Shifting from 5th to 1st is just stupidity! You want to break your transmission? Go right ahead head! Remember TRUCKS are not race cars! This video is dumb when they tried to shift from 5th to 3rd.
He didn't push the shifter that hard. Going from 5th to 1st gear should have been nearly impossible. When I was an inexperienced manual driver I accidentally did that. I obviously backed off as soon as I realized but it wouldn't have been easy to push the shifter all the way into 1st gear at those speeds.
Yes I also did this when I was a teen in a Pontiac Vibe (Toyota Matrix clone built in same factory). I shift into first no problem with the clutch in, only when I start to release the clutch did I feel immense pressure and pushed right back in. I smell a rat in Tacoma
Go watch the latest TFL video where they talk about why the front diff broke. Basically the engineer said the front diff was pushed to a "mere" 1.7% over design spec. This means these trucks are not over engineered at all. Not even to a mere 1.7%. Can we please look into whether Toyota was bought in it's entirety by Tata motors or BYD motors?
its the same reason they had to de-tune the engine and take a few horsepower off for the manual in the first place... they are pushing everything to their maximum with inferior parts. Toyota has changed philosophies in the last few years and decided they can lose some reliability if they can increase their profits.
I saw that. The 1.7% limit breach and they have to software patch it to limit the scenario... I'm a software engineer, and we always were the "clowns" compared to professional engineers, but today the tables are turning. The car customers are being treated like Windows software customers. FYI - this mode of quality assurance sucks for the customer
I have driven several manual transmission vehicles. Going to substantially lower gears requires force and it makes a noise when doing so. Going from 5th to 1st in not likely a smooth gear change.
@@plainairbarnettsoutdoors Again, a fanboy tactic to excuse Toyota inferiority. Frontier is not going bang like this. Just admit, Toyota is not always king.
Let me translate Toyotas corporate speak. "Yes it's probably our fault but we built our reputation on reliability. So no we are not going to own up to it."
The guy driving even says, im going to rev it to 5k and then down shift to 3rd. He spiked the RPMs to 7k. The truck redlines at 5.5k. They blew the clutch up. END OF STORY. Toyota Corporate is trying REAL hard not say, "YOU ARE DUMB FUCK, WHY YOU BLOW OUR TRUCK UP."
Let’s say Toyota is right, it was an improperly executed shift from 5th to 1st: A) It still shouldn’t have blown up. I recall learning by to drive stick, my buddies and siblings learning. We committed the same crime countless times in clapped out sh!t boxes that kept on ticking. A brands new “Toyota” should handle that no problem. B) If we understand how a manual transmission works, we know the clutch would never come into play in this scenario in the first place. The transmission synchros would never mesh due to the range ins speed being too great, and so it never even made it into 1st gear, let alone clutch out while 1st was engaged. We heard the synchros grinding, and it certainly didn’t look like it ever popped into any gear. Something fishy indeed. Unfortunately an opportunity missed for Truck King to show another use for “Clutch Start Cancel”. When I lost the clutch on an old Chevy truck, I still drove it 30 miles home by starting the engine in gear. To Upshift I had to pull the shifter into neutral, wait for revs to fall while lightly applying shifter into next gear until it slotted in. For downshifting it required really precise rev matching. But point is you don’t even really need a clutch hahaha. But it’s not fun or fast.
Between this and TFLs front axle failure sounds like the truck was engineered by accountants. Engineered to be just good enough under normal driving conditions, with no extra robustness. How the mighty have fallen.
Toyota blaming the drivers, kind of like when Boeing blamed the pilots when the 737 max was falling out of the sky… sweet corporate line Toyota… soon these automotive journalists are going to get disappeared ☠️
@@Wellh0wrya you could say that with certainty if it involved all max 737s instead of 2. Strange how American pilots were able to handle the aircraft with the bad program.
@@TonkaFire2019 similarly Toyota is trying to blame the drivers for not selecting the proper road conditions and not engaging the manual transmission properly… u can see in the video the rpm only went to 4500… if he dropped it into first it would have been higher
FYI, I had a 2018 Tacoma TRD PRO. No issues. I sold it and bought a 2023 Tundra 1794 edition. It’s been a nice truck but the Tacoma was bullet proof. I see a lot of issues on TH-cam regarding the new Tacoma.
when did they get their reputation in the first place? Because the 3VZE in the late 80's, 90's Pickup and 4Runner was a complete trainwreck. So, when did all that happen?
Soooooo, the manual has 8 fewer horsepower and 7 fewer pound feet of torque because, as the engineer said, the manual couldn't handle the extra power. So basically, the manual is built at the absolute limit of what it can handle with barely any margin of extra strength for longevity sake. That doesn't sound like a good combo reliability or long term endurance.
Your wrong. What the designer said was they couldn’t account for people reviving the engine and dumping the clutch. I’m sure if you don’t drive like a maniac the transmission will be fine.
@@ronhamilton515I had a manual accord from 1987 that I beat the crap out of, and did clutch drops regularly, and never had a problem. there's no excuse for this
My friend at work bought the new Tundra with the twin turbo V6. Three weeks into ownership the engine blew and Toyota replaced it under warranty. Tundra, Tacoma both having serious malfunctions. Toyota, are you buying parts from the lowest bidders???
It's usually the clutch or the flywheel that gets damaged. Not the gear, as the damage doesn't continue further in. The clutch / flywheel junction takes most of the stress at that instance.
@@Take_America_Back my bet is the gear box is very robust. The failure here was in the clutch unit. Which makes sense given the clutch gets destroyed before the damage can continue further into the gears.
It more about the torque limitation (420nm) ~ 310ft-lbs it’s the same situation with the hilux diesel the manual version is limited at 420nm of torque.
Was thinking of getting a TRD Pro when they were initially teasing the 4th gens but after their full reveal and insane pricing, I think I’m going the Ranger Raptor route.
@@Jomonjijust a reminder ford recalled a bunch of the f150 for dropping from any gear into 1st gear I’ve heard over 50000 trucks where recalled not sure if rangers where affected
@@Dpharm597 GUANAJUATO - Toyota Motor de México has begun production in 2024 of the fourth generation of its iconic Tacoma pickup, a model that has been produced entirely in Mexico for almost 20 years.
It is not a Toyota of Japan product it is Toyota of North America which is a bunch of ex american engineers that fell into Toyota after the fall of the big 3. No one is making quality anything anymore. There is no money in making things to last. They need you in the shop paying for repairs to make money and they are using the market for r&d so the consumer pays and pays and pays.
Purchased a new 22 TRD 6 cyl OR with manual. Do off-road and pull a small utility style camper. Love the truck and the manual. NO Problems. Checked 24 TRD OR pricing from same dealer earlier today before commenting. I paid $38,500 (out the door) + tag & tax 2 years ago. Today's TRD OR manual price, without all the extras included in my truck, $52K (without tag & tax). No way would I want a 4 with a turbo attached. Keep It Simple. By the way, I downshift all the time.
That is such a BS from Toyota. Down shifting from 5th to 3rd is not uncommon, and I highly doubt your dad went from 5th to 1st gears will grind before they even engage In more than likely won't engage
@@TraceyAllen No... Toyota should have designed a manual transmission that can handle MORE than the power of the engine it's attached to. EPIC FAIL TOYOTA!!
@@TraceyAllen It is a fail, dropping the power by 7hp so the transmission doesnt brake? Sounds like a poorly engineered transmission, if 7hp makes that difference then there are bigger issues.
I am 56 I was taught on how to drive on a stick. I call BS on Toyota. I viewed the video and saw nothing wrong. RPMs went up to a normal number. If you slammed it into first RPMs would have red line immediately. Come on Toyota you are better than this. Bring back the V8 Tundra and V6 tacoma
no... not if the clutch granaded before the actual redline. Not like it was fully engaged and it didn't reach redline, IT BROKE before reaching redline, so it's still possible
@@jamesnunez1703I'm not buying it. He wasn't confident in his manual skills as he eluded to in the video. Do you want the nanny controls to prevent you from hurting yourself, or do you want to have the freedom to make expensive mistakes?
Mexico has fuck all to do with it. This is spreadsheet engineering. They made it cheaper. So they make more per truck. And that decision was made by some c suite jackwagon in the good ole USA. Corporations are fucking you. Not Mexicans or whatever other Boogeyman your Facebook is pushing.
The guy driving even says, im going to rev it to 5k and then down shift to 3rd. He spiked the RPMs to 7k. The truck redlines at 5.5k. They blew the clutch up. END OF STORY.
As someone who was a dealer tech for years i will tell you right now. We had obvious parts failures and the service department even after us telling them a part failed would find a way to blame it on the customer. 90% of the time that happened
This is becoming a nasty trend among many business in many different industries. They don’t want to pay anymore…they are doing everything possible to put things on the consumer. Not good.
@@andrewsnyder9262 It all starts with corruption in Washington DC. And inflation, making the dollar almost worthless. What happens in Washington DC, really affects the economy around the world. Which affects quality. Quality has been lacking with all products. We have technologies to make everyone wealth. The corrupt Elites are not going to be able to stop what is coming. Prosperity for all.
It looks like more poor quality control issues with the new Toyota trucks. So many transmission problems and drivetrain issues, I’m glad I bought my Frontier Pro4x.
@@spyder000069 that's a good idea. Go to Toyota dealership and test drive one and have cameras directly over the manual shifter to go from 5 to 3rd gear and see what happens
I'm saying that what they did had nothing to do with the failure of that truck. All the while Toyohtah blamed them. I know how rematch works. I use it in a Chevy.
@@erod6468 this guy doesn’t get it. Your exactly right the sudden speed increase flung the clutch apart. This is a missed shift all day long. I actually think Toyota was the one being polite. They should have just said, “Y’all are retarded goofs!”
@@erod6468 If you do a 5-1 downshift at 55 mph, the engine is going to overrev even if the clutch breaks due to said overrev. Go watch some videos of guys doing 5-1 "money shifts". I've witnessed someone doing a that exact kind of shift and it's violent. The clutch just doesn't go poof and the engine revs a little. The tires momentarily chirp as the backend tries to kick out, weight transfers forward onto the front wheels, the engine shoots past red line instantaneously, and a connecting rod breaks and punches a window in the side of your block. In fact, there's a legendary video of a kid in his moms Toyota Camry street racing against another car and does a money shift. The clutch was definitely destroyed, but he also left a 100 yard long trail of oil and engine parts behind him. Bizarre how this guy supposedly does the exact same thing but the engine doesn't even come close to red line, the truck's tires make no sound, and all that happens is a clutch disintegrates. Red line in first gear is barely over 20 mph. If you do a 5-1 shift and let the truck rev match at 55 mph, i don't care what you say, that engine is going to try to hit 10k RPM and the gear tires are going to make some noise, even if for only a fraction of a second. And you will absolutely window the block. That's why it's called a "money shift" because you destroy the engine, clutch, and probably the transmission too. We didn't see that here.
Blaming it on the dad here is almost worse than saying it’s a manufactured defect. So if you’re off a centimeter on a shift the transmission explodes, not even under warranty. How is someone supposed to teach their kids how to drive in this truck. I think I did that move 3 times the first time I drove my dad’s Hyundai when he makes me drive stick. Also it highlights that have to drive perfectly for the lifetime of the truck with no mistakes. This guy has been driving for probably 40+ years. No wonder why they don’t put paddle shifters as an option
The new Taco manual trans has been breaking -- causing lockout of 2, 4, and 6th gears. Auto transmissions have overheated on several reviews. Glass front diff on TFL's truck. Now glass clutch on TK's Taco. What in the world is Toyota doing?
Doesn’t sound good for the Taco. I know it isn’t a totally new model, but they always say don’t buy the first generation of a vehicle. Wait until the bugs are worked out.
I had a 2005 Taco with the 6 spd man that missed shifts all the time (all of my trucks prior to then were manuals) and the dealer basically tried to tell me that I just couldn't drive. I had to double clutch many times just to get the truck to go into gear. Toyota had a really sweet 5 spd for many years but the 6 spd was a real mess from the getgo.
Toyota sold themselves to the globalists period. Removing people’s wealth is the idea! Weakening the individual. Toyota leadership team should be fired… period. Lexus and Toyota are both compromised! So sad!
I love your channel, but this is sad. You never told your viewers about this? You genuinely influence where ppl spend their money, please be honest when these things happen. Toyota is in the DUMP. People should not buy them due to quality reasons, and it’s frightening to think they have people like you covering up there mistakes.
Pretty sad to see Toyota underbuilding things. I caught a lot of heat in my videos for this, this is not the only manual that has died. The rev match shows that it should not have destroyed the clutch. Thanks for being as honest as you can with this and actually releasing the video :). Toyota engineers have already been on camera saying they detuned the manual because the drivetrain couldn't handle the force of someone dropping the clutch if it wasn't detuned, I think we can read between the lines.
After thinking about it, I highly expect toyota added that "feature" to prevent the weak clutch from breaking. They call it a feature but really its a bandaid for a underrated design.
As someone who drives a manual every day "2008 F-150 5 speed manual" I go from 5th to 3rd all the time & the truck just finds 3rd, it has never even tried to go back to 1st, so I call BS on this. He did nothing wrong, the Toyota failed period. The Toyota broke & they're trying to blame their poor quality on someone.
The guy driving even says, im going to rev it to 5k and then down shift to 3rd. He spiked the RPMs to 7k. The truck redlines at 5.5k. They blew the clutch up. END OF STORY.
@@stoggy4839 rewatch the video during the time it happens. it spikes to 5.5 from 3k. never hit redline. these manuals were detuned so they didnt blow dumping the clutch they obviously are weak transmissions
I own a 3rd gen tacoma, i think its OKAY but i only got it for the reliability. I want 300k miles out of this truck. I like how basic it is. Since becoming an owner I’ve noticed that toyota fans are just a cult. Thats fine as long as Toyota gives their cult reliability. NOW their vehicles arent reliable and the cult cant admit it. The cult of toyota dick riders make me sick. Toyota will never change if youre a customer that lines up to be spoon feed shit. They act like its their fault when toyota sells them an overpriced and underengineered turd. These idiots are really paying 40-70k for a 4banger turd
If it was a money shift, the clutch failure saved the engine. Personally, I'm not going to second guess it. Mistakes happen. I've gone 5-2 instead of 5-4 on track before. I just didn't let up on the clutch. Went back to neutral and coasted the straight while my heart re-started. If that was not a car I drove every day for years, I may not have noticed that it didn't feel right in the .01 seconds before I re-engaged. I haven't driven it, but the rev matching feature looks horrible. I don't even want that in my track car. Part of the art and beauty of driving a manual is the ability to slightly vary rpm to create an "attitude" or "style" of shift that meets the immediate need. It's hard to explain as a not-auto-engineer, but the exact speeds match depends on whether you are going to accelerate, decelerate, or coast. The transmission and tires have some play that can absorb some of the excess energy in the flywheel (or wheels & body) - that preload is taken out when you disconnect the transmission under acceleration or deceleration. Very slight differences in the shift point can bring that preload back into the assembly as you re-engage with excessive slip. Maybe the computer can do that for you - but I feel like the people buying a manual transmission these days are the people who don't want it to. Can it predict the gear you will select? Better - can you deactivate the feature? Can you heal and toe the thing? I used to heal and toe my dad's 81 ram. I just had to wear proper truck driving boots - couldn't do it in OMP's or Simpsons. That thing was a riot with no power, no grip, a heavy truck with a massive flywheel, and a powerful clutch that activated in 1/2" of it's 12" motion range.
My 1999 Mustang GT with 260hp has had the clutch dumped every time I get in for fun for the past 25 years and 84k miles and one clutch plate later 8 years ago and I just dumped it again for fun! Toyota what a clown response just put 25 year old Mustang transmissions in for real reliability 😅
LMAO this is absolutely insane. My first manual was a 1985 Jetta. I raced and danced that clutch up and down like a maniac for years... Never failed. This Tacoma is 40 years newer and it's fragile like this????? They're out of their mind.
I still abuse the transmission on my 2-owner 1992 Ford Ranger STX 4x4 and as I approach 200k it's only had one clutch/ flywheel replacement. Toyota not designing a better manual to handle the higher output and behavior of this engine is a dismal failure.
TRD Jon's was a sensor/actuator issue on the grill shutter, and while that is a known issue even with Tundra's, I would not consider that "taking a shit." TFL's was a one off software/coding issue that nobody else experienced (afaik) and the traction control system sent 100% of the torque to 1 wheel while the traction control was trying to control that wheel. Toyota already has the logic change, applied it to the Trailhunter and TRD Pro, and last I heard Sheldon is working on applying it to the rest of the TRD OR's that have MTS.
You can't tell by watching the clip if the down shift was into 3rd or 1st. All I can say is, 1st and 3rd gear are really close on the gear shift. A little too much pressure to the left can easily give you 1st instead of 3rd. Also, my guess is the rev matching would make it easier to hit 1st by accident. Despite what is likely user error, Toyota has a problem. This type of error can easily happen, and the gear box/transmission should somehow prevent this shift.
@@Eastsidegeorgiaboy Toyota's will fail on purpose if the action exceeds a certain resistance. The reason is so no other part will fail. It protects the engine. It's a failsafe. There is no way you can know if it was first or third. All you can say for certain was that the tolerance was exceeded and the clutch failed. If it's a two gear downshift then tens of thousands of Toyota's should be failing (since the shift system is used in multiple vehicles in different countries).
if he tried to go into first, everyone would have flown towards the dash while metal parts would have littered the roadway. There was no "money shift" in this video, just Toyota desperately trying to shift the blame elsewhere.
@@Zorbino88 In the olden days the shifter would have kicked back hard if you tried to force it. These days manufactures build in failure points to save the vehicle and prevent dangerous situations like that.
That may have been driver error. The grinding was possibly due to the wrong gear being selected. Forcing 5th to 1st will damage any gearbox. Should of backed off the shift and left that in the video. Instead, force it killed it. Also, if people cannot do hill starts without the tech or riding the clutch they should not drive a manual.
@Boltdriver70 On my 6 spd subaru WRX you can't even put the car into 1st gear above 15 mph. Most car manufacturers have figured out that preventing money shifts is a good idea. Seems like poor design to me if that's what killed it.
@@jaredgates4310 I can't do that with my manual 13 mustang gt either toyota is lying their ass off. Plus the truck never went above 4500 rpm and it should handle that easily
And it would be super obvious if it went into first gear at 55 mph. That's 10k rpm at that speed. It would instantly throw a rod and make a new inspection port in the block. The rear tires would squeal and whip around due to the sudden change in wheel speed. The engine here to 4500 rpm. I think Toyota has a bad calibration for rev-matching downshifts and as a result it damaged the clutch. It really seems like Toyota chose to retain a driveline that's built to handle the power of the older engines, but the new engine makes a low more torque, so Toyota is trying to save money by limiting power to protect the undersized components instead of beefing things up. That's why the manual had to have the power-limited version of the engine and why the 4WD broke when TFL was testing it. It's possibly even why the transmission has been having overheating issues. They tried to do things on the cheap and the powertrain can't handle the additional power.
My subaru can't stop me from going from 5th to 1st and i don't want it to. He tried to jam it it about 6 times so each try is speeding up the transmission input shaft and thus the clutch disk. It never went into gear, but that doesn't mean the transmission input shaft and clutch disk wasn't speeding up with every try.
Apparently, the truck is made of glass. You can’t do much with it. Otherwise you’re gonna break it. Pretty much very unlike truck behavior not to mention the current tundra with its engine issues, Toyota has missed the mark with both of these trucks very disappointing, especially since the enormous MSRP price hike.
The only reason you bought the last gen was because of the sheer abuse it could handle, if a tacoma can't handle abuse it's not a toyota truck. Used 2023s are selling for the same price as the brand new ones
It's at least unusual that an experienced driver puts first gear instead of third. Besides the obvious, the lever moves up from the center to get third gear. It means that once in neutral, the lever is self-centered, and to get third, you only have to push it up. To get first, you must force the lever left and then up. Toyota knows the system is fragile. That's why they lowered the power output.
I have done this very thing on Mustangs Cameros and VWs. I have never NEVER had a clutch do that. Ford Chevy and VW are without exception poorer quality than Toyota, EXCEPT for this. This is 100% a Toyota problem.
Having owned a manual 4cyl 4x4 Tacoma, I can attest to the fact the transmission locked me out of first at high RPM. The answer is at the beginning, they dropped 8HP because the transmission is weak. I heard it from Toyota myself.
You are giving way too much credit to the 8hp. No way Toyota would put the transmission in a situation that 8hp is the determining factor of breaking or not. Those transmissions are built to handle more than the figures they give to the public. It's laughable that people believe this.
Lots of vehicles will lock out of 1st or it will be very difficult to move into 1st on older vehicles. I don't think this was a money shift. The rpms would've flew through the roof which they did not.
The fact the truck is tuned to have lower power is the biggest red flag imaginable. Makes me think it barely holding together. Tac says 3rd and no redline. Kinda think toyota is trying to salvage there reputation at the moment
@@myauctionaddictionestatesa7451 yeah. Just an example of the clue companies give when they know their transmissions are borderline for the application. Seems Toyota should have known better. Was this some old trans they HOPED eould hold up under bigger power?
I bought my 4Runner out of warranty, but anecdotally, I see a lot of people in the 4Runner groups that seem to have trouble with the dealers. For instance, these are super sensitive to wheel balance, and are prone to steering wheel shake. A lot of people are told by their dealers that it's normal.
TFL had the front dif locker break, manual can't handle 280hp? so if someone puts a CAI on it, the tranny might let go? and then this? i call BS on shifting into first from Toyota... it's hard to watch Toyota's downfall from a super reliable vehicle to one on the raggedy edge. seems like these new toy's are a future reliability nightmare.
Wow toyota Not taking responsibility for a Transmission issue and just blaming your dad as the customer downshifting wrong I call bull crap on thst your dad I doubt down shifted wrong 16:20
lol, Toyota blamed TFL for their Tacoma breaking, they claim that TFL had it in the wrong mode for the environment/conditions it was in, so they supposedly updated the software to adjust the torque delivery so that that it doesn’t happen again. I’ve never seen a company have such a hit on their hand, release a vehicle with terrible value like this.
The worst part of that interview with the Toyota guy is not once was the fact the Toyota doesn't even have a front locker. Yet despite the fact that the Chevy comes with a front locker and more torque I haven't seen any video of anyone breaking their front axle.
@@371kenny The bigger issue is that Toyota is cost cutting their trucks more and more. They moved axle production for the Tacoma from a Hino plant in the US to a Hino plant in Thailand for the 2016 model year and the differentials have been garbage. It wouldn't surprise me if they cost cut the clutch and other driveline components the same way. All while moving assembly to Mexico to save 97% of their labor costs and raising Tacoma prices by $10-20k. It's a joke
@@dawsongranger4940 You have to be doing something particularly ignorant to overheat the clutch in the transfer case of GM's 4WD. Like that idiot on youtube that tested a ZR2 a whille back and instead of using the front and rear selectable lockers like any normal off-roader, he wanted to show off how he could drag the brake with open diffs to mimic having a locked diff and the computer would disengage 4-low once he applied more than 50% brake. A 3rd or 4th gen Tacoma has zero risk of snapping an axle. The garbage Thai-made ring and pinion Toyota uses in those trucks are so fragile that every one of the thin little teeth on the ring gear will shear off well before the axle shaft comes close to snapping. The gear sets have been terrible ever since Toyota moved axle manufacturing out of the US.
Toyota only behaves nicely when its a celebrity or a youtube channel with followers. Regular customers i see online, toyota doesnt give a shit. Dealer and toyota treat normal customers really bad
So they blame you? I beat the living crap out of my 93 Chevy K1500 for 12 years, on and off road. Never once did I break the clutch or front diff. This Toyota is simply a cheap modern truck like all the rest and whoever would pay the ridiculous price for it is a schmuck.
Clutch start is the dumbest “feature” ever. This is what I believe happened to you as it’s happened to me in other vehicle make: I believe the reason why the clutch pedal is to the floor was because the shift fork bent. And slave cylinder over extended and remains in that position. The shift fork has a release bearing that contacts the pressure plate(PP) and the PP is the device that pushes back your clutch pedal. Since the fork is bent, the PP does return but can not push back and return the clutch pedal back up. The reason for the grind was because since the fork is bent, the pedal is to the floor, which means the slave cylinder is still fully extended and trying to transfer that energy to push the PP but was unsuccessful therefore synchros were grinding. Did Toyota show you pictures of the fork? Even if driver shifted into 1st at that speed, which I know he didn’t, you wouldn’t have a pedal to the floor issue, you would have engine issues. I can’t tell how fast you were going, but if under 50mph, you could have downshifted to 2nd gear safely. I also believe the auto rev software is a bad design. A lot of 1st gears have a max rpm of approximately 38mph
That’s strange. My 2012 jk 6 speed wouldn’t go into gear at all if tried to go from 5th to 1st. Maybe if I forced it, but I’m sure it would make way more noise than that Tacoma did.
There are just too many failures with the Tacoma right now. Transmissions overheating, front differentials breaking, etc. Seems like Toyota made an inferior vehicle and charged $10,000 more than the prior generation.
I've been driving manual transmissions my whole life, I don't believe for one minute that your dad shifted into 1st, that rear end would have locked right up and squealed the tires, and even if he did put it into 1st by accident, it broke way prematurely (that is one weak clutch). The RPM never even red lined before it broke. I don't know about these newer manuals with their fancy dancy rev matching bull crap, but all the manuals I have driven would be extremely difficult to go from 5th to 1st. The tire speed would just not allow it until the vehicle slows down quite a bit. I'm calling bull on Toyota, they know what the issue is, but they aren't saying. Toyota has been having nothing but trouble with these new trucks. I was going to buy this exact same truck, but the price tag was to buku, so I ended up getting a Honda Ridgeline Trailsport instead, and other than missing the manual transmission, I love the Ridgeline.
The clutch pedal was still depressed. The transmission spun the clutch disc faster than normal operating range when he selected 1st gear. The engine reving up whether to redline or not didn't matter because he had the clutch pedal down; clutch not engaged. You need to understand how everything works. The next thing to check since it "grind" really bad is the hub slider and dog teeth on first gear. Selecting 3rd will not grind like that from 5th gear because the gear spacing isn't that far off.
You likely exploded the clutch. You were at 2000rpm at 5th. Tacoma transmission had a ratio of .777 for 5th and 4.784 for 1st gear. That is an increase in multiplication of 6.15 when you go from 5th to 1st. Your clutch is at 2000rpm in 5th gear. As soon as you jam it into 1st gear, the clutch would be spinning at 2000rpm X 6.15 = 12,300 rpm!!!! And I do say you jammed it into first because you can hear the crunch as you went into gear. Even if the clutch pedal is down, once you are in gear, the input shaft is already spinning at 12,300rpm. There will be no jerks or over rev of the engine. You won't feel anything. Curious why the pedal went to the floor. Would have to look at the damage to see which parts failed. Likely the clutch plate is first to disintegrate. One other note is that the Tacoma transmission has an unusual large range compared to a passenger car. Great of off-road, but more likely to explode a clutch with mis-shifts.
@@xbryanthegreatx every manual vehicle I’ve ever driven will not allow a shift from 5th to 1st so if that is what happened then I still blame Toyota for lack of lockout
@@Jay-bw3fl I'm with you. You'd never even get close to dropping from 5th to 1st without at least some audible warning. I don't remember hearing anything that would warrant "Danger" while watching the video. Glad I didn't get a manual Toyota, and certainly wouldn't go around bragging now if I did.
I think its pretty clear rhey know they didnt miss the shift. They just dont want to lose their access to future Toyota products by standing their ground and arguing it was not user error.
Bull, daddy screwed the pouch and went from 5th gear down to 1st gear, you can hear the gears grinding trying to engage and the RPM's spiked, the only reason the RPM indicator did not go deep into the red is because the ECU was attempting to control the over revving.
@@mustangecoboosthpp3869I have to disagree. If he had selected first (you CANNOT select 1st at speed, trans locks you out), it would have locked up the rear tires as the engine began to over rev. Also, the ECU would have logged the gear (modern manuals know which gear you're in at all times, especially ones with rev matching). Toyota would have said "the logs show 1st gear was engaged and over rev to 8k rpm" or whatever rpm it hit. Toyota did not say that, they said the damage is in line with a large rpm change. Even if he did the money shift, and the clutch exploded before the rear wheels locked or the engine over revved, that means this clutch is far too weak for this off road truck application and will see early/often failures. ALL of that said, I do think TK should have shown the dash-looking-back camera view for the incident because you would be able to see where his arm goes during the shift. They used this view leading up to it and you can see him in 3rd, 4th, 5th.
@@mustangecoboosthpp3869my Jeep has a Toyota transmission and it locks me out of 2nd and 1st if it doesn’t like my speed. For instance when I was braking in my motor and manual, I’d down shift a lot and if I was 1 mph over what it wanted me to be at, I was locked out.
The guy driving even says, im going to rev it to 5k and then down shift to 3rd. He spiked the RPMs to 7k. The truck redlines at 5.5k. They blew the clutch up. END OF STORY. He didn't miss he doesn't know what the fuck he is doing.
Right? If they have a feature that suggests you may go from 5th to 3rd, or whatever gear to gear…you best have a mechanical stop in place to prevent this from occurring. The response from Toyota is a bit haughty.
If Dad had shifted from 5th to first the synchronizers would not let the shift to occur. The fastest the clutch can ever turn is at the speed of the engine's max. If the first gear shaft accelerator ha tried to spin the clutch up to speed the tranny's software would have prevented it and the shaft accelerate would have been incapable of that speed anyway. TOYOTA"S FAULT.
I watched the whole video and one thing is clear, instead of derating the engine to help the manual survive, they should have uprated the clutch to handle more power. It used to be Toyota used superior materials and Japanese manufacturing dedication, but sadly this has gone the way of the rest of the industry. Cut it close and build it cheap. If you pass those savings onto the customers, maybe ok. Not when you price gouge and dealer fee it to death.
Absolutely! The drivetrain should be able to handle ANY situation for at least a tire size 2 sizes TALLER. Not just stock tires. The Tacoma cannot even handle light conditions with stock tires.
@@alanmorrison3598 rev limiters will never stop an over-rev from a money shift. rev limiters are electronic cutoff, the mechanical connection between transmission and engine will force the motor past the rev limiter based on road speed and gear ratios. you have a point about the digital tach though. a digital gauge like that will always have some level of lag between actual rpm and displayed rpm
"User error" cannot be the culprit, because if your father would had done that over-rev Toyota said, it would had blown the engine to pieces, the infamous "money shift", and look, it was only the clutch. Fortunately it would be something cheaper to repair than rebuild or mount an automatic transmission.
Not necessarily, sounds like the clutch grenaded before it could make the shift and I'd be surprised if they would let the rev match blip go to redline. But they never said what actually broke after 3 months. It would be nice to know what the damage was and what the repair bill would be if it was a money shift.
Your dad clearly knows how to drive a manual. I have driven manuals for 25 years and I know that if I deliberately shift from 5th to 3rd, I can feel instantly if I accidentally throw it all the way over to 1st gear. Most people would. Shifting into the wrong gear almost always happens during intense driving where you're trying to bang through the gears as quickly as possible. Unintentionally going from the 5th to 1st doesn't happen when you are slowly and deliberately going from 5th to 3rd. You can feel when you go to far. There's a resistance in the shifter if you try to pull it over too far and into 1st at speed like this. My guess is that the rev-match feature is poorly tuned for skipping gears in a downshift and the engine didn't blip the gas enough. I would love to see the clutch froma 4th gen compared to the clutch from a 2nd or 3rd gen Taco. My guess is that like many of the other components in the 4th gen, some cost-cutting has been going on.
I'm not even mad about Toyota direction on these new generation vehicles. I'm disappointed they decided to take short cuts like everyone else. I will no longer buy Toyota especially with the new price points.
Fragile that, I have had many manual cars and missed many a shift and over revved many an engine and have never had any of them break. This is nonsense.
Toyota is shipping their chief Tacoma engineer Sheldon to Japan for recalibration and to train him on proper quality control methods … Toyota USA truck division needs to be sacked
20 years ago I knew a guy that had a ‘01 S Runner Tacoma. It had the TRD supercharger and exhaust. It was a sweet truck. It was still under warranty and he wanted to put a TRD clutch in it so he had the crazy idea to destroy the factory clutch and have it replaced under warranty and then just pay the cost difference in the upgrade to the TRD clutch. So we started driving like total idiots. Redline dumping the clutch in 5th gear. Riding around with the clutch half pressed, hard dropping with no rev matching non stop idiocy. I swear it took us a month to finally destroy that clutch and it never grenaded. We were able to drive it to the dealer slipping like hell the whole way. So I call bull on Toyota’s response to this. Oh and also the Southeast Toyota Regional warranty manager was pissed off about having to replace the clutch on a truck with less than 10k miles on it. He said there was no way this truck should need a new clutch. They did replace it under warranty though.
Clutch cancel has been out for 30+ years... I had a 1986 4 runner SR5 which meant 5 speed back then.. had clutch cancel. There was a button with no lettering and a small little light on the left side that no one knew what was for... on every truck even into 1st gen tacoma. Like wtf people.
@@NuclearT3acup exactly. Im starting to think people never realized that the incline anti-roll back was a thing, so now they get away with advertising it like it’s a new feature.
yup, I'm a delivery driver for UPS and they used to tell us, to keep from rolling backwards on a steep hill, mash the gas pedal to the floor until the poor little turbo diesel built up enough revs to kick in and then release the hand brake 😂
From the video, it doesn't look like Truck King Sr successfully engaged first gear. It makes sense that he could have damaged the syncros going from 5th to 1st, but how was the the clutch destroyed?
Second Tacoma blowing up on a TH-cam channel. This is NOT the same Toyota that I was driving throughout the 1980’s. Maybe they should abandon all that unneeded crap and just start building manuals like they did 30 years ago. If you can’t start from a hill or rev match yourself, maybe you should just drive an automatic.
The manual can’t handle the extra 8lbft of torque 😂 what a lame Taco, so glad I cancelled my TRD manual order after the TFL video. i remember my friends calling me crazy for buying a Bronco saying it was gonna be a lemon. Im at 70 000km of brutal driving, every weekend on the trails and 0 issues with my Badlands.
Right? An extra 8 lb is going to break the transmission? If the margin of error is that small, the transmission was not strong enough to begin with. What is this, the transmission from the GR86?
That struck me too. Seems like they designed it for picking up groceries. What else can’t it handle…. Cold air intake? Pulling a boat? Long stints over-landing? I wouldn’t trust anything where the engineers had to nerf the motor for it to work lol.
@@Pigsooie2k16with all these Toyota issues I wonder if Toyota is cutting the legs out from underneath their suppliers and forcing them to cut too much costs, resulting in quality issues. One question though: most modern manuals will lock you out of a gear if the revs are too high -- does this transmission not have this feature?
Toyota does use cost cutting measures like every other company. People just tend to ignore it for some reason like how they ran drum brakes in the rear and put a marketing spin on it that all the fanboys ate up but the real reason was saving money
@@Vultite I know that much. But a manufacturing companies reliability is directly tied to the component quality that the suppliers provide them. At some point, if you cut the prices too low, quality begins to suffer on the component side, that's just basic economics. I'm wondering if Toyota has squeezed their suppliers too much -- which may be the reason they mentioned in their last quarterly earnings that they're going to provide their suppliers capital to address issues they've been having (staffing, component issues, etc).
I think Toyota needs to spend more time making their vehicles correctly than paying companies to review it. TFL & you guys are sugar coating the fact that quality has left the building for Toyota
I highly doubt that man missed 3rd gear, these new Tacos will be a nightmare in a few years. Just wait until fan boys start "overlanding" with 35's or bigger tires.
Sheldon told TFL they don't want people putting bigger tires on it. And then said he knows people will. They built this truck cheap and charge more, so the shareholders are making money
I’m sorry to all the taco and Toyota fans out there but these trucks are clearly under built or cheaply built or a combination of both. This combined with the increase in prices, the lack of inventory, dealer arrogance, lack of discounts, etc. is just not great.
Here's the way I look at it guys,if it happened to you, it could happen with any of us attempting the same maneuver so I don't think the blame is on dad!!! And just for the record, I still drive a 2013 tacoma with the 4cyl. and a 5sp manual and I don't like the fact there is no longer a v6 option!
Don't be afraid to challenge Toyota. It's a cover up by Toyota. Just like their Tundra recall. You should have posted this back in March. You could have saved a lot of people's money and headaches. TFL immediately released their bad experience with the 2024 Tacoma off road. I'm very glad I didn't buy the Tundra or the Tacoma. I bought a 2023 Honda Ridgeline RTL HPD for 1000s less than the Tacoma. 38,500 to be exact 😊
If he had downshifted from 5th to 1st all 3 of you would have gotten whiplash. Toyota's lying their asses off to save face.
But that’s what he was trying to do. My question is why? (I drive a manual transmission Toyota and have for 38 years.)
So true
@@BigHouse907 no sir, he was down shifting from 5th to 3rd.
I agree with you. That is all that should have happened. Rapid RPM increase. Very dissapointed with Toyota.
Shifting from 5th to 1st is just stupidity! You want to break your transmission? Go right ahead head! Remember TRUCKS are not race cars! This video is dumb when they tried to shift from 5th to 3rd.
Looks like the Frontier is looking better and better.
Can’t break manual transmission if you don’t offer one! Smart Nissan!
@@ItsAlive111nobody who drives a lot really wants a manual transmission.
@@Commentleaver-c6xspeak for yourself
I have manuals. Dinosaurs. Especially offroading.
😂😂
He didn't push the shifter that hard. Going from 5th to 1st gear should have been nearly impossible. When I was an inexperienced manual driver I accidentally did that. I obviously backed off as soon as I realized but it wouldn't have been easy to push the shifter all the way into 1st gear at those speeds.
Yes I also did this when I was a teen in a Pontiac Vibe (Toyota Matrix clone built in same factory). I shift into first no problem with the clutch in, only when I start to release the clutch did I feel immense pressure and pushed right back in. I smell a rat in Tacoma
Go watch the latest TFL video where they talk about why the front diff broke. Basically the engineer said the front diff was pushed to a "mere" 1.7% over design spec. This means these trucks are not over engineered at all. Not even to a mere 1.7%. Can we please look into whether Toyota was bought in it's entirety by Tata motors or BYD motors?
its the same reason they had to de-tune the engine and take a few horsepower off for the manual in the first place... they are pushing everything to their maximum with inferior parts. Toyota has changed philosophies in the last few years and decided they can lose some reliability if they can increase their profits.
I saw that. The 1.7% limit breach and they have to software patch it to limit the scenario... I'm a software engineer, and we always were the "clowns" compared to professional engineers, but today the tables are turning. The car customers are being treated like Windows software customers. FYI - this mode of quality assurance sucks for the customer
R.I.P. Toyota. I'm glad I have a 2020.
O gawd, I just don't care about this truck at all anymore....
I have driven several manual transmission vehicles. Going to substantially lower gears requires force and it makes a noise when doing so. Going from 5th to 1st in not likely a smooth gear change.
The transmission should be designed to prevent or block out down shifts from 5th or any gear that could cause damage.
Cars 10 years ago had this, there is no way a 2024 doesn’t. I call bull
TFL and Truck King. Two broken Tacomas
As a Toyota guy this is painful to watch.
These trucks are under built.
@51AB lol real smart
Nissan Frontiers are not painful to watch. They are also made in USA, for less money.
Underbuilt in Mexico and overpriced. Go Toyota fans!
So are other manufacturers
@@plainairbarnettsoutdoors Again, a fanboy tactic to excuse Toyota inferiority. Frontier is not going bang like this. Just admit, Toyota is not always king.
TFL's new Tacoma had a failure in the front diff. Not a good sign to have multiple different failures.
Specially, in easier driving conditions!
It doesn't Smell like Clutch.. It's the smell of a Recall 😂
Toyota hates to do recalls and always wait until they have no choice at the expense of the consumer.
Let me translate Toyotas corporate speak. "Yes it's probably our fault but we built our reputation on reliability. So no we are not going to own up to it."
Anyone who thinks that you can shift a transmission from fifth gear to first and not damage it is an idiot and knows nothing about cars.
The guy driving even says, im going to rev it to 5k and then down shift to 3rd. He spiked the RPMs to 7k. The truck redlines at 5.5k.
They blew the clutch up. END OF STORY.
Toyota Corporate is trying REAL hard not say, "YOU ARE DUMB FUCK, WHY YOU BLOW OUR TRUCK UP."
Let’s say Toyota is right, it was an improperly executed shift from 5th to 1st:
A) It still shouldn’t have blown up. I recall learning by to drive stick, my buddies and siblings learning. We committed the same crime countless times in clapped out sh!t boxes that kept on ticking. A brands new “Toyota” should handle that no problem.
B) If we understand how a manual transmission works, we know the clutch would never come into play in this scenario in the first place. The transmission synchros would never mesh due to the range ins speed being too great, and so it never even made it into 1st gear, let alone clutch out while 1st was engaged. We heard the synchros grinding, and it certainly didn’t look like it ever popped into any gear.
Something fishy indeed.
Unfortunately an opportunity missed for Truck King to show another use for “Clutch Start Cancel”. When I lost the clutch on an old Chevy truck, I still drove it 30 miles home by starting the engine in gear. To Upshift I had to pull the shifter into neutral, wait for revs to fall while lightly applying shifter into next gear until it slotted in. For downshifting it required really precise rev matching.
But point is you don’t even really need a clutch hahaha. But it’s not fun or fast.
Toyota is a victim of democrat environmentalists who destroyed the muscle car and are forcing manufacturers to use smaller engines and lighter parts.
@@upshifter5316it wasn't a bad shift. He went into 3rd as the rpms only went up to 4500. The transmission is just garbage.
Between this and TFLs front axle failure sounds like the truck was engineered by accountants. Engineered to be just good enough under normal driving conditions, with no extra robustness. How the mighty have fallen.
Toyota blaming the drivers, kind of like when Boeing blamed the pilots when the 737 max was falling out of the sky… sweet corporate line Toyota… soon these automotive journalists are going to get disappeared ☠️
@@Wellh0wrya you could say that with certainty if it involved all max 737s instead of 2. Strange how American pilots were able to handle the aircraft with the bad program.
@@TonkaFire2019 fault was 100% on Boeing, not providing thorough training on a software that was created to cut costs and accommodate a design flaw
@@TonkaFire2019 similarly Toyota is trying to blame the drivers for not selecting the proper road conditions and not engaging the manual transmission properly… u can see in the video the rpm only went to 4500… if he dropped it into first it would have been higher
It was designed in usa not japan😅😅😅😅
Toyota 2024 is not the company its reputation was built on.
I wholeheartedly agree with you.
FYI, I had a 2018 Tacoma TRD PRO. No issues.
I sold it and bought a 2023 Tundra 1794 edition.
It’s been a nice truck but the Tacoma was bullet proof.
I see a lot of issues on TH-cam regarding the new Tacoma.
@@sikandershah9619 I just bought a 2018 TRD Pro a few months ago, maybe I bought your truck 😂
when did they get their reputation in the first place? Because the 3VZE in the late 80's, 90's Pickup and 4Runner was a complete trainwreck. So, when did all that happen?
the 4runner is, still 100% made in japan, but '25 is pos
Soooooo, the manual has 8 fewer horsepower and 7 fewer pound feet of torque because, as the engineer said, the manual couldn't handle the extra power. So basically, the manual is built at the absolute limit of what it can handle with barely any margin of extra strength for longevity sake. That doesn't sound like a good combo reliability or long term endurance.
Exactly what I was thinking. Things running on the edge are more prone to break.
Your wrong. What the designer said was they couldn’t account for people reviving the engine and dumping the clutch. I’m sure if you don’t drive like a maniac the transmission will be fine.
You can see the rpms only went to 4500 when he downshifted … Toyota is shooting themselvws in the foot
@@ronhamilton515I had a manual accord from 1987 that I beat the crap out of, and did clutch drops regularly, and never had a problem. there's no excuse for this
I agree with you 100%
My friend at work bought the new Tundra with the twin turbo V6. Three weeks into ownership the engine blew and Toyota replaced it under warranty. Tundra, Tacoma both having serious malfunctions. Toyota, are you buying parts from the lowest bidders???
It's the car market, reliability doesn't sell new cars, the car market is flooded and in trouble, and the epa and crash rating is killing the market
I get it, a lot of reviewers do not want to burn that bridge with Toyota and the future vehicles. So doing this is a plus to us consumers thanks!
The manual cant handle 280hp? That's pathetic.
It's usually the clutch or the flywheel that gets damaged. Not the gear, as the damage doesn't continue further in. The clutch / flywheel junction takes most of the stress at that instance.
agreed
@@Take_America_Back my bet is the gear box is very robust. The failure here was in the clutch unit. Which makes sense given the clutch gets destroyed before the damage can continue further into the gears.
The new turbo trucks have more torque at low RPM. It's a lot more torque at low RPM compared to the NA V6.
Having a weak transmission is not good.
It more about the torque limitation (420nm) ~ 310ft-lbs it’s the same situation with the hilux diesel the manual version is limited at 420nm of torque.
And just like that Toyota destroyed their reputation just to make some $$$
Was thinking of getting a TRD Pro when they were initially teasing the 4th gens but after their full reveal and insane pricing, I think I’m going the Ranger Raptor route.
@@Jomonjimore bang for your buck. Brother loves his.
And their new trucks are way over priced compared to almost everything else
And ugly as a butthole fence in a rainstorm!
@@Jomonjijust a reminder ford recalled a bunch of the f150 for dropping from any gear into 1st gear I’ve heard over 50000 trucks where recalled not sure if rangers where affected
Toyota of Japan needs to fire the US division yesterday…
But Japan signed off and worked with the US team.
The Japanese division just got caught cheating emissions standards, there might be more than one isolated incident
@@Dpharm597 GUANAJUATO - Toyota Motor de México has begun production in 2024 of the fourth generation of its iconic Tacoma pickup, a model that has been produced entirely in Mexico for almost 20 years.
Sadly their made in Mexico
It is not a Toyota of Japan product it is Toyota of North America which is a bunch of ex american engineers that fell into Toyota after the fall of the big 3. No one is making quality anything anymore. There is no money in making things to last. They need you in the shop paying for repairs to make money and they are using the market for r&d so the consumer pays and pays and pays.
Purchased a new 22 TRD 6 cyl OR with manual. Do off-road and pull a small utility style camper. Love the truck and the manual. NO Problems. Checked 24 TRD OR pricing from same dealer earlier today before commenting. I paid $38,500 (out the door) + tag & tax 2 years ago. Today's TRD OR manual price, without all the extras included in my truck, $52K (without tag & tax). No way would I want a 4 with a turbo attached. Keep It Simple. By the way, I downshift all the time.
That is such a BS from Toyota. Down shifting from 5th to 3rd is not uncommon, and I highly doubt your dad went from 5th to 1st gears will grind before they even engage In more than likely won't engage
Toyota is passing blame.
Absolutely
Toyota dropped the hp and torque ratings by 7 hp and 7ft lbs of torque to save the transmission ? Epic fail !!
No an epic fail would be the truck allowing 1st gear and gernading the engine instead of a relatively cheap part.
I noticed that too. Pretty scary if 7 hp is enough to endanger anything.
The idea that 7hp takes it from working to breaking is beyond imagination. The guy that said that should be fired.
@@TraceyAllen No...
Toyota should have designed a manual transmission that can handle MORE than the power of the engine it's attached to.
EPIC FAIL TOYOTA!!
@@TraceyAllen It is a fail, dropping the power by 7hp so the transmission doesnt brake? Sounds like a poorly engineered transmission, if 7hp makes that difference then there are bigger issues.
anyone else think the cholo gangbanger teardrop tattoo below the headlights are weird?
I am 56 I was taught on how to drive on a stick. I call BS on Toyota. I viewed the video and saw nothing wrong. RPMs went up to a normal number. If you slammed it into first RPMs would have red line immediately. Come on Toyota you are better than this. Bring back the V8 Tundra and V6 tacoma
You mean the infallible company that walks on water would possibly LIE?
...... with a proper manual....
no... not if the clutch granaded before the actual redline. Not like it was fully engaged and it didn't reach redline, IT BROKE before reaching redline, so it's still possible
@@jamesnunez1703I'm not buying it. He wasn't confident in his manual skills as he eluded to in the video. Do you want the nanny controls to prevent you from hurting yourself, or do you want to have the freedom to make expensive mistakes?
Yes. Totally agree.
One of the most overrated, overhyped, and over priced vehicles I’ve seen
1000%
They are total garbage!!
Bro all vehicles an trucks these days are way over priced it's crazy. Idk why they think a touch screen in a new ride makes it over 50k
lol. Maybe, you should take a look at Chevrolet and Ford. There prices are more reasonable.
Tacoma's over hyped ?!! Tacos are literally the gold standard, and unlike other manufacturers Toyota will fix these issues .
I am a Toyota fanboy but this is just plain sad to see… Your pops did nothing out of the ordinary. So 50K+ for this built in Mexico truck, nope sorry.
Not engineered in Mexico 🤡. It’s 💯 American engineered
Mexico has fuck all to do with it. This is spreadsheet engineering. They made it cheaper. So they make more per truck. And that decision was made by some c suite jackwagon in the good ole USA. Corporations are fucking you. Not Mexicans or whatever other Boogeyman your Facebook is pushing.
The guy driving even says, im going to rev it to 5k and then down shift to 3rd. He spiked the RPMs to 7k. The truck redlines at 5.5k.
They blew the clutch up. END OF STORY.
Everything is built like crud now. Clutch should've had no problem with that at all. These trucks are simply junk now, just like all others.
As someone who was a dealer tech for years i will tell you right now. We had obvious parts failures and the service department even after us telling them a part failed would find a way to blame it on the customer. 90% of the time that happened
This is becoming a nasty trend among many business in many different industries. They don’t want to pay anymore…they are doing everything possible to put things on the consumer. Not good.
@@andrewsnyder9262 It all starts with corruption in Washington DC. And inflation, making the dollar almost worthless. What happens in Washington DC, really affects the economy around the world. Which affects quality. Quality has been lacking with all products. We have technologies to make everyone wealth. The corrupt Elites are not going to be able to stop what is coming. Prosperity for all.
Man I sure dodged a bullet with this garbage.. in all my years of driving a manual I have Never downshift from 5th to first 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 nice try Toyota
It looks like more poor quality control issues with the new Toyota trucks. So many transmission problems and drivetrain issues, I’m glad I bought my Frontier Pro4x.
Frontier = 7,000 RPM!!! 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍
Only one way to find out. Repeat the test.
Without releasing the clutch.
everybody that can drive a manual should go test this 5th to 3rd downshift in a tacoma test drive
They should also hit redline in first to see what the max speed is in 1st
@@spyder000069 that's a good idea. Go to Toyota dealership and test drive one and have cameras directly over the manual shifter to go from 5 to 3rd gear and see what happens
The politeness of Canadians is near British. We all know that truck didn't even red line.
Of course it didn't. The shafts over spinning at that rate and resistance completely broke their clutch. Didn't even have time to redline. 🤦🏾♂️
I'm saying that what they did had nothing to do with the failure of that truck. All the while Toyohtah blamed them. I know how rematch works. I use it in a Chevy.
@@erod6468 this guy doesn’t get it. Your exactly right the sudden speed increase flung the clutch apart. This is a missed shift all day long. I actually think Toyota was the one being polite. They should have just said, “Y’all are retarded goofs!”
@@erod6468 If you do a 5-1 downshift at 55 mph, the engine is going to overrev even if the clutch breaks due to said overrev. Go watch some videos of guys doing 5-1 "money shifts". I've witnessed someone doing a that exact kind of shift and it's violent. The clutch just doesn't go poof and the engine revs a little. The tires momentarily chirp as the backend tries to kick out, weight transfers forward onto the front wheels, the engine shoots past red line instantaneously, and a connecting rod breaks and punches a window in the side of your block. In fact, there's a legendary video of a kid in his moms Toyota Camry street racing against another car and does a money shift. The clutch was definitely destroyed, but he also left a 100 yard long trail of oil and engine parts behind him. Bizarre how this guy supposedly does the exact same thing but the engine doesn't even come close to red line, the truck's tires make no sound, and all that happens is a clutch disintegrates. Red line in first gear is barely over 20 mph. If you do a 5-1 shift and let the truck rev match at 55 mph, i don't care what you say, that engine is going to try to hit 10k RPM and the gear tires are going to make some noise, even if for only a fraction of a second. And you will absolutely window the block. That's why it's called a "money shift" because you destroy the engine, clutch, and probably the transmission too. We didn't see that here.
@@erod6468you can hear the clutch screaming! OLD GUY HIT THE WRONG GEAR w
Blaming it on the dad here is almost worse than saying it’s a manufactured defect. So if you’re off a centimeter on a shift the transmission explodes, not even under warranty. How is someone supposed to teach their kids how to drive in this truck. I think I did that move 3 times the first time I drove my dad’s Hyundai when he makes me drive stick. Also it highlights that have to drive perfectly for the lifetime of the truck with no mistakes. This guy has been driving for probably 40+ years. No wonder why they don’t put paddle shifters as an option
Wow, I can't believe the manufacturer is trying to weasel their way out of this by blaming the customer for something that obviously didn't happen.
Toyota has destroyed their brand.
The new Taco manual trans has been breaking -- causing lockout of 2, 4, and 6th gears. Auto transmissions have overheated on several reviews. Glass front diff on TFL's truck. Now glass clutch on TK's Taco. What in the world is Toyota doing?
Doesn’t sound good for the Taco. I know it isn’t a totally new model, but they always say don’t buy the first generation of a vehicle. Wait until the bugs are worked out.
If I'm Toyota, I'm taking a LONG look at Long Beach which makes a bunch of Tacoma components.
I had a 2005 Taco with the 6 spd man that missed shifts all the time (all of my trucks prior to then were manuals) and the dealer basically tried to tell me that I just couldn't drive. I had to double clutch many times just to get the truck to go into gear. Toyota had a really sweet 5 spd for many years but the 6 spd was a real mess from the getgo.
But Tim at pick up truck plus said the taco auto trans is designed to overheat
Toyota sold themselves to the globalists period. Removing people’s wealth is the idea! Weakening the individual. Toyota leadership team should be fired… period. Lexus and Toyota are both compromised! So sad!
I love your channel, but this is sad. You never told your viewers about this? You genuinely influence where ppl spend their money, please be honest when these things happen.
Toyota is in the DUMP. People should not buy them due to quality reasons, and it’s frightening to think they have people like you covering up there mistakes.
Pretty sad to see Toyota underbuilding things. I caught a lot of heat in my videos for this, this is not the only manual that has died. The rev match shows that it should not have destroyed the clutch. Thanks for being as honest as you can with this and actually releasing the video :).
Toyota engineers have already been on camera saying they detuned the manual because the drivetrain couldn't handle the force of someone dropping the clutch if it wasn't detuned, I think we can read between the lines.
Yep. Windshield camera would also prove, but we will have to settle for the clutch pedal on the floor & their denial to gain enough breadcrumbs.
After thinking about it, I highly expect toyota added that "feature" to prevent the weak clutch from breaking. They call it a feature but really its a bandaid for a underrated design.
As someone who drives a manual every day "2008 F-150 5 speed manual" I go from 5th to 3rd all the time & the truck just finds 3rd, it has never even tried to go back to 1st, so I call BS on this. He did nothing wrong, the Toyota failed period.
The Toyota broke & they're trying to blame their poor quality on someone.
Imagine naming this truck of the year when you didn't even drive it... oh wait.
The guy driving even says, im going to rev it to 5k and then down shift to 3rd. He spiked the RPMs to 7k. The truck redlines at 5.5k.
They blew the clutch up. END OF STORY.
@@stoggy4839 rewatch the video during the time it happens. it spikes to 5.5 from 3k. never hit redline. these manuals were detuned so they didnt blow dumping the clutch they obviously are weak transmissions
As if made in USA is any better. Remember, it's Toyota USA that designed this hunk of junk.
@@jamesfreeman7954 American cars are trash now, and so is Toyota. So that's a strawman, pointless comment.
Where the f did you get 7k rpm?? 😂 The thing didn't even make it close to 6k🤡🤡 END OF STORY @@stoggy4839
For crying out loud, now they even F'd up a manual gearbox with too many features. Who needs all that chit anyway ?
Government regulations are in force on all auto companies everything nowadays is for better fuel efficiency
Yep. The simpler, the less chit to break
Between this and TFL, Toyotas COPE game is strong!
I own a 3rd gen tacoma, i think its OKAY but i only got it for the reliability. I want 300k miles out of this truck. I like how basic it is. Since becoming an owner I’ve noticed that toyota fans are just a cult. Thats fine as long as Toyota gives their cult reliability. NOW their vehicles arent reliable and the cult cant admit it. The cult of toyota dick riders make me sick. Toyota will never change if youre a customer that lines up to be spoon feed shit. They act like its their fault when toyota sells them an overpriced and underengineered turd. These idiots are really paying 40-70k for a 4banger turd
If it was a money shift, the clutch failure saved the engine. Personally, I'm not going to second guess it. Mistakes happen. I've gone 5-2 instead of 5-4 on track before. I just didn't let up on the clutch. Went back to neutral and coasted the straight while my heart re-started. If that was not a car I drove every day for years, I may not have noticed that it didn't feel right in the .01 seconds before I re-engaged.
I haven't driven it, but the rev matching feature looks horrible. I don't even want that in my track car.
Part of the art and beauty of driving a manual is the ability to slightly vary rpm to create an "attitude" or "style" of shift that meets the immediate need. It's hard to explain as a not-auto-engineer, but the exact speeds match depends on whether you are going to accelerate, decelerate, or coast. The transmission and tires have some play that can absorb some of the excess energy in the flywheel (or wheels & body) - that preload is taken out when you disconnect the transmission under acceleration or deceleration. Very slight differences in the shift point can bring that preload back into the assembly as you re-engage with excessive slip. Maybe the computer can do that for you - but I feel like the people buying a manual transmission these days are the people who don't want it to.
Can it predict the gear you will select? Better - can you deactivate the feature?
Can you heal and toe the thing? I used to heal and toe my dad's 81 ram. I just had to wear proper truck driving boots - couldn't do it in OMP's or Simpsons. That thing was a riot with no power, no grip, a heavy truck with a massive flywheel, and a powerful clutch that activated in 1/2" of it's 12" motion range.
My 1999 Mustang GT with 260hp has had the clutch dumped every time I get in for fun for the past 25 years and 84k miles and one clutch plate later 8 years ago and I just dumped it again for fun! Toyota what a clown response just put 25 year old Mustang transmissions in for real reliability 😅
LMAO this is absolutely insane.
My first manual was a 1985 Jetta. I raced and danced that clutch up and down like a maniac for years... Never failed. This Tacoma is 40 years newer and it's fragile like this?????
They're out of their mind.
That transmission is garbage. In the Hilux the 2.8L diesel has only 310 lb-ft with the manual, 369 with the automatic.
I still abuse the transmission on my 2-owner 1992 Ford Ranger STX 4x4 and as I approach 200k it's only had one clutch/ flywheel replacement. Toyota not designing a better manual to handle the higher output and behavior of this engine is a dismal failure.
made in china quality
This guy, TFL and TRD Jon , all 3 of there 4th gen tacomas took a shit 😂
Truth will set you free
TRD Jon's was a sensor/actuator issue on the grill shutter, and while that is a known issue even with Tundra's, I would not consider that "taking a shit." TFL's was a one off software/coding issue that nobody else experienced (afaik) and the traction control system sent 100% of the torque to 1 wheel while the traction control was trying to control that wheel. Toyota already has the logic change, applied it to the Trailhunter and TRD Pro, and last I heard Sheldon is working on applying it to the rest of the TRD OR's that have MTS.
and now Icon, thats 4 out of 4!
Truck King said a lot without saying much. Thanks for staying honest.
You can't tell by watching the clip if the down shift was into 3rd or 1st. All I can say is, 1st and 3rd gear are really close on the gear shift. A little too much pressure to the left can easily give you 1st instead of 3rd. Also, my guess is the rev matching would make it easier to hit 1st by accident. Despite what is likely user error, Toyota has a problem. This type of error can easily happen, and the gear box/transmission should somehow prevent this shift.
You can tell he didn't go into first. The rpms didn't go through the roof. Looks like the rpms only hit about 4500. The transmission is garbage.
@@Eastsidegeorgiaboy Toyota's will fail on purpose if the action exceeds a certain resistance. The reason is so no other part will fail. It protects the engine. It's a failsafe. There is no way you can know if it was first or third. All you can say for certain was that the tolerance was exceeded and the clutch failed. If it's a two gear downshift then tens of thousands of Toyota's should be failing (since the shift system is used in multiple vehicles in different countries).
if he tried to go into first, everyone would have flown towards the dash while metal parts would have littered the roadway. There was no "money shift" in this video, just Toyota desperately trying to shift the blame elsewhere.
@@Zorbino88 In the olden days the shifter would have kicked back hard if you tried to force it. These days manufactures build in failure points to save the vehicle and prevent dangerous situations like that.
That may have been driver error. The grinding was possibly due to the wrong gear being selected. Forcing 5th to 1st will damage any gearbox. Should of backed off the shift and left that in the video. Instead, force it killed it. Also, if people cannot do hill starts without the tech or riding the clutch they should not drive a manual.
Damn, two Tacomas breaking during reviews and the new Tundra engine being known for failure, wtf Toyota?
Oh what a new feeling.
Toyota has been on a downhill slide since the 90s
Most modern manual transmissions won't allow you to put the transmission into first gear above a particular speed. This sounds like BS.
Exactly what I said
@Boltdriver70 On my 6 spd subaru WRX you can't even put the car into 1st gear above 15 mph. Most car manufacturers have figured out that preventing money shifts is a good idea. Seems like poor design to me if that's what killed it.
@@jaredgates4310 I can't do that with my manual 13 mustang gt either toyota is lying their ass off. Plus the truck never went above 4500 rpm and it should handle that easily
And it would be super obvious if it went into first gear at 55 mph. That's 10k rpm at that speed. It would instantly throw a rod and make a new inspection port in the block. The rear tires would squeal and whip around due to the sudden change in wheel speed. The engine here to 4500 rpm. I think Toyota has a bad calibration for rev-matching downshifts and as a result it damaged the clutch. It really seems like Toyota chose to retain a driveline that's built to handle the power of the older engines, but the new engine makes a low more torque, so Toyota is trying to save money by limiting power to protect the undersized components instead of beefing things up. That's why the manual had to have the power-limited version of the engine and why the 4WD broke when TFL was testing it. It's possibly even why the transmission has been having overheating issues. They tried to do things on the cheap and the powertrain can't handle the additional power.
My subaru can't stop me from going from 5th to 1st and i don't want it to. He tried to jam it it about 6 times so each try is speeding up the transmission input shaft and thus the clutch disk. It never went into gear, but that doesn't mean the transmission input shaft and clutch disk wasn't speeding up with every try.
Apparently, the truck is made of glass. You can’t do much with it. Otherwise you’re gonna break it. Pretty much very unlike truck behavior not to mention the current tundra with its engine issues, Toyota has missed the mark with both of these trucks very disappointing, especially since the enormous MSRP price hike.
The only reason you bought the last gen was because of the sheer abuse it could handle, if a tacoma can't handle abuse it's not a toyota truck. Used 2023s are selling for the same price as the brand new ones
It's at least unusual that an experienced driver puts first gear instead of third. Besides the obvious, the lever moves up from the center to get third gear. It means that once in neutral, the lever is self-centered, and to get third, you only have to push it up. To get first, you must force the lever left and then up. Toyota knows the system is fragile. That's why they lowered the power output.
I have done this very thing on Mustangs Cameros and VWs. I have never NEVER had a clutch do that. Ford Chevy and VW are without exception poorer quality than Toyota, EXCEPT for this. This is 100% a Toyota problem.
Having owned a manual 4cyl 4x4 Tacoma, I can attest to the fact the transmission locked me out of first at high RPM. The answer is at the beginning, they dropped 8HP because the transmission is weak. I heard it from Toyota myself.
The Hilux 2.8L diesel has only 310 lb-ft with the manual, 369 with the automatic.
Agreed. I own a 2018 TRD Sport 6MT and it locks me out of 1st gear if the RPMs aren't right.
@@halcyon_studiomy jeep (2021 MT) will scream (ie start beeping) at me if it thinks I'm going to downshift when the rpms are too high.
You are giving way too much credit to the 8hp. No way Toyota would put the transmission in a situation that 8hp is the determining factor of breaking or not. Those transmissions are built to handle more than the figures they give to the public. It's laughable that people believe this.
Lots of vehicles will lock out of 1st or it will be very difficult to move into 1st on older vehicles. I don't think this was a money shift. The rpms would've flew through the roof which they did not.
The fact the truck is tuned to have lower power is the biggest red flag imaginable. Makes me think it barely holding together. Tac says 3rd and no redline. Kinda think toyota is trying to salvage there reputation at the moment
Remember the earlier Ram diesels that were detuned for the automatics? Those transmissions were notorious for failure. Dodge knew.
@@jeanclaude7018 To be sure, but that was Ram. And thankfully they finally have real transmissions starting 2019.
Hey, even redlining shouldn't destroy a clutch just like that
@@tomposti6361 absolute not.
@@myauctionaddictionestatesa7451 yeah. Just an example of the clue companies give when they know their transmissions are borderline for the application. Seems Toyota should have known better. Was this some old trans they HOPED eould hold up under bigger power?
And when regular people's trucks start falling apart, is Toyota going to blame them too?
Yeap, I was wondering what they would tell us regular normies and if they would cover the repairs or make us pay.
Yes! Yes they will
I bought my 4Runner out of warranty, but anecdotally, I see a lot of people in the 4Runner groups that seem to have trouble with the dealers. For instance, these are super sensitive to wheel balance, and are prone to steering wheel shake. A lot of people are told by their dealers that it's normal.
TFL had the front dif locker break, manual can't handle 280hp? so if someone puts a CAI on it, the tranny might let go? and then this? i call BS on shifting into first from Toyota... it's hard to watch Toyota's downfall from a super reliable vehicle to one on the raggedy edge. seems like these new toy's are a future reliability nightmare.
Wow toyota Not taking responsibility for a Transmission issue and just blaming your dad as the customer downshifting wrong I call bull crap on thst your dad I doubt down shifted wrong 16:20
lol, Toyota blamed TFL for their Tacoma breaking, they claim that TFL had it in the wrong mode for the environment/conditions it was in, so they supposedly updated the software to adjust the torque delivery so that that it doesn’t happen again.
I’ve never seen a company have such a hit on their hand, release a vehicle with terrible value like this.
How about get rid of all the software bullshit and just make components out of steel that doesn't snap going over a pebble.
The worst part of that interview with the Toyota guy is not once was the fact the Toyota doesn't even have a front locker. Yet despite the fact that the Chevy comes with a front locker and more torque I haven't seen any video of anyone breaking their front axle.
@@djjd3027 The chevys clutch based 4wd system will overheat and turn off well before getting anywheres near snapping an axle
@@371kenny The bigger issue is that Toyota is cost cutting their trucks more and more. They moved axle production for the Tacoma from a Hino plant in the US to a Hino plant in Thailand for the 2016 model year and the differentials have been garbage. It wouldn't surprise me if they cost cut the clutch and other driveline components the same way. All while moving assembly to Mexico to save 97% of their labor costs and raising Tacoma prices by $10-20k. It's a joke
@@dawsongranger4940 You have to be doing something particularly ignorant to overheat the clutch in the transfer case of GM's 4WD. Like that idiot on youtube that tested a ZR2 a whille back and instead of using the front and rear selectable lockers like any normal off-roader, he wanted to show off how he could drag the brake with open diffs to mimic having a locked diff and the computer would disengage 4-low once he applied more than 50% brake.
A 3rd or 4th gen Tacoma has zero risk of snapping an axle. The garbage Thai-made ring and pinion Toyota uses in those trucks are so fragile that every one of the thin little teeth on the ring gear will shear off well before the axle shaft comes close to snapping. The gear sets have been terrible ever since Toyota moved axle manufacturing out of the US.
Regardless of what happened, I really appreciate you waiting for Toyota’s feedback instead of chasing clicks.
Great to see your integrity.
Not sure they feel that way now.
Toyota only behaves nicely when its a celebrity or a youtube channel with followers. Regular customers i see online, toyota doesnt give a shit. Dealer and toyota treat normal customers really bad
I think waiting is BS. TH-camrs are just trying to preserve their relationship with Toyota.
@@donjon1733 agreed
they are just afraid Toyota will blacklist them and keep them out of the loop on future product releases.
So they blame you? I beat the living crap out of my 93 Chevy K1500 for 12 years, on and off road. Never once did I break the clutch or front diff. This Toyota is simply a cheap modern truck like all the rest and whoever would pay the ridiculous price for it is a schmuck.
Clutch start is the dumbest “feature” ever.
This is what I believe happened to you as it’s happened to me in other vehicle make:
I believe the reason why the clutch pedal is to the floor was because the shift fork bent. And slave cylinder over extended and remains in that position. The shift fork has a release bearing that contacts the pressure plate(PP) and the PP is the device that pushes back your clutch pedal. Since the fork is bent, the PP does return but can not push back and return the clutch pedal back up. The reason for the grind was because since the fork is bent, the pedal is to the floor, which means the slave cylinder is still fully extended and trying to transfer that energy to push the PP but was unsuccessful therefore synchros were grinding.
Did Toyota show you pictures of the fork? Even if driver shifted into 1st at that speed, which I know he didn’t, you wouldn’t have a pedal to the floor issue, you would have engine issues.
I can’t tell how fast you were going, but if under 50mph, you could have downshifted to 2nd gear safely.
I also believe the auto rev software is a bad design. A lot of 1st gears have a max rpm of approximately 38mph
That’s strange. My 2012 jk 6 speed wouldn’t go into gear at all if tried to go from 5th to 1st. Maybe if I forced it, but I’m sure it would make way more noise than that Tacoma did.
There are just too many failures with the Tacoma right now. Transmissions overheating, front differentials breaking, etc. Seems like Toyota made an inferior vehicle and charged $10,000 more than the prior generation.
Toyota going cheap just like everyone else. So you pay more and it breaks just like everyone else ..I will continue not buying.
I've been driving manual transmissions my whole life, I don't believe for one minute that your dad shifted into 1st, that rear end would have locked right up and squealed the tires, and even if he did put it into 1st by accident, it broke way prematurely (that is one weak clutch). The RPM never even red lined before it broke. I don't know about these newer manuals with their fancy dancy rev matching bull crap, but all the manuals I have driven would be extremely difficult to go from 5th to 1st. The tire speed would just not allow it until the vehicle slows down quite a bit. I'm calling bull on Toyota, they know what the issue is, but they aren't saying. Toyota has been having nothing but trouble with these new trucks. I was going to buy this exact same truck, but the price tag was to buku, so I ended up getting a Honda Ridgeline Trailsport instead, and other than missing the manual transmission, I love the Ridgeline.
100% exactly my experience as well. that clutch is made of glass or something. toyota better step it up.
You are right. Plus it would have been a bitch to even get it to sync to first gear.
Honda Ridgeline Trailsport sweet!
Good Move!
The clutch pedal was still depressed. The transmission spun the clutch disc faster than normal operating range when he selected 1st gear. The engine reving up whether to redline or not didn't matter because he had the clutch pedal down; clutch not engaged.
You need to understand how everything works.
The next thing to check since it "grind" really bad is the hub slider and dog teeth on first gear. Selecting 3rd will not grind like that from 5th gear because the gear spacing isn't that far off.
I agree with you. I am saying they know if they forced that thing into first from 5th. Would feel nothing like 5 to 3.
My 2016 VW won’t even let me engage into first at speed. Why isn’t there a lockout feature until slow enough on this newer Toyota ?
You likely exploded the clutch.
You were at 2000rpm at 5th. Tacoma transmission had a ratio of .777 for 5th and 4.784 for 1st gear. That is an increase in multiplication of 6.15 when you go from 5th to 1st.
Your clutch is at 2000rpm in 5th gear. As soon as you jam it into 1st gear, the clutch would be spinning at 2000rpm X 6.15 = 12,300 rpm!!!! And I do say you jammed it into first because you can hear the crunch as you went into gear. Even if the clutch pedal is down, once you are in gear, the input shaft is already spinning at 12,300rpm. There will be no jerks or over rev of the engine. You won't feel anything.
Curious why the pedal went to the floor. Would have to look at the damage to see which parts failed. Likely the clutch plate is first to disintegrate.
One other note is that the Tacoma transmission has an unusual large range compared to a passenger car. Great of off-road, but more likely to explode a clutch with mis-shifts.
One missed shift and your clutch is toast? No thanks. Anyone who drives a manual can tell you missed shifts happen and this is unacceptable.
Get in whatever it is you drive. Get it up to speed in 5th. Jam it in 1st. I’ll wait…..
so you saying it Truck King mistake not toyota...
@@xbryanthegreatx every manual vehicle I’ve ever driven will not allow a shift from 5th to 1st so if that is what happened then I still blame Toyota for lack of lockout
@@Jay-bw3fl I can’t speak to this 4th gen but 3rd gen only have reverse lockout.
@@Jay-bw3fl I'm with you. You'd never even get close to dropping from 5th to 1st without at least some audible warning. I don't remember hearing anything that would warrant "Danger" while watching the video. Glad I didn't get a manual Toyota, and certainly wouldn't go around bragging now if I did.
I think its pretty clear rhey know they didnt miss the shift. They just dont want to lose their access to future Toyota products by standing their ground and arguing it was not user error.
Yep
Bull, daddy screwed the pouch and went from 5th gear down to 1st gear, you can hear the gears grinding trying to engage and the RPM's spiked, the only reason the RPM indicator did not go deep into the red is because the ECU was attempting to control the over revving.
@@mustangecoboosthpp3869I have to disagree. If he had selected first (you CANNOT select 1st at speed, trans locks you out), it would have locked up the rear tires as the engine began to over rev. Also, the ECU would have logged the gear (modern manuals know which gear you're in at all times, especially ones with rev matching). Toyota would have said "the logs show 1st gear was engaged and over rev to 8k rpm" or whatever rpm it hit. Toyota did not say that, they said the damage is in line with a large rpm change. Even if he did the money shift, and the clutch exploded before the rear wheels locked or the engine over revved, that means this clutch is far too weak for this off road truck application and will see early/often failures. ALL of that said, I do think TK should have shown the dash-looking-back camera view for the incident because you would be able to see where his arm goes during the shift. They used this view leading up to it and you can see him in 3rd, 4th, 5th.
@@mustangecoboosthpp3869my Jeep has a Toyota transmission and it locks me out of 2nd and 1st if it doesn’t like my speed. For instance when I was braking in my motor and manual, I’d down shift a lot and if I was 1 mph over what it wanted me to be at, I was locked out.
The guy driving even says, im going to rev it to 5k and then down shift to 3rd. He spiked the RPMs to 7k. The truck redlines at 5.5k.
They blew the clutch up. END OF STORY.
He didn't miss he doesn't know what the fuck he is doing.
My question is..."if your dad did do something incorrect. I blame Toyota for not putting better quality parts inside to handle something like that."
That’s not a question.
A 5th to 1st downshift can destroy any trans or engine. But it's not clear if that's actually the case here.
Do you even drive a manual transmission???? If so, money shift the thing to the moon and tells us how it goes.
Right? If they have a feature that suggests you may go from 5th to 3rd, or whatever gear to gear…you best have a mechanical stop in place to prevent this from occurring. The response from Toyota is a bit haughty.
I have owned 3 modern manual transmission vehicles. None of them would allow me to shift into 1st gear once I had exceeded the operational rpm/mph.
so user error
If Dad had shifted from 5th to first the synchronizers would not let the shift to occur. The fastest the clutch can ever turn is at the speed of the engine's max. If the first gear shaft accelerator ha tried to spin the clutch up to speed the tranny's software would have prevented it and the shaft accelerate would have been incapable of that speed anyway. TOYOTA"S FAULT.
Based on the rpm reading it was third gear and not first sad to see a company like toyota trying to hide poor quality with such non sensé excuses
Yep, they're lying to deflect blame.
Yea only went to 4500 rpm
Also, at least to me, it doesn't look like he succeeded in engaging either 1st or 3rd gear. We need a more thorough explanation from Toyota.
Well, time will tell if future owners experience the same problems.
I think that’s BS that Toyota is laying the blame on you guys!
I watched the whole video and one thing is clear, instead of derating the engine to help the manual survive, they should have uprated the clutch to handle more power. It used to be Toyota used superior materials and Japanese manufacturing dedication, but sadly this has gone the way of the rest of the industry. Cut it close and build it cheap. If you pass those savings onto the customers, maybe ok. Not when you price gouge and dealer fee it to death.
Absolutely! The drivetrain should be able to handle ANY situation for at least a tire size 2 sizes TALLER. Not just stock tires. The Tacoma cannot even handle light conditions with stock tires.
Hey guys the clutch failed due to over-revving. The tach might not be able to keep up with the instantaneous engine speed..Where was the rev-limiter?
@@alanmorrison3598 rev limiters will never stop an over-rev from a money shift. rev limiters are electronic cutoff, the mechanical connection between transmission and engine will force the motor past the rev limiter based on road speed and gear ratios. you have a point about the digital tach though. a digital gauge like that will always have some level of lag between actual rpm and displayed rpm
Remember that time you named the Tacoma truck of the year without even reviewing it?
Toyota cheque didn’t clear.
Can't find the original video...strange only posted months later
They can’t and don’t account for reliability. How can they? They base it off of new features, comfort, economy, etc.
They said they waited until Toyota send reason for failure.@@ant208
Fanboyism runs strong
"User error" cannot be the culprit, because if your father would had done that over-rev Toyota said, it would had blown the engine to pieces, the infamous "money shift", and look, it was only the clutch. Fortunately it would be something cheaper to repair than rebuild or mount an automatic transmission.
I’ve never heard of a money shift breaking a clutch and no damage anywhere else.
It would have red lined if you went from 5th to 1st! They are lying
Even if it didn't show on the dash for some reason, the ecu should have recorded the over-rev event.
Not necessarily, sounds like the clutch grenaded before it could make the shift and I'd be surprised if they would let the rev match blip go to redline.
But they never said what actually broke after 3 months. It would be nice to know what the damage was and what the repair bill would be if it was a money shift.
It's not going to redline if it fails to complete the shift or if the transmission grenades while going into gear.
It didn't even go into gear. The rev-up was the auto rev-match anticipating the 5-3 shift.
*LITERALLY at **12:35** "it redlined you there"*
I suppose it's not a coincidence that TFL and TK release videos with explanations of failures within 30 minutes of each other.
Nope it is not. It is showing there are some issues that need to be ironed out.
Russian collusion
Sheldon being exported to Japan and taking a vow of silence and quality control training
Toyota embargo on breakage info lifting at the same time.
And 5 months after it happened, while thousands of customers are buying it not knowing the truth.
Your dad clearly knows how to drive a manual. I have driven manuals for 25 years and I know that if I deliberately shift from 5th to 3rd, I can feel instantly if I accidentally throw it all the way over to 1st gear. Most people would. Shifting into the wrong gear almost always happens during intense driving where you're trying to bang through the gears as quickly as possible. Unintentionally going from the 5th to 1st doesn't happen when you are slowly and deliberately going from 5th to 3rd. You can feel when you go to far. There's a resistance in the shifter if you try to pull it over too far and into 1st at speed like this. My guess is that the rev-match feature is poorly tuned for skipping gears in a downshift and the engine didn't blip the gas enough. I would love to see the clutch froma 4th gen compared to the clutch from a 2nd or 3rd gen Taco. My guess is that like many of the other components in the 4th gen, some cost-cutting has been going on.
He did a burnout
I'm not even mad about Toyota direction on these new generation vehicles. I'm disappointed they decided to take short cuts like everyone else. I will no longer buy Toyota especially with the new price points.
Fragile that, I have had many manual cars and missed many a shift and over revved many an engine and have never had any of them break. This is nonsense.
The tires should be the weakest point. Burned rubber marks on the pavement and after a giggle or laugh you keep on driving.
Toyota is shipping their chief Tacoma engineer Sheldon to Japan for recalibration and to train him on proper quality control methods … Toyota USA truck division needs to be sacked
Mexico 😂😂
They are made in Mexico not the USA
Stupid Chicken Tax. Give me a 2025 JDM Toyota pickup! Currently, there's no guaco in the taco.
20 years ago I knew a guy that had a ‘01 S Runner Tacoma. It had the TRD supercharger and exhaust. It was a sweet truck. It was still under warranty and he wanted to put a TRD clutch in it so he had the crazy idea to destroy the factory clutch and have it replaced under warranty and then just pay the cost difference in the upgrade to the TRD clutch. So we started driving like total idiots. Redline dumping the clutch in 5th gear. Riding around with the clutch half pressed, hard dropping with no rev matching non stop idiocy. I swear it took us a month to finally destroy that clutch and it never grenaded. We were able to drive it to the dealer slipping like hell the whole way. So I call bull on Toyota’s response to this. Oh and also the Southeast Toyota Regional warranty manager was pissed off about having to replace the clutch on a truck with less than 10k miles on it. He said there was no way this truck should need a new clutch. They did replace it under warranty though.
That’s called being an asshole.
Clutch cancel has been out for 30+ years... I had a 1986 4 runner SR5 which meant 5 speed back then.. had clutch cancel. There was a button with no lettering and a small little light on the left side that no one knew what was for... on every truck even into 1st gen tacoma. Like wtf people.
Love that a button to hold you from rolling is revolutionary, before we just had a hand brake.
😂
My 11 year old dodge diesel holds the brake down for you on an incline. They're acting like its super special.
@@NuclearT3acup exactly.
Im starting to think people never realized that the incline anti-roll back was a thing, so now they get away with advertising it like it’s a new feature.
yup, I'm a delivery driver for UPS and they used to tell us, to keep from rolling backwards on a steep hill, mash the gas pedal to the floor until the poor little turbo diesel built up enough revs to kick in and then release the hand brake 😂
I don't believe that, your dad DID NOT shift into 1st gear.
Toyota is lying.
Rpm only went to 4500 in the video …
From the video, it doesn't look like Truck King Sr successfully engaged first gear. It makes sense that he could have damaged the syncros going from 5th to 1st, but how was the the clutch destroyed?
I'm a Toyota fan but their response is 100% bullshit
@@FerrisBuellerYT So your a fan of bullshit huh? Is that fun?
@@petebusch9069 My comment is that Toyota's response is bullshit.
Second Tacoma blowing up on a TH-cam channel.
This is NOT the same Toyota that I was driving throughout the 1980’s.
Maybe they should abandon all that unneeded crap and just start building manuals like they did 30 years ago. If you can’t start from a hill or rev match yourself, maybe you should just drive an automatic.
The manual can’t handle the extra 8lbft of torque 😂 what a lame Taco, so glad I cancelled my TRD manual order after the TFL video. i remember my friends calling me crazy for buying a Bronco saying it was gonna be a lemon. Im at 70 000km of brutal driving, every weekend on the trails and 0 issues with my Badlands.
Early Broncos had a lot of issues. Good to hear that Ford has mostly sorted that out.
Right? An extra 8 lb is going to break the transmission? If the margin of error is that small, the transmission was not strong enough to begin with. What is this, the transmission from the GR86?
We got fords marketing team in here 😂
@drivewayhero what's wrong you butthurt a toyota product is a pos?
Junk. A good clutch from 5th to 3rd would've skidded the rear tires a bit not just grenaded itself
I mean 5th to 1st
Wait. They made a manual that can't handle 280hp ?
I was kind of thinking the same thing. Lower the HP and torque so you can run the manual transmission at the edge.
That struck me too. Seems like they designed it for picking up groceries. What else can’t it handle…. Cold air intake? Pulling a boat? Long stints over-landing? I wouldn’t trust anything where the engineers had to nerf the motor for it to work lol.
@@Pigsooie2k16with all these Toyota issues I wonder if Toyota is cutting the legs out from underneath their suppliers and forcing them to cut too much costs, resulting in quality issues.
One question though: most modern manuals will lock you out of a gear if the revs are too high -- does this transmission not have this feature?
Toyota does use cost cutting measures like every other company. People just tend to ignore it for some reason like how they ran drum brakes in the rear and put a marketing spin on it that all the fanboys ate up but the real reason was saving money
@@Vultite I know that much. But a manufacturing companies reliability is directly tied to the component quality that the suppliers provide them. At some point, if you cut the prices too low, quality begins to suffer on the component side, that's just basic economics. I'm wondering if Toyota has squeezed their suppliers too much -- which may be the reason they mentioned in their last quarterly earnings that they're going to provide their suppliers capital to address issues they've been having (staffing, component issues, etc).
I think Toyota needs to spend more time making their vehicles correctly than paying companies to review it.
TFL & you guys are sugar coating the fact that quality has left the building for Toyota
I highly doubt that man missed 3rd gear, these new Tacos will be a nightmare in a few years.
Just wait until fan boys start "overlanding" with 35's or bigger tires.
Sheldon told TFL they don't want people putting bigger tires on it. And then said he knows people will. They built this truck cheap and charge more, so the shareholders are making money
“Overlanding” - the millennial word for “Car Camping”
I’m sorry to all the taco and Toyota fans out there but these trucks are clearly under built or cheaply built or a combination of both. This combined with the increase in prices, the lack of inventory, dealer arrogance, lack of discounts, etc. is just not great.
Here's the way I look at it guys,if it happened to you, it could happen with any of us attempting the same maneuver so I don't think the blame is on dad!!! And just for the record, I still drive a 2013 tacoma with the 4cyl. and a 5sp manual and I don't like the fact there is no longer a v6 option!
Don't be afraid to challenge Toyota.
It's a cover up by Toyota. Just like their Tundra recall.
You should have posted this back in March. You could have saved a lot of people's money and headaches.
TFL immediately released their bad experience with the 2024 Tacoma off road.
I'm very glad I didn't buy the Tundra or the Tacoma.
I bought a 2023 Honda Ridgeline RTL HPD for 1000s less than the Tacoma.
38,500 to be exact 😊
That’s still way too much for a midsize truck, but that’s the truck world we’re in