Disappointing that they improved MPG’s by only 1-3 but then drastically decreased the fuel tank size! Would’ve been nice to have a truck with longer range capabilities.
Literally speaking the truth I can’t stand when they give you basically 300 miles to the tank like make that crap atleast 400-500 miles I rather pay more upfront than have to refuel every 5 days it’s so freaking annoying
Yea I thought I had film as to why that was shrunk but I guess I didn’t. I wish it was more too. Hopefully the hybrid gets a bit better of mpg to offset.
If it’s anything like the next Gen RAV4 or Tundra dynamic force engine except real world efficiency to increase 50%. The new Tundra is at least 50% better. The 5.7 got 12 the 3.4 TT gets 18.
This guy has the George W Bush cowboy stance down pat. He probably lifted those engines in the frame all by himself, just before the video started. Great video!
Given your experience with your 22 and 23 Tundras and what you’ve seen of the new Taco, if you were looking to pick a new truck, which would you lean toward (all things considered)? I really want more rear legroom, but the Tundra fit and trim has me worried. Appreciate any opinion you have.
Amazing question. In all fairness, I’ve only been in pre production Tacomas. So idk what the fit and finish will be like, but I’d still pick a Tacoma over a Tundra if I had to pick one.
@@Sam-dq7ws that's great to hear. Maybe Toyota fixed the window rattles in the 24 Tundra. @TRDJon has had window rattles in both his 22 and 23. The drivetrain seems flawless for most (not all, but most), so I am fairly comfortable with that part of it, but rattles would drive me crazy. Hopefully yours continues to be rattle-free. I really like the Tundra and hope Toyota fixes the issues. The Tacoma is their bread and butter, so I think they will be all over any initial issues.
@@TRDJon - thank you. And also thanks for mentioning your height in one of your videos where you talked about the rear Tacoma legroom. It helps gauge the rear legroom size.
Two major takeaways from every channel that drove the taco- drivetrain and driving dynamics are light years better than the third gen. That is very compelling to me.
Yeah, but we've never actually seen someone rip the damn thing it's always on some little premade course that Toyota came up with barely driving at 3 mph that doesn't show its true capability at all.
They said the 3rdg gen was better then the 3nd, we know how well the transmission was in the beginning. Took them 3 years to fix it... I wait 3 years to see...
Don't mind me; I'll just be hanging out here in the comments reading all the hot takes from random dudes who never finished high school who somehow know more than Toyota's chief engineers because they read a Reddit post from some other guy who didn't finish 7th grade who heard that his old high school football coach once saw a 2022 Tundra on the side of the road and assumed it had broken down due to exploded turbos. Or something.
My favorite are people who appear to be unaware that semi-trucks have been using turbo's forever. If the engine is designed for turbo use from the ground up, it will be fine.
@@t3h8ar0n Absolutely. And there will ALWAYS be teething problems on new powertrains. It's not the end of the world. It's just that Toyota so rarely introduces radical redesigns that most of these negative posters were in middle school and don't remember the last time a new Toyota powertrain was introduced.
Had an IS 200t years ago, solid, solid powertrain with the 8 speed. If we kept it, it would have well over 100k miles with zero issues. I take great care of the mechanicals and fluids. Our 2020 4Runner has 76k miles, every fluid was changed. Runs amazing, even the transmission pulls harder and shifts smoother since changing that fluid. I’d get the taco.
So cooling in the TRD Off Road is more substantial than the TRD Sport? I was under the assumption the two power plants were the same. Have a deposit on a Sport and plan on frequently towing a travel trailer. Now I’m wondering if I should switch my deposit to an Off Road….
The issue with forced induction is specific to SMALL GAS engines. I’ve heard the argument “million mile turbo diesel” but the problem is that smaller displacement engines simply cannot handle the extra boost pressure over long timelines. They’ll all need to be rebuilt at 100/150k miles. There’s just scientifically no chance that these will last anywhere near as long as the NA v6, which will probably outlive most of us. What you’re witnessing is the death of stock trucks that will go 300/400k miles with basic maintenance. Do what you want with that information, but don’t gaslight people about the new ones being as reliable.
And the idea of a “reliable” 4 cylinder truck that is meant to “go fast off-road” is just ridiculous. The more boost this engine gets, the shorter its lifetime. You’re getting a $65k truck that will be fun for a couple years and then need its engine rebuilt.
"completley new" scares me a bit when it comes to engine components. But this is Toyota so hopefully its reliable. If I was in the market, I'd wait a few years before getting a gen4
A 2nd gen should be able to if it has the required equipment like proper hitch receiver and trailer wiring harness. But aside, yes this new one, again if properly equipped, will be able to tow up to it's rated capacity of 6-6500lbs.
I had that problem one time when I tried to reserve the trailer online but when I called them they set it up no problem. I have towed uhaul car trailers three times now. One thing you can try is to tell them that you are towing a lighter car like a VW beetle on the trailer. They calculate weight of trailer+car and use that to determine if they’ll let you rent it or not.
Jon, I have a question. I need a new truck quick, got rid of my 16 Land Cruiser, now I want to get a new truck so I can start doing some over landing on the weekends. Should I pick up the 3rd gen or should I just wait for the 4th gen? Should I consider the tundra? Help me out here Jon it would be much appreciated. Thank you and love the content
@@allstarpilot777my whole life I’ve always been told never buy the 1st year of a car. While I trust Toyota with my life, if you plan on over-landing and doing long trips away from help, you might be better off getting a TRD off/road or Pro 3rd gen and then in 3-5 years get a slightly used 4th gen after the kinks have been worked out
Here's are the questions I didn't hear an answer to.... "What can the 4th Gen do that the 3rd gen can't? Or "Where can the 4th Gen go that the 3rd Gen can't?"
@@TroutWest not a great question to be asking then, unless you want answers like it can fit a 6’2” driver comfortably, or it can make 300lb-ft under 2k rpm where the 3rd Gen couldn’t.
3rd gen owners dont feel bad at all. You've all got a gem in ur garage It's gonna be a high demand generation in the future n will continue to be the most reliable one Dont get fooled by the new technology. We all know doesnt matter even its toyota who developed this new turbo engine but it's nowhere gonna be as reliable like the 3rd gen
Does the Taco engine use timing chain or timing belt? and what type of engine oil does it use? I've heard that most of the newer Toyota models use 0W-8 engine oil which is really expensive to buy and hard to find.
I just sold my beloved v6 PreRunner (2015) and now I am truck less. I had plans on getting the latest OffRoad available (2023), but maybe considering the 4thGen Tacoma. Which truck - 2023 or 2024 - would be a better option for towing around 3,500lbs? The 2024 forced induction engines sound cool and all, but maybe less reliable down the line? If I'm towing, I reckon I would only speed up the wear and tear of an already waning turbocharged engine. Thoughts?
Ok. I came back to rewatch this because other reviewers have had a different toyota engineer say at this exact mockup that ALL have 3" plumbed cooling, but this guy says only the TRD Offroad packaged ones have it. Same with the sealed belt tensioner. Is there really any engine differences between TRD and non TRD engines in the new tacoma??????
Will probably be waiting until the end of the year next year or sometime spring 2025 to get one but I would like to get a hybrid model. Thanks for the information and testing.
Why can't Toyota get a decent oil filter setup? They finally got rid of that ridiculous plastic cartridge housing, But they replaced it with a horizontally mounted filter so your skidplate fills up with oil and drips for days on your driveway
Maybe it'll have a channel or guide for oil. My F-150 has something right underneath the filter that funnels it to a drip point. Super easy and mess free, then just wipe it up. Even if it doesnt though you can buy a flexible and moldable drain guide that eliminates that as well.
Wow, they thought about the engine being tilted during use, groundbreaking technology. But now I wonder if the highlander can even make it up my driveway approach without starving for oil. Sayin.
My biggest concern is what I see on that 3.5 inch inlet - I really hope that isn't plastic. The one thing I get so sick and tired of is components that are meant to handle high temperatures having a plastic part (polycarbonate or whatever) somewhere on the cooling system be it for engine or oil. I've seen far too often, and even experienced it too often, that parts in that system being plastic just ends up having and astronomically high failure rate in hotter climate/running conditions that can lead to catastrophic failure too easily.
My two cents as a 3rd gen Tacoma enthusiast (maybe a hot take) If I were in the market for a new truck right now I wouldn't take the 4th gen Tacoma. I wouldn't take anything that comes with an Inline-4 Turbo honestly. Nothing but one option comes to mind, and as weird as it is to say... the Nissan Frontier is a damn great choice if I wanted a truck that is close in comparison to the 3rd gen Taco.
Get rid of the 4-Cllylinder and I might get one Ya Right I love my 2005 Tacoma V6 4x4 and I will keep it till I die or if my truck dies, or I will rebuild it like new I would never get a truck with a 4-Cylinder ever the truck looks nice and lots of new things like the rear disk brakes but that should have been done starting with the 2005 Tacoma very late in getting the rear disk brakes and they say it gets better gas miles but I heard it has a smaller gas tank????? so much for the better gas miles :( sad days for us off-roaders and you will have to replace the turbos around one hundred thousand miles my Tacoma V6 4x4 has just got 150, thousand miles on it and not leaks or problems very happy with it I should get another 150, thousand miles out of it :) Toyota has jumped on the 4-Cylinder band wagon sad days for us Tacoma drivers and one more thing an air dam on a 4x4 how much will that cost extra just to remove it and throw it away???????????????.
Everyone on the internet knows that window rattling in a turbo means that the turbo is gonna blow. Eventually. Sooner or later. It’s a vibration harmonic thingy. 😍
I find it funny that Toyota treats the TRD Sport like a step child to the OR. When prob 80% of OR purchases will NOT off road their truck. The Sport never gets the attention it deserves.
@TRDjon do you know why the new tacoma doesn't have an engine cover? All other toyota vehicles with the 2.4 have one, was just wondering if there is a reason for this. Thanks
@@bullbutter9699 what a dumb comment 😂😂. Mr bullshit9699 toyota are the kings of ultra reliable turbo trucks for years and years around the world. So overall you have no right to use the word common sense. when your comment dont have that
@@user-tb7rn1il3qthat might be an exaggeration, but if properly maintained with regular oil changes it’ll probably be just fine for the first owner or three.
18.2 gallon tank? Toyota why do you handicap your trucks. I love toyota, all I will own but these little gas tanks suck. When you're over 100 miles off road range anxiety gets real. Make it a 24 minimum.
Stats are one thing, but being task built is another. No chance a gas engine will live as long or tow as well if used extensively for that task as a gasser.
These new Tacomas are gonna get worst gas mileage and popping 4 cylinder T-engines once they start living with hauling heavy equipment or a big trailer attached to it.
@@Cody_Austin I get that. My point was to emphasize the fact that gas engines, despite their HP, torque, and tow rating will not do work at the same level a diesel will. Nor last as long if asked to do it. Always take gasser tow stats with a grain of salt.
Thanks for the informative video. Did you get any more information on the Bilstein shocks and how they operate? I saw the cutaway in the background and the inside doesn't look like a typical shock. It looks like it has additional zones or something going on inside.
Please have the engineers explain why the new Tacoma practically has the same MPG as the previous generation, while the newest Tundra saw at least a few miles increase over the previous generation.
@@TRDJon But not a huge ammount. The Tundra MPG rating went from 13/14 City / 17 Highway (15 combined) to a taing of 17-24 MPG (20 combined). Adn average of 4ish MPG increase. The 3g Taco was rated at 20-24 MPG, and the new 4g Taco is rated 20-26 MPG, not a huge boost, but also not that 4 MPG increase on both sides.
Yea not alot. But sill a good bit across the board. You need to look at the TRD OR now is only 4x4 where the last gen was 2wd too. So it is more as well
@@TRDJon Yeah, I made a video last year about how the 4x2 TRD Off Road makes no sense as a trim. It's on my channel. TRD Sport 4x2 makes sense - better suspension parts and the non-functional hood scoop.
I mean what is he supposed to say? It won’t be as reliable? They can spin it whatever way they want. No turbo 4 cylinder will EVER be as reliable long term as a proven NA V6. Period. End of discussion. Ask any mechanic on planet earth. This guy has a stake in the sale of this vehicle… ask any objective person. It will not be as reliable as the previous gen.
As a ‘23 Highlander owner, it’s unnerving to hear them brag the Tacoma engine is engineered to be 1.5x more durable than my engine. Did Toyota sell me junk?
If an engine is designed from the ground up with a turbocharger in mind, it can last forever... semi-trucks and other industrial engines use turbochargers for huge miles without issue. Turbo's got a bad rep in consumer applications because, for a long time, they were bolted onto engines that hadn't been designed for turbo applications.
Wow nice to see the skeleton comparison. Dang 3rd Gen frame looks like it went on hunger strike 🤦♂️ So many complaining about the new gen blah blah blah, Don’t buy it then, so more chance for consumers who are ready to buy. Quit whining. But whine about the markups 🤣
Anyone know if you have to remove the truck body to replace the turbo if it does fail, like the new 2024 Tundra? My understanding is that only one of the turbos on the tundra can be replaced without taking body off the frame
@@TRDJon That's a good point I believe the tundra turbos are closer to the firewall I believe no expert. I'm trying to decide between a 2023 or 2024 Tacoma Great video btw!
Really love what they did, if you purchased one and it ended up having to get recalled which i doubt would you be stuck with it? Or what options would you have??
Sounds like everything a Tacoma Lead Engineer would say. I won’t consider a new gen anything, let everyone else work out the bugs and wait until i hear from someone unbiased like the carcarenut
Engineering 101 - simpler designs are inherently more reliable. This violates that rule, but time is the true test. I’m sceptic where these engine will be in 12 years with 150k miles.
higher vehicle cost, higher interest rate, higher maintenance cost with the turbo, higher insurance, higher extended warranty cost vs a slow none hyper powertrain, paid off low maintenance, lower insurance 3rd gen. Oh v6 Mt 19 to 20mpgs 4th gen 21 to 22mpgs. where are the savings !!!! okay and the frame again the 2nd gen has a boxed frame then went to open C frame on 3rd gen, the selling point was flexibility to maintain tires contact with the roads, now 4th gen boxed frame and selling point is rigidity. The turbo engine will require 91 octane 3000 miles oil change intervals and proper ways to drive a turbo engine warming and cooling. Frankenstein setup, what is this engineer trying to say !
@@TRDJon Good luck with those long intervals, only works on vehicles kept for few years, turbos spin at 30000 rpms and generate heat that cooks the oil faster also pull more particles in the air filter element.
@@TRDJon ask a mechanic that repairs the vehicles their engineers designed. A truck for video content isn’t the same as a truck for daily use for 6 years.
Go check out TFL’s Tacoma. The diff went out on their first off-road test. Tell me again how this new gen is more reliable??? Shoulda kept the v6 in the Taco and the v8 in the Tundra. Bad move, Toyota. Your reputation for QDR is on the decline.
Reliable? Lol just like my 2022 Tundra that has a blown motor. Toyota is really messing up with these turbo’d motors. My 2022 Tundra was an absolute nightmare from day one I just hope Toyota has a lot of money in the bank to buy these things back under lemon law.
Jon, I heard from car care nut that most of the changes in the new tacoma are for emissions. When they say they improve this or that, it's all about emissions and states regulations.
unfortunately its all about the carbon foot print-we are suppose to be happy with a 2024 TRD off road 4 cylinder turbo that costs 52K when you can buy a 2023 TRD off road V6 for 44K-Come on!!!!!
Is the hybrid going to be a big improvement or a big disappointment like the Tundra ? when it comes to miles per $ . Who is going to roll the dice and buy early?
No offense intended, but I'm more persuaded by histories, repair records, and other metrics of longevity and reliability than pretty props and the word of an engineer who is paid by the company. I'm skeptical of this gamble by Toyota in putting this little engine in a truck that has increased in size and weight. We shall see.
No...def not "more reliable" lol. toyota just selling this new technology as they do their best to appease the woke-climate activists. as someone who works for Toyota, we frequently see New Tundra's in the shop for turbo and transmission issues...this will trickle down to these 4-cylinder turbos. want to know the last time I saw a 3.5 /4.0 V6 Tacoma/4Runner or V8-Tundra in the shop for the same issues? Me too...
There's no transmission dip stick? I get it most people don't ever check their transmission fluid Anyone know how you check fluid level after changing transmission fluid?
@@erichubbard7754yeah. Fill it, when it drips from fill hole you are done. If you want to double check drive it a few miles. Come back and re fill and it it spills right away. You had it right the first time.
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Disappointing that they improved MPG’s by only 1-3 but then drastically decreased the fuel tank size! Would’ve been nice to have a truck with longer range capabilities.
Literally speaking the truth I can’t stand when they give you basically 300 miles to the tank like make that crap atleast 400-500 miles I rather pay more upfront than have to refuel every 5 days it’s so freaking annoying
Yea I thought I had film as to why that was shrunk but I guess I didn’t. I wish it was more too. Hopefully the hybrid gets a bit better of mpg to offset.
Is this improved fuel economy with or without the air dam?
If it’s anything like the next Gen RAV4 or Tundra dynamic force engine except real world efficiency to increase 50%. The new Tundra is at least 50% better. The 5.7 got 12 the 3.4 TT gets 18.
What is fuel capacity now?
I got an off road and it is better than I expected. You did a great job I could not be happier.
They never talk about the materials they use to make the engine durable what makes this engine unique and why
It’s the secret sauce
This guy has the George W Bush cowboy stance down pat. He probably lifted those engines in the frame all by himself, just before the video started. Great video!
lol 😂 Craig is awesome for sure. Thanks for watching!
Given your experience with your 22 and 23 Tundras and what you’ve seen of the new Taco, if you were looking to pick a new truck, which would you lean toward (all things considered)? I really want more rear legroom, but the Tundra fit and trim has me worried. Appreciate any opinion you have.
My 24 Pro Tundra has no issues so far, only 2k miles (almost) but it's awesome !!!
Amazing question. In all fairness, I’ve only been in pre production Tacomas. So idk what the fit and finish will be like, but I’d still pick a Tacoma over a Tundra if I had to pick one.
@@Sam-dq7ws that's great to hear. Maybe Toyota fixed the window rattles in the 24 Tundra. @TRDJon has had window rattles in both his 22 and 23. The drivetrain seems flawless for most (not all, but most), so I am fairly comfortable with that part of it, but rattles would drive me crazy. Hopefully yours continues to be rattle-free. I really like the Tundra and hope Toyota fixes the issues. The Tacoma is their bread and butter, so I think they will be all over any initial issues.
@@TRDJon - thank you. And also thanks for mentioning your height in one of your videos where you talked about the rear Tacoma legroom. It helps gauge the rear legroom size.
@@TRDJon can you explain why? Im on this same fence.
Two major takeaways from every channel that drove the taco- drivetrain and driving dynamics are light years better than the third gen. That is very compelling to me.
Yeah, but we've never actually seen someone rip the damn thing it's always on some little premade course that Toyota came up with barely driving at 3 mph that doesn't show its true capability at all.
Yes. So now you can drive a higher performance but less reliable vehicle to go grocery shopping. Toyota can see you coming from a mile away lol
I plan to when I get mine.
They said the 3rdg gen was better then the 3nd, we know how well the transmission was in the beginning. Took them 3 years to fix it... I wait 3 years to see...
Nothing will ever beat the 2nd gen. Except 1st gen lol
Don't mind me; I'll just be hanging out here in the comments reading all the hot takes from random dudes who never finished high school who somehow know more than Toyota's chief engineers because they read a Reddit post from some other guy who didn't finish 7th grade who heard that his old high school football coach once saw a 2022 Tundra on the side of the road and assumed it had broken down due to exploded turbos. Or something.
My favorite are people who appear to be unaware that semi-trucks have been using turbo's forever. If the engine is designed for turbo use from the ground up, it will be fine.
@@t3h8ar0n Absolutely. And there will ALWAYS be teething problems on new powertrains. It's not the end of the world. It's just that Toyota so rarely introduces radical redesigns that most of these negative posters were in middle school and don't remember the last time a new Toyota powertrain was introduced.
Loving my 24 Pro Tundra !! Taco looks cool if you don't need/want the space Tundra offers.
Plus also them thinking Turbos are new to Toyota when they have been running them for decades overseas and hear in the states on certain vehicles
Had an IS 200t years ago, solid, solid powertrain with the 8 speed. If we kept it, it would have well over 100k miles with zero issues. I take great care of the mechanicals and fluids.
Our 2020 4Runner has 76k miles, every fluid was changed. Runs amazing, even the transmission pulls harder and shifts smoother since changing that fluid.
I’d get the taco.
Im waiting on my 24 pro. Hopefully it arrives in April. Ill post on here when i get it and thoughts
Nice man!
NO WAY this thing last as long as the naturally aspirated engine.....not to mention the hybrid. damn
So cooling in the TRD Off Road is more substantial than the TRD Sport? I was under the assumption the two power plants were the same. Have a deposit on a Sport and plan on frequently towing a travel trailer. Now I’m wondering if I should switch my deposit to an Off Road….
The issue with forced induction is specific to SMALL GAS engines. I’ve heard the argument “million mile turbo diesel” but the problem is that smaller displacement engines simply cannot handle the extra boost pressure over long timelines. They’ll all need to be rebuilt at 100/150k miles. There’s just scientifically no chance that these will last anywhere near as long as the NA v6, which will probably outlive most of us. What you’re witnessing is the death of stock trucks that will go 300/400k miles with basic maintenance. Do what you want with that information, but don’t gaslight people about the new ones being as reliable.
And the idea of a “reliable” 4 cylinder truck that is meant to “go fast off-road” is just ridiculous. The more boost this engine gets, the shorter its lifetime. You’re getting a $65k truck that will be fun for a couple years and then need its engine rebuilt.
Any idea which drive mode the mpg estimates are based on? I would assume sport, normal, and economy modify it at least a bit.
Definitely eco mode and very light driving
eco mode, no wind, 64lb driver, 100psi in tires and 51mph max speed.
New tacoma is a home run and class leader 👑👑👑. Excellent video from jon like always
Thanks for watching as always!
@@TRDJon no issue mate.👍
Turbos suck Hard Pass
@@bullbutter9699😮
@@bullbutter9699 toyota are king of ultra reliable turbo engines for years around the world and here you are talking bullshit 😂
love the engineering take on the vehicle. Thanks for doing this.
No worries
The testing and testing and testing ✅🤙
"completley new" scares me a bit when it comes to engine components. But this is Toyota so hopefully its reliable. If I was in the market, I'd wait a few years before getting a gen4
For sure. Time will tell. Hyped still.
it wont be.
Question here, will this gen be able to tow a uhaul car trailer? My second gen isn't allowed.
A 2nd gen should be able to if it has the required equipment like proper hitch receiver and trailer wiring harness. But aside, yes this new one, again if properly equipped, will be able to tow up to it's rated capacity of 6-6500lbs.
Not sure why you were denied. Unless you were trying to get one not meant for your truck. But they can tow up to 6500
I had that problem one time when I tried to reserve the trailer online but when I called them they set it up no problem. I have towed uhaul car trailers three times now. One thing you can try is to tell them that you are towing a lighter car like a VW beetle on the trailer. They calculate weight of trailer+car and use that to determine if they’ll let you rent it or not.
Wait so the trd sport and off road are slightly different or all the trd models have the better engine?
All trucks have the same engine. SR is just detuned a little
Jon, I have a question. I need a new truck quick, got rid of my 16 Land Cruiser, now I want to get a new truck so I can start doing some over landing on the weekends. Should I pick up the 3rd gen or should I just wait for the 4th gen? Should I consider the tundra? Help me out here Jon it would be much appreciated. Thank you and love the content
You should buy my 3rd Gen TRD Pro :) Honestly, any are gonna be good for it. I wouldn't do Tundra though, too big imo, at least here on the east coast
@@TRDJon alright, you think it will be a good daily too? I need something for both. At this point I think I’ll take my chances and wait for 4th gen
@@allstarpilot777my whole life I’ve always been told never buy the 1st year of a car. While I trust Toyota with my life, if you plan on over-landing and doing long trips away from help, you might be better off getting a TRD off/road or Pro 3rd gen and then in 3-5 years get a slightly used 4th gen after the kinks have been worked out
Look forward to test driving one but I might just get a Highlander lol don’t need the bed but it looks good
I wanna see the hybrid one
Love my 24 Pro Tundra ...worth the upgrade !
Hopefully we will have a cab off version of the I-FORCE MAX at that drive event.
jon did you order already right?the trd off road?
Yessir!
Here's are the questions I didn't hear an answer to.... "What can the 4th Gen do that the 3rd gen can't? Or "Where can the 4th Gen go that the 3rd Gen can't?"
@scottishd0g87 Considering price hikes. and claimed "Improvements" .. these are valid questions by any prospective consumer.
@scottishd0g87 agreed .people will always complain
@@TroutWestsounds like incremental gains in a few places like ergonomics, ride quality, performance and tech.
@@ALMX5DP doesn't answer the question
@@TroutWest not a great question to be asking then, unless you want answers like it can fit a 6’2” driver comfortably, or it can make 300lb-ft under 2k rpm where the 3rd Gen couldn’t.
Should have just kept V6. Why does a Car Get V6 and a truck gets 4cyl?
What car?
3rd gen owners dont feel bad at all. You've all got a gem in ur garage
It's gonna be a high demand generation in the future n will continue to be the most reliable one
Dont get fooled by the new technology. We all know doesnt matter even its toyota who developed this new turbo engine but it's nowhere gonna be as reliable like the 3rd gen
I think you're right, i have a 2021 Tacoma Sr-5 w/six foot bed, 16,000 miles. I think I'll hold on to it for now..
I have a 18 sport short bed manual. My truck is very in demand and definitely not for sale.
Toyota is known to over-engineer their powertrains and vehicles for reliability and longevity. Nothing compares, worth the price.
Was there any explanation as to the smaller gas tank on the Tacoma? Great content, thanks.
Since it gets better MPG...But that isn't a huge increase to warrant it.
Does the Taco engine use timing chain or timing belt? and what type of engine oil does it use?
I've heard that most of the newer Toyota models use 0W-8 engine oil which is really expensive to buy and hard to find.
Chain i'm 90% sure
If u do your regular maintenance , toyoto Power Train will do the rest 👍.
Agreed
Very true! Hopefully this powertrain proves its reliability like every single one has prior to it.
@@TRDJon toyota knows what they are doing. however there will be some people online always who complain
Always is
@@TRDJon 👍👍
Glad I just bought a slightly used 2021 TRD4x4 5.5
I just sold my beloved v6 PreRunner (2015) and now I am truck less. I had plans on getting the latest OffRoad available (2023), but maybe considering the 4thGen Tacoma. Which truck - 2023 or 2024 - would be a better option for towing around 3,500lbs? The 2024 forced induction engines sound cool and all, but maybe less reliable down the line? If I'm towing, I reckon I would only speed up the wear and tear of an already waning turbocharged engine. Thoughts?
I'd buy a new truck all day over the 3rd Gen. Just drives so much better.
Ok. I came back to rewatch this because other reviewers have had a different toyota engineer say at this exact mockup that ALL have 3" plumbed cooling, but this guy says only the TRD Offroad packaged ones have it. Same with the sealed belt tensioner. Is there really any engine differences between TRD and non TRD engines in the new tacoma??????
According to Craig yes there is and he is the powertrain engineer.
Definitely need a bigger tank down the road
Will probably be waiting until the end of the year next year or sometime spring 2025 to get one but I would like to get a hybrid model. Thanks for the information and testing.
Of course!
Sometimes you should just stop interrupting the engineers……. You could have gotten a lot more information…..
Then you interview them then. It was a casual conversation man.
You can get the new trd offroad for the low low price of $55000 😢
Just messing Jon, great video and very informative 👊
Whatta deal!!!! 🤣
Why can't Toyota get a decent oil filter setup? They finally got rid of that ridiculous plastic cartridge housing, But they replaced it with a horizontally mounted filter so your skidplate fills up with oil and drips for days on your driveway
Maybe it'll have a channel or guide for oil. My F-150 has something right underneath the filter that funnels it to a drip point. Super easy and mess free, then just wipe it up. Even if it doesnt though you can buy a flexible and moldable drain guide that eliminates that as well.
I don’t think an oil filter is suppose to drip
@TRDJon How you going to change the filter without spilling some? I'm assuming that's what he was talking about.
@@TRDJon When you take it off, where is all the oil in the filter going? right into your skidplate and that will drip for days
You are not spilling some, you are spilling the entire contents of the oil filter, once you loosen that filter it's pouring out
@@rockie307
Wow, they thought about the engine being tilted during use, groundbreaking technology. But now I wonder if the highlander can even make it up my driveway approach without starving for oil. Sayin.
My biggest concern is what I see on that 3.5 inch inlet - I really hope that isn't plastic. The one thing I get so sick and tired of is components that are meant to handle high temperatures having a plastic part (polycarbonate or whatever) somewhere on the cooling system be it for engine or oil. I've seen far too often, and even experienced it too often, that parts in that system being plastic just ends up having and astronomically high failure rate in hotter climate/running conditions that can lead to catastrophic failure too easily.
air to air or air to water innnercoolers?
The non-Tacoma owner journalist don't know how to ask these in-depth questions.
I felt like I asked more. But when I edited the video it seemed like I had so much more to ask. Hopefully I got a decent amount answered for ya.
@@TRDJon Yes, you did! Keep doing more Q/A videos - they are so helpful as well!
Did anyone say the phrase “6th gen” out there?
Maybe 🤔
If you weren’t a TH-camr at this point would you go for Tacoma Ted pro or wait for 4Runner next gen
4R
My two cents as a 3rd gen Tacoma enthusiast (maybe a hot take)
If I were in the market for a new truck right now I wouldn't take the 4th gen Tacoma. I wouldn't take anything that comes with an Inline-4 Turbo honestly. Nothing but one option comes to mind, and as weird as it is to say... the Nissan Frontier is a damn great choice if I wanted a truck that is close in comparison to the 3rd gen Taco.
Get rid of the 4-Cllylinder and I might get one Ya Right I love my 2005 Tacoma V6 4x4 and I will keep it till I die or if my truck dies, or I will rebuild it like new I would never get a truck with a 4-Cylinder ever the truck looks nice and lots of new things like the rear disk brakes but that should have been done starting with the 2005 Tacoma very late in getting the rear disk brakes and they say it gets better gas miles but I heard it has a smaller gas tank????? so much for the better gas miles :( sad days for us off-roaders and you will have to replace the turbos around one hundred thousand miles my Tacoma V6 4x4 has just got 150, thousand miles on it and not leaks or problems very happy with it I should get another 150, thousand miles out of it :) Toyota has jumped on the 4-Cylinder band wagon sad days for us Tacoma drivers and one more thing an air dam on a 4x4 how much will that cost extra just to remove it and throw it away???????????????.
I would have asked does the new engine and frame make windows rattle...?
We talked about my Tundra at dinner lol.
Everyone on the internet knows that window rattling in a turbo means that the turbo is gonna blow. Eventually. Sooner or later. It’s a vibration harmonic thingy. 😍
The manual gear shift sure does😊
@TRDJon Is he going to look into it.
Yessir, I've been in contact with Toyota and we are actively working on it.
I find it funny that Toyota treats the TRD Sport like a step child to the OR. When prob 80% of OR purchases will NOT off road their truck. The Sport never gets the attention it deserves.
Sport has tuned suspension and unique interior
Thanks Craig
Is the TRD design house in Salisbury, NC? @TRD JON are you going to stop by on your way back from VA with the Solar Octane for the photo op?
Dude that would be cool! I'll need to see if it is in route
The oil filter is the front?
Yea I noticed that too. Strange huh
Defenetly hopefully it's easy to replace lol
@TRDjon do you know why the new tacoma doesn't have an engine cover? All other toyota vehicles with the 2.4 have one, was just wondering if there is a reason for this. Thanks
Rats nest of wires lol. No idea
So the new Tundra with the twin turbo went from 10.5 rear diff to 9.5 diff.
Did he misspeak? Does the auto Trd offroad still get the larger 9.5 diff. Other early specs say otherwise
Awesome video man, im not sure y they decreases tank size either. Im sure you can do an aftermarket tank. A tune will help mpg tho
We shall see!
@@TRDJon
I'm very curious!! I'll keep watching man!
Thanks man!
I thought the new LC300/Tundra/Sequoia has a wider frame?
It does.
All you do to achieve that is wider cross members
@@TRDJonok, they said “the same” so i thought its exactly the same
Ah gotcha. Same architecture.
What I want to know is if the turbo has to be replaced is it body off frame?
Judging by how high it is in this video I’d say no..
Cannot call it reliable when it isn't even out yet
Time will tell
Are the Pro and TH trims lifted more than the trd off road?
Yes they are
How many miles can the turbos last on these trucks? How much will it cost to replace?
Never Buy anything gas with a turbo ...... common sense.
According to the TH-cam engineers 50K miles and $100K to fix.
The turbos will outlast the engine. 500k miles minimum
@@bullbutter9699 what a dumb comment 😂😂. Mr bullshit9699 toyota are the kings of ultra reliable turbo trucks for years and years around the world. So overall you have no right to use the word common sense. when your comment dont have that
@@user-tb7rn1il3qthat might be an exaggeration, but if properly maintained with regular oil changes it’ll probably be just fine for the first owner or three.
18.2 gallon tank? Toyota why do you handicap your trucks. I love toyota, all I will own but these little gas tanks suck. When you're over 100 miles off road range anxiety gets real. Make it a 24 minimum.
LB7/First gen duramax engines had 300 HP and 520 lb-ft of torque. So consider where the hybrid taco engine is sitting 20 years later 🤯
Wild right??
Stats are one thing, but being task built is another. No chance a gas engine will live as long or tow as well if used extensively for that task as a gasser.
These new Tacomas are gonna get worst gas mileage and popping 4 cylinder T-engines once they start living with hauling heavy equipment or a big trailer attached to it.
@@carbonking53I was pointing out how far technology has come in 20 years…
@@Cody_Austin I get that. My point was to emphasize the fact that gas engines, despite their HP, torque, and tow rating will not do work at the same level a diesel will. Nor last as long if asked to do it. Always take gasser tow stats with a grain of salt.
Thanks for the informative video. Did you get any more information on the Bilstein shocks and how they operate? I saw the cutaway in the background and the inside doesn't look like a typical shock. It looks like it has additional zones or something going on inside.
I would like to see a Tacoma diesel especially if it was a 1794 Tacoma diesel.
Heard their diesel engines are very reliable but not sold in the US.
50 % more durability...nice
Yep
You guys believe it ?
So are they making a eco diesel engines for Toyotas
lol more like 50 percent less reliability
@@jamesp6283Agreed, I'll take natural aspirated all day over a turbo 4 banger...
Please have the engineers explain why the new Tacoma practically has the same MPG as the previous generation, while the newest Tundra saw at least a few miles increase over the previous generation.
The Tacoma did as well.
@@TRDJon But not a huge ammount. The Tundra MPG rating went from 13/14 City / 17 Highway (15 combined) to a taing of 17-24 MPG (20 combined). Adn average of 4ish MPG increase. The 3g Taco was rated at 20-24 MPG, and the new 4g Taco is rated 20-26 MPG, not a huge boost, but also not that 4 MPG increase on both sides.
Yea not alot. But sill a good bit across the board. You need to look at the TRD OR now is only 4x4 where the last gen was 2wd too. So it is more as well
@@TRDJon Yeah, I made a video last year about how the 4x2 TRD Off Road makes no sense as a trim. It's on my channel. TRD Sport 4x2 makes sense - better suspension parts and the non-functional hood scoop.
Either the guy who walked by is one ridiculously tall dude or the lead engineer is 4' 11".
I mean what is he supposed to say? It won’t be as reliable? They can spin it whatever way they want. No turbo 4 cylinder will EVER be as reliable long term as a proven NA V6. Period. End of discussion. Ask any mechanic on planet earth. This guy has a stake in the sale of this vehicle… ask any objective person. It will not be as reliable as the previous gen.
As a ‘23 Highlander owner, it’s unnerving to hear them brag the Tacoma engine is engineered to be 1.5x more durable than my engine. Did Toyota sell me junk?
Of course he’s going to say everything is better....would he actually say “we f@#ked up”?
Those bilsteins are not as good as the 2.5 fox on the 3rd gen pro much smaller also. Now the new fox setup on the 4th gen pro should be an improvement
Yea not as good. But everything else that makes up the trd or will set it over the top for sure.
Pretty cute little engine
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Thanks for watching man!
your welcome 🫶🏼🤙🏽🙏
oil filter going to drip all over when changing oil
There is no way that turbo 4 can last as long as 3.5 V6.
If an engine is designed from the ground up with a turbocharger in mind, it can last forever... semi-trucks and other industrial engines use turbochargers for huge miles without issue. Turbo's got a bad rep in consumer applications because, for a long time, they were bolted onto engines that hadn't been designed for turbo applications.
Ignorant opinion that it way too common sadly.
@@t3h8ar0n was referring to the guy insinuating turbo's are unreliable btw
@@CDX7unreliable they go out just like ecoboost at like 120-150k miles
@@CDX7 My bad!
Buy a 3rd gen while you still can!! Proven, bullet proof and can hit 400k+ miles easy
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Thanks for watching man!
Wow nice to see the skeleton comparison. Dang 3rd Gen frame looks like it went on hunger strike 🤦♂️
So many complaining about the new gen blah blah blah,
Don’t buy it then, so more chance for consumers who are ready to buy.
Quit whining. But whine about the markups 🤣
Anyone know if you have to remove the truck body to replace the turbo if it does fail, like the new 2024 Tundra?
My understanding is that only one of the turbos on the tundra can be replaced without taking body off the frame
Judging by the location of the turbo being literally front and center of the engine, I’d assume not
@@TRDJon That's a good point I believe the tundra turbos are closer to the firewall I believe no expert.
I'm trying to decide between a 2023 or 2024 Tacoma
Great video btw!
Yea tundra is lower for sure and further back.
Really love what they did, if you purchased one and it ended up having to get recalled which i doubt would you be stuck with it? Or what options would you have??
A recall is just a simple fix at a dealership, so it would be covered under warranty and they would just fix the truck for you
We have to press Toyota for a heavy duty size truck!
You need what you need
Sounds like everything a Tacoma Lead Engineer would say. I won’t consider a new gen anything, let everyone else work out the bugs and wait until i hear from someone unbiased like the carcarenut
Engineering 101 - simpler designs are inherently more reliable. This violates that rule, but time is the true test. I’m sceptic where these engine will be in 12 years with 150k miles.
higher vehicle cost, higher interest rate, higher maintenance cost with the turbo, higher insurance, higher extended warranty cost vs a slow none hyper powertrain, paid off low maintenance, lower insurance 3rd gen. Oh v6 Mt 19 to 20mpgs 4th gen 21 to 22mpgs. where are the savings !!!! okay and the frame again the 2nd gen has a boxed frame then went to open C frame on 3rd gen, the selling point was flexibility to maintain tires contact with the roads, now 4th gen boxed frame and selling point is rigidity. The turbo engine will require 91 octane 3000 miles oil change intervals and proper ways to drive a turbo engine warming and cooling.
Frankenstein setup, what is this engineer trying to say !
regular octane gas and oil done ever 10K miles. Water cooler turbos.
@@TRDJon Good luck with those long intervals, only works on vehicles kept for few years, turbos spin at 30000 rpms and generate heat that cooks the oil faster also pull more particles in the air filter element.
Man Toyota should have hired you to build this truck! You got it all man!
@@TRDJon ask a mechanic that repairs the vehicles their engineers designed. A truck for video content isn’t the same as a truck for daily use for 6 years.
A truck is a truck.
Go check out TFL’s Tacoma. The diff went out on their first off-road test. Tell me again how this new gen is more reliable??? Shoulda kept the v6 in the Taco and the v8 in the Tundra. Bad move, Toyota. Your reputation for QDR is on the decline.
one truck lol. Maybe it will drive a recall like the 3rd gen just had for rear axels falling apart
At least it’s not a camry engine
Nah. Good truck components.
Well let’s see a few with 200_300kmiles on it then we will believe
Reliable? Lol just like my 2022 Tundra that has a blown motor. Toyota is really messing up with these turbo’d motors. My 2022 Tundra was an absolute nightmare from day one I just hope Toyota has a lot of money in the bank to buy these things back under lemon law.
Sorry to hear that.
And now Toyota went down their sells to 60% 😂
Jon, I heard from car care nut that most of the changes in the new tacoma are for emissions. When they say they improve this or that, it's all about emissions and states regulations.
The reason it went to a 4cyl was for emissions yes.
The right side control arm is going to break
I'm sure you are right. ,Toyota definitely didn't go any engineering on that...
@@TRDJon Just taking a jab at California
unfortunately its all about the carbon foot print-we are suppose to be happy with a 2024 TRD off road 4 cylinder turbo that costs 52K when you can buy a 2023 TRD off road V6 for 44K-Come on!!!!!
😂😂.new turbo i4 hybrid max and turbo i4 is miles better than the old v6. Stop talking bullshit
Is the hybrid going to be a big improvement or a big disappointment like the Tundra ? when it comes to miles per $ . Who is going to roll the dice and buy early?
Hopefully a little better mpg increase for the Tacoma
lol Nice title, lets see what kind of new issues arise.
Time will tell
car engine in a truck. just what truck guys dream about.
Thanks for watching the video
I dont beive a v4 turbo will be reliable.
i4
No offense intended, but I'm more persuaded by histories, repair records, and other metrics of longevity and reliability than pretty props and the word of an engineer who is paid by the company. I'm skeptical of this gamble by Toyota in putting this little engine in a truck that has increased in size and weight. We shall see.
Then lets take a look at all the Toyota failure engines of the past...I'll wait. But we shall see.
@@TRDJon2022-23 Tundra V6 turbo engines. I’ll wait. But we shall see !! 😂😂😂😂
No...def not "more reliable" lol. toyota just selling this new technology as they do their best to appease the woke-climate activists. as someone who works for Toyota, we frequently see New Tundra's in the shop for turbo and transmission issues...this will trickle down to these 4-cylinder turbos. want to know the last time I saw a 3.5 /4.0 V6 Tacoma/4Runner or V8-Tundra in the shop for the same issues? Me too...
Better? Well, increased performance for sure.
But decreased reliability.
Time will tell for sure
Too bad they can’t make a transmission dipstick.
Does it need one?
For what?
There's no transmission dip stick? I get it most people don't ever check their transmission fluid
Anyone know how you check fluid level after changing transmission fluid?
These modern vehicles don’t need their fluid changed often. Maybe like 50-100K miles or more
@@erichubbard7754yeah. Fill it, when it drips from fill hole you are done. If you want to double check drive it a few miles. Come back and re fill and it it spills right away. You had it right the first time.