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Rattan Archers vs Arbalests
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ต.ค. 2018
- Comparison of the Vietnamese Rattan Archer and the regular Crossbow/Arbalest in Age of Empires 2.
0:44 Rattan vs Arbalest stats comparison
2:03 Rattan vs Arbalest hidden differences
3:30 Both units vs Skirmishers
4:50 Rattan Archers vs Arbalests (direct fight)
5:20 vs Plumed Archers
5:55 vs Chu Ko Nu
6:50 vs Knights
7:35 vs Spearmen
8:27 vs Huskarls
8:37 vs Scorpions
9:24 vs Mangonels
10:43 Concluding thoughts
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Game: Age of Empires 2 HD with Forgotten Empires, African Kingdoms, and Rise the Rajas expansions
8:35 "Speaking of insects, let's move on to arachnids"
-Spirit of the Law, 2018
Speaking of arthropods :D
And maybe one day he'll bring up annelids
He must have felt so proud of himself after saying that 😂
One day he will say myriapods
Ah, my people are here. Bliss~
Their pierce armor does not come from their shield...
But their umbrella hat
Well, they might die on the battlefield, but at least they are not getting wet.
These kind of Helmets have been common across wide regions, considering the hat-helmets many Ashigaru wore, the Rattan Archers themselves all the way to european Iron hats. I'm fairly sure they're predominantly designed against Archery, probably because archery was likely often employed by having lots of them rain arrows rather than shoot directly.
All jokes aside, the pierce armor probably their "rattan" armor, which is recorded to be immune even to melee attacks and only weak to fire ... only if they had the melee armor too in-game
WELCOME TO THE RICE FIELDS
It’s called “Nón” in Vietnamese
Rattan Archer vs. Arbalest.
*laughs in Huskarl.
*rattan archer and arbalist are shooting each other when a crazy madman comes out of nowhere and runs them down*
@cristopher wong It's the ultimate weapon.
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Why am I so enthusiastic about these videos? I'm not even playing the game...
Prob the intro, I find myself grooving along whenever I'm high on marijuana
@@whossoap355 Could be part of it haha. No, but seriously I find these videos and the way SotL explains and comes to conclusions, with all the numbers being presented in a super handy and clear way, to be weirdly satisfying. SotL actually made me play AoE2 again, because I just loved the videos even after not playing the game for around 8 years.
For me, I like to watch them when I am feeling stressed or when the world seems full of chaos. Watching someone do such a careful and clear analysis of a system just soothes me.
his sexy voice
I know right!
i missed you man we need more content
Better to wait a while for good quality than getting a mediocre video every week :-)
@@_number1162 yes thats true but it doenst change the fact that i just wanna wacth more
He's been pretty hard at it up until now. Probably just needed a break.
Remember guys, size does not matter! 1:58
Is the skill what makes the difference.
Rattans have bigger hats.
I found the best property of Rattans is how good they are at fighting in the enemy base. Towers, TCs or castles, they can just walk right up to them, kill all the villagers and just won't die :)
Sadly still get massacred by cavs tho
True, this should've been mentioned in the video.
Yeah i was waiting for that, like the potential to raid vills or tradecarts is really big and enemy skirms wont be able to keep up
@@zeroyuki92 that's literally the same thing for all archers lol
Vietkong's blood, I supposed :v
As a Vietnamese i can confirm that having a tiny shield gives our arrows more pierce amour
Hey SOTL,
You should start a series looking at individual unique units and their real life historical counterparts, formatted kind of like your campaign analyses (a bit more game analysis would be nice though :P). Just saw a video yesterday on real life Arambais and they’re pretty cool! Just a thought.
If you are wondering about this specific unit, rattan infantry/archer was famous for their weakness of fire attack. In the legends of the Three Kingdoms period, the Southeast Asian tribes' rattan soldiers were destroyed by Zhuge Liang's army with fire arrows. And BTW, Chu-Ko-Nu is actually named after Zhuge Liang.
@@weijiabian8378 Could be just my copy of the books, but Kongming's destruction of the rattan troop was so horrific and decisive, it shocked and terrified him! Not a direct quote, but he said that the sight of it took years off his life.
One unique unit that could be cool is a siege archer. One with a slow movement rate and a very slow rate of fire but very high attack and a bonus against buildings and other siege.
Unfortunately the biggest users historically of super heavy archers were the American civilizations as they didn't have pack animals so couldn't easily move around large siege engines. The only European nation to make substantial use of them were the English with the longbow.
Vietnamese getting some love lately
SOTL's affair? 🤔🤔🤔
who don't want to get 500 gold surprisingly?
SOTL's new girlfriend is Vietnamese. He thinks he will gt 500 gold if he marries her.
That's cos these are all a prelude. Vietnamese are the only civ left for him to do an overview on, and so he's parceling bits of it out piecemeal to drag out the torment for as long as possible!
This is called foreplay. You gotta prep before you go all the way.
Sotl uploads video I watch it instantly... Your content is class apart bro..... Most insightful and in depth
I can't agree more I don't even play this game online and just casually on the campaign
Hundy percenty agree
I rattan this video 10/10.
Rattan Archers had originally +1 vs infantry which made them quite good at killing them, Huskarls especially, shame it got removed.
This was probably their best selling point to get them instead of Arbalest.
As of now Rattans are not that much usefull besides sitting under the enemy Town Center.
There's still the fact that they perform really well agaisnt skirms though which are the cheapest archer counter
they have better attack stats then crossbow line tho...so that's something
They're an anti-archer archer which is very pop efficient. Is that not a good enough niche?
@@Cerebrosum CKN actually do that better, Rattan doesn't do well against Huskarl and rams, they are more like Raiding Archers.
@@CrnaStrela
I wish they got more HP. Having less hp than an arbalest really hurts their 'tanky archer' status. Plus Vietnamese deserve a real eco bonus.
I was worrying about the early lectures i have to attend tomorrow morning. With Spirit uploading a vid, not anymore.
So.....
Spirit of the law make a Video for:
Rattan Archer
Imperial Skirmisher
Paper Money
Elephants
But still bi civ overview?
Whats up man?
Well, we needed all these explanation videos before we could get into the proper civ overview.
He usually starts making videos about the civ that he wants to study before the actual overview
Nguyễn Hải Dương ... your name is like a serial killer btw =))
Yep. All about Vietnamese civ but no vietnamese review. Ehhhh
@@luyenluyen7763 so your name too
Spiritofthelaw : A chu ko nu
*automatic subtitles* : a chicken oooh
I can't believe this game is still so damn popular. WOW!
Dude your content is next level and ALMOST 150K SUBS ARE YOU CEREAL?
lol how thumb ring increases accuracy on crossbows? aoe2... love u
Rattans are goods against towers with a Saracen ally. Of course fight towers with archers isn't a good choice,but with Vietnamese rattan archers it can works
Great video
Personally, I still go for imperial skirms rather than any other ranged unit
Trash is love and if you have a strong eco, you can afford to mass extra-quality trash and not depend on gold that much.
That's how I win my 1v1's anyway :)
The best stress buster during exams is when you see a new SOTL video uploaded.
I can't say it often enough, but your intro is still way too good. Coming back for that alone
I really like the way you analyse units from a neutral standpoint. You bring in your own opinion while also not letting it affect your conclusion. That's great!
I love your Content, please Keep it up i was a little worried because you havent uploaded any videos lately :)
I haven't played AOE2 since I was in middle school, was really surprised to find that it still has an active community, and was wondering if I should get back into it with all this new content it has... I redownloaded and immediately remembered why I stopped playing as a child: that you seemingly need to use the entire keyboard at all times to keep up in an intense game. I see all the hotkeys and my brain melts. I see that I basically need to instantly manage dozens of small moving pieces on a big map and my brain freezes and refuses to move. Even fast paced First Person Shooters don't tax my attention and concentration like any RTS games do. I just can't grok how to command my civ, and I remember that even in the campaigns, even the easiest ones had me wondering what I should be doing and how I should be doing it, resulting in clear times for easiest difficulty bots taking multiple hours. I just feel that to get to the point where it comes natural to me would require that I beat my head against it for weeks as I memorize everything and build up my nonexistent muscle memory, and only then would I be playing at a skill level where I might be having fun. Is there anything I can do SOTL? The game still looks interesting after all these years.
check out the new defintive edition, it comes with new tutorials as well
Oh Spirit of the Law, to hear your voice is to feel life again!
An Archer that beats elite skirms? o_O
What's next? An archer that counters onagers and siege rams?
@@MrXXAntonXx That would be the future lovechild of the Longbow and the Chu ko nu...
@@MrXXAntonXx Well, technically we already have such a unit, 'cept it's a mounted archer - the Mangudai!
@Zachriel The same could be said of the Geneose Crossbowman.
Counter units don't always beat gold units, they're just cheaper. Bet you're not surprised a halberdier can't beat a paladin 1 on 1.
You should re do some of the civ overviews if only to hear your voice. It’s really soothing. Your videos always help me deal with anxiety, even if I haven’t played aoe in, like, 10 years.
Spiriiit!! Missed you, man!!
Ratata archers are so nice.
Yes. Wonderful. Love it. Please do more comparison videos like this!
I'd really love to see Spirit play Red Dead Redemption 2. Btw, nice video. This video really helps a noob like me. And thank you for taking some time to give us some good content. Its getting scarce day by day.
one word: archers with shields. its somewhat surprising that armour made of literally fibres have greater stats than chainmail.
I know, it's pretty ludicrous at best. Though, arrows can, and often do, pierce their way through chainmail gaps and all that easier than slashes and such.
Reportedly, the Teutonic Knight in-game wears one of those, which sort of explains the ridiculous melee armour he has, but not much in the way of pierce armour.
I know rattan can be fairly sturdy for such a light material and all that but I really doubt it would be immune to arrows XD
Actually rattan armour is designed to be more resistant to slashes rather than arrow damage. In a game balance pov, rattan archers is like plumed archers (good against other archers and infantries) but aren't as mobile, making them an awkward unit choice despite they have such high pierce armour. Reworking them as an archer unit with high melee armour would be interesting, but I'm not sure how to balance it right.
@@ibeyan Honestly, Rattan was designed to be a raiding unit. Which is fine and dandy, but they should really have the same ms as plummed to be effective
Still love listening to that intro need to make a full length one some day
I love the sheer amount of effort he puts into his videos.
I really enjoy your voice... u ever considered commentating on AoE 2 game play?
He actually did commentate on a game or two...I think it was with T90
I'm almost certain he's done more than a couple.
Sniff sniff
A Vietnamese civ overview on horizon
Is KaramBitcoin a new addition to the intro? Haven't noticed it before, had a good laugh.
I feel like the relation between Rattan Archer and Imperial Skirmisher is similar to Camels and Halberdiers. Both achieve the same goal of countering a type of unit but you pay gold for extra speed.
Although the Rattan doesn't cost any more gold than the Archer line, on a cost analysis, that's roughly the parallel of that indeed.
The gold is actually more for raiding, which is nifty
Since their pierce defence is so incredible I would've loved to see the outcome of a heads-up against elephant archers.
This was a good video, I've never really know what to do with rattan archers until now, but the weird result with the scorpion test was probably affected by the concave, in the test the number difference gave the scorpions a concave which let most of their shots hit multiple rattans, but the xbow had a concave against the scorpions which kept them safer
8:35 That is a Japanese giant hornet that are way bigger than normal hornets vs just a regular honey bee, bumble bees are way bigger than honey bees and are no pushovers, some steal mice burrows by fighting them off and claiming it for themselves!
they should have had that +1 vs infantry back and slightly reduced gold cost because everything else the Vietnamese have are really really weak (except imp skirm)
We learn as much about puns as about age of empires from spirit's videos...
I sure hope you get to upload more often! :)
I had became as a veteran from noob in aoe2 all creds to you bro😊. Sadly each account allowed to like once per video.And thanks again to take it to my favourite uniqe unit if the game.Finally here comes the intro 😀.Next time do shotel warriors vs karambit warriors
Even if I quitted AoE II (for now), I'm still enjoying your AoE II videos. Keep up the good work
I'm missing your videos very much SptL. Pls upload more clip. Just some gameplay of your is enough for me.
weird question, but is there a channel like yours that focuses mainly on AoM content? I don't own AoE2 but I play a crap ton of AoM. Not saying I dislike your content, in fact it's very entertaining and a few of your tips for AoE2 have actually helped me in AoM
So, basically just mix a few of Rattan Archers into your archer pool so they soak up some ranged attacks and help keep your army healthy?
GENIUS
Love the new intro.
I'm surprise that no one mentioned the good micro 9:30 that Spirit has. Good job SOTL!
Rattans vs. Jannisary / Hand Cannon / Conquistadors / Organ Guns should be explored too.
I'd expect about even outcomes - the gunpowder units still have enough attack to overwhelm the pierce armour.
I stopped playing this years ago, but I enjoy well made videos.
You forgot the archer line's arch-nemesis: Buildings.
*laughs in Mayan*
THE GUITAR INTRO'S BACK!!!!
Nice video. When will be the next campaign vs history episode coming out? :)
I love how I have this game but don't like to play it because I'm so bad at it. And still watch videos on youtube about the game. Haha keep doing good work dude.
Rattan archers also are great for early towers imo, you don't have to dance around them as much to kill villagers, and can almost ignore them to do so
7:40 "I don't know why you're making halberdiers because i'm not making knights" - T90
AAAND... of course no Britons :( (I mean i know that Imp.Skirms counter Longbows, but what about the range)
Longbows would clearly outperform most other archers during that test. They would last at least 2-3 seconds longer before getting slaughtered. When both are fully upgraded, longbows only do 2 damage against Rattan archers. Combine that with the longbow's slower fire rate and lower accuracy, and it should be pretty clear how that test would play out. They wouldn't stand a chance.
play as Aztecs with Vietnamese ally, best Skirmishers in the game. RIP longbowmen hehe
only 1 damage 11-10.
I think you’ll find you mean, “Speaking of arthropods, let’s move to arachnids.” As arachnids are not insects but they are both arthropods.
Wanted to point out, that I like Ratten Archers more for raids. Being faster and stronger against skirms is one thing. But they can run through the enemy base with castles and tcs firing at them and won't lose much health. Which is quite nice.
Just a small notice. Knights vs crossbows. Not knights vs arbalest :) great video, love the numbers and math behind it all!
I'd love to see do walk throughs of the AOE II campaigns, some of the levels on Moderate seem impossible!
I rarely play AoE these days, but I still find these videos fascinating!
They suggest me advertisement of rattan furniture to this. Good job
ma boi SOTL right back at it again
Hey, how about a video comparing differences between castles? HP, unique tecnologies (like the ones from Teutons, Persians and Celts).
Excellent Choice!
12/10 because the intro is back
i got 50 hours on age of empire, but i still enjoy your video's. don't ask me why ;p
Bro, I have over 800 hours and still enjoy his video. Good content is good nonetheless :D
New video, hype!!
Big thing you're missing in my opinion is that the high pierce armor and fast movement speed make them a good raiding unit in the later game. They can survive arrow fire from buildings much better than arbalests and can deal a lot of damage to a resource protected by a TC or tower.
fun fact: that small sheild is called "buckler"
Hey SOTL, watching this vid reminded me of something I was thinking of suggesting. Do you plan on making a video about resource value? When you do a resource analysis on units you always treat them with a 1:1:1:1 resource value ratio, and I feel it doesn't do justice to the scarcity of gold and stone in some maps and in 1v1. It probably applies nicely to a mid-game team game though, due to trade mostly. Maybe using map and map mode statistics together with average resources per player per map you can reach an average resource ratio for early-, mid- and late-game?
Pleeeeeeese post more, ur content is so good.
At least give us some gameplay ,anything u make is welcome.
@Spirit of the law Please make a music channel! I love your intro song I listen to the whole thing all the time
Cool new intro
Super weird that we've gotten videos about 3 different Vietnamese attributes (Imperial Skirms, Paper Money, and now Rattan Archers), plus they've been featured in the Battle Elephants and Best Archer Civ videos, yet they're still the only civ without a proper overview (I think?).
Playing AoE2 anymore? No
Loving this Videos? YES
The left figure of Picture of the Video is Link of The legend of zelda: Breath of the Wild.
How do they fare patrolling in tho compared to being next to the enemy? Do they fare worse having less range or not really?
How did this vid come out 1 min ago and you commented 5 hours ago?!
Hax
@@firemaker22 patreon users get early access
So basically the niche role is when you want to mass archers, and getting a significant edge in a mirror match (opponent is also massing archers). Kind if interesting as it forces your opponent to play counter archer rather than massing his own archers. You could potentially add some more mind games into this. Knowing your opponent can't go toe-to-toe with his own archers, you can already get an idea of what he will be massing to try and counter and you can already prepare for it. You may not even need to make any Rattan archers to get this effect. Just by having a castle or simply playing the Vietnamese may force this reaction.
This is a signal of a Civ Overview incomming!!!
HE IS ALIVE!
Good to see you back spirit.
Is there a way we can contribute for your work?
Top 5 monk
Spanish, Aztecs, Sarracens, Burmese, Slavs... Honorable mention Teutons
Those five that made mbl rage.
What about Byzantines?
Lithuanians, Sarracens, Spanish, Burmese, Aztecs, HMs: Slavs, Teutons, Byzantines
What about Saracen allied Rattan fighting Castles?
That sounds like it'd be pretty effective. You'd take a few losses, but I could see the castle falling quickly.
Great overview. The problem with Vietnamese is not their Archer/Skirm stats, it's no eco bonus, no masonry, and no husbandry that kills them. If you're pocket is Vietnamese on an open map it's basically gg, they just can't keep up with other civs. Who cares if you have great skirms at that point? They have a fun post imp army but playing with them is so painful
Spirit mentions all the archers and ignores the Briton Longbow - The best archer unit in the game.
How do they compare to mixed archers? Like equal gold in archers with the balance in skirms? The skirm bonus damage will shift most Archer vs. Archer matchups in favor of the side with the skirms, while the archers will still provide solid damage against non-archers.
This can also be done to pull out UU if the speed gap isn't an issue and starts to make mameluke/horse archer or francesca/crossbow relevant to compare instead of the rattan being more cost for nothing against camels or infantry respectively.
What about vs Cavalry Archers/Magudai?
Does that increased speed and resistance to pierce attacks make them much use at fending off the Huns and Mongols?
It seems the point of Rattan is to force your opponent to build either siege units or cavalry to counter them so you can help control the battlefield by being able to predict what they are going to produce next to counter you and plan accordingly.
Something I need to point out: Rattan Archers don't have any longer frame delay than Arbalests and Crossbows, something that you might've had a misconception about. If you check the AoE Wiki, you'll see they both have a Frame Delay of 5.
Of course, the wiki could be wrong; if so, it needs to be corrected.
Maybe the identical frame delay was either a bug or was deemed too OP and patched out? I dunno, I've definitely missed that update if that's the case.
10 million years since last SOTL video.
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spirit of the love of good vidéo
Once you hear the music in the background you can't not hear its soo darn loud. did I come here to get some aoe tips tricks and truths or did I come here for the ballad? I really don't know
I remember fighting my big bro on a 1vs1 LAN, he hates me for using Vietnamese against his Byzantine favorite. Even though I'm at total disadvantage against battalion of cataphracts, I countered it with Battle Elephants as tanks/paper maché. I didn't forget to pair it with twice the number of Rattan Archers I needed as backup for those elephants. It's the APR (armor piercing rate) that annoys my brother. Not my style to use catapaults but I included it while using cannons just to cripple his base
Not properly played Vietnamese yet but thought. Is the pierce armour high enough to attempt to harrass any units which are being protected by a castle or towers?
You need to consider also the situations in which the Rattan Archer would be used. I see two primary usages for the Rattan Archer. First is in Castle age, when you have the safety to go directly into Rattan archers, either because you're pocket on a relatively closed map, or because you're in an enclosed map like arena or fortress. in this case, the castle is a significant enough investment that you should have it as your primary military building; it should be responsible for producing the majority of your units, so production should be near constant. The second usage is as part of an imperial age army. In this second case, since you're in the imperial age, the goal is again constant or near constant unit production. In other words, most of the time Rattan Archer production is not capped by resource investment, but by build speed. You're not very likely to run into a situation where you're taking equal resource trades, at least not intentionally, because ideally resources aren't your bottleneck on rattan archer production.
How come no pro has picked Vietnamese in any tournament in the last 8 months? Is the lack of any eco bonus THAT damning? I mean, even Saracens saw SOME usage, and their eco bonus is situational.
I guess it is also other factors. Units that the devs DESIGNED to pair well with their archers, the elephants, are woefully suboptimal(no blast furnace, and more importantly no husbandry), I mean, did they really think making Chatras +50hp would make people pick the slow as shit elephants in any situation? I mean, apparently in the release of RoR expansion, if it weren't for Res22, they would've been stuck at 2HS w/o blast furnace. I feel the devs really screwed this civ over lacking any clear niche in 1v1s and even most teamgames(no one is going to willingly use trash units in imp WITH TRADE!!) And to paraphrase SoTL-"paper money is worthless".