. While all the other 911’s (Air-Cooled, 996, 997, 992, 991.2) are going up in value these seemed to have stayed behind, I definitely recommend you get one before it’s too late
@@vwjetta4138 the 991.1 c2s hooks up very well too. Can’t see a reason to own the 4s unless you drive in bad weather or are stuck on the wide body. Only reason I sold my c2s was being scared after the warranty ran out. I used the warranty on that car too a few times. Door panels and changeover valves were suspect on these cars
@@jimhimesjr you really should’ve kept it. These cars are only going up in value. My car hasn’t had any problems and even without warranty I wouldn’t sell it, but if you have trouble with parts pricing and availability then I understand why
I bought the BMW M240i and I LOVE it. Yes, the steering involvement isn't all there but its a great car. Someday Ill be able to afford a brand new 911, but for now this is a fantastic gateway into a high performance luxury vehicle.
Great video. One small correction, the 991 C4S does have adaptive suspension. It came standard on all trims above the base models.
You are correct. They all had PASM but don't all have PDCC.
@@phattyhales PDCC is the hydraulic sway bar system. PASM is the active damper system.
Great review! I work at the Murray dealer and my mom has a very clean 2002 E-39 530i m sport. I would like to see you guys drive her twenty year old BMW! That old car has amazing steering feel and driving dynamics, but that was before electric steering….
As long as they don’t become unobtainable or impossible to maintain, a 991.2 Carrera is my retirement car (they’ll be 30 year old cars at that time most likely). I do love the sound of the NA engine but the 911 magic comes from putting torque down to the pavement, and the turbos help so much with that.
I’m with you, I like turbo power combined with the Carrera body.
Stellar comparison. Exactly how a lot of us shop.
I would LOVE to see an M240i vs RS3 video from you guys.
this is how my mind works when it comes to cars. I could very easily compare these 2.
Shmuckers great observation
Literally was shopping these two exact cars a month ago! My brain got the best of me, and ended up going with a 2021 Certified M340i-two more usable doors, not that much slower than the M240i, $5k cheaper than said 2, plus the peace of mind that came with the CPO warranty. Not to mention it was in the exact spec I wanted at a dealer 3 minutes away from home. 😊
The M340i is one of the best all around cars on the road today in my opinion and kind of a sleeper considering it’s power and performance. You made a very good choice!
I as well went with M340, it’s my Daily Driver. I really enjoy driving it everyday, I usually keep it in Comfort Mode. When you but it in Sport Plus Mode it changes the performance significantly! Car is Unbelievable off the line! I havnt lost A street race Yet! I do Pick my Challenges LOL. point is, BMW M340 is A VERY CAPABLE CAR.
I had an m235 as my every day car and loved it. Had a two 335s and loved them. In addition to the 2 more-usable doors, you get an actual trunk with fold down rear seats… The 911 can’t best them in practicality. Also you mentioned warranty: yup. That 911 gonna cost more over your current warranty period, guaranteed. 911 great at what is, I like them (more of a cayman guy myself and had 3 of them) but used 911 is a tough sell as an only car.
m340i is very fast. nearly as fast as the f8x m3/4
@@frankmirandosr875 yea M340i is a no joke car
The size and weight increase is what made me go from my E46 M3 to a 911 (manual of course). The feel isn’t even close. If I stuck with BMW, it would have had to have been an E9X M3. FYI, if you want more of a “drivers car” get a 2S and manual, but you know this.
I own a 2014 981 Cayman S (manual) and I had one of these as a loaner while mine was in the shop temporarily. It has the same engine as this C4S, except mid-mounted. I'd never driven BMW's before so I was excited. I was shocked, and not in a good way. The BMW felt _so_ detached and just frankly dead relative to the Porsche. It was like driving on a cloud, but with absolutely zero feedback. It honestly felt like just a luxury commuter.
The summary of the disconnect you feel is exactly how I felt driving an RS5 and decided it wasn't for me.
Porsche servicing is actually quite reasonable. We have 87 928S4 and 2012 Cayenne diesel. Parts for 928 are ok, the odd part will be crazy, offset by superior build quality. check out 928sRUS. Cayenne is cheaper to service than GLS, a whole lot nicer to drive, build quality is streets ahead, plus you can extend warranty to 15 years. 911 will hold value way better than BMW 2 series. May as well buy a Panamera than a 2 series!
I guess these guys know zilch about tuning. The Bimmer's tune ability can make it a supercar hunter w/ a little more $
Love your guys’ comparisons! Why oh why does BMW have to keep adding weight…here’s to hoping for a 1 series M that can slot in where the 2 used to be. Cheers!
The problem is, even they do that, they'll still be using unnecessarily thick steel in the body panels and it will weigh 3,500 pounds. Sure, it will be fast, but if I'm going to have a car that's that compromised for space, I'd rather have a slow but more engaging 2,800 lb BRZ. If Toyobaru puts the 3 cylinder turbo in it, they'll get my money in a heartbeat.
The z4m40 weighs 3300
really sums up my experience. current bmws just lost something and against that 911... no chance
Pausing video and opening Autotrader to look for old Porsches 😉
Great comparison. Pls do more videos like this. For example the new M3 vs a used AMG GTS
Glad you liked this. We appreciate the recommendation for more of this kind of comparison. We’ve got others too. Thanks for watching!
Very nice review, I absolutely love reviews focused on any Porsche, from any year. Analog is a great descriptor for the Porsche and I think too many manufactures have worked it completely out of their vehicles. This is why I love my IS 500, it's not nearly as analog, but it has just enough elements to make me feel connected and enjoy the drive.
understanable!
Thanks for that...now I am really confused as to my next sports car 🙂
driven BMW my whole life then I bought the wife a 2008 Alfa Romeo 159. We had a 156 a few years ago and loved it. Anyway the Alfa has stollen my heart. Life is way to short to drive brilliant but soulless machines like BMW, and Alfa Romeo is just fabulous. Greetings from Ireland.
Thank you for this. Now that my boys are teens, the oldest will get my 335i M Sport when he turns 16 next year. I can go back to a coupe again. I was in between the first M2, or a 997.2. Both are under $50k, and available in manual. I like the M2 base because I’m used to the N55 from my 335i, which has been pretty reliable. Knock on wood. I’ve always wanted a 997 or a 991 because they are still pretty small compared to the 992. The 992 is great, but they have that squashed look like the Camaros do. I prefer the more upright 911. Anyway, I’m waiting for prices to settle again. Right now, used car prices have been around 20% higher than normal.
335i is a dangerous car for a teenager.
@@petermartin9494 You’re absolutely right! Especially the suspension setup doesn’t match the power of this car. I feel it needs to be planted more for the speed it can produce. I have a year to consider my options.
I like this comparison, but what lender is going to give you a relatively sane interest rate on a 2013 car?
Where do you find a $60g 911 4s without issues?
Wish you did this comparison sooner, I bought a 22 m240i and couldn’t agree more.I miss my modified 16 Subaru STi which was more engaging to drive.I’m hoping by adding an exhaust and other modifications it will make driving the 240 more exciting.
💯 seems BMW has lost their way in the last 12 years or so. The cars keep getting heavier and there is very little left for the true driver.
I would appreciate a used 911, but still can’t afford one. Guess I’ll keep driving my old 944.
Excellent video, as always, though pitting a second-hand E92 M3 vs the 4S makes more sense to me - here the ~$40k US BMW takes the 4S down, for less money. All said, great notes on perks of old vs new, and oh why oh why did BMW lose its magic of yesteryear; too much weight, no feel, and (especially now with the iPad dash) too much tech. Keep a driver’s car what it is. Hopes that a 1 series returns!
I understand your point very well guy's I own already two porsche in my life, but I buy the M240i xDrive hands down this time... Why? Full cover warranty, free maintenance service for 4 years BMW paid the bill and also it need a real skills driver to perform well that BMW car on a road race track, the only thing you need is a nice set of Cup 2R tires and big balls in your pants. This BMW is so nice, powerful, affordable and my head is clear about any problem the car could have, because the warranty is there for me! Pay $15K more for a ten years car and freaking out about the expensive Porsche service and maintenance all the time... No way sir, I pass on this one my friends! I love my M240i and I enjoy every second with it.
Another gem. The video, not so much the Beamer. As someone whose 2nd car back in the '70's was a BMW 1600, and who has test driven- not owned thank goodness- numerous BMW models since, something has been lost. Of course as good as the PDK is, I could not bring myself to buy a Porsche without three pedals.
Wonder if you could get a great driver's car that you can daily, for just over half what this 10 year old teutonic icon costs?
Something weighing even less than the 911, and way, way less than the M240i. Yet with a real rear seat and storage? That was fast, grippy, with first rate brakes, adaptive dampers, rarer then either of these two vehicles, and yet easier to maintain? With a six speed manual? Nah, that car doesn't exist, but it would be cool. Excuse me while I go jump in my FK8.
3:30 The 1-series Hatchback is sold on many other markets outside the US.
The white speck on the 911 steering wheel is driving my OCD nuts. lol
Sounds like the bmw is the perfect bachelors car. Can easily be your only car, still capable of ripping around for fun while also no issue with cruising, can take a date or friend around, can take a little luggage. We are now complaining that it’s too perfect
Do you think it would be possible for the M2 to overcome the things you don’t like about the M240i? I think you’ll probably have exactly the same thoughts about it. Is the 991 pretty much the same feeling and driving experience as the 981?
At least on the track, 991 is vastly different from 981. With 991 you have to brake harder to get front tires traction during turn in, but you can floor the gas earilier leaving the corner; with 981, less help turning in, but have to be on the gas later, or the car spins.
I've driven a 981 Boxster S and a 991.1 Carrera 4 Coupe, and honestly? In town, or on public roads, they feel similar, at worst, they feel related. But the 911 is a little more refined and compliant - not a ton, mind. The Boxster has a more fun and eager feel to it, but when I put the 911 in Sport mode and use the paddles on a nice road, it feels every bit as enjoyable. I haven't tracked the cars, but honestly, it depends on what you want to do with the car. If I could have a weekend-only car, I'd go with a Cayman or Boxster. For a daily, as you might expect, the 911 really is better. You could daily a 981 as long as you don't need rear seats, though.
Hqveyou seen the new M2? No matter what it overcomes, looks alone are a deal breaker
8:37 my BIGGEST gripe with the 991 gen
$60K also buys a pretty nice M2 Comp w/some warranty, if you want to meet in the middle. That’s a comparison I’d like to see.
The average 991.1 C4S on the market right now is an 80k+ car all day long... not really a fair comparison but good video. I think a base carrera or carrera 4 would be around that price.
If you ask me, the base Carrera is not a bad way to go. Just because it's "base" doesn't mean it is underpowered, and it still feels like a 911.
yea I guess I only look at manuals but a good manual c4s with low miles with an na engine are north of 80k if not close to 100k. the automatics I'm sure are under 70k...
I was configuring the 2 series for ordering and realized that BMW has stopped offering the M-Sport version and dynamic handling package for the 2023 230i coupe, which was offered till September 2022. This is Pushing me to either get an M240i RWD, new for 2023, that has all of the above that I want, for $7000 more or get a 330i with M-sport and dynamic handling package for $5000 more. It is a shame because 230i M-Sport with DHP was the best “lightweight” backroads carver in the entire BMW line till last month. Do I really want an overweight 3 series? Or do I want to pay $7K more for an overpowered 382hp, for which I really do not care? I am an actual customer, and BMW will probably lose me on this one.
I've heard the options are still offered, just temp. off the site, but can be ordered thorough dealer sales. Due to supply issues I think
Can you really find a good 991 for $60k? Seems like fantasy but I haven’t checked prices lately
The prices show at 2:42 was pulled yesterday.
@@phattyhales well I’ll be dipped. Had no idea.
I was just having this conversation on the way home from dinner. My wife has an M240i (2017) and we love it but I want to have the Porsche feel of my old Boxster in a newer car.
I have a 2017 M240i also. They keep trying to convince me to buy a new one, but I think it' just too big now, and a step backwards in looks. It's more of a 3 in size, really, and the 3 is a 5. I like the small(ish) car feel. They all seem to be getting like whales now. I guess people perceive bigger to be better. The previous gen M2 CS is just such perfect size and is stunning visually. I think BMW is losing its way a bit.
The F22 M240 with coils and BBKs and a mild tune is where it's at.
Agreed. I have a lightly tuned 2019 M240i and I can afford something much more expensive, but for the daily drive, I am finding difficulty finding a better all around car. Plus I can throw a full size spare in the trunk for long drives.
Bit of a silly comparison, but nice try guys. The M240i starts at $48k. You absolutely don't need to option it out to close to $60k to enjoy the car. I also have doubts that $60k will get you a good 2013 911. Emphasis on good. I have no doubts some are listed at that price, probably by shady second hand dealers. But you know the saying, if something seems too good to be true... In the end, I choose the BMW. I rather give up a bit of steering feel and badge prestige in favour of a warranty, newer tech, and a very reliable and tuneable B58 engine.
I really like the comparison of the 240i to the GTR as it could actually be a tuner’s car at a fraction of the price of the Godzilla, minus DCT clunky shifting
Guys try not to distract us with astounding scenery. We want to focus on the cars. Awesome insights
240i as a daily and 991 for weekend track days. Solved!
I've noticed something, German cars cost in Germany about 10k more than in the US...
The m240i xdrive starts at 58k€ with 0 options selected.
I think previous 2018 bmw m2 competition would be better than both cars for about same price.
Does anyone know who makes that spoiler on the Porsche?? I haven’t seen many of those on modern Porsche’s, if it’s aftermarket it looks clean!
It was a fairly rare factory option actually.
M240 looks great idk why people give it a hard time. Best looking bmw right now imo
Can I get that Porsche with a manual for 60k? What's the mileage on the odometer?
I totally get it and what you're saying. I'd love to trade up from my GR Yaris but it's truly irreplaceable 😎
A better comparison to the BMW M240i would have been the Mustang Mach 1. Both cost about the same price new. When Car and Driver compared them the Mach 1 came in 1st and BMW 3rd but it would interesting to hear your take.
no awd no interest
In response to your podcast today where you mentioned this video - I am the guy that would like the comparison between the BMW M240i and the Dodge Challenger GT AWD.
Great comparison. I am thinking about this as I am prepping to buy a Supra
Get Supra. Newer
9 year old sports car versus new sport coupe? Thats pretty wild. Still id take the 911 out of the two cars shown. Fun insights
Wanna see a 2018 911 cs vs new m2 comparison next.
Guys, great clip as always. But please, the 911 isn`t a 2+2 coupe. The seats in the back are only for small kids at best..
Can echo the sentiment about BMW lacking driving feel but doing so many things well. Currently own a 2016 M235i and it's sneakily quick, especially in Sport+ mode and the steering tightens up quite a bit. Compared to my 2016 Ford Focus RS, however, the driving feel is night and day. That car was FUN, responsive steering (compared to BMW) and inspired so much confidence that I never felt in danger in high speed corners. The problem was that is was quite possibly the most uncomfortable car I'd ever owned. I owned a '14 Focus ST and a '08 WRX before the RS and those were infinitely more comfortable than the RS, however, the RS could do things that no $40k (at the time) car could do.
The better answer is really a 997.2 with few owners and a really good service history. Then you get steering feel.
1:52 the size of the new 2 Series!! Next to the 991 it looks monstrous - in more ways than one.
That’s also camera angles too though, they are showing the back end of the Porsche which is short and the front end of the BMW which is long and on top of that, the BMW is white which stands out more and the Porsche is black which blends in more.
I had a 991.1 previously and had several mechanical issues but honestly I think all German luxury/sports cars maintenance costs are exorbitant. I think everyone who first drives the 911 says “it’s engaging” simply due to physics. You sit very low to the ground and the perception of speed since the ground seems to be moving faster, even at 60mph you feel like you’re doing 80, you get the sensation of “fast.” And yes I tried M2/3/4/8 and they drive pretty numb and clinically. Just my thoughts 😊
What year is the Porsche.
After over 20 yrs with BMW ( M3s & M5s ),
BMW has just lost there way in several areas . Went to Porsche my first was the 991.2 Turbo S & now the 992 it was light yrs from BMW . Great example using a 10 yr old Porsche vs the latest BMW. As far as maintenance M-Cars are not that far off then the Porsche.
The 991.1 4s now around 75-80K easily, hard to compare. Similar price range is 991.1 base or 997.2S. And after three years, BMw worth 35K, 911 worth 10K more as 992.2 will be hybrid. Easy choice isn’t it?