Hey everyone!!! We just wanted to thank everyone for the INCREDIBLE discussion we've been having down here in the comment section! There are so many great perspectives and thoughtful inputs. It blew up down here so we're still trying to read everything and respond where we can! We also wanted to reiterate that people interact with this hobby in a lot of different ways. We're not trying to pass judgement on anyone's purchases, or tell people how they should spend their money. You know better than we do if the trails you are running might require use of a winch. We just want to try to lower the perceived barrier to entry to getting out in the woods and having fun. Marketing is a hell of a drug!
Thanks for the info. It’s definitely appreciated. Can you comment on your use of radio and comms while outdoors? I saw a CB antenna in one of the trucks and was wondering what’s your experience with it. Thanks again
I’ve been four wheel driving in Australia for the last 40 years and I’ve learnt a few things along the way. Normally the two biggest reason a vehicle gets stuck is the driver. The inexperienced driver: this bloke doesn’t know what he’s doing. He doesn’t know what gear he should be in, he doesn’t know where to keep the engine revs at, he doesn’t know what line to take, he doesn’t know exactly where his wheels are and worst of all he doesn’t know his own limits. They think that keeping forward momentum means pedal to the floor and just try to crash though. The second is the lazy driver: this bloke doesn’t want to get out and walk the line, he doesn’t want to walk the water crossing to check for hidden obstacles or deep holes, he doesn’t want to adjust his tyre pressures to suit the conditions and he certainly doesn’t want to find an alternative, less difficult route. Like the inexperienced driver, he just wants to crash through. It’s amazing how many people underestimate what their vehicles are capable of straight from the factory and a lot of the time it’s the driver that gives up before the vehicle does. If you want a winch, get a hand winch like a Tirfor. It can pull your vehicle in any direction, it’s a lot lighter than an electric winch and there’s a lot less to go wrong. Being a hand winch, it’s a lot more work so it makes you think before you leap. Lastly something to keep in mind, the more recovery gear you have like double diff locks, electric winch, big wheels ect, the deeper in the shit you’re going to be when you do get stuck so it’s going to be even harder to get out. Great video guys. Cheers, Stuart 🇦🇺
I've been using a couple of hand winches (we call them come-alongs) my entire 30 year off-roading career and I started feeling deprived as hell since Instagram came out 😂
Thank you Stuart, we really appreciate the kind words! And incredibly happy to have your insight down here in the comments. 40 years of 4WD in the actual Bush is the something most Americans can't even fathom. Listen to this man and take his advice everyone!!!
Thanks Stuat! Every point you made is so accurate! After 40 years you have seen it all. This is pure wisdom and experience. Thanks for sharing with all of us.
This needed to be said. I started off road camping in the 80's in my old FJ60 with a Walmart tarp over the open hatch. Coleman stove, cheap Walmart folding chairs and a card table. It was not called overlanding then. Overlanding is like X Overland going to Africa and Iceland. I now have a $25 dollar hammock, it's great! Go to the Dollar Store and buy your cookware and put it in a plastic dollar store box. When it wares out throw it away and replace it. Don't throw it out in your camp site....tread lightly.
Yep!! I started in the mid 80s as well, in my 1st gen 4Runner. When blacked out trim cost less, whereas nowadays, blacked out trim costs more/part of an upgraded package.
I just got back from the Pomona Off Road Expo, they had tons of overlanding gear. It's like taking your house with you camping, electronic gadgets, refrigerators, battery packs, solar panels etc. What happened to a tent, a Coleman stove, a lantern and an ice chest?
or a empty camper shell add a mattress sleep bag and im good love a tail gate but not many with a 6'5 box or a single cab 8' box trucks out there but im not doing the rubicon
Call me crazy, but the more experienced I get, the less I want to fool with all that stuff. I sleep in a hammock under a tarp, cook on a tiny backpacking stove that fits inside the one tiny pot I bring. My little headlamp seems as good as a lantern. Ice chest? Nope. Everything for camping fits in a duffel bag or backpack. Everything for vehicle maintenance or recovery fits in a cheap plastic box or two. Eliminating all the stuff I don't need makes it easier on my body, easier on my vehicle, easier on my budget, and I spend more time doing the things that I go out there to enjoy. At least for me, it ain't about the truck.
I work in & offroad my vehicle daily… 70%-80% of the stuff you “need” is worthless weight that just slows you down, wastes fuel & takes up space. NO to wheel spacers… weak point & WILL break
Yes exactly this! We're overbuying stuff as a community And agreed, once you start wheeling with any seriousness the spacers probably need to go. We ran Spidertrax for a couple years and they held up fine, but as with anything on the internet your mileage may vary 😁
Overlanding? Nothing more than a marketing term for car camping… It’s cool to build your rigs.. but the past 10 years it’s been nothing more but for looks and LIKES on IG.. I’ve grown to hate the term..
Couldn't agree more man, it feels like so many people have completely lost the plot. The consumerism is just over the top now Some people have the money to spend and build some awesome trucks for sure! But so many guys are just keeping up with the Joneses and spending to spend
yes iv been doing car camping for 40 yrs in the back of my parents wagons / s.u.v .s ,fold down the back seat, padding sleep bag im good same with a ute pu with a camper top shell, pad and sleep bag
We go solo remote off road camping (in Australia) for weeks on end. I can tell you, when you’re by yourself and you’re stuck on a slippery ridge, then it’s such a relief to be able to winch yourself out of trouble. You don’t need something until you need it. Good vid, keep up the good work.
Yes! that is exactly the type of adventuring that requires these things! We just want all the people driving forest roads on the weekend to see this 😆 Thank you so much for the kind words!
A good driver doesn't use their winch very often. I carry 150 feet of synthetic rope, soft shackles, tree strapping, and a heavy-duty come along. Yes, it would be a pain in the ass to actually use, but it costs and weighs a lot less than a winch, needs no maintenance, and can get you out of almost anything.
Some of the most fun I've had off-roading was in bone-stock vehicles with all-season radials. Low ground clearance, no skid plates, no winch, just driver skill. One time, my wife and I decided to take the adventurous way over a mountain ridge on the way home from a spring road trip. We were in a almost new, tiny, low slung 1984 Subaru station wagon. It had all-wheel drive, not 4x4. Our philosophy was that we would not drive anywhere we couldn't backtrack from, if necessary. We navigated through mud swamps covering the trail, to steep, rocky technical driving, and everything in-between. We came out above the clouds on top of the ridge to find 12 members of the local Jeep club. They were all lifted with 35-37" tires, skid plates, rock sliders, the whole nine yards. When they saw us, their jaws dropped. They looked at the shiny, almost new low-slung Subaru wagon with stock tires, the roofline barely came above the tops of their tires (slight exaggeration) and wanted to know how we got up there. Knowing we were on the only route (or at least the only mapped route) I said, "what do you mean?" They wanted to know if there was an easier way up to their regular weekend 4x4 spot that they didn't know about. I told them I came up the way I assume they came up, the easiest way. They said the easiest way up was the way we were going. When I confirmed that we came up from the same direction we had arrived, their jaws were hanging on the ground. It was as if they had wasted all that time and money modifying their Jeeps. As we were ready to depart, they told us if we made it this far, we wouldn't have any problem on the way out. Just goes to show you don't need a manly looking off-road rig to get most places people actually go.
My 87 Subaru wagon had 4WD, (and low range) not AWD. Did Moab's White Rim trail with it amongst Toyota, Jeeps, Troopers (this was 1989). Got lots of looks etc. Had to be more careful with line choice but that thing would surprise me with where it could go. When I got my 93 XJ I realized my little Suby had been playing with the big boys in real offroad conditions. Miss that Sube, -and it's 34 MPG..
Camping + instagram = overlanding. I started camping outside with no tent no sleeping pad just a tarp and a sleeping bag. If you had a bucket it was a luxury chair. Nothing wrong with the overlanding hobby but I agree with you guys, beginners should know camping can be affordable and easy to start. Been camping for 30+ years, the more I camp the more I value bringing less but value comfort more.
@@Automobros yup, great video. The community needs more of this and less gear pushing instagram influencers! Gear is great but the main thing is the experience and adventure. Well done.
The biggest hint at how much of this crap you dont need is looking at what farmers use. If farmers out in australia are running stock trucks on road tires a thousand miles from the nearest town and never seeing tarmac then why would anyone else need more when your going on pre cut tracks anyway. Half of the tracks shown as cutaways in this video could be done in a stock subaru for gods sake.
For 15 years, I went everywhere I wanted to in a stock TRD Prerunner 2wd on Michelin LTX tires including out on sandy beaches to launch our sea kayaks. Just traded my 4Runner in on on new Land Cruiser and running guess what? Yep - Michelin LTX tires, quiet, smooth, excellent mpg, and great traction for everything I’m interested in.
My Subaru outback is insane what it will make it thru on good tread all seasons. Pretty equivalent to my truck in 2wd on good all terrains and I rarely went into 4wd
also farmers are doing things that they NEED to do with their vehicles rather than 'lets throw this truck into the craziest situation we can find and see what happens'.
It is amazing where you find stock Subaru's! The poor kid that works at the grocery store can't afford all the expensive stuff we obsess over and just tops off the gas tank and goes down the trail to where the rest of us are!
16:14: "Take the vehicle you have, go out into the woods, and camp!" This comment nailed it! Too many people confuse glamping with camping. I prefer minimal stuff to pack (and re-pack when leaving), and most 4x4 vehicles nowadays are waaay more capable than n00bies give them credit for, so they spend unnecessarily on stuff that they don't really need. That being said, for me, a winch was a MUST because I wheel solo almost 100% of the time, and it's more for self-recovery than it is for pulling out others.
Thank you!! That line probably sums the entire video. These trucks can get through way more than people are giving them credit for. And totally agree with the winch for solo travelers. Thank you for watching!
As a child, I got stuck with my dad and brother in the mountains and I thought we were going to die out there (and I’d never see my mom again-I was maybe 5). A few minutes later a Toyota Landcruiser showed up with a winch and pulled us out. I’ve always wanted a winch on my off-road vehicle since then.
I like this video, it seriously reduces newbies barriers to entry. I have been doing this type of adventuring in stock rigs for over 3 decades. Currently I drive a stock 2004 Ram 2500 4x4 with 285/75/17 Goodyear Wrangler tires. Most gravel roads are designed for loaded 80K pound log trucks, have snacks, plenty of water, an axe and shovel and use a whole bunch of sense and not drive into what you cannot drive out of.
I work with a guy who has gone into the deep end, he's got all sorts of axes, shovels, lights, winches.. whatever hanging off his Tundra.. A few months back we had a get together at some local sand dunes and a friend got stuck.. We asked dude if we could use the shovel on his rig and he said "No man, I lost the key to that like 6 months ago".. lol.. totally useless gear, we goof on him all the time for that
my 4runner looks extremely geared up (some bystanders think it's awesome, and others I'm sure are shaking their heads at me) but I go through the truck about 3 times a year, tear EVERYTHING out, and go item-by-item to decide over and over that "yes, I want to keep bringing this item, all the weight cost and bulk are still worth it to me" and then I reload/re-install everything I have positively decided that I still want. I'm rarely able to get rid of even just 5% of the stuff each cycle, because everything in the truck either gets used regularly (daily, weekly, or seasonally) or has already saved me once in an emergency situation and I won't leave home without it or has given me peace of mind more than once to continue my adventure, even without ever being used yet (like my gas can and a couple of the more exotic recovery tools - ironically, the gas can was my first "overlanding gear" purchase when I got the truck and it's basically the ONLY item that's never actually been needed - except for peace of mind on many occasions) my traction boards are used regularly and have the scuff marks to prove it :) my original max-traxx have been indestructible and I'm glad I followed a "buy once, cry once" approach for most of this stuff. Another idea that's mocked a lot lately in "overlanding" - expensive premium gear - "you could buy 10 lightbars for the price of that 1 lightbar" - yeah, but I don't want 10 cycles of a cheap lightbar breaking randomly at night in the woods and needing repurchased, shipped, removed and replaced after I straggle back down the trail with my broken tools - often with my family in the car with me, depending on me and the gear to get us home safely. I want a single, highly-reputable and probably therefore expensive, buy-once cry-once and DONE with the problem/solution, so I don't worry too much about it failing on me when I need it in the middle of nowhere not sure what my point is, just that sometimes I feel a little defensive these days because I have a shitton of not-cheap gear on/in my truck and the public opinion worm has turned on the "overlanding" fad but I DO constantly use the gear and constantly try to streamline and reduce it for my purposes. Definitely sometimes I feel like random bystanders judge me as a blind consumer, but they've never come out with me on a weeklong backcountry camping trip at 10k elevation where you might see 2 other human beings all week if it's a busy season, so what do they know :) I will say that as a dad, camper, amateur chef, and roadtripper, that once you put a fucking fridge in your car, you will never, ever want to go back probably my single greatest game-changer upgrade besides tires
Weeklong back country trip that is still accessible by forest road that any stock awd car could make. Overlanders huffing nothing but cope to justify the absolute shit ton of money they blow for no reason
I like that these guys are advocating for just getting out there with what you have. Maybe they just got caught up in the hype and just bought a bunch of shit without thinking. But I think that people should also be careful about going out there with "whatever you have" because you could get yourself into some trouble. If it's a well trafficked trail then maybe it's okay but I would hate for people to get themselves stuck out there. I got started in overlanding with a stock 4runner and a year later I took it through some water that was too deep and destroyed the whole car. Maybe I was stupid but, why did I do it? I was just doing what everyone else was doing out there with their lifted rigs and snorkels. I was fortunate that there were lots of people nearby to pull me out but there absolutely are limitations to what a stock 4x4 vehicle can do.
You’re 100% right. When I was a teenager we did a lot of these things without even 4x4. Sometimes the journey isn’t where you want to go but where you end up.
“Overlanding” has always made me giggle. It’s EFFING car camping. Amusing to see people driving around with traction boards, high lift jacks, armor and lights galore…pristine paint and clearly never have seen more dirt than a muddy parking lot. But then it is merica and cars are identity here so much is about the “look”.
🤣 for real!! It gets us too. And it really is so much the look. Don't get me wrong, some of these trucks look incredible!! But you can tell who just wants to show off
@@ferretapocalypse ya don’t say lol. Let’s be real….you can tell the trucks that are used and those for show. All the compound and polish does not hide the scars of wear and tear on equipment used well in actual adventures.
Overlanding, which is a long-distance traveling off-grid, is not off-roading (technical rigs), nor car camping. The word is misused. Overlanding helped marketers and businesses to define their products. It inspired folks with a new activity to spend time outdoors and in the garage building that rig. Who are we to crtitisise the ones who have buying power to treat themselves, whether they use it or not? It is not our problem. Heck, they drive🎉 the economy 🎉😂 We don't go around complaining who buys a pair of shoes for a dollar or thousands for fashion. It is their right. Overlanding helped couch potatoes surfing 🏄♀️ to get up and be more outdoors. You don't know how it affected each person 😂 I love truck camping, camping in a swag, and overlanding (crossing Europe, for instance). I have never been on an expedition. Some folks call overlanding expedition as well. Great video, guys. Calling it a scam is for views... people will watch, I get that. Same folks putting themselves in danger in nature. Inform yourself when you go to a new environment. Just seeing Urban species for 3 days on a beach needing health care because of their stupidity is astounding. There is enough information out there. First-hand decide what you want to do, what works for you. Camping is about your experience in nature. It is not about the gear. Though gear takes you there. It is meant to shelter, protect, nurse, and feed you. I love gear. I go into depth about everything. 🎉😂❤ though muy truck camping gear is EDC, high-quality buy once, design and technical gear, along with the most simple and bare products. What i need for that time. Some personal ones like my grandpa's army metal double lunch box from the 40s. Functional products for my application. Get creative. Build yourself as well. My truck bed is very modular. From no build to rigged up. To serve me and my application. Enjoy your time outdoors, guys 🎉
SO fun! 🤣 I think the hardest part is the downtime between trips. I'm itching to go and it makes me so susceptible to buying something to feel like I'm engaging with the hobby!
You don’t need anything till you’re in a situation where you need certain things like recovery equipment is something you shouldn’t skimp out on , electric $1200 fridges and solar panels it’s completely overkill imo. A Rooftop tent is also overkill, just me though idk
We’re running a Jeep wrangler now (just 3 weeks old), but I began all of this years ago with a Mitsubishi Evo with a rally suspension kit. I took that thing to places where most people with bigger appropriate looking rigs would stop and say “How the f did you get here with that?” Being limited with the vehicle forced me to figure out the best lines and how to do stuff through major trial and error. Tons of getting out of the car to move stuff. Cigarette lighter powered tire pump, some wood “recovery boards” we ripped out of a trashed grand piano, an insulated bag for food and drinks and a generic tent and collapsible shovel is all we had. Put 120k miles on that before trading it in. Driving out of rocky back country roads 5-10 miles in on just a donut spare tire was always fun.
I’m 70 and was caught up in the 4 wheeling craze in the early 70’s. Didn’t know a thing about it even though I’d driven trucks my whole life. Went out and put some BFG’s on( yes they were around even back then) a set of white spoke wheelies and just let it rip. Got stuck a few times but for the most part would just mash the pedel😅. Have an FJ now and even though it’s more capable than my 73 blazer was, I’ve never tried things with it that the blazer couldn’t tackle. Granted I don’t live in rock crawling territory, just mud, snow and tight trails. By the way, I thought the look of both was outstanding. Nice vid guys. PS: as close as I get to overlanding now is an air mattress in the back of the FJ usually at a rest stop!
Thank you so much! I can't imagine what the original 4 wheeling craze was like, that must've been a real party!! And that's awesome that you'll still sleep in the back of the FJ! We hope we're doing the same thing down the road! 😁
@@Automobrosthe 70’s were great for off roading. I don’t mud now (I’m 65) but I still camp. I learned to camp with very little in a 21 year military career.
@@Automobros Four wheeling really took off after WWII when the GI's came back from war zones with Willy's Jeep exposure and you could buy surplus Jeeps for a $100 or so. They had a payload capacity of 600 lbs.! So, no, you didn't bring much more with you than a friend, some ingenuity and food and beer. The water might come from the creek!
I got into it in the 70s also, I find it hard to believe the true 4 wheel drives available back then were less capable than a FJ. My first vehicle was a 1972 Bronco and there are very few vehicles on the market as capable as it was in off road situations. That 302, the factory dual gas tanks, replacement bumpers, factory roof rack (a real iron one, not just load rails), manual transmission, locking diffs/hubs which made it a true four wheel drive could not be beat by anything on the market today. Very few vehicles made today that even have true 4 wheel drive, even as an expensive option. Never did a Blazer so I can not speak to them, Broncos were the off road SUV choice where I lived, Chevys were for street cars.
Agree fully about winches with one caveat - if you are solo, its great insurance. Sometimes the mud looks worse than it is and you make a woopsie.... BUT the big bumpers with permanantly mounted winches is the real issue and cost. My solution? Winch plate that can be put into a trailer hitch. Mount a cheap winch to the plate, sitck it in the vehicle only when you think you might need it (not driving to work) and its there if you need - added bonus you can stick it on the back (or front if you have a front reciever) OR another vehicle in your caravan. Way more versatile than a permanent winch.
Solo you need a winch of some sort. Spent first 25 years of my life Offroad with my dad and we always had a “come a long” and a bunch of straps. Now I have a real winch and have had to use it several times.
Overlanding is for Australia, you are in America we drive off-road and do dispersed camping. Don't put a heavy tent on top of your vehicle, it will be top-heavy and washboard roads will destroy the mount.
@@Automobros Overlanding is more a European and African term. In Australia we call it "Touring". You are correct in that depending on the tracks you drive you may not need nearly as much of the stuff that is pushed by companies. We are also susceptible to overloading our vehicles on many occasions when they don't need it. As for winches. I started 4 wheeling in South Australia which has country very similar to what you are driving in this video (Flinders Ranges) and as long as you were with another car you didn't need a winch. After moving to the state of Victoria which has the 'High Country' which is much steeper and muddier, I found that I needed the winch even when in groups as the tracks are very steep and can be very slippery. I guess I am saying that people should build their cars for their situation and needs and not get carried away by the hype.
I drive on paved roads far more than I’d like, so I’ve made peace with being a car-camping “softroader’’ who is grateful any time I’m able to get out in the dirt.
This is probably one of the most reasonable, responsible, and logical videos I've seen on this subject. I see these channels, running a 65K$ right, a 12,000.00$ rooftop camper, another 80K in accessories, and I'm asking myself who has this kind of money. I'm thinking of getting a 2st gen 4runner this winter and doing a nice budget build for some weekend fun. Your tips and advice will help guide me in making some cost saving and smart decisions. Thanks guys.
You guys are awesome! Just getting into overlanding and loved to hear your message. Got out last weekend and went to places I never thought I could do....in my stock rig. Definitely rethinking my "must have" items and sticking to the basics!
Thank you so much man!!! And welcome to the lifestyle! What are you driving? And seriously kudos to you for getting out there with your stock vehicle and seeing what it can do! When it comes time for the bigger purchases, you'll know exactly what you want and why, and then you'll definitely get the most bang for your buck!
I spend most of my time in the woods. My recommendations: 1 Skill 2 Tires 3 4x4 4 Spare tire 5 Tow rope (emergency) Always have plenty of drinking water, snacks, tp, know where you are, and pay attention to where the spots for cell service are. Everything else is fine but what I mention is what you cannot go without and is what you will get the most out of.
I agree, I have the basics I need without breaking the bank. I bought a stock 2024 zr2 Colorado and Chevy has it setup perfectly for what I need. I’m not tearing the truck up , just being out and about, is fine for me. I just need to stay, dry and somewhat not starving. Basic sleeping bags will keep you warm in the most extreme temperatures.
I don't think it can be stated enough and you guys nailed it. doesn't matter the vehicle or the venue (off roading, over landing. auto cross, drag race, road course) having a basic understanding of what you and your vehicle are capable of are key. my lady wanted to get into light off roading but likes small vehicles so she got a trail hawk renegade. did 1 power line road and said we need all terrains. since then that little baby of a jeep has only continued to impress us and with her level of comfort frankly out performs what she is willing to do.
To anyone who wants to start “overlanding”- take what you already have, find public land with dirt roads and dispersed camping, and go. You’ll figure out how hard you want to go and what you need as you do it. Noone else can tell you bc what we all do is different. I will say that if you do a lot by yourself, and if you go harder, then you should bring more “just-in-case” stuff. And never apologize for having it and not using it- remember that is the hope for that stuff. Bc that one time you’ll need it, it will be indispensable.
'What we all do is different', sums it up. Remoteness, terrain, type of roads (or lack of), season, experience, ability and budget all play a role in equipment.
First, who I am. I'm 76 years old and have been off roading for over 50 years. [maybe since before you were born] Over the years I've owned most every commonly available 4X4 you can think of. All of them were good. Some were better, in certain situations, than others. In years past, I've done my share of 'extreme' wheeling. These days, I'd probably be considered an 'overlander'. My vehicle now is a 2018 4Runner Off Road Premium and I love it. It's my daily driver but also my exploring / camping vehicle. I had a 3 1/2 inch lift installed to try and keep it up farther from trail obstacles. Also, in the interest of not denting it, I installed a set of rock sliders. I had a steel front bumper installed which houses the 12,000 pound winch that came off my last Jeep before I sold it. I agree that winch usage is very infrequent. Then again, in a situation where it's used it's great to have. I had an aluminum 3/4 roof rack installed which does come in handy for carrying bigger items on rather than inside. In the future I'm going to have a steel rear bumper installed so I don't have to worry, so much, about dropping off of rocks or ledges and breaking any of that plastic stuff that sticks out on the rear. The new bumper will also have a tire carrier so I can get the spare tire out from under the truck. I really dislike carrying the spare under the vehicle. It's hard to retrieve when needed and is always filthy when you have to handle it. I also installed a front camera as I can't see the trail because the hood blocks the view. For tires I'm running KO2 265/70R17s. I don't feel you get much real, off road advantage with 1 or 2 inch bigger tires. I think I would see some real world gains in going to a 4 or 5 inch taller tire. But all of the baggage and expense that comes with that is not worth it for me and my usage model. Anyway, that's my take on the discussion. I'm meeting my brother, in a few weeks, out in the middle of nowhere Nevada to do some abandoned mine and mine camp exploring. I feel your video was a good, common sense look at 'overlanding' and I enjoyed watching it. Thanks.
Thank you so much for this response! 50 years!!! You definitely have a head start on us, so we will be deferring to your experience 😁 Your 4Runner sounds like a beast, and all of your mods purposeful. And you are really out there using it! A mine exploration trip sounds incredible, and I want to add that to the top of our list now. We really appreciate you sharing your insight down here in the comments. This is invaluable to everyone trying to learn. Thanks so much for watching!
Thank you for a frank and refreshingly different take on equipping your truck for the 95% of us that don't feel like we have to break something everytime we go out to have fun. I own a Power Wagon and have yet to be in a situation where I needed to use my winch. Having said that I'm glad I have it for the eventuality of having to pull someone else out but with lockers front and rear it's unlikely I'll ever need it for myself.
I was also getting caught up in the overlanding hype. It sounded cool. But after considering the cost and the amount of off-roading I will actually do, I decided to re-think the whole idea. My real need is mostly for hunting, fishing, kayaking and camping. Not overlanding. So, for my 2nd gen Tacoma SR5 4x4 the only upgrades I did was replace the factory shocks and upgrade to a good A/T tire. I'm riding on stock springs, no lift. Granted, I'm not a hard off roader but my stock Tacoma has been more than adequate for my needs. Thanks for the video!
Love this so much! There is a real freedom in understanding what you actually want to use your truck for, and then being purposeful about modifying it to that end. Then you get to get out there and have fun with the money in your pocket! And hey, if you decide you want to add more down the road, there will always be someone ready to sell it to you! Thank you so much for giving us a chance! 🙏🙏
Well, you are not wrong for you. The #1 thought about this particular topic is, beginners to experienced have a whole different level of understanding and ideas of what they want to do when they leave the pavement. With the internet, videos like this amongst countless other sources of information, can get an interested person a positive start going off pavement. Saving them grief that others have learned the hard way. There is a lot to be said about being overly prepared than under prepared tho. Your plan is to go some place over night and sleep and come back the next day. Simple enough plan. But a lot can happen off pavement. The further off grid you go, the more unplanned things can take place. I have had simple blocked time plans go wrong. As in, only going to be gone 2-4 hours. Blow a tire up a mountain and next thing you know, I have a 5-6 hour outing. Which easily could turn into an over nighter if I was not experienced and prepared for such things. The experienced, don't really need insight. But the novice, here are the bare essentials.(IMO) Your vehicle operating at it's best. The terrain you want to go too, do research ahead of time about it. Get to know whether your vehicle is capable of tackling it. IF you are not venturing out with a 2nd vehicle or more on your trip, always let someone know where you are going to be ahead of time and when you expect to be back.(good plan regardless of the convoy size)Double check your tires. Your spare included. Bring fix a flat. (make sure you have your jack and what not)Bring a 1st aid kit. Bring spare clothes.(does not take a suitcase or more to have something with you)Bring plenty of water for you, your passengers(pets too if you have them)and your vehicle. Food like power bars that can give you at least a days supply in case you are on the trail longer than anticipated.(don't forget your shovel and TP lol) Oil.(does not take a lot of room for 1 qt)Duct tape. Electrical tape. Coat hanger for bending and holding metal that might get dislodged. Flash lights. Basic tools such as pliers, screw drivers a knife. (hammer is optional lol) As they said here, gas is optional depending on a variety of factors. My list is more extensive for myself. But I have had a lot less than what I listed here and was in a predicament that lasted several hours longer than planned and it was not a comfortable feeling. Oh, and communications: hand held CB radio(bring batteries) or the kind you can plug into the vehicle.(don't forget the antenna)Not perfectly ideal, but better than nothing. Your cell phones may or may not get a signal and depending on the time of year and your health, you may not be able to walk to a spot you can get a signal. A satellite phone would be great. But even they can have dead spots requiring you to do a bit of creative searching for a signal. I know this was a lot, but if you have never done any research into this topic, now you have a tiny bit of insight of how to be a tiny bit better off when exploring away from the pavement. P.S. It would not hurt to be aware of wild life that could be a hazard to you or your group in the areas you plan on traveling in.
We seriously could not be more grateful for you taking the time to write all of this out 🙏 Absolutely PERFECT advice for people getting started. These are the true essentials, every item on this list more paramount than a winch or a lift kit for the everyman camper. Thank you so so so much for watching and gifting your insight, we're pinning this comment in the hope that it reaches as many people as possible!!!
From South Africa winch, same cenario had 8000lb for years used once, new vehicle 2T winch for aelf assist eg moving a dead truck out of danger... big difference between a recovery winch and a self assist.
I’ve been car camping ( over landing )since the mid 60s started in a 66 Land Cruiser my wife me and our dog . We would normally go for two weeks at a time , tent , tarp , foot locker with stove and cookware and miscellaneous stuff .Screen room , folding camp chairs, sleeping bags and foam mattress. Two 6 gallon jugs of water . Coleman cooler , food . Spare 5 gallon fuel can . We are now both 74 and have never stopped car camping. Difference is we now have a Sequoia more room more stuff :-)
My brothers and I did a lot of this kind of camping using 2 wheel drive pickups with camper shells. We got good at getting trucks unstuck from sand and mud.
Wish everyone saw this - we came to over-landing from back-packing, so carrying ONLY what absolutely need comes natural - but most people don't realize this till they've bought much more then they need
Most of my adventuring has been done cycle touring, so I find it highly amusing when I read of people struggling to keep their overland vehicles under the rated maximum vehicle weight! A toolkit, some well chosen spare parts, recovery equipment and a well packed backpack sized bag per person is all you need
Idk man, I was backpacking before I got into overlanding and while I agree that there's a lot you don't "need". One of the draws of overlanding was the ability to bring some luxuries to places that that I wouldn't be able to bring while backpacking. One example is that I can bring MUCH better food overlanding than the freeze dried stuff I have to bring for some backpacking trips.
Finally, someone said it! Ive been saying that the marketing machine has ruined the activity and unfortunately the current affordable truck market was the first casualty. I remember when I was a scout, I was heavy into "scout" and brand named equipment bandwagon, while my dad would just show up in shorts, black socks, a dented canteen and a buck knife and accomplished everything.
I am lucky enough to do thousands of km 'overlanding' across Northern Australia every year for work and recreation. I finally realised that you don't need all the mods and expense to enjoy the experience. There are some things that are very useful: bullbar, tow bar, schnorkel, dual battery if you run a vehicle fridge, max trax, a good first aid kit, some kind of remote communication (ie sat phone, star link), water, long range fuel tank (more useful in Australia, long distances between fuel stops), compressor, two spares or one spare and a tire repair kit. Good tool kit and some spares are essential. The camping gear should be simple, gear storage can be simple. Not sure where the term 'overlanding' came from, but it wasn't common in Australia until recently. First I heard it was by a South African travelling the Australian outback in a modified Troop Carrier. We used to call it 'going bush'.
Great video....Awesome you guys! Thank you...Just get what you need for what adventure that you decide to go on. True overlanding companies do take advantage of the market that's hot. It's all about making the adventure that you want. Regardless of whatever you veiw it as or what your decision is to upgrade your vehicle or whatever your adventure you go on, will determine what you actually need. I am happy that we have choices and im glad that overlanding companies and 4x4 industries make , engineer gear for us. Truly appreciate it because everyone is a different person and we are going to buy what fits us in our journey and adventure. So there is nothing wrong going all the way out fitting your 4x4 to whatever you want and there's nothing wrong with being less out fitted. It's your choice and it needs to be respected! Its all about the adventure and who cares what someone else thinks. It's just an their opinion, their chioce. No BIG DEAL , just have fun. Great video you guys.😊
This could not be better said! In a lot of ways we live in the golden era of this hobby, there are so many accessible options for almost style of getting yourself and your vehicle into the great outdoors. We are super lucky to have all of these choices in front of us! And having fun is the most important part, it is the reason we're all here in the first place 😁 Just build your setup for you and the adventures you want to go on! Thank you so much for watching and for the kind words! 🙏
I was going to buy a GFC camper tent. About $10,000 and it would be attached to my truck whether I needed it or not. But then I went with a $150 tent and weird thing is tents work just fine.
Please don't buy (finance?!) a GFC. You can buy a lot of ground tents and gas for $10K! And you can also leave your tent behind while you do some exploring around the area without having to pack everything up. Brilliant!
Wow. $10k to sleep seems crazy. Wife and I bought a travel trailer for $13k right before COIVD. What we found out is that trailer camping kind of sucks. Everyone seems to bring the whole house with them, including projectors or TVs. No thanks. We sold the trailer. Now we use our 4Runner and a Luno mattress. $300. lol
If I may add… one of the best pieces of gear you could have is an air compressor for airing back up once off the trail. Your nearest gas station may not have a pump and if they do you’re lucky if it works right lol.
What a joke i have been. I hauled around a high lift jack a dozen years an never used it. Dead weight. I prefered to use the bottle jack and blocks. Also, my lowly hand winch fence stetcher got me unstuck a time or two. The burned out forested roads i travel, a small chain saw is essential. -Jesse, in Idaho
Man I've had that jack on my Amazon list for 5 years now. I still try to convince myself that I need it, but deep down I think I know I just want to bolt it to my truck to show off lol Thanks so much for giving our vid a chance Jesse!!
This is so cool! These people actually do what overlanding is about, to be out there and be free spirited and just have an adventure, rather than most people just pretend tone someone who is not, I hate people take selfies all the time, is like they are out but not mentally present and still thinking back home and wanting to take photos to show people where they have been, instead just be out there
There's always gonna be people who just wanna look the part but fart from it. Like, I'm from Hawaii and people here love trucks but 98% of the people who own trucks don't use it for its purpose. Their trucks are precious, shiny with not a speck of dirt on it. The people who drive it are far from what a truck is intended for. Cars have become like clothes. It is about what looks "cool"
@@Uilani-g4m so true! People cant just be themselves and enjoying life, but sorry too much about what people think of them, so it becomes an image issue
I like this video guys, it’s a truth you don’t need all the gear you think you need. I did my first overland trip in my stock Subaru outback with just a roof top tent, a fridge, a stove & minimal gear. Since then I’ve added a spacer lift and a set of AT tyres, a bed platform and a draw but nothing much else and it’s good to go pretty much anywhere. Fortunately in the last 3 years I’ve not really bought too much gear I don’t want or use. I might have a bit of a stove addiction though 😂
What you need is a knife with a can opener and bottle opener; it would be nice to carry a BIC lighter! Also don't forget...boots, gloves, recovery gear, and a sense of humor!
I like a video like this! I don’t have much, if any, extra money for all the goodies. I enjoy watching overlanding videos, but find myself always saying “I wonder how much that rig costs?” And then I can’t believe how they run their 100k plus tricked out EOTW survival rig through every vehicle busting obstacle they can find, when there’s a bypass going around it. I get the needing clicks, but they’re influencing low experience people to go out and tear stuff up when they don’t have to. I appreciate you guys!
We're so glad you liked it! We are looking at the same videos and feeling the same way. It just feels like too much sometimes. We appreciate you so much, thanks for watching and subscribing! 🙏🙏
For me personally, I enjoy building the truck - It's fun and my truck turns people's heads. As I've built mine, I find myself upgrading what I use, and then in some trips when I get stuck or almost stuck, I set funds aside for upgrades that would help me get out of that situation. I rarely do upgrades just for looks, and I don't post anything about my truck to social media. The side benefit is eventually I will have what people think is an "overland rig", and I am ok with that.
This is the best man! I think that's the perfect way to approach this stuff, and there's nothing better than building it for you. Every mod is a response to a challenge you gave yourself, which is just too cool 😁
I have six gas cans sitting in my shed, accumulated over my 30 years of driving. They were all purchased at gas stations after a long walk from my vehicle. Sometimes I misjudged my range, but I've also had gauge failures on five different vehicles, believe it or not. I didn't have a reasonable way to carry a gas can around with me all the time back then, I do now. Spare fuel is the same as a spare tire IMO. I've also used that spare fuel to help out my fellow man.
You don’t need it until you need it. I have used my winch twice, max tracks once, gas cans probably three times and 33” MT tires are a most for my wheeling. But with out them i probably have been in big trouble those few times that I used them.
Very true! The further you go out, and the more challenging the terrain, the more necessary and useful these tools become. And there are people who are actually going to push themselves and their vehicle (like yourself!), where this equipment becomes an actual investment instead of a statement piece. I think a lot of people get lost in the valley between car camping and legit off-roading, and waste a lot of money in the process.
Hear! Hear! After a decade of off-roading via the US Army I now go out on a hearty 4x4 excursion 2 or three times per year. I embarrassed to admit I smirk to myself when I encounter a train of maxxed out Jeeps struggling with the trail I just came through. In my 99% stock LX470 (aka Land Cruiser). The only “mod” is that I put the biggest BFG AT K2s that would fit under the stock ACH suspension (~32”). I bring a fold up shovel (which I’ve never used). Just go and have fun!
The best mod is to ditch all the unnecessary weight of stuff you don't need, like heavy-duty this and that, jacks and spare wheels. Too much weight greatly increases your chances of needing a spare wheel to begin with! Learn how to take care of the tires you have and how to repair the most common punctures without removing the wheel from the rig.
Thanks guys, informative & beneficial. I've had two Rubicons, and now one. We head to the Maze in the Spring and Needles (Canyonlands) in the fall. When we go to the Doll House area, we HAVE to have extra gas. We carry 4 gallon rotopax tanks that sit on a carrier outside the back tire. We also carry a Trasharoo that we put our 'final' garbage and recycle into. We carry soft shackles & use them more often than hard shackles & now carry a 20 ft. rope that has slight stretch for 'jerks' and hard pulls. We were in the Needles two weeks ago, the larger mud tires and lift make it a safer and more efficient ride on the difficult rock climbing. Highway travel is not the best, but these units are built for the backcountry. Different than you, we have used the winch at times, and used circular synch blocks to double the pull. We also take a mid size hard plastic container with lid, that we put our garbage bag in during the day and night, the mice can't get to it - they will get into the auto area and even engine seeking out food.
See, you know what you're doing and what you need! A trip like that sounds absolutely epic, and I would love to do something like that one day 😁 Thanks so much for the kind words!
@@Automobros Memories fail. Ropes, I've tried Yankum kinetic ropes, they are heavy and beefy - they functionally work well, but don't pack down tight. I use is Voodoo 20 ft. kinetic rope (lighter and packs easier) just as strong and functional. I have soft shackles from 3 sources, but like the voodoo brand that work well in my view; they can wear out. Two years ago we were atop Elephant Hill in Needles Canyonlands, (ready to drop and start the difficult route to Devils Kitchen). Three vehicles and riders from Virginia, with stock SUV's and small trucks; they couldn't get up the last steep pitch. We drove down, put our nose to the hill, tied the 20 ft. line with soft shackles (& one hard shackle) on both vehicles and pulled one up (backing up) and then pulled up another. Soft shackles only work functionally with rounded corners (off a front or rear steel bumper); if there is no rounded corner a hard shackle is needed. Newer bumpers have rounded corners. If hard shackes are left on vehicles over long periods and they accumulate sand, dust, dirt, mud and water, they can bind up & be very difficult to loosen. For 3 years I did that, but no more, hard shackels are carried in a 'bag' along with soft shackles and a small rounded sych block (for 2-1 pulls). If soft shackles can be attached safely, they are used, if not, then hard shackles are temporarily put on, but only if secure (if they come loose they can damage vehicles & kill humans.) You both have a good attitude & style, pleasant, courteous. I had a professional life but also the outdoors for decades - mountaineering, canyoneering, backcountry skiing. Our vehicle travel into the outdoors allows us to get to spots to hike, scramble and explore, often finding archaic indigenous rock art and structures; & get exposed to much beauty & wonder. I don't know where you guys are from, or where you hang out?
It is good to see that you are letting people know the truth about the latest craze (the term, “Overlanding”). Note; 4 Wheeling, Rock Crawling, Car Camping, Expeditions Adventures all have similarities, Overlanding is still a separate beast of it’s self! My background is more extensive them most peoples. I also made a living through the 4 wheeling community as well. I have traveled by motorcycle with my camping gear starting in 1965. A short break in time in Vietnam then getting back in with Motorcycles in 1971 and adding Jeeps. After learning from more experienced people for about 12 years, I was asked to teach some new people about 4-wheeling. This became a full time career, I then started putting together Expeditions and overlanding adventures in North and Central America. I traveled around and at the early days it was motorcycle or car camping. The expedition was a totally different but had many similar traits. The expeditions were more specific with certain goals as a group. Overlanding more of traveling with a vehicle and being self contained. This can be by yourself or with others. I have worked shows with my sponsors and been given many products over the years to test for companies. Many have been OK to use. I only have a short list of the must haves to go overlanding. What I have found is; There are many items to make oneself more comfortable, but not necessary a must have for overlanding. I have not watched your other “You Tube” videos but this is a nice start. The one thing that a person can get and it transfers between all vehicles. Is good training by a certified instructor/educator. When you know how to drive and to know when to say when is enough, you can save $20,000.oo to $100,000.oo. for a vehicle and even your life. At 65 years of age I was told to retire and I closed my Driving school and Guide Service. That was almost 13 years ago but I am still doing the overlanding and down to three 4X4's.
I mean, you _had_ perfectly good Foresters (1:13 seemingly SF & SG w/ manual transition and probably even low gear) to build up on. All they typically need is a bit of a decent lift, good shock absorbers and, like, a set of General AT3 tyres not wider than 215. Keeping them rust free and servicing them regularily with proper fluids keeps them alive and is OK on the wallet.
Yes, only they were automatics!!! The XT would probably still be with us if it was the 5 speed. The Xterra behind them was a stick, and man do I miss it
Great points! It's easy to get caught up in the hype when it comes to offroad gear. My current truck I had all of these plans for a bed rack, decked drawer system, and rooftop tent. After a few trips without all of that I have completely changed gears to a softopper and camping in the bed of the truck on a cot. Saved thousands and still retained some extra functionality in my truck. The best advice is just get out there and do it. Start slow if you're new but experience really is the best teacher.
Americans have taken the car camping to a whole different level. Lots of people overbuilt and over spend money just to drive Forrest roads and go to national parks which many of them have established campgrounds with facilities. You are never to far from the civilization like our Australian counterparts who ventures in the outback for weeks or many days before they encounter another town
Yes exactly this!!! I think so many of us in the States are building for a 2 week trek in the Outback, which you would have to work pretty hard to build an excursion like that here. We are just overconsuming like crazy in this community (the American way lol)
@@AutomobrosAnd so what? People build out their cars to go obscene speeds that they're never going to achieve because you can't drive that fast on the road. Again, this is people's hobby. Part of the overlanding gig is looking the part. People like that. And there's nothing wrong with that. No one wants to go overlanding in a Dodge caravan, but you can.
Thank You. I've been silly enough to answer "what do I do" questions from people who already did it .... and tell them all 4X4s will already go 90% of the places the off road crowd go, and to save the money for gas. After buying a full recovery kit, I discovered the group I rode with treated me as their token Old Guy and so wouldn't let me do anything for myself so now all I carry is a tree strap, short strap and shovel, they and the winch will be enough. .... Now back to you. Suggest, along with OnX, people consider the mobile version of Starlink, because there is no place it won't work, and you can watch Matt's Off Road Recovery as you wait for the help you called with Starlink.
I always wonder about the fuel cans, Rotopax type. They are usually only 1 or 2 gallons. My TRD Pro gets 16 mpg, so that amount of fuel isn't going to get me very far.
Yes!!! They look so good, but both filled up would give me maybe 50 miles, under perfect conditions. In an crazy emergency, I'm sure I'd be happy to have it, but in the states it's just so easy to plan around filling up at the last gas station before you head into the mountains and when you come out
@Automobros biggest reason I'd want to carry fuel in my wrangler is because I'm custom tuned and 91 octane so I always feared not having premium fuel along the way but out of many many trips I've never had issues where I couldn't find 91 or 93 octane.
You only need extra fuel for extended outings when you calculate time/distance between gas stations. I usually carry (2) 2 gal cans and up to (4) 2 gal cans.
Thank you, guys, for letting us newbies know all these things. I got a 25 Honda Pilot Trsilsport for going car camping with the wife and two small dogs. Here are some of the things I have bought for the Pilot. One size up on the A/T tires, a rooftop cargo box, and an air mattress. These are the essential things I git for camping. Power station, a 12v fridge, a 750w microwave, and last but not least, an electric kettle. My power station is an Anker C1000 and can handle all the stuff I have, and it was on sale for $549.
From a 50+ guy who has camped all his life and started going with my dad in his Jeep to owning jeeps Toyotas, Nissans, Ford 4x4, I love how this whole "Overland" segment has been created and is pushing so much unrequired equipment. I agree 90% of the equipment is unrequired, it sells because it is cool looking but a winch is pretty useful.
This was helpful guys, I’ve gotten myself into this trap thinking I need more than I can use practically. Just get out and have fun, save the cash for more adventures, not gear that you might never use!
I had a 3rd gen tacoma and had it set up for overlanding. I found out that i tend to go out by myself most of the time, or with the wife and son. I used service roads, live in midwest texas so it is generally flat, and played it safe due to not really wanting to have to deal with getting stuck and all of that. Its a weird time when you want to get that look but suddenly you realize most of it is not needed for seeing the outdoors lol. I have since sold the truck and finally finished engine swapping a 2001 discovery that i have that i will now use for camping/daily driving. Due to the tall nature of the vehicle, a roof top tent kind of doesnt work unless i am taking it on and of all the time. I am now starting to plan the disco build and i am skipping most of the items that social media tells me i need. subscribed! thanks for the chill attitude!
It is a scam. Its the markets trick to have you overload and break your truck All you need is a shovel and a winch, You're unstoppable then. And as for tires 285s and 295s are the best tires! they dont weigh 8000 pounds and your vehicle doesn't have to suffer Really all the "equipment" they say you must have is literally a lie. Like Air compressors, Buy one from walmart for 35 bucks and you can air all your tires 0 issues. Or Buy some expensive stuff like ARB just to do the same job. But for 500 dollars and you have to hardwire it into your vehicle Clown Stuff really
This!!! I bought a car battery powered compressor for $30 from Amazon 3 years ago and it still works great. It's not as cool or convenient as an on board one but does the same exact thing for $100s less.
@@azfersaeed1602You get more respect out on the trails with basic equipment that works (less movable parts=less weak spots); other people know you’ve been riding up and down dirt roads before Covid came around, and it was re-birthed as “overlanding” by the instagram tools.
I just ran the smoky mountain 500 solo with my old 1975 Volvo C303 and I took what I needed. After the trip I went thru my stuff and reviewed what I took to see if I needed it used it or should have left it at home. Lucky i had just what I needed. I agree it’s all car camping especially in the east cost. I don’t even cook I eat locally and try different foods. Also there is always a Dollar General with in 5 miles ! Lol. I did need my winch for moving a tree and used my electric chainsaw 2 times to clear a tree in the way. So I thought they would not be needed but surprise I got to use them. Sleep in my truck on an original stretcher! For me using vintage vehicles makes it more fun and edgy as in will it make it or not ! Cheers.
First red flag to “overlanding” is the lift setup. Ruins the road stability and shortens the lifespan of the CV axles. Thought hard about lifting my Subaru and decided no because I’d be sacrificing 99% of driving for 1% chance I might off-road. Maybe I’ll get a set of Wildpeaks and possibly new wheels.
I love these videos! Stop buying into hype, just get out there and find limits. I had 33's on my 4runner for the past 2 years. Just went back to 31's today. I have no need of big tires in Wisconsin, and I don't wanna road trip cuz it's so much work for my 22re 5 speed 4runner to go down the road. 4.88 gears vs stock 4.10 is also really helpful, but 31's also allow for easier loading of cargo, less step in height (really annoying when rock sliders stick out 4"), etc. I knew since day 1 of the 33's I'd probably wanna go back. Can't wait to get a few more parts replaced and to just go camp and explore, no stress
It is true that you probably won't need a winch if you're out there with other people. However, if you go out alone a winch is a great insurance policy.
Everything you said makes sense to me. The only thing we sometimes need where I live here in 🇨🇦 is extra ⛽️ , especially in winter since your car might be your only source of heat in case of an emergency. I'm
Very good advice! I’ve been over landing since the ‘70s and I haven’t needed half the stuff available for this type of vehicle adventuring. My driving skills keep me out of trouble (so far) most of the time, so pick the most capable vehicle you can afford, modify as needed and do your own thing.
It's mind blowing people are just now realizing this lmao. Overlanding is proof people are morons and will comply to any type of advertising. God bless y'all. Seek help
Car camping by any name hasn't changed for me. Nothing extravagant. We bring exactly what we will need. I have been doing it since I got my drivers license. I took my 69 Camaro into some pretty interesting places. Wish I still had that old car. It was a fun ride.
😂I use my un-modified 2008 and 20 17 dodge caravans on 4x4 trails with no problem for years here in AZ. Now they are no rock crawler, but the ground clearance is larger than most vehicles stock. Yea its FWD, but all the weight is in the front, and I have never had a problem getting stuck. Also having 7 passengers and a full packout is invaluable. My advice would be to take your time, and don't take any unnecessary risks. But it is always interesting to feel out of your element on trails with 100k rigs, and keeping up.
I'm confident I've put my mostly stock 96 4runner through way more than most overlanders. Mods can make things more comfortable, but cars are surprisingly reliable off road without any modifications.
Thanks for sharing; and helping me delineate Needs from Wants. Two helpful points for me are (1) don't be persuaded by Product Advertising to buy a thing, rather, assess a product for its merits, not for its hype, and (2) do what is simple and sufficient (such as your example of tow strap verses winch).
If you don’t have what urgently is needed, may God grant that you’re the only one who pays the price. Just as a place to start, I offer a few backcountry rules of thumb. (1) What matters the most is the improbable emergency. The more improbable, the worse the consequence. (2) You are responsible for the safety of everyone in your vehicle. Be prepared. (3) Be prepared also to assist others you might come across - drinking water, food, clothing, fuel (refresh monthly), medical and trauma kits, comms, battery jump, towing, tools, transport, and so forth. (4) Take an advanced first aid class such as offered by the American Red Cross. Better yet, take an 80-hour wilderness first responder class. Build your own medical and trauma kits and refresh them at least every year.
Congrats! Excellent video...I'm a wildlife biologist and am surprised about the way camping has taken...it seems that you cannot go outdoors without a lot of things...videos like this points to the essence of the experience of been in the wild...thanks a lot...best regards from Mexico..
Thank you! That is all we wanted to say. The most important part is unplugging, getting out in nature, and exploring. And I think this is our first comment from Mexico! 🤩
2006 Jeep Commander 5.7 engine, 3 inch lift, goes anywhere I want to go. Easy trails, no rock crawling just out in desert and mountains on dirt roads. Just wish it had a bigger fuel tank. We have had it since new. Tent, sleeping pad and bag, cooler and a way to cook. All you need for the weekend
I have been exploring trails and overlanding for 15 years, starting in an FJ Cruiser, then two 5th gen 4Runners, and now I have a new GX 550 Overtrail that is very capable stock. All but my second 4Runner were totally stock. My second 4Runner had the Magnuson supercharger (not overland related), a long range fuel tank, and a Victory Blitz front stealth bumper. I had no sliders or anything and usually slept in the back with seats folded down. I was able to get to VERY remote places too! I keep telling people their stock rig is good enough, as long as you understand the capabilities. It always was for me!😊 I am happy some TH-camrs are starting to be honest about the lack of need for all the crap accessories people buy. Thanks!
First off, congratulations on your fantastic taste in vehicles 😁 The Overtrail looks like a work of art and we are very envious! I think getting out and learning just how capable your stock vehicle actually is, is probably the most important step that so many people are skipping over. I think they would all be very surprised, and might end up keeping a lot of money in their wallets! And thank you for the kind words, we're trying to do our part!
@@Automobros I appreciate your reply and insight! People need to hear this. I still see people buying new 4x4s and not trailing until they get all the unnecessary mods that some TH-camrs told them they need. Like cutting up the vehicle to squeeze in 37s, destroying ride quality and devouring fuel economy, useless ARB front lockers, thousand inch lifts lol, adjustable King/Fox shocks with reservoirs etc etc. I teach interested friends how to properly drive off road, and that a proper set of tires is about all you need. Bigger tires does not mean better lol.
Can’t stress enough how much I enjoyed this video! I absolutely espouse your entire off-roading/camping philosophy and way of doing off-roading stuff; I do exactly the same! My 2020 JGC Trailhawk v6 3.6 lit, fully armored underneath plus steel bumpers front and rear; with no other mods and still OEM “street tires” has allowed me to earn 16 Jeep Badges of Honor from Atlanta, GA, to Colorado, Utah, Arizona and most States in-between! 😮 P.S. I am getting a new set of tires though: Mickey Thompson Baja Boss A/T 265/65r18. FYI, I spend six months of the year here in the States and the rest six in Greece off-roading in milder trails and terrain with my 2016 JGC Overland Trail Rated, V6 3.6 lit. rig! TOTALLY stock! 😊
We're so glad you enjoyed the video! And that is AWESOME!! You are really putting your vehicle through its paces and showing what it can actually do 😁 I think you'll feel unstoppable once you have the ATs on it! And spending half the year roaming around Greece sounds like a life dreams are made of 🤩 That is just too too cool
@@Automobros Thank You. My life’s dream was accomplished in August/September of 2023, when I did the Western Loop: a month and a half of off-roading in Colorado, Utah and Arizona! Awesome experience, adventures, memories and photos…safely (for the most part). I’ve been doing half the year in the States, half in Greece for the last twelve years…still doing it at 77 years young!
I agree. I made my truck terrible to drive. Big lift and tyres with full bar work. Removed a lot of unnecessary weight and focused on camping comfortably. Now I love going out and camping again.
Thanks so much for sharing, and we're pumped you found the love again! Was the same way for us, we didn't realize how much all the stuff was getting in the way of our enjoyment.
As a weekend camper, self rating 4, much of this is true and many items I buy are out of convenience (awning/heater). Winch because I’m solo. Heavy invest in suspension, AT stock size tires, Boards for leveling and northern winters. RotoPax mount often gets used for the water container to fully put out fires and keep drinking water separate.
Loved the video. I am a weekend warrior. There is 100% looking cool vs real use. Its cool to see the differences in everyones goals and needs. The only thing i do have a need for you mentioned is fuel. It's not necessarily a need but very convenient. It may make the diffference from fishing a stream and hitting a new rural road on a limited time weekend vs adding an hour to my journey to hit a station to refuel. Super good video. Its all about learning what you actually need and the journey.
I know it's not related to overland gear, but: 3 key points I recommend to all new off roaders: 1. Google: How to save offline google maps on your phone. That way when signal is lost, you can still navigate the trail via GPS. TIP: Don't try to do a new search while offline, you will lose your current route and can only see your current position without route guidance. 2. Do youtube research on the area you are planning. That way you know what to expect and if your vehicle is up to the challenge. Weather does play a big role in the trail conditions but at least you have a good idea what to expect. Most of the time, traction boards will get you through mild changes on the trail. 3. Don't go alone if you have the option to go with others.
No this is absolutely perfect!!!! Exactly the type of content we're trying to have down here. Tips like this can go way further than a piece of gear in so many situations! Thanks for sharing this 🙏🙏
I was thinking of installing OME 2.5 lift kit and today I decided to save $2,500 and cancel the “up grade” My 1997 Land Cruiser series 80 awesome as is! After watching this amazing video I feel so much relief that I decided to stay with my stock suspension system! Plus my wife is totally happy to not have my Toyota lifted! She doesn’t like the look of any vehicles that are lifted! Anyways thanks for sharing this great video! I am old school outdoor camper by backpacking a lot in the 70s Now I do a lot of vehicle camping less backpacking! I also have a 1994 GMC Conversion Van that I live on most of the summer! It’s kind of interesting I paid $3,00 back in 2013 with only 85,000 miles on it! I vehicle camp and other capers are mostly Sprinter Vans that average around $150,000 I have just as much fun! I have just as fun as them😅 Cheers and get out with whatever you have! Don’t listen to the noise that’s out there because of course they want your hard earned money! I am a young 69 and it’s incredibly insane now the
When I was in college, I would take my Crown Vic (yes, a land boat) to place where a lot of people with trucks wouldn't go. I did spend a lot of time digging myself out, but I have such a fun time that those memories will be with me forever. Now I'm s little older and have a 4wd truck, I found myself taking things quite a bit easier. Simple camping trips not too far off the road, still having a great time!
The coolest thing about this video, Broke Boys, is that the two of you enjoy not only off-roading with each other but also creating content together. Keep it up!
Great episode. South African here. My wife and I go backwards and forwards accross the country and spend lots of time on’safari’ , ie in game reserves. Africa has all sorts of roads…and we drive all sorts. We are however never more than 500km ( mostly less than 300km) from a town. My VW Amarok pickup has no low range..never got stuck. I chose it for the permanent AWD that allows me to change road surfaces without having to do too much…It is always in some form of 4WD and super comfortable .we do not tackle hectic trails..the missus refuses..so no low range works for us…and our needs.😅 I Have aftermarket Seikel suspension fitted in the VW dealership and standard AT tyres…and thus have a compete warranty and also purchased a full maintenance plan from VW..I only pay for tyres until 7 years or 150000km are done…. I do have a dual battery system with inverter, drawer system that holds 6 ammo boxes in the Smartcap canopy as I just do not want to hop in and out at my age., 42 lt water tank as well as additional 45 lt fuel tank…my fridge is a 52 lt fridge/freezer which keeps us going for 10 days worth of food. I carry a recovery kit, puncture repair kit and a small compressor and a credit card..…my maxxtrrxx are in my garage at home😂in the box they came in. We never go anywhere without plenty of water and some food. We now can pack for a 3 week trip in about 2 hrs after deciding..every ammo box is labelled and only the food ones need to be removed and. Filled. I see the fully kitted rigs that are in exactly the same place that It am and lust after them, but ultimately am able to write this comment from Venice ,Italy as I did not blow the cash on gear that I (me and me only- no criticism of anyone) do not need😂 and am on holiday here for a change..😂😂😂 You guys hit the nail on the head! Sometimes we just buy too much stuff….for our own specific needs…. Great channel
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Hey everyone!!! We just wanted to thank everyone for the INCREDIBLE discussion we've been having down here in the comment section! There are so many great perspectives and thoughtful inputs. It blew up down here so we're still trying to read everything and respond where we can!
We also wanted to reiterate that people interact with this hobby in a lot of different ways. We're not trying to pass judgement on anyone's purchases, or tell people how they should spend their money. You know better than we do if the trails you are running might require use of a winch. We just want to try to lower the perceived barrier to entry to getting out in the woods and having fun. Marketing is a hell of a drug!
Thanks for the info. It’s definitely appreciated. Can you comment on your use of radio and comms while outdoors? I saw a CB antenna in one of the trucks and was wondering what’s your experience with it. Thanks again
I’ve been four wheel driving in Australia for the last 40 years and I’ve learnt a few things along the way. Normally the two biggest reason a vehicle gets stuck is the driver. The inexperienced driver: this bloke doesn’t know what he’s doing. He doesn’t know what gear he should be in, he doesn’t know where to keep the engine revs at, he doesn’t know what line to take, he doesn’t know exactly where his wheels are and worst of all he doesn’t know his own limits. They think that keeping forward momentum means pedal to the floor and just try to crash though.
The second is the lazy driver: this bloke doesn’t want to get out and walk the line, he doesn’t want to walk the water crossing to check for hidden obstacles or deep holes, he doesn’t want to adjust his tyre pressures to suit the conditions and he certainly doesn’t want to find an alternative, less difficult route. Like the inexperienced driver, he just wants to crash through. It’s amazing how many people underestimate what their vehicles are capable of straight from the factory and a lot of the time it’s the driver that gives up before the vehicle does. If you want a winch, get a hand winch like a Tirfor. It can pull your vehicle in any direction, it’s a lot lighter than an electric winch and there’s a lot less to go wrong. Being a hand winch, it’s a lot more work so it makes you think before you leap. Lastly something to keep in mind, the more recovery gear you have like double diff locks, electric winch, big wheels ect, the deeper in the shit you’re going to be when you do get stuck so it’s going to be even harder to get out. Great video guys. Cheers, Stuart 🇦🇺
I've been using a couple of hand winches (we call them come-alongs) my entire 30 year off-roading career and I started feeling deprived as hell since Instagram came out 😂
@@AdamVest 😂😂😂It all looks easy on instagram.
Completely agree
Thank you Stuart, we really appreciate the kind words! And incredibly happy to have your insight down here in the comments. 40 years of 4WD in the actual Bush is the something most Americans can't even fathom. Listen to this man and take his advice everyone!!!
Thanks Stuat!
Every point you made is so accurate! After 40 years you have seen it all.
This is pure wisdom and experience. Thanks for sharing with all of us.
This needed to be said. I started off road camping in the 80's in my old FJ60 with a Walmart tarp over the open hatch. Coleman stove, cheap Walmart folding chairs and a card table. It was not called overlanding then. Overlanding is like X Overland going to Africa and Iceland. I now have a $25 dollar hammock, it's great! Go to the Dollar Store and buy your cookware and put it in a plastic dollar store box. When it wares out throw it away and replace it. Don't throw it out in your camp site....tread lightly.
Yep!! I started in the mid 80s as well, in my 1st gen 4Runner. When blacked out trim cost less, whereas nowadays, blacked out trim costs more/part of an upgraded package.
Excellent points and to really tread lightly but quality gear that won’t wear out and need to get tossed.
I just got back from the Pomona Off Road Expo, they had tons of overlanding gear. It's like taking your house with you camping, electronic gadgets, refrigerators, battery packs, solar panels etc. What happened to a tent, a Coleman stove, a lantern and an ice chest?
or a empty camper shell add a mattress sleep bag and im good love a tail gate but not many with a 6'5 box or a single cab 8' box trucks out there but im not doing the rubicon
I was considering on going today as well. Trying to see what's out there for my gx460.. They got any discounts there on suspension 🤣😂
@@j-kamautomotive1817Don't put discounted crappy stuff on a Lexus. If you want to go cheap, buy a Suzuki!!
@@vertstang123 nothing
Call me crazy, but the more experienced I get, the less I want to fool with all that stuff. I sleep in a hammock under a tarp, cook on a tiny backpacking stove that fits inside the one tiny pot I bring. My little headlamp seems as good as a lantern. Ice chest? Nope. Everything for camping fits in a duffel bag or backpack. Everything for vehicle maintenance or recovery fits in a cheap plastic box or two. Eliminating all the stuff I don't need makes it easier on my body, easier on my vehicle, easier on my budget, and I spend more time doing the things that I go out there to enjoy. At least for me, it ain't about the truck.
I work in & offroad my vehicle daily… 70%-80% of the stuff you “need” is worthless weight that just slows you down, wastes fuel & takes up space.
NO to wheel spacers… weak point & WILL break
Yes exactly this! We're overbuying stuff as a community
And agreed, once you start wheeling with any seriousness the spacers probably need to go. We ran Spidertrax for a couple years and they held up fine, but as with anything on the internet your mileage may vary 😁
Overlanding? Nothing more than a marketing term for car camping… It’s cool to build your rigs.. but the past 10 years it’s been nothing more but for looks and LIKES on IG.. I’ve grown to hate the term..
Couldn't agree more man, it feels like so many people have completely lost the plot. The consumerism is just over the top now
Some people have the money to spend and build some awesome trucks for sure! But so many guys are just keeping up with the Joneses and spending to spend
I remember just the simple term, "offroad, wheeling..."
yes iv been doing car camping for 40 yrs in the back of my parents wagons / s.u.v .s ,fold down the back seat, padding sleep bag im good same with a ute pu with a camper top shell, pad and sleep bag
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Cosplay Fauxverlanders with lil weenies!
We go solo remote off road camping (in Australia) for weeks on end. I can tell you, when you’re by yourself and you’re stuck on a slippery ridge, then it’s such a relief to be able to winch yourself out of trouble. You don’t need something until you need it. Good vid, keep up the good work.
Yes! that is exactly the type of adventuring that requires these things! We just want all the people driving forest roads on the weekend to see this 😆
Thank you so much for the kind words!
A good driver doesn't use their winch very often. I carry 150 feet of synthetic rope, soft shackles, tree strapping, and a heavy-duty come along. Yes, it would be a pain in the ass to actually use, but it costs and weighs a lot less than a winch, needs no maintenance, and can get you out of almost anything.
Mmm my opinion is need it first then spend the money vs spending money and not need it!
@@ZipZoomZipthe only reason i picked a winch over a comealong is the winch doesn’t take up cargo space.
@@Alan.livingston I use a Cybertruck for off-roading and a come-along doesn't even put a dent in the massive cargo space.
Some of the most fun I've had off-roading was in bone-stock vehicles with all-season radials. Low ground clearance, no skid plates, no winch, just driver skill. One time, my wife and I decided to take the adventurous way over a mountain ridge on the way home from a spring road trip. We were in a almost new, tiny, low slung 1984 Subaru station wagon. It had all-wheel drive, not 4x4. Our philosophy was that we would not drive anywhere we couldn't backtrack from, if necessary. We navigated through mud swamps covering the trail, to steep, rocky technical driving, and everything in-between. We came out above the clouds on top of the ridge to find 12 members of the local Jeep club. They were all lifted with 35-37" tires, skid plates, rock sliders, the whole nine yards.
When they saw us, their jaws dropped. They looked at the shiny, almost new low-slung Subaru wagon with stock tires, the roofline barely came above the tops of their tires (slight exaggeration) and wanted to know how we got up there. Knowing we were on the only route (or at least the only mapped route) I said, "what do you mean?" They wanted to know if there was an easier way up to their regular weekend 4x4 spot that they didn't know about. I told them I came up the way I assume they came up, the easiest way. They said the easiest way up was the way we were going. When I confirmed that we came up from the same direction we had arrived, their jaws were hanging on the ground. It was as if they had wasted all that time and money modifying their Jeeps. As we were ready to depart, they told us if we made it this far, we wouldn't have any problem on the way out. Just goes to show you don't need a manly looking off-road rig to get most places people actually go.
My 87 Subaru wagon had 4WD, (and low range) not AWD. Did Moab's White Rim trail with it amongst Toyota, Jeeps, Troopers (this was 1989). Got lots of looks etc. Had to be more careful with line choice but that thing would surprise me with where it could go. When I got my 93 XJ I realized my little Suby had been playing with the big boys in real offroad conditions. Miss that Sube, -and it's 34 MPG..
Camping + instagram = overlanding. I started camping outside with no tent no sleeping pad just a tarp and a sleeping bag. If you had a bucket it was a luxury chair. Nothing wrong with the overlanding hobby but I agree with you guys, beginners should know camping can be affordable and easy to start. Been camping for 30+ years, the more I camp the more I value bringing less but value comfort more.
use the car wagon aka s.u.v. , ute pu you own , can you sleep in the car ? rack on top. for Gear add a camp shell
That's all we're trying to say! 😁 The more you get out there the more you'll know exactly what you want to spend money on and why
@@Automobros yup, great video. The community needs more of this and less gear pushing instagram influencers! Gear is great but the main thing is the experience and adventure. Well done.
@@theoutdoordad7395 thank you so much, we really appreciate it!
Channel called 4xoverland, where the real overlanding takes place.
The biggest hint at how much of this crap you dont need is looking at what farmers use. If farmers out in australia are running stock trucks on road tires a thousand miles from the nearest town and never seeing tarmac then why would anyone else need more when your going on pre cut tracks anyway. Half of the tracks shown as cutaways in this video could be done in a stock subaru for gods sake.
For 15 years, I went everywhere I wanted to in a stock TRD Prerunner 2wd on Michelin LTX tires including out on sandy beaches to launch our sea kayaks. Just traded my 4Runner in on on new Land Cruiser and running guess what? Yep - Michelin LTX tires, quiet, smooth, excellent mpg, and great traction for everything I’m interested in.
My Subaru outback is insane what it will make it thru on good tread all seasons. Pretty equivalent to my truck in 2wd on good all terrains and I rarely went into 4wd
also farmers are doing things that they NEED to do with their vehicles rather than 'lets throw this truck into the craziest situation we can find and see what happens'.
It is amazing where you find stock Subaru's! The poor kid that works at the grocery store can't afford all the expensive stuff we obsess over and just tops off the gas tank and goes down the trail to where the rest of us are!
That's because farmers don't want to spend a single dime on anything ;)
16:14: "Take the vehicle you have, go out into the woods, and camp!" This comment nailed it! Too many people confuse glamping with camping. I prefer minimal stuff to pack (and re-pack when leaving), and most 4x4 vehicles nowadays are waaay more capable than n00bies give them credit for, so they spend unnecessarily on stuff that they don't really need.
That being said, for me, a winch was a MUST because I wheel solo almost 100% of the time, and it's more for self-recovery than it is for pulling out others.
Thank you!! That line probably sums the entire video. These trucks can get through way more than people are giving them credit for. And totally agree with the winch for solo travelers.
Thank you for watching!
A winch is a necessity even for an every day driver. I’ve used my winch to help folks get unstuck more than I’ve ever used it for my off roading.
As a child, I got stuck with my dad and brother in the mountains and I thought we were going to die out there (and I’d never see my mom again-I was maybe 5). A few minutes later a Toyota Landcruiser showed up with a winch and pulled us out. I’ve always wanted a winch on my off-road vehicle since then.
I like this video, it seriously reduces newbies barriers to entry. I have been doing this type of adventuring in stock rigs for over 3 decades. Currently I drive a stock 2004 Ram 2500 4x4 with 285/75/17 Goodyear Wrangler tires. Most gravel roads are designed for loaded 80K pound log trucks, have snacks, plenty of water, an axe and shovel and use a whole bunch of sense and not drive into what you cannot drive out of.
I work with a guy who has gone into the deep end, he's got all sorts of axes, shovels, lights, winches.. whatever hanging off his Tundra.. A few months back we had a get together at some local sand dunes and a friend got stuck.. We asked dude if we could use the shovel on his rig and he said "No man, I lost the key to that like 6 months ago".. lol.. totally useless gear, we goof on him all the time for that
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😂 that’s hilarious
my 4runner looks extremely geared up (some bystanders think it's awesome, and others I'm sure are shaking their heads at me)
but I go through the truck about 3 times a year, tear EVERYTHING out, and go item-by-item to decide over and over that "yes, I want to keep bringing this item, all the weight cost and bulk are still worth it to me" and then I reload/re-install everything I have positively decided that I still want.
I'm rarely able to get rid of even just 5% of the stuff each cycle, because everything in the truck either gets used regularly (daily, weekly, or seasonally)
or has already saved me once in an emergency situation and I won't leave home without it
or has given me peace of mind more than once to continue my adventure, even without ever being used yet (like my gas can and a couple of the more exotic recovery tools - ironically, the gas can was my first "overlanding gear" purchase when I got the truck and it's basically the ONLY item that's never actually been needed - except for peace of mind on many occasions)
my traction boards are used regularly and have the scuff marks to prove it :) my original max-traxx have been indestructible and I'm glad I followed a "buy once, cry once" approach for most of this stuff. Another idea that's mocked a lot lately in "overlanding" - expensive premium gear - "you could buy 10 lightbars for the price of that 1 lightbar" - yeah, but I don't want 10 cycles of a cheap lightbar breaking randomly at night in the woods and needing repurchased, shipped, removed and replaced after I straggle back down the trail with my broken tools - often with my family in the car with me, depending on me and the gear to get us home safely. I want a single, highly-reputable and probably therefore expensive, buy-once cry-once and DONE with the problem/solution, so I don't worry too much about it failing on me when I need it in the middle of nowhere
not sure what my point is, just that sometimes I feel a little defensive these days because I have a shitton of not-cheap gear on/in my truck and the public opinion worm has turned on the "overlanding" fad but I DO constantly use the gear and constantly try to streamline and reduce it for my purposes.
Definitely sometimes I feel like random bystanders judge me as a blind consumer, but they've never come out with me on a weeklong backcountry camping trip at 10k elevation where you might see 2 other human beings all week if it's a busy season, so what do they know :)
I will say that as a dad, camper, amateur chef, and roadtripper, that once you put a fucking fridge in your car, you will never, ever want to go back
probably my single greatest game-changer upgrade besides tires
Yeah you’ve dropped the college fund into a rig.
Weeklong back country trip that is still accessible by forest road that any stock awd car could make. Overlanders huffing nothing but cope to justify the absolute shit ton of money they blow for no reason
I like that these guys are advocating for just getting out there with what you have. Maybe they just got caught up in the hype and just bought a bunch of shit without thinking.
But I think that people should also be careful about going out there with "whatever you have" because you could get yourself into some trouble. If it's a well trafficked trail then maybe it's okay but I would hate for people to get themselves stuck out there. I got started in overlanding with a stock 4runner and a year later I took it through some water that was too deep and destroyed the whole car. Maybe I was stupid but, why did I do it? I was just doing what everyone else was doing out there with their lifted rigs and snorkels. I was fortunate that there were lots of people nearby to pull me out but there absolutely are limitations to what a stock 4x4 vehicle can do.
You’re 100% right. When I was a teenager we did a lot of these things without even 4x4. Sometimes the journey isn’t where you want to go but where you end up.
“Overlanding” has always made me giggle. It’s EFFING car camping.
Amusing to see people driving around with traction boards, high lift jacks, armor and lights galore…pristine paint and clearly never have seen more dirt than a muddy parking lot.
But then it is merica and cars are identity here so much is about the “look”.
You know. There was an amazing invention called a car wash. Oh and compound/polish.
Yes and no. Overlanding is actual long distance travel. In the US, the term had been taken to describe car camping.
🤣 for real!! It gets us too.
And it really is so much the look. Don't get me wrong, some of these trucks look incredible!! But you can tell who just wants to show off
@@ferretapocalypse ya don’t say lol.
Let’s be real….you can tell the trucks that are used and those for show.
All the compound and polish does not hide the scars of wear and tear on equipment used well in actual adventures.
Overlanding, which is a long-distance traveling off-grid, is not off-roading (technical rigs), nor car camping. The word is misused.
Overlanding helped marketers and businesses to define their products. It inspired folks with a new activity to spend time outdoors and in the garage building that rig.
Who are we to crtitisise the ones who have buying power to treat themselves, whether they use it or not? It is not our problem. Heck, they drive🎉 the economy 🎉😂
We don't go around complaining who buys a pair of shoes for a dollar or thousands for fashion. It is their right.
Overlanding helped couch potatoes surfing 🏄♀️ to get up and be more outdoors. You don't know how it affected each person 😂
I love truck camping, camping in a swag, and overlanding (crossing Europe, for instance). I have never been on an expedition. Some folks call overlanding expedition as well.
Great video, guys. Calling it a scam is for views... people will watch, I get that.
Same folks putting themselves in danger in nature. Inform yourself when you go to a new environment.
Just seeing Urban species for 3 days on a beach needing health care because of their stupidity is astounding.
There is enough information out there.
First-hand decide what you want to do, what works for you.
Camping is about your experience in nature. It is not about the gear. Though gear takes you there. It is meant to shelter, protect, nurse, and feed you.
I love gear. I go into depth about everything. 🎉😂❤ though muy truck camping gear is EDC, high-quality buy once, design and technical gear, along with the most simple and bare products. What i need for that time. Some personal ones like my grandpa's army metal double lunch box from the 40s. Functional products for my application. Get creative. Build yourself as well. My truck bed is very modular. From no build to rigged up. To serve me and my application.
Enjoy your time outdoors, guys 🎉
Very true. Been off-roading for years. 70% of the gear we buy we never really need. But always fun to buy! 😉😉
SO fun! 🤣
I think the hardest part is the downtime between trips. I'm itching to go and it makes me so susceptible to buying something to feel like I'm engaging with the hobby!
@@Automobros Yep I feel the same. Currently downgrading from a fridge to a cooler
You don’t need anything till you’re in a situation where you need certain things like recovery equipment is something you shouldn’t skimp out on , electric $1200 fridges and solar panels it’s completely overkill imo. A Rooftop tent is also overkill, just me though idk
We’re running a Jeep wrangler now (just 3 weeks old), but I began all of this years ago with a Mitsubishi Evo with a rally suspension kit. I took that thing to places where most people with bigger appropriate looking rigs would stop and say “How the f did you get here with that?” Being limited with the vehicle forced me to figure out the best lines and how to do stuff through major trial and error. Tons of getting out of the car to move stuff. Cigarette lighter powered tire pump, some wood “recovery boards” we ripped out of a trashed grand piano, an insulated bag for food and drinks and a generic tent and collapsible shovel is all we had. Put 120k miles on that before trading it in.
Driving out of rocky back country roads 5-10 miles in on just a donut spare tire was always fun.
I’m 70 and was caught up in the 4 wheeling craze in the early 70’s. Didn’t know a thing about it even though I’d driven trucks my whole life. Went out and put some BFG’s on( yes they were around even back then) a set of white spoke wheelies and just let it rip. Got stuck a few times but for the most part would just mash the pedel😅. Have an FJ now and even though it’s more capable than my 73 blazer was, I’ve never tried things with it that the blazer couldn’t tackle. Granted I don’t live in rock crawling territory, just mud, snow and tight trails. By the way, I thought the look of both was outstanding.
Nice vid guys.
PS: as close as I get to overlanding now is an air mattress in the back of the FJ usually at a rest stop!
Thank you so much! I can't imagine what the original 4 wheeling craze was like, that must've been a real party!!
And that's awesome that you'll still sleep in the back of the FJ! We hope we're doing the same thing down the road! 😁
@@Automobrosthe 70’s were great for off roading. I don’t mud now (I’m 65) but I still camp. I learned to camp with very little in a 21 year military career.
@@Automobros Four wheeling really took off after WWII when the GI's came back from war zones with Willy's Jeep exposure and you could buy surplus Jeeps for a $100 or so. They had a payload capacity of 600 lbs.! So, no, you didn't bring much more with you than a friend, some ingenuity and food and beer. The water might come from the creek!
I got into it in the 70s also, I find it hard to believe the true 4 wheel drives available back then were less capable than a FJ. My first vehicle was a 1972 Bronco and there are very few vehicles on the market as capable as it was in off road situations. That 302, the factory dual gas tanks, replacement bumpers, factory roof rack (a real iron one, not just load rails), manual transmission, locking diffs/hubs which made it a true four wheel drive could not be beat by anything on the market today. Very few vehicles made today that even have true 4 wheel drive, even as an expensive option. Never did a Blazer so I can not speak to them, Broncos were the off road SUV choice where I lived, Chevys were for street cars.
@@LiterallyOverTheHillAdventures exactly👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Agree fully about winches with one caveat - if you are solo, its great insurance. Sometimes the mud looks worse than it is and you make a woopsie.... BUT the big bumpers with permanantly mounted winches is the real issue and cost. My solution? Winch plate that can be put into a trailer hitch. Mount a cheap winch to the plate, sitck it in the vehicle only when you think you might need it (not driving to work) and its there if you need - added bonus you can stick it on the back (or front if you have a front reciever) OR another vehicle in your caravan. Way more versatile than a permanent winch.
Completely agree with you! Solo changes the math considerably. Love the winch plate idea!
Solo you need a winch of some sort. Spent first 25 years of my life Offroad with my dad and we always had a “come a long” and a bunch of straps. Now I have a real winch and have had to use it several times.
Overlanding is for Australia, you are in America we drive off-road and do dispersed camping. Don't put a heavy tent on top of your vehicle, it will be top-heavy and washboard roads will destroy the mount.
A very important distinction that seems to be lost to the community!
@@Automobros Overlanding is more a European and African term. In Australia we call it "Touring".
You are correct in that depending on the tracks you drive you may not need nearly as much of the stuff that is pushed by companies. We are also susceptible to overloading our vehicles on many occasions when they don't need it.
As for winches. I started 4 wheeling in South Australia which has country very similar to what you are driving in this video (Flinders Ranges) and as long as you were with another car you didn't need a winch. After moving to the state of Victoria which has the 'High Country' which is much steeper and muddier, I found that I needed the winch even when in groups as the tracks are very steep and can be very slippery. I guess I am saying that people should build their cars for their situation and needs and not get carried away by the hype.
I drive on paved roads far more than I’d like, so I’ve made peace with being a car-camping “softroader’’ who is grateful any time I’m able to get out in the dirt.
The best quote ever. Don't add stress to a non-stress situation.😊
Yes, so many times I see folks coming back from a weekend adventure exhausted. It seems like they missed the point. lol
This is probably one of the most reasonable, responsible, and logical videos I've seen on this subject. I see these channels, running a 65K$ right, a 12,000.00$ rooftop camper, another 80K in accessories, and I'm asking myself who has this kind of money. I'm thinking of getting a 2st gen 4runner this winter and doing a nice budget build for some weekend fun. Your tips and advice will help guide me in making some cost saving and smart decisions. Thanks guys.
You guys are awesome! Just getting into overlanding and loved to hear your message. Got out last weekend and went to places I never thought I could do....in my stock rig. Definitely rethinking my "must have" items and sticking to the basics!
Thank you so much man!!! And welcome to the lifestyle! What are you driving?
And seriously kudos to you for getting out there with your stock vehicle and seeing what it can do! When it comes time for the bigger purchases, you'll know exactly what you want and why, and then you'll definitely get the most bang for your buck!
I spend most of my time in the woods. My recommendations:
1 Skill
2 Tires
3 4x4
4 Spare tire
5 Tow rope (emergency)
Always have plenty of drinking water, snacks, tp, know where you are, and pay attention to where the spots for cell service are.
Everything else is fine but what I mention is what you cannot go without and is what you will get the most out of.
This is a fantastic list, and we'd put everything in the same order too! Thanks so much for checking us out 🙏
I agree, I have the basics I need without breaking the bank.
I bought a stock 2024 zr2 Colorado and Chevy has it setup perfectly for what I need.
I’m not tearing the truck up , just being out and about, is fine for me.
I just need to stay, dry and somewhat not starving. Basic sleeping bags will keep you warm in the most extreme temperatures.
Exactly! That's a perfect way to approach this activity 😁 Congratulations on the ZR2 btw, such a capable vehicle right out of the box!
I love the new zr2. Looks so good!!
I don't think it can be stated enough and you guys nailed it. doesn't matter the vehicle or the venue (off roading, over landing. auto cross, drag race, road course) having a basic understanding of what you and your vehicle are capable of are key. my lady wanted to get into light off roading but likes small vehicles so she got a trail hawk renegade. did 1 power line road and said we need all terrains. since then that little baby of a jeep has only continued to impress us and with her level of comfort frankly out performs what she is willing to do.
To anyone who wants to start “overlanding”- take what you already have, find public land with dirt roads and dispersed camping, and go. You’ll figure out how hard you want to go and what you need as you do it. Noone else can tell you bc what we all do is different. I will say that if you do a lot by yourself, and if you go harder, then you should bring more “just-in-case” stuff. And never apologize for having it and not using it- remember that is the hope for that stuff. Bc that one time you’ll need it, it will be indispensable.
The only way to know is to go!
'What we all do is different', sums it up. Remoteness, terrain, type of roads (or lack of), season, experience, ability and budget all play a role in equipment.
First, who I am. I'm 76 years old and have been off roading for over 50 years. [maybe since before you were born] Over the years I've owned most every commonly available 4X4 you can think of. All of them were good. Some were better, in certain situations, than others. In years past, I've done my share of 'extreme' wheeling. These days, I'd probably be considered an 'overlander'. My vehicle now is a 2018 4Runner Off Road Premium and I love it. It's my daily driver but also my exploring / camping vehicle. I had a 3 1/2 inch lift installed to try and keep it up farther from trail obstacles. Also, in the interest of not denting it, I installed a set of rock sliders. I had a steel front bumper installed which houses the 12,000 pound winch that came off my last Jeep before I sold it. I agree that winch usage is very infrequent. Then again, in a situation where it's used it's great to have. I had an aluminum 3/4 roof rack installed which does come in handy for carrying bigger items on rather than inside. In the future I'm going to have a steel rear bumper installed so I don't have to worry, so much, about dropping off of rocks or ledges and breaking any of that plastic stuff that sticks out on the rear. The new bumper will also have a tire carrier so I can get the spare tire out from under the truck. I really dislike carrying the spare under the vehicle. It's hard to retrieve when needed and is always filthy when you have to handle it. I also installed a front camera as I can't see the trail because the hood blocks the view. For tires I'm running KO2 265/70R17s. I don't feel you get much real, off road advantage with 1 or 2 inch bigger tires. I think I would see some real world gains in going to a 4 or 5 inch taller tire. But all of the baggage and expense that comes with that is not worth it for me and my usage model. Anyway, that's my take on the discussion. I'm meeting my brother, in a few weeks, out in the middle of nowhere Nevada to do some abandoned mine and mine camp exploring. I feel your video was a good, common sense look at 'overlanding' and I enjoyed watching it. Thanks.
Thank you so much for this response! 50 years!!! You definitely have a head start on us, so we will be deferring to your experience 😁 Your 4Runner sounds like a beast, and all of your mods purposeful. And you are really out there using it! A mine exploration trip sounds incredible, and I want to add that to the top of our list now.
We really appreciate you sharing your insight down here in the comments. This is invaluable to everyone trying to learn. Thanks so much for watching!
Thank you for a frank and refreshingly different take on equipping your truck for the 95% of us that don't feel like we have to break something everytime we go out to have fun. I own a Power Wagon and have yet to be in a situation where I needed to use my winch. Having said that I'm glad I have it for the eventuality of having to pull someone else out but with lockers front and rear it's unlikely I'll ever need it for myself.
Thank you so much! That is all we were trying to say 😊
The cool part of front and rear lockers is that they can get you farther from the road before you get stuck. And when your stuck you are really stuck😅
I was also getting caught up in the overlanding hype. It sounded cool. But after considering the cost and the amount of off-roading I will actually do, I decided to re-think the whole idea. My real need is mostly for hunting, fishing, kayaking and camping. Not overlanding. So, for my 2nd gen Tacoma SR5 4x4 the only upgrades I did was replace the factory shocks and upgrade to a good A/T tire. I'm riding on stock springs, no lift. Granted, I'm not a hard off roader but my stock Tacoma has been more than adequate for my needs. Thanks for the video!
Love this so much! There is a real freedom in understanding what you actually want to use your truck for, and then being purposeful about modifying it to that end. Then you get to get out there and have fun with the money in your pocket! And hey, if you decide you want to add more down the road, there will always be someone ready to sell it to you!
Thank you so much for giving us a chance! 🙏🙏
Well, you are not wrong for you. The #1 thought about this particular topic is, beginners to experienced have a whole different level of understanding and ideas of what they want to do when they leave the pavement. With the internet, videos like this amongst countless other sources of information, can get an interested person a positive start going off pavement. Saving them grief that others have learned the hard way. There is a lot to be said about being overly prepared than under prepared tho. Your plan is to go some place over night and sleep and come back the next day. Simple enough plan. But a lot can happen off pavement. The further off grid you go, the more unplanned things can take place. I have had simple blocked time plans go wrong. As in, only going to be gone 2-4 hours. Blow a tire up a mountain and next thing you know, I have a 5-6 hour outing. Which easily could turn into an over nighter if I was not experienced and prepared for such things. The experienced, don't really need insight. But the novice, here are the bare essentials.(IMO) Your vehicle operating at it's best. The terrain you want to go too, do research ahead of time about it. Get to know whether your vehicle is capable of tackling it. IF you are not venturing out with a 2nd vehicle or more on your trip, always let someone know where you are going to be ahead of time and when you expect to be back.(good plan regardless of the convoy size)Double check your tires. Your spare included. Bring fix a flat. (make sure you have your jack and what not)Bring a 1st aid kit. Bring spare clothes.(does not take a suitcase or more to have something with you)Bring plenty of water for you, your passengers(pets too if you have them)and your vehicle. Food like power bars that can give you at least a days supply in case you are on the trail longer than anticipated.(don't forget your shovel and TP lol) Oil.(does not take a lot of room for 1 qt)Duct tape. Electrical tape. Coat hanger for bending and holding metal that might get dislodged. Flash lights. Basic tools such as pliers, screw drivers a knife. (hammer is optional lol) As they said here, gas is optional depending on a variety of factors. My list is more extensive for myself. But I have had a lot less than what I listed here and was in a predicament that lasted several hours longer than planned and it was not a comfortable feeling. Oh, and communications: hand held CB radio(bring batteries) or the kind you can plug into the vehicle.(don't forget the antenna)Not perfectly ideal, but better than nothing. Your cell phones may or may not get a signal and depending on the time of year and your health, you may not be able to walk to a spot you can get a signal. A satellite phone would be great. But even they can have dead spots requiring you to do a bit of creative searching for a signal. I know this was a lot, but if you have never done any research into this topic, now you have a tiny bit of insight of how to be a tiny bit better off when exploring away from the pavement. P.S. It would not hurt to be aware of wild life that could be a hazard to you or your group in the areas you plan on traveling in.
We seriously could not be more grateful for you taking the time to write all of this out 🙏 Absolutely PERFECT advice for people getting started. These are the true essentials, every item on this list more paramount than a winch or a lift kit for the everyman camper.
Thank you so so so much for watching and gifting your insight, we're pinning this comment in the hope that it reaches as many people as possible!!!
@@Automobros thank you for using paragraphs
@@Automobrosyou actually read all of that? 😂
From South Africa winch, same cenario had 8000lb for years used once, new vehicle 2T winch for aelf assist eg moving a dead truck out of danger... big difference between a recovery winch and a self assist.
Solid advice!
I’ve been car camping ( over landing )since the mid 60s started in a 66 Land Cruiser my wife me and our dog . We would normally go for two weeks at a time , tent , tarp , foot locker with stove and cookware and miscellaneous stuff .Screen room , folding camp chairs, sleeping bags and foam mattress. Two 6 gallon jugs of water . Coleman cooler , food . Spare 5 gallon fuel can . We are now both 74 and have never stopped car camping. Difference is we now have a Sequoia more room more stuff :-)
We have gone back to a 1969 land cruiser.
@@drewschumann1 would love to find one , have fun :-)
My brothers and I did a lot of this kind of camping using 2 wheel drive pickups with camper shells. We got good at getting trucks unstuck from sand and mud.
Wish everyone saw this - we came to over-landing from back-packing, so carrying ONLY what absolutely need comes natural - but most people don't realize this till they've bought much more then they need
Most of my adventuring has been done cycle touring, so I find it highly amusing when I read of people struggling to keep their overland vehicles under the rated maximum vehicle weight! A toolkit, some well chosen spare parts, recovery equipment and a well packed backpack sized bag per person is all you need
Idk man, I was backpacking before I got into overlanding and while I agree that there's a lot you don't "need". One of the draws of overlanding was the ability to bring some luxuries to places that that I wouldn't be able to bring while backpacking. One example is that I can bring MUCH better food overlanding than the freeze dried stuff I have to bring for some backpacking trips.
In Australia, there's a saying, "ATGANI". It stands for, All The Gear And No Idea. 😆😆😆
I've spent a few weeks in the outback- ATGANI is a much worse problem in the US
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Rhymes better in Australian. 😅
Finally, someone said it! Ive been saying that the marketing machine has ruined the activity and unfortunately the current affordable truck market was the first casualty. I remember when I was a scout, I was heavy into "scout" and brand named equipment bandwagon, while my dad would just show up in shorts, black socks, a dented canteen and a buck knife and accomplished everything.
This was the most common sense and entertaining video. You guys are awesome.
You're awesome!! We really appreciate it! 🙏🙏
I am lucky enough to do thousands of km 'overlanding' across Northern Australia every year for work and recreation. I finally realised that you don't need all the mods and expense to enjoy the experience. There are some things that are very useful: bullbar, tow bar, schnorkel, dual battery if you run a vehicle fridge, max trax, a good first aid kit, some kind of remote communication (ie sat phone, star link), water, long range fuel tank (more useful in Australia, long distances between fuel stops), compressor, two spares or one spare and a tire repair kit. Good tool kit and some spares are essential. The camping gear should be simple, gear storage can be simple. Not sure where the term 'overlanding' came from, but it wasn't common in Australia until recently. First I heard it was by a South African travelling the Australian outback in a modified Troop Carrier. We used to call it 'going bush'.
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Great video....Awesome you guys! Thank you...Just get what you need for what adventure that you decide to go on. True overlanding companies do take advantage of the market that's hot. It's all about making the adventure that you want. Regardless of whatever you veiw it as or what your decision is to upgrade your vehicle or whatever your adventure you go on, will determine what you actually need. I am happy that we have choices and im glad that overlanding companies and 4x4 industries make , engineer gear for us. Truly appreciate it because everyone is a different person and we are going to buy what fits us in our journey and adventure. So there is nothing wrong going all the way out fitting your 4x4 to whatever you want and there's nothing wrong with being less out fitted. It's your choice and it needs to be respected! Its all about the adventure and who cares what someone else thinks. It's just an their opinion, their chioce. No BIG DEAL , just have fun. Great video you guys.😊
This could not be better said! In a lot of ways we live in the golden era of this hobby, there are so many accessible options for almost style of getting yourself and your vehicle into the great outdoors. We are super lucky to have all of these choices in front of us! And having fun is the most important part, it is the reason we're all here in the first place 😁 Just build your setup for you and the adventures you want to go on! Thank you so much for watching and for the kind words! 🙏
I was going to buy a GFC camper tent. About $10,000 and it would be attached to my truck whether I needed it or not. But then I went with a $150 tent and weird thing is tents work just fine.
Hahahahaha so weird, right?! And 150 can get you a surprisingly nice tent for a being such a peasant 😂
Please don't buy (finance?!) a GFC. You can buy a lot of ground tents and gas for $10K! And you can also leave your tent behind while you do some exploring around the area without having to pack everything up. Brilliant!
Wow. $10k to sleep seems crazy. Wife and I bought a travel trailer for $13k right before COIVD. What we found out is that trailer camping kind of sucks. Everyone seems to bring the whole house with them, including projectors or TVs. No thanks. We sold the trailer.
Now we use our 4Runner and a Luno mattress. $300. lol
If I may add… one of the best pieces of gear you could have is an air compressor for airing back up once off the trail. Your nearest gas station may not have a pump and if they do you’re lucky if it works right lol.
Great tip!
What a joke i have been. I hauled around a high lift jack a dozen years an never used it. Dead weight. I prefered to use the bottle jack and blocks. Also, my lowly hand winch fence stetcher got me unstuck a time or two. The burned out forested roads i travel, a small chain saw is essential. -Jesse, in Idaho
Man I've had that jack on my Amazon list for 5 years now. I still try to convince myself that I need it, but deep down I think I know I just want to bolt it to my truck to show off lol
Thanks so much for giving our vid a chance Jesse!!
This is so cool! These people actually do what overlanding is about, to be out there and be free spirited and just have an adventure, rather than most people just pretend tone someone who is not, I hate people take selfies all the time, is like they are out but not mentally present and still thinking back home and wanting to take photos to show people where they have been, instead just be out there
There's always gonna be people who just wanna look the part but fart from it. Like, I'm from Hawaii and people here love trucks but 98% of the people who own trucks don't use it for its purpose. Their trucks are precious, shiny with not a speck of dirt on it. The people who drive it are far from what a truck is intended for. Cars have become like clothes. It is about what looks "cool"
@@Uilani-g4m so true! People cant just be themselves and enjoying life, but sorry too much about what people think of them, so it becomes an image issue
I like anti-overlanding: off-road car camping with nothing mounted on the outside of the vehicle
I like this video guys, it’s a truth you don’t need all the gear you think you need. I did my first overland trip in my stock Subaru outback with just a roof top tent, a fridge, a stove & minimal gear. Since then I’ve added a spacer lift and a set of AT tyres, a bed platform and a draw but nothing much else and it’s good to go pretty much anywhere. Fortunately in the last 3 years I’ve not really bought too much gear I don’t want or use. I might have a bit of a stove addiction though 😂
90+% of the places “overlanders” go could be done with any stock 4x4 vehicles!
If you are hardcore then an expensive purpose built rig is for you!
This video is great, you aren't bashing people that have spent a ton of money already. You explain why you didn't need it.
Thank you so much!! This was exactly what we were hoping to get across.
What you need is a knife with a can opener and bottle opener; it would be nice to carry a BIC lighter! Also don't forget...boots, gloves, recovery gear, and a sense of humor!
All true essentials!
I like a video like this! I don’t have much, if any, extra money for all the goodies. I enjoy watching overlanding videos, but find myself always saying “I wonder how much that rig costs?” And then I can’t believe how they run their 100k plus tricked out EOTW survival rig through every vehicle busting obstacle they can find, when there’s a bypass going around it. I get the needing clicks, but they’re influencing low experience people to go out and tear stuff up when they don’t have to. I appreciate you guys!
We're so glad you liked it! We are looking at the same videos and feeling the same way. It just feels like too much sometimes.
We appreciate you so much, thanks for watching and subscribing! 🙏🙏
For me personally, I enjoy building the truck - It's fun and my truck turns people's heads. As I've built mine, I find myself upgrading what I use, and then in some trips when I get stuck or almost stuck, I set funds aside for upgrades that would help me get out of that situation. I rarely do upgrades just for looks, and I don't post anything about my truck to social media. The side benefit is eventually I will have what people think is an "overland rig", and I am ok with that.
This is the best man! I think that's the perfect way to approach this stuff, and there's nothing better than building it for you. Every mod is a response to a challenge you gave yourself, which is just too cool 😁
I have six gas cans sitting in my shed, accumulated over my 30 years of driving. They were all purchased at gas stations after a long walk from my vehicle. Sometimes I misjudged my range, but I've also had gauge failures on five different vehicles, believe it or not. I didn't have a reasonable way to carry a gas can around with me all the time back then, I do now. Spare fuel is the same as a spare tire IMO. I've also used that spare fuel to help out my fellow man.
You don’t need it until you need it. I have used my winch twice, max tracks once, gas cans probably three times and 33” MT tires are a most for my wheeling. But with out them i probably have been in big trouble those few times that I used them.
Very true! The further you go out, and the more challenging the terrain, the more necessary and useful these tools become. And there are people who are actually going to push themselves and their vehicle (like yourself!), where this equipment becomes an actual investment instead of a statement piece.
I think a lot of people get lost in the valley between car camping and legit off-roading, and waste a lot of money in the process.
Hear! Hear! After a decade of off-roading via the US Army I now go out on a hearty 4x4 excursion 2 or three times per year. I embarrassed to admit I smirk to myself when I encounter a train of maxxed out Jeeps struggling with the trail I just came through. In my 99% stock LX470 (aka Land Cruiser). The only “mod” is that I put the biggest BFG AT K2s that would fit under the stock ACH suspension (~32”). I bring a fold up shovel (which I’ve never used).
Just go and have fun!
The best mod is to ditch all the unnecessary weight of stuff you don't need, like heavy-duty this and that, jacks and spare wheels. Too much weight greatly increases your chances of needing a spare wheel to begin with! Learn how to take care of the tires you have and how to repair the most common punctures without removing the wheel from the rig.
You two come across as good dudes! Nice work on the video!
Thanks guys, informative & beneficial. I've had two Rubicons, and now one. We head to the Maze in the Spring and Needles (Canyonlands) in the fall. When we go to the Doll House area, we HAVE to have extra gas. We carry 4 gallon rotopax tanks that sit on a carrier outside the back tire. We also carry a Trasharoo that we put our 'final' garbage and recycle into. We carry soft shackles & use them more often than hard shackles & now carry a 20 ft. rope that has slight stretch for 'jerks' and hard pulls. We were in the Needles two weeks ago, the larger mud tires and lift make it a safer and more efficient ride on the difficult rock climbing. Highway travel is not the best, but these units are built for the backcountry. Different than you, we have used the winch at times, and used circular synch blocks to double the pull. We also take a mid size hard plastic container with lid, that we put our garbage bag in during the day and night, the mice can't get to it - they will get into the auto area and even engine seeking out food.
See, you know what you're doing and what you need! A trip like that sounds absolutely epic, and I would love to do something like that one day 😁
Thanks so much for the kind words!
@@Automobros Memories fail. Ropes, I've tried Yankum kinetic ropes, they are heavy and beefy - they functionally work well, but don't pack down tight. I use is Voodoo 20 ft. kinetic rope (lighter and packs easier) just as strong and functional. I have soft shackles from 3 sources, but like the voodoo brand that work well in my view; they can wear out. Two years ago we were atop Elephant Hill in Needles Canyonlands, (ready to drop and start the difficult route to Devils Kitchen). Three vehicles and riders from Virginia, with stock SUV's and small trucks; they couldn't get up the last steep pitch. We drove down, put our nose to the hill, tied the 20 ft. line with soft shackles (& one hard shackle) on both vehicles and pulled one up (backing up) and then pulled up another. Soft shackles only work functionally with rounded corners (off a front or rear steel bumper); if there is no rounded corner a hard shackle is needed. Newer bumpers have rounded corners. If hard shackes are left on vehicles over long periods and they accumulate sand, dust, dirt, mud and water, they can bind up & be very difficult to loosen.
For 3 years I did that, but no more, hard shackels are carried in a 'bag' along with soft shackles and a small rounded sych block (for 2-1 pulls). If soft shackles can be attached safely, they are used, if not, then hard shackles are temporarily put on, but only if secure (if they come loose they can damage vehicles & kill humans.) You both have a good attitude & style, pleasant, courteous. I had a professional life but also the outdoors for decades - mountaineering, canyoneering, backcountry skiing. Our vehicle travel into the outdoors allows us to get to spots to hike, scramble and explore, often finding archaic indigenous rock art and structures; & get exposed to much beauty & wonder.
I don't know where you guys are from, or where you hang out?
Back in the 90s, i "overlanded" in a Chevy Cavalier sedan.
Yup-in Alaska
It is good to see that you are letting people know the truth about the latest craze (the term, “Overlanding”). Note; 4 Wheeling, Rock Crawling, Car Camping, Expeditions Adventures all have similarities, Overlanding is still a separate beast of it’s self!
My background is more extensive them most peoples. I also made a living through the 4 wheeling community as well. I have traveled by motorcycle with my camping gear starting in 1965. A short break in time in Vietnam then getting back in with Motorcycles in 1971 and adding Jeeps. After learning from more experienced people for about 12 years, I was asked to teach some new people about 4-wheeling. This became a full time career, I then started putting together Expeditions and overlanding adventures in North and Central America.
I traveled around and at the early days it was motorcycle or car camping. The expedition was a totally different but had many similar traits. The expeditions were more specific with certain goals as a group. Overlanding more of traveling with a vehicle and being self contained. This can be by yourself or with others.
I have worked shows with my sponsors and been given many products over the years to test for companies. Many have been OK to use. I only have a short list of the must haves to go overlanding. What I have found is; There are many items to make oneself more comfortable, but not necessary a must have for overlanding.
I have not watched your other “You Tube” videos but this is a nice start.
The one thing that a person can get and it transfers between all vehicles. Is good training by a certified instructor/educator. When you know how to drive and to know when to say when is enough, you can save $20,000.oo to $100,000.oo. for a vehicle and even your life.
At 65 years of age I was told to retire and I closed my Driving school and Guide Service. That was almost 13 years ago but I am still doing the overlanding and down to three 4X4's.
I mean, you _had_ perfectly good Foresters (1:13 seemingly SF & SG w/ manual transition and probably even low gear) to build up on. All they typically need is a bit of a decent lift, good shock absorbers and, like, a set of General AT3 tyres not wider than 215. Keeping them rust free and servicing them regularily with proper fluids keeps them alive and is OK on the wallet.
Yes, only they were automatics!!! The XT would probably still be with us if it was the 5 speed. The Xterra behind them was a stick, and man do I miss it
Great points! It's easy to get caught up in the hype when it comes to offroad gear. My current truck I had all of these plans for a bed rack, decked drawer system, and rooftop tent. After a few trips without all of that I have completely changed gears to a softopper and camping in the bed of the truck on a cot. Saved thousands and still retained some extra functionality in my truck. The best advice is just get out there and do it. Start slow if you're new but experience really is the best teacher.
Americans have taken the car camping to a whole different level. Lots of people overbuilt and over spend money just to drive Forrest roads and go to national parks which many of them have established campgrounds with facilities. You are never to far from the civilization like our Australian counterparts who ventures in the outback for weeks or many days before they encounter another town
Yes exactly this!!! I think so many of us in the States are building for a 2 week trek in the Outback, which you would have to work pretty hard to build an excursion like that here. We are just overconsuming like crazy in this community (the American way lol)
@@AutomobrosAnd so what? People build out their cars to go obscene speeds that they're never going to achieve because you can't drive that fast on the road. Again, this is people's hobby. Part of the overlanding gig is looking the part. People like that. And there's nothing wrong with that. No one wants to go overlanding in a Dodge caravan, but you can.
the australians go fucking crazy with 4wheeling.
@@mrpink3630aussies are fucking just insane in general
@@spec24you got me laughing at the Dodge Caravan line.😂😂😂
Thank You. I've been silly enough to answer "what do I do" questions from people who already did it .... and tell them all 4X4s will already go 90% of the places the off road crowd go, and to save the money for gas. After buying a full recovery kit, I discovered the group I rode with treated me as their token Old Guy and so wouldn't let me do anything for myself so now all I carry is a tree strap, short strap and shovel, they and the winch will be enough. .... Now back to you. Suggest, along with OnX, people consider the mobile version of Starlink, because there is no place it won't work, and you can watch Matt's Off Road Recovery as you wait for the help you called with Starlink.
I always wonder about the fuel cans, Rotopax type. They are usually only 1 or 2 gallons. My TRD Pro gets 16 mpg, so that amount of fuel isn't going to get me very far.
Yes!!! They look so good, but both filled up would give me maybe 50 miles, under perfect conditions. In an crazy emergency, I'm sure I'd be happy to have it, but in the states it's just so easy to plan around filling up at the last gas station before you head into the mountains and when you come out
@@Automobrosexcept when you realize you only have 20 mi to go and you run out of gas
@Automobros biggest reason I'd want to carry fuel in my wrangler is because I'm custom tuned and 91 octane so I always feared not having premium fuel along the way but out of many many trips I've never had issues where I couldn't find 91 or 93 octane.
You only need extra fuel for extended outings when you calculate time/distance between gas stations. I usually carry (2) 2 gal cans and up to (4) 2 gal cans.
@@Automobros get around 10 mpg in low lock.. welding on the 17 gal. cell on a swing away custom rig. with ebike rack, we shall see..
Thank you, guys, for letting us newbies know all these things. I got a 25 Honda Pilot Trsilsport for going car camping with the wife and two small dogs. Here are some of the things I have bought for the Pilot. One size up on the A/T tires, a rooftop cargo box, and an air mattress. These are the essential things I git for camping. Power station, a 12v fridge, a 750w microwave, and last but not least, an electric kettle. My power station is an Anker C1000 and can handle all the stuff I have, and it was on sale for $549.
This sounds perfect! A few nice things you will actually use, and then you get out and camp! Love it 😁
If you camp alone, recovery gear is pretty smart to have.
1000%
@@Automobros and a 357 hidden away?
From a 50+ guy who has camped all his life and started going with my dad in his Jeep to owning jeeps Toyotas, Nissans, Ford 4x4, I love how this whole "Overland" segment has been created and is pushing so much unrequired equipment. I agree 90% of the equipment is unrequired, it sells because it is cool looking but a winch is pretty useful.
You two don't know what you are talking about. It's not about what you need. It's all about making your rig look cool. Sheesh. 😉
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I mean when you're right, you're right! 😆
@@Automobros 😉
This was helpful guys, I’ve gotten myself into this trap thinking I need more than I can use practically. Just get out and have fun, save the cash for more adventures, not gear that you might never use!
Overlanding is dead, long live overlanding.
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I had a 3rd gen tacoma and had it set up for overlanding. I found out that i tend to go out by myself most of the time, or with the wife and son. I used service roads, live in midwest texas so it is generally flat, and played it safe due to not really wanting to have to deal with getting stuck and all of that.
Its a weird time when you want to get that look but suddenly you realize most of it is not needed for seeing the outdoors lol.
I have since sold the truck and finally finished engine swapping a 2001 discovery that i have that i will now use for camping/daily driving. Due to the tall nature of the vehicle, a roof top tent kind of doesnt work unless i am taking it on and of all the time. I am now starting to plan the disco build and i am skipping most of the items that social media tells me i need.
subscribed! thanks for the chill attitude!
It is a scam.
Its the markets trick to have you overload and break your truck
All you need is a shovel and a winch, You're unstoppable then.
And as for tires
285s and 295s are the best tires! they dont weigh 8000 pounds and your vehicle doesn't have to suffer
Really all the "equipment" they say you must have is literally a lie.
Like Air compressors, Buy one from walmart for 35 bucks and you can air all your tires 0 issues.
Or Buy some expensive stuff like ARB just to do the same job. But for 500 dollars and you have to hardwire it into your vehicle
Clown Stuff really
This!!! I bought a car battery powered compressor for $30 from Amazon 3 years ago and it still works great. It's not as cool or convenient as an on board one but does the same exact thing for $100s less.
@@azfersaeed1602 Yeah and your wallet is gonna thank you 👍🤣
235 or 265 may suit you even better, called pizza cutters.
@@azfersaeed1602You get more respect out on the trails with basic equipment that works (less movable parts=less weak spots); other people know you’ve been riding up and down dirt roads before Covid came around, and it was re-birthed as “overlanding” by the instagram tools.
No a cheap compressor with 30% duty cycle will
Melt before it inflates 33” tires from 15 psi
I just ran the smoky mountain 500 solo with my old 1975 Volvo C303 and I took what I needed. After the trip I went thru my stuff and reviewed what I took to see if I needed it used it or should have left it at home. Lucky i had just what I needed. I agree it’s all car camping especially in the east cost. I don’t even cook I eat locally and try different foods. Also there is always a Dollar General with in 5 miles ! Lol. I did need my winch for moving a tree and used my electric chainsaw 2 times to clear a tree in the way. So I thought they would not be needed but surprise I got to use them. Sleep in my truck on an original stretcher! For me using vintage vehicles makes it more fun and edgy as in will it make it or not ! Cheers.
Love this so much! The older vehicle for sure adds to the thrill and the cool points 😁 that sounds like a fantastic adventure!
Also I just saw you put your SM500 Trip on your channel! Your videos are great, and your truck is awesome!!! Definitely have a new subscriber here 😁
@@Automobros thanks man. I am hoping I am getting better. Got a few more things for my go pro and hopefully will get a following drone someday
First red flag to “overlanding” is the lift setup. Ruins the road stability and shortens the lifespan of the CV axles. Thought hard about lifting my Subaru and decided no because I’d be sacrificing 99% of driving for 1% chance I might off-road. Maybe I’ll get a set of Wildpeaks and possibly new wheels.
There is no sacrifice with a 2" lift on your Subaru, grow a pair and do it.
I love these videos! Stop buying into hype, just get out there and find limits. I had 33's on my 4runner for the past 2 years. Just went back to 31's today. I have no need of big tires in Wisconsin, and I don't wanna road trip cuz it's so much work for my 22re 5 speed 4runner to go down the road. 4.88 gears vs stock 4.10 is also really helpful, but 31's also allow for easier loading of cargo, less step in height (really annoying when rock sliders stick out 4"), etc. I knew since day 1 of the 33's I'd probably wanna go back.
Can't wait to get a few more parts replaced and to just go camp and explore, no stress
It is true that you probably won't need a winch if you're out there with other people. However, if you go out alone a winch is a great insurance policy.
Yes 100%!
Everything you said makes sense to me. The only thing we sometimes need where I live here in 🇨🇦 is extra ⛽️ , especially in winter since your car might be your only source of heat in case of an emergency. I'm
Yes that makes sense! Your specific location will definitely affect your list of needs
Overlanding isn’t a scam y’all are just easily influenced.
Hahaha we mean a scam *for most regular people. We think the vast majority of folks just want to go off-road camping 😅
Very good advice! I’ve been over landing since the ‘70s and I haven’t needed half the stuff available for this type of vehicle adventuring. My driving skills keep me out of trouble (so far) most of the time, so pick the most capable vehicle you can afford, modify as needed and do your own thing.
Love this, thank you!! Driving skills are the most important thing when you're out there, and the only thing you can't buy
It's mind blowing people are just now realizing this lmao. Overlanding is proof people are morons and will comply to any type of advertising.
God bless y'all. Seek help
Doesn't help that these companies are selling a really fun idea! 😆
wanted a 4X4 sprinter... till i saw. too many of them "overlanding" at the kmart parking lot.. saved $129K. thanks. got help..
Car camping by any name hasn't changed for me. Nothing extravagant. We bring exactly what we will need. I have been doing it since I got my drivers license. I took my 69 Camaro into some pretty interesting places. Wish I still had that old car. It was a fun ride.
Glad someone said it. Companies over pricing products for what’s supposed to be a free fun pastime into nature.
😂I use my un-modified 2008 and 20 17 dodge caravans on 4x4 trails with no problem for years here in AZ. Now they are no rock crawler, but the ground clearance is larger than most vehicles stock. Yea its FWD, but all the weight is in the front, and I have never had a problem getting stuck. Also having 7 passengers and a full packout is invaluable. My advice would be to take your time, and don't take any unnecessary risks. But it is always interesting to feel out of your element on trails with 100k rigs, and keeping up.
I'm confident I've put my mostly stock 96 4runner through way more than most overlanders. Mods can make things more comfortable, but cars are surprisingly reliable off road without any modifications.
Thanks for sharing; and helping me delineate Needs from Wants. Two helpful points for me are (1) don't be persuaded by Product Advertising to buy a thing, rather, assess a product for its merits, not for its hype, and (2) do what is simple and sufficient (such as your example of tow strap verses winch).
If you don’t have what urgently is needed, may God grant that you’re the only one who pays the price.
Just as a place to start, I offer a few backcountry rules of thumb. (1) What matters the most is the improbable emergency. The more improbable, the worse the consequence. (2) You are responsible for the safety of everyone in your vehicle. Be prepared. (3) Be prepared also to assist others you might come across - drinking water, food, clothing, fuel (refresh monthly), medical and trauma kits, comms, battery jump, towing, tools, transport, and so forth. (4) Take an advanced first aid class such as offered by the American Red Cross. Better yet, take an 80-hour wilderness first responder class. Build your own medical and trauma kits and refresh them at least every year.
Congrats! Excellent video...I'm a wildlife biologist and am surprised about the way camping has taken...it seems that you cannot go outdoors without a lot of things...videos like this points to the essence of the experience of been in the wild...thanks a lot...best regards from Mexico..
Thank you! That is all we wanted to say. The most important part is unplugging, getting out in nature, and exploring.
And I think this is our first comment from Mexico! 🤩
2006 Jeep Commander 5.7 engine, 3 inch lift, goes anywhere I want to go. Easy trails, no rock crawling just out in desert and mountains on dirt roads. Just wish it had a bigger fuel tank. We have had it since new. Tent, sleeping pad and bag, cooler and a way to cook. All you need for the weekend
I have been exploring trails and overlanding for 15 years, starting in an FJ Cruiser, then two 5th gen 4Runners, and now I have a new GX 550 Overtrail that is very capable stock. All but my second 4Runner were totally stock. My second 4Runner had the Magnuson supercharger (not overland related), a long range fuel tank, and a Victory Blitz front stealth bumper. I had no sliders or anything and usually slept in the back with seats folded down. I was able to get to VERY remote places too! I keep telling people their stock rig is good enough, as long as you understand the capabilities. It always was for me!😊
I am happy some TH-camrs are starting to be honest about the lack of need for all the crap accessories people buy.
Thanks!
First off, congratulations on your fantastic taste in vehicles 😁 The Overtrail looks like a work of art and we are very envious!
I think getting out and learning just how capable your stock vehicle actually is, is probably the most important step that so many people are skipping over. I think they would all be very surprised, and might end up keeping a lot of money in their wallets!
And thank you for the kind words, we're trying to do our part!
@@Automobros I appreciate your reply and insight! People need to hear this. I still see people buying new 4x4s and not trailing until they get all the unnecessary mods that some TH-camrs told them they need. Like cutting up the vehicle to squeeze in 37s, destroying ride quality and devouring fuel economy, useless ARB front lockers, thousand inch lifts lol, adjustable King/Fox shocks with reservoirs etc etc. I teach interested friends how to properly drive off road, and that a proper set of tires is about all you need. Bigger tires does not mean better lol.
Can’t stress enough how much I enjoyed this video! I absolutely espouse your entire off-roading/camping philosophy and way of doing off-roading stuff; I do exactly the same! My 2020 JGC Trailhawk v6 3.6 lit, fully armored underneath plus steel bumpers front and rear; with no other mods and still OEM “street tires” has allowed me to earn 16 Jeep Badges of Honor from Atlanta, GA, to Colorado, Utah, Arizona and most States in-between! 😮 P.S. I am getting a new set of tires though: Mickey Thompson Baja Boss A/T 265/65r18.
FYI, I spend six months of the year here in the States and the rest six in Greece off-roading in milder trails and terrain with my 2016 JGC Overland Trail Rated, V6 3.6 lit. rig! TOTALLY stock! 😊
We're so glad you enjoyed the video! And that is AWESOME!! You are really putting your vehicle through its paces and showing what it can actually do 😁 I think you'll feel unstoppable once you have the ATs on it!
And spending half the year roaming around Greece sounds like a life dreams are made of 🤩 That is just too too cool
@@Automobros Thank You. My life’s dream was accomplished in August/September of 2023, when I did the Western Loop: a month and a half of off-roading in Colorado, Utah and Arizona! Awesome experience, adventures, memories and photos…safely (for the most part).
I’ve been doing half the year in the States, half in Greece for the last twelve years…still doing it at 77 years young!
I agree. I made my truck terrible to drive. Big lift and tyres with full bar work. Removed a lot of unnecessary weight and focused on camping comfortably. Now I love going out and camping again.
Thanks so much for sharing, and we're pumped you found the love again! Was the same way for us, we didn't realize how much all the stuff was getting in the way of our enjoyment.
As a weekend camper, self rating 4, much of this is true and many items I buy are out of convenience (awning/heater). Winch because I’m solo. Heavy invest in suspension, AT stock size tires, Boards for leveling and northern winters. RotoPax mount often gets used for the water container to fully put out fires and keep drinking water separate.
Really love this, it sounds like you have put a lot of thought into your build and what you are carrying!
@ I admittedly have tons of stuff I never bring that I thought was cool on shelves in the garage. 😂
I’ve been camping on my Honda accord. Nothing off road. Plain roads and still having fun. 😂
Loved the video. I am a weekend warrior. There is 100% looking cool vs real use. Its cool to see the differences in everyones goals and needs. The only thing i do have a need for you mentioned is fuel. It's not necessarily a need but very convenient. It may make the diffference from fishing a stream and hitting a new rural road on a limited time weekend vs adding an hour to my journey to hit a station to refuel. Super good video. Its all about learning what you actually need and the journey.
I know it's not related to overland gear, but:
3 key points I recommend to all new off roaders:
1. Google: How to save offline google maps on your phone. That way when signal is lost, you can still navigate the trail via GPS. TIP: Don't try to do a new search while offline, you will lose your current route and can only see your current position without route guidance.
2. Do youtube research on the area you are planning. That way you know what to expect and if your vehicle is up to the challenge. Weather does play a big role in the trail conditions but at least you have a good idea what to expect.
Most of the time, traction boards will get you through mild changes on the trail.
3. Don't go alone if you have the option to go with others.
No this is absolutely perfect!!!! Exactly the type of content we're trying to have down here. Tips like this can go way further than a piece of gear in so many situations! Thanks for sharing this 🙏🙏
I was thinking of installing OME 2.5 lift kit and today I decided to save $2,500 and cancel the “up grade”
My 1997 Land Cruiser series 80 awesome as is! After watching this amazing video I feel so much relief that I decided to stay with my stock suspension system! Plus my wife is totally happy to not have my Toyota lifted! She doesn’t like the look of any vehicles that are lifted!
Anyways thanks for sharing this great video! I am old school outdoor camper by backpacking a lot in the 70s
Now I do a lot of vehicle camping less backpacking!
I also have a 1994 GMC Conversion Van that I live on most of the summer! It’s kind of interesting I paid $3,00
back in 2013 with only 85,000 miles on it! I vehicle camp and other capers are
mostly Sprinter Vans that
average around $150,000 I have just as much fun!
I have just as fun as them😅
Cheers and get out with whatever you have! Don’t listen to the noise that’s out there because of course they want your hard earned money! I am a young 69 and it’s incredibly insane now the
When I was in college, I would take my Crown Vic (yes, a land boat) to place where a lot of people with trucks wouldn't go. I did spend a lot of time digging myself out, but I have such a fun time that those memories will be with me forever. Now I'm s little older and have a 4wd truck, I found myself taking things quite a bit easier. Simple camping trips not too far off the road, still having a great time!
The coolest thing about this video, Broke Boys, is that the two of you enjoy not only off-roading with each other but also creating content together. Keep it up!
Hahahaha we appreciate it so much man! We've had so much fun making all these vids, and hope to keep going strong!
Great episode.
South African here. My wife and I go backwards and forwards accross the country and spend lots of time on’safari’ , ie in game reserves.
Africa has all sorts of roads…and we drive all sorts. We are however never more than 500km ( mostly less than 300km) from a town.
My VW Amarok pickup has no low range..never got stuck. I chose it for the permanent AWD that allows me to change road surfaces without having to do too much…It is always in some form of 4WD and super comfortable .we do not tackle hectic trails..the missus refuses..so no low range works for us…and our needs.😅
I Have aftermarket Seikel suspension fitted in the VW dealership and standard AT tyres…and thus have a compete warranty and also purchased a full maintenance plan from VW..I only pay for tyres until 7 years or 150000km are done….
I do have a dual battery system with inverter, drawer system that holds 6 ammo boxes in the Smartcap canopy as I just do not want to hop in and out at my age., 42 lt water tank as well as additional 45 lt fuel tank…my fridge is a 52 lt fridge/freezer which keeps us going for 10 days worth of food.
I carry a recovery kit, puncture repair kit and a small compressor and a credit card..…my maxxtrrxx are in my garage at home😂in the box they came in.
We never go anywhere without plenty of water and some food.
We now can pack for a 3 week trip in about 2 hrs after deciding..every ammo box is labelled and only the food ones need to be removed and. Filled.
I see the fully kitted rigs that are in exactly the same place that It am and lust after them, but ultimately am able to write this comment from Venice ,Italy as I did not blow the cash on gear that I (me and me only- no criticism of anyone) do not need😂 and am on holiday here for a change..😂😂😂
You guys hit the nail on the head!
Sometimes we just buy too much stuff….for our own specific needs….
Great channel